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Speaker 2: And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined as always by

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. Fifteen.

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Speaker 2: That's like two percent of the entire entirety of the

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Speaker 2: plays that they called, right. They called a.

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Speaker 1: Thousand offensive plays.

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Speaker 2: I'm not very good at math, but I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that that's like two percent, right whatever.

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Speaker 1: This point at this point was probably Microsoft Exel's sponsor,

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Speaker 1: given how often we talk about them, although the way

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Speaker 1: I talked about him, I don't know how well that

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Speaker 1: would work. It's Alex Bart in the host chair today

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Speaker 1: on Catch twenty two. A little bit of a shotgun

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Speaker 1: start here. That's uh, you know, partially on me, but

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Speaker 1: We are often running on a Senior Bowl edition of

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Speaker 1: Catch twenty two. It wasn't Evan's fault, that wasn't MA fault.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it was partially my fault. But

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Speaker 1: we are underway here. It's Alex Bart in the host

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Speaker 1: chair because Evan Lazar is down in mobile at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. That's gonna be the heavy majority of the

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Speaker 1: show today will be Senior Bowl topics. We'll get you know.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple more coaches that were hired the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days. Drake May is going to the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. We can get to that as well. Your

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Speaker 1: sponsor of the New England Patriots. So two days down

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Speaker 1: in mobile, two practices down, one to go tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: then the game on Saturday. So things hardly in the

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Speaker 1: books yet a lot of time for things to change.

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Speaker 1: But I think let's start here, Evan, because the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: you could argue, their biggest need on both sides of

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Speaker 1: the balls in the trenches we kind of knew when

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Speaker 1: you looked at the rosters going into this week. They

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Speaker 1: always do a good job of putting together complete roster,

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Speaker 1: but this year specifically, it felt like the strength down

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Speaker 1: there is in the trenches. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: just big pick trum curious if you're agree seeing it

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Speaker 1: in person. I think that's held up through two days.

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Speaker 1: On both sides of the ball, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: a couple of the players here and there, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, the best players at the Senior Bowls here

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Speaker 1: are offensive lineman and defensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would definitely say that's true on the defensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball, the defensive line group, and I

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Speaker 2: want to get into individual players here with you. We

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Speaker 2: can just kind of get through both rosters and I'll

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Speaker 2: just start throwing names at you that have stood out

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Speaker 2: to me here. But just watching this defensive line group

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Speaker 2: for both teams, but especially the American team, there's been

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Speaker 2: and this is cutting off that. You know, there's no

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Speaker 2: the top of the class and really starting to talk

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Speaker 2: is probably the best mastiest rated player. Yeah, are Green

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Speaker 2: And it's been a dominant group. Your boy Dion Walker

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, we can start with the tackles.

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Speaker 2: He's the one thing that just eye test wise and

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Speaker 2: Talking about two really really different players, like Connorly is

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Speaker 2: So those two guys have popped in terms of like that.

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Speaker 2: this is a HBCU prospect, small school guy. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: I don't think he looks like the draft simulators looking

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Speaker 1: To let me ask you what position because they moved

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Speaker 1: Any guards that stood out to you just before we

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Speaker 1: Couple of missus today. He had a couple of misses today.

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Speaker 1: pick whoever unless they take Campbell or Banks at the

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00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: top of the board. Right, if we're we're sitting there

431
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: April twenty, what is it, twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and

432
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: they take Travis Hunter or they take Tech mcmillany, like

433
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: they trade back to take Tech McMillan, right, something like that,

434
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: they take Mason Graham, We're gonna kind of be sitting there.

435
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: We're not. We're not gonna We're not gonna be done

436
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: for the night. We're not. And when I say we,

437
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think you have to have an eye

438
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: on for people following the team. Is their move back

439
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: up the board. Are they gonna try to squeeze the

440
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: second pick in the first round, because I think those

441
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: tackles are probably worth it Elsewhere on offense wide receiver,

442
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: I think this is where we're gonna disagree a little

443
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: bit on a couple of players. The player to watch

444
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: coming in, especially for the Patriots with Xavier or Streppo,

445
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: who kind of profiles as that ideal Patriots slot. Not

446
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: only does he have the quickness, but he is the

447
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: tough to be a volume guy. You see, he's built

448
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: for it. He's built a little thicker, a little more

449
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: dense to absorb some of those hits. I think he's

450
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: done what he needed to do so far through two practices.

451
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't have you know, it hasn't really any been

452
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: anything that stood out that did you worry about for

453
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: me from him. I know you were texting me that

454
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: you maybe had some concerns about his long speed in

455
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: that position. I don't really worry so much about straight

456
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: line speed. I'm gonna be running in a straight line

457
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: that much. And if he is, he's pulled away from defender,

458
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: which is great. I'm really high in what I've seen

459
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: from Rastreppo this week.

460
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to really fall in love with Rastreppo,

461
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I necessarily got there with him.

462
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: The thing that it stands out to me though with

463
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: him is the build. Like yesterday, as soon as I

464
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: saw him, I was like, all right, that he's built

465
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: like a running back and runs routs like a receiver,

466
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: which is what you want if that's the role that

467
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna play, if you're gonna be a volume slot

468
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: in that Julian Edelman khalilis here, you know, like that

469
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: type of role and I see a little bit of

470
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: shakier in him. She hears a little bit taller, a

471
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: little bit bigger. But in terms of Restreppo, I do

472
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: see some comparisons there, and a big element of it is,

473
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, you don't see a ton of after the

474
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: catch in these practices, so if he plays in the game,

475
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: maybe we'll see a little bit more of that. But

476
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: like you did, you're watching these guys run routes, you're

477
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: not necessarily watching what they can do with the ball

478
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: in their hands. And I think that's a big part

479
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: of Restreppo's game. You know, he's returning punts this week,

480
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: you know he's working out of the slot, he's doing

481
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 2: all those types of things. So I definitely think that

482
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: that's a big element to his game. He's the first

483
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 2: and second level route runner, though, like there's not going

484
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 2: to be a whole lot. He tried a couple of

485
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: times this week to run the slot, fade and take,

486
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, get deep on a defender, and he just

487
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have a whole lot of pull away speed. And

488
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: he's got really short stride length as well, because he's

489
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: like five eight five nine and he's five to nine,

490
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: so that that's a part of it too, So I

491
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to get much of a vertical

492
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: element from him playing in the slot. But again, you know,

493
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: like we've been saying with him, if you want to

494
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: move the chains, if you want to get that quick

495
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: twitch guy on the inside that can create separation, I

496
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: still think he can do that. I just see a

497
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: lot of it coming at the first two levels, especially

498
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: the first level of the defense, and maybe some of

499
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: the like screens and scheme touch type of stuff as well.

500
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not too worried about that because we

501
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: know they probably need more than one receiver and can

502
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: you go get the vertically divertical guy elsewhere, right or

503
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: I for what he is, I still think he's a

504
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: good player. But I know you're maybe a little more

505
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: interested in Tess Johnson.

506
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Well, Tess Johnson is a fascinating one because you can

507
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: just say it, are we doing Taekwon again? Right?

508
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: You know where it will well significantly shorter Taekwon Thornton right.

509
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: Which is to me that's part of it. Though. Like Taekwon,

510
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: Taekwon's issues were that he wasn't just underweight, he was

511
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: also rail thin, like he was a stop he was

512
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: a stretched out one hundred and eighty pounds, if you

513
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. Like he he was a tall,

514
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: lean individual like that. That that was his big thing,

515
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: and so he was he was frail, like he just

516
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: didn't have the body to withstand the the NFL in

517
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: terms of staying healthy and also just the physicality of

518
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: the NFL too, at least to this point. Ye, So

519
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: with Teses Johnson, I still have some of those concerns, like.

520
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: Fifty six pounds.

521
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's tiny, you know, he's one hundred and fifty

522
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: six pounds, there's no doubt, But it's a little bit more.

523
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: The way he carries it is a little bit more natural,

524
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, because he's not six one six

525
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: y two right like he's He's built a little bit more,

526
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, Like Take Dell, you know like that, that's.

527
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: Take much bigger than he is. No, to me, the

528
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: comparison is Devin Tompkins. And I know you're gonna say

529
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: too too at well, but.

530
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, to two outlaws. Like another one that came to

531
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: mind is Take though that much bigger. I mean, I'll

532
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: look it up. I don't remember Tank Dell being that

533
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: much bigger. But maybe I have it wrong. I mean,

534
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: take Dell is five eight one sixty five at the combine,

535
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: so he's he was ten pounds heavier I suppose than Johnson.

536
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: So the way that he's run routes down here though,

537
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: it just reminds me of evolved that I wasn't at

538
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: that Senior Bowl when when Tank Dell came out, but

539
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: I remember all the us and ohs about Tank Dell's

540
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: route running and we watched on TV and stuff like that,

541
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: and he put on a show. And I don't know

542
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: if Taz Johnson quite did the Tank Dell. But Tate

543
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: Tell had an incredible week in mobile to his draft cycle.

544
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: But he was really really good today in team in

545
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: one on ones. He can't cover him. You know, if

546
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to be ultra physical

547
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: in the safety's not going to come down and knock him. Probably,

548
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: Like those are all things that you have to think

549
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: about in practice. It doesn't necessarily translate to the game.

550
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: But he's fast that he's quick on his feet, he's

551
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: got all the separation ability in the world. He's just tiny.

552
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: Like so I understand if you're a Patriots fan and

553
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: you're a hard no on a player like that, because

554
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: of what we've seen with Taekwon, I totally get it.

555
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: I'm not going to necessarily argue with you, but just

556
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: what has happened with what I've seen with my eyes

557
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: over the last two days, there's no question that he's

558
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: been the best separator in Mobile.

559
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: No, But it's it's more than just that to me,

560
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: because what like, he's gonna be a top one hundred pick.

561
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: If you could get him later on day three, I'd

562
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: be more interested. But he's gonna be a top one

563
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: hundred pick. So that's a guy you need a plan

564
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: for immediately. What is his assuming we think Josh mctamale's

565
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: gonna run it, and we know we talked about this

566
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: last week, there's gonna be different wrinkles too with Drake maybe,

567
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: but like the same core concepts right, same corps offense.

568
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: What's the role for Ted Johnson? It's not the slot

569
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: because he can't get one hundred and twenty targets in

570
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: a season. He's just not physically, he's not gonna be

571
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: able to do that. He's not nacks probably like is

572
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: he a Z? But if he's that kind of speed

573
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: Z that you know Chris Hogan, Danny Amandola Role. We

574
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: already have Pop Douglas, so you're either to me, if

575
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: you draft Tes Johnson, it's to move on from Pop Douglas,

576
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: which when you have all these other needs and Pop

577
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Douglas is one of your better players, using a top

578
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: one hundred pick to replace Pop Douglas doesn't It doesn't

579
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: move the needle for me. I think that's a redundant

580
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: pick and they need to be adding, not replacing, in

581
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: the top one hundred.

582
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: It's a valid point. And I look at Tess Johnson

583
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: as a receiver that I would say is a runway player,

584
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Like you want to set him up on crossers, on

585
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: go routes, on slot fades, anything that you can possibly

586
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: do to get that guy in a foot race like that.

587
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: That's exactly what you're gonna try to do with him.

588
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna move him around, you're gonna put him in

589
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna put him in stacks and bunch alignments and

590
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: things like that so he doesn't get pressed, and you're

591
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: just going to get him off the line of scrimmage

592
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: and let him run like that. That's just ultimately what

593
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna be. He's shown a little bit more of

594
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, horizontal uh, you know, lateral agility than I

595
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: thought he had in that tank, Dell Mold. But I

596
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: hear you like I I definitely see some similarities in

597
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: terms of usage with Pop. I think he's a little

598
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: bit longer than Pop, like his catch radius is a

599
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: little bit bigger, but he's a similar player overall. And

600
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: if you're the Patriots, yeah, if you're worried about that

601
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: type of redundancy. Now, I will say I do think

602
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: that they're trying to get away from role specific scouting,

603
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, just looking at it as this is the

604
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: guy's a slot receiver, this guy's a third down back,

605
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: that guy's a situational pass rusher, this guy's a mic linebacker.

606
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 2: I do think they're trying to get to more of

607
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: a best overall talent type of system and what they're grading.

608
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf has talked about this on the record before.

609
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Somehow you know, breaking any news here, but that I

610
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: do believe is is what they're trying to do with

611
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: this new grading.

612
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: But there has to be a balance there otherwise you

613
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: end up with like ten guards. There has to be

614
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: a balance there, and especially if it's a guy in

615
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: the top one hundred. Like, it's not just we've talked

616
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: about it. It's not just best player available. It's best

617
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: player available for the football team, for your specific football team.

618
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: And if you think Tess Johnson's a great player, and

619
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: then you you know, you get to camp and you're

620
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: you're putting the offense together and suddenly you don't have

621
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: any place to put them. How's that the best player

622
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: available if you don't have a way to get them

623
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: on the field, or you're you're now taking Pop Douglas

624
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: off the field, who's one of your better players. I

625
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: just think that has to be considered.

626
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree it has to be considered. But

627
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: my my rebuttal to that, because you know, I just

628
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: I got a need for speed.

629
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: You just want you just want to track team.

630
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: You just want any guy that can any guy that

631
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: can separate. I am on board.

632
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: So here's what you do, because go go to Oregon's

633
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: track practice and just convince all those guys after the draft.

634
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: Oh, is that what they did with Tess Johnson? Because

635
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: it's possible that Oregon just did that for me by

636
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: putting Tess Johnson on their football team. But just the

637
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: last thing i'd say about Tess Johnson just as a

638
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: rebuttal teerpoint, because I hear where you're coming from. I

639
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: worry that, you know, looking at last year's draft, for example,

640
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: we've heard a little bit of this coming out with

641
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: reports and things like that that they passed on lad

642
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: Mconkey because they felt like he was a slot only

643
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: player and that they had that already with Pop Douglas, right.

