Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I
Speaker 1: have with me my favorite sometimes Dmitri Dmitri. That started
Speaker 1: off as like a roller coaster. It was like I
Speaker 1: could feel it was ticking up and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be such a nice introduction, and then
Speaker 1: it flatlined. Well, the thing is that the second I
Speaker 1: said my favorite, I knew you were just going to
Speaker 1: have our remark about that, and I just wasn't prepared
Speaker 1: for it. No, to be honest, that I was going
Speaker 1: to let that go because it's like you know, when
Speaker 1: a cat comes near you, you you don't want to scare
Speaker 1: it off because it won't come back. So when you
Speaker 1: called me favorite, I wasn't going to mention it because
Speaker 1: I was like, she won't do it again if I
Speaker 1: make a big deal out of it. And here we are.
Speaker 1: This is like when I never told my sister, I
Speaker 1: know I'm the favorite because you just make a huge
Speaker 1: deal about it, you know, right, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: had a sister. Well, like I said, anyway, moving on,
Speaker 1: so we'll be talking about a lot of in Doble.
Speaker 1: Uh let me rephrase that incredibly insane stories today. The
Speaker 1: first hot topic we'll be talking about is a home
Speaker 1: invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. The
Speaker 1: next is USPS stopping delivering to a specific neighborhood in
Speaker 1: California after repeated attacks, and then an Only Fans star
Speaker 1: killing her boyfriend allegedly, and then the death of Conrad Roy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have heard about this case. It
Speaker 1: is about the texting suicide case. And lastly, we have
Speaker 1: a very special guest with us today, Dog the Bounty
Speaker 1: Hunters found us even I'm very excited about this, especially
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if you guys remember this, but
Speaker 1: I will tell this dog when he gets here. When
Speaker 1: we started the podcast, it was all about Gabby Petito
Speaker 1: and Brian Laundry, and Dog was a huge part of that.
Speaker 1: Dog We brought Dog in and by we, I mean America.
Speaker 1: He was called in um to come and try to
Speaker 1: track down Brian and so we talked about him early, early,
Speaker 1: and like the maybe the first two or three episodes
Speaker 1: of this podcast. So I'm excited to see what he's
Speaker 1: up to. Now we all know that he did just
Speaker 1: get kicked off the Math Singer, So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: really gentle. Yeah, that's that. That'll that'll rattle anybody. I
Speaker 1: mean truly. I loved his costume, the armadillo so cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but when when we talked about Dog early on,
Speaker 1: when he said about the Gabby Petito stuff that was
Speaker 1: he was like to me, he was like somebody. I
Speaker 1: knew he was real, but I never thought, Hey, Dog's
Speaker 1: gonna join us one day and today's that day. Today's
Speaker 1: that day. Look at us, baby, look at us. Now
Speaker 1: we made it all right. So let's jump into our
Speaker 1: hot topics today. First of all, we've got a home
Speaker 1: invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. It
Speaker 1: just reads like an onion article. A teenager wanted over
Speaker 1: a deadly Las Vegas home invasion was busted after leaving
Speaker 1: his homework in the getaway car. Math homework featuring Camari
Speaker 1: Oliver's name was found in the backpack inside the car
Speaker 1: in March after the suspects crashed into a while outside
Speaker 1: the victim's home and fled on foot. Inside the backpack
Speaker 1: was a school chromebook along with a notebook of schoolwork,
Speaker 1: specifically math work, and in the top right corner of
Speaker 1: the schoolwork, the name Camari Oliver and fifth period were written.
Speaker 1: Cops arrested the eighteen year old at Las Vegas Valley
Speaker 1: High School last week after realizing he had an unexplained
Speaker 1: absence for the last two periods on the day of
Speaker 1: the deadly home invasion. Okay, so, Dmitri, do we think
Speaker 1: it was actually him? Do we think it was just
Speaker 1: a coincidence that his backpack was in the car? I mean,
Speaker 1: the first first thing is first is it's so stupid
Speaker 1: that it makes you think someone had to have taken
Speaker 1: that to frame them. But it doesn't. I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that. It seems like it's just a
Speaker 1: stupid move. He didn't even say my backpack I've stolen,
Speaker 1: so that eliminates the framing part. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have any prior criminal history, and I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if they're going to try him as an adult
Speaker 1: or a juvenile. But the thing is that they're saying,
Speaker 1: will he get away with it? He he allegedly or
Speaker 1: someone in his crew murdered a twenty four year old woman, Right,
Speaker 1: so someone needs to go to jail. Right, You don't
Speaker 1: get to just murder, someone burglarized them and then walk
Speaker 1: away scott free. You're eighteen years old. Sounds like you're
Speaker 1: you're not being tried as a juvenile in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I agree. And it's bizarre though, because like the guy
Speaker 1: had his home, like clearly he's not just like I mean,
Speaker 1: he had his homework, he had it written on top,
Speaker 1: and he had it with him, so clearly he must
Speaker 1: do homework and stuff like that. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a cross as to what type of character
Speaker 1: this guy really is. Did he get caught up in something.
Speaker 1: Is it back to the future too, when they came
Speaker 1: and they were like Marty Jr. Come do this thing
Speaker 1: with us, and he just did it and it ruined
Speaker 1: the rest of his life or I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how what I'm saying. So he's
Speaker 1: been charge with murder, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping. And in
Speaker 1: addition to the backpop backpack cops that they found five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in the getaway car. So I don't know
Speaker 1: whether he just got wrangled into going with his friends
Speaker 1: or you know, in the car also crashed. That's how
Speaker 1: they caught him. Well, and then got the backpack as well.
Speaker 1: But they're saying that his attorney is saying that the
Speaker 1: team wasn't involved in the murder, and the evidence is
Speaker 1: going to show that he never went inside the house,
Speaker 1: so he still knew what was going on even if
Speaker 1: he never went into the house. And the girl's boyfriend
Speaker 1: was known for selling high end jewelry on Instagram, so
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they thought that they would find a
Speaker 1: lot of jewelry. They didn't mean to kill anyone, and
Speaker 1: then there was some sort of gunfire, and now we
Speaker 1: are where we are, and and lives are changed forever
Speaker 1: and and unfortunately ended as well, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: and not that hopefully no one that's listening is thinking
Speaker 1: about doing a crime. But it's like, this is what
Speaker 1: you really got to think through what you're doing. Oh listen,
Speaker 1: let's skip two periods. We'll go get some some jewelry
Speaker 1: from this house. We'll have some money. Ship. You don't
Speaker 1: just don't know how things are going to play out.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I also like that. It's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: it was his first murder, so does he have to
Speaker 1: go to jail. It's like, yeah, you go, you go
Speaker 1: to jail in the first murder. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's the only murder you know, This wasn't It's like
Speaker 1: you didn't even really know these people, did you? You
Speaker 1: just not that that makes it better. It makes it
Speaker 1: worse in my opinion. Actually, actually now it's all bad.
