WEBVTT - Rewind Education is Power

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M I.

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<v Speaker 3>Tamika my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

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<v Speaker 1>New Name, New Energy. What's up, my son, Lennon?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Timika Mallory?

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<v Speaker 1>That's me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's who you be.

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<v Speaker 4>You know to me, I'll be making him change that

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<v Speaker 4>on like checks and you make sure that D is

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<v Speaker 4>this because that's my name.

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<v Speaker 2>You made sure that you ain't gonna miss the D.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm dead to you. I'm just saying, I mean, are

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<v Speaker 4>y'all serious about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thing? People do it? Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's just it's a nature. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>get caught saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But what if you're a grown person that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>fifty years old into you?

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<v Speaker 3>Grown people is the ones who've been doing it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>started with the grown people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dame das.

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<v Speaker 4>Odule styles to do it right because she's saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>But like I was going to get ice cream, Paul,

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, that is not what it's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Useful.

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<v Speaker 2>That ain't it. I love you, but that ain't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of ice cream, I ain't been eating no ice cream.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my workout like it's gonna be tough this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, because I'm back. I'm tired

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<v Speaker 3>of the dad bought. I had the dad buy for

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<v Speaker 3>about two three years. I couldn't really see my six pack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my six pack wasn't it wasn't right, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. I felt my stomach over my pants. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like, nah, this ain't me. So you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>last few months, been getting it right. I see my

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<v Speaker 3>six pack again. It's tough. I'm down about ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>almost eleven pounds. You know, Ramadant helped me get on

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<v Speaker 3>that that road. You know what I'm saying, So that

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<v Speaker 3>that exercise. Man, y'all be trying to cheat. Everybody want

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<v Speaker 3>to cheat the ground to me, like I want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't cheat the ground. You don't really cheat. First,

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<v Speaker 3>you have been working out. I have to admit, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I have curved a lot of my bad habits in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of eating.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to do better.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that sugar is my addiction, like I have really,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I didn't listen. I have traded in other

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<v Speaker 4>addictions for sugar. And it's serious, Like I now am

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<v Speaker 4>beginning to see that if I don't have sugar, or

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<v Speaker 4>if if I don't have something sweet, I get agitated,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is a problem. So now apple slices is

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<v Speaker 4>my new thing, or you know, some type of fruit

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<v Speaker 4>to try to help me. And then you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I also eat, y'all know, because I keep them around

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<v Speaker 4>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Crab babies. Baby. I got to have me a crib baby.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my that's my job. I was eating.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you, Let me tell y'all this story.

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<v Speaker 4>So I used to keep a bag of double bubble gum.

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<v Speaker 4>Double bubble, yes, the individual double bubble gums. First I

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<v Speaker 4>used to have bazooka gum, but them joints to just

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<v Speaker 4>be too stale, like they I don't maybe people don't

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<v Speaker 4>eat eat them as much as they used to, so

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<v Speaker 4>they just leave you. Just buy you a box of

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<v Speaker 4>rocks and soil, you know, come on, can't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, eating gum, I don't think it's healthy anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>But eating gum.

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<v Speaker 1>See eating gum, that's why this is how I chew gum.

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<v Speaker 1>I eat them. So then I went to double bubble

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Got somehow I lucked up and out of the CBS store.

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<v Speaker 4>I found a bag of double bubble gums, but it

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<v Speaker 4>also had the hard ones that you buy from because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm one of those people, as you know, because y'all

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<v Speaker 4>have seen me.

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<v Speaker 1>We could be.

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<v Speaker 4>One time we were in like the back roads of

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know where the hell we were, and my

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<v Speaker 4>ass was running all around trying to collect twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>cent to get one of them gums out of all you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that was something we wouldn't talk about here, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was like a thing going on in the community, and

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<v Speaker 4>they wanted to inform us, but they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk out in public, so we and I'm running around

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<v Speaker 4>instead of the meeting, I'm out here trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five cent to get some bubblegum out of that

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<v Speaker 4>dirty machine that never gets cleaned.

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<v Speaker 1>And the inside I like bubblegum. So when I got

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<v Speaker 1>the bag with the double Bubbles in it, it had

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<v Speaker 1>the cry Babies was in there too.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Crybabies and a few of the little other

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<v Speaker 4>hard ones. So then I took the whole bag of

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<v Speaker 4>double Bubbles and took it to the hand salon and

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<v Speaker 4>say I can't have this no more. Ordered me some

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<v Speaker 4>cry babies and now I'm just loving a bag of crimebait.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I gotta get I know this is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I was told with my six pack and you went

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<v Speaker 2>to crabbabies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just saying sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>Sugar is a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, man, Health is wealth for real, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's and I'm just enjoying my health journey again.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back like inspired with my workout and just being healthy,

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<v Speaker 3>eating healthy. Well I'm still fast and technically because I

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<v Speaker 3>do intimate.

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<v Speaker 1>And faster than anyway you lived like that, Yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, and I just feel I feel, I feel myself

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<v Speaker 2>being a lot more stronger.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all don't really eat like the girls eat. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna lie like men. Do not eat like women. Because

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<v Speaker 4>being on the road with y'all, Linda and I can

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<v Speaker 4>put down.

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<v Speaker 2>Some I don't even know how. Listen to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know where Linda fit the food. She

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<v Speaker 3>she gets a plate. See the thing about you is

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<v Speaker 3>you pick off your pate. But I order me order

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<v Speaker 3>four places, four main plates, entrees. She ordered steak, she

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<v Speaker 3>ordered ribs, and then she orders shrimp in this and

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<v Speaker 3>it be with mashed potatoes on here. Like vegetables on

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<v Speaker 3>here did she goes two spikes, two bites to each

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<v Speaker 3>of them, and then she just keep going around and she'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Pack it up.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't think people that I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Linda will ordered the whole entree with like to a

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<v Speaker 3>double eat the surf and turf, what what do the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fries and all the stuff? Finish that?

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<v Speaker 3>And then start picking on to me get school because

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<v Speaker 3>she knows she ain't gonna eat it. And I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>how did she eat all that? I couldn't eat all that?

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<v Speaker 4>We do eat, but we but we are better and

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<v Speaker 4>this is so this behavior ended as of December of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty three, and now we're getting two meals, not

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<v Speaker 4>four vegetables, not a lot of carbs at all. I

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<v Speaker 4>have cut back carbs and it's killing me. I had

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<v Speaker 4>carbs today. But they and they say you can still

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<v Speaker 4>eat certain things, but you really do have to work out.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of people that's out here on the zimpee.

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<v Speaker 2>The zimbi, and I'm with them.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't zip harrold they on the ZIMPI I feel you,

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<v Speaker 4>but you have to work out because you're looking a

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<v Speaker 4>little weird.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ain't still getting that work out of you,

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<v Speaker 2>just on that zimpie you.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking, you got that look that it's a look got

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<v Speaker 4>to work out. So I mean, I literally have had

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<v Speaker 4>a full lifestyle change, but I don't drink soda at all, juice,

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<v Speaker 4>none of that stuff. So you know, it's a new thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do. I can't tell the difference. I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell the difference. So anyway, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What it is.

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<v Speaker 1>My thought of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw Donald Trump Junior and he made a very

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<v Speaker 4>very powerful statement. He said, the Republican Party that we

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<v Speaker 4>once knew is no longer. He said, the last step

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<v Speaker 4>is for MAGA to take over the rn C, which

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<v Speaker 4>is the Republican National Convention where he's he's talking about

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<v Speaker 4>going there and overthrowing the whole joint and them taking

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<v Speaker 4>over right, And he said, once we accomplish that, it

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be the MAGA Party. This man said

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<v Speaker 4>this himself. So when people start going back and forth

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<v Speaker 4>we arguing Republicans versus Democrats, we're not even really arguing

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<v Speaker 4>Republicans versus Democrats anymore. We're arguing Republicans versus I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats versus MAGA.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Independent even some Republicans, some moderate Republicans, because the way

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<v Speaker 4>that Marjorie Taylor Green and the rest of those right

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<v Speaker 4>wing Republicans it's his name, Mark Gatz, he's from she's

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<v Speaker 4>from Georgia, and he's from Florida. The way in which

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<v Speaker 4>they are they super maga. They're not even a little maga.

