1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up? Good morning to you Dan Patrick Show, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. iHeart Radio AMP Serious Sex M two seventeen, 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: two oh three. How do I know? I'm Doug Gotlib. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: You can hear the Doug Gotlib Show three to six eastern, 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: twelve three Pacific, same Serious Sex M channels, most of 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: the same Fox Sports radiohiliates he's Rob Parker. You can 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: hear Rob on the The Odd Couple nightly seven to 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: ten eastern, four to seven Pacific time with our good 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: friend Chris Broussard. You can't. You couldn't book Brissard today, 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: or he's doing TV today, so he's ob mostly TV 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's me and you's all good book brisarrdy. 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: It's okay. Yeah, Like your relationship is freed. All that 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: yelling against each other. Your relationship is fraid. We've been 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: yelling for twenty five years of no Christ since nineteen 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: ninety two. Is that crazy? It is crazy, that is. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: But think about how long ago to me and you 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: tried out at I tried out with you at ESPN 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: back that was two thousand and two thousand in four. Okay, 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand and four. Yeah, I 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: think because I started well, let's see here, I started 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: working at at ESPN uh in two thousand and three, right, yeah, um, 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: And it was shortly after the NBA Draft, which was 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: Lebron James and Chris pop Bosh and dark O Melissection whatever. 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: So I started working. I was doing a show called 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: Game Night, which was it was it six hours, six hours, 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: four nights a week with Chuck Wilson. And then Chuck's 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: contract wasn't renewed, like he was like the longest tenure 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: guy at ESPN Radio, and and we were searching for 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: a co host, and um, Rob Park comes into, like, 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: you'll love Rob. He's he loves hoop. He's the Detroit guy. 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: He he's you'll you'll love him. And Rob's takes at 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: the time were hot. They were hot. They were they 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: were a little hot for ESPN Radio. Yeah, it weren't 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: think and then and you came in, Hey, listen, if 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna come in as a fastball pitcher, throw your 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: fastball right, like, don't do this, don't do this. Um, 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: what's the closer for the Yankees who gave up the 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: home run to uh? All those shots. Yeah, if you're 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: all the chapman like you know, an throw a breaking pitch, 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: change up three hundred and three, throw one hundred and three. 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: You were throwing one hundred and three anyway, then you 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: left us, then you end up getting a better gig 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: doing doing television. But you had you had your run 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: ins at ESPN with I'm I'm guessing with the it 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: used to be building four when we were there, right, 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: Remember like only only went to the principal's office one 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: time and my I was there for eight years, Doug. 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: So even with my hot takes, even with doing live television, 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: as you know, you know, I mean, there's always a 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: chance you're gonna be uh caught up in something, and 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: uh for me, it was only one time I really 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: stayed away from that. I kind of knew where the 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: boundaries were and all that. And think's happened. You know 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: that you worked at CBS, you you've had your situations 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: as well. Sure it just happens, okay, So but I 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: do think that like what happened to you is a 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: little bit there's there's at least a little bit of 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: what what's happened? What's happening here, and what's happened recently 60 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: with you know, like cancel culture and and what you 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: said about RG three at the time, and and I 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: also think it was how your teammates and I've experienced this, right, 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: like if everybody at right right, if everybody reacts to you, 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: if if they react to you like you just you 65 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: just took a dump live on National TV, and it's 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: smelling out the entire set, well then that's gonna that's 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna hurt because then everybody else like, well, that wasn't planned, 68 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: No one knew that was that was coming. So Rachel Nichols, 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: this was not on live TV. Um. It was a 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: recorded conversation with a guy who's an advisor to Lebron James. 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting parts to it, but basically, 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: and again, Rob, you tell me if I'm if I'm 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: paraphrasing incorrectly here. She was like, look, I have no 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: problem with with Maria Taylor or anybody get an opportunity. 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: Just that's my opportunity, it's my position, it's in my contract, 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: and she's only getting the shot because she's black. I'm saying, 77 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: that's that's what Rachel Nichols essentially said, correct, Yes, Okay, 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: as a black journalist. When you hear that, what do 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: you think the absolute worst thing that she could say? 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: It cut me so deep, the notion, Doug, she's fine 81 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: if Rachel says, and I know Rachel for a long 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: time when she was at the Washington Post. You know, 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: we've all a lot of us have all come up together, 84 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: right in the newspaper business. I'm talking about the Mike 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: will Bonds, the David Aldridge, Chris Bussard, stephen A. Smith, 86 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: he was a commist at the Philadelphia Inquired, I could 87 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: go on, and Michael Smith was at the Boston Globe. 88 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: All of us, I've all come through the same ranks. 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: So I know Rachel from that standpoint. But if she's okay, 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: if she says, you know, this was the job that 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: they promised me, and I don't think Michelle. I don't 92 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: think Maria Taylor's as good as me. I can buy that, 93 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: you can say that. But when she throws in that 94 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: the only reason she's getting the job is because it's 95 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: a diversity higher and because she's black. That's what I 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: take exception to, I really do. And that's where a 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: lot of you know, I mean, would it be right 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to say that Rachel. The only reason Rachel's got her 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: job is because her mother in law is Diane Sawyer. 