644
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that that's necessarily exactly what it was,

645
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: but that there's been some reporting out there that that

646
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: was the mindset, that they thought that a guy like

647
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk could play a little bit more on the

648
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 2: outside and be a little bit more versatile and all

649
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: those types of things. I would just hate to see

650
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: them miss out. And I'm not necessarily saying this is

651
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: tes Johnson, but maybe it's Luther Burden, maybe it's you know,

652
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: somebody else like in this mold as well. I would

653
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: hate to see them miss out on that type of

654
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: receiving talent simply just because they're sitting there saying, well,

655
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: he's redundant to the.

656
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah, I think Luthor Burden can do more. That's

657
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: a different conversation you're gonna get a lot more out

658
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: of Luther Burden yard of Tess Johnson. I just think

659
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: if I get the Lad McConkey thing, but it shouldn't

660
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: be Lad McConkie or Jalen Polk's. It doesn't have to

661
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: be one or the other. It's Lad McConkie or Jalen

662
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Polk or Ady Mitchell or Tovandre Sweat or Brandon Coleman,

663
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: or like any of these other players that are available. Right,

664
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: you could look at it like, all right, so I'm

665
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: trying to remember exactly where the board was at that point.

666
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: I think Tavandre Silt was still on the board when

667
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: they traded down, right, if I remember correctly. I know

668
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: he went the pick before, but it was the pick

669
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: before they actually took Polk, not the pick before they traded, right.

670
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: So anyway, the point being, like, let's say it was

671
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: just for the sake of argument thirty eight, Okay, so

672
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: they had a chance to take Sweat when they traded down.

673
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: So Andandre Sweat's a great player, and they needed a

674
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: defensive tackle this year badly. They needed a player like that.

675
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: So you know it's not just oh, well, you know,

676
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: we don't think this wide receiver is a fit for us,

677
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a lesser wide receiver. If anything,

678
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: it speaks more to the best player available thing. You know,

679
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: all right, we think this player is good, but this

680
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: player and no other position is also good. And if that, like,

681
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: whether or not you have a role for the guy

682
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: should absolutely be a tiebreaker. So I if they draft,

683
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: if they were to draft Tess Johnson, they're gonna end

684
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: up burying somebody. And they just don't have the roster

685
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: where they can afford to bury guys. They need to

686
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: spread the talent. I get it's like, yeah, we think

687
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: this guy can do this. I'm more so approaching it

688
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: from from the It's not it's not so much. Yeah, Okay,

689
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: they already have a guy that can do this, so

690
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: they shouldn't draft Ted Johnson. It's they have so many

691
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: things that they the other things that they need filled

692
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: that can we look at another position, Can we look

693
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: at another skill set? Maybe it's an X receiver right

694
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: in that spot that I think they need to consider.

695
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: And sure any other wide receivers stand out to you.

696
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can move on from from our Tess Johnson

697
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: debate that will probably have fifty hundred more times. So

698
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: I thought both Iowa state receivers were decent, Noel and Higgins.

699
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: Both those guys I thought stood out for different reasons.

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: Noel I think is smooth at the top of the route.

701
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't waste much movement, gets in and out of

702
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: the brakes pretty cleanly. You can see that that second

703
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: level separation there from him there. And then Jayden Higgins

704
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: I thought was really smooth for his size. Like he

705
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: came in at six foot four. He's a tall, bigger

706
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: receiver six foot four, two hundred and fifteen pounds, and

707
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: he's really really smooth for that size. We do this

708
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: a lot, and I think it's applicable here. A couple

709
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: of years ago. Was like Za Flowers, Josh Downs, Pop

710
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Douglas right right, I would say Teed McMillan is like

711
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: that the the what's the word, like the high end

712
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: apex prospect for this type of body type and skill set.

713
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins is like day two TEP McMillan, right, Like

714
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: he's he's the guy that's got the size that but

715
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: has that size and runs routes like a smaller guy,

716
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: but can use that size when called upon, Like it's

717
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: not He's not Mike Evans, Like, he's not going to

718
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: go in and moss people and stuff like that. It's

719
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: not necessarily his game. But I do think he can

720
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: use his length and his catch radius when needed. But

721
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: he's more a route runner, you know, and that tech McMillan,

722
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Drake London type of mold.

723
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Do you think there like part of conversation around him

724
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: this week was he's gonna get type cast is a

725
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: big slot in the NFL. Do you think he's broken that?

726
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't. He had a really good one on one

727
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: rep today on the outside. Awesome, you know, if you

728
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: want to be realistic about the type of player that

729
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: he used and not get too crazy with the cops.

730
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: Yoshiva's on the Bengals is like one guy that kind

731
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: of stood out to me as that type of player,

732
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: and I think Yoshiva's played a lot in the slot.

733
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: But he also had Higgins and Jamar Chase, you know,

734
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: on the outside taking up reps there, so maybe that

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: was just the situation, but those are the types of

736
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: guys that I look at for Jid and Higgins. I

737
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: don't think that he's a pure plot only guy, but

738
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: I can see why people think that that would be

739
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: advantageous matchups for him inside. You know, again, if you

740
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: can get him on a slot corner who might be

741
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: a little bit smaller, and get him on a safety

742
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: where he now can win that foot race versus trying

743
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: to stack a corner on the outside, I could see

744
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: those types of things being advantageous for him. But I

745
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: don't think he is just a slot guy because of

746
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: his size. Like I think he's got enough size to

747
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: play on the perimeter, but you're probably talking about a

748
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: piece you're trying to move around. But for all the

749
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: reasons why people love tech McMillan to call into our

750
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: show all the time and talk about Ted, this is

751
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: a tech McMillan. But on day two of this draft,

752
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people are sick of

753
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: doing that, you know, trying to shop at the at

754
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: the dollar store or the discount store instead of just

755
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: going out and buying the brand name. But I definitely

756
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: could see Jayden Higgins playing a similar type of role

757
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL and doing it pretty well.

758
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: You can only take one player top of the draft,

759
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: so if it's you know, you got to know who

760
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: these guys are later because if it's not if you're not.

761
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: If it's not you know, day two Tech mc millan,

762
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: and you're looking for day two Abdual Carter or day

763
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: two Will Campbell or whatever. Right, I'll give you one

764
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: more rector I like. And this is another guy I

765
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: like for that volume slot role, although I think he

766
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: does have some zero receiver potential. And that's Kyle Williams.

767
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I was kind of late to him.

768
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: I was doing some research before the game and I

769
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: was just looking at the roster and I'm looking all

770
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: these guys and I start looking at him, and I

771
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: start watching him. I think, I text you, I text

772
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: some other people and like hyper productive with really bad

773
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: quarterback play Washington State. The thing that stands out to

774
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: me is not just his ability to accelerate. Not just

775
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: his acceleration, is deceleration. He can go from full speed

776
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: to a stop like that, and then you can go

777
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: from a stop to full speed like that, and it

778
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: makes him really dangerous at the top of the route

779
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and off the catch. So I'm looking at him and like, look,

780
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: he's a little undersized, like five ten one ninety. He

781
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: played in that Pack two didn't have the strongest competition,

782
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: But I'm like this, this guy looks like a top

783
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: one hundred receiver foringy top one hundred receiver, And I

784
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: go to our big board and he's at like eight hundred.

785
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: He's I think he's eight thirty. He was the last

786
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: ranked receiver on the big board. And then I start

787
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: looking out these things to change right right. Well, then

788
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I start like trying to google him and looking on

789
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Twitter and nobody's talking about him, and I'm like, did

790
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: I just did I imagine this guy? And it got

791
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: to the point where even during the broadcasts today, every

792
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: time he was up for one on one, they cut

793
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: away like they're gaslighting me into believing this guy exists.

794
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: But from what I've seen, he's looked very good. I'm

795
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: curious what you think, but I've been very impressed. You

796
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about like a true sleeper. Again, they

797
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: won't even show was once on the broadcast, but you

798
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: know they cut back to it later. I see people

799
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: in the media posting clips and it looks pretty good.

800
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wrote down his name a couple of times today.

801
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: I thought he had some good moments today. Didn't really

802
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: see much of him yesterday, didn't really flash a Ton

803
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: in the first day of practice, but I thought today

804
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: definitely had some good moments. And I would say him

805
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: and then the other guy I was going to bring

806
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: up to you too is it is Jack Beck from TC.

807
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, very different players, but he's been good.

808
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Both those guys, though, I think did a nice

809
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: job this week of finishing through some contact and being

810
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: able to just kind of be strong and sturdy with

811
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: at the catch point.

812
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: Well is like a total catch point monster, like he dominant,

813
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: is a monster.

814
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: He's a big dude.

815
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: He gives me some some Jake Bobo vibes.

816
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's a good colm. With Kyle Williams too, though,

817
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: I thought I saw some of that, and and I

818
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: think that's such an underrated skill in the scouting receivers,

819
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: is being able to finish through contact, especially.

820
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Start cut out, especially for a guy like just to

821
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: separate them becks like what six two two ten two

822
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: fifteen like Williams is a much smaller receiver doing that.

823
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and I definitely think that there's some of that.

824
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: You know, some of these guys get into the NFL

825
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: level and you just you can't finish the catch at

826
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: the catch point because you're always gonna see good coverage

827
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: at the NFL level. It's not gonna be like college

828
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: where you're you know, no one's within five yards of

829
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: you right at some points, like there's always going to

830
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: be somebody in your back pocket and you're gonna have

831
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: to finish through contact. The other guy that I thought

832
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: that that really well today was Arian Smith from Georgia,

833
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: who looked like a Georgia player playing at a college

834
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: showcase game today. You know, I had those moments where

835
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, this is like a you know,

836
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: four or five star recruit out of high school, like

837
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: that type of alpha athlete. Had a great down the

838
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: field in one on ones in the end zone where

839
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: he climbed the ladder and was able to go and

840
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: get the ball. So those types of guys always stand

841
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: out to me in these settings, like I love the

842
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: Tess Johnson's I just talked about him for five minutes.

843
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day at the NFL,

844
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna have Christian Zalez in your back

845
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: pocket and training camp, and the question is, you know,

846
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: can you finish the job at when the ball is

847
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: targeted when you're throwing at the football. And I thought

848
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of that from those.

849
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Guys tight ends. The big story arguments. One of the

850
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: bigger stories of the week has been Elijah Royo, And

851
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: for me coming in, you know, I didn't really know

852
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: what to expect from him. He had a good season

853
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: at Miami, but there's a lot of attention played to Ristrepo.

854
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: Teams are doing, you know, they're blitzing cam Ward or

855
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: spine kim wardon things like that. A lot of his

856
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: production felt like, I don't want to say, a byproduct

857
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: of other people getting attention, but it was all right,

858
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: what does he look like when he is the guy?

859
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Like he was the guy to me. We try not

860
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: to use one on ones too much, but he's a

861
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: guy that I think one on ones are big for

862
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: and he's been excellent. He's just been dominant and he's

863
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna fly up draft boards. But for

864
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: a team that you know, day three developmental tight end,

865
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: if he stays on day three, certainly feels like he

866
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: checks that box.

867
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here. He reminds me a little bit enough as

868
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: Jared Wiley last year from TCU, just like an athletic

869
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: past catching tight end. I'm not sure I see a

870
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: ton of blocking up side there with him. But he's

871
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: gonna be able to run routes and he's gonna be

872
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: able to get open, you know, with that body type

873
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 2: is rare. He's got great straight line speed too.

874
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's yea and all of he's fast.

875
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

876
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: These analytic all these analytic models that they're they're trying

877
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: to pump up here at the Senior Bowl are all

878
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: giving him really high mark so he can really run. Uh.

879
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: You know, some of the one on ones have definitely

880
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: been you know, stick nod like double move type of

881
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: routes and things like that, where you know he's shaking guys.

882
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: But you see that ability, you know, the change of

883
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: direction skill there, and the strength line speed to be

884
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: a productive pass catching tight end potentially. I definitely think

885
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: he's a move like, you know, uh type of tight end.

886
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to put the hand of

887
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: the dirt and have him block very many defensive ends

888
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: or outside linebackers at the next level. But if you're

889
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: looking for that that developmental tight end with some athletic upside,

890
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: with some receiving upside, Arroyo definitely fits that bill. I think,

891
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a lot of really good tight ends.

892
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: The one guy that is hasn't really popped a ton

893
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: of fan in though you know, I thought he would

894
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: be a little bit better.

895
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: He he looks more like a big slot receiver at

896
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: this point.

897
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't done a ton like I think that,

898
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, with the really the entire national roster, the

899
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: early practice for people watching it on tv U, the receivers,

900
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: both tight ends and and wide receivers. You know, the

901
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: pass catchers have just been a lot better on that team.

902
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: I would say, uh, they're just better on paper even,

903
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: but I would you know, Terrence Ferguson from Oregon, I

904
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: think is the guy that stood out as like the

905
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: number two guy behind a Royo and in this tight

906
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: end group here in Mobile. You know, I don't think

907
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: it's been fannin which I don't know, maybe he just

908
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: trust the tape on the guy like that. But when

909
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: he goes when you go to Bowling Green and then

910
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: you come up here, you're playing against yeah, better competition,

911
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: and Ferguson I thought, has done a lot of really

912
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: good things as well. And I think he can maybe

913
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: block a little bit better than the Royo can, but

914
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have the straight line speed and athleticism, but

915
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: he's certainly a good athlete and he's got a lot

916
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: of those same skills. You know, big guy, good catch radius,

917
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: finishes through contact, runs, good routes, you know, clean route runner.

918
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: I like him too. I mean it's a good class.

919
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: It's a good class it is.

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: I like Mason Taylor. I think he's been really good

921
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: if you want that. Just like blocking tight end. I've

922
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of looked at this too. Do they just go

923
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: on Day three and say we want a third tight

924
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: end we can put in on the goal line, put

925
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: in when we want to go heavy. And Jackson Hawes

926
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: from Georgia Tech, he even got a call out today

927
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: when they did those one on ones at the end,

928
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: like it was all offensive lineman and then Jackson Hawes

929
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and I think he lost the rep. But like just

930
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: the fact that the edge rushers, because I think the

931
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: players get to call each other out, right, Like you

932
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: want to go against the lineman. You'd thinked in order

933
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: to set yourself up for the biggest pop. But I

934
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: want to go up against this guy. And I thought

935
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: this was interesting. Here's what you thought of this. Somebody

936
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: on the broadcast today, don't remember who it was. Somebody

937
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: on the broadcast talking about Gavin Bartholomew from pitt and

938
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: called him a Jason Witten starter kit.

