1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number three and 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: fifty and today in the show, I'm joined by Lindsay 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Thomas Jr. Of the Quality Deer Management Association for a 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: terrific and varied conversation about white tail habitat, improvement, in 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: conservation and how we can all do better. Hello, my friends, 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: by on X. Today we've got Lindsay Thomas Jr. Here 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: on the show, and Lindsay is the communications director over 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: at the q D MAY. He is a terrific outdoor 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: writer and an avid deer hunter and habitat worker from Georgia, 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: and today I'm chatting with him on a variety of 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: habitat and conservation related topics, things such as whether or 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: not we should really care about controlling non native or 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: invasive species, or why and how hunters can get better 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: plant identification, or ideas for planting lower impact, environmentally friendly 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: food plots. There's just lots and lots of interesting things here. 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: To cover, and I think I think there should be said. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of content out there 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: today teaching us how to create quick, fix, fast and 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: easy habitat improvements that maybe help are hunting a bit 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: here and there. But if there's any overarching message that 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: I can take from the conversation I have with Lindsay, 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: it was that we can we can do better. Whether 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: it's food plots or timber management, or dealing with weeds 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: and shrubs and non native plants, we all probably have 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: room to do just a little bit better for the 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: deer and other wildlife and for the larger environment that 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: we all enjoy as hunters. And that's that's an admirable 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: and worthwhile goal to strive towards. So with that going mind, 33 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: that is what we're in chat about. Let's get right 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: into it with the one and only Lindsay Thomas Jr. 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Alright with me on the line now, is Lindsay Thomas Jr. Lindsay, 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: it's Grace talked to again, you too. Mark. It's it's 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: good to be to be back on wire to hunt, 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: and I hope you're doing well. Yeah, you know, we're 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: just talking before we start recording that you know, I'm 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: doing about as well as you can ask for right now, 41 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: given us it's spring, We're in the middle of the 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: coronavirus pandemic and all the various impacts of that. So 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I think I can't complain too 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: much because I'm healthy, my family is healthy, and we're 45 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: still able to pay the bills. So that's about as 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: good as you could ask for. Think, Um, how about you. 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: You guys are doing all right? It sounds like, yeah, 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: we're doing okay. You know, family wise doing fine. Qutu 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: May is doing okay. Of course, facing struggles that unique 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: conservation nonprofit conservation organization is looking at right now. But 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: other than that, you know, the whole team and my family, 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: everybody's okay getting by. You know, we're seeing, like you said, 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: everybody in America is struggling right now to some degree. Um, 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of people step up to the 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: plate and helping others and that's good to see. Um, 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, we want to help our our health care providers. 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: Seeing seeing what those people are doing on a day 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: to day basis is pretty incredible. So, you know, kind 59 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: of seeing what folks are doing for each other through 60 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: this has been good. But yeah, everybody just like you, 61 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: like me, and everybody else to some extent is struggling 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: with this, some some more than others. And but yeah, 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: everybody here's okay, Yeah it is. It is. Um. The 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: one silver lining, like you just mentioned, is is seeing 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: people step up to play, seeing people rally together. Um. 66 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: It's it's unfortunate that sometimes it takes uh tragedies of 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: kind to bring folks together. But I hope if if 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: one small tiny thing we can take out of this 69 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: is maybe it brings the country back together in certain ways, 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: and and I think we're seeing examples of that, so 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: so that's good. Um, it's something you mentioned I do 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: want to hear a little bit more about because something 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: that's been on my mind, which is, you know, how 74 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the q m A is holding up and how conservation 75 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: organizations in general are weathering this storm, because I mean, 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: so many businesses are really really um having a tough 77 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: time at it given the variety of different regulations and 78 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: shutdowns and lockdowns in place. I've always assumed that conservation 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: organizations are feeling that in a big way too. Um, Right, 80 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: is that the case? How are things going? How is 81 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: this impacting you guys? Yeah, I mean it's um, it's 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: an impact and all I think I can speak for 83 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: all nonprofit conservation organizations when I say it's tough times 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: right now, it's lean times right now. Nonprofits you know, 85 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: as you know, we we play it close to the 86 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: margins all the time, even during good times, because UM, 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, our job is to put the money we 88 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: make back into our mission, back into conservation and constantly 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: be able to show our members and supporters that there 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: are contributions to us, UM aren't going in a bank 91 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: account somewhere that they are taking you know, making action, 92 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: accomplishing things for white tails in our case, UM, but 93 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: particularly UM. You know, like many conservation organizations, events are 94 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: a big part of our mission work and our fundraising. UM. 95 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: And that's true for almost all conservation groups. You know, 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: we all of us have played over time with you know, 97 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: online fundraising and digital gatherings of various types, but it 98 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: was still UH, events and banquets and fundraising, the things 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: where people gathered. We're still a big part of the 100 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: pie there on the income side for all of us. 101 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: And so you know, when when this all hit, UM, 102 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: we managed to pull off our White Tail Weekend, which 103 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: you know you ended up you were supposed to come 104 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: to White Tail Weekend on March fourteenth, and the travel 105 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: restrictions at the last minute you had to pull out 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: of that, and a lot of people did. We went 107 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: ahead with it because the day, you know, the day 108 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: we were rolling and the thing was started in people 109 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: in town. For example, here in Anthon's, Georgia, the University 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: of Georgia was still open um. You know, the governor 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: had not yet done a sheltering place regulation or any 112 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: of that. And literally the day after we finished the event, 113 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: that's when all that stuff changed, and the university clothed 114 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: and the governor you know, did a press conference and 115 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: things started closing up. So you know, if we scheduled 116 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: that thing a week later, we have had to cancel it, 117 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: I feel sure. But on that Monday, we came in 118 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: the office and postponed about two months worth of our 119 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: If you made branch events around the country, it's going 120 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: to end up being longer than that, you know, before 121 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: it's over. And you've seen the same thing among all 122 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: the other non concert nonprofit conservation groups. They're they're shuttering 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: these in person events. You know, I saw that that 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: country hunters and anglers had to close their June Randee 125 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: boos completely. UM. I was talking with Shawn Curran was 126 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: Rough Grosse Society late last week and about this thing. 127 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: And you know, for the Rough Grouse Society, for example, 128 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: this has hit them at at during one of their 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: peaks of banquet activity. Uh, Turkey Federation, you know, spring 130 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: is a big time for them. So it it's not 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: the peak of our banquet season right now, but we 132 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: still have banquets on going on. We still have spring 133 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: banquets and they are a big part of our income picture. 134 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: UM for a deer organization. You know, spring is a 135 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: slow time of year anyway. Folks are turkey hunting, they're 136 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: thinking about fishing. UM. You know, we still talk a 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: lot about habitat at that time. But you're about as 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: far in any directions, any direction as you can get 139 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: from a deer season looking back or looking forward. So 140 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: it's um always a slow time of year for us. 141 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 1: But still without those banquets, it was in a pretty 142 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: big financial hit and we are taking steps. We we 143 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: did furlough temporarily uh some employees. UM. We are hoping 144 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: to bring them back home soon. But that was part 145 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: of the sort of stop stop gap measure of of 146 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: making up that difference. And we are, uh, we've we've 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: launched a number of raffles, We're working on a number 148 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: of online auction um coming soon and essentially jumping out 149 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: there and just promoting every possible other thing we can 150 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: do to keep to make up the difference in that 151 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: income um that works you know, remotely and online. Uh. 152 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: And that's what you're seeing all of the conservation organizations do. 153 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: And it's you know, it can be. I'll be honest 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: with you, it's it's um. Conservation is still important and 155 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: always will be. But when you see when you look 156 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: out there around the country and you see healthcare providers 157 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: who need masks, and you know, folks who are hungry, 158 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: and school kids who aren't getting their free school meals 159 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: who you know, in some cases means they don't get 160 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: a meal, it does make you stop and go, you know, uh, 161 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: asking for money for white tails. I struggle with that. 162 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: But um, you know, all I know to do is 163 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: to tell folks, look, meet your community needs first, you know, 164 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: give to share venison with neighbors, and give to what 165 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: you can give to to your local community. Philanthropy, and 166 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: if you can still support qtumy when that's over, if 167 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: you can still support the other species groups and land 168 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: conservation groups, help them to because we also, you know, 169 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: need to stay viable through this process and emerge on 170 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the other side of it healthy and ready to pick 171 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: up where we left off with, you know, full time 172 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: conservation work. You know that said, what we've also pointed 173 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: out is there's a ton of little ways you can 174 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: help people like us groups like us. You know, even 175 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: if if you're ordering stuff from Amazon, you know, have 176 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: you have you used Amazon Smile, which lets you designate 177 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: a nonprofit or charity of your choice, and every time 178 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: you buy something and order something through Amazon, you get 179 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: the same price, but Amazon kicks a little bit of 180 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: your purchase back to that group. So you could set 181 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Q to you maaze your Amazon Smile preference and every 182 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: time you order something we get you know, a little 183 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: bit of change. You can do that with any group. 