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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And them and tie

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildenbrandt, joining me as always over there,

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Speaker 1: still way way over there in beautiful sunny southern California.

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Speaker 1: The one and only Dan Rubinstein, SI, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: If I could stay out here via tying my ankle

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Speaker 3: to a giant boulder in these mountains, I would. It's

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Speaker 3: this much sunshine when I know it's not going to

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Speaker 3: last forever.

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Speaker 1: Tie. No, by the way, I meant to ask, what's

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Speaker 1: your mask situation? Have you been expressing yourself via your

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Speaker 3: No, I have a black mass that I will wear

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Speaker 3: when I go out to to be around people outside

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Speaker 3: if I'm picking up food or something like that. A

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Speaker 3: family friend has actually sown a bunch of cloth together

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Speaker 3: and we have a bunch of new masks, which is nice.

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Speaker 3: So that's There's gonna be a little bit more in

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Speaker 3: it's just been literally dark Man, dark black mask. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I look like some sort of old timey robber or something.

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen a couple of them created that look

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Speaker 1: like whatever mask Baine was wearing in Batman.

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Speaker 1: Those are pretty damn cool. If you could actually get

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Speaker 1: that mask from Bain, that will be even cooler. But

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that yet. Maybe I need to go

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Speaker 1: and check Etsy.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do this entire episode in Bain voice?

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Speaker 3: I'm bin that was not bain Ty. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: very clear. Yeah, there was like a sort of a

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Speaker 3: muppety quality to your Bane and I love it, and

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Speaker 3: I I'm going to Ryan isolate that what I'm just

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Speaker 3: gonna keep calling Ryan to isolate the amazing Ties house.

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Speaker 1: To the show. I am Tie, he is Dan impressions

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Speaker 1: are not my forte college football though.

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Speaker 3: College is very scared, Yoda Bane is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: We just started. We can't derail this thing yet. All right, Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 1: a quote big domino for college football. Yeah, the IVY League,

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Speaker 1: college football fan, right Dan, Yeah, I mean precedent matters.

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Speaker 1: Sirius xsem Nicole hour back. How are you hey?

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Speaker 2: I am. I don't know. I feel like the same

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Speaker 1: I was going to act. That was my next question.

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Speaker 1: What have you done in terms of leisure, just to

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Speaker 2: smaller group of people. You could say, this is an

433
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: easier case to make if you were talking about like

434
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: a basketball team versus football, but you'd still stay with football.

435
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,239
Speaker 2: That they are mostly in a controlled environment, right, Like

436
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: I think you could. You could say that, like, you know,

437
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: the precautions and everything that's being taken around football practices

438
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: and the weight room makes it as safe as possible.

439
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: It's probably maybe safer than being in a dorm room,

440
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: being in the cafeteria, right, and being exposed to more

441
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: people and surfaces and things. So you could say that,

442
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: you could say those things, right, that smaller population. Yes,

443
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: they're kind of guinea pigs, but also it's better than

444
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, adding frats back to the mix and all

445
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: those things, which we we know frats are going to

446
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: be just like literal petri dishes for this. We all

447
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: know the money that's at stake, right, So it's this

448
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: this impairve, this feeling that you know, if we can

449
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: have football happen, it will continue to provide opportunities in

450
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: terms of scholarship for female and male athletes and other sports.

451
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: So that sort of you know, we need to do

452
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: whatever we can possibly do to make these games happen.

453
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: Or you know, again, here's another optics issue. If you

454
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: if you're not if it's not safe enough to have fans,

455
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: how is it safe enough to play. The flip side

456
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: of that has always been, well, it's less people. You know, again,

457
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: you have health and safety measures. You know, I did

458
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: a story this week about like helmet shields, you know,

459
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: face shields added to helmets. Right, But again, that's a

460
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: hard optics to look for. And I've really said all

461
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: along that the key is if you're gonna have regular

462
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: students on campus, which again I understand why that makes

463
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: it way more likely to spread a virus that's very contagious.

464
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: But it's hard to be like these football players, who

465
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: have literally argued in court are just like regular students. Right,

466
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: they're not employees, they shouldn't get paid. They are just

467
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: like college students. Student athlete first, right, student first. It's

468
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: hard to justify that if they're the only ones on campus.