939
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, let's calm down.

940
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: He said starter kit. He said starter kit?

941
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: Okay, does that mean?

942
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Like?

943
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

944
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: I assume that means like he has all the tools

945
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: to be Jason Witten, but he needs to be coached

946
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: up into it.

947
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: He has all the tools to be a Hall of

948
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: Fame tight End got it all right.

949
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: So you disagree. I thought it was a little strong.

950
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little it's a little strong. I think

951
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: the three guys that we mentioned that that position have

952
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: been the ones mostly that have popped for me at

953
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: tight End. Ferguson Arroyo, Mason Taylor, who I think has

954
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: been solid from LSU, Gunner Hilm today, I haven't seen

955
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: a ton of Gunner Helm. I don't think he practiced.

956
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Might he might have opted out. I've been trying to

957
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: keep track of ye.

958
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the other bringing stool from cleansing. I

959
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I'm like overlaid into it, but he has

960
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: those three guys Taylor, Arroyo and and Ferguson have been

961
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: the three best tight ends. But when you put that

962
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: on top of you know, the guys that were at

963
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: the Trine, Yeah, obviously Tyler Warren. Like you know, it's

964
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: a really good class. It's a really good class.

965
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: All right. I haven't say something nice about one of

966
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: the running backs or more than one if you want.

967
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: I gotta admit there's been two running backs and you're

968
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: gonna love this. There's been two running backs that I liked.

969
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: I guess that I've been pretty you can. I don't

970
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: know if you'll get it right, but.

971
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: I think one of them has got to be Donovan Edwards. Yeah,

972
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: because of what he's done. There's people are saying, like

973
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: draft him as a slot receiver, which I think is

974
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: a little bit too far, but he's been really good.

975
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: I would love for the other one to be Ollie Gordon,

976
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: but it's not. I'm just gonna guess my favorite receiving

977
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: back there, which is Quinn Allen.

978
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: I know it's not, but yeah, but that's a that's

979
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: a good shout. Like, He's definitely had a decent week.

980
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: I I it wasn't him, So Edwards is definitely one.

981
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Devin Neil from Kansas to the other you like, do you.

982
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: Like a five eleven, two hundred twenty five pound running back.

983
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I would not have seen that.

984
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: Look at look at me, look at me, look at

985
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: the growth right now and pressed Devin. Neil had him

986
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: run today where he had some space, but he was

987
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: one on one with a linebacker and he just went

988
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: right up the sideline around.

989
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what you're talking about. That was good.

990
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I turned it into a really nice run and

991
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, there's some juice there for

992
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: a bigger compact guy. That. That was what I liked

993
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: about Edwards and about Neil the most is that I

994
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: think both those guys are built like NFL running backs,

995
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: like guys that can withstand yeah, some some volume, you know,

996
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: and and be able to tote the rock a little

997
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: bit and and not have to worry about a ton

998
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: of injuries like I think. You know, Marx from USC

999
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: has has been solid as Brishard Smith has had some

1000
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: moments from smu uh, you know, he's been a kay.

1001
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: Marcus Yams from Delaware has had some moments. But those

1002
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: two guys, to me, Neil and Edwards look like they

1003
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: are our dudes that that could really take it and

1004
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: and be a volume ish back or at least being

1005
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: a committee of running backs. And this group hasn't disappointed.

1006
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's a great running back class. Uh, and

1007
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: it hasn't disappointed. I think all these guys have had

1008
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: their moments for the most part. But I really like Edwards.

1009
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: I think Edwards is h is a really nice player. Uh,

1010
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: probably a complimentary back to you know, in the platoon

1011
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: or something like that. But you know, there's some really

1012
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: good running backs that have been here in the last

1013
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: couple of years, and he's one of those guys.

1014
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: Well, if they're gonna go back to that early down,

1015
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: passing down back dynamic, right, I think you mentioned what

1016
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: he marks the Quinn Allen if we're gonna do the

1017
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: whole next James White thing, those are guys that kind

1018
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: of profile that way. Donovan Edwards is like, stick with

1019
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: me for this comparison. He's kind of like a souped

1020
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: up Rex Burkhead. And what I mean by that is

1021
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: rexor rex Burkehead could go. He was one of the

1022
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: few guys that could go back and forth. He could

1023
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: play an early down role, he could be a receiving

1024
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: down role. And you know, if you're gonna draft Donovan Edwards,

1025
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't he could bat like so the way they

1026
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: haven't set up now right, Ramondre is probably gonna be

1027
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: the early down back, and you figure Antonio Gibson is

1028
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: going to be your passing down back, and then if

1029
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: you were to draft on of An Edwards, he can

1030
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: be the backup for both, whereas if not, you need

1031
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: to get a backup for each spot. So I like

1032
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: Edwards in that role, but I'm looking at some of

1033
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: the early down guys too. I still can't quit Olie

1034
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: Gordon Evan. He was just so good in twenty twenty three,

1035
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: and I think there were forces outside of his control

1036
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: that led to the depth he had this season. He

1037
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: he looks like an edge rusher. He looks like he

1038
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: should be lining up and rushing off the edge. He's massive,

1039
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, we know Mike Rabel has now He's not

1040
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: Derek Henry, He's not two hundred and sixty pounds with

1041
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: all the muscle. But we know Mike Rabel has experienced

1042
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: with kind of those oversized running backs. And I just

1043
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: I think somebody's gonna get a steal because Ollie Gordon

1044
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: with this class is gonna fall to day three and

1045
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get an absolute steal with him and you

1046
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: know him platooning with Ramandra Stevenson in that early down role,

1047
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: I think would be electric before we wrap up the offense.

1048
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: Unless you have any other thoughts on the running backs.

1049
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: No, I think I've done enough on running back.

1050
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: Right well, no, now we're gonna do it. Now, we're

1051
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: gonna do the one you really want to talk about,

1052
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: which is quarterbacks. To one big quarterback takeaway for me

1053
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: and I said, going in for Patriots fans, what you're

1054
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: watching at quarterback is does anybody have that ride? Does

1055
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: anybody have that push up the board? You know, Will

1056
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: Howard didn't end up going, which I get, so you know,

1057
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: is it Jalen Millrow, is it Jackson Dart? Was somebody

1058
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: gonna push their way up the board, maybe into the

1059
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: top ten, change the value of that fourth overall pick. No, No,

1060
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: that's that has not happened to this point. It has

1061
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: been a rough couple of days for the quarterbacks. Although

1062
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: my guy el Gerzma is hanging in there. He's made

1063
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: a couple of throws.

1064
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: So I this this quarterback group. I'm sorry. I don't

1065
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: like to say this about players because I try to

1066
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: be nicer. But this quarterback group has been awful.

1067
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: It's been real, it's been awful, and some.

1068
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: Of it, you know, I get it. I didn't think

1069
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: that Michael Pennix or Boon Nicks was awesome down here

1070
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: last year either, because it's you never worked with these receivers.

1071
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: You're in these like abbreviated offenses that you're learning on

1072
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: the fly. The timing, the rhythm of the passing game

1073
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: is there's no way it's gonna be there. There's just

1074
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: no way. But that being said, Joe Milton was better

1075
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: last year down here. And I don't say that as

1076
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: like a knock on our boy Joe Milton. I'm just

1077
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: saying like that he would have been the best quarterback

1078
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: in Mobile this year based off his practice performance last year, Right,

1079
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: Like that makes any sense? Uh, It's just been really

1080
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 2: really rough for the entire Like, I can't really think

1081
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: of one notable throw. I think Riley Leonard has probably

1082
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 2: been the best, which is not saying much.

1083
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Okay, your boy, you're give me give me one

1084
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: thing cause I'm not there, Like I can't watch everything.

1085
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Give me one thing on him.

1086
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: He made a really nice throw rolling right on the

1087
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: sideline that you texted me about when it happened because

1088
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: they were so excited and that that was a really nice.

1089
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Because I know you're not watching him, so I to

1090
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: make sure you notice it.

1091
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroth throws a really nice ball like he can

1092
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: really rip it but doesn't know where it's going, and

1093
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: it's not he can rip it, but he's not Joe

1094
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: Milton rip it right like it's not Zuka. It's it's

1095
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 2: a good arm though he's got he's got plus arm talent,

1096
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. And when he has no

1097
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: pass rush and he's just throwing one on ones, Jackson

1098
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: Dart's the best, the best pass like if you do

1099
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: if you took away the pass rush and he took

1100
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: away the part of the that he has to read

1101
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: the field and go through progressions and all that kind

1102
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: of stuff and you just have him throw go balls

1103
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: one on one, then Jackson Dart can can sling it right,

1104
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 2: he can, he can twirl it, but he's he's got

1105
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: no all the other elements of the game or lost

1106
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: on and.

1107
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: That's that's all the ole miss offenses. Go balls. So

1108
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: as these guys get ready for their NFL shot. I

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Speaker 1: these guys are to.

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Speaker 2: Have our listener's grade. Are our read skills?

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Speaker 1: You don't want You don't want that answer I've seen

1124
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: in the comments. You don't want that answer unless you

1125
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: want to be done with the responsibility of it. You

1126
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: don't want that answer in the chat. Who's better at

1127
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the Adreids? Uh? Before we get to the defense, Patty

1128
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: and Sean Havevan hanging on for a while. I gotta

1129
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: remember how to take these calls. It's the one all

1130
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: the way on the left, right, Matt. I don't want

1131
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: to hang up on these people. They've been on on

1132
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: on long enough. But this says air air okay, so

1133
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm on. I can't read that from here. The text

1134
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: is tiny and I'm even wear my glasses on the show.

1135
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm better at the area. But Evan's better

1136
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: at answering the phones. That's undoubtable. Patty and Ago on,

1137
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: what's up? Patty?

1138
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:01,959
Speaker 2: What's up? Guys?

1139
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: Than you doing good? Hey, Evan, Alex told you months

1140
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: ago to take a look at are at the nursery,

1141
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: and now you're you're getting a front row speed you know. Yeah,

1142
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: that's awesome. He's one of the guys that intrigues me.

1143
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: But you guys kind of hit the kind of hit

1144
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: what I wanted to ask you guys about, which is

1145
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: like I want to We're obviously not going to get

1146
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 3: one of the top two tight ends off the board,

1147
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: but I wanted I want to just you know, you

1148
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 3: went over Elijah Royo, but also I wanted to ask

1149
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 3: you about Mason Taylor, which is thought of him? And

1150
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: do you think he would be a good fit here?

1151
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 3: And I had another question, but damn it, I can't

1152
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 3: remember it. But that's it. I'll take it off their guys.

1153
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: We'll get in next week thanks to the call, Patty Evan.

1154
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Any anything more on Mason Taylor. We did kind of

1155
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: just glide by him. He's looking like a top one

1156
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: hundred picks, so that still maybe a little high for

1157
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots at tight end, but if they really like him,

1158
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, it could make some sense, especially if Austin

1159
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Hooper leaves in free agency suddenly, that that pick makes

1160
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot more sense. Mason Taylor at maybe like seventy seven.

1161
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: Your your thoughts on him? Also, just seeing Jason Taylor

1162
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: there talking about him made me feel old and I

1163
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: hated that.

1164
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh god, he didn't even put that connections.

1165
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor's son.

1166
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: Oh my good Yes, okay, I know that hurts, right,

1167
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: that hurts. That makes me a little bit queasy. Yeah. No,

1168
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: he he had a really good day today, a really

1169
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: good day today. Catches everything really really good. You know,

1170
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: tough guy over the middle can separate a little bit,

1171
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: kind of is a little bit. He's cheeky about it, right,

1172
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: Like he he pushes off, but he doesn't push off,

1173
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, he kind of uses his body to box

1174
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: out and make that a little bit of separation at

1175
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: the top of the route without getting penal eyed for it.

1176
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: There are refs here throwing flags, so.

1177
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: Like, oh, they're they're throwing those flags all right, yeah.

1178
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are lots of flags. So yeah, no,

1179
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: I like what I saw to him. I would like

1180
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: to see if he plays, assuming you will while playing

1181
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: the game, maybe I can really watch that more closely

1182
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: on the tape and see his blocking. But in terms

1183
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: of the receiving, there's something there. I think there's some

1184
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: upside and it makes sense. You know, Dave was really

1185
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: athletic guy that he's a pretty athletic pass catcher, So

1186
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, when you look at this class,

1187
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: it can go one of two ways, saying with the

1188
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: running backs, like, either there's like an insane run in

1189
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: the top one hundred on all these tight ends and

1190
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: they all get drafted high, or you know, the depth

1191
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: of the class pushes some guys down. I guess it

1192
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: depends on which way it goes.

1193
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: Sean in Vancouver has been hanging on, Sean, what's going on?

1194
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I want to talk about the coaching. I've

1195
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 4: been looking at some of the coaching and listening to

1196
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: some people talk about some of the offensive coaches have

1197
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: a bit of a West Coast background, and I'm wondering

1198
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: about the schemes. I'm wondering if Josh mccannel's will we'll

1199
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 4: stick to more of the gap downhill run schemes with

1200
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 4: the Marriswell play action, or is it gonna mix in

1201
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 4: more of the zone blocking that we've seen in the

1202
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: past couple of years, which I think was kind of

1203
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: a miss on a scheme fit, Like I don't think

1204
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: the players really were able to execute that as well.

1205
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 4: So I'll leave you for that answer.

1206
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Thanks, Sean. Evan, what do you think on that? And

1207
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: also just your reaction to any of the recent coaching

1208
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: hires or guys that are reported moving on.

1209
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question. I think. What's where I

1210
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: come at it with this West Coast thing is I

1211
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: feel like the West Coast offense you have to talk

1212
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: about the two branches, and we've talked a little bit

1213
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: about this on the show already, but you have like

1214
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: the Shanahan Tree right, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Matt Lafore.

