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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Doc to Doc do give

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Speaker 1: it the news edition as we all wait to see

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Speaker 1: if Joe Burrow will be able to play on Monday

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Speaker 1: Night against the Rams. Coming up, we'll hear from Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, and t Higgins on the topic, and also

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Speaker 1: here from the guy who will start in Burrow's place

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Speaker 1: if he can't play on Monday, Jake Browning. Plus I'll

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Speaker 1: go one on one with Nick Scott, who played for

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Speaker 1: the Rams for the last four years and shares his

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald and others. ESPN is

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Speaker 1: out What the Constitution Means to Me. You've got about

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Speaker 1: a week left. The final performance is on Sunday, October First, now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to Joe Burrow. For the final two and

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Speaker 1: a half quarters of last Sunday's loss to the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: he looked like Joe Burrow empty backfield for Burrow. The

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Speaker 1: Ravens showing pressure. Burrow ready catches the shotgun snap he's

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Speaker 2: Higgins makes the catch touchdown Bengals. Burrow retreating to avoid

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Speaker 1: On Cincinnati's final five drives, Joe threw for two hundred

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Speaker 1: nine yards and two touchdowns. If not for a red

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Speaker 1: zone interception, the Bengals would have scored on four of

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Speaker 1: their last five possessions. How did Joe look, to his

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Speaker 3: Really good in that last game. Aside from the interception,

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Speaker 3: me one bad ball placement, you're not going to so

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Speaker 3: he I thought he performed really well.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, on his next to last snap against the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: Joe tweaked his calf injury, making him questionable for Monday

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Speaker 1: night's game against the Rams. When the team held its

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Speaker 1: first practice of the week on Thursday, Burrow was present

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Speaker 3: Soreness is an issue right now, and so giving him

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Speaker 3: to nextra day, which is a positive and we'll just

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Speaker 3: we'll see how the practice go.

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Speaker 1: So does Joe need to practice this week to be

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Speaker 4: You gotta practice one day, maybe not full, but you

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Speaker 4: You just got to feel confident in your ability to

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't know yet.

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Speaker 7: I don't really have an answer for you there.

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Speaker 1: Last week, Burrow was only sacked once and rarely pressured.

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Speaker 1: But Aaron Donald is coming to town on Monday. In

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Speaker 4: You need it in every game. You're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have tried to adjust the offense to limit

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Speaker 6: All I know is you get in a game and

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Speaker 6: It's like, you know, you can't you can't say if

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Speaker 6: I can't do that. You can't play that way in

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Speaker 1: Last week, the offensive line did an incredible job. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have to move that much. Last week. They're facing

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Speaker 6: And this rookie, Byron Young has a sack and a half.

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Speaker 6: do you have them out there at practice and limit

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Speaker 6: It's like, you know, we're not gonna throw this run.

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Speaker 6: We're not gonna do this. We're not gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 6: take it easy here. We're gonna that. You're not you're

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Speaker 6: not getting get you're not getting reps. You're not getting

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Speaker 1: It's very tough. If they were played, I don't think

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that they can If if the

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Speaker 6: That's that's the thing with these casts. It's like, all right,

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Speaker 6: every injury is different. Every body is different that gets injured.

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Speaker 6: Every recovery is different because everybody and every injury is different.

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Speaker 6: There's no like cookie Cutter. This is exactly like so

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Speaker 6: Now you can put him in categories. This is like

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Speaker 6: because Joe so damn tough. You know, he's not gonna

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Speaker 6: say I can't go, I can't He's not gonna. He

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Speaker 6: long will that be? Will it be until the bye week?

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Speaker 6: I mean at that point in time, who the hell knows.

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Speaker 8: Where they are? And that that that's drastic.

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Speaker 6: But you know, because I don't think the they're tweaking

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Speaker 6: But if he tweaks it again or again, and and

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Speaker 8: It just reaches right up and grabs me, and it's

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Speaker 6: I'm set back to to where I was, or even

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Speaker 6: calf injuries. Man, they are tricky.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are zero and two and Joe desperately wants

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Speaker 7: It's in my head, for sure, I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: But how does he balance getting that first win versus

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Speaker 7: That may not be my decision to make. My job

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Speaker 7: is to go out and play. That's that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are not going to jeopardize his long term health,

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Speaker 1: so if Burrow can't play on Monday, Jake Browning will

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Speaker 1: start in his place. The former University of Washington star

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Speaker 1: made his NFL debut at the end of the Cleveland

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Speaker 9: I take a lot of pride in I came in

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Speaker 7: Whether that's a year or whatever.