469
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: So it's it's definitely an optics issue and just like

470
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: kind of like a moral issue, right if you're talking

471
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: about amateur athletes doing this instead of professional athletes who

472
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: have a union and have more control over the environment

473
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: that they're walking into in these bubbles and things. So

474
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: I guess I was trying to come up with the

475
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: ways that they're justifying it, but I really think it's

476
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: just that it's it's a safer environment because it's smaller

477
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: and they can control certain elements of it, and maybe

478
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, they'd be able to take some classes or

479
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: do some things, and maybe you know, if they were

480
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: at home this whole time, maybe they were exposed to

481
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: things not able to get tested. Maybe they don't have

482
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, great Wi Fi or access to you know,

483
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: nutrition and things that they know they can get on

484
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: a college campus. Right, So I think I think those

485
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: are kind of the talking points, and again they're they're

486
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: really hard to defend when you look at it from

487
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: an optic standpoint. And then also just again the way

488
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: that they've tried to defend the collegiate model, which is

489
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: a problem.

490
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: Are they wrestling with this are like behind the scenes,

491
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: and you know, from what you are able to hear

492
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: off the record, are they struggling to actually mount this

493
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: optic defense.

494
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think. I don't know if they think

495
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: about it that, but I think like they think about

496
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: these are amateur athletes, and you know, and you know,

497
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: we've heard a lot of administrators try to make it

498
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: very clear that, like, you know, your scholarship won't get

499
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: taken away if you don't come back, if you don't

500
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: feel comfortable to come back. But we know the power

501
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 2: dynamic there, right, Like you can still say that and

502
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: still feel if you're the player that you need to

503
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: go back. And I think that it's all kind of

504
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: built into the same thing. It's it's we don't know

505
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: what the long term damage of this virus is. We

506
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: know that there can be some with respiratory issues and

507
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: lung issues. Even for those who are asymptomatic and healthy.

508
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: Even if let's say you're eighteen to twenty two and

509
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: in your peak physical form, you know, there could still

510
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 2: be long lasting health issues. So there's definitely people who

511
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: are uncomfortable about that. And again that's that's why we're

512
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: even having these conversations about, you know, could the IVY

513
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: League be a domino? Right? Because there's people in all

514
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: of the different levels who you know, are uncomfortable about

515
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: the idea of having a fall college football season, right.

516
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: So absolutely those are considerations, and I think that people

517
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: who have spoken about things have been very careful, right

518
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: because you know, you can't say the things that Mike

519
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: Gundy said out loud, where you say whatever, they're not

520
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: going to die from this, let's just bring them back.

521
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: We need it for the economy. You can't say that.

522
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: You have to be a lot more nuanced than that.

523
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: And again, I think you have seen people talk about

524
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: the opportunities that it provides when you have a college

525
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: football season, and how it props up the athletic department

526
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: and people's livelihoods and opportunities and scholarships for other athletes.

527
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: We've seen those talking points out there and they have

528
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: to stick to them. But yeah, absolutely, behind the scenes

529
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: there are people who are talking about this the way

530
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: that we're talking about it right now.

531
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Back, I guess, is some of the scenario planning that

532
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: we've alluded to. Do you think it's more likely that

533
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: we have some version of an incomplete fall season, maybe

534
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: with not all teams playing, not all the games being played,

535
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: or do you think that the move to spring is

536
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: something that at this point is more likely.

537
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. I mean, these things kind of

538
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: change on on a daily basis and weekly basis. Again,

539
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: I think the hard deadline is early August for an

540
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: on time season. So I think that you can, you know,

541
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: you could certainly see a league make a decision to

542
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: go to just conference games this week, right, and that

543
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: could still change by early August. But maybe maybe you

544
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: have people looking at ideas of pushing seasons back one month,

545
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: and maybe, you know, looking at how these cases are

546
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: going to go in these outbreak areas, and then you know,

547
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, is there going to be a bump

548
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: from the fourth of July weekend? Is there? You know,

549
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: are some of these schools going to be reworking how

550
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: many students they're letting back on campus? Like maybe if

551
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: you can do one month, or if you say just

552
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: conference games and you push it back a little, maybe

553
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: that gives you that time you need to make that decision.

554
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: But the last resort is the spring season. And I

555
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: do think we're at the point where the last resort

556
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: is a conversation topic. I know some people are like

557
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: dismissing it as oh, it's the last resort. Well, we're here,

558
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: We're at the last resort. Have you seen have you

559
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: seen the graphs of these positive tests everywhere? Right? So,

560
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, I do think, you know, you could skip

561
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: some of those phases of restructuring the regular season and

562
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: cutting the amount of games and who you play, making

563
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: more regional whatever it is, But you could just go

564
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: straight to the spring. I I it's it's unclear, and

565
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: and I think that in those conversations even the people

566
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: are proponents of moving to the spring and just kind

567
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 2: of giving more time for a vaccine, more time for

568
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: better treatments to come about, whatever it might be. I

569
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: do think, you know, those people probably change their opinions

570
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: on how exactly you know, the steps to get there.

