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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How are my friends here, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Emily and Griffin doing?

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Speaker 3: Do be here?

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Speaker 2: I felt the need to specify this week because last

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Speaker 2: week there was some confusion whether I was saying good

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Speaker 4: Good morning to everybody out there.

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Speaker 5: Also, thank you. I'd like that you enter the whole

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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome. Lots of interesting stuff, Griffin,

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Speaker 2: what all do we have this morning?

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Speaker 6: Oh boy, So we're going to be talking a lot

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Speaker 6: about we're doing a little victory of lap at the

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Speaker 6: top here with Ryan Grimm. Let's just get right to

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Speaker 6: that and then we'll get to the other stories. Ryan

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Speaker 6: has been doing reporting at drop Site News about Microsoft

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Speaker 6: and Israeli surveillance, and there was a little victory over

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Speaker 6: the last some good news for once. So we had

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Speaker 6: this story that Ryan didn't drop site a few months ago.

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Speaker 6: The Israeli military is one of Microsoft's top AI customers,

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Speaker 6: leaked documents reveal and now we've seen that Microsoft, as

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Speaker 6: of I believe yesterday, is blocking Israel's use of its

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Speaker 6: technology in mass surveillance of Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, your reaction, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And we covered this, you know, multiple times on the

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Speaker 4: program here too. But yeah, the backstory is we were

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Speaker 4: we got a a trove of internal documents from Microsoft

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Speaker 4: that showed the amount of work and the type and

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Speaker 4: the type of work that they were doing for the

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Speaker 4: Israeli Ministry of Defense and showed that it skyrocketed aft

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Speaker 4: or October seventh. And what we did is we reached

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Speaker 4: out to nine seven two, which is the Israeli Palestinian

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Speaker 4: news outlet that had previously done some incredible work on

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Speaker 4: the IDF's use of AI in targeting. Like if you remember,

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Speaker 4: you might remember that story that they did where they

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Speaker 4: exposed this program called Where's Daddy, Where's Daddy, where they

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Speaker 4: and in particular euvon Abraham, who has the Israeli investigative

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Speaker 4: reporter who's done the best work during this genocide is

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Speaker 4: all he was also if you remember, one of the

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Speaker 4: leading people involved with No Other Land that that won

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Speaker 4: the UH that won the OSCAR. A lot of good

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Speaker 4: people at that you know, at the site of the

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Speaker 4: the filmmakers. We also brought in The Guardian, which still

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Speaker 4: collectively we published these documents in January of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: and subsequently you've all did some deeper reporting with his

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Speaker 4: sources in Israel, exposing more specifically, you know what precisely

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Speaker 4: Microsoft's technology was being used for. Because what we could

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Speaker 4: tell is that this AZOR, this cloud computing software was

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Speaker 4: being used at an extraordinary scale, but the contracts and

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Speaker 4: being used for was illegal by any stretch, surveillance of

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Speaker 4: The real credit to me belongs to Microsoft employees, not

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Speaker 4: we're hearing you, we're responding to this. What actually happens

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Speaker 4: for you know this this what what Microsoft is saying

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Speaker 4: is you know, against the rules, and was was done surreptitiously,

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Speaker 4: was was done duplicitously. Whether Microsoft actually was okay with it, like,

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Speaker 4: all of this continues to need investigation, but it does

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Speaker 4: show that there is still an ability to you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely. But you know again, once that

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Speaker 2: least something to distance themselves from that. Ryan correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, But I think this is the first

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Speaker 2: And then the other thing I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 2: football league they might be kicked down of they might

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Speaker 2: Besides saying listen, we're actually going to protect this flotilla.

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Speaker 2: But then again, I have felt those glimmers of hope

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Speaker 8: So how do you think about those things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been some pressure on tech platforms before, and

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Speaker 4: is by far the biggest victory on this front, to say,

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Speaker 4: like Microsoft is you know, one of the giants. Now

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Speaker 4: there's still Oracle, there's still you know, they have places

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Speaker 4: that they can go to do this work. But every time,

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Speaker 4: every time their universe shrinks a little bit, it comes

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Speaker 4: with a cost, you know. So yes, I think like

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Speaker 4: say that at this scale it is unprecedent. And you're right, Uh,

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Speaker 4: it comes at the same time that they're you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know what's your European soccer and uh, there was

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Speaker 4: this attempt this week by Israeli media to say that

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Speaker 4: that they were not there was not going to be

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Speaker 4: a vote and they're not going to be kicked out

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Speaker 4: of the European Soccer League. That turned out, apparently to

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Speaker 4: like get activist pressure, a way to to basically demoralize

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Speaker 4: the people that were involved. And we're putting pressure on

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Speaker 4: all of the European governments to say we don't want

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Speaker 4: these uh, won't want this genocidal country playing in our

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Speaker 4: that that still seems like it's happening, like you said,

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Speaker 4: sending ships. They're saying that they're they're to not not

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Speaker 4: to militarily engage the Israeli drones, but to you know,

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Speaker 4: rescue people if if the ships are sunk. But still

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Speaker 4: any action at all is something new on the scene.

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Speaker 2: Well it looks particularly interesting because it's not like Maloney

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Speaker 4: She attacked the flotilla wall the ship is going on

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, verbally it's important to specify these things at

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Speaker 5: The other interesting element that I was to give to

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Speaker 4: To Ryan, that's an interesting point in the past. Even

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Speaker 4: They they bought these products, told us they were going

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Speaker 4: to you know, use it just for you know, storing

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Speaker 4: like to you know, enforce our terms of service and

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Speaker 4: to punish us if we if we punish Israel. So

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Speaker 4: Microsoft clearly made the calculation that they are in a

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Speaker 4: that is an interesting window into this moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is, I mean, who's in New

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Speaker 5: You in your an anti summit.

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Speaker 3: Will there be that on the right? Will you willie?

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Speaker 2: to his events and all of this energy, and you know,

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Speaker 2: certainly they're trying to get Janet Mills who's the sitting

439
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Speaker 2: governor into the race, and it's not going to be

440
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Speaker 2: a sure thing for her whatsoever that she wins in

441
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Speaker 2: the Democratic primary because he's been willing to be so

442
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Speaker 2: incredibly morally clear. So yeah, I mean they're so far behind,

443
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Speaker 2: still trying to find a way to like, how can

444
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Speaker 2: we massage our position, how can we find some moderate

445
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Speaker 2: path that's going to please both sides, And it's like,

446
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Speaker 2: first of all, on the Democratic Party in terms of

447
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 2: the base, there is no both sides, Like basically the

448
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: whole party is now like it's a genocide, we need

449
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Speaker 2: to cut off weapons. What is wrong with you? This

450
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Speaker 2: is a moral complete atrocity. It's one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: crimes of our time. And they still seem to think

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Speaker 2: that there's you know, within their own coalition, their attention,

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Speaker 2: great tension exists, that doesn't The only place that tension

454
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Speaker 2: exists is on their donor phone calls, which is why

455
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Speaker 2: you see the result that you do.