184 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: So there's there's lots of little small ways out there 185 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: that you can support us and support other groups that 186 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: we've been talking about. It didn't have to be a 187 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: big cash donation um or becoming a member, you know, 188 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: things like that so all of us, all of the 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: nonprofit world, are looking for ways to to do that, 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: to continue helping our communities and but at the same 191 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: time survived through this, continue doing important work for the 192 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: species we're working on. UM. You know, during this chronic 193 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: waste and disease is not going to go away. Hunter 194 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: numbers are not going to you know, become less of 195 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: an issue than they were before. An habitat conservation and 196 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: all the other issues we're working on. UM, those problems 197 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: aren't going to go away. We want to keep working 198 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: on them. So so staying healthy, staying viable through this 199 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: is you know. The other thing too, I would say, Mark, 200 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: is that in talking with other folks and other conservation 201 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: groups and friends in the in the industry, what we've 202 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: also all pointed out and realized is that the challenges 203 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: of this period are going to make us come up 204 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: with creative new ways to do business that we may 205 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: stick with after this is over. UM, it may completely change, 206 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: and I think it probably will. This may completely change 207 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: the way nonprofit conservation groups do business. It's going to 208 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: change the way a lot of America does business after this, 209 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: even after the disease is no longer a threat. So 210 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: there will be some good that comes out of this, 211 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, us being forced to learn some new digital 212 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: ways to reach people in fundraise and UM get our 213 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: message out and do our work. UM. That's that's going 214 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: to be beneficial in the end. Yeah, speaking of of 215 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: things going increasingly digital, I know that you guys have 216 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: have put a lot of time and effort into the 217 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: digital Dear Steward one of course, and that's something that 218 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: people might have a little more time at home and 219 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: available free time to engage with something like that. And 220 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: that's also a way to support what you guys are 221 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: doing too. Is that something you can explain a little 222 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: bit about. Yeah, you know, UM, and you've been involved 223 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: with our Dear Steward course, which is our kind of 224 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: advanced dear training UM and Level one is uh. We 225 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: used to do it in person, but a few years 226 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: ago we went totally online with Level one. We videoed 227 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: UM one of the events and UM all of the 228 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: speakers giving their PowerPoint presentations, and we and Clemson University 229 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: helped us get it online so that anyone can go 230 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: any hour of the day or week, can sign up, 231 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: pay and get your keys and blog on and start 232 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: watching the videos. At home. It's like sixteen hours of 233 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: instruction from various speakers. So this was already in place, UM, 234 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: we wanted to be able to reach more people with 235 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: it who couldn't travel to do an in person Level 236 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: one class. We kept Level two in person. That is 237 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: still the you know, the hands on event where you 238 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: go and you spend a weekend with these instructors and 239 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: you're outdoors and you're you know, planning food plots in 240 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: burning woods and aging jawbones and you know all of 241 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: the hands on type stuff um that you that you 242 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: really can't dig into in an online class. But Level 243 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: one is online sixteen hours of instruction. We did go 244 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: in and reduce the price some to kind of help 245 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: folks out during this bunchtime because we're all looking at 246 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, financial crunches some extent. And but you know, 247 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: if you're stuck at home, you're sheltering at home, and 248 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: and you've painted the entire interior of your house, and 249 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: you've rebuilt the deck and you know, done um everything else, 250 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: mode the lawn uh twenty times and you really just 251 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: want something else to do. Read all the books in 252 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: your bookcase uh and finished all of Netflix. Then you know, 253 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: this is a great way to um learn about deer hunting, 254 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: uh and become a dear ninja at home with these 255 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: instructors watching these video instructions. You know, it's not reading, 256 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: it's not it's uh, you know, pretty fun video. It's 257 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: pretty informative and fun instruction. Uh. So yeah, we're putting 258 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: that out there. It's we were very fortunate that was 259 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: already set up in online and we didn't have to 260 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: create that too, uh to deal with this situation. We 261 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: could jump right on it and say, hey, you know, 262 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: drop the price a little bit to help folks out 263 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: and great way to uh to learn about deer while 264 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: you're stuck at home. Well, like you mentioned, I got 265 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: to be a part of one of those in person 266 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: classes I don't know about a decade ago now, which 267 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: is kind of crazy, and that was that was such 268 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: an important education event for me just in my growth 269 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: as a deer hunter and as a communicator. And it's 270 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: one of those first was early early in my in 271 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: my career, I guess, and so so helpful. I mean, 272 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: it's not just deer hunting. I mean we're talking dear biology, 273 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: dear you know, habitat needs um. I mean it's just 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: just fascinating, fascinating stuff. I I thought it was very 275 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: very well worth the time. I think I think if somebody, 276 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, if they if it got the deck 277 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: done and the honey deal list is checked off, I 278 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: would highly recommend checking out this course because if if 279 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: you love deer and deer hunting and you want to 280 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: better understand the creature, their needs, how we can help, 281 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: how we can hunt them, all that kind of stuff, 282 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a few resources I can think of 283 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: that are probably, um probably better than this. So how 284 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: do they How do folks find this if they want 285 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: to sign up for the course and participate, how do 286 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: they get in there? The real easy shortcut we set 287 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: up is qtum a dot com slash d S one 288 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: as in dear Stewart ds one after qtmy dot com. 289 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: You can also just go to the qt May homepage 290 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: and look under the conserve menu and you'll find dear 291 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Steward with all of the stuff. The in person classes. 292 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: UM we did have a May level two course in 293 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Alabama that we have postponed. UM. I believe we've still 294 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: got a habitat module in Pennsylvania in August. UM. So 295 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: that's still going on at this point may not be postponed, 296 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: so all of them. You can find out all about 297 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: the dear stewart stuff at the in the conserve menu, 298 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: or like I said, go straight to the online level 299 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: one class at q d M a dot com slash 300 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: ds one and you sign up online, um, and you know, 301 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: dive in immediately with the videos. It's all as you know, 302 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and you've taken the course. Our instructors are professors, wild apologists. 303 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: This is all science based stuff, um, but all deer hunters. UM. 304 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: I've even we've had folks with state agencies reach out 305 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: to us in the last few weeks and ask about 306 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: getting their staff signed up to take this while they're 307 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: stuck at home. So um, you know some of your 308 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: professional deer managers and your state agency are deer stewards. 309 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: So this is yeah, it's top level, reliable, science based information, 310 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: just like everything else we put out. Yeah, it's it's 311 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: it's good. It's not a knucklehead like me try and 312 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: tell you what to do. It's it's the real deal. 313 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: So highie highly recommended. UM. With with that in mind, 314 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: kind of this this uh holistic educational opportunity, you guys 315 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: other with DS one that that's also why I want 316 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: to talk to you, Lindsay right now, because there's not 317 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, we we can't go traveling all over the 318 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: country right now for a lot of people. Um, we 319 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: can't for a lot of people go to work as normal. 