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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. I hope all of you had fabulous weekends.

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Speaker 2: We are ready to have a fun Monday with all

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Speaker 2: of you, break down the latest stories out there and

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Speaker 2: help to make.

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Speaker 3: The world a little bit more, I.

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Speaker 2: Would say, basically saying, in an insane world, as you've

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Speaker 2: heard us talk about for a very long time, we

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Speaker 2: got a lot to dive into. Donald Trump currently testifying

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Speaker 2: in a civil trial in New York City.

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Speaker 3: He is on the witness stand. We'll let you know

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Speaker 3: how that is going.

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Speaker 2: There is a manifesto at least a few of the

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Speaker 2: pages from the trans shooter in Nashville, and spoiler alert,

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Speaker 2: turns out the trans shooter actually not a big fan

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Speaker 2: of white kids. And many more details I think are

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Speaker 2: going to come out, but the first few pages of

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Speaker 2: the trans shooter manifesto being released. But we begin buck

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Speaker 2: with what is at the top of the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: There are two polls that came out over the course

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. One CBS News has Donald Trump up

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Speaker 2: three points fifty one to forty eight. As we are

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Speaker 2: essentially sitting at one year until the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, before we get into the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four election, if you are listening to us right

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Speaker 2: now in Kentucky, in Mississippi, in Virginia, and probably in

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Speaker 2: other states as well, there are major elections taking place

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Speaker 2: in your states tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Go vote, get.

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Speaker 2: Out, and make sure that you make a difference in

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Speaker 2: the elections that are taking place tomorrow. In particular, the

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Speaker 2: closest election statewide is expected to be in the state

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Speaker 2: of Kentucky. You need to go vote for Daniel Cameron,

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Speaker 2: and you need to get out, and you need to

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Speaker 2: do what Democrats do. Vote early and often all day

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and make sure that Kentucky does not have a

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Speaker 2: Democrat governor by the time we are talking to you

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. So Buck, here are the results front page

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Speaker 2: News New York Times of the battleground poll. In Nevada,

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Speaker 2: Trump is up ten. In Georgia, Trump is up six,

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Speaker 2: In Arizona, Trump is up five. In Michigan, Trump is

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Speaker 2: up five, and in Pennsylvania Trump is up for Biden

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Speaker 2: only leads in the six battleground states in which they

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Speaker 2: polled one year out.

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Speaker 3: In Wisconsin, where Biden is up two.

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Speaker 2: I looked at these results, and I want to hit

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Speaker 2: you with the thing that jumped out to me the most,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about this later. Certainly a big part

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Speaker 2: of this is Biden hemorrhaging support among minority voters. But here,

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Speaker 2: to me is the essence of the entire race right now.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that Biden's policies have helped you personally

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Speaker 2: or hurt you personally? On an economic basis, Biden helped

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent, hurt fifty three percent. Donald Trump helped

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Speaker 2: fifty three percent hurt thirty four percent. To me, that

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Speaker 2: is the essence of the race right now. We basically

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Speaker 2: have two incumbents. People remember Donald Trump's presidency as helping them,

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Speaker 2: and right now they see Joe Biden's presidency as hurting them.

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Speaker 4: So there's this phrase that appears in a few places

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Speaker 4: with regard to the latest polling data about Trump v.

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Speaker 3: Biden.

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Speaker 4: It's a five alarm Biden reelection fire. That's what the

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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal says. I saw it also in the

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Speaker 4: right up of the Siena College polling, and what they're

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Speaker 4: saying is based on these numbers. Going into this election year,

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Speaker 4: the Democrat incumbent is in a far weaker position than

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Speaker 3: And this is real.

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Speaker 4: This is Notuplicans are seizing on one poll or this

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Speaker 4: is some you know, aberrant data collection that they can ignore.

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Speaker 4: This is where the country looks to be right now.

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Speaker 4: In terms of who would win if the election were

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Speaker 4: held tomorrow. I would be very confident that Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: would actually defeat Joe Biden if the election were held tomorrow. Now,

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Speaker 4: as we all know, the election is going to be

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Speaker 4: held in a year, and that's an eternity in politics.

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Speaker 4: What does this mean though for Biden? And well, is

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Speaker 4: out there. I think this was in the New York Times.