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Speaker 4: My final question speaking at the un FOOD as he

457
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Speaker 4: came out here, and I guess a bunch of people

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Speaker 4: got to escort it out. This is not this is

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Speaker 4: not normal u N. Yeah, the u N is a

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Speaker 4: pretty staid like like very you know, protocol oriented, civility oriented.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's so, he's he's he's speaking now because.

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Speaker 3: The people people just listening.

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Speaker 6: People are being escorted out, some people are applauding, some

464
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Speaker 6: people are look confused. He's got a walking got another map,

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Speaker 6: he's got props. Oh, this one's called the curse, just

466
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Speaker 6: in time for Halloween.

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Speaker 4: He's pointing at all the people he doesn't like. I guess.

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Speaker 5: This is the Nathan Fielder show from.

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Speaker 3: Yep, exactly the regime.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's bragging about he's bragging about all the people

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Speaker 4: he got.

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Speaker 8: Great and there's a also.

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Speaker 4: A Iraq Yes, good for him. Yes, he talked us

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Speaker 4: into going into Iraq. Is he really bragging about that?

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Speaker 3: I mean not.

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Speaker 2: He's taking credit for that one battle battle raging in

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Speaker 2: the in the chat there the live chat.

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Speaker 5: Should we should we jump in a spreaking point.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well they're gone too. And then oh some.

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Speaker 8: Bomb scientists.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes they did kill scientists. Hmmm that's true.

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Speaker 3: Israel day war with you.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, so we'll have more, uh, I guess Monday right

484
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Speaker 4: from that speech?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we can.

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Speaker 5: We can react in the premium half too, because it'll

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Speaker 5: probably be wrapped up by the time we get there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there's anything.

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Speaker 6: My final question before we move on is how long

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Speaker 6: is Jennifer going to keep getting these interviews?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You know, I feel like we had a moment with

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Speaker 6: the Lyssa Slotkin thing and now you know, I'm not

494
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Speaker 6: going to name names, but behind the scenes, I've been

495
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Speaker 6: trying to reach out to a lot of other politicians

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Speaker 6: of similar level and getting ghosted.

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Speaker 3: So what do you what do y'all think? You know?

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Speaker 6: Because Jennifer seems like a safe podcast for Dems to

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Speaker 6: do if they don't do a lot of research.

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Speaker 3: Like Ryan mentioned, there's another good one for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, there he's this is this I was

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Speaker 2: holding up a plattery, says who shouts death to America?

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Speaker 2: And then it's a multiple choice question as Iran be

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Speaker 2: as hamas he as hesbela, d as the houthis and

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Speaker 2: he is all these who.

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Speaker 5: Told him that was a good idea?

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, this, this flows out of their polling that

508
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Speaker 4: that we reported on. It dropside and over here it

509
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Speaker 4: bringing points that nobody likes them, but people also do

510
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Speaker 4: not like around the world, they don't like Iran, they

511
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Speaker 4: don't like Hamas and Hesbela, and so in a straight

512
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Speaker 4: one to one comparison between Israel and Hamas or Israel

513
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Speaker 4: and Ron, Israel actually comes out ahead. So this, this,

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Speaker 4: this looks like it comes straight from the Mark Penn

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Speaker 4: and an need a done polling operation.

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Speaker 8: Oh wow, incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 4: Great great work there. Anyway, sorry you were saying, Oh.

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Speaker 3: No, just return to my question.

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Speaker 6: You know, do you think Jennifer is going to keep

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Speaker 6: getting these interviews with democratic leadership. I know she's doing

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Speaker 6: a talk with Kamala Harris for her book tour coming

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Speaker 6: up soon.

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Speaker 2: No, They've got a whole chorus network of creators that

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Speaker 2: they can feel comfortable going on their platforms that are

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Speaker 2: you know, approved and unlikely to ask them difficult questions.

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Speaker 4: So the problem though, is that, you know, the people

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Speaker 4: aren't necessarily going to be listening to the chorus if

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Speaker 4: the chorus doesn't follow what people want to hear some

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Speaker 4: and so if they want audience, they're going to have

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Speaker 4: to come to people like her and us.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but they I mean, because.

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Speaker 4: They can't make it. They're trying very hard to make

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Speaker 4: their own thing and it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 8: Not working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken loves to post the like I guess the

536
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Speaker 2: Dancy started like a YouTube, like a podcast, and he

537
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Speaker 2: loves to post the views. It's like, you know, they

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Speaker 2: got one hundred and two views this time.

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Speaker 8: Way to go, you know.

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Speaker 2: So, no, they have this idea that they can have

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Speaker 2: this top down level of control and never face a

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Speaker 2: difficult question, and that if they just throw some money

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Speaker 2: behind it and some organization, then they're going to end

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Speaker 2: up with like the next Joe Rogan or whatever. And

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Speaker 2: you know if they, like I guess, at some point,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're going to realize that that doesn't work. But

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Speaker 2: the people who are at the top of the party,

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Speaker 2: the k Kim Jeffreys, the Chuck Shoomers of the world,

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Speaker 2: they're just the environment.

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Speaker 8: They came up in.

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Speaker 2: The skills and traits that they were selected for have

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with like going on a podcast and

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Speaker 2: having a difficult conversation and saying something controversial, getting out

554
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Speaker 2: there in the mix and fighting like That's just not

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Speaker 2: what these people will ever do. They're not designed to

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Speaker 2: do that, right, And so I don't think that until

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Speaker 2: you have a complete upending of the current party structure

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Speaker 2: and new leadership will they actually realize because the other

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Speaker 2: thing is with these people, like I think they would

560
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Speaker 2: rather have Trump and the Republicans in power then give

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Speaker 2: up their own grip on power as well, and you

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Speaker 2: know so, and they feel like so. In any case,

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Speaker 2: I don't see it happening until you have a complete

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Speaker 2: switch in Democratic Party leadership, which may be coming. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I saw an article. I wish I remember the numbers,

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Speaker 2: but I think its Politico went out and asked a

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Speaker 2: bunch of Democratic Senate candidates, Hey, are you going to

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Speaker 2: support Chuck Schumer for majority leader or you know, for

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Speaker 2: a leader of the party if you guys are still

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Speaker 2: in the minority, And basically none of them would say yes.

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Speaker 2: Some of them were overt, a few, not that many,

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Speaker 2: but if you were overt, like absolutely not. And most

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Speaker 2: of them were just like, eh, we'll see who's in

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Speaker 2: the race.