320 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: But something that hopefully many of us can still do 321 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: is go to our hunting properties um or public land 322 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: hopefully and and do some work to try to improve 323 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: these places where we're able when budget allows all that 324 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I know that a lot of 325 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the things I've seen you share over the years related 326 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: to this always always resonated with me, whether it be 327 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: because you found creative ways to do things with less money, 328 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: or because you're finding ways to improve habitat for deer 329 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: while also benefiting other benefiting other species, or doing things 330 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: in a low impact manner. Um. So I just kind 331 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: of want to pick your brain and all things deer 332 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: and wildlife habitat management right now. UM. I don't know, 333 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just it's something that I think can 334 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: take our energy and attention off of the negative stuff 335 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: and help us reavert it towards something positive. Uh. And 336 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: you seem like the perfect person help us do that, 337 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: So thank you. You know, is it fair to say 338 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: that this is the kind of topic you enjoy talking 339 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: about I do. I mean, I'm a deer hunter and 340 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: I love diving into deer in their biology. But habitat 341 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: is you know, the slip side of the coin for me, um, 342 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: I love. You know a lot of people know me. No, 343 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: I love planting trees and growing trees and plant food plots, 344 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: but messing with native plants to and cover and forage 345 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: and just learning about plants, and to me, you know, 346 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: that's that's just goes hand in hand with deer management 347 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: because to manage a deer population for optimal help, you 348 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: know the habitat there, understanding that and how they live 349 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: in it and how they benefit from it, and how 350 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: the deer themselves impact the habitat, and your management of 351 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the herd results in quality habitat or poor habitat. Um. Yeah, 352 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: it just kind of all goes together. So yeah, I'm 353 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: passionate about both sides of it. Hunting the animal, but 354 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: you know the other months of the year when I 355 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: can be hunting them, um, messing around with plants and land. 356 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: It's it's such a great way to engage with it 357 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: and just become more part of that whole cycle going 358 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: on out there. How long have you been doing this 359 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: as far as actually actively improving or managing or or 360 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: working on habitat and some capacity. UM. I can remember 361 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: being younger than ten years old going along with dad 362 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: doing prescribed fire burning woods. I mean, you know, as 363 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: a kid, burning anything, it's fun, you know, So getting 364 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: to go along and light the light things on fire 365 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: and see that process was exciting and fun, but also 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: occasional learn learning and understanding why we did that and 367 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: what the benefits were. And even at around that same age, 368 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: my dad would order tree seedlings every year and uh 369 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: and take us with him. We'd go out and I 370 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: was you know, yeah, we ran the post hole diggers 371 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: dig in the hole of my brother and I did 372 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: for the tree seedlings, and we planted things that, you know, 373 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: crab apples and for simmons and oak trees and things 374 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: that we could hunt around one day and actually are 375 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: now has grown in hunting around some of those trees 376 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: that we planted when we were kids. So that just 377 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, just like learning to hunt from my dad, 378 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: so did the love of of habitat. UM My dad 379 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: was a farmer and and I know he planted what 380 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: was the first food plot I ever knew of, or 381 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: saw um in uh in South Georgia. Not obviously one 382 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: of the first plannings anybody ever did for deer, but 383 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: he was early on setting aside a little patch over 384 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: here and planning rye um and you know, setting that 385 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: aside for the you're for hunting season. So yeah, that 386 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: just was ingrained in me um from a very young 387 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: age by my dad. And you've been then doing something 388 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: along these lines professionally for for at least as long 389 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: as I've known you so well over a decade now 390 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: as well. I asked this because I think that I'm 391 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: guessing that you have an interesting perspective on this given 392 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: what you do. I'm wondering what you've seen as far 393 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: as how this, how this community or this activity has 394 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: changed over the years. You know, how how do you 395 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: see how habitat management is practiced or how it's promoted? Um, 396 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: how has that advanced or changed the most in your 397 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: time paying attention to this stuff? What's different now? There 398 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: are definitely some big sweeping trends you see across you know, 399 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: my lifetime from like I said, witnessing some of the 400 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: first hunters becoming interested in planting things for deer, whether 401 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: it's trees or food plots, and seeing the food plot 402 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: industry come along on a national level during the early 403 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, the late eighties and nineties for sure, and 404 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: um into the two thousand's and become you know, a 405 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: big industry um. But then also seeing that um that 406 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: really I'm not sure whether the quality deer management philosophy 407 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: lead to people being interested in food plots or the 408 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: reverse or a little both, because you know you can 409 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: if you start once you start getting interested in the 410 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: health of the deer you're hunting, you start thinking how 411 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: could I improve what they eat? And then you get 412 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: into planning food plots and then what that ultimately leads 413 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: to and I think has in a big, in a 414 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: big sweeping trend. After you're done with the food plot, 415 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: you start looking beyond the border of that literally and 416 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: figuratively into the woods and going, well, what else can 417 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: I do? What you know, what should those woods look like? 418 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: What else should be out there for the deer? And 419 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: you start stepping into the woods and and looking at 420 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: what you can do there, um and to improve forage 421 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: and cover. And that's I'd say that's really the broad 422 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: a transition that I've seen is going through a period 423 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: of interest in quality to deer management, passing young bucks 424 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: eventually you know, learning to take the right number of 425 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: those when you need to take some planning food plots 426 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: hand in hand with that, both of the hunting approach 427 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: and as you know, from a nutritional standpoint, But then 428 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: that process leading to greater and greater curiosity about other techniques. 429 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: Things you don't have to plant, how to encourage things 430 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: that are just out there already naturally, how to get 431 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: rid of things that aren't supposed to be there so 432 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: you can have more of the beneficial species, you know, 433 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: learning about fire, learning about timber management, and identifying plants 434 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: and and all of this has That's that seems to 435 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: be where we are now. Folks are still planning food plots, 436 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: and we always will, I know I always will, UM, 437 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: But I see more and more folks stepping beyond the 438 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: edge of the food plot into the forest, looking like 439 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: you said, using that word holistic, looking at the whole 440 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: picture of deer habitat and what they need, um in 441 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: terms of cover and forage in the works beyond just 442 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: what you can plant, UM. And that's that seems to 443 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: be where we are today, is a greater interest in 444 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: um holistic management of deer habitat. And at the same time, 445 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, when the if you come in and bringing 446 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: it back to food plots, UM, you mentioned kind of 447 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: the low impact food plots that that has become in 448 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: the last few years. A greater question we get is 449 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: people asking more and more. Okay, look, I know about 450 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: food plots, I know about planning and we need control 451 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: and all that, but I want to do it without 452 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: spraying weeds. I want to do it without fertilizer. I 453 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: want to do it, you know, without causing erosion. I 454 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: want to Can I do that? Can I do a 455 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: green low impact food plots? So we're seeing those questions, UM, 456 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: which you know raises the point that how you don't 457 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: even have to do food plots if you really don't 458 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: want to. We can talk about the all the things 459 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: you can do from an habitat standpoint to to fill 460 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: those needs of deer. And if you don't want to 461 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: plant things, you don't have to. So UM, Yeah, that 462 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: that seems to be where we are now. Greater interests, 463 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing increasing numbers of people using prescribed fire, um, 464 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: using wise timber management, um, all of that seems to 465 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: be where we're going now. In your role at QT MAY, 466 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that you engage and 467 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: kind of get to get a lot of feedback from 468 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: lots and lots of hunters and habitat managers out there, 469 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: and you've got pretty good finger on the pulse. I 470 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: think of what people are doing and what people are 471 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: not doing. If I gave you a magic wand and 472 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: I gave you the ability or maybe say I'm a 473 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: genie in a bottle and you could rub the bottle 474 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: and I came out and I was gonna give you 475 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: one wish. Let's let's bring it this way. I'm gonna 476 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: give you one wish that you could ask for in 477 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: regards to getting hunters to do one thing that not 478 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: enough people do or they don't pay enough attention to 479 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: this thing. We're gonna say one thing beyond food plots 480 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: that you wish you could get people to jump on 481 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: board with and get into it. What would that wish 482 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: be or what would you do with that with that 483 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: special power I'm granting you right now? Wow? Wow, oh man, 484 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: that's uh. You know several things come to mind there. Okay, 485 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: so one thing beyond food plots, you say, and then 486 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: what I got to tell you that the one rule 487 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: of genes in the bottles. You can't wish for more wishes, 488 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: So don't try to gain the system and just get 489 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: you just get. One thing is I'm picturing wheel Smith. 