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Speaker 4: It might have been Wall Street Journal. The twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: four election rematch that Americans dread looks likely. Democrats are

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Speaker 4: recognizing Clay that the time, as we've said all along,

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Speaker 4: to qualify for state ballots is almost gone. There is

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Speaker 4: incumbent president's no process, there's no infrastructure. So what ends

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Speaker 4: And that's they got a month. They got a month,

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Speaker 4: give or take. Where now you're talking about, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 4: on all the ballots. Well, good luck with that one.

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Speaker 4: So then that brings me to the other thing that

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Speaker 4: was interesting in all this data because it looks great

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Speaker 4: for Trump vi Biden. Generic Democrat according to you know,

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Speaker 4: the same numbers that were coming out over the weekend

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Speaker 4: that we're looking at, generic Democrat beats Trump pretty handily.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So where does that leave you?

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Speaker 4: And does that mean that Kamala Harris, as much as

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Speaker 4: we all think she's terrible and we do, is Kamala

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Speaker 4: And does that become a conversation that they have to have.

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Speaker 2: So when I looked at all this data, I think

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Speaker 2: you can ask the question, is this.

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Speaker 3: More an endorsement of Trump or repudiation of Biden. I

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Speaker 2: Repudiation of Biden because it's not like Trump's favorability numbers

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Speaker 2: are skyrocketing. Buck most people really kind of don't like

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Speaker 2: Trump nationwide we like Trump, but nationwide most people about

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Speaker 2: half the country loves Trump and about half the country

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Speaker 2: uh does not love him, but his favorability isn't changing.

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Speaker 2: What's happened is Biden has tanked. And here's my thing

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. I hope let me, let me take

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Speaker 2: a step back. I agree with the poll. I think

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Speaker 2: Biden is the weakest candidate that Democrats can put forward.

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Speaker 2: I know you buy in on the incumbency and all

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Speaker 2: of that. I think the problem with Biden is people

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Speaker 2: have made up their minds and there's nothing he can

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Speaker 2: do to change the fact that he is old and

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Speaker 2: he isn't mentally or physically capable of doing the job.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna change their mind on that.

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Speaker 4: To me, Clay, it's like they're releasing a big movie

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Speaker 4: and they've already made the movie and they've done some

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Speaker 4: screen testing, and the lead actor for the Democrats that's

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Speaker 4: supposed to carry the movie is doing really badly. But

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Speaker 4: at this point, the only option would be to cgi

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Speaker 4: it's that's a worse option even than what they have.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of the way I view this. It's they

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Speaker 4: Man is not getting it done, but to replace him

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Speaker 4: require than what they currently have. Although those numbers that

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Speaker 4: show generic democrat beating Trump, I mean, here we go,

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Speaker 4: unnamed democrat leads Trump by eight points, and they say

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Speaker 4: that this is in part reflecting that seventy one percent

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Speaker 4: of voters say Biden is too old to run again, including.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the key fifty Democrats and Buck, that's the

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Speaker 2: part where I keep coming back to this, and I

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Speaker 3: I just I can't believe.

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Speaker 2: I know, what's what's the guy's name, Phillips or whatever

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Speaker 2: or who's that guy who's running for Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: That's what everyone's saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why wouldn't somebody like JB. Pritzker or uh Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom actually run? Because Buck, I think if one big

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Speaker 2: I'm just giving you a heads up, I'm jumping in

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Speaker 2: this race. I'm concerned by the numbers that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: beating Trump is too important to give him a chance

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Speaker 2: a chance to win. I think if one big name

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Speaker 2: come out and announce he's not running because and then

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Speaker 2: I think they'd all jump in.

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Speaker 4: The only way and this is you know, David acts

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Speaker 4: a Rod has a piece and he's probably thought of

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Speaker 4: still I mean him, Valerie Jarrett, but you know, really

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Speaker 3: Couple of them, Susan Rice.

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Speaker 4: But he says that the only person who can stop

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden is Joe Biden, meaning if Biden wants to be.

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Speaker 3: The nominee, He's going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 4: Right, So to your point, it would have to be

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Speaker 4: that someone gets in and Biden allows that to be

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Speaker 4: What you can have is a serious challenge from within

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Speaker 4: case against Biden that he's too old, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 4: He's a crepit, et cetera. And maybe it's unsuccessful, but

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Speaker 4: he wounds the Biden presidency in the process, and you

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Speaker 4: don't have to do that much given the numbers we're seeing,

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Speaker 4: and then you're effectively handing the election to Trump, right,

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Speaker 4: So we would have to be almost a choreographed the

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Speaker 3: And Clay, let's look at these politicians we've.