1215
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: You have that side of the branch, which is under center,

1216
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: outside zone, moving pockets, bootlegs, you know, shots down the field,

1217
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: off play action like that. That side of it that

1218
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: that dresses that all up with motion and all that

1219
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then there's the other side of it,

1220
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: which is more like Dandy Reid, Doug Peterson, Frank Reich

1221
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: version of the West Coast offense that really is more

1222
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: of like a spread offense, like it's you know, I

1223
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: think Lombardi likes to call it West Coast College right,

1224
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: like it's a West Coast boot roots. Mike Holmgren likes

1225
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: all of this goes back to Bill Walsh, like it's

1226
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: that side of it, but it's got a lot of

1227
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: spread elements where the quarterback is in shotgun and they're

1228
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: running gun run and they're running RPO and they're running

1229
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: motion off that and all that kind of stuff. So

1230
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: a guy like Thomas Brown, who is just reportedly right

1231
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: now a Patriots higher not official, but a guy like

1232
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: Thomas Brown has done both. He was obviously with the

1233
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: Rams for a little while with Sean McVay worked a

1234
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: couple different positions. There was the assistant head coach at

1235
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: one point for the Rams, but he's also worked with

1236
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: Frank Reich in Carolina, uh and you know has done

1237
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: that side of the of the tree as well. So

1238
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: are they bringing in a guy like Thomas Brown who's

1239
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: supposedly gonna have the pass game coordinator title. Are they

1240
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: bringing in that guy to be to Shanahana the offense

1241
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: or are they bringing that guy into Andy Reid the

1242
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: offense right again, that's gonna be the big question. My guess,

1243
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: just based off of Drake May is that they're bringing

1244
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 2: him in to Andy Reid the offense, and they want

1245
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: to build something that looks a little bit more like

1246
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: what we see in Kansas City what we see in

1247
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: Philadelphia with the quarterback and the shotgun and a lot

1248
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: of that early down option stuff that those teams do.

1249
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if you people notice, but in the

1250
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: AFC Championship game last week, the entire opening script from

1251
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 2: Kansas City was RPO like right down the field.

1252
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it was like nine of the first twelve

1253
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 1: plays something like that.

1254
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just rp O them to death zone team

1255
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: and you expect in Buffalo you're gonna play a lot

1256
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: of zone coverages and let's just mess with the linebackers,

1257
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: right and you know, play with their eyes. That that

1258
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: was their entire plan to open the AFC Championship game.

1259
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: So that's where I would go. I hope was where

1260
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna go because Drake, you know, Drake May is

1261
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: to me is at his best as a gun quarterback,

1262
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily want to live with him under

1263
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: center like McDaniels has done in the past, or like

1264
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: that that side of the tree does. But I think

1265
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: we're too quick and I'm not saying Sean, but just

1266
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: in general, I think we're too quick right now to

1267
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: label all West Coast as Shanahan right, like all of

1268
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: it is outside zone, under center, bootlegs, things like that,

1269
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: when there's this whole other branch of the West Coast

1270
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 2: with Andy Reid and with Doug Peterson and Frank Reig.

1271
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm hoping for. But we'll see, We'll

1272
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: see what they end up doing. I talked to Brabel

1273
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: yesterday the pieces up on Patriots dot Com to want

1274
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: to read it, and he hammered that that there's gonna

1275
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: be this is not going to be the Tom Brady offense.

1276
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, there's gonna be differences. There's gonna be I

1277
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: think he called new innovations, you know, to this scheme.

1278
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: And one of the things that really encouraged me about

1279
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: that interview and about what he said about McDaniels is

1280
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: that he went into the interview process and they discussed

1281
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: all these things in depth about Okay, this is what

1282
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: you're he called it your history, right like, this is

1283
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: what you've done in the past, schematically, this is where

1284
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: we want to go, and you know, how are you

1285
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: going to get us there? And he point blank said

1286
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: this quarterback is different from other quarterbacks that they've had here.

1287
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: You know, this is not Mac Jones, right like, this

1288
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: is a different type of quarterback and they want to

1289
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: do different things with Drake May than maybe what Josh

1290
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: McDaniels did with Brady or Mac or Derek Carr or whatever.

1291
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged by a lot of things that they

1292
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 2: that Rabel had to say about Josh. I think their

1293
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: head is in the right place in terms of trying

1294
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: to change this offense and update it a little bit.

1295
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: And I think just to the Color's point, specifically, when

1296
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, how's that going to work

1297
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: with gappern Zone Run. Like Thomas Brown, the Reporter is

1298
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: pass game courting, right, So maybe more of that stuff's

1299
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: in the past game than in the run game. And

1300
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: obviously it's got to be married together. You can't be

1301
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: running Gap Run and then all your play actions built

1302
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: off Zone. But you know, maybe the idea is to

1303
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of try to blend those two things together whatever

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the Senior Bowl defense.

1314
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: Let's just start up front, because it's there's been a

1315
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: lot of overlap UH defensive tackles, defensive ends outside linebackers.

1316
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: Who from that group has has wowed you the most?

1317
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: Who has?

1318
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: That's a good answer.

1319
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: This is what a group like, what a what a

1320
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: fun group to watch? I just think that there's across

1321
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: the board this group has just been outstanding. Like if

1322
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: we just start with the Interier defensive line Peebles from

1323
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Darius Alexander, your boy Dion Walker, I think

1324
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: all those guys have been good. Cam Jackson from Florida

1325
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: had a nice day today. Walter Nolan got hurt. It's

1326
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: i think during practice today, so they didn't practice, but

1327
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: it was was decent yesterday. If you want to look

1328
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: at Interier guys and one of the things that fascinates

1329
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: me about how you know, we move forward here. I

1330
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: wrote a little bit about this earlier in the week

1331
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: before I came down here, about you know, the four

1332
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: to three defense and the Patriots being a little bit

1333
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: more one gap, you know, single gap up the field,

1334
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, trying to make more plays behind the line

1335
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and be more aggressive. I think this group

1336
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: had even though you know Dion Walker is certainly the opposite, Like,

1337
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: this group had a lot of those types of guys

1338
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: you know if you wanted that type of player. I

1339
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: think that Alexander Peebles, Walter Nolan, I think all three

1340
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: of those guys fit that mold of like let's shoot gaps,

1341
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: let's get up the field, let's make plays behind the

1342
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, And all three of those guys looked

1343
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: really good.

1344
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that interior group, especially I'll just

1345
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: say on Walker, because I spent a lot of time

1346
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: last week hyping him up. I think you've more or

1347
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: less gotten the full picture with him, and you see

1348
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: why he's so hyped, but why he's not a first

1349
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: round pick, and why those concerns are there. He has

1350
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: all the physical tools in the world, but using them correctly,

1351
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: using them consistently, Like he still gets beat at times

1352
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,959
Speaker 1: by players who really don't expect him to get beat

1353
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: by the guy that's really impressed me. So if we're

1354
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: gonna do again the draft heres thing, Mason Graham is

1355
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: your first round this aggressive penetrating interior alignment. Dion Walker

1356
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: is the day two guy. Cam Jackson from is probably

1357
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: the day three guy in that regard. Sixty six then

1358
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: came into three P. Fifty three if I remember correctly,

1359
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: and he's been awesome. He's been great. And his explosiveness

1360
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: and quickness, his ability to win initially and then quick

1361
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: movements with his hands and feet to you know, turn

1362
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: what might be an early edge into a full on

1363
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: dominant win really stands out for a guy his size.

1364
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: He's not just out there bullying people. He can do it.

1365
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: We've seen him do it. It's in his bag. But his toolbox,

1366
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: at least from what I've seen this week, is a

1367
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: lot more developed than what I was expecting from him.

1368
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dion Walker, I mean he plays a little high,

1369
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: like his paths definitely get up. I know that's been

1370
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: a criticism for him across the board, and you can

1371
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: see that and that probably SAPs some of his power

1372
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: that should be there at his size that isn't always

1373
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 2: there consistently. But he had a running team drills today

1374
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: where like three four plays in a row he was

1375
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: just wrecking stuff, you know, like he was just in

1376
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: the backfield and making things happen. And then he's so

1377
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 2: strong and in his upper body that when he gets

1378
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: extended and he starts walking guards and centers back into

1379
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: the line, uh, you know, back into the pocket, it's

1380
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: it's over. Right, you know, you're on, You're on, You're

1381
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: on the tracks like it's done. Uh yeah, I thought

1382
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: Cam Jackson was really good today too, in a similar mold.

1383
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: But all these guys on the interior, I think I've

1384
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: had their moments for the most part. Uh you know,

1385
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: just looking at the group and it's it's really impressive.

1386
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 2: And I thought, especially during the American practice, but there

1387
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: was not a lot. There wasn't really a pocket and

1388
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: there was not a lot of running room on the

1389
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: interior for the American offense against the American defense. So

1390
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see because I think the national offense

1391
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: has better offensive linemen than the American the group does.

1392
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: Uh So in the game on Saturday, I'm interested to

1393
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: see it that carries over. If connorly plays, a Versary

1394
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: plays a Belton plays on the National sides able, you know,

1395
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: do they still control the line of scrimmage like they

1396
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: did in practice because the American group just dominated the

1397
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: defensive line.

1398
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: How about the stand up guys? I know as Iraku

1399
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: is so many people around here, like Princelyalimian, maybe I'm

1400
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna work on that. I'll have that down by the combine.

1401
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: He's been unreal to watch because he's so big and

1402
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: so physically dominating. All the old miss guys have been

1403
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: pretty good on the edge, I'd say as well anybody

1404
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: from that group.

1405
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: So Mike Grad's been was the best player on the

1406
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: field today I thought for either either team. Really, he

1407
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: was great. From Marshall fringe first round guy. Probably if

1408
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: he has this is sort of it, you know, if

1409
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: this is his last sort of pitch to NFL teams

1410
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 2: until the combine, I think he's probably a first round pick.

1411
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: I think he's kind of locked that up to this week.

1412
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: Just been fantastic. I personally, I like what I've seen

1413
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: from from Azeruku from Boston College, Like I think there's

1414
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: something there. I know, you know, we kind of get

1415
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh he went to BC, you know that's interesting. But

1416
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: the guy that's really stood out to me is Josia

1417
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: Stewart from Michigan. I just the way that he plays,

1418
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: the first step quickness, the way he gets off the line.

1419
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 2: And we're always with these Michigan guys. They're always really

1420
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: good hand fighters, and they're really well versed in their

1421
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: pass rush repertoire already because they basically run a pro

1422
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 2: system down there in Michigan. So you know, all these

1423
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: guys that from Michigan tend to come into the league

1424
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: really polished with their technique as pass rushers and have

1425
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 2: multiple moves. And I think that Josiah Stewart is another

1426
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: one of those guys that has that. And I just

1427
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: looked it up quickly yesterday. It's not a perfect size

1428
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 2: measurables kind of comparison, but the knock on him is length.

1429
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 2: Like he's not overly tall or overly long, but he

1430
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: does have some of the same measurements as like Harold

1431
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: Blandry if you want to come up with like a

1432
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: Vrabel comp. Right, So that's the guy that I think

1433
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: you know could be on their rail on this type

1434
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 2: of system.

1435
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: Is the Joshua comp lazy because he played that same

1436
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: role in Michigan's defense.

1437
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily lazy. I think there's

1438
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: some of the same concerns in terms of his run

1439
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: defense and and this week is definitely a really heavy

1440
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: on rushing the passer versus stopping the run in these practices,

1441
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: So you don't see a ton of that. I think

1442
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: you can see that because he doesn't have no length, right,

1443
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: So he's not going to be able to set the

1444
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: edge and do all that kind of stuff. That's what

1445
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: you're they're still looking for, and he's not their guy.

1446
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: Like if they're still looking for Anthony Jennings types, you know,

1447
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 2: like that type of mold, he's not for them. But

1448
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: if you're looking for somebody to rush the passer, I

1449
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: think he is for you. Uh. He hasn't been consistent,

1450
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 2: but uh, femi Ola deeo, I'm gonna say that, that's

1451
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: how you say it from U c LA.

1452
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: You know.

1453
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: The one thing that talking to count and especially this

1454
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 2: week for the piece. Uh he he mentioned effort in finish.

1455
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: We're like the two big sort of cliche type things

1456
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 2: that they look for, right not we're not talking skill

1457
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: sets and all the details and right now just effort

1458
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: and finish. Those two things were really big for them.

1459
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: And that guy has been motor hot the entire week. Right.

1460
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: You just see that type of ability. It's not always

1461
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: been consistent, he's been he's been stymied a few times,

1462
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: but I think that he's been really a high effort,

1463
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: high motor, intense competitor type. And then the kids from

1464
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: Texas has been good too. Currell Baron Currell. I think

1465
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: he's similar. He had that Emery Jones showdown at the

1466
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: end of practice today, which was cool. They went, Yeah,

1467
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: they went three straight reps in a row because they

1468
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: they went the first rep and it was a stalemate,

1469
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: like Cerell beat him initially, and then Emery Jones actually

1470
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: recovered really well, really well. Then it seemed like, you know,

1471
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: they went the second rep that I think Emery Jones won.

1472
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: I think Crell said, I want another one. They wanted

1473
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: they wanted a time. Yeah, they they went again and

1474
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: uh and I think Emery Jones beat him. But Sorell

1475
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: was was good for the another one of those like

1476
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: in the type of mold right, like he a little

1477
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: bit more undersized, a little bit of a screamer off

1478
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: the edge. But Shamier Stewart, that guy's a dude. He's

1479
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 2: gonna be a first round pick. I would assume. H.

1480
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: Kyle Canards has been okay in moments, he's flashing moments.

1481
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: Just a great group, just a deep, deep group of

1482
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: edge rushers, you know, throughout this draft, as everybody anticipated,

1483
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 2: and I think it's lived up to the bill.

1484
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: Do you see Canard as one of those patriots like

1485
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: fits I did.