490 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: Just watched The Laddin with my daughters just last week. 491 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Wasn't too long ago. I watched that one too, my son. 492 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: Oh man, so many Oh, I can't wish for more wishing, 493 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think it would be um so many. 494 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: But one I think the first, literally the first thing 495 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: that jumped into my head. I'll just go with that 496 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: one is to get hunters to let other hunters hunt 497 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: like they want to um. In other words, look, we 498 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: all have our priorities in hunting, whether that is look 499 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: I just want to put some venison in the freezer, 500 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: or we want to do like I do where you know, 501 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: you want to have a balanced age structure. You want 502 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: to see more of the rut behaviors. You want to 503 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: see more adult bucks out there. You want to have 504 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: the right number of deer on the habitat. Take those 505 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: when you need to improve the habitat and all of that. 506 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: But you know, I think I just wish all deer 507 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: hunters kind of understood that that there's many many forms 508 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: of other deer hunters, um and as long as we're 509 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: all doing it legally and according to the rules, than 510 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: we should support each other and what whatever choice that is, 511 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: and certainly not judge each other, and certainly not belittle 512 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: anyone because they approach deer hunting differently than I do 513 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: or someone else did. Um. I don't know. That's that 514 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: doesn't really get us. It doesn't really advance knowledge or um, 515 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, improve anything for for deer and habitat. But 516 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: I think it does improve the culture of deer hunting. 517 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: That's that's something I just see a lot of And 518 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: I know that social media and the Internet have made 519 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: a lot of that possible because people will say and 520 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: do anything on the Internet. We know that, um. But 521 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: I think that's what I'd like to see. It's just 522 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: more understanding of deer hunters for the different ways people 523 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: approach deer hunting, and acceptance of and support for folks 524 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: who deer hunt no matter how they do it. Yeah, 525 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: that's that's a a very good point, A well uh 526 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: A well thought through and in great use of your wish. 527 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: I will say though, that you you did successfully gain 528 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the system, because now I'm going to give you another 529 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: one because you didn't answer the way I wanted to 530 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: Lindsay's good of an answer as it was, so you 531 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: you win the game, you beat the genie. Uh. So 532 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: answer me with a second wish, something specific to habitat improvement, 533 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: that you wish folks would start doing more, because I'm 534 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: going to go into the assumption like you kind of 535 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: laid this out that most people food plots is the 536 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: first thing I think of, And even though we're getting 537 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: more and more to the point that people are looking 538 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: at the broader horizons, still I still think that food 539 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: plots suck a lot of the oxygen out of the 540 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: room to the sexy option. Um. But there's all these 541 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: other things that you alluded to that people can be 542 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: doing that can make a great impact, possibly with less 543 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: time or money invested, possibly with less potential negative impacts 544 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: of chemicals or different things like that. Um, if you 545 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: could use your second wish to get hunters to adopt 546 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: one of these other things or change their habitat management, 547 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: philosophy in one way or another. What would that be? 548 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: That's that's where're gonna push you. Okay, then let me 549 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: just say that I'd wish that, Um, all deer hunters 550 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: could walk into the woods they hunt right now and 551 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: no by sight ten important native plants that need to 552 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: be there for deer, they're important to deer, and ten 553 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: non native plants that need to go. Okay, because let's 554 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: start there. If you can do that, even if it's 555 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: only five, if you can you know, small handful. Um, 556 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: if if the average deer hunter knew that could identify 557 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: important plants they see around them and important plants that 558 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: are uh, non native plants that are damaging or taking 559 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: space away from those valuable native plants, then you can 560 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: start doing all the things we can do to encourage 561 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: those that are there that that true that dear need. 562 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: And part of that encouragement comes from removing the ones 563 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: that are you know, usurping that space. So plan I 564 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: D skills. You know it starts from there. You know 565 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: you I don't care what you set out to go 566 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: do today. UM can cut, burn some woods, hacking scored 567 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: um you know, burn an old field, manage an old field, whatever, 568 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: it is. If you can't identify the trees you want 569 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: to cut or might cut the trees, you're gonna leave 570 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: the trees, you're gonna inge cut the plants you're trying 571 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: to encourage. You know, if you can't identify them, those 572 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: efforts might be misplaced, um might be even causing damage. 573 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: So it all starts from from knowing a few species 574 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: out there. So yeah, if I'm wishing, I'm gonna say ten. 575 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: But what I would tell your listeners is start with one. 576 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: This is not a you know, you don't have to 577 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: pick up a field guide and learn every single plant 578 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: in there before you step outdoors. It's not that big 579 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: of a task, you know. It's Yeah, if you look 580 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: around the woods at all the plants immediately that you 581 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: may not know, it can be pretty over filming. But 582 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: just start with some of the most common ones. If 583 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: you learn one of the single most common beneficial tree 584 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: out there and one of the single most common invasive 585 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: or non native that's out there, you know you can start. 586 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: You can start making a difference. Yeah, is there, there's 587 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: my ways. Let's begin with plan I do. That's a 588 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: good wish. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you give a 589 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: high five for that one. That's that's uh, that's perfect 590 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: for where I wanted to go, and thank you for 591 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: teeing me up, but I failed on the first one. No, 592 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: you just give us a really good bonus, a good 593 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: bonus one which is which is helpful too, which is important. Um. 594 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: But if people want to do what you're talking about, 595 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: and they don't have a mentor or a family member 596 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: who can show them some of these things, UM, what 597 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: would be a resource or two that you recommend? Is 598 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: there anything out there a book or an app or 599 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: a website or I don't know anything that you've used 600 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: to help begin this plan and I d education. Um, 601 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: i'd say for anybody starting all of the above that 602 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: you just said books, apps, there are apps, um. High 603 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: Naturalist is one that comes to mind, and there are others. 604 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: If you just search, you'll find a bunch and they 605 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: are they are becoming rapidly advanced. I can't remember the 606 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: name of one I saw advertise just the other day, 607 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: but it was you know, you can take a photo 608 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: of the leaf and then scans it and give you 609 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: some options or and then there are others that you 610 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: can upload photos to a community based crowdsource resource that 611 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: that can help you identify, you know through apps, and 612 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: some of the apps are just basic guides field gods. 613 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: So there's that, there's books. Um you know, when I 614 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: haven't used a lot of the apps honestly because um, 615 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: I learned most of what I know a long time ago, 616 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: and I mean I'm still learning new ones as I go. 617 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: But UM, you know, if if the if the job 618 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 1: was learned the top ten, um, you know, I'm already there. 619 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: And it was a long time before anybody had a 620 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: smartphone or an app. So but for someone new, there 621 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: are apps. You know, you can get your your field guides. 622 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: There are national field guides for for different regions East, Southeast, Northeast, Midwest. 623 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: There are state specific field guides. UM. I check with 624 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: your state agency, both your state wildlife agency and your 625 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: forestry agency see what online resources they have. There are 626 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: a lot of those, um and ultimately what you can do. 627 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: Many of those agencies have people who will schedule a 628 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: time right now. Maybe not you know, because we're social distancing, 629 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: but under normal, normal circumstances would schedule time to come 630 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: out and talk with you have a forester come out 631 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: and you know, if you own the land, walk through, 632 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: have them show you some of the valuable trees from 633 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: a timber standpoint, valuable trees from a wildlife standpoint. Like 634 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: I said, you just get them to show you the 635 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: most common ones, um, both beneficial and those that probably 636 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: should go. So you can get folks to walk with you. 637 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned friends, family, you know, ask around, just somebody 638 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: who is knowledgeable. Maybe you know somebody who's a forester 639 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: um and just you know, trade him some venison or 640 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: a turkey hunt or some fishing or something like that, 641 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: and have them come out and spend a few hours 642 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: walking around with you, teaching you just a few. Like 643 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 1: I said, don't try to bite it all off at once. 644 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: Don't go out and look at all the woods and 645 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: expect to go home that day knowing them all. You're 646 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: not and you're not going to remember the ones. You 647 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: identify someone you don't see commonly enough or only during 648 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: certain seasons, and by next year when it comes back, 649 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: you're you forgot what it was. That's okay. Um, the 650 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: most common ones start there, because it's kind of like 651 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: um sweet gums. A sweet gum is a native tree 652 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: to the southeast. Um. There's nothing wrong with it just 653 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have any wilife benefit that I know, uh, and 654 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: it is extremely prolific. It's one of the first shrubs 655 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: saplings to pop up in disturbed areas and then quickly 656 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: grows and crowds out and shades out everything else. So 657 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: it's got invasive tendencies. Even though it's not a non native, 658 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: it is a native tree well in the southeast. If 659 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: you can learn to identify a sweet gum with leaves 660 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: and also by bar in the winter when the leaves 661 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: are gone, which is not that difficult, you can keep 662 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: yourself busy from now to eternity killing sweet gum trees. 