571
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Do you just rip off the band and just go

572
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: straight to that or do you try these other measures

573
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: to buy yourself a little time this fall? I don't know.

574
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, people will have to look

575
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: at TV contracts and all of these other pieces to

576
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: that too, before they officially, you know, decide nothing in

577
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: the fall is going to work. Then you've got to

578
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: think about, you know, then the length of the season,

579
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: the amount of the off season, if you're going to

580
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: have two seasons in one calendar year, the guys who

581
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: are going to go declare for the draft and prepare

582
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: not play. You know all those pieces too, which again

583
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: are logistics and contingencies and all these issues that people

584
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: would have to work out if we get to that point.

585
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: But again those are some of the things too where

586
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: it makes spring such a last resort that you're going

587
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: to try to potentially delay things or make things work

588
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: in the fall, even if it's not ideal to not

589
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: have to get there. So a long answer to your question,

590
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: which is, I don't know what is more likely or

591
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: what is more possible, because I also think you could

592
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: go to conference only games and then eventually you know,

593
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: push it back again. Right, So there's ways to go

594
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: about this and to make these decisions. But if you know,

595
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: if someone's going to say we're not going to start

596
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: on time week zero, week one, they have to really

597
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: decide that, like I mean, ideally in the next two

598
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: three weeks, like at the latest. There is some flexibility

599
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: where if you go into August and fall camp starts

600
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, you could maybe have that, but I I

601
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: don't think that that is a you know, I just

602
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 2: think I think that the way that these decisions are

603
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: going to come down, potentially starting with the IVY League,

604
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: that it might speed up the timeline on some of

605
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: those too.

606
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was I was trying to think back as

607
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: you were talking, when the idea of a spring season

608
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: first registered with me, and I honestly think Dan, it

609
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: was when I sent you the link to Chris Fowler's

610
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Instagram story weeks ago, where he had kind of offered

611
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that as a solution or a just an idea that

612
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: people were kicking around. And I know in the aftermath

613
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: of that there were articles a couple that were written,

614
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and they did seem to be met with a fair

615
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: amount of resistance. Now, obviously there are a ton of

616
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: logistical nightmares that would come with moving an entire season

617
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: from fall to spring. From a fans perspective, from the

618
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: perspective of what Dan and I do and what you do, Nicole,

619
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: there would obviously be unprecedented interest in something that's basically

620
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: never happened before. It does seem, at least based on

621
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: what we've read lately, that the spring season is picking

622
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: up a little bit more esteem. So I don't know

623
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: if that makes it more likely but it is tangible,

624
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: and if you follow the sport with any regularity, I

625
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: think it's something that you can feel.

626
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: What's funny is I feel like there was a phase

627
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: in March right where people were like, what if they

628
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: have to push to the spring, and then it was like,

629
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: all systems go here, we have dates to bring players

630
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: back on campus. You know, everyone's targeting week zero, week one.

631
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: There was even phase like should you move the games

632
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: up right because people were saying, you know, the winter

633
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: is going to be rough, like if colleges are going

634
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: to close for Thanksgiving, et cetera, et cetera, And then

635
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: that totally shifted, right. So there have been ebbs and

636
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: flows in this and you know, I think that that's

637
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: been an important piece of this as people have tried

638
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: to work through these contingency plans and seen what's available.

639
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: And then again like in the last two weeks, you know,

640
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: as the outbreaks in tests in intensified. I can't speak

641
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: in certain parts of the country that are college football hopeds,

642
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: and you had a number of programs that had to

643
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: suspend voluntary workouts. Like those two things happen at the

644
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: same time. They're obviously connected, but they happened at the

645
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: same time. They happened at a lot of different campuses.