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Speaker 9: undrafted rookie was Kirk Cousins said, Hey, you gotta have

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Speaker 9: trying to get access to the best information, the best

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Speaker 9: you know, off seasons I can have to try and

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Speaker 1: When Burrow hurt his calf on the second day of

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Speaker 1: the backup job with Trevor Simeon. They alternated with a

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Speaker 9: I don't think there's many quarterbacks in the NFL. It

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Speaker 9: took more reps in the month of August than I did,

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Speaker 9: I've probably played as much.

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Speaker 7: Football as everybody else has this year. So obviously there's

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Speaker 9: Higher stakes for a regular season game. But I feel

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Speaker 1: Browning led the Bengals on an eight play eighty yard

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Speaker 1: touchdown drive to end their second preseason game, then opened

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Speaker 10: Got Riisling. You know, he's he made good reads. He's

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Speaker 10: just he's a baller, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 7: Job to He developed some trust with you guys over

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Speaker 3: You need to have great conversation with all quarterbacks. Anytime

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Speaker 1: But it could turn out to be very different. For Browning, it's.

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowl fifty six, and there's a player with

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Speaker 1: Rookie Pooka natuah nakua excuse me, leads the NFL and

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Speaker 1: This week. It's Monday Night Football. The jungle is going

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Speaker 1: just like last year, the Bengals are off to an

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, look, Dan, we specifically me not thrilled

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Speaker 1: The offense, as you noted, did start to click last week.

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Speaker 12: because he had had to take so much time off,

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Speaker 12: and this game is really hard, and I think that

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Speaker 12: gets lost sometimes in all of this. I think the

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Speaker 12: offensive line is better than what we you know, may

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Speaker 12: may think based on, you know, the way that it

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Speaker 12: looked like he got hit early on this season. I

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Speaker 12: think they're doing better than we thought. And I do

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Speaker 12: think that, you know, we're seeing this start to click

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Speaker 12: a little bit. You know. The interesting thing to me

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Speaker 12: is how can we get Jamar Chase a little bit

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Speaker 12: more involved? Because t Higgins has kind of been the

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Speaker 12: go to guy here early on, which makes sense. I mean,

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Speaker 12: he's an ultra talented receiver. But when you have Jamar

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Speaker 12: on your team and he can do so much, I

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Speaker 12: just think there's some more creative ways that he could

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Speaker 12: be used. I'll be curious to see if they try

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Speaker 12: to do that, because obvious everyone knows they've got to

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Speaker 12: cover Jamar Chase, So what can happen to make him

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Speaker 12: more open? I think using him and maybe a more

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Speaker 12: unexpected less of a Hey, here's our guy who can

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Speaker 12: you know, run a deeper route and catch any ball

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Speaker 12: that's thrown his way. Let's try to mix him in

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Speaker 12: in other ways to get him going and to get

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Speaker 12: that rhythm with Burrow and Jamar going a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: We are visiting with Laura Rutledge from ESPN. I am

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Speaker 1: admittedly biased, but I feel like the Bengals defense doesn't

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Speaker 1: get the attention it deserves. Do you agree?

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Speaker 12: I do. I will say on NFL Live, we love

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Speaker 12: the Bengals defense, and we love lou An Arumo at

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Speaker 12: their defensive coordinator. I think he is and the numbers

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Speaker 12: back this up. As a defensive coordinator and as a

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Speaker 12: defense as a whole, they are one of the absolute

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Speaker 12: best when it comes to second half adjustments. And you know,

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Speaker 12: I don't know if people realize, but halftimes in the

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Speaker 12: NFL are not that long, and they're able to very

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Speaker 12: quickly identify things. I mean, this game, you know, you

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Speaker 12: see so many offenses able to do things and the

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Speaker 12: defense has to adjust and it's kind of the way

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Speaker 12: it's going to go. They are able to adjust better

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Speaker 12: than any other team, and I just think that's such

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Speaker 12: a valuable trait to have as a defense. And it

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Speaker 12: all starts with lou aenn Arumo. So I agree. I

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Speaker 12: think this defense probably doesn't get enough credit. And you

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Speaker 12: know they're gonna be Listen, this Rams offense is playing