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Speaker 4: Seen, whether it's Feinstein or Pelosi or McConnell or go

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Speaker 4: They never step away from power, and I don't think

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden's about to, certainly now with the sun facing

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Speaker 2: Which well, yeah, which in Politico suddenly said, hey wait,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff here to see that story

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Speaker 2: suddenly coming out. But I think it almost has to

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Speaker 2: be like an intervention buck, you know how Unfortunately I've

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Speaker 2: never had to be involved, but I've seen enough stories

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Speaker 2: about them. Somebody has an alcohol or drug problem, and

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Speaker 2: you know, they walk into the living room and suddenly

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Speaker 3: We've all seen it, We've all seen how it's structured.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I think that you would need multiple Democrat contenders

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Speaker 2: to all say, Joe, we're getting and in the race.

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Speaker 3: Davin Newsom, JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, and they all say, behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: we're going to enter the race, but we don't want

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Speaker 2: to be seen as forcing you or even running against you.

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Speaker 2: We want you to have the opportunity to step out first.

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Speaker 4: It turns into like the end of Game of Thrones,

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Speaker 4: which unfortunately you really just should have stopped watching after

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Speaker 4: the stat of the Battle of the Bastards and like

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Speaker 4: the last two seasons, just don't even waste your time.

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Speaker 4: But it's the end of Game of Thrones. It's like, well,

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Speaker 4: who's going to be the king now? Because you've got

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Speaker 4: all these people who all think they should be the

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Speaker 4: king in this process that you're talking about where you

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Speaker 4: have a bunch of Democrats that let's say, do the

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Speaker 4: intervention with Biden. First of all, I don't believe Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden will listen to them. I think Joe Biden still

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Speaker 4: thinks he's got more in the tank. And if that's

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Speaker 4: one more year and he gets to pass the torch.

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Speaker 4: He gets to pass the mantle of democracy to the

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Speaker 4: first black female president of the Democrat Party, and that

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Speaker 1: Today speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Join now by

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Speaker 2: our friend compadre Andy McCarthy, Legal Analysts Extraordinay Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: Andy.

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Speaker 2: When you see all the numbers and I know you

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Speaker 2: Let's presume that Jack Smith gets his trial with Judge

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Speaker 3: What happens then, and.

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Speaker 2: Both Bucke and myself are increasingly of the opinion that

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Speaker 5: Well, I think a lot of play depends on what

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is interesting too, So Buck and I have

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Speaker 2: What would you set the over under on completed trials

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to probably contradict myself because I think

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Speaker 5: not sure that I was more confident that the Washington

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Speaker 5: But if he can get it to the Court of Appeals,

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Speaker 4: Speaking of any McCarthy of a National Review and Andy,

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Speaker 4: So do you think that the Democrats if you look

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Speaker 3: I mean, one, do you think they're going to be

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Speaker 5: Well, I think if they get the Washington case to trial,

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you next. Do

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Speaker 5: Well, man, I gotta say. When I saw that thing

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Speaker 5: But I got, you know, desperate times, goal for desperate measures,

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Speaker 5: I wrote a column over the weekend about the Biden

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Speaker 4: So, just so Women's Clare Andy, the Bidens were getting

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I said my column over the weekend that

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Speaker 5: Did I say billion, I meant million with an M.

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Speaker 2: That's all blockbuster. Last question for you, Andy, Keep up

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Speaker 2: What if the Supreme Court basically tries to drag this out,

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Speaker 2: Do you think basically the Supreme Court might try to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Clay, I think that absolutely would happen. I think

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Speaker 3: As we mentioned, fellow conservative.

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Speaker 4: Personality podcaster Stephen Frowder has broken a part of these

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Speaker 4: broken news here with a part of the Nashville Covenant

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Speaker 4: school shooter manifesto. If we all remember back earlier in

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Speaker 4: the year, there was this horrific mass shooting, mass casualty

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Speaker 4: attack where children were killed by this self identified transgender terrorist.

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Speaker 4: And we have gone through many, many months now of

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Speaker 4: saying where is the manifesto? We know law enforcement said

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Speaker 4: there was a manifesto, and at one point we're even

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Speaker 4: saying they were going to release lest the manifesto. Other shooters,

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Speaker 4: other terrorists, other deranged mass murderers with manifestos have had

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Speaker 4: them released. This is a standing standard operating procedure for

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Speaker 4: law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: The public right to.