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<v Speaker 4>The way that they are pulling, the way that they

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<v Speaker 4>are pulling and shifting the Republican Party towards this extremist mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>It is not the same Republican Party that you could

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<v Speaker 4>play with and be like, oh, we could kind of

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<v Speaker 4>possibly work with them. There's no working with them. They

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<v Speaker 4>do not They vote against everything that has to do

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<v Speaker 4>with us and a little bit of what we deserve.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't even get everything that we need from the Democrats, right,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't even have them in there one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>advocating for like real substantive change. It's only a few

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<v Speaker 4>people within the Democratic Party that's going to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>These maga folks at every single angle, they are turning

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<v Speaker 4>it down, They are pushing.

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<v Speaker 1>Back against anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Then in fact, they want to roll it all back,

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<v Speaker 4>and unfortunately our people sit up there and support it. So,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, some of our people. Let me be careful

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<v Speaker 4>with absolutes. So my thought of the day is that

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<v Speaker 4>I hope people understand that we're not sitting up here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not because you have your own mindset around this.

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<v Speaker 4>I am not arguing that it's the Democrats are better

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<v Speaker 4>than the Republicans. I'm saying that I will never support MAGA.

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<v Speaker 4>And when Donald Trump's own son says that the Republican

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<v Speaker 4>Party is becoming that and that they intend to take

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<v Speaker 4>over and make sure that MAGA is the order of

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<v Speaker 4>the day, that bullshit make America great again, which ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>means going back to a time when black people had

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<v Speaker 4>even less rights than we have now. I can never

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<v Speaker 4>align with that. And their party leader is his father,

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump. So no, I don't support them. What does

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<v Speaker 4>that mean? Does that mean I'm puking on myself about

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<v Speaker 4>having to continuously be involved with a party that I

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<v Speaker 4>also does not feel like. I also don't feel that

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<v Speaker 4>this party deserves my vote, my energy. Absolutely, absolutely. It

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<v Speaker 4>makes me sick to my stomach. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>I realize that whatever comes out of not just this election,

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<v Speaker 4>but every single election, you got Congressman Jamal Bowman and

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<v Speaker 4>Corey Bush, Congresswoman Corey Bush, Angela Asselbrooks running for Senate

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<v Speaker 4>in Maryland.

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<v Speaker 1>You have Hill Harper running for office.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've got people that are under attack by

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<v Speaker 4>MAGA and a PAK, which MAGA and APAK are aligned

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<v Speaker 4>in many ways. Okay, this is some serious shit, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know that my granddaughter's future is directly connected to

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<v Speaker 4>the decisions that we made, so we could talk all

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<v Speaker 4>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't care, don't matter. I'm not I get I hear you,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just telling you that these people have a

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<v Speaker 4>plan and a design and a strategy that includes the courts,

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<v Speaker 4>whether they be federal courts, state courts. They try they

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<v Speaker 4>are attempting to take back everything that anybody you respect for.

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<v Speaker 2>For that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even that's not even something that's even worth

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's even arguable. Nobody can't argue that. The

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<v Speaker 3>only thing what they try to say is well, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need that. We don't need Brown Personal or the

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<v Speaker 3>Boyd Edge Game. We don't need we don't need Roe

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<v Speaker 3>versus Weight, we don't need de Ei Like it's just stupid. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you mean the reason why we got it?

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<v Speaker 3>Is because we needed it, have to fucking the people

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<v Speaker 3>that you do. You celebrate our imposition that have been

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<v Speaker 3>able to change the future, I mean change and make

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<v Speaker 3>change and create a better future for us because they

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<v Speaker 3>were forced to put them in. They didn't never want

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<v Speaker 3>to put us in a position of power or anything like,

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<v Speaker 3>they were forced to do it. So you just giving

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<v Speaker 3>them the opportunity to say, you know what, We're just

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<v Speaker 3>gonna make this company one hundred percent white again. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna make sure these schools is one hundred percent white again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, maybe one if you got an Ivy League

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<v Speaker 3>black kid that grew up that actually had access to wealth,

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<v Speaker 3>then maybe we'll get them in. But we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to do none of that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what DEI is. D I is women.

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<v Speaker 4>Having the opportunity to really make money, to take care

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<v Speaker 4>of themselves and their families and create and and and

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<v Speaker 4>have businesses. Right, that's de I. You know what else

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<v Speaker 4>de I is, let's go back beyond that. Oh, actually

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<v Speaker 4>it would be in the same time, voting rights was

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<v Speaker 4>de I. That was us having the ability for the

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<v Speaker 4>for the voting pool to be diverse, where white people

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<v Speaker 4>did not control everything. They might have called it d

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<v Speaker 4>I at the time, but that's what the language developed

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<v Speaker 4>to be later on.

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<v Speaker 1>D I is a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 4>D I is even our ability to get on certain

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<v Speaker 4>college campuses, to get to get the resources that our

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<v Speaker 4>schools deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>I is so much bigger than this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this this thing that people keep talking about, it

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<v Speaker 4>means that you aren't qualified. Like what like, we're we're

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<v Speaker 4>more qualified. And I'm gonna keep saying this. We're more qualified,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And I and and and and the sad

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<v Speaker 4>part is and I and.

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<v Speaker 1>I will leave it here. One of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said this when I was addressing Daniel Cameron

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<v Speaker 4>after he did not do justice by Brianna Taylor, her family,

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<v Speaker 4>and the community of Louisville, Kentucky, and Kentucky overall and

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately America by allowing those offices not to be prosecuted

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<v Speaker 4>for murdering that young beautiful girl. Okay, I said this

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<v Speaker 4>to him, You just like the ones who were a

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<v Speaker 4>part of selling us into enslavement, even because you are ignorant,

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<v Speaker 4>for real, willfully ignorant whatever they've offered you, you believe

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<v Speaker 4>that somehow, if you align with you have the proximity

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<v Speaker 4>to whatever they have, their wealth, their power, their whiteness.

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<v Speaker 4>So you go get married to them and then try

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<v Speaker 4>to work alongside them and throw your own family, your

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<v Speaker 4>own people away, You are complicit. So I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 4>while we sit here.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and and and.

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<v Speaker 4>Own the talking points of those who want to be

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<v Speaker 4>our oppressors, we are in the process of selling ourselves

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<v Speaker 4>right back into the same loop that we have fought

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<v Speaker 4>so hard to get out of. So I just hope

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<v Speaker 4>that black men who hear that know that love me

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<v Speaker 4>for real, don't love me just in the bed, don't

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<v Speaker 4>love me just you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We cool and you you support me?

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, sis, No, our bodies, our rights, everything about us,

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<v Speaker 4>everything that you claim you love is under attack. And

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<v Speaker 4>you out here talking about we were not qualified enough

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<v Speaker 4>to get the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers. Let's be for real.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a word there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what this is, but I feel

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<v Speaker 3>a little bad to bring some music after that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, we we deserve the balance of a

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<v Speaker 4>little musical Little music might lighten it up.

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<v Speaker 3>What you got artist from Philadelphia og like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>what I call real og Like somebody sent it to

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<v Speaker 3>me and it just touched me. This brother is lyrically dope.

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<v Speaker 3>His message is really trying to wake up the youth.

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<v Speaker 3>Reminds me of pretty much my message. His name is

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Basil. He's dope. He's a dope artist. And he

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<v Speaker 3>has this song that he released the video for where

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<v Speaker 3>he took the Somehow some Way jay Z and Beanie

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<v Speaker 3>song that one of my favorite songs. He took the

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<v Speaker 3>beat and he made it into his own, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's him schooling these young boys and just talking

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<v Speaker 3>to them about the streets and the reality and just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to inspire and motivate him.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's lyrically crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sot Basil, Saint Basil Basil. So it's somebody. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>my speed. It's you love it, the old speed, you

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<v Speaker 1>love it. You know who I like as an artist,

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<v Speaker 1>Lola Brook.

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<v Speaker 3>Lola shout out the way she come out. Lola is

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to my main eighty, who is she signed to?

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty is one of to main, of those best friends.

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<v Speaker 3>And eighty got shot a while ago. He's been in

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<v Speaker 3>the wheelchair, but he's always been like my heart. And

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<v Speaker 3>he started his own company. He signed Lola and they've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing anything, So shout out to eighty, Shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to Lola, you know the first time, like I've always

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<v Speaker 3>been a fan of HRS. When I first met her

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<v Speaker 3>at Yankee Stadium when they did the concert, she gave

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<v Speaker 3>me a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big hugs, like, yo, all love it? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>So her and her energy.

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<v Speaker 4>She came out on the stage for the uh what

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<v Speaker 4>was it? She's a cold concert? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And scarlet scarlet. I love scarlet.

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<v Speaker 4>I happened to see her not long ago, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was she was with og Bar at Brooklyn chop House

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<v Speaker 4>one night. And in Brooklyn Chophouse is a black man's

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<v Speaker 4>restaurant that is in the middle of Times Square and

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<v Speaker 4>it's several floors and it's very fabulous.