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Speaker 12: really well. Right now, and Matthew Stafford might be playing

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Speaker 12: the best at the quarterback position of anybody so far

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Speaker 12: this season, So they're gonna have their work cut out

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Speaker 12: for them. But I believe they will give the Rams

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Speaker 12: far more difficult game than any of their opponents have

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Speaker 12: given them thus far this season. And I just think

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Speaker 12: most offenses say, we really don't want to face that

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Speaker 12: Bengals defense, which is probably the biggest compliment you could

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Speaker 12: actually get in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Laura, we are two weeks into the season. There are

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Speaker 1: two undefeated teams left in the AFC, Miami in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: That's it. What do you make of the other fourteen

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Speaker 1: having at least one loss?

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Speaker 12: I tell you what, the AFC is just tough sledding.

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Speaker 12: And you know, that's one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 12: do think this game this week is so for the Bengals,

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Speaker 12: because you just can't be having three losses, you know,

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Speaker 12: this early in the season. And there I still believe

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Speaker 12: there's such a talented team, there's so much still left

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Speaker 12: for them, and so I want them to go ahead

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Speaker 12: and start winning here because I think I think they

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Speaker 12: have the ability to potentially make it all the way.

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Speaker 12: It's just a matter of how do you get past

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Speaker 12: some of these ridiculously talented teams. And you know, I

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Speaker 12: think what we're seeing is you look over to the

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Speaker 12: NFC side and you say, well, yeah, you know, teams

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Speaker 12: probably afford a few more losses here and there because

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Speaker 12: there's still going to be a shot there down the stretch.

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Speaker 12: That's just not the case with this the strength of

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Speaker 12: the AFC, and it's going to be fascinating to see

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Speaker 12: who comes out on top as the AFC representative in

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Speaker 12: the super Bowl. But even when it comes to the playoffs,

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Speaker 12: you know, you look around and I don't know by

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Speaker 12: that point, you know, I think Miami and I do

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Speaker 12: think Baltimore will still be really good. But I don't

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Speaker 12: know that we'd be saying like, oh yeah, remember when

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Speaker 12: those were the only two teams that didn't have a

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Speaker 12: loss in this side of the league. It just seems

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Speaker 12: like somebody, so one of these teams, or a few

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Speaker 12: of these teams are gonna end up staying healthy long

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Speaker 12: enough to where they'll end up being the contenders. Because

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Speaker 12: as far as just stacked rosters and talent goes, the

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Speaker 12: AFC is a behemoth at this point.

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Speaker 1: So for people who have not watched the Rams so far.

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Speaker 1: They dominated Seattle on the road. In week one, they

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Speaker 1: outgained the forty nine ers, but lost by seven in

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Speaker 1: week two. Here's the question, who the heck is Pouoka

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Speaker 1: Nakua and why can't anybody cover the guy?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm glad you asked about Pooka Nakua because I mean,

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Speaker 12: what a story man so far this season. He's already

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Speaker 12: set in records. You know, he's doing all these things

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Speaker 12: that you just don't expect to see out of rookies

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Speaker 12: in general. But for a guy that was just so unheralded,

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Speaker 12: it's it's fascinating to see. And you know, it's all

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Speaker 12: a product of different things, right, So, the fact that

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Speaker 12: Cooper Cup hasn't been available, they've had to work their

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Speaker 12: offense in different ways, and Van Jefferson, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 12: hasn't been targeted as much. And I'm not sure that

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Speaker 12: they really trust him, maybe as much as as you

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Speaker 12: would think considering how long he's been in that offense.

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Speaker 12: But Kuka Nakua, you know, everything you throw at him,

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Speaker 12: he catches it, and he figures out a way to

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Speaker 12: sort of like barrel forward. He's such a sturdy player

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Speaker 12: that may sound weird, but it's just like, you know,

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Speaker 12: he's not gonna vow you size wise or traits wise,

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Speaker 12: but he just makes things happen. And I expect more

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Speaker 12: of the same out of him. I think lou An

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Speaker 12: Aroumo probably have some things cooked up for him. Like

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Speaker 12: I said, I do think this Bengals defense gives a

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Speaker 12: far more challenging outlook for this Rams offense than the

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Speaker 12: two opponents they've already faced. But what a story. I'll

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Speaker 12: tell you this really fast is interesting. We were talking

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Speaker 12: about him, you know, with Lewis Riddick, who's on the