100 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: Is that fair? Or is it because she's talented and 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: she put in the work and she worked in a 102 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: newspaper and covered the NBA and all the other stuff 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: that she's done. To be little Maria Taylor is just 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: some sort of diversity higher It is ridiculous, especially and 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: you know this dog that NBA show was hosted by 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Frasier and Stuart Scott and uh, I've just forgot 107 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: her Beatle Beatle Sage Steele, Sage Steele. So so black 108 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: people have hosted this show, right, is there? ESPN didn't 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: oh it to put a black person in that chair 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: when I'm naming eight people who have already done it 111 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: and a lot of them have been black. Well, well, okay, 112 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: but if we also contextualize the time right in which 113 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: all this took place, right we're talking about and part 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: of the conversation was there was Black Lives Matter, there 115 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: was the Me Too movement, and there was there and 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: even Adam Silver's response to it yesterday talked about how 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: there was a bit of a reckoning going on, like 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: I actually don't think I actually, like, let's let's be 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: honest here, like her being black did help her candidacy, 120 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: the fact that I resent that, you don't think I 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: totally think it did that. Do you think that? Let 122 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: me ask you, do you think being white has helped 123 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: you in this business? No, yes, it has. No, there's 124 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of mediocre white people, white guys, women who 125 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: are working who are very average in mediocre. I didn't 126 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm not fat that and very mediocre, and it's not 127 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: the case. But wait, you don't think there's there's people 128 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: that are mediocre that are black, only mediocre white. I 129 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: didn't say that. I didn't say that. But my point 130 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: is this notion that black people only only minority high 131 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: I didn't say that. That wasn't what I said. That 132 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: wasn't what I said. One you didn't let me said 133 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: it helped her. It didn't. It didn't hurt. It didn't 134 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: hurt that she she played basketball. That didn't. That didn't 135 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: hurt either. That didn't hurt that. That didn't hurt either. Okay, 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: by the way, none of us hurt her candidacy. These 137 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: are these are all like these are all like boxes 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: that that that are checked. She checked a lot of boxes. 139 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: She's also very attractive. It's also good on air. Like 140 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: all of these things are accurate, None of them are 141 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: are accurate. I mean, look, part of it is that 142 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Rachel Rachel's just obviously super territorial. There's other parts to 143 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: it where and you're right, like we all have reasons 144 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: we get into the job. If you ask me, Hi 145 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: playing basketball help me get my job, I would say absolutely. 146 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I had no shot to get any opportunities had I 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: not played basketball and been somewhat of a name coming 148 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: out of college. Zero. Okay, we all whatever you can 149 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: use to get in that position. But then once you 150 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: get that opportunity, you actually have to be good. And 151 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: she's actually been good, Like that's being black ever hurt people? 152 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: Doug Um, I would say, in the past, I don't 153 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: think that. I don't think the time is now. No, no, 154 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: but but I'm asking you. But like, because this whole 155 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: notion that if you're black, you're golden and you got 156 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: we still don't have there's no black Damn Patrick or 157 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd or black man who's ever held a national 158 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: radio show of that prominence. Talking about Stephen A. Smith 159 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: has got an opportunity after opportunity. No, I'm not that's 160 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: not accurate. No, no, Arrico has had has had had 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: a national radio show. So I'm talking about of that caliber. No, 162 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: no one hasn't. They've had shows. I'm not saying that 163 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: they've never had a show. Okay. So I'm talking about 164 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: of that of that stature, of that caliber, and the 165 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: same thing you could talk about. Wait wait, wait, hold on, 166 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, slow, slow down. I'm just I 167 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: want to I want to make sure I understand what 168 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you're saying. Ron Parker Doug gottlieb uh here on the 169 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show of Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so you 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: you believe that there's there's still a glass ceiling for 171 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: black people on television. I still believe that it ain't 172 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: as easy as people make it out to be. It's 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: an incredibly just because it's getting jobs. That's the that's 174 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: what people are putting out there. It's not that that 175 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: is not true. It's an incredibly difficult profession to break into, 176 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: to elevate two regardless of of skin color. Okay, but 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna tell me that we have 178 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: there's not enough diversity in sports television, I would tell 179 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: you there's that you don't really have that strong an argument. 180 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: You just don't. Um, you just don't. I mean, there's 181 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: there's a litany of reasons why. But i mean, like, look, 182 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: ESPN's morning show on right now has two black hosts, 183 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: okay and then Zubamhente, right, so they have there are 184 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: no white people on that show. So you can tell 185 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: me that there haven't been opportunities. And again I'm not 186 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: saying that. I'm not saying Maria Taylor only got the 187 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: job because she's like, no, that's not what I'm saying. 188 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying that in the in the long laundry list 189 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: of things that are taken into account when you're running 190 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: a corporation is you want somebody who one can do 191 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: the job, okay, two knows a thing or two about sports. 192 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Three that particular job, you don't actually have to know 193 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: that much about about basketball. You have to be able 194 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: to generate a conversation, right. You also have to look good, 195 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: but you also have to understand how to do the reads, 196 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: get in and out of breaks, handle breaking news, handle interviews. 197 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things that kind of go 198 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: to it. And if you if I would agree with you, 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Maria's better than than than uh uh than Rachel in 200 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: terms of being a studio host. Rachel's better as an 201 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: long form interviewer. That like they have, they have different things. 