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<v Speaker 1>And she don pooh, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was at a table sitting down with og Barr,

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<v Speaker 4>who's like the uncle to us all. And you know

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<v Speaker 4>you could tell O g was you know, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he was schooling U, telling them what it is. And

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<v Speaker 4>I just walked over to him. I was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>are beautiful. Don't letting anybody make you feel like you

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<v Speaker 4>have to defend your beauty. You just beautiful. And she

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<v Speaker 4>was so beautiful in person, just a beautiful spirit, so

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<v Speaker 4>sweet and kind. But that Internet has you feeling like

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<v Speaker 4>you gotta get on there and be like stop stop

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<v Speaker 4>saying how I look, and stop saying you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>she was going through that for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But it looks like the.

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<v Speaker 4>Bar probably sat down and say, don't get there, explain

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<v Speaker 4>yourself another get well, listen, don't fuck our kids, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>don't over our children.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>We're about to talk about education in New York State,

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<v Speaker 4>which should be what we're going to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be all over the nation and ultimately all

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<v Speaker 4>over the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a brother's doing something very revolutionary, so stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring him on.

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<v Speaker 3>So today our guests is a friend of mine, another friend,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a brother that for the last couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years that I've worked closely with, watched him do so

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<v Speaker 3>many things, you know, within the educational system and just

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<v Speaker 3>in the community period, like just watching him be very

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<v Speaker 3>hands on and supporting everybody that's doing anything from hip

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<v Speaker 3>hop artists to elected officials, and also inside education because

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<v Speaker 3>that's where his background is. You know, my brother, Dennis

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<v Speaker 3>Makizi is an experienced educator who's worked every level of

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<v Speaker 3>education from daycare to college and most recently because people

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<v Speaker 3>will say think that this all he's done, but most

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<v Speaker 3>recently he is the founder of OSG, which is short

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<v Speaker 3>for off school Grounds, you know, and it's a revolutionary organization.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to thank you and welcome you to

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 5>My pleasure, family, my pleasure. Yes, yes, yes, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously my brother might sign up known for what.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's funny to me, I've been meeting I've been

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<v Speaker 5>wanting to meet you, or to at least talk to

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<v Speaker 5>you for so long because we we we have, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>mutual friends like Jamility Davis.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, and you know this is truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Davis is all my friend's friends exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Most certainly, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>So give us a background, let us know what it

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<v Speaker 3>is you're doing. Because serial educated from daykid all the

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<v Speaker 3>way to that's a life. So give us like a background.

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<v Speaker 5>My entire family we're postal workers, right, So my grandfather,

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<v Speaker 5>my mother, my father, my sister, my twin brother and

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<v Speaker 5>I all worked at the post office at one time

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<v Speaker 5>or another. And you know, just getting up every night

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<v Speaker 5>going to work. Man, it just you know, to make

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<v Speaker 5>a dollar. It just wasn't fulfilling enough for me. And

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<v Speaker 5>then one night, you know, I just say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 5>this is probably this is probably not the move I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna make, and I'm going to make a career switch.

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<v Speaker 5>So the next morning I got up looking the newspaper

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<v Speaker 5>and I saw an opportunity to work at a school

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<v Speaker 5>in Westchester, you know, because I grew up in Mount Vernon,

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<v Speaker 5>and I said, you know what, let me, let me,

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<v Speaker 5>let me try that. I left the post office making

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen dollars an hour to make it seven dollars and

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<v Speaker 5>thirty seven cent at the school because I believed in

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<v Speaker 5>it so much, you know, I felt that that was

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<v Speaker 5>my passion. That's what I what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I remember when I made that jump, my

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<v Speaker 5>mom bugged out on me. She was like, yo, you buggin,

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<v Speaker 5>Like how you gonna do that? Because at that time

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<v Speaker 5>I became a father. When I was seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 5>I had my first son, who's now thirty three. I

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<v Speaker 5>had him my last year in high school.

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<v Speaker 6>And so to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Able to do that and then say you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm want to make a career shift. You know, he

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<v Speaker 5>probably been two or three years old. It was truly

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<v Speaker 5>a leap of faith for me to do so, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>so being able to say to myself, I wanted more.

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to do more than what my family were

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<v Speaker 5>able to do. I look back now, almost thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 5>and I feel like it was a dope move for

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<v Speaker 5>myself because from May I went from the daycare to

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<v Speaker 5>school aid to teacher, to assist in principal, the principal

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<v Speaker 5>to executive director of an all male school in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 5>and then most recently, for the past twelve years, I've

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<v Speaker 5>been running my own consultant firm. Why I support school

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<v Speaker 5>leaders across the nation, so you know, I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 5>supporting principles from New York all the way to Compton

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<v Speaker 5>and everywhere in between, and then also to for the

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<v Speaker 5>past two years, I've.

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<v Speaker 6>Been an adjunct professor at Columbia University.

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<v Speaker 5>So really I've done it almost from creative all the

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<v Speaker 5>way through through college at this point in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>my career, so it is, it has been one heck

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<v Speaker 5>of a journey. You know, I'm only fifty fifty years

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<v Speaker 5>old and you know, but to say that I've run

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<v Speaker 5>the gamut when it comes to education as an understatement,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm just really, you know, really blessed to have

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<v Speaker 5>said that I can, I can speak about education in

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<v Speaker 5>the most scholarly fashion, that I could also tell you

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<v Speaker 5>what it means on a street level as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny that you say your mom was like, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you doing? Because you know, black folks, it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>you ain't gonna give up that good job.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, that good city job, stable job.

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<v Speaker 4>So seven dollars in yes, yeah, that's that's taking a

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<v Speaker 4>cut for sure. And it's funny that we just interviewed

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<v Speaker 4>not long ago Congressman Jamal Bowman who was talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how the federal minimum wage is still seven dollars is

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<v Speaker 4>some change seven twenty fives or whatever, right, So we still.

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<v Speaker 1>Have not it hasn't changed much.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, at that time it probably was five dollars

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<v Speaker 4>or four dollars in change, and you were making a premium.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know what to be I forgot to tell

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<v Speaker 6>you it was part time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh lord, oh my, So I was.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time going to I was working at that

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<v Speaker 5>school in the morning for seven dollars and thirty seven

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<v Speaker 5>cent and then I would take the train down to

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<v Speaker 5>Halem and work at Harbor morning Side daycare for I

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<v Speaker 5>think another five dollars and something. So I literally working

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<v Speaker 5>two jobs in the profession that I loved, for basically

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<v Speaker 5>a total of thirteen dollars, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was I would basically work in the morning

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<v Speaker 5>to basically pay because at that time it wasn't driving

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<v Speaker 5>to pay the commute to get down to Harlem to

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<v Speaker 5>work at the daycare, so I forgot to. I left

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<v Speaker 5>that part of it out because it wasn't a full time,

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<v Speaker 5>full time job.

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<v Speaker 3>So when did you realize that you had a love

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<v Speaker 3>for education like women?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>It was funny my son, I always felt like I

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<v Speaker 5>had a passion for people, right, And I remember at

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<v Speaker 5>that moment my brother and I, my brother and I

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<v Speaker 5>we went to Hopstu University. We went to Hopstra for

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<v Speaker 5>a semester. Right, But because at that time I had

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 5>my son, you know, going to Hopshire playing football and

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that, I just felt awkward about leaving my

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<v Speaker 5>son to go to school, to go away to college

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 5>because we stayed on campus. So then I came back,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you know what, the same for me to

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<v Speaker 5>be away. So I came back to Mount Vernon. And

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<v Speaker 5>in Mount Vernon they had just opened an extension site

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<v Speaker 5>for Mercy College. Was in the basement of an elementary

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 5>school at night, so from six to nine o'clock I

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<v Speaker 5>would go to school in this extension site. And I

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<v Speaker 5>remember there was this big, broadly white guy who's my counselor.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, I think you should really consider working not

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<v Speaker 5>only with people, but with children. And because he saw me,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he spent so much time with me as

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<v Speaker 5>my counselor, he was like, I think you should give

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<v Speaker 5>it a shot. And I trusted him, and I guess

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 5>from that point the rest is history. Because I've also

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 5>had great experiences in school, right. I had Miss Shannon,

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<v Speaker 5>who's my third grade teacher. Miss Bracy was my fourth

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<v Speaker 5>grade teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Ms.