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Speaker 4: Know is thought to outweigh the additional hurt and emotional

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Speaker 4: emotional turmoil that would come from the release of these things.

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Speaker 3: Not in this case, though, And we have been.

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Speaker 4: Saying all along that it seems like that is clearly political,

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Speaker 4: and this is meant to be a case where they

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Speaker 4: won't release something and hold it as long as they

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Speaker 4: at least hold it as long as they possibly can,

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Speaker 4: so that there won't be any political consequences, say for

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Speaker 4: the ideology or for any politicians who are espousing rhetoric

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Speaker 4: or taking positions that may have in some way influenced

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Speaker 4: this school this school shooter. And now we have some

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Speaker 4: of these pages, Clay, and it's three pages of what

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Speaker 4: I believe is a much longer manifesto, And we credit

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Speaker 4: Louder with Crowder for this here.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't want to read all of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the basics are things like quote, here's a quote.

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Speaker 4: I want to kill all you little crackers is the

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Speaker 4: term she uses here. I hope I have a high

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Speaker 4: death count. I'm ready. I hope my victims aren't. I'm

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Speaker 4: ready to die. I'm a little nervous, but excited and

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Speaker 4: excited for the past few weeks. I can't believe it's here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I was able to get this far,

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Speaker 4: but I am. I'm ready. I hope my victims are.

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Speaker 4: My only fear is if anything goes wrong, I'll do

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Speaker 4: my best to prevent. So basically, this is the pages

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Speaker 4: we have show a hatred of.

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Speaker 3: White children, white privilege.

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Speaker 4: Crackers obviously derogatory term used for white people, and this

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Speaker 4: trans terrorist was obsessed play with a narrative of anti

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Speaker 4: whiteness and anti white privilege as part. Now this is

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Speaker 4: just a fragment, this is just a few pages of

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Speaker 4: a much longer manifesto, but this was a left wing

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Speaker 4: terrorist politically who was motivated by anti whiteness, at least

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Speaker 4: in part based on this manifesto.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this buck and again.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be And I know I'm from Nashville, and

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of the families that are impacted here.

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Speaker 2: My kids go to school with a lot of the

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Speaker 2: brothers and sisters who went to this school, so this

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Speaker 2: strikes very close to home here. But here is another

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Speaker 2: page of what she wrote on what she dates as

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Speaker 2: February third, twenty twenty three. Kill those kids, those crackers

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Speaker 2: going to private, fancy schools with those fancy khakis and

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Speaker 2: sports backpacks, with their mommy's and daddy's mustangs and convertibles.

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Speaker 2: F you little s I wish to shoot you weak

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Speaker 2: ass with your mop yellow hair. Want to kill all

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Speaker 2: you little crackers bunch a little gay slur with your

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Speaker 2: white privilege fu F word. I think I didn't commit

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Speaker 2: any FCC violations there, but this is one of the

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Speaker 2: pages that's out there. I have been told that there

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Speaker 2: are many pages like this, and we have been saying

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Speaker 2: on this show that this should have been out a

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Speaker 2: long time ago. And I mean to itemize of what

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Speaker 3: And how specific she was in her attack.

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Speaker 4: There's there's more of a focus here, Clay on a

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Speaker 4: deranged anti whiteness and and the look that some of

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Speaker 4: the rhetoric that you're hearing here is something more along

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Speaker 4: the lines of what you would hear at a like

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Speaker 4: an antiq a left wing anti cop and anti police rally.

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of focus on whiteness and and

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Speaker 4: a racial angle to the stuff. There may be a

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Speaker 4: lot more about the trans you know, transgender opposition and that,

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Speaker 4: but for right now, it seems like and we're we're

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Speaker 4: clearly talking about a deranged individual, as deranged as one

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Speaker 4: can get, and she was, you know, she was killed

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Speaker 4: by an officer who responded heroically to the scene. But

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Speaker 4: when you're trying to get a census to you know,

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Speaker 4: what may have ideologically, what may be some of the

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Speaker 4: threads that were involved in the thinking of this clearly

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Speaker 4: very sick person who's I mean, only a truly deranged,

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Speaker 4: evil and sick person can go and shoot well a

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Speaker 4: bunch of people, period, but children. Certainly there is a

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Speaker 4: left wing fixation on white privilege and whiteness as let's

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Speaker 4: just be honest, Joe Biden says that you know, effectively,

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Speaker 4: you know what, you know, white supremacy is the biggest

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Speaker 4: threat to the nation, and this is the biggest concern

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Speaker 4: that is out there for some people on the left.