1486
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 2: And it's an interesting spot, right, Like, if they don't

1487
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: go edge in round one, it's not ab dual Carter

1488
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: in the first round. Is Canard in play thirty eight?

1489
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: I would say he probably is in play at thirty eight.

1490
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 2: He's he's a twitched up guy, like he's not. He's

1491
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna again. It comes down to if they're going

1492
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: away from this Belichick stuff of you know, too gap

1493
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: and hold the point of attack and set the edge

1494
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: and be disciplined and stay in your rush lanes and all.

1495
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: If that's if they're going to allow guys to kind

1496
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: of color outside the lines a little bit more to

1497
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 2: try to make more plays that I think Canard fits.

1498
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: I don't think he fits if he's gonna if they're

1499
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: gonna run sort of the old style of defense.

1500
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: Well, if they are going to go to that more

1501
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 1: aggressive defense, they need to get smaller and more athletic.

1502
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: Not I shouldn't say smaller, they need to get quicker

1503
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: and more athletic a linebacker. So that's a you know,

1504
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that it. Linebacker is one

1505
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: of the stronger positions the Senior Bowl overall. But I

1506
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: will say if you're a team that's looking for that

1507
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of three down coverage east to west linebacker that

1508
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: seems to be who most of these guys are, you

1509
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: know coming into the week. I like Demetrius Knight, another

1510
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 1: South Carolina guy. I think a guy that he's big

1511
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: for a guy that can move. He moves at two

1512
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: forty seven, so you kind of get the best of

1513
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: both worlds. Nick Martin from Oklahoma State, a guy that

1514
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: missed a lot of time last year due to injury.

1515
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't seen a lot of the

1516
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: off ball linebackers because they're not really doing the rush trails.

1517
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: But we haven't seen them a ton of one on ones.

1518
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: And again there's not a ton of run defense. It's

1519
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: really just the team stuff. Who stood out to you

1520
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: from from linebacker?

1521
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Night's a good a good one. Shamar James from

1522
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: Florida and Eugena Sante. Those two guys, by.

1523
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: The way, Eugena Sante is such a like he should

1524
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: be playing safety if he comes here or defense comes

1525
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 1: in right. Eugena Santa.

1526
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, both those guys have stood out a little bit

1527
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: just because of their versatility, like I've seen them.

1528
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Do a lot.

1529
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of coverage and you know, play off

1530
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: the ball against the run. What's what's Jack Kaiser's deal

1531
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame. Here's another guy that I thought really

1532
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 2: played the run very very well, like not the most athletic,

1533
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: but very very good in terms of like reading his

1534
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: keys and playing laterally to the line of scrimmage and

1535
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: you know, kind of mirroring guys and squaring running backs

1536
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: up and things like that. I thought it was interesting,

1537
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: you know, him and and rj Oben who had some

1538
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 2: moments to the Notre Dame edge rusher. Like, both those

1539
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: guys still coming here, I thought was interesting. I know

1540
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: Ryley Leonard's here too, but he's a quarterback and he's

1541
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: wearing the red jersey and all that stuff. But both

1542
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 2: those guys just played in the National Championship game like

1543
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: a week ago, but nine days ago, and uh, and

1544
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: they're here right. So that tells me something like that,

1545
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: those are contact positions. They're coming here to hit people,

1546
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: They're coming here to be physical and to do all

1547
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: those types of things. A lot of the of those

1548
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: guys dropped dropped out, you know, the Ohio State guys

1549
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame guys, Penn State guys, like the lot

1550
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: those guys dropped out for And I'm not pulling it

1551
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: against them, but I do kind of think it's cool

1552
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: that that some of them did show up. You know,

1553
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: open And and Kaiser were two guys that fit that

1554
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: out of you just looking for and I don't I

1555
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: don't know if they're necessarily these guys through and through,

1556
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: but if you're looking for guys effort, finish, you know,

1557
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 2: just football players, right like I D tells you something

1558
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: that they still came even though they were just playing

1559
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: a game nine days ago.

1560
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: Anybody else up front?

1561
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: Uh no, I think we named all the guys that

1562
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: sit out.

1563
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: Did you say Tim Smith earlier? I thought he had

1564
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: a good day today.

1565
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, had had a good day today. Made some

1566
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: plays in the run game today. I thought we're pretty good.

1567
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: Him and Cam Jackson kind of tandemed a couple of

1568
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: of periods today. Uh Dion Walker like at that one

1569
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: flurry of plays and I think he shut it down

1570
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 2: a little bit and was like, yeah, all right, I

1571
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: did my thing. I'm good. Uh So, yeah, those two

1572
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: guys had a good day today.

1573
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: At a corner, the guy I've been really interested in

1574
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: all week, he had a really good day yesterday, he

1575
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: was okay. Today took a little bit of a step back,

1576
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: but I thought he was solid. Is balal Cone from

1577
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: Western Michigan. Now, last year we saw Matt Corner come

1578
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: to this event and have a great week, and it

1579
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: was Quinny and Mitchell and obviously right door it up. Now,

1580
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think ballalll Cohnes, Quinyan Mitchell is probably gonna

1581
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 1: be a Day three pick, But for what the Patriots

1582
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: need a corner, Like you're looking for somebody to play

1583
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: opposite Christian Zalez, ideally somebody with some size because they

1584
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: have a really small room. Cohen is his experience in

1585
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: man in his own he can play physically, and I

1586
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: think he's done a good job for the most part

1587
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: sticking with these powerful receivers, which is kind of what

1588
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: you want to see from him this week.

1589
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you know, last year was my

1590
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 2: first Senior Bowl being here and Quinnon Mitchell just was

1591
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 2: far and away the best player here last year. And

1592
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 2: then he goes and gets drapped in the first round

1593
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: and has like a rookie of defensive Rookie of the

1594
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: Year type season for the Eels. Right, So you know,

1595
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: that that's always stands out about those types of guys

1596
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: that you just mentioning that I thought Cohan was good,

1597
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 2: and I thought Quincy Riley from Louisville was really good today.

1598
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: I think those two guys if you're looking exactly for

1599
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: what you described, and then I also have really been

1600
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: impressed by Mac McWilliams from UCF, Like I think those

1601
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: three guys have covered really well. If you're they're still

1602
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: gonna be man to man, you know, press man, sticky

1603
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 2: guys on the outside. I think all three of those

1604
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: guys have really competed. McWilliams had an awesome rep yesterday

1605
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: in one on ones and basically ran the route for

1606
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: the receiver and picked it up. Had another good rep today.

1607
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: He's an picy guy. He's you can he lets you

1608
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: know about it right like he beats you and then

1609
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: he tells you about it afterwards. I always like those

1610
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: types of guys at corner, especially opposite not you know,

1611
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: obviously Christian Zalez, second team All Pro, fantastic player, but

1612
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: opposite a guy like Gonzalez, it would be the worst

1613
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 2: thing in the world to have a little bark on

1614
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: the other side, right, have somebody that's in people's ears.

1615
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: But I thought all three of those guys and Tom

1616
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: Is from Florida State didn't do as well today, but

1617
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: I thought he was okay yesterday.

1618
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: So that's gonna have about the guys. So those are

1619
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: more depth guys that we just named. The top corners

1620
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: are Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky, Asray Thomas from Florida State,

1621
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: Terry and Porter. You know I love like the super

1622
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: long corners, right Darian Porter from Iowa State. This is

1623
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: we're just gonna do juju. Brent's all over again. Who

1624
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I really liked that year. Any of those guys, like

1625
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: the top of the draft guys stand out is you know,

1626
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: if the Patriots really want to get aggressive and build

1627
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: that cornerback tand of not obviously it for it's Will

1628
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: Johnson and guys that aren't here, but you know, at

1629
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: thirty eight, a guy like Maxwell Harrison or Azrie Thomas.

1630
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: I know Trey Amos got hurt today, but he would

1631
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: also kind of be in that group if any of

1632
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: those guys think maybe justify the Patriots going up and

1633
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: really getting aggressive at corner.

1634
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: I thought Azray Thomas had a really good first day.

1635
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 2: I wrote about him yesterday and my retap of the day,

1636
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good yesterday. Wasn't as great today,

1637
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: but you can definitely see cover skills there and the

1638
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: ability to play man to man and Maxwell Harriston had

1639
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: like a couple of flashes, right. I don't know if

1640
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: it was necessarily super consistent, but he had a couple

1641
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: coverage reps where you're just like, all right, well that

1642
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: guy was going nowhere, right, you know, I just strapped him.

1643
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: So they both have some coverage ability. There's no doubt

1644
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: about data. But I would say, I'm telling you, I

1645
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: like to make Williams right. I don't know. There's something

1646
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: about the attitude that I liked it. I like guys

1647
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 2: that come here and compete, you know. I think there's

1648
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys that come here and

1649
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 2: it's you know about the interviews, it's about the exposure,

1650
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: it's about all that of those elements. And there's other

1651
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: guys that come in here to prove a point, that

1652
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: come in here to make some money. And I thought

1653
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: Williams did that.

1654
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: He's been good. He's he's been really he's along the

1655
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: smaller side, right, is he boundary corner?

1656
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: I think he's got the length if I remember correctly

1657
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: the look this up yesterday. I think he's got the

1658
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 2: length to play on the outside. But he's not He's

1659
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: not super big, no, you know five yeah, you know,

1660
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: on the smaller side certainly, so you know, we'll see.

1661
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think that.

1662
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not anti him. I would just like it's not like, oh,

1663
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: he's too small to take him off the board. They

1664
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: need multiple corners, but I do want to see them

1665
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: add size at that position.

1666
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, maybe it's because of the the GW that

1667
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: made me think of Jack Jones, But okay, he's got

1668
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: he's got a little bit of Jack, like you know,

1669
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 2: Jack Jones, a lighter guy like this is not a

1670
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: super big corner. You're just looking it up. He's five

1671
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 2: ten seventy at the combine Jack Jones was and and

1672
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: Mac McWilliams is five.

1673
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take five, like the five eight guys

1674
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: on the boundary having to cover like t Higgins and

1675
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: Devanta Adams. It's more just like getting away from that.

1676
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: But they do.

1677
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 2: If you want the if you want the big guy,

1678
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: then but Billy L. Cohen has been the best, you know,

1679
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: he's been the best in my opinion.

1680
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, there might be some guys

1681
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: in the safety room that can help them out. So

1682
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm as we transition to safeties, I really want to

1683
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: see Andrew mccooble because you know, I've been on this

1684
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: campaign that they need to get another true free safety

1685
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: in here to replace Devin McCarty, allow Kyle Dugger, allow

1686
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: Jabill Peppers to play in the box, do what they

1687
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: do best, and it's the rotation and playing. Solving that

1688
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: problem by playing guys out of position, I think has

1689
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: been proven to not work, at least with the personnel

1690
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: they've had. They can maybe try again with another strong safety,

1691
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: but at this point, just go get a guy. And

1692
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of these guys in the draft

1693
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: because the way colleges play. I think mccooba can be

1694
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: a true free safety. Maybe he's not a guy you're

1695
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: gonna put single high seventy eighty percent of the time

1696
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: the way you did with Devin mccordy, but he can

1697
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: do it enough that I think he'd give that to you.

1698
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: Now he's not there, so I go down to like

1699
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: the next level guy that can maybe do that, and

1700
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: Billy Bowman from Oklahoma is an interesting player because he's

1701
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of a tweener, but he's not a tweener. They

1702
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of tweener box safety free safeties. He's

1703
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: more of a tweener free safety slot corner, and they

1704
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: need that depth behind Marcus Jones, especially if Jonathan Jones

1705
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: doesn't come back. He's depending free agent, So get guy

1706
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: like Billy Bowman on day three who can give you

1707
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: some true back end reps and also give you depth

1708
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: in the slot. He's another guy too, to your point,

1709
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: that I think has shown up and competed. You've seen

1710
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: the effort, You've seen the compete level with him. He

1711
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: had a really nice pass break up the other day

1712
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: on like a deep It was a deep flag where

1713
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: he initially got beat and just showed unbelievable recovery. So

1714
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: I really liked him. I don't know how many other

1715
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: safeties have stood out to me, but I think Bowmen's

1716
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: been really good and definitely guy that should be on

1717
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots radar.

1718
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's been good, and I think you see

1719
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 2: him a little bit in that post safety role too,

1720
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: being able to help over the top in terms of leverage, right,

1721
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Like you, lot of these guys you know, are using

1722
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: him as a as a leverage defender and to play

1723
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: on the outside and take away the go routes and

1724
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: the quarners and things like that because they know they

1725
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: have post safety help and he's been there a couple

1726
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: of times. Then I've seen obviously these passing games are

1727
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: not attacking the deep part of the field the time

1728
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: because there's no rhythm to it and the quarterback steak,

1729
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 2: so that that's a big part of it. But I

1730
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: thought Billy Bowman's been pretty good, and I think Dante

1731
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 2: Trader from Maryland has been probably the best of like

1732
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: the Patriot box safety types, right, you know, if you're

1733
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: looking for in this this group at least, you know,

1734
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: for that type of player not as big, you know,

1735
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 2: he's not as built as like a Kyle Duggar or

1736
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 2: Marte Mapu or someone like that. He's only you know,

1737
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: five eleven, two hundred pounds, but he's really covered tight

1738
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 2: ends very very well all week. And you know, with safety,

1739
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: the Titans obviously had Kevin Byern for a very long time.

1740
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: You know, he was sort of a Devin mccordy for

1741
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: them playing post safety. But they also drafted, like I've

1742
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: always loved him as a player. Monti Hooker like that

1743
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: type of guy that is like what you're talking about

1744
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: with bowman rights. He can play slot, he can play safety,

1745
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: and I do wonder if that role evolves to more

1746
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: of that type of player. I'm like an the Moni

1747
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: Hooker who's kind of a someone that can do a

1748
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 2: little bit of both and uh and play that way,

1749
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: and I I like bowmen for that role.