Speaker 1: It's all really bad. I think he's a I think
Speaker 1: I hope they find the rest of the guys. I
Speaker 1: wonder if what will happen is they end up getting
Speaker 1: him to say the rest of the names and then
Speaker 1: giving him a lesser jail sentence. I mean, I usually
Speaker 1: what they what they do, and so I don't see
Speaker 1: what you're eighteen years old? I mean, what's the point
Speaker 1: you're gonna you canna hold on to those names? No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna cough him up because as you want, especially
Speaker 1: if you hire life in jail, especially if you're your
Speaker 1: thing is that, oh, he didn't know what was happening,
Speaker 1: He never went into the place. If you really think
Speaker 1: you're that innocent, then cough up those names. Yep? Who
Speaker 1: are you? Who are you? Who are you laying down for? Then?
Speaker 1: All right, Dmitri, I agree, let's move on to our
Speaker 1: next hot topic. Speaking of who are you laying down for?
Speaker 1: The USPS has laid down there delivery of the mail
Speaker 1: and is stopping service to a certain neighborhood in Santa
Speaker 1: Monica because of repeated tax on mail carrier since January.
Speaker 1: The first incident happened on January nine, when a resident
Speaker 1: living near the intersection of fourteen and Arizona Avenue allegedly
Speaker 1: swung a broomstick at one carrier delivering mail in the
Speaker 1: early evening hours. The carrier was not injured in the
Speaker 1: tech apparently, and then months later, residents recently received notices
Speaker 1: from the USPS informing them that the reservice has hereby
Speaker 1: been suspended to all addresses located in the block of
Speaker 1: fourteen Street. The notice explained that multiple carriers have been
Speaker 1: subjected to assault and threats of assault from an individual
Speaker 1: who has not been located or apprehended. Is this a
Speaker 1: little drastic, It's it's drastic, it's dramatic. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you do? Right, You're walking to school right as
Speaker 1: a kid? A bully picks on you. What do you
Speaker 1: do you find someone to go with you? The first
Speaker 1: thing that you find a broomstick and swinging at swinging
Speaker 1: at him? Right, No, but they should be sending an
Speaker 1: armed police officer on the route, Like, you don't just
Speaker 1: stop delivering to everybody because someone's swinging a broomstick. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, did you that person's wife? Mean no, oh,
Speaker 1: you mean got it? Oh because the stopping by the
Speaker 1: house all the time. Sure, yeah, exactly. We don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening there. You know, maybe maybe you would want
Speaker 1: to swing the broomstick. You know, maybe this has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with someone not wanting their mail. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: why are we swinging the broomstick? That's the first question
Speaker 1: we gotta ask. And by the way, it's there's people everywhere,
Speaker 1: like a little office stuff. That's not a terrible neighborhood
Speaker 1: fourteen in Arizona and Santa Monica. No, it seems too random.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you should stop serving mail in Venice
Speaker 1: where there are people just out in the streets going crazy.
Speaker 1: They're talking about a legitimate resident who has an issue,
Speaker 1: so clearly they know which house it is. Right, change
Speaker 1: up the routes, give somebody else that route. If it's
Speaker 1: a personal thing, right, just send an officer, like you
Speaker 1: don't just stop. That's your job. Your job is to
Speaker 1: deliver the mail. And I'm talking about the whole USPS.
Speaker 1: So you don't just be like, hey, guys, listen, it
Speaker 1: was crazy windy, so we're not in that in that alley,
Speaker 1: so we're not going to deliver it there anymore. It's like,
Speaker 1: you can't just come up with something that to me,
Speaker 1: this Obviously I don't want the person to get hurt
Speaker 1: or anything, but this is a little benign. We haven't
Speaker 1: been able to identify them. Then identify them, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean their job is to deliver promotional materials. Will
Speaker 1: never open and my tax turns and that's it, which
Speaker 1: I mean someone else will. I won't. But you know,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to this next case that
Speaker 1: this is absolutely insane and only van star Corney Taylor
Speaker 1: confronted at a hotel bar over killing her boyfriend. I
Speaker 1: just want to say, if you have not watched the
Speaker 1: TMZ footage, there are two different videos, one of her
Speaker 1: getting a confronted at this hotel bar, which is confirmed
Speaker 1: her by the way, she's with her dad and this
Speaker 1: other woman is filming her and saying, yeah, you should
Speaker 1: go because you just killed your boyfriend. Yeah you did.
Speaker 1: It's so wild. And then the other footage is very shocking,
Speaker 1: and she's wearing a tankini braw let and white pants
Speaker 1: and she's soaked in blood, sitting on the floor and handcuffs.
Speaker 1: I'm actually this feels a little Logan Polly to me,
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, why are we posting this on
Speaker 1: the internet? But then I guess, you know, we see
Speaker 1: crazy stuff on the news all the time, all right.
Speaker 1: So Courtney Clenny, she is years old and she's known
Speaker 1: on social media as Courtney Taylor, was taken to a
Speaker 1: mental institution after Christian Opum Sally was stabbed to death.
Speaker 1: That's allegedly her boyfriend, the cops said. A video has
Speaker 1: now emerged on Instagram showing someone filming a blonde woman
Speaker 1: in the barb of Miami's Grand Beach Hotel Friday night.
Speaker 1: As I told you, she was with her dad and
Speaker 1: they get up and leave after this altercation. The investigation
Speaker 1: into the death is ongoing and she hasn't been arrested
Speaker 1: or charged with a crime. The new footage comes days
Speaker 1: just after Clenny was pictured handcuffed and drenched and blood
Speaker 1: moments after he was stabbed to death. Like I said,
Speaker 1: the footage is on TMC and she's wearing bag basically
Speaker 1: like a crop top, white pants covered in blood. Her
Speaker 1: arm appears to be held back, like she's being handcuffed,
Speaker 1: and this is I'm just this is I'm baffled by
Speaker 1: human beings. Yeah, well, a lot of questions. So was
Speaker 1: she handcuffed? Was that like the police had arrived at
Speaker 1: the scene and she was handcuffed and being detained because
Speaker 1: she was freaking out? I mean did she and how
Speaker 1: did this person like for this person to approach and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you should go. You just it all
Speaker 1: seems a little right, like why hasn't she been charged yet? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you think, well, she'll end up getting charged. Do
Speaker 1: you think they'll just send her to the mental institutions?
Speaker 1: Say it was insanity. I mean the other thing is
Speaker 1: when you read reports about this, apparently they had violent
Speaker 1: interactions in the past. Some people were even saying, you
Speaker 1: know that he was trying to take her into some
Speaker 1: sort of like human trafficking ring. I mean, it's very confusing.
Speaker 1: I think that there's always two sides to every story.