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Speaker 4: This concept of whiteness and the oppression from it and

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Speaker 4: all the rest of it, and that maniacal focus can

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Speaker 4: have consequences and can can influence people who are already

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Speaker 4: be on the edge. Perhaps, but the rhetoric is damaging

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Speaker 4: and if this were a different kind of manifesto, we

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Speaker 4: know we would have been talking for months months earlier.

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Speaker 3: About whatever rhetoric was involved.

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Speaker 2: If any other race had been targeted with what I

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Speaker 2: read to you, it would have been the number one

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Speaker 2: story four weeks and we would have to have a

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Speaker 2: national conversation about how such a thing could happen. I

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Speaker 2: want to remind everybody again, this is my hometown. Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden never came to Nashville. Joe Biden went to Lewiston, Maine.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden went to Buffalo, Joe Biden went to.

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Speaker 3: Yu've all day. Never came to Nashville. They have known.

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Speaker 2: The FBI, by the way, we should say, has declined

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Speaker 2: comment on the release of these pages from her manifesto.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden knew what was in this manifesto when you

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Speaker 2: immediately saw that he.

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Speaker 3: Didn't show up in Nashville. Let me just tell it

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Speaker 3: to you this way.

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Speaker 2: If this had been someone who wrote the same page

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Speaker 2: about wanting to kill black people or Hispanic Pece people,

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Speaker 2: do you think.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden would have come to Nashville. He would have been.

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Speaker 2: Here within the day, certainly would have been there within

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. He never came. Now, Jill Biden, his wife, came.

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Speaker 2: But understand the way the narrative gets created. They knew

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Speaker 2: almost instantaneously inside of the Biden White House. Uh oh,

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Speaker 2: this is a transshooter, crazy as almost all shooters are

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Speaker 2: crazy and motivated by hate against white people. And I

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Speaker 2: am told there is writings dealing with the trans agenda.

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Speaker 2: I'm also told Buck that one reason she went she

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Speaker 2: scouted schools, and one reason she went to Covenant was

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Speaker 2: because there was not a substantial police presence there, of security,

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Speaker 2: armed security. Yeah, yes, that's a huge part of this

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Speaker 2: story too. Why did Joe Biden not go to Nashville?

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Speaker 2: And why? I bet will you not see this coverared?

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Speaker 2: This is not gonna I would bet maybe I'll be wrong.

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Speaker 2: I bet this isn't gonna be on the front page

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Speaker 2: of the New York Times tomorrow. I bet it's not

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Speaker 2: going to be on the front page of the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: The Democrat Party refuses to ever acknowledge that pathological anti

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Speaker 4: whiteness and the obsession with white privilege, and the the

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Speaker 4: exaggerated fear of white supremacy and even you know, white nationalists,

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Speaker 4: terrorists and all this, all the things they talk about

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Speaker 4: that they will never admit that that stuff is.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: First of all, exaggerated, but that also that their cynical

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Speaker 4: political focus on that can have really negative consequences in

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Speaker 4: our society. Yes, and they create effectively a bigotry that

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Speaker 4: has no bottom. I mean, there's no you will never

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Speaker 4: be told you are. The stuff you're saying about whiteness

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Speaker 4: is damaging and too destructive. You could say anything about it.

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Speaker 4: You could say that, you know, whiteness is a genocidal ideology,

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Speaker 4: and you talking about the Native Americans or you know,

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Speaker 4: whiteness is horrible, and then you get into a conversation

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Speaker 4: where you say, well, hold on a second, that that's

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Speaker 4: aren't we judging people by skin color? And aren't we

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Speaker 4: creating you know, in society and animosity with that kind

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Speaker 4: of uh, that kind of language, that kind of analysis.

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Speaker 3: And the left believes that it is warranted.