663 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, I could send you out there and say, look, 664 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: go kill all the sweet gums, come back and let 665 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: me know when you need to learn another tree. And 666 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: it did a long time before you came back. Um, 667 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: So you could be having enormous benefits to dear habitat 668 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: by cutting down and killing sweet gum trees and opening 669 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: up that space to something else and never know how 670 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: to identify another tree. So that's why emphasize Look, just 671 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: start with a few. Start with the most common ones, 672 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: either that you want to encourage or that you want 673 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: to get rid of UM, but yeah, a lot of 674 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: resources apps field God's friends but especially state agencies talked 675 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: to those clothes and get some help there. Yeah, I 676 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: can at least vouch for UM. The app I last 677 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: year started using I Naturalist like you mentioned, and that 678 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: is very helpful. I mean most everything I look at there, 679 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. So I take a 680 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: picture of it and yet scans the leaf and it 681 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: gives you a handful of potential options and then you 682 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: can click the potential options and then look at more 683 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: pictures and then you can match it up and so 684 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: works works pretty darn well. Um. I've also got a 685 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: guide from Dr Craig Harper that is a great resource 686 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: for a lot of like old field species early successional 687 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: type plants. That has been helpful to me too. So 688 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: that's I can't remember what that one is called, but um, 689 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: but that was a helpful through. The newest edition is 690 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: called Wildlife Food Plots and Early Successional Plants UM, and 691 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: we do sell it at QTMA dot com. So plug 692 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: baill um Wildlife Food Plots and Early Successional Plants great, great, 693 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: great habitat book, and yeah, Dr Craig hard persibent and 694 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: enormous uh influence on me throughout his career. There's another one, 695 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got I've got one called Forest Plants 696 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: of the Southeast and their Wildlife Uses. Dr Carl Miller 697 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: at U g A. Was one of the co authors 698 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: on that. That's a very good one if you're in 699 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: the Southeast. There are other books for other regions, you know. 700 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: There's there's one called Weeds of the Northeast that is 701 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: pretty good just for helping you identified because you know, 702 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: we don't don't anybody that hears that word don't don't 703 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: be frightened away by the word weed. Many of the 704 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 1: things we call weeds or things do you eat. So um, Yeah, 705 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of good books out there. So 706 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: here's the big thing though, when it comes to this 707 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: topic of you you've alluded to, which is we need 708 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: to be able to identify species so that we know 709 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: how to take the proper management action. We know what 710 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: to remove, what to keep. Um there's I have all 711 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: sorts of questions and moments of confusion when considering this topic. 712 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: Because you can look at a tree or a quote 713 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: unquote weed, or a forb or a pile of brush 714 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: or something and you can look at and say, Okay, 715 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: is this beneficial to wildlife or not beneficial to wildlife? 716 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: Is this native or is this non native? Is this 717 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: invasive or non invasive? And all these different sides of 718 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: the coin would lead you to think that you should 719 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: keep or remove, encourage or discourage. Um and they don't 720 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: always match up though, so like there might be a 721 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: species that's non native but very beneficial to wildlife, or 722 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: at least it seems to me like, hey, this is 723 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: the best cover I've got around, and deer are packed 724 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: in there. Why would I want to cut out all 725 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: of my automotive when I've got all these deer using 726 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: it is the best betting in the area. Um so. 727 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: And I know I'm not the only one who Deevan's 728 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: questions because I see these conversations and debates pop up 729 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: on YouTube and on Facebook and social media. Um So, 730 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: I I still don't know how to make sense out 731 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: of it. It seems like the moral thing to do 732 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: is removed non native things or that like it's it 733 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: seems to be that there's this push to do that 734 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: more and more. Um and So I want to try 735 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: to understand that, but I'm still figuring it out. Can 736 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: you help me with that? Yeah? I think so, Um, 737 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: because yeah, you're try not to go into the moral ground. 738 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not telling people to get rid of 739 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: invasive species because it's the right thing to do. Um. 740 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: But doesn't that doesn't doesn't it seem like that's an 741 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: argument that we hear today. I mean not necessarily in 742 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: the dear world, but I mean this whole native versus 743 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: non native thing is everywhere where. There's debates about mountain 744 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: goats in Grand Teton National Park being removed right now 745 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: because they were introduced there and they're not native to 746 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: that specific ecosystems, so we're taking them out. Um. You're 747 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: seeing this with trout, You're seeing this with you know, 748 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: it's it's everywhere. It's not just dear habitat. But yeah, 749 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: I start to interrupt you if you take this far 750 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: enough back with the whole native versus non native and 751 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, moral approach, You and 752 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: I are an invasive species. Are we gonna remove ourselves 753 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: from North America? Um? You know, this landscape has changed dramatically, 754 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: and it always has and and was changing before there 755 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: were people. You know, continents drifted together, and animals and 756 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: plants that weren't together before suddenly were through natural processes. 757 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: So this is nothing new. Certainly, we have sped up 758 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: the process in the last one two hundred, three hundred 759 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: years in North America by you know, vastly increasing the 760 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: flow of plants and animals and u and viruses and 761 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: bacteria and every kind of you know, insects into this 762 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: country that didn't along here. So we've kind of overwhelmed 763 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: the system. So you can't really go down that that 764 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,479 Speaker 1: path of get of everything that don't belonging here, because 765 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, You'll, you just can't 766 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: achieve that that's that's not achievable. Um. So when it 767 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: comes to this whole, you know, and I've heard the 768 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: apologists for things like automolive. I know what you're talking about. Hey, 769 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: it has benefits dearer betting in this or dear or 770 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: eating it. We can talk about Chinese private which we 771 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of here at qt May Headquarters and 772 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: in the South Eastern General and probably I think the 773 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: all of the East, um. And it's similar to automolive. 774 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: And then it forms the deep deep tickets that head 775 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: out and shade everything else out and there's nothing else 776 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: there but but privot and and it eventually gets out 777 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: of reach of the deer and they do bed up 778 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: under there, just like with automolive. Um. I think when 779 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: I go back to a phrase that I heard Craig 780 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: Harper say. He was we were having a habitat work 781 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: day here at the headquarters. He was leading it. I 782 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: was actually filming him, and while he was talking to 783 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: the group, we stopped and we're looking at some briggs 784 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: of Chinese private that were coming up in deer had 785 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: browed it. You could see that they've been hitting it. 786 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: They will brow Chinese private in winter especially, and Craig 787 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: pointed that out. Yes, dear, we'll use this, they'll eat it. 788 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,959 Speaker 1: It can be valuable winter food if that's what they've got. 789 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: But Craig said, you can do better, and that's what 790 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: has stuck with me since then, that phrase you can 791 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: do better. You can do better than autumolive, you can 792 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: do better than private. Now that doesn't apply to every 793 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: single non native plant. Let's let's clarify that. I think 794 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: that also speaks to what you're asking me here. If 795 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: you list all of the non native plants out there 796 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: where you hunt. I don't care what part of the 797 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: country you're in. Here in the southeast, we've got them. 798 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: You've got them, North, Midwest, Northeast, We've all got them. 799 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: There's some overlapping species, but for the most part, most 800 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: of us in different regions have a different suite of 801 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,919 Speaker 1: non native plants out there. And there's a whole long 802 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: list of them, a bunch of them, but it's a 803 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: pretty small percentage of all those nonnative plants that are 804 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: truly invasive, meaning they are aggressive and difficult to control. Uh, 805 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: and that they take over, that they form mono cultures 806 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 1: that lockout any other plant, native or non native. And 807 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,359 Speaker 1: those are the ones where you can do better. They 808 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: have benefits like deer browsing on embedding in prive it, 809 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: like deer bedding in automotive Um, you know, we can. 810 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: We can run down the list here, um of other 811 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: things we can talk about kad zoo. Uh. There are 812 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: some there are some invasive nonnatives that have no benefits 813 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: and that's a no brainer. Um, they have no benefits 814 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: for deer and they should go. But there are some 815 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: that you can the apologists will say this has good benefits. 