Speaker 1: I wish we were talking about Johnny deppany and for
Speaker 1: her today speaking of two sides to every story, where
Speaker 1: you just don't really know who to believe. But in
Speaker 1: a situation like this, it's clear that there were previous arguments,
Speaker 1: previous fights, previous violence which was agreed upon by their friends,
Speaker 1: And I just I think no, I just think it's
Speaker 1: clear that she took matters into her own hands killed
Speaker 1: him and allegedly and whether or not this was a
Speaker 1: moment of temporary insanity or she was she was defending herself.
Speaker 1: Some people are saying it's self defense. We won't know
Speaker 1: until we get more details. There's a lot that can
Speaker 1: be read into behavior after an event. That's why I
Speaker 1: had a problem with Will Smith dancing at his at
Speaker 1: his party, at the Oscar party, in the post Oscar party.
Speaker 1: But this thing if whether you did this or not,
Speaker 1: he was indeed he wasn't fact your boyfriend, right? Why
Speaker 1: is the is she with her dad in like a
Speaker 1: hotel bar, like just fucking laylow for a little while,
Speaker 1: Whether you did it or not, I don't get. I
Speaker 1: don't get the whatever it is in their brains that says, okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay for me to go on and just do
Speaker 1: life normally. Like there's a disconnect there, And to me,
Speaker 1: that's the scariest thing. I completely agree, you know, what
Speaker 1: we are gonna go to a quick break because our
Speaker 1: guest has arrived and we got to bring him in.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Don't touch that dial. We'll be right back. Friends,
Speaker 1: don't commit a crime while we're waiting for Dog in
Speaker 1: the zoom lobby. I was trying to find a rhyming word,
Speaker 1: just didn't come O k brbeah and we're back, you guys,
Speaker 1: I am so excited to introduce our guests for today.
Speaker 1: It is an honor that he's here. Duane Lee Chapman,
Speaker 1: also known his Dog the Bounty Hunter. You guys, you
Speaker 1: already know him and love him. He's an American television personality,
Speaker 1: a bounty hunter and former bail bondsman. He came to
Speaker 1: international notice as a bounty hunter for his successful capture
Speaker 1: of Max Factor Air Andrew Luster in Mexico in two
Speaker 1: thousand three, and the following year was given his own series,
Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter on A and E. After Dog
Speaker 1: the Bounty Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in A Dog and
Speaker 1: Beth on the Hunt, a similarly format a TV show,
Speaker 1: alongside his wife and business partner, The Late Best Chapman.
Speaker 1: On CMT his series Dogs Most Wanted debut on w
Speaker 1: G in America in late and most recently, he was
Speaker 1: Armadillo on season seven of The Masked Singer Dog. Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming on the podcast. Hello Dog, you look fabulous? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Dog, who are we wearing today? Oh kindness Francia,
Speaker 1: Uh alright, well, let's just hop right to it because
Speaker 1: we and we know we've got a limited amount of
Speaker 1: time with you, and we're so excited you're here today.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Oh, Dog is a pleasure. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we know we want to get into the crime stuff,
Speaker 1: but we really got to talk about the masks singer. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Oh you were so great as the Armadilloh,
Speaker 1: we just loved you. How do you feel after coming
Speaker 1: out of the show. We know it was probably so
Speaker 1: hard to sing in that costume, right, well, it's hard
Speaker 1: to walk all your all your senses but smell are
Speaker 1: cut off. You cannot see. That's why the men in
Speaker 1: black lead everyone, not just me. You got boots glued
Speaker 1: into boots. It's my My costume was one of the
Speaker 1: light ones. Was to two hundred thirty sub pounds. Wore
Speaker 1: layers of clothing in case you fall. We are we
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that four layers of clothing. It is
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten degrees in there. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: here's the mic, and I'm like, well, am I gonna
Speaker 1: pan of mine? Or you've got somebody humming in the background,
Speaker 1: James Brown or something. Oh no, no, no, no, You're
Speaker 1: gonna sing into that microphone, take a deep breath, and
Speaker 1: it's on, Dog Eaton, Like what and of all the
Speaker 1: times in your life when you thought someday, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: dress up as an armadillo and I'm just gonna sing
Speaker 1: in front of an audience, he thought it would be
Speaker 1: more glamorous than this. I bet yes. And every as
Speaker 1: you mentioned armadillo, every we tried, because we've been guests before,
Speaker 1: Dog Valley Enter, every clue, every shotka, every question was
Speaker 1: a clue. The clue hunter was now the clue giver.
Speaker 1: Adello were armor like I do, bulletroo vest as they're young,
Speaker 1: they're called a puppy. There were a lot of things.
Speaker 1: The songs, you know, the questions Nick asked me, the
Speaker 1: panel we tried to hint our way to Heaven. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it's a credible show, so you enjoy it
Speaker 1: oh so much. Yes, it's one of the you know
Speaker 1: that's having fun my job, and usually my shows are
Speaker 1: very dangerous. Well this was dangerous too, you could you know?
Speaker 1: One guy said stop right now, you're gonna step off
Speaker 1: the stage. So uh yeah, whoa, it was something And
Speaker 1: it's just been a day since, you know, it happened,
Speaker 1: So it's starting to sink in now, and you have
Speaker 1: no idea. You're like when the FBI get someone to
Speaker 1: tell on a murder or something, you know how they
Speaker 1: bring in in the mask and you from the gate
Speaker 1: from the hotel route to the studio inside the studio,
Speaker 1: gloves separate to your chin, mask on you. They have
Speaker 1: no idea. I'm pretty good at the investigation. Behind the investigation.
Speaker 1: Even the valet guys wouldn't tell me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was trying to find out who am I competing with? You? Really,
Speaker 1: you have no idea. Last night was the first time
Speaker 1: that I saw who was there because I'm watching as
Speaker 1: everyone else's, so it is a big deal. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a secret agent man show. It's incredible. Were you
Speaker 1: surprised by some of the people. Oh, yes, I was surprised.
Speaker 1: Do you mean that have been on? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted Shaka Khan was. I mean there's some pro singers there,
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone had a great time. And I
Speaker 1: heard him saying that, what a great time, And I
Speaker 1: didn't realize, you know, how great of a time it
Speaker 1: really was. Is it bitter sweet to not realize it
Speaker 1: until you're gone? No, it builds up as you go.
Speaker 1: Each time you succeed and get by the next round,
Speaker 1: I guess you call it. You get more confidence and
Speaker 1: more encouragement from the staff, and you know, Francis there,
Speaker 1: go baby, go show dog. You get out there. Though,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just like whoa? You feel like you're
Speaker 1: always on the one yard line. I mean it's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what a rush? Do you think it's crazy? People thought
Speaker 1: you were Rudy Giuliani? Oh did they? Oh? Did they?