646
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: You've already had some of them happen with college basketball

647
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: programs that are back on campuses as well, and it

648
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: all just leads to this wave of pessimism. And Larry's

649
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: Scott from the PAC twelve talked about that a couple

650
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: times in the last week, and it's basically saying like

651
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: this is a microcosm of society and it's not going

652
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: well because you know, it's saying the States that we

653
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: opened stuff up too soon then had outbreaks, and you're saying, like,

654
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: let's basically do that, but on a college campus, like

655
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: it's the opposite of a bubble in my mind, like

656
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you know, the NBA bubble and everything

657
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: being regulated. A college campus you can't do that, and

658
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: again you're gonna be at risk going to classes, being

659
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: in the cafeteria. This idea that like people wouldn't hang

660
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: out or invite other people into their dorm rooms, Like

661
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: it's just it's not realistic to to ask college students

662
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: to do that. And I think that, you know, you're

663
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: just envisioning adding more and more regular college students into

664
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: this environment with the athletes who are already testing positive,

665
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: and then everyone who's interacted with them has to quarantine, right,

666
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: so it's shutting things down. It's you know, trainers have

667
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: to quarantine teammates too, and then you're on to add

668
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: a general student population. So that's where the pessimism has

669
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: has started from and really just kind of grown so

670
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 2: you know, I mean again, I think two weeks ago

671
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: the conversations were very, very different.

672
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: Even though we are talking about young men. The reality

673
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 3: is that a lot of coaches, administrators' trainers are talking

674
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: to parents and family members of these players and getting input,

675
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: even if it's just about football stuff. It's how dare

676
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: you switch his position? How dare you cut his playing time?

677
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's dialogue happening now about public health issues.

678
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: What do you know about conversations between coaches and family

679
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: members of players with regard to plans for the health

680
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: of their children.

681
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting question because I thought there

682
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: would be potentially more issues in those areas. Like I

683
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: thought that it was a very realistic pop possibility that

684
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: people wouldn't come back, like in droves, or like parents

685
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't let people come back, Like I know, there's a

686
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: lot of college football players that want to play obviously,

687
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: but I didn't think all of their parents would let

688
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: them do that necessarily. Like you feel invincible when you're

689
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen and you're a getting super healthy and you know,

690
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: great physical shape. But really the only like we've had

691
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: some parents come out and say things, You've had some

692
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: players come out and say things, you know, especially as

693
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: like the state has outbreaks or they've you know adjusted,

694
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, how many students they are going to allow back,

695
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 2: and how many classes are going to be online. Only

696
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: you've had a couple of players point out like, well

697
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: then why am I here? The only real push or

698
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: kind of like concerted effort is really been used to

699
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: LA and the strength in numbers, and that's the players

700
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: asking for like a third party to like ensure the

701
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: health and safety guidelines. I thought something like that might

702
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: happen in more places. I really did. And even despite

703
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: the power dynamics that are at play in college sports,

704
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, again from parents whoever it might be. So,

705
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: I think that there was a lot of frustration leading

706
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: into voluntary workouts about you know, what is the communication,

707
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: what what measures are actually going to be taken and

708
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: you know, I you haven't heard as much grumblings about that,

709
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't know. Again, there's there's a

710
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: lot of guys who want to play. There's there's people

711
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: of different you know, beliefs about the severity of this

712
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: of this virus too, so like that's certainly part of it.

713
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: But but I do think, you know, communication with with

714
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: their coaches, with their you know, administrators on different campuses

715
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: about like exactly how this works was something that was

716
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: lacking in a lot of places on the front end

717
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: of this, and and maybe that got better.

718
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: We've heard about coaches like James Franklin and Dave Clausen

719
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: isolating themselves from family for health purposes because they have

720
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: you know, compromised family members. How widespread, would you guess,

721
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: or do you know, to whatever extent is coaching apprehension

722
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: a group of people that are older and that answer

723
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: to a number of people about exposing themselves to risk.

724
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: We'll see. I think that's one of the underrated storylines

725
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: honestly going into all of this, and I know it's

726
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: come up a little bit in some of the other

727
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: sports restarts. But yeah, there are a lot of coaches

728
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: that are in you know, age ranges that put them

729
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: more at risk. There's players who who you know, have

730
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: pre existing conditions that could be at risk. And I

731
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: think that one thing, you know, when you talk to

732
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: folks about like we did a story on these helmet shields, right,

733
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: and I spoke to the NCAA's chief medical Officer, doctor

734
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: Brian Hayinlin, and one of the things he brought up was,

735
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: you know, everyone on the sideline is going to have

736
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: to wear a face shield or a mask. And the

737
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: idea is too that part of the reason to have

738
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: a face shield in your helmet is because when that

739
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: player comes off the field and gets within six feet

740
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: of his coach, who is over the age of sixty,