202 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to sit here and deny the 203 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: fact that part of the reason that she got the 204 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: job is when she was an athlete. Two, that she's young, three, 205 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: that she's attractive, four, that she's black. Five that she's 206 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: become a name because the stuff that she's done with 207 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: college game Bay like, all of these are factors. Worked 208 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: hard in the thing, but a lot of people worked hard. 209 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: But that's not what Rachel Nichols mentioned. She didn't mention anything. 210 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you. Listen, that's I'm not disagreeing 211 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: with that. Okay, I'm not disagreeing with you and I 212 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: And it does become demeaning if you say the only reason, 213 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: but it's it's absolutely just part of part of the package. 214 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: When it's delivered to an executive and they say, like 215 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: will this work? Right, it's absolutely part of it, you 216 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: know so. But but like here here's the issue though, 217 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: because of what Rachel said, I just don't know how 218 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: you I don't know how you put that genie back 219 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: in the bottle. I agree, it's a tough it's a 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: tough pill L swallow, and I don't know how it's 221 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: gonna work, especially and what a ESPN. The other thing too, 222 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: is uh the other was it Kendrick Perkins and uh 223 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: Richard Jefferson. Yeah, like like them commenting on that whole 224 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: thing was just very awkward. I just have no idea, 225 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, well, she well, Rachel 226 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: even really apart she never said the words I'm sorry, right, 227 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: just I'm sorry I was wrong for like I think, 228 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of I don't know who leaked 229 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: it to the media. I think that's pretty evil. I 230 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: can't imagine being Rachel knowing this hangs over my head. 231 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: But also ESPN had to know that this audio was 232 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: out there, and they really didn't handle it, and then 233 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they have to handle it right 234 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: before the NBA Finals. That that's that's not a good 235 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: look either, right, that that's just right. That should have 236 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: been handled way before that so that you don't have 237 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: to a pull her off the NBA Finals coverage and 238 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: be uh, you know, cancel the show that you know 239 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: that broadcast twenty minutes before they were going on the air. 240 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: I mean, which which which, Well, it signifies most likely 241 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: that those other guys are on the show. Were like, 242 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going on this show, right, I'm not, you know, 243 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going on this show. I don't. 244 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: I'm not getting looped in with that. That that's what happens, 245 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, And what's I think fascinating about it is 246 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Rachel was all about the movement and the cause until 247 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: all at least and publicly right well, and until it 248 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: affects her life, right until it affects her life, and 249 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: it's like, nah, listen, I'm all for she said. She 250 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: even said like I'm all for diverse hires, just like 251 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: not here, like wait, what what do you? Right? Right? 252 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: What do you It's a it's a it's a bad 253 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: it's a bad SoundBite. It's a bad it really is. 254 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that people will look at and 255 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to to uh, to to forget, you know 256 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: what I mean that that that that's what she you know, 257 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: like outwardly tweeting and putting out all this other stuff 258 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: right like oh yeah, I'm down with this. This is 259 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: good change and an equal opportunity for everybody. Oh what what? What? 260 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: What not? Oh my I'm not getting the job I wanted. 261 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not trying to have that, if you know, 262 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if what what? What? What her response 263 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: would have been had it been a white female who 264 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: got the job at ESPN instead of her, would she 265 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: have used that it was because she was female or 266 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: because she was white? Like what would I think she excused? 267 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: I think she would have gone the other the other 268 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: thing that women say about other women who get elevated, 269 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: Please tell me what is that? Okay, So, so since 270 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: this is an unnamed person, there's this is this, We're 271 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: not We're just I'm just They would say she slapped 272 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: her way to the top, or it's only because she 273 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: got her boobs done or because of her you know, 274 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: or because some some executive is right, like women are 275 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: guys are caddy too in our industry too right. Guys 276 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: will say maybe not to this level of stuff, but 277 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: they will say things which are uh, which are you know, 278 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: are are mean or untrue, or talk trash about a 279 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: dude who got elevated, like I can't believe you got that. 280 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: I don't think as much so I do have a 281 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: logic behind why I think guys are less catti than 282 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: women in sports media. Can I can? I? Can I 283 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: give it to you? Please throw it out there. It's 284 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: not coming out of my mouth. Let me hear no, no, 285 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: no no. I think that one of the reason women 286 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: feel so pressured to protect there wherever their little fiefdom is, 287 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: is because you'll only see one on a broadcast, usually right, 288 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: or maybe one as a sideline sideline reporter. You know 289 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: that you'll you'll only see you won't see two. Like 290 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: when I was at when I was at CBS, my 291 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: first year, Jay Williams contract was up. And this is 292 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,239 Speaker 1: previous to me knowing that Jay Williams wrote some unflattering 293 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: things about me in his book, like I had. I 294 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: thought I had a good relationship with Jay, and Jay 295 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: was like he did okay, wow and um. But I 296 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: didn't know it at the time, and so I'd work 297 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: with him and I was like, oh, you want to 298 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: come work here? Cool? I went, I talked to our boss, 299 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: I talked to the other bosses, and I was like, 300 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: he and I would be great together. Like I've I've 301 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: never cared if somebody else bring bring them, bring them 302 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: all in the sandbox and if you're any good, you'll survive. 