Speaker 1: Who's that? Just the internet? Oh who's Rudy? What's his
Speaker 1: Name's a politician in New York? Not important, it's not important.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like you know you might know
Speaker 1: who the last few people are? Oh? No, you hear him?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, they like, oh do you hear him?
Speaker 1: They give me goose bumps. M Oh, I was like, oh, no, wonder,
Speaker 1: I mean they are incredible. There are top singers in
Speaker 1: America and in London on this show. I mean they
Speaker 1: can they she's saying that. Last night I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: dear Lord, I mean, there there's some good I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see who I bet it. There's
Speaker 1: a tie, you think? So? Yes, I guarantee none of
Speaker 1: them can hunt down a criminal like you, though, I
Speaker 1: get to go back to that. Is everyone to be
Speaker 1: talking career change? Are you going back to that? No,
Speaker 1: We're gonna stick with what I've done for forty some years,
Speaker 1: and that's crab fighting and evolving. And yes, sir, good
Speaker 1: do you think you'll be able to reuse the armadillo
Speaker 1: costume trying to find someone just camouflage in the background.
Speaker 1: I think of something. It's armadillo, also known as the dog.
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. I love. I love that dog
Speaker 1: is intentional because it's God spelled backwards. Yes, years when
Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old, I was named that and
Speaker 1: I got since you bring him up, think you have Easter?
Speaker 1: I got to sing a Christians song and you know,
Speaker 1: I was so. I was in the spirit world system.
Speaker 1: I was there. I never went so stoned in my
Speaker 1: life I was there. It was Oh. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, without a hangover. I was so let
Speaker 1: me tell you, it was incredible. It was amazing, goose
Speaker 1: bumps floating. I'm like, oh my god, mother, behold I suh.
Speaker 1: I was so happy. I was like, what a great thing.
Speaker 1: And everybody could watch and you don't got to keep
Speaker 1: the kids out right, you can't watch tight your head right.
Speaker 1: I love. I love this side of you. You're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're so I mean, you've obviously got
Speaker 1: a great personality, but you're so business when you're rightfully
Speaker 1: so when you're hunting down criminals and people on the run,
Speaker 1: isn't that But you were like, you know, you're like
Speaker 1: a kid on on Christmas morning here talking about this Diggs.
Speaker 1: Want to know one brother, I can already tell you know.
Speaker 1: It was something that I once I opened my mouth
Speaker 1: and stuck in my pootos I sometimes do with not
Speaker 1: using now with Francy, I said I'll do it. So
Speaker 1: I chose yes, right, So I knew that I was
Speaker 1: obligating again, especially when you get out there and they
Speaker 1: shoved you and say go, what do you do? Go?
Speaker 1: I can't do it? No, you can't do that. So
Speaker 1: it was it's really really a fun show. My celebrity friends,
Speaker 1: I've got a few have been called me this morning,
Speaker 1: going dog, How do you get on the job? Do
Speaker 1: I get a convention? Everybody's like whoa man? And I
Speaker 1: don't say now stop. You gotta see you gotta be
Speaker 1: able to perform. You gotta walk around this rim and
Speaker 1: pound suit. This is a tough stuff. You're isolated you.
Speaker 1: They isolated us. Even the delivery guy couldn't see us.
Speaker 1: It was like, you're not existent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's really uh tight tight bit. Did you feel nervous
Speaker 1: when you would go on stage? I just assumed someone
Speaker 1: like you who's trying to hunt down convicted felons and
Speaker 1: murderers and all these terrible people. You're also just going
Speaker 1: on stage in front of, you know, thousands of people,
Speaker 1: singing in a costume. But did that make you more
Speaker 1: nervous than going and finding criminals? Oh so much more?
Speaker 1: When you're when I'm feeling my show, you can't tell
Speaker 1: the guy I missed the shot? Can we tell you again?
Speaker 1: Because it's real? But you can you know, if you
Speaker 1: stick your finger in your nose or something, or your
Speaker 1: ear you can would you please cut that? You can't
Speaker 1: do that right and because the lawyers, we can't cut much.
Speaker 1: So this is no cutting. This is if you got it,
Speaker 1: flaw on it, if you don't get out. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like, no, this is I would never do
Speaker 1: this again. It was so uh, non customary to me
Speaker 1: to dance around. I've got a lot of kids and
Speaker 1: invited dance and say that'd be like they head, please stop.
Speaker 1: So it was just incredible. So now that you're back
Speaker 1: to so you're going back to your regular career, right,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you do? You? Have you
Speaker 1: already picked? Like what are you off to now? Or
Speaker 1: does something? Do they come to you or do you
Speaker 1: just say you know? This seems similar to the Brian
Speaker 1: laundry case where you were like people were like we
Speaker 1: need dog and you were like dogs on it? Is
Speaker 1: there something that you just like seeing You're like that
Speaker 1: they need me on that? Or do they come to you?
Speaker 1: How does that work? I'm glad you're asking me. So
Speaker 1: for about three years because Betson happened. Now this is
Speaker 1: the third year and Francis former husband and having four
Speaker 1: years we took off. I couldn't work. I had to
Speaker 1: be right there all the time. Uh, we're back. We
Speaker 1: grieved so hard. We're back. Okay, so we're right now.
Speaker 1: We're doing a show called Dog, the Bounty Hunter and
Speaker 1: the Essentials, and that is for those are guys and
Speaker 1: girls that have either retired like they the Fens retired
Speaker 1: you in your early fifties. The Bible says you don't
Speaker 1: get wisdom and knowledge till in the fifties and gaining
Speaker 1: These guys are incredible. A couple of my kids are
Speaker 1: in it. And we're going after people that pedophiles. We're
Speaker 1: going after wanted guys that killed girls. Remember we just
Speaker 1: found two bodies. We got down there with Brian Laundry.
Speaker 1: We brought all that media that case. Believe me, also,
Speaker 1: as you know, is not over. But uh, we gotta
Speaker 1: make a difference now. So we got I did. I'm
Speaker 1: doing an n f T. I just joined the sand Box.
Speaker 1: We're doing uh Simon and Schuster. We're doing a new
Speaker 1: book that uh this Dog has nine lives and still counting.
Speaker 1: You know, things are happening out because we're back to work.
Speaker 1: My Franchie is very spiritual and so am I, and
Speaker 1: she's supervising me and I just it's just incredible. So
Speaker 1: as long as I stay busy like that and things
Speaker 1: going on, you know, then I'm happy. Because I worked
Speaker 1: hard on some of the mounties. You've got to go
Speaker 1: twenty four thirty six hours without drugs and barely coffee.
Speaker 1: You gotta, you know, So to work hard like that
Speaker 1: and to get a good reward at the end of
Speaker 1: that work is worth it. That's what I do it for.