741
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 2: he needs to protect you know, himself, and both sides

742
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: need to protect themselves, right, so that that player who

743
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: could be infectious is not infecting the coach. So that's

744
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: a concern and I've talked to different commissioners about that

745
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: as well, is about protecting those coaches, you know, and

746
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: you've obviously got people who are going to go interact

747
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: with their families and family members and other people, teachers

748
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: and other people in the community that are in those

749
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: those at risk groups too, But I think, you know,

750
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: absolutely there's going to be a lot on the sidelines,

751
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: and I don't know the level of apprehension it would

752
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: take for someone not to do it, because you know

753
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: a lot of these coaches do unhealthy things all the time, right,

754
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: Like they sleep in their offices and eat fast food

755
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: and whatever things they know are bad for them, but

756
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: they love football and they you know, want to do

757
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: it right. But I do do you think you know

758
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: you're going to have to have some of these coaches

759
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: making those decisions in all sports. College basketball has a

760
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: lot of coaches that are in that you know, over

761
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: the age of sixty two, So it's going to be

762
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: interesting to see how that shakes out. But like I said,

763
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we already know these coaches like do unhealthy

764
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: behaviors all the time, So maybe it would take like

765
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: a doctor really kind of requiring it as much as

766
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: they possibly could for that to happen. But you know,

767
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: that is part of the calculation here, when you when

768
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: you hear the way that people talk about how sidelines

769
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: are going to be set up and practices like that

770
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: is part of the calculation, Like how do you protect

771
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: the coaching population all right.

772
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: Nicole Auerback, let me get you out of here on this.

773
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: We'll try to end it on a on a little

774
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: bit of a higher note. Have you heard any wacky

775
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: ideas about how to combat this on the college football field?

776
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: Are there any really bad or just really creative ideas

777
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: that you've heard along the way.

778
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: No, But I have really liked, you know how he

779
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: saw some of those photos. I holier they have. I'm

780
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: like Europe somewhere where there was people who were like

781
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: at a cafe but wearing noodles on their hat and

782
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: it was just like keeping people six feet apart. Like,

783
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 2: I love ideas like that, or those like those inflatable

784
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: bubble ball things. Yeah, like all that stuff. Even just

785
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: if you did that, like for one day of practice,

786
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: just to like make everyone laugh, would I would just

787
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: get a kick out of it, you know, you know

788
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: it would be most likely to do this would be

789
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: like Nick Rolovich. I should probably text him this idea.

790
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: He's someone who would do it.

791
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: Her name is to Coole hour Back again, senior writer

792
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: for The Athletic. Check out her podcast as well Coaches

793
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Clubhouse from Serious XM. Nicole keep us posted if you

794
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: hear anything new and keep up all the great work.

795
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Your reporting has been great on this. Thank you so much.

796
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: All right, thanks guys, stay safe.

797
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: All right? Dan Nicole hour back again. The Athletic very

798
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: pleased to have her back on the show, long time

799
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: friend of the solid verbal. How do you feel after

800
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: hearing Nichole's insight.

801
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm crossing fingers, I'm crossing toes, I'm crossing everything else, ty,

802
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: I feel like rightfully so, a lot of administrators don't

803
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: know what to do because this is nothing that you're

804
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: trained for. You're trained to lean on as many experts

805
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: and smart people around you as possible. But the fact is,

806
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: there's no playbook for this football term. There's no playbook

807
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: for how to navigate a global situation like this, keeping

808
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: players safe, managing schedules, managing travel using safety protocols that

809
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: are brand new. It's not that I feel for them specifically,

810
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 3: because the actual victims here are the victims. But it's

811
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: hard to get a sense of confidence that people know

812
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: what they're doing because the smartest, most experienced, most knowledgeable

813
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: people are learning on the fly. So it's hard to

814
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: imagine that people trained in college administration and run fits

815
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: and recruiting coordination are going to be able to figure

816
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: out how to navigate this in the next month or so.

817
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Ay hard the truth now, I wanted to ask her,

818
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: we ran out of time. What is the what is

819
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: the risk here? Like the realistic possibility that if they

820
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: just blow up season altogether, if they push it off

821
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: till spring, if they design spring, they can't have it again.