303 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: That's you know, white black air. Otherwise, don't care. You're 304 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: really good at at TV and radio, You'll be really 305 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: good at TV and radio. And there's plenty of room 306 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: for everybody. I really believe that. But I do think 307 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that women can get really caddy is, 308 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: let's be honest, there's only one on every set, and 309 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: so they're they're fighting for a very small piece of land. 310 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: And that's I truly believe that, and so they're judged 311 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: much more harshly by each other, let alone judge very 312 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: harshly by the viewing critic. Right, who's the woman? Does 313 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: she know what she's talking about? It's like, like Doris is. 314 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't think people understand how much of a breakthrough 315 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: talent Doris Burke is. She's not just a woman calling 316 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: NBA games and widely regarded as one of the better 317 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: ones calling it. She also didn't play or coach in 318 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: the NBA, which has always been a ceiling that we 319 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: couldn't Guys that didn't play in the NBA couldn't break 320 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: through too. There's nobody else calling NBA games that didn't 321 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: play or coach in the NBA. They don't exist. And 322 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: so if you can kind of break through and then 323 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: and then now we get that opportunity because your talent, 324 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: but because you're unique and you're a diverse voice. Now 325 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: that I opens the doors for others, which which which 326 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: by the way, is part of what that hosting roles 327 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: should be for countdown, which is who cares, how and 328 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: why you get the job. If you can do the 329 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: job and do a really good job, you'll open up 330 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: more doors for more people in the future, right, which 331 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: is why there is a need for more diverse hiring. 332 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm rob, I'm I'm actually you asked if being 333 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: white hasn't ever benefited you. It has not. It has not, 334 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: But I will tell you that I'm also reasonable to 335 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: understand that in our business, you go back, I don't know, 336 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: thirty years ago, and you can speak to this. It 337 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: was very tough to break through if you're a black talent, 338 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: and so some of the some of the playing field 339 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: has to be evened out. I think that's reasonable considering 340 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: who we're covering and how we're covering them. I hear 341 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: about giving people opportunities, but to but to really believe 342 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: in your heart that the only reason somebody got a 343 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: job is because they're black is just foolish and it's demeaning, 344 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: and all the work that people have put in, I 345 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: just it's a it's a a. I think everybody resented. 346 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: I resent that whole notion that that's the only reason, 347 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: not that Maria Taylor played basketball or knows the game, 348 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: or that she put in work and they threw her 349 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: college game day and she did a good job on 350 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: that or whatever, you know, stepping stones that she had 351 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: to do to get there. When I got hired at 352 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: the Detroit Free Press as a sports columnist, uh dug 353 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, I was the first black sports 354 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: columnist ever at the paper. The paper was one hundred 355 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: and sixty one years old in a city that's eighty 356 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: percent black, And can you imagine no black man had 357 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: ever had a sports newspaper column in that paper. I mean, 358 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: just shocking, so uh And and they didn't give it 359 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: to me just because I was black. Because I kicked 360 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: ass Cincinnati covering the Reds, and I kicked ass covering 361 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Nets in New York at the 362 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: Daily News, I was hired at the Daily News at 363 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: twenty two years old, which at the time was the 364 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: largest newspaper in the country. So nobody gave me anything. 365 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't good that a black man finally 366 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: got that job. So whenever I hear that and know 367 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: like the work that you have to put in and 368 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: all the stuff that you have to do to get there, 369 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: it bothers me. So that's why I'm passionate about it. 370 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: No I and I and I think, and I think 371 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: that's the that's the crazy part about the Rachel thing 372 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: is that she was She was up until the last 373 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: up until the fourth July, she was a kind of 374 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: spokesman for for why there needs to be more diverse hires. 375 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: And then then the audio gets leaked out. You're like, oh, okay, 376 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: so she's not down with that. Okay, we get it right, 377 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: because why I think it's everybody's down until it if 378 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: ifs their job, and then all of a sudden they 379 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: have a different, different view of it. Be sure to 380 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays 381 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports 382 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Doug Gottlie Rob Parker 383 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: in for dan the Danette dan Patrick's show Fox Sports Radio. 384 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: By the way, Um, Rob, you know the real reason 385 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: that Maria Taylor got the job? No, please tell me, 386 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: break the news. Tell me. Do you know why? Why 387 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: people why certain people get elevated above other people at 388 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: different places of work? By your estimation, what's the what's 389 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: the biggest thing? Because I've been in this business half 390 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: as long as you have, almost twenty years. But it's 391 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: especially in sports talentent with some in sports radio. I 392 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: think the number one reason that you get elevated is 393 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: your relationship managing up Right, it's who's in charge and 394 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: they want to hire their people. Truly what it is 395 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: that part of that is absolutely true, isn't I think 396 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: a good I think a good portion of it is. 397 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: For example, in Rachel's case, Rachel's show The Jump was 398 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: developed by a guy who's no longer with the company, right, 399 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: and that that that show was his baby. The Jump 400 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: was he was a big NBA guy and he elevated her. Right, 401 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: that regime changed. There's a different regime, one who has 402 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: worked with Maria before and