1750
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: Uh. So they haven't shown again. I'm I'm I'm back

1751
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: here in Boston. So I'm i'm uh. You know, at

1752
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: the mercy of the TV broadcast, they haven't shown really

1753
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: any special teams. They did show a little bit of

1754
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: punting today. Jeremy Crenshaw was good. The Patriots don't need

1755
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: a punter. I don't know if either these kickers or

1756
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: Patriots fits if they're gonna stick to kind of what

1757
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: they've done in the past of wanting guys from, you know,

1758
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: inclement weather environments. Ryan Fitzgerald's from Florida State. Kiten Davis

1759
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: was at Texas A and m transfer to Ole, miss.

1760
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: But anything you're not you're not gonna have anything on

1761
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 1: the on the kickers for me, are you so?

1762
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 2: Ro I shouldn't say the name because I'm not a

1763
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: hundred I can't remember a hundred percent. Watch kicker shanked

1764
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 2: one yesterday pretty badly. They're one of these two guys.

1765
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 2: Helmet I think it was a gold helmet. I'm gonna

1766
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: say so. Uh then, but Frenshaw's punted the crap out

1767
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: of them all. You want to, Yeah, if you want

1768
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: to get into punters and kickers, he is. He has

1769
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: certainly looked the part.

1770
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'd love to. But at the

1771
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, they have a good punter. They

1772
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:17,799
Speaker 1: have Bryce Bearinger.

1773
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: Is he a good punter?

1774
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: I think so.

1775
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine.

1776
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 1: He had like a little dip in the middle of

1777
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: the season, but he was.

1778
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: Uh. Kreshaw definitely had some some uz and ohs at times.

1779
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1780
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: I had some of that going on, which I thought

1781
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: was interesting.

1782
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: So I tried to get the stop Watch out, but

1783
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: the angle they were showing it from I couldn't do

1784
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: it any any anybody else that we didn't get to.

1785
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: No, I think that was pretty pretty thorough. I think

1786
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 2: that that was pretty much the group. I think that

1787
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, though, were as advertised, which

1788
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: is what you wanted to see. Yeah, I don't think

1789
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: that you want to come into a week like this

1790
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: and have somebody come completely out of left field on you,

1791
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 2: and then yet like you're gonna change your entire opinion

1792
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: on a player or a class or a position group

1793
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: just because of what they did here that you're trying

1794
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 2: to look at more confirming priors. I think the only

1795
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: the one guy that because I admit I came in

1796
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: and I tried. I tried alas. I tried to to

1797
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 2: not do Taekwan again, like I tried to throw out

1798
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: that type of mark, that archetype. I tried to talk,

1799
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 2: he's not that hard. Don't not this time. Evan, you're

1800
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: not falling for this track.

1801
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: You are.

1802
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: But Tess Johnson, that was the only thing that happened.

1803
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 6: All right, And I guess if he literally was like

1804
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 6: you could not cover him, like if if you if

1805
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 6: he was just okay, I promise you, I wouldn't be

1806
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 6: doing this right Like if he was just okay.

1807
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: But he wasn't just okay. He was he was great anyways.

1808
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: And he's going to run like a four to three,

1809
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: he was saying on the on the NFL Network broadcast

1810
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: yesday he's going to beat the Savior worthy time.

1811
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

1812
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Look, if he does, I just and I hate using

1813
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: this because I was pushing back on it last year.

1814
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: But the track record of those guys is not great. No,

1815
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: it's not great because if you if you get what

1816
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: I worry about, the guy like that is beyond the size,

1817
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: you get so used to winning by pure speed. Everybody

1818
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL is fast and is his game. We

1819
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: did this with Isaiah Bond, who I think people have

1820
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: come back down to Earth on. But like, he's fast,

1821
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: and he's fast, and because you can't run by guys

1822
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: in the NFL the same way you can in college,

1823
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: you have to. It's good to be fast, but you

1824
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: have to have another tool of preferably multiple other tools

1825
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: to win beyond your speed. So I get look for

1826
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: the sake of the exercise, tes Johnson is fast and.

1827
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Fast, and john he can separate the toppler out. He's

1828
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: a He's a better separator than I thought he would be.

1829
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: And that's why if he was just running past people

1830
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: in a straight line the whole week, I would have

1831
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: been like our whatever, No, but there was some more

1832
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: nuance to it in my opinion than I expected, because

1833
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: I promise you when I was trying to.

1834
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. No, he has been he's a

1835
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: little more shifty. I'll give you that. He's I think,

1836
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: get like, if they are going to take that guy,

1837
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: if we're you know, being honest, I'm I mite the

1838
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: side still worries me. He's probably more technically impressive than

1839
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bond if we're talking about those kinds of guys.

1840
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: So I think Guysayah Bonds bigger.

1841
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,799
Speaker 1: Right, That's where I kind of hesitation.

1842
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm just just looking at it up Like Worthy is

1843
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: five to eleven, one sixty five. So the biggest thing

1844
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: with with Tess Johnson is that he's five to nine right,

1845
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: Like if he was that two inches matters for like

1846
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 2: the catch radious thing is important, like that two inches matter.

1847
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're worthy.

1848
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 2: He's not going to win a ton of to catch point,

1849
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: but we saw it the A's the championship game that

1850
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 2: he can. I know not everybody agrees that it was

1851
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: a catch, but like he went up and made it.

1852
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: He was able to make a play on the foot.

1853
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: He also is like and he has really long arms.

1854
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: He his arm his what is it wingspan that's got

1855
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: to be the equivalent of somebody who's like six one

1856
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: sixty two, whereas Tesz Johnson is I think built more proportionally.

1857
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know Worthy is five eleven one sixty

1858
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 2: five with thirty one inch arms thirty one and one

1859
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: eight inch arms, and Tenz Johnson's five to nine fifty

1860
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: six with twenty nine and seven a's almost thirty in charms.

1861
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 2: They we're talking about, like, yeah in an interest. So really,

1862
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: to me, the the body type com is Tank Dell,

1863
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: and I get that Tank Dell. If you want to

1864
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 2: make the argument for it, it's that Tank Dell's been

1865
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: great when healthy, yeah in the NFL. If you want

1866
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: to make the argument against it is that Tank Hell

1867
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 2: can't stay healthy again.

1868
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: That's that's why I go to Devin Tompkins, who was

1869
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: and you know that would he was twenty two. I

1870
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Devin Tompkins coming out of

1871
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: Utah State. He averaged like twenty five yards of catch

1872
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: his last year in college because you so fast, and

1873
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: he wasn't like detailed his release specifically, but in the

1874
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: route he was good and he just pull away from everybody.

1875
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: But he's five to nine, one hundred and sixty pounds.

1876
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: He ends up up going undrafted, and he was in

1877
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Tampa for a couple years. Now he's in Carolina and

1878
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: they use him as a kick returner and he's used

1879
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: kind of sparingly as a gadget player. And if that's

1880
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: what Tes Johnson is, if that's ultimately what he is, like,

1881
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: I could be into that. I'm not taking that guy

1882
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, which I think is what

1883
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do to get Tes Johnson. I

1884
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: guess I need to go figure out who Day three

1885
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Tes Johnson is. I don't know if thought my head,

1886
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: we'll find out. I'm not totally out on test. I

1887
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't say we're doing Taekwon again with Tes Johnson. I

1888
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: do think there are differences there. I just don't think

1889
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: that player, how that player usually translates in the NFL

1890
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: is worth where Tes Johnson's gonna go. I think, just

1891
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: like what happened to Taikwan and what happens with other players,

1892
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I think teams are Gonnat caught up in the forty

1893
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was at Oregon Big School,

1894
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: made a run all of that and probably end up

1895
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: overdrafting him and then he ends up being You texted

1896
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: me like two two at will as a comp which

1897
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: two to out Well is not a bad player. I

1898
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: don't think you need to take two too out Well

1899
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, especially when you're already it's

1900
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 1: too much.

1901
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: That is truly too much like Pop Douglas, right, I

1902
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 2: think those two guys are aren't too Two out Well

1903
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: and Pop Douglas are really similar. The thing with with Johnson,

1904
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: I know are doing a lot on Johnson, but if

1905
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: he runs well like Tank Dell is basically the same size,

1906
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, five eight.

1907
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: One Dell like have a bad forty whatever? Remember that?

1908
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: So Tank Yeah, so Tank Dell ran a four four nine,

1909
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: which is at that size was considered uh like that

1910
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: was considered a flag. Now. I understand the forties not everything.

1911
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 2: It certainly is nowadays it's becoming less and less important.

1912
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,799
Speaker 2: But when you look at Ted Johnson, to your point,

1913
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 2: if he has the Senior Bowl week that he had,

1914
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 2: he measures similarly to Worthy and similarly to to Tank Dell,

1915
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: and then he also puts down like a four to three, yeah,

1916
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: then you're probably right. Then we're probably talking about at

1917
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: worse to a second round thing.

1918
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: So I just don't think that that's where they should

1919
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: be taking that guy. No, not with all the holes

1920
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: that they have.

1921
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: So can we talk about another potential wide receiver for

1922
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots?

1923
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: Is it? We hang on? Is it a Senior Bowl guy?

1924
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Or no?

1925
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: No?

1926
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: All right, So let me just put a rap on

1927
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: this real quick, because you reminded me of the point

1928
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to make. As you consider all this and

1929
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: consider it if you've hunger, I appreciate everybody who hung

1930
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: around for an hour forty minutes or an hour thirty five,

1931
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: so that was late. Consider this a disclaimer and basically

1932
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: everything we said and this applies to the combine, and

1933
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: this really applies the next four months. And I think

1934
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 1: it's important to remember like this, we're evaluating these guys

1935
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: as football players. We're evaluating them as eleven on eleven

1936
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: pads on full contact sixty minutes. Right. These events are

1937
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: more about confirming priors in tie breakers. I don't think

1938
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: you look at what a guy does in this event,

1939
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: and there's different variants for different players, right. A guy

1940
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: like Carold Fannin is going to have some more variants

1941
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: because he's coming from a smaller school. A guy like

1942
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Nick Martin is gonna have some variants because he only

1943
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: has one full season under his belt and it was

1944
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 1: two years ago because he was hurt last year. Right,

1945
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: So those guys can maybe move a little more. But

1946
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take a guy who's a projected, you know,

1947
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: not even in the top two hundred and suddenly say, Okay,

1948
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: he's a top fifty pick because he had a great

1949
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. You're not gonna take a guy who's a

1950
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: projected top forty pick and say I wouldn't take him

1951
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: till day three because he had a couple of bad

1952
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: reps at the Senior Bowl. At the end of the day,

1953
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: you need to look at what the guys did during

1954
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: the year to figure out what kind of prospects they

1955
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 1: are with. This is more about like we talked about

1956
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: off the top, all right, ariantae Ersie and Josh Connolly,

1957
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: similar players who like sort that thing out, right, Xavier

1958
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 1: Estrepo Tes Johnson expected to go in the same area

1959
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: sort that thing out. We're not And I know we

1960
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: just kind of talked about test Johnson moving up draft boards.

1961
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about maybe fifteen twenty spots, which is pretty extreme.

1962
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: But that's the guy who's having the best Senior Bowl

1963
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: week and we think could have the best If he

1964
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: runs sub four three, people are gonna call it the

1965
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: best combine. So and that's worth fifteen or twenty spots, Max,

1966
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, it's more how do you

1967
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: set the board? You're gonna take all these guys in

1968
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: the same range, you have a rank Similarly, it's that

1969
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: ranking within the range is what this week is for,

1970
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 1: what the combine is for, what things are like that

1971
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: as for So, I just I kind of want to

1972
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 1: I meant to say that off the top. Maybe I didn't.

1973
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I forgot. It's a long show, but I just kind

1974
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: of want to put that caveat on all of it.

1975
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really true. And I think that you know,

1976
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: the tackle one was a big one that I think

1977
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 2: a lot of teams and scouts were trying to divvy up.

1978
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: Is you know, where are Connery ery? Like, where those guys.

1979
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear, Like I don't want to

1980
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: hear Connorley got bull rushed. You can't draft him in

1981
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,759
Speaker 1: the top one hundred anymore. Yeah, that's it was one rep,

1982
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: which to your point was probably not as convincing of

1983
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: a win as it looks on film or says it

1984
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: looks like in the immediate but like, I don't know,

1985
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: it's it matters. Yeah, and yeah, I would be worried

1986
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: about Josh Connolly or right tackle, and you're not drafting

1987
01:35:58,760 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: right tackle.

1988
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, No, I definitely think that that that was

1989
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 2: a big conversation was those fringe first round tackles like

1990
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, Ursery, Connory, where it was able gonna play

1991
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, all those types of things. How do those

1992
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 2: guys look this week, and how do we then go

1993
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: ahead and stab them, you know, and and and you

1994
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 2: know who how do we feel about all of them

1995
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 2: looking at them at the same time against similar competition.

1996
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: It's especially nice that Connory and and Nursery or playing

1997
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:29,839
Speaker 2: the same.

1998
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: Guys because they're right literally to back.

1999
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I don't think is a coincidence. I think

2000
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: that was that, you know, Jim Nagy was asked to

2001
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: probably do that by teams to put those guys together.

2002
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a good a good parometer to

2003
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 2: try to separate those guys now moving forward, But along

2004
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 2: with the tackles, you know, kind of that being sort

2005
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 2: of the conversation. It was all it was really fun

2006
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: this week, these last couple of days to talk about

2007
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter with with these people, and I gotta, I gotta,

2008
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 2: I know you love this conversation.

2009
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: Is this the receiver you want to talk about? The

2010
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 1: receiver you want to talk ye?

2011
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 2: So the majority of people, I would definitely say, feel

2012
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: like he's a corner, But there definitely are people that

2013
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 2: think he can that he is a better receiver and

2014
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 2: at least could make more it could be more valuable

2015
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 2: for your team at receiver if I put it to

2016
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 2: you that way, right, Like, if you it's it's a

2017
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: great conversation, like would you rather have an A plus

2018
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: corner or like a A minus receiver? And how does

2019
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 2: that needle move in terms of positional value and like

2020
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 2: all that good stuff, right, uh? Is uh is a

2021
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 2: fun conversation. I just I think it's worth having because

2022
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 2: I think that there's there's one thing that's very true,

2023
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: and that is there is no question about the talent,

2024
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: right Like every buddy is enamored with Travis Hunter, and

2025
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: everybody is enamor with Dabdel Carter, Like those two guys

2026
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: are are at the very very top of his draft.