822
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: We don't. I don't want this to happen. But if

823
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: it comes to fruition, what is the actual likelihood of

824
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: some of these programs going belly up? Because that's the

825
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: other thing we've heard about with regard to testing, with

826
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: regard to some of these smaller schools just not getting

827
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: the paycheck from playing the big school right the Ohio

828
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: States and the band not getting their two million dollar

829
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: paycheck from Tennessee. What happens, What happens if that, if

830
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: that comes to fruition. I hope it doesn't. We'll have

831
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: to wait and see what happens in due time. Again,

832
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: by the time many folks listen to this, we'll have

833
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: news from the IVY League and we could talk about

834
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: that on the Friday show that ups Friday morning. It

835
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: will be interesting times ahead. Though college football is fragmented.

836
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: We don't have a commissioner. We have a lot of conferences.

837
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: We can hope that they're talking. Nicole seem to indicate

838
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: they are. I've heard some other speculation that they're talking

839
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot, maybe not as much as they should. We'll

840
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: find all this out in due time, certainly a lot

841
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: more over the next few weeks, but we are keenly

842
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: interested and aware in this news that is forthcoming and

843
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: pretty important, pretty important as it relates to having a

844
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: season in the twenty twenty calendar year.

845
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question that is deeply subjective

846
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: and has no right answer, and it's just your personal

847
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: internal clock engage, Please, what is your confidence level that

848
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: everything's surrounding college football, not within college football? So I'm

849
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: saying American society at large, and I know different states

850
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: are in different places, But what is your confidence level

851
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: right now, knowing what we've been through with different levels

852
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: of success across the country, what is your confidence level

853
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: that things will dramatically improve outside of college football to

854
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: make college football seem more feasible, that the bigger picture

855
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: is trending in this case steeply downward.

856
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Right. Well, this gets back to your optics question. Right, Yeah, yeah,

857
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to put on a season when it

858
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: feels like things are getting worse. Right, I don't have

859
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: a high level of confidence, to be honest, Okay, I don't,

860
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: and I try to be as optimistic as possible, But yeah,

861
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: things are just trending get a very bad direction. They've

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Speaker 1: been for the last week and a half. I think

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Speaker 1: it correlates directly with this wave of pessimism we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Eventually will come out of this, Eventually, will be all right.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, sports unfortunately takes a back seat when it

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Speaker 1: feels like the are much more important things to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Hope I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to make the case. I am desperate to

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Speaker 3: be wrong. It's hard to make the case that we

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Speaker 3: as a people have earned college football. It's hard to

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Speaker 3: make that case right now.

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Speaker 1: I would agree, I would agree, But we'll see, we'll

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Speaker 1: see where things go. Well, expect the worst and hope

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Speaker 1: for the best. There's another wise man once said, let

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Speaker 1: us know your thoughts, so oliverble at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: So with that all being said, Dan, I recognize you

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Speaker 1: recognize that bit of a bummer this year. Right, The

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Speaker 1: topics that we're talking about are heavy for college football fans,

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Speaker 1: for sports shows just for people to listen to. It's

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Speaker 1: not fun. So I think what we're going to try

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Speaker 1: to do on Fridays spice it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Given circumstances, we're going to do our best to to

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Speaker 1: at least have a more fun show. So we got

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Speaker 1: a fun little show planned. I think it'll be a

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Speaker 1: welcome break from all the heaviness that I think you

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Speaker 1: find whenever you go out to read about college football news.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're brought down a little bit by

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Speaker 1: this one, come back on Friday morning. We're going to

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Speaker 1: do our best to liven it up a bit.

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Speaker 3: If this was a problem episode, our next episode will

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Speaker 3: be a solution one.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think is that a problem problem? Or no,

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Speaker 1: that's something that's not a problem problem. Still not coming

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Speaker 1: around to that, Okay, okay, fair enough. We'll try to

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Speaker 1: pick it up a little bit and end the week

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Speaker 1: on a high note. Appreciate y'all downloading again. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: the subscribe, don't forget to leave a review, don't forget

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Speaker 1: to follow along out there on all the social channel's

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Speaker 1: been doing a lot on Twitter, on Facebook, and on Instagram. Yep,

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Speaker 1: coming soon to a YouTube near you. You can find

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Speaker 1: those links again in our website Soliverbal dot com, where

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Speaker 1: you can also subscribe to the newsletter. Can you make

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Speaker 1: me a promise? I can think you swear yes.

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Speaker 3: Will you do your stay solid that's about to happen

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Speaker 3: as Yoda Bane.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, Okay, I think I can try.

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Speaker 3: Okay, leave that in for

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Speaker 1: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for

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Speaker 1: my self, Tie Hildebred, Stay solid, Cruz