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Speaker 12: broadcast with us, and of course Lewis is heavily involved

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Speaker 12: in the NFL Draft, and we were talking about him

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Speaker 12: with our producer who also produces the NFL Draft, the

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Speaker 12: producer of our Monday Night Football game as an NFL

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Speaker 12: Draft producer, and they were talking about Nakua and they

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Speaker 12: said that when they got to him, they're not even

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Speaker 12: sure that they showed his highlights at the draft because

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Speaker 12: they're like, ah, you know, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 12: like really that compelling. And then look at this guy,

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Speaker 12: he's burst on. He's one of the best stories, you know,

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Speaker 12: early on in the NFL season, So it's just it's amazing,

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Speaker 12: and I think, you know, I think everyone's taking him

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Speaker 12: seriously at this point.

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Speaker 1: So pocus new Aaron Donald is not. He's thirty two.

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Speaker 1: He is presumably nearing the end of his Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame career. When it's done. What will football people say

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Speaker 1: about Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 12: I think he's the standard for that position. And when

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Speaker 12: you think about just fearce, tenacious defensive linemen, guys that

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Speaker 12: quarterbacks have nightmares about, that would be Aaron Donald. And

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Speaker 12: I think if you're somebody in that position, that's exactly

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Speaker 12: how you want to be thought of and remembered when

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Speaker 12: it's all said and done. And you know, the athleticism

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Speaker 12: with which he plays the position is impressive, and the

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Speaker 12: skill set is there obviously, the size, all the things,

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Speaker 12: But I think it's it's his mentality. It's his laser

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Speaker 12: focus on the quarterback that no matter what, he's going

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Speaker 12: to get there and no out of the opponent. You know,

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Speaker 12: he's been able to do that. He's just such a

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Speaker 12: force and it's really been I think fun. It's been

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Speaker 12: a pleasure, you know, if you like defense, it's been

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Speaker 12: a pleasure to watch him play, and you know, he

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Speaker 12: talked about actually hanging it up relatively recently and then

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Speaker 12: decided to keep going. And we'll see, if you know,

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Speaker 12: he ends up being able to win another championship or

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Speaker 12: something before he hangs it up. But I think he's

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Speaker 12: already accomplished so incredibly much, you know, in his career,

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Speaker 12: and it'll be one that we all look back on

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Speaker 12: and say, Okay, that's a name that you associate with

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Speaker 12: one of the best at the d line position.

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Speaker 1: Tell your producer on Monday night to go easy on

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Speaker 1: the video of him getting to Burrow and then pointing

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Speaker 1: to the ring finger at the end of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that highlight enough here in Cincinnati. So Monday

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Speaker 1: Night's going to be special. The Bengals will be wearing

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Speaker 1: their white Bengal uniforms, The Ring of Honor ceremony is

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Speaker 1: coming up at halftime. The jungle is going to be rocking.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the keys to the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: Rams on Monday night?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we can't wait. By the way, I mean, what

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Speaker 12: a pleasure to be in that environment, to be able to,

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Speaker 12: you know, see some of these Bengals fans in person.

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Speaker 12: But I think it's relatively obvious, but specific to this game.

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Speaker 12: Got to protect Joe Burrow and I'm hoping he plays right,

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Speaker 12: so you got to protect him. You got to limit

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Speaker 12: Poka Nakua on the other side and force Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 12: in a situation to where they really have to make

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Speaker 12: something happen. In the past game, you know he can

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Speaker 12: do that, but they they do rely a lot on

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Speaker 12: the run game, so you know, try to limit that,

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Speaker 12: try to get him feeling some pressure that may not

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Speaker 12: even be there, which I think Anna Rumo has a

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Speaker 12: lot of things cooked up his sleeve where he should

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Speaker 12: be able to do that. And then you know, I

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Speaker 12: would just say, I think this one's going to be

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Speaker 12: back and forth throughout. I think we're going to see

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Speaker 12: a lot of offense, so it may really be like

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Speaker 12: who gets the last laugh there, and that's where you've

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Speaker 12: just got to score in the red zone. So I

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Speaker 12: sound like a football coach because I'm like, okay, so protection,

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Speaker 12: limit turnovers, make sure you score in the red zone.

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Speaker 12: But truly, in this game, I think those are the keys.

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Speaker 1: We are really looking forward to having ESPN in town

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Laura.