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Speaker 8: I don't know. So, you know, some kind of reckoning

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Speaker 8: is going to come at some point.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And they're only hurting themselves because what happens when

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Speaker 5: you resist your own voters and your grassroots spec but

579
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Speaker 5: basically their own voters are on the same page about

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Speaker 5: this right now, When you do that, you end up

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Speaker 5: with Trump. That sounds crazy. But this is exactly what

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Speaker 5: happened in the Republican Party, where the leadership was brushing

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Speaker 5: off the base and the grassroots, and they had this

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Speaker 5: primary of who they thought was the very best talent

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Speaker 5: in the Republican Party like that in generations, they felt

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Speaker 5: like was the buffet of generational Republican talent. In twenty sixteen,

587
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Speaker 5: and Trump came in and smashed it to bits and

588
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Speaker 5: completely shattered the illusion because all of those generational talents

589
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Speaker 5: had been I mean other than like maybe Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 5: but even he by that point had sort of gotten

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Speaker 5: with the program. That's what happens. When you reject your

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Speaker 5: vote someone, they're going to get more populism. They're only

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Speaker 5: hurting themselves. They're only undermining truck Schumer's future and longevity,

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Speaker 5: or the Truck Schumer replacements longevity. Because something will burse.

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Speaker 5: You will have someone, You will have a populace who

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Speaker 5: comes in and actually puts a lie to their power

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Speaker 5: and destroys everything in a way that hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 6: Yep, that's right. So Democrats, Jennifer and Pumps, they're trying

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Speaker 6: to help you. You just got to let it in. Okay,

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Speaker 6: help me, help you so let's move on. We got

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Speaker 6: to talk about this James Comy thing. This is a

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Speaker 6: comity of errors. Perhaps let's listen to a little bit

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Speaker 6: of the indictment on James Comy here and his reaction,

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Speaker 6: and then we'll break it down a little bit for you.

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Speaker 10: My family for years that there are costs to standing

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Speaker 10: up to Donald Trump, but we couldn't imagine ourselves living

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Speaker 10: any other way. We will not live on our knees,

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Speaker 10: and you shouldn't either. Somebody that I love dearly recently

609
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Speaker 10: said that fear is the tool of a tyrant. And

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Speaker 10: she's right. But I'm not afraid, and I hope you're

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Speaker 10: not either. I hope instead you are engaged, You are

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Speaker 10: paying attention, and you will vote like your beloved country

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Speaker 10: depends upon it.

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Speaker 5: All Right, So that's a little Can we pause right there?

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Speaker 5: Did you do we think? I think he might have

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Speaker 5: a little botox.

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Speaker 2: Com He looks good. It could also just be a

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Speaker 2: good ring light, also possible. Fighting does a lot for you.

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Speaker 2: But but that I is so.

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Speaker 6: Much taken from his sub sack Griffin, I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: where it came from. I just gave my Comy alerts

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Speaker 6: directly sent to me on Google Alerts.

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Speaker 5: But well, he likes to so he has a sub

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Speaker 5: sac and he likes to post these videos. And you

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Speaker 5: may remember the Taylor Swift video that he posted. So

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Speaker 5: it's uh, this is this is how James Comy speaks

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Speaker 5: to the public.

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, so this is the second most important, but

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Speaker 2: I did see it.

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Speaker 6: Can you explain for us in the audience, like, what

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Speaker 6: what is his indictment? What is he being indicted for?

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Speaker 6: And what is this original rivalry? In case people forget,

633
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Speaker 6: if we can go back through the annals of history,

634
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Speaker 6: what's this beef about.

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Speaker 5: Well, so this is going to be about lying to Congress,

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Speaker 5: So it's going to be a perjury charge. He testified

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Speaker 5: to Congress five years ago on September thirtieth, which is

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00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: why these charges had to come down quickly. That's why

639
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 5: Trump was sort of accidentally posting his DMS to Pambondi.

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Speaker 5: I still don't know whether that was an accident or intentional.

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Speaker 5: But because that September thirtieth, twenty twenty testimony is where

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Speaker 5: he said that he quote had not authorized someone else

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Speaker 5: to be an anonymous source in news reports, The indictment

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Speaker 5: says that statement was false. So the bar for actually

645
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 5: getting a conviction on this charge is going to be

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Speaker 5: really high because you have to prove that he knowingly

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Speaker 5: lied to Congress, and that involves some measure of mind

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Speaker 5: reading unless you have just incontrovertible evidence, which they may

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Speaker 5: have in this case, because there is a document trail

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Speaker 5: with Russia Gate, but Comy was Komy was shopping around

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Speaker 5: information about the Russia collusion hoax. There's a decent bit

652
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Speaker 5: of evidence. It was in the Inspector General Michael Horowitz's report.

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Speaker 5: There was pretty decent evidence that Comy was part of

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Speaker 5: getting this information to the media. He's going to have

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Speaker 5: great attorneys and can parse this in different ways, whether

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Speaker 5: he was technically the one who leaked or whether he

657
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 5: did it through a conduit, which we have pretty good

658
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Speaker 5: evidence that he was doing. But that's where the origins

659
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Speaker 5: of this are. Komy was shopping information to the media

660
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 5: to sort of prime the pump as everyone was saying,

661
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Speaker 5: was Donald Trump in bed with Putin? Was he in

662
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: bed with Russia? Hillary Clinton was making some of these claims.

663
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Speaker 5: Komy was giving little tidbits, dishing out little tidbits, and

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Speaker 5: the FBI was dish at little tidbits to the media

665
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Speaker 5: basically suggesting that they were working on this because they

666
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 5: were actually getting some heat from Hillary Clinton, remember the

667
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 5: beef between Comy and Clinton because of those charges that

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: were dropped late in twenty sixteen, late October twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: So all that to say, also, Comy didn't indict Hillary Clinton,

670
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Speaker 5: but didn't charge Hillary Clinton with the email after the

671
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 5: email investigation, so he was trying to you basically suggest

672
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: to the public we've got something, we're on it, and

673
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 5: Trump Comy on and then it all exploded and here

674
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Speaker 5: we are today.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just important to zoom ount while

677
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: those specifics are significant, and I also want to note

678
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 2: that they had to force out another Trump picked US

679
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: attorney and put in this total crony who has never

680
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: prosecuted a case before in order to move to try

681
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: to secure this indictment. There was memos from career DJ

682
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: prosecutors who said, listen, there's no this is not going

683
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: to You're not going to be able to secure a

684
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: guilty conviction at trial, so you should not go forward

685
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 2: with this. You've had some at least one resignation also

686
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: in the wake of these charges moving forward, So there's

687
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: a lot of indication that this is trumped up. That

688
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: did not intentionally use that pun, but I mean literally,

689
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Donald Trump came out and said, you need to charge

690
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: the Skypan Bondy, Like, what are we doing? She was

691
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: under pressure. There's a reporting as well that she was

692
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with the case.