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<v Speaker 5>Joffrion who's my fifth grade teacher. I remember black educators

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<v Speaker 5>poured into me. In addition to my father being from

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<v Speaker 5>Jamaica and my mother from being from Belize. They had

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<v Speaker 5>a you know, it was a high respect for education.

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<v Speaker 5>So that in conjunction with you know, great teachers when

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<v Speaker 5>I grew up, really pushed me in that area. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think Jim McGowan is his name. He was the

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<v Speaker 5>one who really told me that I would be good

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<v Speaker 5>at this, and I can honestly tell you he was right.

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 5>He was the first one to tell me that. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like I said, I owe a lot to

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 5>him and people like him who saw something in me

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 5>that I didn't even see in myself. Right, because from

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 5>our communities, it's tough sometimes because all we see is

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 5>what we see. We saw hip hop, you know, we

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 5>saw we saw hip hop, we saw app you know, sports,

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 5>we saw those type of things, and we looked at

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<v Speaker 5>a teacher or principal and we was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if I want to do that. They don't look

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<v Speaker 5>like they making no money. I look at when I'm

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 5>coming to school. Their cars don't look fly. So I

0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 5>don't know if I want to do that. So it

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 5>really pushed me in that space after hearing hearing my

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 5>counselor giving me that advice.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, So you tell me you said your mother was Jamaican.

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<v Speaker 6>No, my mother was from Belize.

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<v Speaker 4>Your mother's from Belize and your father from jama It's

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<v Speaker 4>from Jamaica. We did a show not long ago when

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 4>we were talking about how all most of my friends

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 4>that are from whether they are Haitian or Jamaican or whatever,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 4>there is such a focus on education.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I think because for them they realized that,

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 5>you know, and to go to a great school in

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 5>those areas, you have to pay for it. And I

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 5>think my father in particular would say, you know, for us,

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 5>not to take it for granted, because in order to

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<v Speaker 5>get the kind of education we'll get here in America,

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 5>people have to pay for it in other.

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 6>Areas of the world. So I think that was the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also feel like, just like most parents, you

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 5>want more for your children than you.

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 6>Had for yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I think he was, he was so much ingrained

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.640
<v Speaker 5>that education was it was ingrained in the education was important.

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 5>But I also felt deep down inside that he just

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 5>wanted more for us, and so that's where the push

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 5>was when it came to that. I don't think it

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 5>was much more than that to me. I don't think

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 5>it was something where we you know, he had this,

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 5>he had this vision that education would taken me this far.

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 5>Because my father, who passed away six years ago, didn't

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 5>never really seem didn't know the work that I did.

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 5>He didn't understand that I was already doing some revolutionary

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 5>stuff and education had no idea my mother, which was crazy.

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 6>My mother from Belize. She had a really unique.

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Way of saying how she felt about us as her children.

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 5>I defended my dissertation for my doctorate two and a

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 5>half years ago. My mother and I did it virtually.

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 5>My mom and about ninety other people were on their

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<v Speaker 5>zoom after the zoom call for and they and they

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 5>announced me as a recipient doctoral degree. My mom said

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<v Speaker 5>to me, I didn't know you was that smart, and

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 5>it was. And I had to take what she said.

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It understood that she just hadn't been engaged.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And that was a crazy part because again I

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 5>never took it as I never took it as she

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 5>was trying. Yeah, she wasn't trying to play me. It

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 5>was just her saying like, yo, I'm proud of you son,

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 5>you know. And on that particular and on that particular zoom,

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 5>I had Mayor Sean Patterson from Mount Vernion where I'm from,

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 5>who was there also to to support Dame Dash was

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<v Speaker 5>on it. And you know, you're talking about only ninety

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 5>educators to see me do this. But she was like, man,

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 5>like I didn't know you was that smart? Like I didn't.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 5>But neither one of them, I think, really had the

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 5>opportunity to understand what I was doing in the world.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 6>They had no idea.

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<v Speaker 5>It's recently, mind you, my twin brother doesn't really understand

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 5>what I'm doing. My sister the other day was scrolling

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 5>through Instagram and realized, like, wow, bro, you doing it?

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 5>Like can I get some oeg year? Like can I

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 5>get thatype of stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I got you, I got you. I got something

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<v Speaker 6>for both of y'all.

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 5>But it's crazy that when people staying that close to

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<v Speaker 5>you they kind of take you for.

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<v Speaker 6>Granted and said they have no idea what I was doing.

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>But like I'm a big deal out here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And but you know what's funny, Thank God that

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm reminded of it every day and I don't ever

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 5>get big headed about it, but I most certainly, you know,

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 5>periodically because both my parents have passed. Now, I would

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 5>go to the cemetery and have those conversations. Now right,

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<v Speaker 5>just even three weeks ago, I was in a space

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 5>and I say, yo, let me just go pull up

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<v Speaker 5>on my parents and save us up and just tell

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 5>them thank you for giving me this opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 5>out here making this difference in the world.

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 6>So I truly can tell you.

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 5>That it's the people that staying close to you, closest

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 5>to you, that have no idea as to what it

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 5>is that you accomplished. So my parents, most certainly, I

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 5>think had a great you know, they knew they were

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 5>doing something. I don't think they had a clue as

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<v Speaker 5>to the type of battery they put in my back

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 5>and the influence that they made on my life because

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, when it was happened and they were still

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<v Speaker 5>a bit detached from from from my world.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's that's common most people, like you said,

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 3>most people closer you don't realize you know exactly what

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 3>it is. Because my mother used to say that to

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 3>me all the time. She used to really look at

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 3>me and people we we walked somewhere and people are like, hey,

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 3>that's mine and they want to take pictures on it.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 3>She just be looking like you really somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 6>But let me tell you that.

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 5>But let me tell you a quick story about that though.

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 5>So after after so I got my doctorate in February.

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<v Speaker 5>My mom in April, probably the last week in April,

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 5>was in Mount Vernon and she was going to the

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<v Speaker 5>store and she saw Mayor Sewan Patterson and she stopped

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 5>Maya Seawan Patterson and.

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<v Speaker 6>Say, hey, are you doing?

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 5>This is Dennis's Dennis Dennis's mom, I met you on

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 5>a zoom and stuff like that, and she already knew

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 5>who my mom was.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 6>My mom didn't know she knew who she was.

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 5>And what was so dope is that my mom was

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 5>really bragging on me to Mayor Seawan Patterson.

0:31:58.960 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 6>She that was her.

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 5>That was her moment to say how proud I am

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 5>of my son because may Ha told me. But unfortunately,

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 5>the very next day, my mom had a massive massive stroke.

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 5>The next day after meeting Mayor Patterson and saying that

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 5>to her, she had a massive stroke and have never

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 5>recovered from it and unfortunately passed away a few weeks later.

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 5>But I but what was so dope about that is

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 5>that I had the mayor able to tell me what

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 5>my mother said about me, you know what I'm saying.

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 5>And then she came and spoke at my mother's funeral

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 5>and all that stuff as well. So it was dope

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 5>to know that even as she was departing this earth,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 5>she was willing to tell somebody like, I'm proud of

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 5>my son, even if she wasn't willing to tell me

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 5>you no, nothing.

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Like a Caribbean mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's there's such a it's so it's just so

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 4>hard felt as beautiful.

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>We have a friend. His name is Michael Blake, you know,

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Michael Blake.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so his mother obviously a Jamaican woman, and when

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 4>she talks about how proud she is she loves her son,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 4>and it's just a beautiful sound it is.

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a beautiful So tell us about OSG like it.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, what made you just say?

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 3>You went through every level of education you teach, Like

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.479
<v Speaker 3>who wakes up and says, I'm going to create an

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 3>organization that I pretty much deal with educator like pretty

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>much actually teach educators like, yeah, So.

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Explain to us what it is because I guess I

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>gave a little bit of it.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah no, no, no problem. So so OEG was birked

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 5>out of a labor of love. Let me just start there,

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 5>like there is there is nothing else to be said

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 5>as to why what happened was Like I said, for

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 5>the past twelve almost thirteen years now, I've been running

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 5>my own consultant firm while I'm supporting school.

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 6>Leaders across the nation.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 5>So when COVID hit those people that I was traveling

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 5>across the country to go and see and spend time

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 5>with and help them to transform their community and transform

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 5>their schools. Unfortunately, nobody was moving at that time in

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 5>the world in.

0:33:58.640 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 6>History.

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 5>This is the first anybody's ever experienced something like this

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 5>where legit, you know, superstars in the educational field was

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 5>out there on silos, was out there on islands by themselves,

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 5>and they were like, yow do I how do I.

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 6>Stay connected to the people that I helped build?