816 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: There's this is good bad and cover or the deer 817 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: browsing this. But with those you can do better. You 818 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: can do better than Chinese private. And that's one of 819 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: the things we've been doing on my family's land is 820 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: getting rid of Chinese private. And and we can talk 821 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: about how we did that. And I can talk about 822 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: walking through there just a few weeks ago, where we 823 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: over the last two years got rid of a bad 824 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: bad thicket hell um private, hell um, and what's coming 825 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: up there now and seeing the deer eat it, the 826 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: native plants that are coming up there now, and seeing 827 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: that I'm doing better automolive, the deer may bed in there. 828 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,479 Speaker 1: I'm just here to tell you you can do better 829 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: than that. So yeah, so you should get sorry and 830 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: illustrate that for me, what does better than those two 831 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: things look like and and and help help paint that 832 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: picture for what the alternative is. Well, for example, the 833 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: private that I'm that I'm dealing with, when I you know, 834 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: to paint a picture of it, it had done what 835 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: you often see with automolive in some of the worst areas, 836 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: and we got auto molive here too, but it hasn't 837 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: really I'm not aware any of the places that I 838 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: hunt where it has become you know, blanketed patches of 839 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: our large areas like I've seen private do, like I've 840 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: seen Kudzoo doo and some others. Um, but private, we've 841 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: we've had that situation probably we had five acres or 842 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: so of it and my family's land. Through an NRCS 843 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: program that that we're enrolled in, we were able to 844 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 1: get assistance from them. We had a multure come through 845 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: on the skid steer a contractor. They molsted it all down. 846 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: It looked beautiful, it was a nice park. But of 847 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: course the private is going to come back. All you've 848 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: done is pisted it off at that point and it's 849 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: going to come back from the route and the stump. 850 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: So what you had to do was follow up with 851 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: a nervous side treatment after that and when the private 852 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: started coming back from the stump, and and to finish 853 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: it off. And we will still be mopping some up, 854 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: will be spots praying on the periphery of that area 855 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: for a while. But walking through there recently, uh, just 856 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when I was down home 857 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: for a turn. You know, um, there are species popping 858 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: up in there now. Like American beauty berry, dog fennel, 859 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: wild grapes, other things that are good cover. I'm seeing 860 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 1: poke weed, I'm seeing partridge p which are good forage, 861 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: high quality forage, far better than private, far better than 862 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: private as forage. UM. I'm seeing wild flowers in that 863 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: area that UM. Some of them I have learned recently 864 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: because we didn't have them until we started releasing them. 865 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: They were there. I didn't have to plan anything until 866 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: we started releasing them by getting rid of the private 867 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,399 Speaker 1: So the diversity of things you see coming up in there, 868 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: UM is just amazing, and it is cover. It is 869 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: over time. It will be brooms edge, which is a 870 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,439 Speaker 1: native warm seasoned grass that we have in the southeast. Uh. 871 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: It will be dog fennel and other things deer don't eat, 872 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: like like the broom sedge that that make good cover. UM, 873 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: it will be soft mast it will be these wildflowers 874 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 1: that are good for pollinators. Dear don't necessarily eat all 875 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: of them. Some of them they eat, some money they don't, 876 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: but it's good for the pollinator community, for songbirds, migratory songbirds, butterflies, 877 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: the whole suite of things. But then the food in 878 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: there for deer is just way better than private is. 879 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: It's just better. So the whole situation you've created there 880 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: where that private once stood, is better for almost everything. 881 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: Whereas before you could say, well, when you walked in 882 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: under that, and some of it was so thick you 883 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: couldn't literally walk through it. I don't even think a 884 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: deer could bed down in there, it was so thick 885 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: and there was nothing in there but that private. So 886 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: the situation is just completely night and day in terms 887 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: of diversity of plant life and the benefits for a 888 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 1: host of of wildlife species. We can talk about turkeys 889 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: too and how they're using that area for nesting and 890 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: bugging and everything else, but there's just it's just night 891 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: and day difference. So if you've got a situation like 892 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: that with a very aggressive plant like autumotive um and 893 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: deer are betting there, just remember that when you get 894 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 1: rid of it, you're going to have stuff they'll still 895 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: bed in and other things will benefit from as well. 896 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: There'll be food they'll eat, there'll be wildflowers that will 897 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 1: be things for a whole host of different species. Now 898 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,359 Speaker 1: it's all situational. If you've got land in Michigan and 899 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: you've got a giant ten acre patch of solid autumnolive 900 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: and that's the only cover from miles. Yeah, you don't 901 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: want to go out there and eliminate that all overnight, 902 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,879 Speaker 1: because yeah, you've just gotten rid of all your cover. 903 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: In a situation like that, I wouldn't tell you to 904 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: do that. Um. Just like everything else, you want to 905 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: break things up in patches so that at any given 906 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: time you're offering a diversity of different stages of cover. 907 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: But eventually I would say you should start getting rid 908 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: of that a patch at a time and converting it 909 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: piece by piece to something different that you can put 910 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: on a rotational basis, because you'll be doing better. You 911 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: can do better than that blocked out um automolive ticket. Yeah, 912 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: and that was exactly what I was going to ask 913 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: you about next, which was trying to understand how to 914 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: prioritize where and when, because I think it was maybe 915 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: dugg Dern or somebody I was talking about this with 916 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: who said, you know, trying to go your full scale 917 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: war on automolive or something like that, or buck thorn 918 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: or whatever species you're dealing with, it could just take 919 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: up all your time. You'll never never be able to 920 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: completely beat it in most in many cases at least. Um. 921 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: So he recommended trying to do what you can, have 922 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: a management approach, have a plan, fare out where your 923 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: highest priority places are, and do what you can there. Um. 924 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: And and that that's got me thinking about, Okay, how 925 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: do you how do you pick your spots? How do 926 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: you rank order? Okay, this is the most important you know, 927 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: invasive species management? I can do. I guess I'm curious 928 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,439 Speaker 1: or what I'm trying to get at is is how 929 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: do we go about deciding how to actually try to 930 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: manage this. We can't wave a wine and have it 931 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: all go away. Um, how do you pick your poisons 932 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: or pick your spots? Um? In that kind of way? Yeah, 933 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: I asked this question not too long ago. I was 934 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: talking with Mark Turner, who is at Auburn University right now. Um, 935 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: he was at the Southeast Dear Study Group. He just 936 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: got done with some research into the forest stand Improvement 937 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: method f S. I now, that's a term that Craig 938 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,320 Speaker 1: Harper coined two offset the concept from timber stand improvement, 939 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: which he thinks the word timber tends to evoke commercial 940 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: timber harvest and management. And I agree with him there. 941 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 1: So he came up with f SI Forest and Improvement 942 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: to talk about what you and I do when we 943 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: walk outside with a chainsaw and try to improve covering 944 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,399 Speaker 1: forage for deer. So Mark did some Mark Turner did 945 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: some some research into forest stand improvement with some different 946 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: treatment areas, and he and I we're talking about his 947 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: results and all that. This is something we've been doing 948 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: at QTY headquarters under Craig's guidance. Um, I've learned a 949 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: lot from him in that process and and been practicing 950 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 1: a lot of what I've been learning from him here 951 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: at qt May. But I asked Mark, I said, you know, same, 952 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,439 Speaker 1: same similar question. Okay, so we've got a hundred fifty 953 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: acres that qt May my family has landed south east Georgia. 954 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 1: What whatever it is you're dealing with where if you're 955 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,399 Speaker 1: hunting a hundred acres or ten acres, you can't walk 956 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 1: out there today with your chainsaw and go I'm gonna 957 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: do all of this today, or I'm gonna start in 958 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: on this corner and work my way all the way across. 