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Speaker 8: So listen.

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Speaker 2: I think Comy is an odious figure. I think Comye

695
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: is a big part of the reason Trump gets elected

696
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: the first time. I have zero love for this man.

697
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 8: This is a.

698
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Bullshit, politicized charge. There is no way that if Trump

699
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: doesn't directly tell the Attorney general and his new handpicked

700
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: crony that they need to charge Komy, that he ends

701
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: up getting indicted. The grand jury indicted him on two

702
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: of three counts. I think, especially given the President's public

703
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: involvement here, very likely this thing gets immediately tossed. It's

704
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: been assigned to a Biden judge. And you know, this

705
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: is the sort of thing that in normal times would

706
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: literally be impeachable. And it's not just Comy either. They're

707
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: trying to go after Leticia James on some bullshit mortgage

708
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: fraud charge. They're trying to go after Adam Shift on

709
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: the same thing, trying to go after Lisa Cook on

710
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's not like I have particular love

711
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: for these people. Actually do like Letitia James, but you know,

712
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: not a big Adam Schift fan, don't really know anything

713
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: about Lisa Cook in particular, not a Komy fan. But

714
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: it is now official. The DJ is just an arm

715
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: of Trump's weaponization regime. That's what it is. And so

716
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: however we feel about Komy, we need to acknowledge that

717
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: this is this is a you know, not to say

718
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: the DOJ has been perfect in the past. There hasn't

719
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: been this, or there hasn't been that. But we have

720
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: really crossed a threshold here where even any appearance of

721
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: independence is totally incompletely gone.

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Speaker 5: I think Ryan go ahead.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 4: Just to the indictment itself is like a page and

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Speaker 4: a half. And the thing they're getting him on is

726
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: that they say that he told Ted Cruz that he

727
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: had not quote, authorized someone else at the FBI to

728
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: be an anonymous source in news reports regarding an FBI

729
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: investigation concerning Trump, And basically they're saying that he authorized

730
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: McCabe to be an anonymous source, and so McCabe McCabe's

731
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: testimony on that would be would be critical or any

732
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Speaker 4: evidence that they might have that he did authorize McCabe

733
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Speaker 4: to be a confidential source. So just just for the

734
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Speaker 4: details of this indictment, but agree with Chrystel's point that

735
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Speaker 4: the details are you know, you can get you can

736
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: get somebody on mortgage fraud, but you're not actually If

737
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: you're not actually going after them on mortgage fraud, then

738
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Speaker 4: then tangling with the details is kind of playing into

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: their hands.

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Speaker 5: Well, my perspective on this is probably a little different

741
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: from your guys, which is I think there should be

742
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 5: with Comy. Comy is a good example of like when

743
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 5: did we cross the threshold? I think we've crossed the threshold,

744
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: like accelerated with Trump, especially two point zero. I like

745
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: not happy with a lot of the politicization in this case.

746
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: I look at Comy as someone who arguably started they

747
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: He to me is pretty high up in the candidates

748
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 5: for who started us on the on the doom spiral,

749
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: and because he was part of weaponizing the FBI to

750
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: cook up an investigation beyond reasonable bounds against Trump and

751
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: the Trump campaign and then was leaking to media, I

752
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: agree one thousand percent that this is politicized. I just

753
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: don't quite agree that it's bullshit because I don't know

754
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 5: another way out. I'm not saying that this is a

755
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 5: guaranteed way out of the doom spiral. But this man

756
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 5: I think is part of Like Donald Trump wasn't even

757
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 5: president yet and James Comy was weaponizing the FBI to

758
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 5: attack Donald Trump. So I I just don't I think

759
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 5: Comy should should face consequences. I agree that the charges

760
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 5: here are political, and I like lament that this is

761
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: the state of the country. He's not someone I'm particularly like.

762
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Speaker 5: That's actually, of all of the people that I think

763
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 5: probably should face consequences, I think he's pretty high up

764
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: on the list.

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Speaker 7: Now.

766
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 5: Of course, the process to get from point A to

767
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: point B, the installment of Lindsay Halligan to Crystal's point,

768
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Speaker 5: to get these charges, all of that I totally understand.

769
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 5: But Comy, to me is one of these central figures

770
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Speaker 5: that thrust us into this moment.

771
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Speaker 4: Okay, the politics too. I've consistently said that for January sixth, Trump,

772
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, Trump came at the system and he missed,

773
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: And the proper response to that is he should have

774
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: gone down for that. Like you come at the system,

775
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: you come at everything and you miss basically trying to

776
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: do a coup, you should go down for that the

777
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: same You know, I could turn that logic around on Komi,

778
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: and you know, Komi came at the king and he missed,

779
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: and so now he's gonna Now he's going down for

780
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: this now when it comes to doom spiral, I think this.

781
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: There's no question that this further ratchets us closer to

782
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: a political system that none of us want, where when

783
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: you lose power, you go to jail. And there are

784
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: a lot of countries that have systems like that, and

785
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: prime prime ministers and lawmakers know that being in politics

786
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: means that you're going to go to prison sometimes when

787
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 4: you're out of power, and that creates that that is

788
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: extraordinarily corrosive to this, to civic life, and it ends

789
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: up consolidating authoritarianism, undermining democratic norms, and making it much

790
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 4: more of a zero sum game, which then, perhaps ironically

791
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: like increases a lot of corruption because as authoritarianism consolidates,

792
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: doesn't matter whether you're breaking laws or not, the only

793
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: thing that matters is whether you're close to the king,

794
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 4: close to the current leader. And so if you're going

795
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: to jail, anyway, Like then people just start breaking laws

796
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: wildly and getting involved in all sorts of illegal activities.

797
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: So this is an important point, Ryan, because listen how

798
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: many like we had multiple we had the John Durham investigation.

799
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: He recommended no charges against Komi. Right, there's a difference

800
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: between bad behavior and things that are criminal and illegal

801
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: is number one.

802
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 8: Number two.

803
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if the charges were legitimate, he wouldn't have

804
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: had to like fire his push out his own hand

805
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: picked person in order to secure some sort of a charge,

806
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: which again is almost certainly going to get immediately thrown

807
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: out in court. You wouldn't have had to bring in

808
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: this lady who was like a pageant queen and insurance

809
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: lawyers never prosecuted a case before. You wouldn't have had

810
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: to publicly threaten your own attorney general in order to

811
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: secure these charges. So Ran, I think your point, you

812
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: Knowinary six and Cally whatever, Like it's very intellectual and

813
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: it's very high minded, but it also ignores the fact

814
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: that like it's not just Komy okay, it's Letitia James,

815
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: it's Adam Schiff, it's Lisa Cook. It is using the

816
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: whole of government to go after the media, to go

817
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: after law firms, to go after universities. Now we've got

818
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: the entire Democratic Party designated as a terror organization. I mean, guys,

819
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: when we zoom in too close on these details and

820
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: start fighting about what Comy said in testimony, Andrew Cabe,

821
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: McCabe contradicted him, blah blah blah, we miss any fucking for.