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 5>I helped build many of them to the space that

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 5>they were in. So being able to say what can

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 5>I do? What can I do to bring them together?

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 5>It was something simple. My sort is like, Okay, let's

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.439
<v Speaker 5>put them on a virtual virtual call every single week

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 5>leadership development, but give them a safe space to actually

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 5>share best practice and their emotions.

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 6>And stuff like that.

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 5>Like I said, what it turned into four years later

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 5>was what wasn't what I expected that. Really, I just

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 5>wanted to give them a space every week to be

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 5>part of a group of other leaders across the nation

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.760
<v Speaker 5>that was feeling the same thing that they was feeling,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 5>the same hurt, the same pain as fear, all that

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 5>was going.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 4>On at describe the pain, the fear and what's it

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 4>like dealing with parents.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I think the thing about, you know, the

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 5>fear and the hurt and all those things. You got

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 5>to remember people were dying around school leaders every day,

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 5>whether it was their staff members, whether it was their

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 5>the children, the children's parents, the people in the community,

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 5>their own family. So you have to say, you know,

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 5>as a school leader, people were still expecting you to

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 5>come to work and do what you got to do.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>So people were dying during COVID. I just want to

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>know nothing.

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 4>The world said, not the world, But there were people

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 4>who said, nah, this is not that. It's not it's

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 4>not different from the flu, it's the same thing.

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 5>It's real to me that that we're talking about communities

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 5>ravaged by COVID. And where it's funny there was a

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 5>point whereas churches were the hub of the community, and

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 5>during COVID, even they were shut down, even they were closed.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 5>The one place that remained opened on COVID with schools.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 5>People made sure that kids ate during that time that

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.959
<v Speaker 5>principles had to go to schools sometimes to make sure

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 5>that the that the technology the kids needed for remote

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 5>learning was happening, but at the same time leaving their

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 5>own family at home. So you can imagine the fear

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 5>you didn't know if you walk outside, that that COVID

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 5>was gonna jump on you the moment.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 6>You step out the door.

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.359
<v Speaker 5>But that's what people had to deal with, and so

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 5>the fear of them catching COVID leaving their house was

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 5>something that they were fearful of.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 6>But the more and more.

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 5>You realized that you weren't dealing with this by yourself,

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 5>when you was dealing with it with a collective other

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 5>group of people. Then we can cry together, we can

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 5>laugh together, we can talk about this stuff together, we

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 5>can share best practice on things we're doing. But I

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 5>think what really tell what's the teller, the telltale, the

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 5>telltale of this right now is when I think.

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 6>About why it was necessary.

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 5>It was necessary because nobody else was doing nothing for them.

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 5>They was expected to go to work, they were essential workers,

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 5>and nobody called them a say workers.

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying.

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 5>Remember this not only were kids expected to learn, but

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 5>kids were expected to eat. Many of our students were

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 5>coming to school every day if nothing else to eat.

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Now you got COVID that shut it down for eighteen months.

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 5>Somebody got to go make sure that door is open.

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 5>Somebody got to go make sure that, you know, the

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 5>the kitchen staff is preparing lunch and breakfast for kids

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 5>who may not be able to eat. So during those times,

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 5>it was a space where school leaders just didn't have

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 5>they didn't have a support group. Everybody had a support

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.439
<v Speaker 5>group with them, and I just felt like, you know what,

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 5>I have to do something about it. And that's the

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, the idea of off school grounds is to

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 5>think about it this way. All the problems that we

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 5>were dealing with in the schools, where did it happened

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 5>off school grounds. We talk about food and securities all

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 5>school grounds, tech gap off school grounds, financial literacy issues

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 5>all school grounds. So it was it was I think

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 5>a fitting a fitting name for an organization because during

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 5>the pandemic, everything that was done was done off school grounds,

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 5>and the principals needed a space in which to come

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 5>and actually share their best practices and stuff like that

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:09.959
<v Speaker 5>as well. So that's where it came from the whole

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 5>the whole concept of off school grounds.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So so, so explain to what is what is it? Now?

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I'm it's now it's a it's actually a

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 5>non for profit organization right now, that focus is on

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 5>leadership development, with the focus being on school leaders leading

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 5>communities now, right, because again, during the time of the

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 5>one of the one of the biggest tragedies of this

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 5>of this of this country's history, who was there doing it?

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, everybody talked about leading communities. But the one period,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 5>one group of people I was always leading communities were

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 5>school leaders, right, And so I felt like I needed

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 5>to do something more after the pandemic, which was let

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 5>me allow.

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 6>For people to start learning from school leaders.

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 5>Now, So if you were if you were mayor if

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 5>you are if you're a city council, if you a senator,

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 5>instead of thinking that you have the answer, why don't

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 5>you sit down and talk to a principal and allow

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 5>principal to provide the leadership development that you need to

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 5>understand how to run a community. Right, The greatest intel

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.800
<v Speaker 5>about what's happening in the community is coming from schools

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 5>and school leaders. So why if we're going to change communities,

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 5>don't you have school leaders at the table.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 6>It makes no sense to me exactly.

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.240
<v Speaker 5>And so now we've had we've gotten to that place

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 5>now where I'm saying that there are now when when

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 5>mayors and chancellors and everybody else, before they go into office,

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 5>most of them come on my weekly zoom meeting with

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 5>the principles.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 6>Why because they need to know what they need to.

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 5>Do when they get in office. You know, I had

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 5>a conference at Columbia University this weekend to begin It

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 5>was I mean, well over five hundred leaders from across

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 5>the nation. And one of the thank you, and one

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 5>of my one of my brothers, who's now mayor of Gary, Indiana,

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 5>Eddie Melton, was an attendance. He came all the way

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 5>from Gary to learn from these these leaders, and he said,

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 5>I put him on a panel with four other school

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 5>leaders to teach him and to tell him how to now.

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 6>Do that stuff in his school district.

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 5>And so the leadership, I felt like it needed to

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 5>be done by way of what's happening with the schools.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 5>And I think the school leaders themselves are the true

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 5>community leaders now, not saying that they're not that that

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 5>other people aren't there, other leaders aren't trying and aren't

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 5>doing great things. I just say that most of what

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 5>we're trying to fix, you can be it can be

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 5>found in schools.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 5>If we say there's issues around poverty, how do you

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 5>see that?

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 6>Where do you see that? Mostly you see it in

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 6>school and their families.

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 5>So that's why I think the concept of off school

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 5>grounds is a not for profit organization is now to

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 5>create the space where educational leaders are the ones teaching

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 5>other leaders throughout the community how to lead, how to

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 5>lead young people and things like that.

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 6>And so that's what that's what it's, you know, it's

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 6>what it has become. That has become.

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So how important first of all, do you engage parents?

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 4>And how important would you say parent participation is in

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 4>the process, Like do you believe I know some parents

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 4>that their kids are doing really well and they're not active.

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 4>It's not they don't have time, they got two jobs, this,

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 4>and that they may or may not be a dad

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 4>or mom, more than likely not a dad, and they

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 4>just don't have the time. But they tell their kids

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 4>don't have that damn school, call me about anything. And

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 4>that's when they get involved the point that the phone

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.280
<v Speaker 4>r yes. So what would you say about parent involvement?

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 4>Is it parent involvement or is it just having a

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 4>good household?

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Like, Yeah, I think it's I think it's both. I think,

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 5>you know, parent engagement is important. I think having a

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, a solid household is important. However, in many

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 5>instances that's not the case, right, And that's why I

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 5>say schools have become the hub. Schools have become in

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 5>some instances, parents have become the family, have become that personally.

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:01.240
<v Speaker 6>I was experienced.

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 5>I experienced something about two weeks ago in a school

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 5>where there was a young lady who came to school

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 5>and she began to ask the staff members and then

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 5>ended up with the principal and ask could they adopt

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 5>her because she was being bounced from foster care to

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 5>foster care and she wanted something more stable. That she

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 5>got to the point, at thirteen fourteen years old, of

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 5>feeling comfortable of asking them to be her parent. And

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 5>so I think, I think parents do as good of

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 5>a job as they can in many instances, and I

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 5>think we should hold them account. But I also know

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 5>that if a person's working two jobs, if a person

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 5>is doing their very best. I think as a school

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 5>we can do a little bit more and we can't

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 5>look at it from the traditional sense of what parent

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 5>engagement is. Coming to a PTA meeting isn't always about

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 5>parent engagement, you know what I mean? Sometimes you got

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 5>to say to yourself, if that parent just again drops

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 5>their child off in the morning and you say good morning,

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 5>they say good morning, that's engagement, right. It don't have

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 5>to be let's go sit down at a bake sale

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 5>and cookies and all that stuff like that. But I

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 5>am saying that the schools I put great I put

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 5>a great emphasis on school leaders stepping in in areas

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 5>that there are there are these voids because our community

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 5>has been this way.