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Speaker 12: Thanks Dan, I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: on the Bengals Game Plan Show this week. Our first

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Speaker 1: topic rookie wide receiver Pouka Niakua, who leads the NFL

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Speaker 1: in receptions with twenty five and ranks second in receiving

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Speaker 1: yards behind Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 5: Poka Naka is a fifth round rookie who wasn't even

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Speaker 5: drafted with the first pick that the Rams had in

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Speaker 5: the fifth round. He was drafted with the fourth they

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Speaker 5: had four, and he was drafted with the last one.

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Speaker 5: He's somebody that's filling in for Cooper Cup and doing

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Speaker 5: a very good job of it, breaking records that seems

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Speaker 5: like every which way, while also he was nursing in

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Speaker 5: oblique injury. To believe they're not.

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Speaker 8: That's quite amazing.

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Speaker 7: It really is.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people are not part of the Rams organization,

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Speaker 6: recognizable names, No Bobby Wagner, no Leonard Floyd, no Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 6: but still have a guy named Matthew Stafford offensively and

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Speaker 6: Aaron Donald defensively. And people were saying it's not a rebuild,

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Speaker 6: it's a remodel, and the way the Rams are playing

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Speaker 6: it looks more like a remodel instead of a rebuild.

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Speaker 6: Are you surprised at all that they got out of

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Speaker 6: the gate as well as they did?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not surprised except for Puka Naku. I don't

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Speaker 5: think anyone who thinks that they saw that coming, And

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Speaker 5: I know the Rams talk about it, but you know,

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Speaker 5: obviously if you thought that was going to come from

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Speaker 5: a receiver, you wouldn't have drafted him with your seventh

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Speaker 5: pick out of court. So I wouldn't say the Rams

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Speaker 5: have surprised me because I've been pretty high on them

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Speaker 5: coming in the season. I've said, pump the brakes on

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams just a sec I don't think they're going

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Speaker 5: to be anywhere near that sweet stakes. I have them

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Speaker 5: making the playoffs, winning ten games this year. I just

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Speaker 5: think The one thing that's really surprised me is how

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Speaker 5: well that back end of the secondary has held up

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Speaker 5: against the likes of DK Metcalf. You talk about Jackson

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Speaker 5: Smith and Jigba, Tyler Lockett, Deebo, Samuel Brandon, Ayuk, I

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Speaker 5: would give them credit in that regard. I wasn't expecting

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Speaker 5: to look this good. And Kuka Niku, I just I

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Speaker 5: was not expecting what we've seen for him so far.

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Speaker 1: We are visiting with Jake ellen Bogan. He is the

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Speaker 1: co host of the Belief in Rams podcast. You can

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Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at JK Bogan bog e N.

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Speaker 1: I watched their game against the forty nine Ers earlier today.

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Speaker 1: The offense to me, looked fantastic. There's motion on every play.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford looks as good as ever. They scored on

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Speaker 1: eight consecutive drives between the opener against Seattle and last

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Speaker 1: week against San Francisco. What stands out to you, Jake,

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Speaker 1: when you watch this offense through two weeks.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the first single stand out to you

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Speaker 5: is that offensive line is not last year's offensive climb.

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Speaker 5: They had sixteen different offensive line combinations last year, and

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Speaker 5: you're not gonna win football games when you're down to

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Speaker 5: your third and fourth string, you're definitely not gonna win

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Speaker 5: football games when you're starting a guy at left tackle

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Speaker 5: who was on your practice squad in twenty twelve. So

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Speaker 5: when you look at what they've done so far, you

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Speaker 5: know it's been really good just seeing what they've gotten

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Speaker 5: out of udfa Alric Jackson becoming that you know, left

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Speaker 5: tackle hopefully in the future for them. And then you

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Speaker 5: look at going out and getting Steve Avila in the

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Speaker 5: second round. He's been a plug and play Darling Colton, Colton, Shelton,

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Speaker 5: excuse me at center has looked really good. Joe Nobum,

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Speaker 5: who was supposed to be the left tackle of the

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Speaker 5: future they paid big bucks to look really good at

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Speaker 5: right guard before going down with an injury, looks like

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Speaker 5: he'll be ready to go this week. And Rob Hadnstein

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Speaker 5: has really just solidified that right side. But another thing

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Speaker 5: you'll notice is, like you said, a lot of motions,

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Speaker 5: and you know what we're seeing is to two out well,

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Speaker 5: the emergence of at Well, a twenty twenty one second

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Speaker 5: rounder who missed that entire season, didn't even get a

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Speaker 5: chance to shoot up to that Super Bowl, missed the

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Speaker 5: entire season after an injury that you know suffered there.