822
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 8: Us, for the trees.

823
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: Because the authoritarian consolidation of power has been so rapid

824
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: and so extraordinary, and we're living through it in real

825
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: time in these past couple of weeks. So I find

826
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: it a little beside the point to argue about what

827
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: Jim Comy did in fucking twenty sixteen.

828
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also since that's what the indictment is, the

829
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: IG looked into this and found that there's no evidence

830
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: that Comy actually authorized McKay to leak. Well, that's the

831
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: caves that McCabe did it on his own and informed

832
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: Coby later allegedly informed Call Me later. So I but

833
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: I agree that when you're arguing about the details when

834
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: the details are not actually like, they're going after Camy

835
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: because call Me went after him, like that's it.

836
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if it wasn't this, they pull up his

837
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: mortgage applications, or they fought his tax filings or whatever. Like,

838
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: let's not be Pollyanna about what's going on here, guys.

839
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 5: It's so the point that Ryan was making about how

840
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 5: going thrusting us further down the pattern of tip for

841
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 5: tat retaliation actually can consolidate authoritarian power grabs. That is

842
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: my argument to people on the right who are like

843
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 5: my friends who are absolutely have this bloodlust. Some of

844
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: them people were like unfairly targeted and all that during

845
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 5: this type of investigation and Trump won. That's my argument

846
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: to that. So like it's it's not as all I'm

847
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: a proponent of doom spiral politics. On the other hand, Uh,

848
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 5: it's just really hard for me to think of a

849
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: way for people who are in the FBI or the

850
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 5: CIA who have abused their positions and put us in

851
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 5: this position. I really really think that's true. Without the

852
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: Russia collusion UH investigation against Donald Trump, I don't know

853
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: what his first presidency would have looked like. My assumption

854
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: is that it wouldn't have been.

855
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: He would not have been a first presidency because he

856
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: would not have gotten elected if Jim Comey didn't come

857
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: out and do his whole multiple press conference things, so

858
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: he should be.

859
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be thanking him. Yeah, why is he so

860
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: mad at him?

861
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: Call me, well, because he tried, I mean, and then

862
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 5: Trump had in his interim period, had all of these

863
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: bullshit lawsuits thrown at him. So I like this to me, like,

864
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: I get it, I get it. I just think it's

865
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 5: hard for me to imagine Republicans being in this position

866
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 5: and not trying to dish out some of what Trump

867
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: got in the interim period.

868
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: In question.

869
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, he he cooled the he tried to coop

870
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: the government, and he got to runcts again. Democrats didn't

871
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: even get around like appointing someone to look into it,

872
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: like he you know, So I'm sorry, Like it's not

873
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: equivalent whatsoever. Trump tried to steal an election. He ginned

874
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: up his supporters to storm the Capitol on January sixth,

875
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: He put together fake slates of electors to try to

876
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: undermine the whole thing. And then you know, there was

877
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: there was genuine there there with the classified documents that

878
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: were stored in his bathroom, for example, It's not like

879
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: this was completely invented. So you know, we can debate

880
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: the details, but I don't think that. And here's the

881
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: other thing why I have no patience for this argument

882
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: is Republicans were, oh, we're going to end the weaponization.

883
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: There's a whole likes force against weaponization. I know, we're

884
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: going to be free speech. And then it's like, no, actually,

885
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: we didn't mean any of that shit. Steven Miller's in charge.

886
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Trump is going to threaten Bondye until he basically all

887
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: of his political opponents are threatened with jail. The entire

888
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Democratic Party is going to be classified as a terror organization.

889
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: If you have any sort of left leaning views, we're

890
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: going to call you a terrorist. We're going to deport

891
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: people based on writing essays and op eds like this

892
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: is not you know, it's first of all, it's not

893
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: remotely equivalent to what was done in the past. And

894
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: second of all, like, there is no principle here that

895
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: is justifiable outside of Trump consolidating power and weaponizing the

896
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: government and trying to secure a total and complete victory

897
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: over his political opponents. And that's the language they use,

898
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: like they think that they that's what they're going for,

899
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: and there's a chance they succeed too, by the way,

900
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: which is why you know, I think people should be

901
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: paying attention to what is unfolding, not just with these cases,

902
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: which is an extraordinary development, but with the universities, with

903
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: the law firm, with the media, with the you know,

904
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: the labeling a vast swass of Americans as domestic terrorists,

905
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: with the Ice crackdown of you know, I just read

906
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: this morning the seventy nine year old business owner who

907
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 2: had was thrown to the American citizen thrown to the ground.

908
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: Ribs cracked because Ice wanted to go after a few

909
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: of his employees. Like, what is going this is This

910
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: is a horror and it's rolling out at an increasingly

911
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 2: rapid pace. People need to wrap their heads around where

912
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: we are right now.

913
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 6: So if the sorry, I'll let you go on a second,

914
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 6: But just a question, because I agree with what Crystal

915
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 6: is saying. But like, maybe this is a stupid question,

916
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 6: but let's say Democrats win power, they win twenty twenty eight,

917
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 6: should they not prosecute people like Tom Homan for taking

918
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 6: that fifty k bribe from the FBI.

919
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Should be prosecuted. But that's the thing is, like these

920
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: are fake charges. If Comy did something from me, Wait,

921
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: you don't think John Durham would have recommended charges against him.

922
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: There is a newly released FBI memo that says Comy

923
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: also used Richmond, So this is this guy he hired

924
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: as a lay is on to the media On several occasions,

925
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 5: Richmond spoke with the media without consultation with that FBI.

926
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: D OJ's office. Is a public affair, like there's there is.

927
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: Pretty but even that didn't wind up in this indictment, right, It's.

928
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: Not going to be. It doesn't meet the legal threshold.

929
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I think it's pretty obvious that Comy

930
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: did lie to Congress. Do I think they're actually going

931
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 5: to get a perjury.

932
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: Convictions he lied to Congress like yesterday. I mean, I mean,

933
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: they don't have credibility.

934
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 5: They don't. It's not like they have sterling credibility to

935
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: say to your point that they are ending the weaponization

936
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 5: of government does absolutely not true. It's just frustrating from

937
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 5: my perspective because there was so much that set the

938
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 5: stage for this moment and I'm gonna like throw all

939
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 5: the bums out type of person. I think probably all

940
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: of us are, like Chrystal just said, crimes criminals should

941
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 5: be convicted. I agree with that, and the Trump administration,

942
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 5: if they were really ending the weaponization of government, would

943
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 5: go after people on the right who weaponized the government,

944
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: and would go after people on the right who were

945
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: abusing power, and they wouldn't be doing it themselves. Completely

946
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: agree with that. It's what terrifies me about this moment

947
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 5: in politics. So I don't disagree with any of that,

948
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 5: and just call me.