they're like, that's who we 403 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: want to be there. That's the that's the real reason 404 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: it works. That's that's actually what happens is you people 405 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: who are in management believe in people who have worked 406 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: for them before. And I believe that the person who's 407 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: in charge of the studio show Maria had worked for 408 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: before in I think in college football, at ESPN, you 409 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, she can do it. That's the way 410 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that it actually happens. By my estimation, it's we're all 411 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: in the relationship and people business, and when you hurt 412 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: those relationships and people, it's really really hard to put 413 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: that thing back together. Vince Goodwill joins us Yahoo's senior 414 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: NBA writer. Of course you can see him on First 415 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: Things First on the TV side as well. And you 416 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: don't even know this dog. He's my ex nephew right here, 417 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: Vince Goodwill, I mean you're ex nephew. Well, I was 418 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: married to his cousin. My ex wife is Vince is 419 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Vinny's cousin. Okay, but don't do you still remain cousins 420 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: even if if ye never I've never heard ex nephews. 421 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: I think I think he's just it's just just to 422 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: play name. It's still Vince. What was bigger yesterday? The 423 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: Rachel Nichols, Maria Taylor drama or Game one? Right, Oh, 424 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to stick to basketball on this one, y'all. Definitely. Uh. 425 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: I was surprised that, I guess the intensity of Game one. 426 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys. It seemed like, even 427 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: though the score was a score, it seemed like a 428 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: well played game. You know, and I know that you 429 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: know you might not notice, but Rob Parker believes that 430 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns are frauds. Jay to see the Phoenix 431 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: Suns out there last night playing effective basketball. Now, granted 432 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: they're going against the Mike botenhol Holder coach team, so 433 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: that that's like one hand tied behind his back, but 434 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: they were pretty they were pretty well coached last night. 435 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: The Phoenix Suns were pretty efficient. Chris Paul was masterful. 436 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: But I do think that the Bucks will at some 437 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: point have to make some adjustments unless they're coachless, and 438 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: I still think we're going to have a pretty competitive series. Yeah. 439 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: The Bootenholder thing is interesting, Rob, Right, It's like, boy, 440 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: I mean he, I mean he did make some adjustments 441 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: the Atlanta series, but he is slowed to adjust, Like, yeah, 442 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: that's just but what if justments? Vinny, did you see 443 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: that need to be done other than stopping Chris Paul. 444 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: What's the other adjustments. Well, it's not just stopping Chris Paul, 445 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: because I can understand why that they why they went on, 446 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, so switch heavy and put Brook Lopez out 447 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: in there on that island. They want to stop Chris 448 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: fall from the penetration and the kicking gout and breaking 449 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: out of defense. So all the you know, the mcl 450 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: bridges and all these other guys, you know, getting open shots. 451 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: But at some point you got to put your best 452 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: defender on the other team's best player. That's Drew Holliday. 453 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: Drew Holliday said, he's the best defender in the league. 454 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: And if you're the best defender in the league, especially 455 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: at that position, you've got to man up. Like I'm 456 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: not that old, but I remember when guys used to 457 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: guard their positions and they you know, whether they fought 458 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: over screens or they trapped or whatever the case was. 459 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: You can't let a player like Chris Paul dictate the terms. 460 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: He was not made uncomfortable, not one time yesterday. He 461 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: dictated the style and pace of the game. He dictated 462 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: everything that he wanted to do. And you can't let 463 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: a player that great, be great without throwing him different looks. Well, look, one, 464 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: you're the last part of what you said is is 465 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: dead on accurate, right. I mean that's really good. Vince 466 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: Goodwill joining us, y'all, who's senior NBA writer, Which is 467 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: very simple, Like you can't just give him the same look, 468 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, and allow him to be comfortable. I agree 469 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: with you, now what I think sometimes we have a 470 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: hard time understanding. We're like, why do they just why 471 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: do they switch? Like, okay, so what's changed in the NBA. 472 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: It's not just that you can't hand check check like 473 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: you used to be able to. Definitely never the two 474 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: hand thing or the steering a guy, which is you know, 475 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: when I came out of college, they put a hand 476 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: on your hip, and those the defenders that are really strong, 477 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: like you can't do anything with that. It's really hard. 478 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: But it's also they never call an a legal screen. 479 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: And so if you're coming over a ball screen and 480 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: the guy is six inches taller than you and outweighs 481 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: you buy fifty sixty pounds and he's allowed to move 482 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: just enough on a screen, you're gonna get hung up 483 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: on that screen. Now, all the different coverages behind it, 484 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: they can change as well as the personnel behind it. 485 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: They can change right, they can go small, they can 486 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: remove brook Lopez, although brook Lopez has become a very 487 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: viable weapon on the offensive end of the floor and 488 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: they feel like he can stretch out DeAndrea and shooting 489 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: three point shots as well. I don't think it's just 490 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: as easy as Drew. You take Chris Paul, lock him 491 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: up like like it used to be back in the 492 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: day with the individual matchups. But there is a lot 493 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of nuance there and a lot of 494 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: adjustments to personnel and who they're playing and how they're playing. 495 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: That was definitely lacking last night. No, I don't I 496 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: don't disagree with you. I think what you're saying about 497 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: the no handshaking is a great point. It's a great point. 