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 6>Forever, right, anybody the girl, you know.

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 5>What, it's funny. And I actually had somebody in another

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 5>borough reach out to the principal and they were looking

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.720
<v Speaker 5>to place a girl and in this new household. So yeah,

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 5>so it was it's one of those things, you know,

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 5>family that we got to get to the understanding that

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 5>what things used to look like and be it's not

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 5>the same no more. It's not the same that when

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 5>we say again, parent engagement again, if a mom is

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 5>doing the very best she can as a single mom

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 5>or dad as a single dad, and you and their

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 5>child is having difficulties right with the mental anguish that

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 5>many of our kids are going through. A parent can't

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 5>help that all the time.

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 6>What are you gonna do? Beat them?

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 5>Like, you got to say to yourself, the way the

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 5>world has changed over the past three to four years,

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 5>and they people talk about learning.

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 6>Laws, guess who else experienced learning laws? Parents?

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 5>A parent is now expected to do things that they

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 5>didn't expect, didn't know how to do. You set that

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 5>kid on for eighteen months and you tell this parent

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 5>to now teach.

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 1>That's how long we were out of school.

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 6>And eighteen months.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:36.359
<v Speaker 5>And so you got to say, if we talk about

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 5>learning loss for children, we got to think about learning

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 5>loss for every adult that was responsible for working with

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 5>children as well. Again, a kid is home with one

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 5>hot spot and four siblings and a mom and a

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 5>dad who is trying to just you know, pay bills.

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's a very difficult concept to understand and grasp.

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 5>And we got to become honest about that that the

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 5>majority parents out here that are doing the best that

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 5>they can need to be acknowledged for that and in

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 5>the schools we got a lot of resources.

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 6>We got a lot of money in schools.

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 5>People say we don't, but there's enough money for us

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 5>to think about ways to support families and communities. And

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 5>so I say that parent engagement is one of them.

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 5>I also think when another thing that is evolved and

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 5>changed is how children are learning. There is this new generation.

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 5>It's out for generation of young people. This is a

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 5>new generation. They were born with iPads and iPhones in

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 5>their hands. And what happened was we send them for

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 5>eighteen months they use iPhones and iPads and laptops. Now

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 5>they come back to school, you take away the laptops,

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.399
<v Speaker 5>the iPhones and iPads, and kids are expected to learn

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:43.359
<v Speaker 5>through textbooks again.

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 6>So they're in lies again. A need for us to

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 6>have those conversations with people.

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.240
<v Speaker 5>That are making the real decisions for our children, because

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 5>if you're not an educated don't know this, If you

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 5>don't see this every day, you don't understand that. So

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 5>the evolution of education has gotten to a point where

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 5>we have to become really radical about our approach. Now,

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 5>and let's stop blaming people for that stuff. Let's stop

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 5>diagnosing the problem and saying, well, you know, parents aren't involved.

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 5>We've been saying that for as long as I've been,

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 5>as long as I've been alive. Right, Oh, parents aren't involved.

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 5>Parents aren't involved. But there's still people who are successful

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 5>as a result of it, you know what I'm saying.

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 5>So at one time, it was because the church helped,

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 5>it was because of basketball programs helped, the YMCA's help.

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 5>And when those things went away, the one thing that

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 5>say constant was a school.

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm just amazingming because I remember during COVID when you know,

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I first met you and I came on to the

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 3>zoom yeah you know, and that's when I had my

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 3>first book, Yes you know, I know my rights and

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 3>it was all these educators on it and it was

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 3>just and I was like wow, and everybody was engaging.

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:45.320
<v Speaker 2>It was deemed dash.

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 3>It was so many different people and the experience was

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 3>just amazed, just experience, And a lot of people reached

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 3>out to me. A lot of principles reached out to me.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 3>I built relationships with them. They brought me when school

0:46:58.600 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 3>got back in, they brought me this.

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 3>It created a network. So just watching Full Circle, going

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>to the conference and being in the room with all

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 3>these educators and the dope educators black and mainly black

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 3>and Hispanic educators that come from where we come from,

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and the brilliant individuals, and it got swag, you know

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying, And it's like understanding, this is this

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 3>is the education that our kids are going to respect.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 3>And then when you go into you brought me into

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 3>each of the rooms where the educators are teaching their

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 3>classes or they're having their seminars in each room and

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 3>each breakout session, and one is talking about how you

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 3>engage the kids and about understanding that they're gonna be

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 3>people that push back. And then one is giving you

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 3>methods and strategies to understand on how the when of

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 3>the kids learning and what needs to be present. And

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 3>then there's one talking about how do you use the

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 3>internet and hip hop to teach the kids? And it's

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 3>just like wow, this is innovative ways of thinking that

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I've always understood, especially young Black boys, because they say

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 3>that we are the ones that are not engaged.

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>What do you say about that that?

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know what, again, I think that's where you

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 5>break down the silos and that's when you allow other

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, other professions such as hip hop and and

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, politics and other things in the room. Right,

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 5>because young people, especially boys, what they they gonna be

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:23.399
<v Speaker 5>what they see and if they don't see themselves as

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 5>anything other.

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 6>Than basketball players, drug dealers, or rappers, that's all they

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 6>gonna be.

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 5>One of the things I wanted to make happen is

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 5>I want you to understand that being a principal is cool.

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying. Being a school leader is cool.

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 5>Like running your own educational culture consulting firm is cool.

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 5>And I'm gonna do it in Jordan's and I'm gonna

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.360
<v Speaker 5>do it in air Max and I'm gonna make sure

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 5>that I'm I'm you know, swagged out with it. But

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 5>I think I want to keep pushing the narrative. Is

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 5>that what we thought principals and school leaders were like,

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 5>that's not the real that's not the real deal. When

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 5>people say that educators there's only two or three percent

0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 5>of educators that are black males, that might be true

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 5>until you put the two percent in a room like

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 5>you saw at the conference. When you see two hundred

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 5>black male educators in the room, that changes the narrative now, right,

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 5>But it also means if we all pull up to

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 5>somebody's school as black educators, that kid who was saying,

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 5>you know what, what do y'all do, He's not gonna

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.319
<v Speaker 5>look at me as homicide. He's not gonna look at

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 5>me as a detective because I'm now telling him, no,

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 5>I was a principal for ten years. I've been in

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.439
<v Speaker 5>education for thirty years. So now he aspires.

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 6>To be that.

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 5>And so I think one of the things that I

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 5>talked about at the conference was us in us stopping

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 5>this this reputation bashing around education. Right, we keep passing

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 5>this dirty needle about education being a bad thing. We

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:51.280
<v Speaker 5>don't get enough money, it's just stressful job, it's challenging,

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.759
<v Speaker 5>all that stuff like that. I'm like, why would a

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 5>kid didn't want to be me? Why would a kid

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 5>want to be me when he just heard you say

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 5>how bad of a professionist is? So I'm saying, let's

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 5>be real about it now. Let's talk about education from

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 5>the perspective of real being game changers and us being

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 5>able to do it and say be our authentic selves

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 5>and doing so. But when you see it for yourself

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 5>as you did this weekend, and have you been seeing

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 5>and again, Tomika, you've been in You've been in a

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:20.840
<v Speaker 5>lot of schools too, of course.

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 2>And you see it.

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 6>You see a lot of black educators.

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 4>I see a lot of black but I do not

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 4>see a lot of black male educators. Yes, and certainly

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 4>not a lot of black male principles, although I probably

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 4>know more male black male principles than I do black

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 4>mail teachers.

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but you see, that's the thing, right, because we

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 5>are out here. It's just that we just don't have

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 5>a platform to be showcased. Hence, that's why I have

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 5>a conference, That's why I do my weekly zooms. That's

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 5>why I do my best to bring hip hop and

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 5>advocacy and everything into the into this space because we

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.399
<v Speaker 5>need your voices to amplify that they are out here,

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, because when my song can, I mean every

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 5>Friday in New Jersey with our boy Ocball Cook principle

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 5>of Westside High. You've met Principal Rod from Compton, one

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.800
<v Speaker 5>of my other principal friends who's a principal at a

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 5>jail in Chicago mcgron. But we don't see it right.

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 4>And and no one is going to exploit it. If

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 4>you will, They're not going to promote it. They don't

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 4>want that. I mean, how does that work in favor

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 4>of those who don't want to see black men succeed?