949
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: And it's not only that. It's not only the prosecution

950
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: of political enemies. It's also the pardoning of all of

951
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: the January six ers, for example, of all of these

952
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: white collar criminals, of all these crypto fraudsters who are

953
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: just directly bribing the Trump administration in order to get

954
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: their charges dropped or their investigations dropped or whatever. So

955
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the system we have now. It's

956
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: it's completely overt And just to quickly go back to

957
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Griffin's point about like the midterms in twenty twenty eight,

958
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why people are so confident that we're

959
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: going to have anything approaching like meaningful and not. Here's

960
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: I sketch out the scenario before, and I think this

961
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: is the direction we're heading.

962
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 8: Let's say Democrats, you know, are.

963
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: Able to overcome the jerrymandering, whatever else is their own

964
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: at them. They win the House in the mid terms,

965
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: you think Trump's going to accept those election results?

966
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 8: Is what is going to happen, go ahead.

967
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: The reason I think the reason I think he would

968
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: is because I think Republicans would actually feel like they're

969
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: better off with Democrats and control of the House so

970
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: that they can blame them for things.

971
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: And He's not gonna want them to have like subpoena

972
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: power or whatever. I mean, it seems pretty clear that he.

973
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: Does not want They're gonna ignore the They're going to

974
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: ignore the subpoenas. There is no subpoena power anymore.

975
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, exactly like.

976
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: His final agents walt en force the subpoenas.

977
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 5: People ask me why I don't support Trump, and this

978
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: is maybe one of the biggest concerns. There are obviously many,

979
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 5: and there are also obviously things we could talk about,

980
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 5: but like, this is what happened. We think about January sixth,

981
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: but what happened after the election in twenty twenty, after

982
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 5: November twenty twenty two, January sixth was completely reckless and

983
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: was something that thrust us even further down the doom spiral.

984
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: And it was I think horrifying. So I think the

985
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 5: right underestimates the extent to which Donald Trump will continue

986
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 5: playing with fire. That's actually how Ben Sass phrased it

987
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 5: after January sixth, that Trump had been playing with fire.

988
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 5: Completely agree with it. I think people on the right

989
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: underestimate the extent to which that's happening or that could

990
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 5: happen again. So, like, I share a lot of these concerns,

991
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 5: I get it. I just like it. I don't know

992
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 5: if the Democratic Party fully appreciates the extent to which,

993
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 5: and I think sometimes there's a problem with the media,

994
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 5: the extent to which, for example, with the January six ers,

995
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 5: like there were people who had their homes raided by

996
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 5: the FBI who did were not even in the vicinity

997
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: of going into the Capitol on January six Like, the

998
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 5: FBI was weaponized and some people who didn't do anything

999
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 5: wrong were caught up in that process. So that set

1000
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 5: the stage for Trump to come in and hit back.

1001
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 5: So if I were like Griffin's question is such an

1002
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: interesting one because if I were a Democrat who was

1003
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 5: worried about weaponization of government going into another Democratic presidency

1004
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 5: here democratic mid term, then the question is, well, our

1005
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: base is really gonna want Tom Homan, for example, to

1006
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: be prosecuted, and we need to get out of the

1007
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 5: doom spiral. Like Chris Murphy is talking about this, He's saying,

1008
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 5: we have to fight fire with fire. That clip of

1009
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 5: him that is exactly what even like mainstream Republicans were

1010
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 5: talking like in twenty twenty three before Trump won again.

1011
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 5: That could have been I actually thought about as an

1012
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 5: experiment clipping that or put posting the transcript of that

1013
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 5: on X and be like, who said this, head cruiser

1014
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 5: Chris Murphy because it was so similar. So I don't

1015
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 5: have a good answer to how we get out of this.

1016
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 5: But it's also I think to some extent, people like

1017
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 5: Chris Murphy, Adam Schiff, James Comy have to take responsibility

1018
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: for their role in it. I'm not a fan of

1019
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 5: cooking up charges. I do think James Comy led to Congress.

1020
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 5: So that's sort of where I land on this right now.

1021
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: One last thing on the midterms piece. I mean, what

1022
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: you're sketching out is effectively another path to just like

1023
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: the elections not really existing. You're just like, yeah, they'll

1024
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: let the Democrats take their seats, but then they just

1025
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: won't get to do anything, and they'll just be like,

1026
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: you know, so it's the same thing.

1027
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1028
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 2: I still think there is a very strong chance because

1029
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: he's rhetorically setting up that he just denies the election

1030
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: results that they you know, they have consolidated, had like

1031
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: the courts, the Supreme Court goes along with whatever they

1032
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: want that they'll jump some oh mail in ballots were

1033
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 2: fake and there's no way Democrats could win, and they're

1034
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: providing material support to tear whatever. They'll come up with

1035
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: something and then have their own separate you know, Republicans

1036
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: who they claim one that they basically just pretend like

1037
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: this is the House majority and these are the rightful

1038
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: members of Congress. And you know, if that happens and

1039
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: you've got some significant portion of some thirty five percent

1040
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: or whatever the country that use that, you know, I

1041
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what happens then, but it

1042
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: is absolutely possible that they do allow Democrats to take

1043
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: their seats and then they just literally have zero power.

1044
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 2: So it is as if it doesn't matter who people

1045
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: voted for and what they want to see.

1046
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: And the one reason, the only reason I feel like

1047
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 4: they might try to hold on to power in the

1048
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: House is so that they can control certification of the

1049
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: election in January of twenty nine. Yeah, but I don't.

1050
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: I think.

1051
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 7: So.

1052
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: It's it's a trade off for them. I think they

1053
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 4: have to factor it. So what's more important so I.

1054
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: Can move in? We're co we all agree.

1055
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 6: So Emily thinks that line of Congress is a crime,

1056
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 6: and then Ryan and Crystal believe it's too it's it's

1057
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 6: too flimsy. I think we can all agree that Donald

1058
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 6: Trump has just created a million James Comey's let's let's

1059
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 6: move on. We got to get this some public half.

1060
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 6: Speaking of playing with fire, the military playboy Pete Hegseth

1061
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 6: is calling a summit of all the top generals and

1062
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 6: admirals around the world for an unspecified meeting that is

1063
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 6: causing anxiety among the top ranks of the military. He's

1064
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 6: pulling everyone into Virginia for a big announcement.

1065
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: What are we to make of this?

1066
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1067
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 8: Anybody got any guesses here? What's going on?

1068
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 4: I got no reporting on this. This Probably the.