Speaker 1: And I used to box, right, and I didn't like
Speaker 1: hitting that much kind of but I didn't like to
Speaker 1: get hit. But the cheer of the crowd and I
Speaker 1: walked in and I got done. Yeah, dog done. Oh
Speaker 1: that's what I love. I don't know what that's called,
Speaker 1: but and the mass singer they were cheering me go,
Speaker 1: dog you go. When you bring a fugitive and the
Speaker 1: mother that's his mother or the grandma or the thank
Speaker 1: you dog, I live for that. I don't know. There
Speaker 1: must be some kind of something about it, but I
Speaker 1: just live for for that. Yeah, I relate to that.
Speaker 1: I'm a stand up comedian and so anytime the audience
Speaker 1: laughs or applaudse, I just feel like I've done a
Speaker 1: service or I've done my job. And it feels so
Speaker 1: good to be of service to other people. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to quickly go back to your n f T
Speaker 1: because I'm super into the crypto web three space. Are
Speaker 1: you doing a full collection? And when is it? When
Speaker 1: do you plan to drop? Yes, they're dropping soon. And
Speaker 1: I'm in the sad box too. This is amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: and there and they're your age. Is that impolite to
Speaker 1: say to you? With each generation biblically and we see
Speaker 1: get smarter. So then you guys are incredible that some
Speaker 1: of the stuff you're doing. So we're jumping in there
Speaker 1: in Francis. It's great. We love it because you get
Speaker 1: your message out and people have fun. You know, people
Speaker 1: can stand at the line and the bank and and
Speaker 1: play it. We're doing a video game now where kind
Speaker 1: of like Jimunji, where you push the button you see
Speaker 1: what the things are, what the criminals weakness, sar is
Speaker 1: you know how not to be a victim? You know,
Speaker 1: park across street from a bank, don't park across the
Speaker 1: street from you know, a different liquor store. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many things. Watch it when you pull up
Speaker 1: to a when you got your little sticker for a
Speaker 1: Handicap signed because that's the first car the criminals hit.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of things that will be
Speaker 1: able to do with with the new the metaverse and
Speaker 1: and the video game and f t S and all that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Snoop Dogg loves Sandbox. I feel like you
Speaker 1: two should do a collaboration, Snoop dog the bounty Hunter.
Speaker 1: Listen ideas you have, uh, you have discernment, sister. We're
Speaker 1: working on that right now. Why people with Snoop people?
Speaker 1: We he wanted to go on a bounty with me
Speaker 1: and we were going to do the celebrity right along
Speaker 1: and Snoop said to me, I double dog Darren to run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you two on a show together. Is already an instant hit. Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely instant hit. Wow. I can't believe that I called this.
Speaker 1: Rolling up to a crime scene in his his Laker mobile,
Speaker 1: I could see that that's who you're getting out, like
Speaker 1: Starsky and Hutch he's smoking a joint. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: imagine the guys, you know, doing something whatever like Stallone
Speaker 1: lost his son. I mean there's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: uh that that different celebrities. You put them in the
Speaker 1: back seat, ride with the fugitive. You need to change
Speaker 1: your life right now, you know, Charlie Sheen, I did
Speaker 1: that stuff. Look where it lad snoop DOGG do it?
Speaker 1: Or you've got a problem. I mean they're you know
Speaker 1: that right there is very compelling and I like to
Speaker 1: you know all, I like to do that. Well, going
Speaker 1: back to something you said, by the way, because I
Speaker 1: have been obsessed with the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case.
Speaker 1: That's actually why we started this podcast, and so we
Speaker 1: referenced you some point episodes one through three because we
Speaker 1: were so excited that you got on the case. We
Speaker 1: were like dogs going to solve this. You know, this
Speaker 1: case had America by the heartstrings. We were all just
Speaker 1: waiting every day for new information. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what you can tell us, but I've never felt settled
Speaker 1: about this case. Well, we're amazing to say that we
Speaker 1: should have my people get with your people because we're
Speaker 1: doing a dog cast. When La launching and we hooked
Speaker 1: up together, I got footage in the Brian laundry hunt
Speaker 1: that no one else has got. So and I started
Speaker 1: out by saying, this is not what dog says, this
Speaker 1: is what the camera says. Okay, So we well, I
Speaker 1: know there's something there, but you know, there's so many
Speaker 1: diff Now he's suicide. He was right handed, shot himself
Speaker 1: to the left hand. There are so many things that
Speaker 1: don't look good. So we're gonna, you know, put that
Speaker 1: on one of the wedding and then that the Brian
Speaker 1: laundry thing. How sad because you know, I lost a
Speaker 1: daughter at the same age as Gabby were Francy and
Speaker 1: I went to her honeymoon. I was a hundred miles away,
Speaker 1: didn't even know it. Francis from Florida. So we went
Speaker 1: back there to be in the beach. She's like, you
Speaker 1: promised me the beach in the sand, not the swamp
Speaker 1: and the gators. So I mean she she stopped the
Speaker 1: honeymoon to go down there. It was god Land as
Speaker 1: soon as we hit there. The media game things. You know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fans, I love a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and we needed that. We needed you know,
Speaker 1: the brother here is His sister said, oh, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him, and Franzie and I ran a real simple
Speaker 1: thing and found out that he'd been in the park.
Speaker 1: It's his picture in the back of the truck when
Speaker 1: they come in, and you know, a lot of those
Speaker 1: things were never really developed because there's something going on there. Okay,
Speaker 1: so uh yeah we're and that's the cases we're getting
Speaker 1: into right now. Is those kind of and I've always
Speaker 1: been big brother, you've better watching. Can't talk about about
Speaker 1: the cops, but the truth, they are so busy. One
Speaker 1: gets on the case with you on the phone, you
Speaker 1: start brainstorming. He gets a call domestic violence. I'll be
Speaker 1: back an hour, dog two hours. It takes. He's coming
Speaker 1: a kid missing at school, He's got to go there.
Speaker 1: They are so understaffed and so busy. Even when they
Speaker 1: got enough staff that to do something that's already been there,
Speaker 1: done that, they can't do it. So that's why it
Speaker 1: takes citizens with criminal justice experts behind them and lawyers
Speaker 1: and know what they're doing to help them out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Sometimes I have found the perp called
Speaker 1: the competence that he's in the house guinea to let
Speaker 1: them have the glory the ero walk. Right, I only
Speaker 1: catch a bad guy and if I get to share
Speaker 1: with the cop the glory the ero walk, I love
Speaker 1: that because the and that's the thing, it's it's like
Speaker 1: what you said is, yes, they're busy and they have
Speaker 1: all this other stuff going on. That's why when people
Speaker 1: were like stop whatever, you know, what do you how
Speaker 1: do you feel about like TikTok people, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: stop with your theory, stop with it. I think the
Speaker 1: more evidence that people can throw out there, and the
Speaker 1: more theories that people can throw out there, have someone
Speaker 1: that weeds through it. I'm not saying that that I
Speaker 1: don't the cops don't look it and say, well, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be this, Like they're all scatter brained, they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing, but they're overwhelmed. So I think the
Speaker 1: more people that can dig stuff up or throw theories
Speaker 1: out there or you know, people are fantastic now on
Speaker 1: TikTok and on the Internet where they can zoom in
Speaker 1: on something. Granted that flowerbed thing probably nothing but fascinating. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, the fans don't have and I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is a bad word, Internet sloops
Speaker 1: don't does. And we got today last night we were
Speaker 1: talking to Katie. We have fifty five hundred leads every
Speaker 1: three days, another one every day, three leads come in
Speaker 1: again about Brian laundry. We left that so the fans
Speaker 1: can afford that they don't have someone to man the phone.