959 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: That's just not manageable. Whatever did you're trying to do, 960 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: whether you're sending the forest, to produce for aging cover 961 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,280 Speaker 1: of killing invasive species, all the above, what you know, whatever, 962 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: all at once, you can't tackle it, and all at 963 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: one time you'll go nuts, you will lose track of 964 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: the work you've done, You'll it's just you can't take 965 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: it that way. So I asked Mark, you know, what's 966 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 1: the what's the best way to decide where you start 967 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: with forest and improvement if you're gonna do it. And 968 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: he had a pretty simple answer that made a lot 969 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: of sense to me. He said, how about start with 970 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: a place that you can easily put fire breaks around, 971 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: because then you can come back and burn it. And 972 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Um. 973 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: In the Southeast we use prescribe fire a lot. There's 974 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: no reason you can't use it in the North, as 975 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about before, and more and 976 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: more people now are using prescribe fire. So whether we're 977 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: talking about burning woods or hardwoods, or whether we're talking 978 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 1: about burning an old field, you know, prescribe fire is 979 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: an important follow up method for maintaining the early successional 980 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: covering for it you've created through your daylight work, through 981 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: your invasive removal work. Fire helps you easily come back 982 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,320 Speaker 1: and reset the clock on those taches. So, following Mark's advice, 983 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,879 Speaker 1: if it made me think, you know, you really need 984 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: to divide things up in the patches. Ultimately with fire 985 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: things work best on a rotation. We can get into 986 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: that in terms of the interval of the time interval, 987 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 1: because it varies depending on the part of the country 988 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: you're in, the length of your growing season, and what 989 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,960 Speaker 1: your ultimate goals are for wildlife. But you once you 990 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 1: have treated a patch, whether you're removing invasives, whether you're 991 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: daylighting the forest, whatever it might be, and you follow 992 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 1: up with fire, you're gonna want to come back through 993 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: there and follow up with fire again at some interval 994 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: to reset the clock on that cover again and set 995 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: it back to zero. When I say color, I mean 996 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: the understory cover. So starting by designated A a patch 997 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: that you can easily put fire breaks around, or that 998 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,880 Speaker 1: already has fire breaks around, whether that's a creek and 999 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,880 Speaker 1: a woods road, a field edge, a fire break that 1000 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,319 Speaker 1: already exists, or someone or a place where you could 1001 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: easily put one in. Start there and go, oh okay, 1002 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: I could easily put fire breaks where they already exist 1003 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 1: around patch A. So I'm gonna start in Patch A, 1004 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: which is one acre or five acres, whatever it is, 1005 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,920 Speaker 1: some small manageable size for you, depending on whether you've 1006 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: got you know, family and folks friends that can help you, 1007 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 1: or it's just you and your chainsaw, and start in 1008 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: and do that patch first, whatever it might be. Putting sunlight, 1009 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: more sunlight on the ground, killing automotive, killing the privot 1010 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: that's in there, killing all the major invasive trees and 1011 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: shrubs that you can find in there, and putting some 1012 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: on the ground, and then following up with some fire 1013 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 1: then you can start next year on patch B and 1014 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: Patch C and Patch D and so forth. Now, so 1015 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: fire breaks would be one way to look at the 1016 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: easiest way to pick your first target area. The second one, 1017 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: I think obviously would be your hunting strategy, if not 1018 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: your first one, because when you improve these things, when 1019 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: you kill invasives, when you put sunlight on the ground, 1020 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: like I've seen and I was talking about a minute ago, 1021 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna start seeing forages and cover and things that 1022 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: deer eat that attracts them sometimes immediately. Um So this 1023 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: can affect your hunting strategy, your your hunting access. So 1024 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: think about if you're gonna be enhancing cover and in 1025 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: patch A, where do you want that cover ultimately to 1026 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: be in the picture of your your hunting infrastructure and 1027 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: where your stands are and how you reach those stands 1028 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: and where the dear bed and where they feed and 1029 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: how you want that all to flow. That's obviously I'm 1030 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 1: a very complicated UH formula to workout with your aerial 1031 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: map UM, and we probably don't want to dive into 1032 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: all that right now, But but that's where you start 1033 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: tick a patch and think about what makes the most 1034 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: sense from ease of access for you and equipment you 1035 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: need to get in there for fire breaks, for your 1036 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: follow up fire and for your hunting infrastructure, and just 1037 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: starting on bite size pieces UM. Then you know, as 1038 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: you get further down the road three, four or five years, 1039 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna be following back up at Patch A. It's 1040 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: time to burn Patch A again. So you're you're following 1041 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: through with fire and this keeps the maintenance and upkeep 1042 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: of the work you've done at a manageable level. Every year, 1043 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing a little burning, a little additional 1044 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: chainsaw work, NERB side work, and invasive removal work. But 1045 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: you're not doing it all at one time, and eventually 1046 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: you're going to get to a place where you know 1047 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: your cycle, you're cycling back and coming back to the places, 1048 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,439 Speaker 1: and it all gets easier from there. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 1049 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 1: that does make sense, and it's it's right in line 1050 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: with something we're trying to do on the on our 1051 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: back party property over here in Michigan. Um, we have 1052 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,600 Speaker 1: this area on the property that has a lot of 1053 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of automolive and buck thorn, and in the 1054 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 1: patches that that's not there though, we're getting We've got 1055 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: this really cool remnant prairie ecosystem with a lot of 1056 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: native prairie species that aren't found many of the places 1057 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: anymore in Michigan. They've all been paved over, hild up, etcetera. 1058 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: So we'd love to try to get some more of 1059 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: that in there. Um. So we're gonna try to manage 1060 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 1: some of those invasives through the processes you just outlined. 1061 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: But rather than trying to remove everything, which just seems 1062 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 1: daunting and impossible and hard to do with everything else, 1063 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm taking sort of that Patrick approach where I'm going 1064 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,760 Speaker 1: to try to, you know, just bite off a piece 1065 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: that I can manage, so taking up patches and then burning, 1066 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: and then you know, the next year we come in 1067 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 1: and take out a few more and maybe do a 1068 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: burn again in the new area. Um. But that leads 1069 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: me to a very tactical question, selfish tactical question. UM. 1070 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,200 Speaker 1: I was going to go in and start cutting down 1071 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,760 Speaker 1: um automolive and buckthorn at the base and then applying 1072 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 1: an herbicide to the cut stump. So doing the cut 1073 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: stump treatment is what I've been looking into, and it 1074 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: seems to be the best option I have with the 1075 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,680 Speaker 1: equipment I have. Um, But while I was researching this, 1076 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I read that they tell you least what I saw. 1077 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,919 Speaker 1: I said not to do this in the spring when 1078 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 1: plants are producing SAP. And that totally killed my buzz 1079 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 1: and really bummed me out because I wanted to do 1080 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,479 Speaker 1: that right now. Because I have the time, I can't 1081 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 1: do anything else but go to this property relatively close 1082 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: and do a little work. Um. Is that true? Or 1083 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 1: will I be okay? Can I get away with applying 1084 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: the herbiside on the cut stump now and it'll still 1085 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,280 Speaker 1: work and we're gonna come in and burn still a 1086 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: month from now or whatever? So that'll happen too. Can 1087 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I Can I do that work now or do I 1088 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,120 Speaker 1: really need to wait until summer or fall? I think 1089 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 1: you can. I asked Craig Harper about this because that 1090 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 1: was something I'd heard for a long time too. You 1091 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: can't do this in spring. Caused the sap flowing and 1092 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,120 Speaker 1: it will push the herb side out of the cut um. 1093 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 1: But you know, Craig has just like Mark Turner's new research, 1094 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Craig is Craig and his students at University of Tennessee. 