1069
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: Weirdest thing about it is that it's so public, Like

1070
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 2: the Washington Post got ahold of this story. They were

1071
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: the ones that broke it, right, and then they reached

1072
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: out to the Pentagon for comment. You know, news organizations

1073
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: will typic like if they can be shown a justifiable

1074
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: national security concern from publishing information, they will withhold. And

1075
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: the Pentagon was like, yeah, no, no comment, go ahead.

1076
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: So that's what's really weird about it, because you know,

1077
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: having the whole world, including your average areas, know that

1078
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: you have all of your top military leadership consolidated in

1079
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: this one particular location. Is not an expert here, but

1080
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like the greatest idea, But you know, who

1081
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: am I to judge?

1082
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 8: I guess hmm.

1083
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 6: In the Dark Knight Rises, they put all of the

1084
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 6: cops in the subway tunnels and then Bane traps them

1085
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 6: in there. So maybe it's a similar situation like this.

1086
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like he Sas seems to really like

1087
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: the camera.

1088
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 6: He's been making lots of camera videos and so is

1089
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 6: this just like gonna be a big speech about how

1090
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 6: much he loves his war fighters or is this prep

1091
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 6: for some Iran war?

1092
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't Emily or Ryan, what do you make of this? Well?

1093
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 5: I would be more concerned, to be quite honest, about

1094
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 5: Latin America or Mexico because there's been a lot of

1095
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: rumblings of agitation in that sphere, and we've obviously already

1096
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 5: seen three boat strikes. We've seen there was a story

1097
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: that leaked a couple of weeks ago that there were people,

1098
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 5: I think it was in the DEA, that we're agitating

1099
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 5: for more military involvement in Mexico, like basically full military

1100
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 5: involvement in Mexico, And it was the Pentagon people at

1101
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 5: the Pentagon who shut it down and were like, this

1102
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: is not a good idea, But that honestly is more

1103
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 5: concerning to me than anything in the Middle East or China.

1104
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I could see this

1105
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: being maybe like a full a meeting to like fully declare,

1106
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 5: with the symbolism of the military behind any announcement, that

1107
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 5: this is the regime change of Maduro or whatever. That's

1108
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 5: just But everyone I talked to has absolutely no idea

1109
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 5: what's happening, and is like concerned that there's something on

1110
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: the horizon. It could be some type of like LARP.

1111
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 5: Obviously like hey, here we are, we're making a show

1112
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: of force. But you know, obviously we can't rule anything out.

1113
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 5: So a lot of talk about Middle East, a lot

1114
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 5: of talk potentially about China, but I feel like people

1115
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 5: or under estimating whether this could be something in Latin

1116
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 5: America too.

1117
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: I mean, if I had to guess, it's, you know,

1118
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: they've talked a lot about they need to reduce the

1119
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: ranks of generals. If I had to guess there's some

1120
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: sort of a major like leadership reorg thing going on,

1121
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 2: does seem like something you could maybe accomplish over zoom

1122
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: or signal since they're partial to signal Trump is I

1123
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: saw one report that Trump is supposed to join virtually,

1124
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: so he's supposed to participate as well. So I don't know,

1125
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: it's you know, the things I read were like, this

1126
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: is not just unusual, it's unprecedented. You're talking about like

1127
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: some eight hundred people. You're talking about all of the

1128
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: top brass who've been summer summoned too this one location.

1129
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: And also that they're cool with it being known publicly.

1130
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: Is I don't know, is just it's interesting, so something

1131
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: to certainly keep an eye on.

1132
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know that Trump part of it, but that

1133
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 5: tells me this is probably not related to a military

1134
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 5: like a not like a like a conflict that sounds

1135
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 5: more like a big hr yeah, Yeah, like.

1136
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 8: They're going to be trust and a rope ropes. Course,

1137
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 8: that's what they're gonna do, right.

1138
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: You don't you don't. You don't organize and plot regime

1139
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 4: change or efforts or or invasions. Even with like hundreds

1140
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 4: of people, ult source who had some insight into it

1141
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: tells me it's quote, it's probably something really mundane and stupid.

1142
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a big last

1143
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 4: minute Trump photo op. Uh, it's just not you wouldn't.

1144
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: This isn't.

1145
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 4: This isn't how you do a coup or an invasion

1146
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: or a regime change.

1147
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: I could imagine it being like Trump, like I want

1148
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: to see all my generals, get all my pete, get

1149
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: all my generals together. I want to see what they

1150
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: live like, you know, like some dumb Trump ego bullshit

1151
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: is probably that's probably is a pretty good guess, Ryan.

1152
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants to see how many women there are

1153
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: and rhythm because they don't fit the like stereotype that

1154
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 4: he likes of his his like top brass.

1155
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. I don't know. I mean yeah, if I

1156
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 5: had to guess, same as Crystal, that's what I would

1157
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 5: put it As. But it's just odd to me that

1158
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: nobody knows what's going on in DC. That's unusual.

1159
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 3: So if it were a war with Mexico, like Ryan,

1160
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: what would that even look like?

1161
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: Like that would be a war with Venezuela.

1162
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 6: Venezuela. Yeah, so like is that just like I was doing,

1163
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 6: like more more drone strikes? Would would we be deploying

1164
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 6: people in?

1165
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: I think that they. I think that they would just

1166
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: bomb Maduro the same way that then Yahoo bombed Usralla

1167
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 4: and bombed Nia and bombed the Hamas offices in Doha.

1168
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: And there's new Meta.

1169
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 5: Or Panama.

1170
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I guess I don't think they Cama like

1171
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: the Panama Panama. They went in with overwhelming force and

1172
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 4: you know, drag drag Noriega out? What that cause that

1173
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 4: sounds right operation go get our Cia asset. Like literally,

1174
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: Noriega was a c set for decades for Georgia hw Bush. Yeah,

1175
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 4: for for the guy that took him out. But you

1176
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: can't do that in Venezuela, like you, It would take

1177
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 4: you six figure plus troop deployments like that. That's just

1178
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: not happening.

1179
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 6: M all right, Well, I guess we're all hoping in

1180
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 6: praying for a LARP at this meeting, and then we'll

1181
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 6: just see what goes on from there. I did want

1182
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 6: to pull up this story about Ice. We've got it

1183
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 6: here from Democracy Now. But it's been reported quite a

1184
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 6: lot of places that about two thirds of the detainees

1185
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 6: that Alligator Alcatraz have completely disappeared. They're not able to

1186
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 6: find records of these people where they went from here,

1187
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 6: And was just leading a lot of people to ask

1188
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 6: a question, are these just kind of like official US

1189
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 6: black sites?

1190
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 7: Now?