498 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: You can't play physical basketball in the firmatter anymore. But 499 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: the further you get in the playoffs, you get a 500 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: little more leeway from the officials, and if you are willing, 501 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: as Drew holiday is is to play a little bit 502 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: off your reputation and to be able to maybe taken 503 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: an early file, go talk to the referee and say, hey, 504 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: look We're going to play a little bit physical and 505 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: I give us a little oxygen. Usually you see the 506 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: refs loosen enough on the whistles. Usually you saw trying 507 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: to dictate the play, you know, so to speak. My thing, 508 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: and I completely agree with you, especially with their being 509 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: so much more. You didn't go on the floor. Now 510 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: you can't just leave guys on an island one on 511 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: one because health defensive will come. Players will go swing, swing, 512 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: and you will get a plethora of open shots. My 513 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: thing is yet Milwaukee should go small. But if Chris 514 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: Paul is going to be on the floor, you also 515 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: have to attack him on the other end. You can't 516 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: let him. My thing with Chris pauls two things. You 517 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: have to attack him on defense so that he doesn't 518 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: have the energy to just dictate the terms on offense. 519 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: And secondly, Phoenix plays better when they're sped up or 520 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: whenever Chris Paul's not on the floor. So speed Chris 521 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Paul up a little bit, force him to play a 522 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: different pace and a different tempo, knock the team out 523 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: of their rhythm so that they're just not doing exactly 524 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: what they want to do. I think Monty Williams and 525 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: that staff is one a masterful job in preparing and 526 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: if my thing is honestly doug last thing. If you 527 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: want to feed DeAndre Aden because he's got the matchup 528 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: and he wants to score forty points, so be it, 529 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: because that's not what Phoenix wants to do. Talking about Milwaukee, 530 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: is there a chance that you know Yannis did play? 531 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: I was surprised he played. We don't know how he'll 532 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: his body or whatever the injury, will respond playing Vinnie 533 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: in game one and what he'll be like in game 534 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: two and hero on out. Could this be a four 535 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: game sweep by the Sons? Could this be ugly if 536 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: Yannis doesn't respond or he's not going to be the 537 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: player that you know he was prior to the injury. 538 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Could this be over quickly? Rob As this was a sweep, 539 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: it would be really hard for you and your Twitter mentions. 540 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I hope it's not a sweep, just for your sanity. Okay, 541 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm praying it's not a sweep. But no, I don't 542 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: think that the gap between these two teams, whether Yannis 543 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: is on the floor or not, is that wide. Like 544 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: they like this. The Clippers took them to six games, 545 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: giving away games without Kawhi Leonard. And not to say 546 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: that the Clippers are that much better than the Bucks, 547 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: but I do think that Chris Middleton is going to 548 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: be able to give you a game, a game in 549 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: which that you can't prepare for, even if be honest 550 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: is at eighty percent. I think Game one was kind 551 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: of a feeling out game for Yannis. You could see 552 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: that he was testing his body, not necessarily trusting. I'm 553 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: betting it was probably the first time that he really 554 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: went full sprint one hundred percent on everything. And you 555 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: got to be able to trust yourself in those situations, 556 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and you don't want to press it too hard too quick. 557 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: We saw what happened a couple of years ago of 558 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. You would be a fool to think that 559 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: that tract of situation is not in his mind, where 560 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, a minor injury turns into something greater because 561 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily misdiagnosed, but just the human body 562 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: being the human body. But I don't think that. All 563 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: that said, I don't think that Phoenix is going to 564 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: sweep them. I would not be surprised if Milwaukee wins 565 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: the game, too, and not just as a sign that 566 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: they are a better team because I feel think Phoenix 567 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: probably wins this series. But I just think it'll be 568 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: closer than people think. I don't think game one is 569 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: like a courting period. Rob, you know what that courty 570 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: is like when you when you date a woman and 571 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: all that sort the type of stuff. I know it's 572 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: been a long time you've been courting them, but game 573 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: one is usually the courting period. We're not in the 574 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 1: full of dance share it. You're right, You're right. And 575 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: that's usually though, Why when a road team has a 576 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: chance to steal one? That didn't feel like it was 577 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: really the case last night? Did here's a question? Did 578 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: it feel like an NBA Finals to you? And and 579 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: and there's okay because it did start on a Tuesday night, 580 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: which it feels a little random, right, It was like 581 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night. It's two teams that we hadn't 582 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: necessarily prepared for to be in the finals. Obviously there's 583 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: all the other issues in terms of there is star 584 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: star power. Now I'm asking Vince the Vince to you, 585 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: it felt like an NBA Finals? It did to the 586 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: A because I remember growing up in the NBA Finals 587 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: used to be Tuesday Thursday Sunday like, So this is 588 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: not this is not new to me on that point. 589 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: It's July, so there's the point of propos to, you know, 590 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: the middle of spring type of thing. But I think 591 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: every team that gets to the ros at one point, 592 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: as you like the Golden State Warriors in twenty fifteen, 593 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: there were people saying that that team was a fluke 594 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: because they played, you know, they didn't have to play 595 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: against the Clippers. They were down in every series. There 596 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: were you you know, you couldn't believe that a jump 597 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: shooting team was going to win a championship. And little 598 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: did we know that we were on the precipice of 599 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: the league completely turning on its ear. There is nothing 600 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: about either one of these two teams that says this 601 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: is not sustainable. The Phoenix Suns are young. You got 602 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: when you got Bridges and Booker and Eton in their 603 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: playing beyond their years, and they're not beating themselves. Who's 604 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: to say this cannot be a run over this next decade. 