Speaker 1: You call the FETs, try to leave a message. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't have to give me. They're so security number.
Speaker 1: We pay cash on delivery for the information. We don't
Speaker 1: gotta call crime stoppers. You know. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we do that their hands are bound that
Speaker 1: they can't do. They can't boot a door if they
Speaker 1: know he's in there, we can't, you know. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that uh and now in again
Speaker 1: forty some two or three years in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 1: they were like my foe right which ones that fell
Speaker 1: and out? They both are Now I'm brother Dog, and
Speaker 1: that makes me feel good because I have proven to
Speaker 1: them that I'm a good guy with a black cat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's it's incredible, and
Speaker 1: this is why we are team Dog. Yeah, team Dog
Speaker 1: for life. We love you. I mean, I wish we
Speaker 1: had more time with you. I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: guess I have one final question, is you know you've
Speaker 1: seen and heard everything. I mean, if there's anyone on
Speaker 1: the planet that has seen and heard it all to you,
Speaker 1: has there been anything in your many seasons of successful
Speaker 1: television and all of the hunts you had off camera.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you've seen that is the wildest moment
Speaker 1: that you felt that you actually witnessed. I didn't witness it,
Speaker 1: but to arrest the guy that did a very bad
Speaker 1: thing to a seven month old baby. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get to spiritual, but there's evil and then
Speaker 1: there's demonic possession. You gotta be full of something, demons
Speaker 1: I call it. You walk into king supers and open
Speaker 1: up and see women and men dying and screaming for
Speaker 1: God and their mother, and laugh and shoot again. Those
Speaker 1: are the guys were going after. That's what I have
Speaker 1: seen more than I ever have ever is you know,
Speaker 1: you're very young, but you were probably around when the
Speaker 1: first McDonald's shooting happened. That was the first one ever.
Speaker 1: Now what is it? One a day in a shopping
Speaker 1: center or something, you know what I mean? So the
Speaker 1: demonic spread of evil and it's not us. The demonic
Speaker 1: spread of evil is around. But and to be right
Speaker 1: with God on the flip side of that, you normal,
Speaker 1: non spiritual way, there's got to be a power of
Speaker 1: God just as strong. And that's why I call it's
Speaker 1: supernatural it's really there. I've seen a lot of that
Speaker 1: where I haven't seen before. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: pastors now and supernatural believers that getting these combinations from
Speaker 1: God how to get things done. I've never you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. It's incredible, what God, it's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't want to sound like
Speaker 1: a preacher, because I'm not. But we are truly living
Speaker 1: in the last days. And but we can, you know,
Speaker 1: we can triumph it. Just you know, we got to
Speaker 1: keep COVID all this stuff. Oh dear Lord, imagine we
Speaker 1: were a Urico dog. We love you. You're incredible. Thank
Speaker 1: you for doing the Lord's work. You We we need
Speaker 1: more people like you. And if you ever want a
Speaker 1: uny Jewish woman to come along for a right along,
Speaker 1: please invite me. I'm dying to come. Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I enjoy your enjoy your Armadillo moments in life. But
Speaker 1: don't stop doing what you're doing because it's it's impressive
Speaker 1: and needed. And listen after Armadillo and the best here.
Speaker 1: You know, forty years bro, I've arrest in eight thousand,
Speaker 1: I've probably bragged the number one crime guy in America
Speaker 1: out of solvement. How to stop it? Yeah, educate, don't
Speaker 1: and Carson rat. I mean, there's so many things that
Speaker 1: I've seen work and things that I haven't. Please remember
Speaker 1: my my people and call me if you need me.
Speaker 1: I'll be right there. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will, and I will be purchasing your n f
Speaker 1: T and looking out for you in sandbox. Thank you, Helloa,
Speaker 1: thank you, God bless thank you, thank you. I feel
Speaker 1: like I need like go to a spot that was wild,
Speaker 1: that was so are you guys not shook? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit, it was. It's quite a roller coaster, quite
Speaker 1: an event. I mean, I'm I'm very interested to hear
Speaker 1: what he knows about Brian laundry that we don't know.
Speaker 1: I know he did he I saw your eyes light
Speaker 1: up when he said that's not over and and he
Speaker 1: could just mean that there's the suing going on, but
Speaker 1: I feel like and he said, we have stuff footage
Speaker 1: that people don't have of you. He knows something and
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to hear what it is. And he
Speaker 1: said that they keep getting tips every day. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really do think that people are, you know, not
Speaker 1: over the fact that he might have run away or
Speaker 1: he's he's not really dead or and you know that
Speaker 1: used to be my theory, but obviously I'm over that one.
Speaker 1: But I do think when he said, you know he
Speaker 1: can he was right handed and he was shot in
Speaker 1: the left temple. I I think about that constantly. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who killed Brian Laundry? Was it one of the parents?
Speaker 1: Was a like a assistant suicide? Was it? You know?
Speaker 1: I think that there's so many aspects and play that
Speaker 1: we really just don't have enough information about. Agreed, And
Speaker 1: I think it's so difficult to shoot a gun that
Speaker 1: to do that with your non dominant hand and have
Speaker 1: it be without a reaction, have it be where you
Speaker 1: needed to be. There's Yeah, it seems interesting. It's a
Speaker 1: little suspect. So this guy that I was dating, it's
Speaker 1: a weird go on. I'm here. Maybe he loves guns.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll come with you to go get one.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a cooling off period after you try
Speaker 1: to get a gun, or they make you wait ten
Speaker 1: days before you can go back and get it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know that the same thing with
Speaker 1: dating for you, and yeah, wait ten days and then
Speaker 1: I always go back I know that don't learn anything,
Speaker 1: so and he was trying to show me how to
Speaker 1: put a bullet into the gun, to load the gun,
Speaker 1: and it was physically so difficult to actually put the
Speaker 1: bullets into the gun. I mean, there's everything having to
Speaker 1: do with guns. I think people don't realize how complicated
Speaker 1: they are and how difficult it is. So then to
Speaker 1: do everything with your non dominant hand right is very confusing.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. That's the problem is that guns are
Speaker 1: so difficult to operate this and yet somehow these so
Speaker 1: many morons and ship heads find a way to get
Speaker 1: them and operate them. And welcome back to real time crime.