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, just speaking of that as.

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 4>We wind down, were talking or you mentioned politics several times,

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.759
<v Speaker 4>and during our recent interview with Congressman Bowman, who was

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 4>also a principal, he talked about wanting to run for

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 4>office because he understood from a policy perspective that everything

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 4>happening within the school, whether it's the children that needs

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 4>to eat to your point, whether it's the you know,

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 4>the abuse that kids are suffering, or families that are

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 4>not secure, housing insecurities, all of that is directly connected

0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 4>to policy decisions at the local, state, and federal level.

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 4>So how does your organization consider that as part of

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, your advocacy and what you're attempting to do.

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 5>So, so again, I'll mention that at our conference, we

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 5>actually had the we had the New York State Border

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 5>Regions Chancellor Lester Young, doctor Lester Young, who was our

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 5>keynote speaker, and one of the things that he and

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 5>I are working on currently is to is to get

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 5>OSG and principles from across the nation to actually come

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 5>up to Albany more frequently to lobby.

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 6>For what needs, what the needs are in our community.

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 5>And so I use him as an as an example

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 5>because we do have people in those places. Right, you know,

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 5>we're talking about the border regions of New York State.

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 5>That man is over every city, every school pretty much

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 5>in New York State. So in conversing with him, he

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 5>sees this and he says, I didn't even know this

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.440
<v Speaker 5>existed this way. So that means mean when I have

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 5>something that needs to be lobbied for, I can call

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 5>on always g to come up and to be a

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 5>part of that. And I said, absolutely yes. But because

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 5>we're you know Tomika, we we talked about a minute ago,

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 5>because we're not seen in that space.

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 6>They don't know we exist.

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 5>So needing you all and other you know, that's where

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:23.479
<v Speaker 5>the hip hop, you know, that's where the hip hop

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, family comes into play. Is because somebody's gonna

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 5>listen to my song as he stands close to me

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 5>a little different than I'm standing by myself. Right, They're

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 5>gonna stand They're gonna listen to Freeway and Dame and

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 5>Jada and all those other people if they stand next

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 5>to me about education, and so I think in terms

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 5>of politics, I'm also engaging and that's why the conversations

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 5>around leadership and that if a if a mayor or

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 5>for an elected official are speaking to principles now and

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 5>they ask us, well, what's the problems, and we tell

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 5>you what the problems are, and they said, we just

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 5>need y'all to come and lobby for it, and we

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 5>take a picture.

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:03.000
<v Speaker 6>Then let's go do that.

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 5>So I do think that politics and education actually go

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.319
<v Speaker 5>hand in hand. I think again, we make people run

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 5>away from politics because of some of the politicians that

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 5>we see that have you know, been in the history

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 5>of this country. We don't want our kids to get

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 5>into it. But we got to make it cool again, right,

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, we got to make everything that we do cool,

0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, from again being a politician to being an educator,

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 5>we have to be able to make it look cool.

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 5>So I do push this narrative once again that as

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 5>an educator, what works for me is to be able

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 5>to say, you know what to me. I mean, I've

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 5>been in space with you and Yandy, you know, coming

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.280
<v Speaker 5>to the schools and doing some dope things with children.

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 5>But as an educator, that makes me proud because I

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:49.960
<v Speaker 5>know they didn't come on the strength of them just themselves.

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 5>They came to be a part of a community, you

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 5>know what I'm saying. They were part of the whole

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.920
<v Speaker 5>hub of the school at that moment. So I just

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 5>I just think in terms of politics, I just try

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 5>keep things real simple. You know, a lot of times

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:05.440
<v Speaker 5>things aren't happening because people don't really know what's happening.

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 5>And I do have a thing that I tell people.

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.799
<v Speaker 5>There's an inner city and there's an inner inner city. Right,

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 5>most people never know what's happening on the inner inner city.

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 5>You don't really know what's happening in Brownsville, you know

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 5>what I'm saying. Do you know what happened in Ocean Hill?

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 5>You don't really know what's happening in the South Bronx.

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 5>You know what's happening in the North Bronx by White

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 5>Plains Road. You don't always know what's happening in Mount

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 5>Vernon because you think it's west Chester and you don't

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 5>understand that, you know, we would we were transformed from

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.919
<v Speaker 5>money earning Mount Vernon to Murderville, you know, during that time,

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 5>So people don't quite get it. And I don't expect

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 5>them to. But then that's when we all collectively have

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:41.839
<v Speaker 5>to tell them.

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 6>Tell a story.

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying, Tell the real story, and

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.640
<v Speaker 5>that the things that are being wrapped about or talked

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.879
<v Speaker 5>about in conjunction with us standing alongside of you said,

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:51.479
<v Speaker 5>that's real.

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 6>You know, we got one of.

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 5>Our principles just two days ago, was dealing with a

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:59.320
<v Speaker 5>shooting outside of his school, and that got some local press.

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 5>But it's not the same as if they if this

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 5>was a shooting in some other community, like it's almost normal,

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.359
<v Speaker 5>they normalize it, or when they do it, they bring

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 5>they when they bring the media there is to tear

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.239
<v Speaker 5>him down. It's not to tell the story of the

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 5>gun violence and the community that they have to he

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.760
<v Speaker 5>has to fight through every day just to educate children.

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 5>So I do think that there has to be a

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 5>stronger emphasis on us partnering with all the everybody who

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 5>makes up our community, our black community, and you all

0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 5>are most certainly the people that we turn to to

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 5>help us to do that. Because my conference was dope,

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 5>But my conference was dope because my song came, and

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 5>Earn Your Leisure came, and Dame Dash came and Freeway

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 5>came and Graft came because they no one has ever

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<v Speaker 5>seen a collective group of people like this doing what

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<v Speaker 5>we did for young people. So that's really, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>my story about this is that this is you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a conversation about how we've got to be more inclusive

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<v Speaker 5>about the changes needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Contributor to what you think that conference dope because y'allays did.

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<v Speaker 3>We was looking like wow, and and all of us

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<v Speaker 3>and your leaders like, yo, this is dope. Just seeing

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<v Speaker 3>educators in the room like that have that much energy

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.520
<v Speaker 3>and really wanted to learn, like they were sitting there.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to be able to You can look and

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<v Speaker 3>see these people that just got a job and they're like, yo,

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:18.440
<v Speaker 3>I got to go to this, No, we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to educate our kids. And I've seen them

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<v Speaker 3>taking notes and I've seen when they heard something good

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<v Speaker 3>and it was writing it down like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to see for educators.

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<v Speaker 5>But I want you guys also to ass as artists

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<v Speaker 5>to understand too that we have been transformed because of

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 5>what y'all did for us too, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's what I'm saying that let's not get into

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<v Speaker 5>that into the habit of believing that art in competition

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<v Speaker 5>of who Yes, exactly, because I know as a principle,

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm driving to work listening to the hip hop and

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 5>I know principles are still doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>So you all are part of who we've become.

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:56.600
<v Speaker 5>And so you all look at us and all we

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 5>look at y'all and all, and everybody's like, Yo, this

0:57:58.760 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 5>is dope.

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:01.040
<v Speaker 6>And that's this. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to say I appreciate you, thank you.

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Let them know where to find you. Absolutely, give them

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 2>all your socials.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So is it a nonprofit?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, nonprofit.

0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:11.919
<v Speaker 1>People can send you money.

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<v Speaker 5>They can they can. So go to the Official Off

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<v Speaker 5>school Grounds Official OSG on Instagram and Facebook.

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<v Speaker 6>You can find it. Dennis mckezy on LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a brother right here, Dennis mckeesy, who is doing

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<v Speaker 4>something about our young people. And and and you can't

0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 4>help anyone if you if you can't.

0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Heal, if you are not healed.

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<v Speaker 4>And so to provide a space for educators to go

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:36.680
<v Speaker 4>and leaders to go so that they can pour out

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 4>all the things and the ideas and the creativity and

0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 4>the pain and frustration and then be poured back into

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<v Speaker 4>so that they can go and pour into our children.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is critical work. You're doing critical work.

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<v Speaker 4>We support you one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank y'all. Family.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate y'all. Thank you, thank you, my pleasure, thank y'all,

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<v Speaker 5>thank y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my boy Jennis mackezie.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>The work he's doing is evolutionary, revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 1>You get tell he's passionate about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, man, like you got to see him in his mold.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>He's in the schools, he's mentoring, and he's dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>the teachers and the principles, and they engaged.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.520
<v Speaker 3>You could tell he actually loves what he does many

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<v Speaker 3>and they just recently celebrated four years. So that's it's

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<v Speaker 3>been four years since COVID because that's when it started

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 3>during COVID, and that's when I was first on the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that he has helped to dispel the.