605 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: Whether Chris Paul is there or not, I think he's 606 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: very important. But also I think you're being I think 607 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: you're not there. There are other players in the league, 608 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: in the Western Conference that didn't play against them in 609 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: some big series. So I'm not so sure. You mean 610 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: like the MVP. Rob, No, don't think that it's that 611 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: easy to think, syl Vince on let me let me, 612 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: let me, let me help this this thing along. So, Vince, 613 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: you you think that, regardless of injury, that Sons would 614 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: absolutely be here today? No? No, I mean I think 615 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: that's I think I believe that hack Kawhi Leonard been healthy, 616 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: they they probably would have won. But there's about if 617 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: was healthy in the first round. Do you think they 618 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: were think? No, I think they beat the Lakers because 619 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: the Lakers couldn't have anything outside of those two. They 620 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: were up to one when he got hurt in Game four. 621 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: I just anybody kers were going to the finals? Yeah? 622 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: And Rob, weren't they done by forty? In Game six? 623 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is going to make a forty point difference, 624 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: I get it, But it was eight year year. I listen. 625 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: If you think that it's okay, I'm actually rob the Lakers. 626 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: It was a tough matchup. It was a bad matchup 627 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: really for the Suns in terms of individual personnel or whatever. 628 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: And yes, maybe the Sons were younger and better. Okay, 629 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: but the fact is the Lakers they like that matchup. 630 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: They were up two games to one and it did 631 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: not appear to be something that the Suns were gonna 632 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: be able to overtake. And then Anthony Davis got hurt 633 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: in the entire series, changed the entire Wait wait, I 634 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: got one last thing for y'all. I get it, But 635 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: what happens when you factor in Anthony Davis? Anthony Davis 636 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: gets hurt. This ain't new. So when you say, well, 637 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: if Anthony Davis was healthy, as in, as if Anthony 638 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: Davis is going to be healthy for his entire career, 639 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: as in we can't go to Basketball Reference and go 640 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: see sixty six sixty two games every year for him, 641 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: we give the gold Post a little bit weird. He's 642 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about the Sun's going on some ten runs 643 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: run and we're like, look, the Golden State, I should 644 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: be let's see what they do. They should be legit 645 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: next year. Without Kevin Durant, they weren't going on the 646 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: run that they win. They wouldn't go on if if 647 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know what the Lakers look like, 648 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the Clippers beat him if they have Kauhi, Right, 649 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think they're easy. I think 650 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: they're easy to dismiss because we feel like we don't 651 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: know them because they haven't been here in ten years. 652 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: They haven't been in the playoffs, the Clippers haven't been 653 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: passed the second round. Ever, I don't think that had 654 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: anything to do with it. I think it was just 655 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: the Clippers are better than I just I understand what 656 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: you're saying. I do appreciate the fact that some of 657 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: their best players are not yet twenty five years old. Okay, 658 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: and you would think that you can find the next 659 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Chris Paul or whatever. But like, look, here's what's gonna happen, 660 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: win or lose. They got to sign Chris Paul to 661 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: a three year, one hundred million dollars deal. Right, So 662 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: you're you're you're betting, you're gambling that everybody else improves 663 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: as Chris Paul slightly declines over the next couple of years. 664 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: Where the reality is, like we've seen Jason Kidd go 665 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: from really good player two can't make a layup, Like 666 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: when you when it goes and you're a guard, it 667 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: goes and it's gone, there's your watch, so so and 668 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: he and and I'm not trying to. I love Devin 669 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: Booker for since the time they drafted him, his youngest 670 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: player in the league, right, But Chris Paul made this 671 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: whole thing work, and how that dynamic goes forward the 672 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: next couple of years is going to be fascinating. And 673 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: we still don't even know how they finished these finals. 674 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: I will slightly push back because before DeAndre Ayden caught 675 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: his twenty five games suspension last year, the Phoenix Suns 676 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: were on track to make the playoffs. Now, his win shares. 677 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: I'm not a devotee of advanced stats and everything else, 678 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: but win shares is a pretty good indicator on some level. 679 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: His win shairs were higher last year and this year 680 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: than Chris Paul. He looks to be a legit basketball player, 681 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: not just for now, before the future. I understand your 682 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: point about Chris Paul getting older. When you lose it, 683 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: you goose it, especially at this age, you know in 684 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: his injury issues. I'm not saying that the Phoenix Suns 685 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: are going to make the finals every single season and 686 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: knock off every single team in the Western Conference. I 687 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: am simply saying maybe I wasn't clear. I'm simply saying that, 688 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: let's say over the next five years or six years, 689 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: they make the finals two more times. What does that 690 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: not validate their existence or their presence this year? Like 691 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other teams in the Western Conference 692 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: that have eight issues, cap issues, performance issues, coaching issues, 693 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns actually have players who are going to 694 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: get better in a coach that isn't going anywhere. Ye 695 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: why can't they keep this up? It's it's I think 696 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: I think that Chris Paul and the contract and what 697 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: has to follow is the only