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Speaker 4: And they'll say, oh, but what about the white people, said, well, yes,

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Speaker 4: they they think that they separate themselves from that evil

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Speaker 4: of whiteness by decrying it and by you know, calling

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Speaker 4: out white privilege and all these things that are mandated

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Speaker 4: at all these colleges and universities. Obviously doesn't turn everybody

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Speaker 4: into terrorists. We're not saying that it does, but This

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Speaker 4: is toxic ideology, and toxic ideology in the wrong hands

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Speaker 4: or in the wrong mind, I should say, can have

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Speaker 4: really horrific consequences.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden didn't come here. Just factor that in.

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Speaker 2: But what you just said, Jewish people are finding out

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Speaker 2: too right, because this ties in with the idea that

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Speaker 2: Jews were actually the victim of a terror attack. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: hundred innocent Jewish people were murdered, and left wing ideology

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Speaker 2: dictates that because brown people murdered Jews. There are many

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Speaker 2: people in the United States, particularly of young ages, and

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Speaker 2: also of leftist ideology, that refused to believe that Jews

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Speaker 2: could be victims because they are white. And this ties in,

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Speaker 2: I think with this shooting that has occurred here as well.

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Speaker 2: And we're sitting at buck This happened in March.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. It took eight months essentially.

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Speaker 4: For actually get out three pages, and it hasn't been verified,

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Speaker 4: as you point out, by the FBI. But there was

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Speaker 4: never any I mean, the reasons they gave they said,

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Speaker 4: the families of the victims, you didn't want the pages released,

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Speaker 4: or something along those lines. That has not stopped other

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Speaker 4: manifestos from being released are all the family is always

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Speaker 4: asked and you know, what is it like a You know,

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Speaker 4: they see whoever has the majority?

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Speaker 3: Do you want it released? Do you not want it release?

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Speaker 3: Do you want it comes out immediately, bucking me.

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Speaker 2: This person had been a Trump supporting racist, it would

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Speaker 2: have been out within twenty four hours, every word everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It would have been emblazoned on the front page of

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Speaker 2: every newspaper. They would have been leading. CNN and MSNBC

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Speaker 2: broadcast with it, talking about the toxicity of white MAGA

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Speaker 2: supporters and how we had needed to have a national

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Speaker 2: conversation about white supremacy. I will be I it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting put a pin in this discussion. Let's see how

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Speaker 2: the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN

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Speaker 2: and MSNBC cover this. I give credit to Stephen Crowder

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Speaker 2: for putting this out there, because it should have been

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Speaker 2: out twenty four hours after the attack.

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Speaker 3: We knew who the killer was.

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Speaker 2: And again, we try not to broadcast killer names on

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Speaker 2: this show because I don't like to make them famous.

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Speaker 2: But these men in festos always get out, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's important to have a discussion about what motivated

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Speaker 4: Not to take anything away from you know Louder with

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Speaker 1: Blade Travis and Buck Sexton chuck up a win for

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Speaker 1: Team Reality.

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Speaker 4: Jim Jordan is with us now, Congressman, appreciate you making.

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Speaker 3: The time, sir. That's gond be with you.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the border. A lot of people concerned

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Speaker 4: about the threat of particularly some kind of Iranian backed

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Speaker 4: or Iranian directed, you know, terror cell activity hitting us

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Speaker 4: out on the homeland. FBI Director's been warning about this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a topic of conversation from the

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Speaker 4: people who are supposed to be defending the country. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: we have the most wide open border in living memory.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps. Ever, what do you make of the threat year

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Speaker 3: and what can be done about it?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that's you know, just common sense. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: because you know you have a wide open border, you

721
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Speaker 7: have what one hundred and fifty on the Terrace watch list,

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Speaker 7: who ended the country, had this guy run around for

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Speaker 7: two weeks before they got ahold of him. And then

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Speaker 7: of course you have what Director Rate testified to a

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Speaker 7: week ago which said, you know, Hamas could be quote

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Speaker 7: inspiring these crazy people to do crazy, you know, evil

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Speaker 7: things like like what was done in Israel. So it's

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Speaker 7: a bad combination. And maybe the part that's the most

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Speaker 7: ridiculous is that this has all been intentional from the

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Speaker 7: get go with this administration. We actually did a report

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Speaker 7: three weeks ago were released guys where of the two

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Speaker 7: point two million who've been encountered on the board. And

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Speaker 7: it's not talking about the god aways others that got

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Speaker 7: in everything else. The two point two million have been

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Speaker 7: encountered who were claiming asylum. We asked the question of

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Speaker 7: the hearing back this summer they'd get the answer to us.