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Myth that ain't no black men teaching, no well.

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<v Speaker 4>Also the COVID thing. But you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>important to mention again. And I didn't want to cut

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<v Speaker 4>him off, but that a lot of people didn't die

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<v Speaker 4>because they had COVID. They died because America and our

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<v Speaker 4>systems are incompetent.

0:59:57.160 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Someone said to me the other day, let us.

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<v Speaker 4>Have aspirational language versus having using language that is always

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<v Speaker 4>so so much of an indictment. So, yes, there are

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<v Speaker 4>many things that are done properly within the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 4>People's lives have been saved. Healthcare workers are doing an

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<v Speaker 4>incredible job with a little bit they have.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say the system, I am.

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<v Speaker 4>Not talking about nurse and even doctor so and so,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that America, fundamentally the systems the way it

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<v Speaker 4>is designed.

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<v Speaker 1>There is so much racism.

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<v Speaker 4>There is so much just inequity that exists that even

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<v Speaker 4>if you are nurse or a doctor that is attempting

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<v Speaker 4>to do the right thing, you don't always have the

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<v Speaker 4>tools that you need, or the support that you need,

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<v Speaker 4>the resources that you need, and the research that you

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<v Speaker 4>need to work, especially in certain communities.

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<v Speaker 1>And so hopefully what we learn earned from a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, everybody's oh, you know Trump, it

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<v Speaker 4>was better because we got a check with his signature

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<v Speaker 4>on it. Well, guess what other checks he cashed While

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<v Speaker 4>he was or sent out to people while he was

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<v Speaker 4>in office. He sent the check out of delaying the

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<v Speaker 4>process for people to even get the healthcare support that

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<v Speaker 4>they needed.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were people who he wouldn't send masks.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, the Republican Party voted against even

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<v Speaker 4>giving people checks. As much as I can challenge Nancy

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<v Speaker 4>Pelosi and all of these folks, I will tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>That they were the ones that fought to get checks

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<v Speaker 1>into the.

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<v Speaker 4>Pockets the bank account true and the pockets of American citizens.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was because Donald Trump was either ignoring the

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<v Speaker 4>crisis and his administration and or they were trying to

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<v Speaker 4>cover it up because they did not want during a

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<v Speaker 4>political season for his legacy to be impacted by COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's so much that can be said about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I guess we got to close the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave you the PPP, but not.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the pop. That's dope. That was a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>But that brings me to my I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>What don't you get mister Linnon?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what is the infatuation that the

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<v Speaker 2>world has with who someone's fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you care about who somebody else is having

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<v Speaker 3>sex with. What is the infatuation with other people in

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<v Speaker 3>their sex life? That this world like everywhere you go,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's telling you, oh, such and such as having sex,

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<v Speaker 3>and this person's like, why do people kids so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Most people who are highly successful and busy or trying

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<v Speaker 4>to be successful don't. They might hear about it in

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<v Speaker 4>passing and laugh about it and maybe share mean with

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<v Speaker 4>a friend, but they don't. They don't really care that much.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just certain types of people that are so

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<v Speaker 4>into other people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't really know because it isn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Really the way that I see it in life is

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<v Speaker 4>that everybody, unless you are abstinent, is sleeping with somebody

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully are engaged in consensual behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's please God, please.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know why people care so much. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know why people care so much about who's gay.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the most it's just so I don't I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't at first of all, I don't believe in outing

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<v Speaker 4>people or trying to force people to say who they

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<v Speaker 4>sleep with.

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<v Speaker 1>I would.

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to know that if you are in

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<v Speaker 4>a relationship with me, you know, or with a person,

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<v Speaker 4>that you do your due diligence to let them know

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<v Speaker 4>about your lifestyle choices.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know why it's such a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So and so it's gay and such and such, like

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<v Speaker 1>why why do you want to out people in that

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<v Speaker 1>I never I'm never understood that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think in that term, it's that people

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<v Speaker 2>not being honest. Well, nobody else but you.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is, if you, if you're around, even if you,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not in a sexual relationship with somebody, and

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<v Speaker 3>you in somebody's face commonly, and that's something that people

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<v Speaker 3>should want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with that. If first of all it

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<v Speaker 4>is it is sexist. Let me tell you why it's sexist.

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<v Speaker 4>And in this case, I'm gonna say it's sexist for

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<v Speaker 4>men against men, because most men do not care who

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<v Speaker 4>a woman sleeps with. In a group of friends, a

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<v Speaker 4>group of friends, I'm hanging out with you, Janus Anastasia,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll crewe everybody, and I sleep with women as a woman,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm telling you that nobody is going to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would feel weird, like why would you worry about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 4>So now let me turn that I don't get it

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<v Speaker 4>back on you. Why are you infatuated with who I'm

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<v Speaker 4>noting with?

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<v Speaker 1>That's my business. It like Tabitha Brown said, that's my business.

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<v Speaker 2>If we close proximity, we call ourselves friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So I gotta tell you what if you got.

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<v Speaker 2>To tell me? But I'm just thinking if you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell me, then that would make me wonder why.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe because I'm a private person and I just don't

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<v Speaker 4>want anybody to know what I do. But at that point,

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<v Speaker 4>then the only time that I need friendship the only No,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not, because friendship doesn't mean that you have to

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<v Speaker 4>know every single thing about me. The only time that

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<v Speaker 4>I need to tell you that I'm sleeping with anybody

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, whatever my situation, My preferences are my. Whatever

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<v Speaker 4>it is is if now I'm about to sleep with you,

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<v Speaker 4>but if long as you and I are not together,

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<v Speaker 4>who I'm sleeping with should not be your concern.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it shouldn't. I hate what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think, and I think it's sexist towards men

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<v Speaker 4>because what usually what generally happen is that men who

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<v Speaker 4>are around other men feel that they should know that

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<v Speaker 4>one of the guys is gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what happens is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also because it's also perception right right, Because if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hanging with somebody that's gay and everybody else knows

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<v Speaker 3>they're gay except me, then what happens is there can

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<v Speaker 3>be some people can draw a conclusion about something that

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<v Speaker 3>might not be there.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so but what if the person doesn't talk to

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<v Speaker 4>people period about what they do. They do their thing

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<v Speaker 4>with whoever they people are, but they're not a person

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<v Speaker 4>like most people around.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying people should until a person is actually sexual

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<v Speaker 4>or in an intimate relationship with you, they should be

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<v Speaker 4>able to.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's different from Yeah, I know it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's different for men. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it's sexist. I just think there's a reality that's based

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<v Speaker 3>on society, that reality that.

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<v Speaker 2>We deal with right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Answering your own question, well, the question you have asked

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<v Speaker 4>and answer the question that society places different values.

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<v Speaker 3>But on we are somebody else on the internet or celebrito,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a different thing than somebody said it's that's inclosed

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<v Speaker 3>to It's.

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<v Speaker 4>The same mindset that people have decided that they have

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<v Speaker 4>a right to know about someone's personal thing that they

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<v Speaker 4>might want to keep to themselves, right that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>want to the only time you should want to know

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<v Speaker 4>about somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you it's different from it's different from men.

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<v Speaker 3>If the reality that we live with in America is

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<v Speaker 3>if a straight man hangs up with a gay man

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<v Speaker 3>on a daily basis, nobody believes that they're not there's

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<v Speaker 3>not something going on. That's just the reality. Unfortunately, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just the fact. If you see a straight man hang

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<v Speaker 3>out with a gay man.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't use the term straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if you see a heterosexual man hang out with

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<v Speaker 3>a gay man, then there's an assumption that there's some

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<v Speaker 3>level of a relationship there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the reality that we deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>So standing in that reality, I think a man who

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<v Speaker 3>understands that he's gay and likes man should give you

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity or.

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<v Speaker 2>To know that.

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<v Speaker 4>I just all I would say to the is sexist brothers.

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<v Speaker 4>Fight for yourselves. Don't let these people make y'all feel

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<v Speaker 4>like y'all got to tell people stuff. But don't be

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<v Speaker 4>out here having sex with people and not telling people.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you are and.

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<v Speaker 4>What you are, what your preferences are. Because that ship

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<v Speaker 4>is dangerous. So that's that's it. So you answered your

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<v Speaker 4>own question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I answered. I answered another question. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't my own question.

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<v Speaker 6>No you did.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why people are infatuated, because people place value on

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<v Speaker 4>certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to know who you sleep with, They want

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if you say so. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing.

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