Speaker 1: You just heard us with Dog, And then of course
Speaker 1: Dmitri and I had to give our two cents about
Speaker 1: guns and brand laundry because that's who we are inside.
Speaker 1: And I think it's time for us to talk about
Speaker 1: our main case of the day. Demitri A you ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I mean, it's gonna be tough, pretty tough
Speaker 1: to dissect this thing without Dog. But now I feel
Speaker 1: like I wish you seen another level. I mean, no offense,
Speaker 1: I do wish we got his opinion on literally everything
Speaker 1: from today and all ways in every episode. I wish
Speaker 1: he was on the podcast. He wouldn't be sometimes dog,
Speaker 1: he would be all the time. Dog. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think i'd get to speak, and I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1: Do you love how much he called me young constantly?
Speaker 1: I know you did. I don't know what clips will
Speaker 1: be on social media, but if there's a clip of
Speaker 1: you smiling when he calls you young, I think people
Speaker 1: will get it. Because I was like, here, we get
Speaker 1: he said it a couple of times. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: come on, dog, You're really going to hurt us in
Speaker 1: the long run. She doesn't. I know that when people
Speaker 1: look at me, they think I'm eighteen, but I'm actually
Speaker 1: twenty two. M okay. So I just want to say
Speaker 1: trigger warning suicide. I mean, honestly, this whole episode is
Speaker 1: a trigger warning. But this case, specifically, it's the death
Speaker 1: of Conrad Roy. I'm sure you've been hearing about it
Speaker 1: because there are multiple TV shows about it now. There's
Speaker 1: ABC and Who Lose the Girl for Plainville, and they're
Speaker 1: both about the same case. So Conrad Henry Roy the
Speaker 1: third was an American teenager who died by suicide at
Speaker 1: the age of eighteen and fourteen, his girlfriend, then seventeen
Speaker 1: year old Michelle Carter, encouraged him in text messages to
Speaker 1: kill himself. The case was the subject of a notable
Speaker 1: investigation and involuntary manslaughter trial in Massachusetts, colloquial known as
Speaker 1: the texting suicide case. Michelle Carter made headlines in fifteen
Speaker 1: when a mass Chusets judge ruled that her words through
Speaker 1: texting and phone calls coerced eighteen year old Roy into
Speaker 1: dying by suicide. She was sentenced to fifteen months in prison,
Speaker 1: which she sure served from February twenty nineteen to January
Speaker 1: twenty She got released three months early due to good conduct,
Speaker 1: so Michelle Carter twenty five has been seen for the
Speaker 1: first time since being released from jail January. Her story
Speaker 1: has been dramatized in the Hulu series The Girl from
Speaker 1: Plain Bill with l Fanning playing Carter, Colton Ryan playing
Speaker 1: Conrad Roy, and Chloe seven A how do you say
Speaker 1: your last name? Is that? How you say it? I thought,
Speaker 1: A seven, I think that's very fancy. This is We're
Speaker 1: going to get the bomb of this crime playing Lennroy,
Speaker 1: Conrad's mother. In addition to the Girl From playing Bill,
Speaker 1: Carter and Roy story has also been covered inbo documentary
Speaker 1: I Love You Now Die The Commonwealth Verse Michelle Carter,
Speaker 1: woof Last week ABC revisited the texting suicide trial. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people have already heard about
Speaker 1: this case. And this boy was very beloved. He was
Speaker 1: an all around good kids, smart, family oriented, surrounded by friends.
Speaker 1: Was even mentioned how he got his captain license to
Speaker 1: go out on their family boat with his dad and grandfather.
Speaker 1: He never wanted to failed anything, but apart from having
Speaker 1: a seemingly good life, he appeared and he had a
Speaker 1: battle with his mental health, and he had attempted suicide before.
Speaker 1: He did have issues, and he got help for it
Speaker 1: and he came out the other side. And when they
Speaker 1: found out that he took his own life, they didn't
Speaker 1: believe it's because he wanted to die, but rather it
Speaker 1: was a cry for help. And this is such a
Speaker 1: tragic story. I think. I think some people think that
Speaker 1: she should be a free woman Michelle um and and
Speaker 1: some people say they were surprised she even got eleven months,
Speaker 1: which is crazy to me. I think emotionally, you want
Speaker 1: her because it was decided and with your own eyes
Speaker 1: and ears, it seems like she certainly didn't play the
Speaker 1: role that he needed in this right she put and
Speaker 1: part of it was, didn't they say that she she
Speaker 1: wanted the attention of being like the grieving girlfriend that
Speaker 1: was kind of allegedly what what kind of what she
Speaker 1: was doing is for for attention and stuff like that. Clearly,
Speaker 1: if he's battling with mental mental health and and he
Speaker 1: had kind of been righting himself and trying to deal
Speaker 1: with it and she comes in and not the person
Speaker 1: he needed in his life. Um, but yeah, you could
Speaker 1: see that. I guess in one way, it is lucky
Speaker 1: that she did any time at all because she didn't
Speaker 1: commit the crime, But so there was a lot of
Speaker 1: gray area in there. So I think that's the big question.
Speaker 1: Was Michelle in any way responsible for Conrad taking his
Speaker 1: own life? Because I guess at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it was still his decision, is what people are saying.
Speaker 1: And online bullying is so prevalent now. I'm just grateful
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with you know, Instagram when I
Speaker 1: was in middle school, because I probably would have lost
Speaker 1: my mind over all the online bullying and the fake
Speaker 1: accounts and people can say anything, but when you read
Speaker 1: the chain of transmission between them and their texts. She's
Speaker 1: she's saying do it, do it, or do it or
Speaker 1: I'll get you help. It's like, just get him help.
Speaker 1: Why are you She's like, oh baby, you can't live
Speaker 1: like this? Oh what? Yeah, that's that's not the words
Speaker 1: of someone that that truly cares about somebody that's going
Speaker 1: through some problem. Maybe she would claim that she was
Speaker 1: trying to, like, you know, give him an ultimating, but
Speaker 1: that's not that's not the the area that you play
Speaker 1: around with that. No, she even said last night, was it.
Speaker 1: You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it,
Speaker 1: but you never do. It's always going to be that
Speaker 1: way if you don't take action, you're just gonna make
Speaker 1: it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just
Speaker 1: have to do it. Do you want to do it now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like and and these are I mean, it goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on, and you can read.