1191
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I think she must say yes at

1192
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: the moment, since they literally just disappeared, these twelve hundred people,

1193
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean, their their family and friends, their lawyers, nobody

1194
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: can locate them. So they were originally at this facility

1195
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: in horrific conditions and they get moved and you know,

1196
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: they're nowhere to be found. So yeah, I mean literally,

1197
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: they're they're just disappeared. And you know, we already had

1198
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: very little info about who was sent to this facility.

1199
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: Of course, as always were told it's the worst of

1200
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: the worst. The little bit of information the media could

1201
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: get was that that was not remotely true. You know,

1202
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: these were many of them had had no criminal interactions.

1203
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 8: With the law, et cetera.

1204
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: So it's it's very disturbing and that the government could

1205
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: just like disappear these people and it's barely a blip.

1206
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: Emily, what do you make of it?

1207
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 6: Do you think that they are got put on planes

1208
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 6: and just didn't get reported or what do you think

1209
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 6: is going on here?

1210
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 5: You know, I think that's I think that's probably the

1211
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 5: case for some of them. I don't know how many

1212
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 5: of them, but I think anytime. And this is why

1213
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 5: the SEACUT stuff was actually really disturbing, because it was,

1214
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 5: you know, you sort of push the limits, push the limits,

1215
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 5: push the limits of what you can get away with

1216
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 5: when it comes to non citizens and end up, you know,

1217
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 5: in crowded news cycles with a bunch of missing detainees.

1218
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 5: They weren't letting journalists into Alligator Alcatraz, and that kind

1219
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 5: of thing is pretty like I can't just chalk it

1220
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 5: up to that. I think that that is probably what happened,

1221
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 5: because sometimes these cases are genuinely difficult to track. I

1222
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 5: don't know what proportion of them that's the case for

1223
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: versus what the proportion of people are in random African

1224
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 5: countries like what Swatini that's the kilmore of Brego Garcia country.

1225
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 5: So I don't know, and I think people should care

1226
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 5: that we don't know. I don't think it's like a

1227
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 5: non issue that we don't know just because they're non citizens,

1228
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 5: because you know, that's what I've said to again some

1229
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 5: people who are fine with the Rameisa osterk stuff or

1230
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 5: even the Mahmu Khalil stuff. It's that when you are

1231
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: broadening these definitions as it relates to non citizens, that

1232
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 5: can set the stage for the targeting of citizens because

1233
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 5: if it's antisemitic, if it's anti semitic, or material support

1234
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 5: for terrorism, for example, when a non citizen does it, well,

1235
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 5: why is it not material support for terrorism? When a

1236
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 5: citizen writes not bad? You know, there are like the

1237
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 5: process matters a lot.

1238
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And you know that's increasingly been the asserted

1239
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: view of the administration as those sorts of things do

1240
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 2: constitute material support of terrorism. And then you know, since

1241
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: we don't actually know all of who was in Alligator Alcatraz,

1242
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: like I think likely these were all undocumented migrants, but

1243
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: we don't actually know that for sure, And we do

1244
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: know that American citizens have been caught up in ice raids,

1245
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: and detained for a certain amount of time. So you know,

1246
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: even if you don't care if which you should, but

1247
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: even if you don't care that migrants are, you know,

1248
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: disappeared by our government and without a trace, there's nothing

1249
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: that prohibits there's no limiting principle here on what they're

1250
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: able to do. Which was the same thing we said

1251
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: when you know, people are shipped off to Seacott with

1252
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: no due process, like the whole point of no due processes,

1253
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: there would be no chance to say, hey, I'm an

1254
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: American citizen, I don't deserve to be deported like this

1255
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: is illegal. Which when you just yeah, which when you

1256
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: completely skip over any sort of due process, any sort

1257
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: of transparency, even at the most based level of like hey, family,

1258
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: your brother, dad, uncle, whoever, has now been moved to

1259
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: this location, then you open up a Pandora's box of

1260
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: endless potential government abuse and whrror. And I think that's

1261
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: what's extremely, you know, disconcerting about what we're seeing here.

1262
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what Griffin referenced was a Miami Herald report

1263
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 5: from the sixteenth So go ahead.

1264
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the original and Emily can

1265
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 4: testify to this, one of the original radicalizing narratives from

1266
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 4: from the right in the two thousands was that the

1267
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 4: government was going to build a bunch of FEMA camps

1268
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 4: and just round people up and keep them in it.

1269
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 4: And now we literally have FEMA camps.

1270
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, Alex, where are you at, brother?

1271
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1272
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 4: Come on, man, that's a great something about these FEMA cuts.

1273
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: Too busy doing like a Hitler mustache is what I

1274
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: saw him do yesterday. I don't know if anyone else.

1275
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: He's busy. He's busy.

1276
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 5: Wild.

1277
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: Not to harp on Alex Jones here, but come on,

1278
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: like your whole thing was like, oh my god, they're

1279
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: going to surveil us. And now we got Palenter, you know,

1280
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: the FEMA camps thing, it's like happening, and he has

1281
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: nothing to say about it. He's too busy, you know,

1282
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: owning the libs. I guess is his job now on

1283
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: behalf of the reduce.

1284
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 4: Doing it?

1285
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly exactly.

1286
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 4: He was warning that he was going to do it. Actually, right,

1287
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 4: that's what we misunderstood.

1288
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 8: That's why he often misunderstood.

1289
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 6: Fellow act Yes, well, I think that will leave it

1290
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 6: for us here on the public half. We're going to

1291
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 6: talk more about ice. The ice shooter and jd Vance

1292
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 6: calling attacks on ice, blood libel, as well as a

1293
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 6: few other stories we might get into study. Yeah, we'll

1294
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 6: do some Freddy de boor we got an article about

1295
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 6: the extreme acts of public violence.

1296
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: Is I believe what he calls.

1297
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 4: Them spectacular spectacular, spectacular.

1298
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 3: Razzle dazzle.

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Speaker 6: And then we're going to talk about maybe a little

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Speaker 6: Peter Teel Antichrist sweeten the second half, and then we'll

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Speaker 6: do some A M.

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Speaker 3: A questions folks.

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Speaker 6: If you want to see the second half of this show,

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Speaker 6: go to Breaking Points dot com.

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Speaker 3: Link is in the video description.

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Speaker 6: Can sign up for membership get access to that, as

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Speaker 6: well as access to answer asking any of us questions

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Speaker 6: in the weekly AMAS.

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Speaker 5: So we will see you all there in the second

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Speaker 5: half of the show. I will be arresting Crystal for

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Speaker 5: weaponization purposes. That's right, citizens, or.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 2: We have to stop the doom loop or whatever I

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Speaker 2: have to sell. If I be the person who stops

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Speaker 2: the doom loop, it's a.

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Speaker 5: Fine line and it happens to be Crystal Ball, right.

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Speaker 6: That's right, folks. Okay, we'll see you there on the

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Speaker 6: other half, arrested or not by