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Speaker 7: Finally they got the answer to us after we repeatedly

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Speaker 7: asked this in letters to them, how many of those

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Speaker 7: two point two million, how many of those have been

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Speaker 7: to the judication process and been removed from the country,

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Speaker 7: And the answer was six thousand. So that's that's how

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Speaker 7: bad it is. Just people coming in one hundred and

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Speaker 7: fifty some on the watch list just this year. People

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Speaker 7: running around, we don't know, rists running around and it

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Speaker 7: took a couple of weeks to catch him. And then

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Speaker 7: of course with what Christopher Ray hasify to. So, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's a scary, scary situation, but it shouldn't surprise any

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Speaker 7: one when you look at this administration.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan. Jim, appreciate you coming

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Speaker 3: on with us.

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Speaker 7: You bet.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Joe Biden's going to be the nominating

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Speaker 2: I know your buddies with Trump talked to him frequently.

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Speaker 2: Five of this, even in New York Times. Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: now behind in all the swing states. We've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of discussion about it. It's the story of the

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Speaker 2: day in many ways. Do you think Biden's going to

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Speaker 2: be the guy? Or do you think Democrats are going

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Speaker 2: to hit the eject button here?

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Speaker 7: I literally go back and forth. But I guess if

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Speaker 7: there's gonna be a switch, I assume the switch happens

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Speaker 7: right at the end. I assume it happens like right

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Speaker 7: when they get to their convention. I don't think it's

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Speaker 7: going to happen anytime soon. In spite of those numbers, yes,

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Speaker 7: which by the way, we're great. I did talk to

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Speaker 7: the President and like every state, he's just killing him.

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Speaker 7: And then people who think Joe Biden's economic plan is

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Speaker 7: bad and what President Trump did with the economy. I mean,

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Speaker 7: just the unbelievable numbers that we saw in those in

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Speaker 7: this is what CBS new or Times different different polls.

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Speaker 7: So but I go back and forth, and part of

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Speaker 7: me says, like Joe Biden, he's he's one of this forever.

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Speaker 7: He's got it. He's not going anywhere. He's gonna beat

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Speaker 7: like his fingernails, digging in, clinging to it. So I

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Speaker 7: don't know, but my gut says, if there is a switch,

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Speaker 7: it happened last minute. And you know it is a

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Speaker 7: quote Gavin Newsom, you know, riding into the rescue or whatever.

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Speaker 7: For Democrats, I think we can beat him too, in

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Speaker 7: light of what what's happened in California. What I do

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Speaker 7: know is I just want President Trump to be our

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Speaker 7: next president because he means, you know, look, he was

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Speaker 7: so good and so many ways, and everything this administration

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Speaker 7: done has just been a mess. So we'll see. But

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Speaker 7: I literally I go back and forth, and I know

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Speaker 7: you guys have debated at and I've listened to those

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Speaker 7: debates as well, so we'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: You always better want to come out for the steak

788
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Speaker 2: dinner when Buck eventually loses on this one.

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Speaker 3: You know, you want to stay with the buckster on

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Speaker 3: this one.

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, Congress, yeah, I want to I

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Speaker 4: want to ask you about the oversight role here that

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Speaker 4: Congress has been playing and specifically looking at the Biden

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Speaker 4: web of corruption. I mean recently, Representative Comer came out

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Speaker 4: with the forty thousand dollars check the reimbursement for uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, for the loan that no one seems to

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Speaker 4: know where this loan came from or if there's any

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Speaker 4: documentation on the loan. Do you think that oversight activity

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Speaker 4: is part of what has brought Biden's numbers down so much?

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Speaker 4: And are you confident that it will be able to

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Speaker 4: continue so that the American people can make an informed

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Speaker 4: choice this time around? You know, no laptop suppression, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Right right?

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Speaker 7: No, I do think that's part of it. But I

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Speaker 7: think there's a host of us think there's the broader

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Speaker 7: weaponization of government. I mean, we heard about this Friday

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Speaker 7: from Clay that the IRS suddenly shazam, they're going to

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Speaker 7: audit you know, Clay, you know we've we've heard about.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's that that broader I think it's

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Speaker 7: every every area, you know. I always say we went

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Speaker 7: from a secure border to noboarder. We were just talking

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Speaker 7: about that. We went from safe streets to record crime.