reason. All I want 698 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: us to do is hold his tape and then the 699 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: next five years when the sun's don't he he made it, 700 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: he made he made great. I gonna lose money, then 701 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: I gonna lose. But I don't think those young wing 702 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: is that easy, even with good I didn't say nobody 703 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: said it was that easy. You have to have a 704 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: little bit of luck. But but the the Vince is 705 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: the foundation is clearly built, and now the culture is 706 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: to the point where, um where where it look it 707 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: feels like that this is something that is sustainable. That 708 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: that am I speaking at turn Vince, Absolutely no, I 709 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: think the culture looks like it doesn't feel like a 710 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: to me, if this was just a team team that 711 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: got hot and they caught teams slipping and teams didn't 712 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: see them coming, and like if they were an a 713 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: seed or something like that like that, I would completely 714 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: understand that this isn't then. And the biggest thing for me, 715 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: the biggest thing when I watched the Phoenix Suns play, 716 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: if you're going to beat them, you're going to have 717 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: to take the game from them. They don't beat themselves. 718 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: To me, that's something that's sustainable through years. That's something 719 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: that's sustainable on the road, it travels. There's a steadiness 720 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: to how they play. That to me feel sustainable and 721 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: long lasting, regardless of whatever injury issues may come up. 722 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: Because there's injury issues that you can put an asterisk 723 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: on every every championship. Since the league expanded the sixteen teams, 724 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: many we gotta go yes or nowhere answer you picked 725 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: the Suns to go to the NBA Finals before the 726 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: playoffs started? Yes or no? No, I didn't. I didn't think, so, okay, 727 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: thank you, I didn't know. I wasn't Madame Cleo. Rob 728 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: Parker got I mean, by the way you're talking about 729 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: But but you're talking about not turning the ball over. 730 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: They have to beat they don't beat themselves. That Chris 731 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: Paul is a big part of that reason why Vince 732 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: Goodwill Yahoo's senior NBA Right, Thanks Vince, his ex nephew. 733 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: We're not nephews anymore. Ex nephews carry Richardson. We'll now 734 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: miss the Olympics entirely. Apparently haven't been dating since since 735 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: you got divorced. So does this change the way you 736 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: view her suspension? We'll discuss next. Fox Sports Radio has 737 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all 738 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and 739 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: within the iHeartRadio app. Search f SR to listen live. 740 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, It's me three times NFL All Pro 741 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: Sean Mariner and I have a new sports podcast called 742 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: The lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is 743 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: special to me is I get a chance to talk 744 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: to some of the best We've ever done it on 745 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: a field or the track. So whether it's talking to 746 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, 747 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: The Lights Out Podcast will bring it to you the 748 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: only way I know how. I'm giving you the best 749 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: insight from the best we've ever done it. Listen to 750 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: Lights Out with Sean Merriman or the iHeartRadio app or 751 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Doug Gottlieb Bron Parker in 752 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: for Dan and the Dan Ats. This is the Dan 753 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: Patrick Shell. So Karry Richardson was scheduled to miss. Obviously, 754 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: she had to miss the hundred meter dash because of 755 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: her month long suspension because she test posited for marijuana 756 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: after the Olympic trials where she won the hundred meter dash. 757 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: But yesterday, Rob, we got news that she won't be 758 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: invited to join the Olympic team for the four by 759 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: one one hundred meter dash. What do you think? Yeah, 760 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty consistent if they're disqualifying her time 761 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: and it doesn't count, and then so she's not ranked 762 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: in the top ten and the other participants who didn't 763 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: get busted, you know, or test positive. I guess it's 764 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: the more correct word correct term to say. I could 765 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: see where they would bypass her and go to the 766 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: other people. So I'm not that surprised. That was my 767 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: initial thought that once she wasn't going to be in 768 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: the one hundred, that she wasn't going to participate at all. Okay. 769 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: Is she the fastest UH sprinter in the country? Ah? No, 770 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: not according to the Times, because she was disqualified or 771 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: tim doesn't count. Rob. Is she the fastest spur in 772 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: the country? How Times don't Rob ask no question? No, 773 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: just to answer to answer the question, Rob yessed no, 774 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: which no she's not? No, no, no, she is she 775 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: the fastest? Yes? Okay? Is the idea to represent our 776 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: country with the fastest people if eligible? Yes? And oh yeah. 777 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: By the way, she has never said anything in regards 778 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: to this suspension being unfair or an American she accepted it. No, 779 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: she didn't. So the suspension is up. She's eligible, She's 780 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: the fastest woman. Why else is she running the four 781 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: by one hundred. I have zero problem with the suspension. 782 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: I've said, and and people they get it twisted, like, look, 783 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: do I think the rule is smart to still test 784 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: for weed? Like no, But she knew it. She knew 785 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: the test was coming, you know, and she she she's 786 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: still however, she smoked it. She smoked it. I don't 787 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 1: want to hear about weed being legal in this many states. 788 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: Like she's an athlete, especially as a sprinter. Okay, and 789 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: knowing everyone knows what's going in their body, and she 790 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: hasn't fought it. But if she's eligible to run, why 791 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: don't she run the FORMA one hundred. That doesn't make 792 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: any sense to me. You have two hours to prove 793 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: to me that I'm wrong. That's what two got two 794 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: hours or one hour? What time? You got one hour? 795 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: We got one more hour? That's it, that's it much fun. Yes, 796 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: talk my bou knows her next. Den Petrist