Speaker 1: I suggest that you look it up and make a
Speaker 1: decision for yourself how you feel whether you think that
Speaker 1: she's responsible, partially responsible, fully responsible, I mean the text
Speaker 1: or bizarre. She's like, I love you, Are you gonna
Speaker 1: do it now, like what, It's so bizarre because clearly
Speaker 1: not the words of someone that truly loves, that loves
Speaker 1: him and is concerned about him. So well, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a shame, it's terrible all around. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he needed help and this is someone
Speaker 1: that was close to him, that he thought probably did
Speaker 1: love him or did care about him, and these are
Speaker 1: the words that he's getting them from the most from
Speaker 1: and you know, his family as a as a father, myself,
Speaker 1: like his family afterward, knowing that someone was doing this
Speaker 1: to him, probably I don't know what the relationship was
Speaker 1: with her and the family, but they probably thought, oh,
Speaker 1: it's his girlfriend. She's there, she's another level of support.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the family or that connection,
Speaker 1: but to look back on that now has got to
Speaker 1: be just like it was right there in front of you.
Speaker 1: That's why people say, do you look at your kids
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, you know, read their text or
Speaker 1: And granted he's eighteen, so it's a different it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a different story. But it's so interesting
Speaker 1: when you said that, it triggered me because I remember
Speaker 1: thinking I had no privacy as a kid, and I
Speaker 1: was such a good kid, and my mom was looking
Speaker 1: or I felt like I was looking for problems, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was her way of getting closer to me,
Speaker 1: or but there was never any reason for concern mhm.
Speaker 1: And that still is something that I constantly feel frustrated by,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, do I have my privacy? Is anyone
Speaker 1: looking through my stuff? But it's then you go into
Speaker 1: situations like this where I'm sure if his parents saw
Speaker 1: these text messages, they would have taken him and gone
Speaker 1: him help immediately, you know. And you can see in
Speaker 1: the text messages he's talking about how you know, he's
Speaker 1: out with his family getting ice cream, or he's out
Speaker 1: he's doing something with his family, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: you got to do it when you're done, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't, I don't know. I'm getting nervous
Speaker 1: because I just I don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: to my family, Like he loved his family, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I told you, I'll take care of them. It'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, the the amount of evil that you have
Speaker 1: to have to to even whatever whatever reason, alleged reason,
Speaker 1: whatever reason she was doing it for, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no excuse for it. It's it's not when you know
Speaker 1: someone struggling, that's not the approach you take. And I
Speaker 1: do believe, and I remember hearing that. I do believe
Speaker 1: it was more about attention. Oh, she's going to play
Speaker 1: the role of the grieving girlfriend, clearly not loving herself more,
Speaker 1: clearly loving herself more than him or anything else. I mean. Also,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I believe she was a factor in
Speaker 1: his death, you know, because there was no if you
Speaker 1: break up with me, I'll kill myself. Because it sounds
Speaker 1: like she wanted him to kill himself so she didn't
Speaker 1: want to be with him. She could have just broken
Speaker 1: up with him, you know, there's like and then the
Speaker 1: blame would have been on her. Then she wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been able to play that role she wanted to play either.
Speaker 1: Did she just think no one was going to see
Speaker 1: the messages? He even says like did you delete these?
Speaker 1: Like they're talking about deleting the messages? You know. It's
Speaker 1: like it's just so upsetting. And I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think that when a case like this gets made into
Speaker 1: a TV show that it glorifies it or does it
Speaker 1: bring it awareness or both? I think as long as
Speaker 1: things are done a certain way, I don't think. I'm
Speaker 1: not as alarmed by glorifying stuff. I think, obviously you
Speaker 1: can glorify something and make it look like especially for
Speaker 1: younger minds and and uh and influencing people. But I'm
Speaker 1: I think it's better to be aware. But that's why
Speaker 1: I'll read things. I'll read news stories that I don't
Speaker 1: want to read, but I read them because you can
Speaker 1: take something from them, and you can learn something. The
Speaker 1: more you are aware you are of things, the more
Speaker 1: you can be, the more you can prevent them. Right,
Speaker 1: So stuff like you said about privacy, you were a
Speaker 1: good kid, you didn't really do anything. But you know what,
Speaker 1: sometimes kids, especially getting this moment and they think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is only happening to me
Speaker 1: and this is only my life, and things get so
Speaker 1: put under a microscope and they don't realize that a
Speaker 1: lot of people go through bullying a lot and there's
Speaker 1: people out there that go through the same things and people.
Speaker 1: So I think support groups and knowing stuff is an
Speaker 1: easier way to help people. So I'm not concerned with
Speaker 1: the TV shows, and I assume that they're not taking
Speaker 1: a glorifying stance to it. No. I mean the other
Speaker 1: thing about television shows is it does bring more awareness
Speaker 1: to it in my opinion, you know, and then it
Speaker 1: helps other people in the future. That's That's what a
Speaker 1: lot of entertainment is is bringing awareness so that people
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, that happened to someone else. Well, now
Speaker 1: I don't feel so alone, or this isn't so uncommon,
Speaker 1: or this is the way, or this is something I
Speaker 1: should be looking out for. There are a multitude of
Speaker 1: ways that it's actually extremely beneficial. And you know, I
Speaker 1: mean they did it with the Anadelte case, they did
Speaker 1: it with a tender swindler. It's like, if you don't
Speaker 1: put that information out there, of course, the tender swindlers now,
Speaker 1: you know, like signed with a SiGe and or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's different, of course. But now people are aware that
Speaker 1: this sort of thing can happen and they should be
Speaker 1: on the lookout, you know. And it's like if a
Speaker 1: if a guy started asking me for twenty dollars or
Speaker 1: open credit, I would be like, m you have seen
Speaker 1: this before and it's going to be a no for me. Dog,
Speaker 1: But not I would never say no. Dog. The bounty
Speaker 1: hunter obviously obviously thousand times yes to him that how
Speaker 1: many times can I say yes? You know? And wow,
Speaker 1: this has been a wild episode today. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of and to be honest, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: almost feel bad putting that thing in here because you
Speaker 1: look at all these other things and you're like, get
Speaker 1: your ask back out there and deliver the mail or
Speaker 1: figure it out post office. You don't stop delivering mail
Speaker 1: because of one thing that irritated me, Like all this
Speaker 1: other ship going on, it's like whoa, someone swung a broomstick.
Speaker 1: Figure it out. You don't just stop doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Imagine if dog was like, WHOA, this is dangerous, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do go do this, he said, He's
Speaker 1: what arrested like eight thousand people or help bring them in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the littlest hardship. It's like, I'm sorry that there was
Speaker 1: one witch in Santa Monica who needed to take off
Speaker 1: to get to their next destination and you were in
Speaker 1: the way. Get over it, right, Get over it anyway,
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Speaker 1: Hi Leo, will you go out with me? Oh? Dear lord,
Speaker 1: it'll make you so uncomfortable. Leave those messages will be
Speaker 1: so happy. I'll be like, yeah, someone loves me. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's very sad. That's so sad, Dmitri. We can't do
Speaker 1: podcast this early again, all right. You can find me
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Speaker 1: another content violation, so who knows how long I'll be
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Speaker 1: It's real time ground. I mean, is it actually real
Speaker 1: time crime or I'm solving anything or is that just
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