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Speaker 7: We went from two dollars gas to five dollar gas,

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Speaker 7: and we went from stable prices to record inflation. And

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Speaker 7: maybe most importantly, we went from being respected around the

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Speaker 7: world projecting strength from the Oval Office to what we

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Speaker 7: see in Ukraine, what we've seen in Israel, because I

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Speaker 7: think largely because of the weakness that Joe Biden, you know,

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Speaker 7: just displays day to day. Not to mention the first

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Speaker 7: thing I talked of there was, which is how the government,

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Speaker 7: how these agencies have been turned against we the people.

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Speaker 7: And we just have example after we just released a

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Speaker 7: report today about how the government SISA was working with

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Speaker 7: the Election Integrity Project at Stanford to censor speech broader

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Speaker 7: than the Twitter files. It was across the board, and

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Speaker 7: it was it was being done in a systematic fashion.

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Speaker 7: So all that together, of course, this is why Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden's numbers.

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Speaker 3: What are they?

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Speaker 7: You know, thirty three percent think he's doing a good job,

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Speaker 7: which I always raises the question in my mind, who

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Speaker 7: were these thirty three percent? I think were headed in

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Speaker 7: the right direction.

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Speaker 2: No, Now we're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan for people

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Speaker 2: out there who were asking for updates. I know you

837
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Speaker 2: guys are in the middle of deposing a ton of

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Speaker 2: people investigating the Biden crime family. What can you tell

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Speaker 2: us about the way those depositions are going as you

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Speaker 2: understand it? And what about Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, but

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Speaker 2: the brother of Joe Biden. What sort of time frame

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Speaker 2: do you think we're moving towards as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: that investigation.

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Speaker 7: No, great question. So Cher macomber is going to subpoena

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Speaker 7: a bunch of people. We were actually going to start

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Speaker 7: helping with those depositions because now that he's got bank records,

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Speaker 7: there are lots of people we need to talk to,

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Speaker 7: including the guy who paid Hunter Biden taxes. Just some

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Speaker 7: donor Shazam comes out of the blue, I'll pay his

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Speaker 7: taxes several million dollars. That guy a bunch of people

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Speaker 7: who were his business partners, in addition to Devin Archer.

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Speaker 7: So we want to talk to all those. We're looking

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Speaker 7: on the Guitary Committee. We're looking at how the investigation

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Speaker 7: was handled. David Wise is in for his deposition tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: The people who don't remember David, Sorry cut you off,

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Speaker 2: but there's so many names running around out there. David

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Speaker 2: Weiss's deposition is significant in your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 7: He's the US attorney who handled the investigation for the

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Speaker 7: last five years. He's the US attorney who tried to

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Speaker 7: put the sweetheart deal and run it past the judge

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Speaker 7: in Delaware. To the judge's credit, she says, no, we're

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Speaker 7: not going to buy this. This is unprecedented. He's the

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Speaker 7: guy who let the taxers for Barisma that the income

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Speaker 7: the millions of dollars sunder Biden was getting when he

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Speaker 7: was working for Barisma on that board, he's let those

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Speaker 7: expire that. This is something Chaplain Zigler the Irs whistleblowers

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Speaker 7: brought to our attention. So we're talking to him the mark.

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Speaker 7: But recently we talked two weeks ago. Today, we talked

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Speaker 7: to Scott Brady, the US attorney in the Western District

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Speaker 7: of Pennsylvania. He was the guy that Bill Barr tasks

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Speaker 7: Biden being the clearinghouse for that, and then getting that

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Speaker 7: to David Weiss and to other US attorneys who were

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Speaker 7: looking into this, particularly the Southern district of New York,

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Speaker 7: and we learned in that interview that there was all

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Speaker 7: kinds of problems. Everything was slow walk.

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Speaker 3: They kept him.

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Speaker 7: They didn't even tell him about the confidential human source

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Speaker 7: you know this ten twenty three form who talked about

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Speaker 7: the money Berisma paid the bidens to ten million dollars.

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Speaker 7: They didn't even tell him about that for six months.

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Speaker 7: And the kicker for me was they never once told

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Speaker 7: him about the laptop. I asked him in the deposition,

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Speaker 7: I said, mister Brady, when'd you learn about the laptop?

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Speaker 7: He says, when the story went public on October fourteenth,

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Speaker 7: Fum me. So there's lots of questions we're going to

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