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Speaker 5: He got an opportunity this year.

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Speaker 8: To start right out of the gate.

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Speaker 5: And while Kukakua has been turning heads, we can't discount

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Speaker 5: to to out well. Both of them combined are by

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Speaker 5: the way, that duo is leading the league in the

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Speaker 5: NFL in receiving, which is pretty crazy when you think

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Speaker 5: about it like that. No Cooper cups, no problem, not really,

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Speaker 5: but they've looked really good and the motion like you

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Speaker 5: brought up with two two out well is creating so

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Speaker 5: much space underneath for guys like Chakua, guys like Van

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Speaker 5: Jefferson and Tyler Higbee and new starting running back Hyan Williams.

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Speaker 5: It's been a breath of fresh air if you're watching

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Speaker 5: the Rams offense this year as opposed to last year.

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Speaker 5: And a big reason for that is they're adopting a

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Speaker 5: lot of what the Miami Dolphins do with Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 5: into Chiuatwa.

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Speaker 6: Interesting comparison. There a lot of coaching changes on the

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Speaker 6: coaching staff, I mean the last couple of years, McVeigh

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Speaker 6: has flirted with broadcast opportunities. He told coaches, look if

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Speaker 6: you want, if you've got an opportunity to go somewhere else,

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Speaker 6: feel free and all that sort of thing. Some guys

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Speaker 6: I guess took them up on it. But I mean

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Speaker 6: there as many as nine new coaches. Of those new coaches,

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Speaker 6: which one has impressed you or which coaches have impressed you?

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Speaker 8: Or has the entire staff impressed you? And jailed early?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a tough question.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 5: There are definitely some huge guys, and I'd be crazy

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Speaker 5: not to bring up a guy who came in as

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Speaker 5: a consultant for the offensive line, Mike Munchak, one of

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Speaker 5: the best in the business, you know, behind Ryan Wendel,

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Speaker 5: who I think has done a really good job former

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Speaker 5: offensive linemans in the New England Patriots. But I would

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Speaker 5: have to say Michael Floor when he's done in all

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Speaker 5: of the fire that he had, you know, thrown his

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Speaker 5: way last year with the Jets, and how that thing

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Speaker 5: kind of blew up in his space and the whole

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Speaker 5: Elijah Moore debacle. I'm really impressed with Michaelaflor. This offense

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Speaker 5: just seems night and day different than last year, and

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Speaker 5: it's taken on almost like a new type of feel.

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Speaker 5: They really rebuilt this offense from the ground up. It

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Speaker 5: started with Stafford. He definitely got lighter, he lost some weight,

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Speaker 5: he's more mobile. But also you can see more balance

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Speaker 5: in the run game. And obviously if you saw last week,

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Speaker 5: which you know you said you watched the forty nine

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Speaker 5: Ers game, you can see them kind of abandon the run,

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Speaker 5: but it was more because of the situation they were

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Speaker 5: in against the team that you just have such a

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Speaker 5: small window of opportunity to beat and when you're down

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Speaker 5: in that game, you're gonna.

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Speaker 7: Have to pass.

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Speaker 5: So but all in all, they've really, you know, they

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Speaker 5: haven't abandoned the run like they have in the pass.

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Speaker 5: That's been one of Sean mcvain's that Philly Fields is

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Speaker 5: trying to manage the run and pass. And I think

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Speaker 5: since the floors come in with more of the gaps

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Speaker 5: teams that we've seen, the more gaps scheme runs, we've

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Speaker 5: definitely seen a better balance.

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Speaker 1: A couple more questions for Rams podcaster Jake ellen Bogan.

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Speaker 1: We just heard the news on a Sports Update before

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Speaker 1: you joined us on the show that Cam Akers has

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Speaker 1: been traded to the Minnesota Vikings. He was very good

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Speaker 1: against the Bengals in the Super Bowl. He finished last

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Speaker 1: year with a flourish. He had one hundred yards each

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Speaker 1: of the last three games last year. What went wrong

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Speaker 1: between Cam Akers and the Rams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's unfortunate. Anytime you draft a guy

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Speaker 5: in the second round to be your running back, you

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Speaker 5: would think you're getting the running back of the future.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people thought.