2027
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: It's like those two guys, where are the quarterback's gonna go?

2028
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 2: And then everybody else? And that's right now is how

2029
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: this draft is looking.

2030
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: Look, I'm still where I was with Travis Hunter. You

2031
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: want to play him at corner, I think it'll work.

2032
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: You want to play him at receiver. I think it

2033
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: can work. But you gotta know, and that needs to

2034
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: be discussed, Like is they can meet with it. I

2035
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: guess they can't meet with him now. They can meet

2036
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: with them at the combine, they can meet with them

2037
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: at you know, when they have their meeting here or

2038
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: every many meetings they can have with him out of

2039
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: as many as possible if you think you're gonna take them,

2040
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: and like you, it's not all right, we drafted Travis Hunter.

2041
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? It's the coaching staff, the

2042
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: front office, everybody needs to be on the same page

2043
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: for what he is doing, and you need to make

2044
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: sure that he is good being on that page. You

2045
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: can't draft him, plan to play him why receiver and

2046
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: then have him stewing because he wants to play corner

2047
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's realistic for him to play

2048
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: both ways full time. I'm still sticking through that. Can

2049
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: you maybe use him as like you know, all right,

2050
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna play receiver full time and then you know,

2051
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: all right, two minute trail, we're gonna throw him as

2052
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: in as an extra corner because we could use them.

2053
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, you can, Like that is fine. He's not.

2054
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: He can't play one hundred snaps the game in the NFL.

2055
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: You just can't do it. So I'm not against him

2056
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: drafting Travis Hunter. I just if you're the process to

2057
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 1: prepare to draft him is different than the average player,

2058
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: because he's not average. He's not normal rights, We're talking

2059
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: about a different kind of animal. And and and he's

2060
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: a tremendously talented football player. You need to know the

2061
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: best way as a team to harness that talent. And

2062
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be something you decide on

2063
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: the fly. I think it needs to be something you

2064
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: need to go in with a plan, and maybe that

2065
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: plan changes as you go and you get new information.

2066
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think that plan can be all right,

2067
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, we got him in here, we'll wing it.

2068
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: We'll just we'll just see what feels right. No, I

2069
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: think you got to know coming in this is what

2070
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna do, and you've got to make sure that

2071
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: he's on board with that because if not, now you

2072
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: you have a guy used top five pick on that's

2073
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 1: instantly unhappy and that's really not good, especially for a

2074
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: new coaching staff.

2075
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with a lot of what he said.

2076
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:22,600
Speaker 2: I think that the main thing though, is that you

2077
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: need to make sure that Travis hunder is in the

2078
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 2: right headspace with what he's gonna do at the NFL level, right,

2079
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Like you know, I said, he needs to understand right,

2080
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 2: Like to me, it just comes down to when you

2081
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 2: get into the interviews and you get into the thirty visit,

2082
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 2: in the private visits on campus and all that good

2083
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 2: stuff that's gonna come yeah, you know, combined and on

2084
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, brodes and things like that. Like what's his mindset?

2085
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Like if he thinks that he's gonna come in and

2086
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 2: be a unicorn and be like the sho heeo Tania

2087
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 2: football and playing both ways and do all this stuff

2088
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 2: right like he's he's he's probably naive, like he's kind

2089
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: of dreaming.

2090
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: So I guess here's my point because because I like,

2091
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have to let him dictate it.

2092
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you one hundred percent dictate it

2093
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: to him. I don't think that would work. But you, like,

2094
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be his favorite thing. But you

2095
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: go and you meet with him, You lay it out,

2096
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: this is our plan for you, right, and if he

2097
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: says that's exactly what I want to do, awesome. If

2098
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: he says, yep, I can see that working for me. Great.

2099
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: If he goes, nope, I'll you know I'm not gonna

2100
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: do that. Like, let's say he says I want to

2101
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: play full time. Don't draft me if you don't planning me,

2102
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: if you don't plan on playing me both ways full time,

2103
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 1: you have to It becomes tough question, Right, do you

2104
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: draft him and try to fit the square peg in

2105
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: around hole and say Nope, we're just gonna play a

2106
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: receiver and you're gonna have to deal with it, or

2107
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 1: at that point till you move on, and like, if

2108
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: his plan, if what he wants to do is something

2109
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: you don't believe will be successful, do you still draft him?

2110
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Because at that point, I'm kind of looking at it

2111
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: and saying, especially the recent history of this organization's had

2112
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 1: in the draft, I kind of look at it and say,

2113
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this will happen. I don't know

2114
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: this will happen, but it's a scen area have to

2115
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: be prepared for. I kind of look at it and say,

2116
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: if we can't get to a point with him where

2117
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: we can make it work, I'm using the I'm using

2118
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: the pick elsewhere. I'm looking elsewhere because there's no point here.

2119
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: You can't develop them.

2120
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here. Here's the reason why I mainly bring it

2121
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: up because the way that I see the board shaking

2122
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: out right now is the reality is is that like

2123
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 2: the blue chip players in this draft, of those two guys,

2124
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 2: it's Carter.

2125
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be on the board right

2126
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: because I don't.

2127
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 2: So, I don't know. But if he's on the board

2128
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 2: at four, and we're assuming that Carter is not on

2129
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 2: the board, you are not taking the best player available

2130
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 2: if you don't take DRAMs Hunter. But that's just if

2131
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 2: you take Mason Graham in that spot, and even Will

2132
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 2: Campbell and that's spot which would obviously make a lot

2133
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: more sense, you know, just from a positional needs type

2134
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: of thing, you're not taking the best player available. And

2135
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, myself included, are all

2136
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 2: about let's just stack talent onto this rock team. They

2137
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 2: have so many holes. They need talent, they need top

2138
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 2: end talent. And I get it. They need to have

2139
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: a plan. They need to have a plan that he

2140
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 2: agreed that everybody's on the same page. This is how

2141
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 2: we're going to use you. I just think that, you know,

2142
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 2: just being here, I just think that there are people

2143
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:19,839
Speaker 2: that think that he can be a great wide receiver.

2144
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 2: That makes me think, okay, like in the league, there

2145
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 2: are people that think that he can be a great

2146
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 2: wide receiver. That was my take from him watching his

2147
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 2: tape originally. So I'm just not crazy, right, Like I'm

2148
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: not completely out of left field with that day. That's all.

2149
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: And if he wants to play receiver, great, If he

2150
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 1: says I don't want to play receiver, it doesn't you know.

2151
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 1: Now those people have to ask themselves a tough question.

2152
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 2: So just to play it out, Yeah, yeah, just to

2153
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 2: play it out because we have a few more minutes

2154
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 2: and we can.

2155
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 1: Do there's a call in the line I want to

2156
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: take to it. We'll do this, okay, Tennessee, yep.

2157
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 2: I think Tennessee is going to take out dual Card.

2158
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: I think so.

2159
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 2: I think Tennessee is gonna take out Duel Carter.

2160
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna give Will one more shot for some reason, or.

2161
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna sign a bridge quarterback, they'll end up with

2162
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold or you know, something like that.

2163
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 1: We'll get to Sam Donald, Sam Darnold factors and elsewhere.

2164
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: Thisess equations.

2165
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 2: But Uh, they have an offensive minded coach uh in

2166
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Brian Callahan. Uh. They just changed GMS again, you know,

2167
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 2: like they they're gonna understand that this is a little

2168
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 2: bit more of a of a slow burn.

2169
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

2170
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: They have every Boy Bergonzi is there at GM and UH,

2171
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 2: and they hired Dave Ziegler, old Patriot UH executive as

2172
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 2: their assistant general manager. I think those guys are in

2173
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 2: it for the long call. Like I think they're gonna

2174
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 2: play the slow play. They are with Tennessee and just

2175
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 2: take who they think is the best player in the draft.

2176
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 2: And at Duel Carter with Cleveland, Uh, in the Giants,

2177
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't think Sudor Sanders is going to Cleveland, Like,

2178
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's gonna go on to play there.

2179
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants anything to do with the Browns.

2180
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 2: I think the Giants, though, that makes a lot of sense.

2181
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: We saw them kind of, you know, rubbing elbows at

2182
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 2: the shrine.

2183
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: But you said you said Sanders would drafts Hunter go

2184
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:05,759
Speaker 1: to Cleveland.

2185
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I just I don't

2186
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 2: think Door Sanders wants to go to Cleveland. That's just

2187
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 2: my opinion. I'm just just my take on it. I

2188
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 2: just don't think he wants to go to Cleveland. Are

2189
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 2: they gonna draft Cam Woard like with the Browns, Because

2190
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 2: the Browns could also be in a position where they

2191
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 2: just say, there's no quarterback in this draft that we loved,

2192
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 2: we're not gonna reach, so we're just gonna go Carter

2193
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: Hunter one two, and then the whole thing is moved.

2194
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 2: So the Browns conversation is really where it is to me,

2195
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 2: because I think the Giants are gonna take the Door.

2196
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 2: I think that's happening.

2197
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: I think the Giants are gonna take a veteran quarterback.

2198
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I think they're more that same Donald team. Because it's

2199
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: so didn't they just do that with Daniel Jones. No,

2200
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,600
Speaker 1: because they kept Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones was inherited

2201
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: by Brian Daball.

2202
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: And this is but like in terms of talent level,

2203
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 2: Like I know dartl had a much better year than

2204
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: than Daniel Juns ever had in the league, but like

2205
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: you're just talking about pure talent like and evaluated the

2206
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,799
Speaker 2: two players, like I just.

2207
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: But it's it's kind of thing I guess. But it's

2208
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: also proven versus unproven, and I think that it for

2209
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 1: for both Brian Table and for Joe Shane. It doesn't

2210
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: it feel like they need to make the playoffs to

2211
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 1: save their jobs and you're you're trying to capture lightning

2212
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 1: in a bottle. You're trying to get what the Commanders

2213
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,679
Speaker 1: got with Jayden Daniels. For every Jade and Daniels, there's

2214
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: how many, like even as good as Drake may was. Right,

2215
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: look at where the Patriots ended up. So I think

2216
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: the Giants are veteran quarterback team, and I think that

2217
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: that team makes all the sense in the world for

2218
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter if they have a quarterback in place, because

2219
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: it's it's New York, it's a big market, you can

2220
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: sell them, you know him with Malik Neighbors is really attractive.

2221
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: He's playing offense. If not, they need a corner. They're

2222
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,520
Speaker 1: in that division that has a ton of good receivers.

2223
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 1: I think Travis Hunter makes a ton of sense for

2224
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: the Giants. I ALWAYO almost think he makes enough sense

2225
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: to the point where they would go out and get

2226
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback in order to facilitate it. The other

2227
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 1: thing that happens is we know the Raiders like Shudur Sanders,

2228
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about the Raiders moving from six to four.

2229
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: What about the Raiders going from six to two? And

2230
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: maybe the Browns just say, right if they are that

2231
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: team that says, you know, we want a quarterback next year,

2232
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 1: and it maybe maybe Travis Hunter won't go there. If

2233
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: you think the Sanders family has an issue with Cleveland,

2234
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 1: and that's kind of been rumored that Dion may limit

2235
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: where these guys can go. Maybe the Raiders move up

2236
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: and say, fine, we'll take Shaudar, and the Browns look

2237
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: at it and they get the ammunition to move up

2238
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: and take the quarterback next year. So maybe the Giants

2239
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: don't even get a chance at Shouldar Sanders.

2240
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 2: Well. Either way, I think we're both in agreement that

2241
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 2: there's a real chance that Shador goes before the Patriots picked.

2242
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 2: Which is which is the best case scenario for the Patriots. Yes,

2243
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 2: they need the quarterbacks to.

2244
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Go, but they need they either need both to go

2245
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 1: or none to go. I actually think one going is

2246
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario because if both go, well, now

2247
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: you get automatically Travis Hunter or Abdull Carter, right, you

2248
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: get one of those two. If neither go, now, for

2249
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 1: those quarterback teams that are a little further down, the

2250
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: Raiders the Saints, now you're selling the object of choice.

2251
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 1: And you'd say, well, if those guys like the quarterback

2252
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,639
Speaker 1: when they move up higher, well, now that's a little

2253
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,759
Speaker 1: more affordable. Now becomes more realistic, and now that fourth

2254
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: overall pick has more value if one guy goes. Right now,

2255
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: the Raiders at six, they know you're not taking a quarterback.

2256
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 1: They know the Jaguars aren't taking a quarterback, and the Saints, no,

2257
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: they can call your bluff and say, well, Jaguars aren't

2258
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna take quarterback. We'll trade with them, and it's gonna

2259
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: be a cheating pick, right, They're gonna force you into that.

2260
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: So to me, the worst case scenario for the Patriots

2261
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: is one of the quarterbacks goes. I think you need

2262
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: both to go in the top three, or neither to

2263
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 1: go in the top three to maximize the value. I

2264
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: think both going probably is the best outcome, but I

2265
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: actually think it's better neither go than just one goes

2266
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: because if it's quarterback Travis Hunter Abdull Carter, now that

2267
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,759
Speaker 1: pick has the least amount of value in the trade market,

2268
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: and both blue chip guys are gone, and I wouldn't

2269
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 1: roll out Carter and Hunter going in the top three.

2270
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: I still think that's realistic.

2271
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I think you're one hundred percent right.

2272
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 2: I just I think we've almost flip flopped on this

2273
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 2: because I am saying that these quarterbacks stake these quarterback

2274
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 2: steak and I'm not saying that necessarily. I think that

2275
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 2: it's a lot that one or two of them go.

2276
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 2: But I just I come back to four, right, and

2277
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 2: I just look at it, and I say, whether it's

2278
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 2: Carter or Hunter, whichever one is right. You as the

2279
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 2: Patriots in the position that they're in in terms of

2280
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 2: this roster right now, needing just all kinds of talent.

2281
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 2: I just need top of the roster talent. I just

2282
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 2: think it's really tough pill to swallow, Like to what

2283
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna let Abdul Carter get the five in this,

2284
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I just I don't

2285
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 2: see how if you're Elliott Wolf and Conten and Mike

2286
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,679
Speaker 2: Rabel and you're on the clot and one of those

2287
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 2: two guys is sitting there and you don't draft that player.

2288
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 2: Even if you don't even if you have concerns about

2289
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 2: Hunter in terms of yeah, and you know which side

2290
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 2: of the ball he's playing on, I don't know. I

2291
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 2: don't know how you just don't draft that guy. Now

2292
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 2: we might not be in this situation.

2293
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: So I get so, wait, hang on, because you said

2294
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 1: we flip flopped on this, Just to backtrack, wasn't your

2295
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: original case that Hunter was going to be on the

2296
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: board for.

2297
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 2: No, My original case was that I don't think that

2298
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 2: the I think the league is going to be smart

2299
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 2: enough about these quarterbacks.

2300
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: That's my that's if that happens, the Patriots aren't going

2301
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: to have Carter or Hunter because who if not if

2302
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: neither quarterbacks go in the top three?

2303
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah right.

2304
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 1: You also maybe McMillan mixes it, maybe if like the

2305
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Browns are fascinated, But right exactly so, I think the.

2306
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 2: Only other guy is that good factor into any of

2307
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: this conversations, right, now and yeah, January twenty nine, there's

2308
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 2: a long fricking way to go. But the only guys

2309
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 2: that can kind of, I truly factor in right now

2310
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 2: to me are Campbell if he measures out of the tackle,

2311
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 2: and Mason Graham. Like, I think those two guys are

2312
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: the next closest thing to what we're talking about.

2313
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: If but if check out Jeremiah.

2314
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 2: You know, like in his top fifty that he dis released.

2315
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: He thinks Campbell's tackle right.

2316
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, looking at the rankings, yeah,

2317
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 2: like you know, it's it's crystal clear that you know,

2318
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 2: right now the consensus is Hunter and Carter are the

2319
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 2: two best players in the draft. Sure, and then there's

2320
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 2: a drop off.

2321
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 1: If if Campbell's arms check out, would you call him

2322
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: a blue chip player?

2323
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would. I think he's I think everybody

2324
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 2: feels confident about him making his sticking in the league.

2325
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about here, we're talking about we're

2326
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 1: talking about different been a blue chip player and a

2327
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 1: really good player. So, right, if Campbell's a blue chip

2328
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: at you take a blue chip player at four if

2329
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 1: he's there, if his arms check out, right, So, and

2330
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: I guess here's my one other point to something you said,

2331
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: and then I do want to get to your call, Ed,

2332
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 1: and I know we're u against We're gonna do just kind

2333
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: of quick you mentioned with where their roster is, they

2334
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 1: can't pass on a blue chip player. I would almost

2335
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: take the opposite case, especially if it's if it's Hunter

2336
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: and you're not on the same page with him about

2337
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 1: what his role is gonna be. They don't need one

2338
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: good player, they need multiple good players. And if you

2339
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 1: can move down and get a future first or get

2340
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: an extra top fifty pick, or get like a second

2341
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 1: round pick something like that, you get what I'm saying.

2342
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 1: And it's a combination of those. Now you've turned the

2343
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: ability to get one great player. Maybe you're going from

2344
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: blue chip to whatever the step below blue chip is

2345
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: and it's a green chip, right, Maybe you're going from

2346
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 1: blue chip to green chip, but now you're getting like

2347
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: three or four green chip players who are still cornerstone,

2348
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 1: foundational players. I actually see more value in that because

2349
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: they need more than one guy. It's not you're plugging

2350
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 1: one guy in and fixing it. So I think the

2351
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: potential to trade down is still very attractive. Real quick,

2352
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: Ed and Western as has been hanging on. I want

2353
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 1: to make sure I get you in here, Ed. What's

2354
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: going on? Hey?

2355
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

2356
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: Yep?

2357
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 5: All right, great, Thanks for taking the call. First, I

2358
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 5: just want to remind you, Evan, when you first watched

2359
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 5: Will Campbell's tape, you said he was a blue chip.

2360
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 5: So if the arms measure out, he said he was

2361
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 5: a blue tip from the start. The question I have

2362
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 5: is about Travis Hunter. I actually am all set on him.

2363
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 5: I know he's the best player in the draft, but

2364
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 5: I'm curious where you would rank him positionally as a

2365
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 5: wide receiver in last year's draft, so Harrison neighbors a

2366
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 5: doom day does he slot in there? You put him

2367
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 5: above one of those guys? And then for corners in

2368
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 5: the draft that we got Gonzo, how does he slot

2369
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 5: in with witherspooning Gonzo. I'll take it off there. I

2370
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 5: appreciate it.

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01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So I guess I said Will Campbell's blue chips.

2372
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be consistent.

2373
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: I think you did. You did say it with the

2374
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 1: caveat of the arm line, which is that's fine.

2375
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 2: There's no there's no debating Will Campbell in terms to

2376
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 2: him being sticking in the NFL for the next decade

2377
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 2: on an offensive line. It's just a conversation that he's

2378
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 2: going to be inside a round.

2379
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know. Well, let me to go

2380
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: back to your takes during the twenty twenty two draft,

2381
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 1: which we don't need to rehash fully, but in your mind,

2382
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: can a guard well, can a guard be a blue

2383
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:20,799
Speaker 1: chip player?

2384
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's much harder, Like you have to be

2385
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson. Do you have to be Zach Martin? Do

2386
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:35,839
Speaker 2: you have to truly move the needle, move the equation

2387
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 2: like you.

2388
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: Have to do you think he's that kind of guard?

2389
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: If he is a guard? I don't know you said

2390
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: you said he was a blue chip player.

2391
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but we're talking when we're talking about Zach Martin,

2392
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 2: we're talking.

2393
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: You think do you think he has the potential to

2394
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: be that kind of player? I'm not saying you have

2395
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: to say this is what he will be. Do you

2396
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: think he is the tool that that kind of player? Yes?

2397
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and the and I also just what I

2398
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 2: all so think needs to be mentioned with Will Campbell

2399
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 2: as the intangibles, you know, like I think he's got

2400
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 2: he's got leadership, he's got effort, he's got finished, he's

2401
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 2: got traits, right, like, if that's what they're looking for,

2402
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 2: which is certainly what it sounds like based off of

2403
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 2: what you know they told me this week and what

2404
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 2: they've been saying like that, he checks all those boxes

2405
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 2: for them, and and that's what makes him intriguing at

2406
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 2: the top. What was the other thing that real?

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01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 5: All? Right?

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01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: So he asked about I think in this class you

2409
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: had Travis Hunter second to Tech as a receiver.

2410
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 2: Nope, I think Travis. I think Travis Center is the

2411
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 2: best receiver and the best corner in.

2412
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: The Okay, last year's class. He asked last year's class

2413
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 1: for a receiver. So it's it's Harrison, it's neighbors, it's

2414
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: a Dooneesday and then Brian Thomas, I don't think you're

2415
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna have him below anybody beyond that. You're not gonna

2416
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: have him below like Keon Coleman. So where where do

2417
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: you rank him there as a receiver?

2418
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because we were all too low on

2419
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 2: VTEJ is fantastic. I would probably say that he's in

2420
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 2: the conversation with me, uh for with the dunes for

2421
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver three, I don't know if he would be

2422
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver three. I mean, I would really have to

2423
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 2: think about it. But I think he's certainly in the

2424
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 2: conversation as I think to me, Myrison and neighbors are really.

2425
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not. To me, he's not that level. But

2426
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I think he's at a Duneesa or maybe a little above.

2427
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 1: He's probably closer to a Duneesa than the other two.

2428
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 1: But I put him in there and then the question.

2429
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: The other one was twenty twenty two draft corners, so

2430
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 1: that was yeah, Christian Witherspoon. Yeah, I don't think Gonzales

2431
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: is maybe as good of a cornerback prospect as I've seen.

2432
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's quite there. Maybe a touch below.

2433
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: I'd put him head of Witherspoon. That's me.

2434
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think he's definitely in the

2435
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 2: conversation to be the top corner in any draft.

2436
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's really good.

2437
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 2: He's a really good player, you know, he just I

2438
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 2: don't know, I because I think a lot of us,

2439
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 2: I know we have to wrap, but like a lot

2440
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 2: of us have sort of been all over the place

2441
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 2: on Travis Hunter, myself included, because he's such a unicorn

2442
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 2: and it's Yeah, it's a tough it's a tough call.

2443
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 2: Like it's a tough one to kind of figure out

2444
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 2: which position is he gonna play? You know, all that

2445
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 2: kind of stuff is difficult, uh to figure out. And

2446
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 2: but I think at the end of the day, everybody's

2447
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 2: sort of coming to the realization that he that is

2448
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,680
Speaker 2: just a really really good football player. I'm not gonna

2449
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 2: call him generational or anything like that, but like, that's

2450
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 2: just a really really good football player.

2451
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 1: If we're ever gonna call a player generational, tim because

2452
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,879
Speaker 1: generational means a player you only see once in generation,

2453
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 1: once every twenty thirty forty years, you know, Travis Hunterson

2454
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: one player you call generation. Sure, Yeah, that that might

2455
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 1: be the best word I could think to describe him,

2456
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: although it's going to be more common, you know, because

2457
01:57:57,720 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all these kids that saw him do

2458
01:57:59,120 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: it and want to do it.

2459
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 2: So all right, oh, really really quickly, really quickly, last thing,

2460
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 2: I promise. Yeah, your boy Josh Simmons was walking around

2461
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 2: this week intervening with teams.

2462
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:15,440
Speaker 1: That I think he's a good player. I just he

2463
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 1: so I missed the report back in December. He's a

2464
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 1: torn pteller tendon, right, that's what he had.

2465
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that injury.

2466
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 1: That's the same injury Cole Strange has had. Cole Strange's

2467
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: out twelve months, and I know he had some setbacks.

2468
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 1: He was out twelve months. So Josh Simmons had his

2469
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 1: in late October. So even if we call it ten months,

2470
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 1: he's just getting back to it in August. And I

2471
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: just for a team that desperately needs an immediate answer

2472
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 1: at tackle, he's not going to be that because of

2473
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the injury and for the team they are at this time,

2474
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't make sense. There's other teams he might make

2475
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: a ton of sense for if a team has an

2476
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: older tackle and a one year deal or you know

2477
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,480
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, he makes more sense. He doesn't

2478
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 1: make if you're draft If you're drafting, he's not probably

2479
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: not gonna play at a high level until twenty twenty six.

2480
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:08,640
Speaker 1: At that point, I'll just take a tackle next year

2481
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: that's fully healthy, because either player, you're gonna get him

2482
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: at the same time.

2483
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 7: So yeah, for him, I'm glad he's talking to teams.

2484
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 7: I think he's a good player. Don't get that twisted.

2485
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,240
Speaker 7: I don't have anything against the kid. I just think

2486
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 7: for where the Patriots are at, a guy that's coming

2487
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,919
Speaker 7: off the injury he's coming off of is a misuse

2488
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:27,960
Speaker 7: of ass They need guys that can make an impact

2489
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 7: like day one, and he's just unfortunately because he's heard,

2490
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 7: he's not gonna do that.

2491
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 2: So it's not I don't think you can really talent

2492
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 2: on him as the season right exact time he gets healthy,

2493
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 2: he gets ramped up. Like we saw this with the

2494
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:44,080
Speaker 2: guys from this year. You know, like it's obviously an

2495
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 2: end season injury, but I Candon Wallace basically lost his

2496
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 2: entire season, and you know it just it's impossible.

2497
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 1: So to me at that point, if you're gonna use

2498
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick on a tackle, because thats where

2499
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. If you're gonna use a top fifty

2500
01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 1: pick on a tackle, use a top fifty pick next

2501
01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: year because you'll get the guy at the same time

2502
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 1: either way. And now you've you know, you've added this

2503
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 1: guy this year. So if he if he like falls

2504
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: to Day three, I could totally be convinced of it

2505
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: because I think with those picks you have a little

2506
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 1: more runway. But that's just I feel bad, like I

2507
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to come across as ripping on the

2508
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 1: kid or knocking him, like, do you.

2509
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 2: Want another another Josh Simmons connection here? For so, not

2510
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 2: only is he like a value pick.

2511
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Right, yea rabel Ohio State.

2512
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 2: Not only did he go to Ohio State, he is

2513
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:31,200
Speaker 2: a Drew Rosenhouse client.

2514
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's that's a bygone era. So we'll

2515
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 1: see if that's still places. But I guess maybe not.

2516
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 1: I guess maybe not. Look, they're gonna take him, and

2517
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look like an idiot, But I'm just saying

2518
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 1: I'd like guys that can play day one. I think

2519
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 1: this team needs that.

2520
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:50,880
Speaker 2: Uh fair enough because we're already over.

2521
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're even over the time I missed, So

2522
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 1: I apologize, Matt. We'll be back next week. We'll be

2523
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: back at new next week. I saw some people confuse

2524
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: that it does move around a little bit this time

2525
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 1: of year because you have events like the Senior Bowl

2526
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: and the Combine and all that. But for the most part,

2527
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:09,080
Speaker 1: off season shows are going to be noon on Wednesdays.

2528
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 1: We will be back at that time next week. Evan

2529
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 1: will be back in the host chair. In the meantime,

2530
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: he'll have Senior Bowl recaps on Patriots dot com. I

2531
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 1: let my Senior Bowl recap once the week is over

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02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 1: on ninety eight five the Sports dot Com. Next week

2533
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: we will probably have the bulk of the coaching staff.

2534
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 1: They made some more hires. We didn't get into it

2535
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 1: this week, so we'll get into that more next week.

2536
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Maybe we have some titles things like that, and I'm

2537
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: sure more more draft and fre agency stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: So until next week. Frev Lasara Malex part thanks tuning

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02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:43,120
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