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Speaker 5: Most two is good, if not better. I never really thought,

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Speaker 5: but when Akers took over, it looked like they had something. Well, unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: there's been there's been talent there. There's been Darryl Henderson,

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Speaker 5: who who was huge in that Super Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 5: There's been Sony Michelle, There's been now Hiram Williams. And

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Speaker 5: I think Cam is not somebody that wants to share

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Speaker 5: the worklace. He's just not somebody that works in today's

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Speaker 5: you know, committee backfield like NFL that we see. And

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Speaker 5: so what we saw at the end of last year

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Speaker 5: is Cam forced himself in force Darryl Henderson out the door,

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Speaker 5: and we saw that emergence in the backfield. However, they

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Speaker 5: have changed their offense since he's not quite a fit

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Speaker 5: and since they don't trust him in pass protection, they

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Speaker 5: didn't trust him in the receiving game. The way they

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Speaker 5: did with Tyra Williams. What you found is that first game,

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Speaker 5: it was a rude awakening. He's not gonna be a

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Speaker 5: fit for this offense. When he was on the field,

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Speaker 5: twenty eight snaps to Tyra Williams fifty three twenty one

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Speaker 5: out of those twenty eight. Excuse me, he is running

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Speaker 5: the football. Defenses know exactly what's coming with number three's

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Speaker 5: in there, and so now with number twenty three in there,

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Speaker 5: Hiram Williams, the Rams feel like they have the perfect

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Speaker 5: back for their offense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well he's put up some numbers, no question about it.

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Speaker 6: They have to feel really good about their draft. Fourteen

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Speaker 6: draft choices twelve made the football team, five on offense,

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Speaker 6: six on defense, and one on special teams, A punter,

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Speaker 6: a couple of offensive rookies Nakua Avila, and then one

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Speaker 6: defensive Byron Young, I mean making contributions other guys involved

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Speaker 6: in rotation. How pleased are they with the youth of

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Speaker 6: their football team?

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Speaker 8: Oh, they're very pleased.

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Speaker 5: I think when you look first off, Steve Avila looks

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Speaker 5: like a potential All Pro down the road.

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Speaker 8: I know, you know.

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Speaker 5: Brian Baldinger has been raving about his tape and it's

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Speaker 5: hard not to when you watch it. Just this guy

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Speaker 5: is just so beyond his years. He's a natural center,

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Speaker 5: and they wanted to play him guard because he played

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Speaker 5: that one season, uh, moving over to guard when they

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Speaker 5: went to the national title game in TCU. Then you

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Speaker 5: look at fire and Young and this guy has an

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Speaker 5: incredible story from you know, bagging groceries and you know,

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Speaker 5: not getting essentially not even having a season because of COVID.

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Speaker 5: So then his practices, which his team was still practicing,

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Speaker 5: gets out. There is Juco school and Tennessee's calling, and

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Speaker 5: so you know, he ends up killing it at Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: And this guy's very athletic and he's starting to really

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Speaker 5: turn it on in the first two games. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we saw one preseason game and Teums said, all right,

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Speaker 5: we don't need to see any more of that. We're

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Speaker 5: going to make sure you're ready for week one. And

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Speaker 5: then Kobe Turner, who some people saw it was a

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Speaker 5: little bit of a reach there, has really, you know,

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Speaker 5: done a nice job the third round pick in the

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Speaker 5: in the interior, he continues to get better and that's

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Speaker 5: not even talking like like you said, Pukkua. And then

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Speaker 5: of course you mentioned you know, special teamer Ethan Evans

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Speaker 5: is just absolutely bombing punts. It's kind of incredible when

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Speaker 5: you think about it, that they the way they found him.

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Speaker 5: You know, Chase Blackburn, the special teams coordinator, went out

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Speaker 5: and set to him in Carolina. But yeah, it's been

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Speaker 5: a really good draft, as good as to be in

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Speaker 5: the first two games. Obviously we know about the long

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Speaker 5: haul and you know, obviously we were talking and not

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Speaker 5: that long ago how great cam Akers could be. So

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Speaker 5: things can definitely change. The Rams act to feel really

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Speaker 5: good about their class moving forwards.

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Speaker 1: Bred at the Rams for finding good players in the

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Speaker 1: draft despite not having a first round pick for the

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Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find us. I'm Dan Horde and thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to the Bengals Booth podcast