1095 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: You've been researching this stuff for years. And you know 1096 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: what Craig said was, look if you if you girdle 1097 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: the tree or you cut this stump you're talking about, 1098 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: and you literally see sap flow out visibly um like 1099 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: you do with some species that at certain points of 1100 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: spring are very heavy sap producers. And literally with a cut, 1101 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, juice starts draining out. That's the the primary situation, 1102 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: he thinks, where the herbicide effectiveness is reduced. Otherwise with 1103 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: growing plants. When you do it, uh, you cut the 1104 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: stump or you girdle it um and there's not sap 1105 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,600 Speaker 1: literally flowing out visibly, you should be fine. So I 1106 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,840 Speaker 1: would say in those cases, go ahead, if you've got 1107 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,880 Speaker 1: time to do it, go ahead and do a test. 1108 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, the worst that will happen you cut these 1109 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,959 Speaker 1: automotives down. You've got a stump. You paint the stump well, 1110 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and you know the technique is you spray the the 1111 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,120 Speaker 1: outer cambium layer. You don't have to paint the entire stump, 1112 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: but you spray the circular ring on the outside with 1113 01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 1: the herbicide and see how it works. You know, if 1114 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: in a month you're seeing shoot stump shout shoots coming out, 1115 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: you know it didn't work and you can hit that 1116 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: at least now it's easier to combine hit that with 1117 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 1: a backpacks prayer. But in most cases that's gonna be effective. Um. 1118 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's mostly when things are immediately leaping out 1119 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a ton of SAP flow and because 1120 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: leads are growing. But once you've kind of hit that 1121 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200 Speaker 1: point where the major spring rush of leaf growth and 1122 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,760 Speaker 1: SAP flow is over, you can you can get busy. Um, 1123 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: that's what Craig has told me. Unless you're seeing sap 1124 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,920 Speaker 1: literally flow out visibly, if you make the cut, you're 1125 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. Well, thank you for giving me that 1126 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 1: that bit of confidence. Now I can now I cannot 1127 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: make some kind of progress again, which feels good. That's good. 1128 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: What what are some of the You mentioned something a 1129 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: little while ago about about weeds quote unquote weeds, and 1130 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: how a lot of that isn't really we we we 1131 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: put this label of weed on something. But in fact, 1132 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,040 Speaker 1: many of these species are great for wildlife. A lot 1133 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: of critters like them. They're very beneficial. Um, if you 1134 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: had to pick just a handful couple, two, three, four 1135 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,520 Speaker 1: of the weeds that hunters should start being able to 1136 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,840 Speaker 1: identify and and take advantage of in some kind of way, 1137 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: what would those be that we should start keen in 1138 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 1: a little bit and giving them a break? Uh? In 1139 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 1: the south, Um, ragweed is a really good one. Um. 1140 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: People you know everybody wants to talk about their allergies 1141 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: when you mentioned that one, but that I'm sorry. It's 1142 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,280 Speaker 1: a it's a great deer forage, and it is one 1143 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that pops up in food plots and agricultural situations, and 1144 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: farmers don't like it. But if it's in your food plot, 1145 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,800 Speaker 1: let it go, dear, We'll eat that. Um. It's a 1146 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 1: very beneficial plant. Dear, we'll eat it. The seeds are 1147 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 1: good for upland game birds and a lot of other birds. 1148 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: It's a good plant to have out there. UM beggars 1149 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,000 Speaker 1: lice Desmodium it's another good one. In the southeast. There's 1150 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: prickly lettuce and wild lettuce, which are basically they look 1151 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: very similar to each other, but one of them has 1152 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,400 Speaker 1: thorns and one of them done high high quality dear forage. 1153 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: UM poke weed is another big one. Things that you 1154 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 1: see pop up in disturbed areas, you know, after fire 1155 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 1: or at the edge of a food plot where you've 1156 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,200 Speaker 1: done some soiled disturbance, poke weed will pop up. UM 1157 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,840 Speaker 1: partridge p is another good one in the southeast. Some 1158 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 1: of these you may be seeing in where you are 1159 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: in other parts of the country. I'm up into the 1160 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,160 Speaker 1: middle part of the country in the northeast too. But 1161 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,320 Speaker 1: um everybody has species like this where they wherever you are. 1162 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm just throwing some of the ones out there that 1163 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: that are most familiar to me. UM. There's others that 1164 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: come along a little later in the successional stages. They're 1165 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,560 Speaker 1: not you know, the immediate weeds that come up, but 1166 01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: some of those that come along in year two or 1167 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,920 Speaker 1: beyond Greenbrier and and some others. I just the other 1168 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 1: day shared on Twitter a patch of Devil's walking stick 1169 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: that I saw coming up where we had done some 1170 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,520 Speaker 1: forest and improvement right here in front of the qu 1171 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,440 Speaker 1: May office and and followed up with fire. And that 1172 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 1: wasn't there before, And like two weeks I tried, I 1173 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: took pictures of it, and I walked back by and 1174 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,919 Speaker 1: the deer had hit it and browsed it. So um, 1175 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, ragweed, beggars, lice, the lettuces, poke weed, some 1176 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,760 Speaker 1: of those or some of those that jump to mind 1177 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,480 Speaker 1: as some of the quote weeds we even see in 1178 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: our food plots that people think they need to get 1179 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,160 Speaker 1: rid of it are pretty high quality deer forage, you know. 1180 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,960 Speaker 1: And and there's a there's a lot of others. And 1181 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 1: then there are some that have no benefit whatever pistols, garlic, mustard, uh, 1182 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: coffee weed or sickle pod is a bad one in 1183 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,480 Speaker 1: the southeast, you know. Um, those you need to go um, 1184 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,960 Speaker 1: whether you're gonna spray them or whether you hand pull them, 1185 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 1: um whatever. So yeah, I learned again going back to 1186 01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,640 Speaker 1: that importance will plan, I d learning ragweed would be 1187 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: a good one because then when you spot it, you're like, ah, 1188 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,400 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Let it go. Um And if 1189 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: you see coffeeheat or this, will jump out of the 1190 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: vehicle and pull it. When you see one, yeah, and 1191 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: kill it. You mentioned um, you know, being able to 1192 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 1: identify some of these things in a food plot, and 1193 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,360 Speaker 1: it makes me think of this idea of like clean 1194 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: food plots or clean farm fields that a lot of 1195 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 1: people right there. They're pretty, They're what we kind of 1196 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,880 Speaker 1: envision when we imagine what our food plots should look like. 1197 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,160 Speaker 1: This beautiful carpet of green mono culture, just this lush 1198 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,439 Speaker 1: forest floor of carpet or of clover. But ah, as 1199 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: as we've talked a little bit, and as I've seen 1200 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,640 Speaker 1: some of the things you've put out and some of 1201 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,120 Speaker 1: the things I've been looking into over the last year. UM, 1202 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 1: to achieve that sometimes requires a certain amount of impact, 1203 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,600 Speaker 1: and there might be some negative, some potential negative impacts 1204 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: of trying to achieve that beautiful, perfect, pristine U field 1205 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:09,440 Speaker 1: that we see in the magazine spreads. And you Ti, 1206 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 1: you tackled this um in a video I've seen you 1207 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: tackled this in an article I read discussing these low 1208 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,000 Speaker 1: impact food plot ideas, which you alluded to earlier in 1209 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 1: our conversation. Um, can you can? We may pivot to 1210 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,160 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit, because if we do, 1211 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: if we do, you know, decide we want to do 1212 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,160 Speaker 1: some food plotting. Um. I you know, I learned how 1213 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,519 Speaker 1: to food plot from a lot of the resources you 1214 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: guys are putting out there ten years ago, a lot 1215 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: of the other magazines and books and stuff out there, 1216 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,600 Speaker 1: and there's kind of a standard approach to doing it. Um, 1217 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: that was just kind of all it seemed to be 1218 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,439 Speaker 1: out there. But there seem to be small ternatives. Now, 1219 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,000 Speaker 1: would you be able to set the stage for us 1220 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,559 Speaker 1: first by just describing a little more of what you 1221 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 1: mean by a low impact food plot or green food plot? Um? 1222 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,600 Speaker 1: And maybe the best way to do that is to 1223 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: describe what the opposite of that is. But I don't know. 1224 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,840 Speaker 1: Can you can you first set the stage by what 1225 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,640 Speaker 1: you mean by this or what kind of ways we 1226 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,080 Speaker 1: can reduce impact with other food plots? What am I 1227 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,600 Speaker 1: getting at here from your perspective? Yeah, it kind of 1228 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,720 Speaker 1: goes back to, like I said, the whole reason I 1229 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,080 Speaker 1: wrote that original article and followed up with the video 1230 01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,800 Speaker 1: and really started playing with some of this myself. Two things. 1231 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,120 Speaker 1: One was you know, the email and phone ringing here 1232 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,880 Speaker 1: at the headquarters of people going, um, can I do 1233 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,719 Speaker 1: food plots without herbsides? Um? Can I do food plots 1234 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,559 Speaker 1: without lime and fertilizer, chemical fertilizers. UM? Can I do 1235 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 1: it without disking and soil erosion and all this other stuff? 1236 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,479 Speaker 1: You know, just people saying this feels really intensive to me, 1237 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if I can do food plots without 1238 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,320 Speaker 1: all that or with less of that. So that that 1239 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 1: was part of the thing. But then also the bigger 1240 01:09:55,160 --> 01:10:00,000 Speaker 1: trends in commercial agriculture lately over the last few years 1241 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,360 Speaker 1: has been more and more towards no till practices UM 1242 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: sharing the science of that and pointing out how UM 1243 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: farmers can save on fuel, save time, save on herbicide 1244 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,679 Speaker 1: and other things, UM save on fertilizer by using more 1245 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, quote organic. I'm not talking about you know, 1246 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: trademark organic. I'm talking about you know, natural processes for 1247 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,080 Speaker 1: building soil fertility and using less tillage, which you know 1248 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 1: what the experts are saying that These were the folks 1249 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,960 Speaker 1: I was listening to on that side of the of 1250 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,479 Speaker 1: the conversation so I started practicing these things myself, finding 1251 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,160 Speaker 1: that they worked, and that was kind of where some 1252 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 1: of our content has come out of. But but really 1253 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,719 Speaker 1: what it means is UM doing food plots with less 1254 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:58,440 Speaker 1: soil erosion, with less chemical inputs, whether that is chemical fertilizers, 1255 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,759 Speaker 1: mineral fertilizers in t K that you bring in a bag, 1256 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,800 Speaker 1: and with less serbicides, less chemicals in general that you're 1257 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,360 Speaker 1: putting out there, less fuel expenditure and burning less fuel 1258 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:19,120 Speaker 1: in your vehicle with repeated tilling and repeated trips out 1259 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,240 Speaker 1: there with the tractor. So that it's kind of all 1260 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,120 Speaker 1: of that. I think there are people that are interested 1261 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: in different parts of that, and people are interested in 1262 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,559 Speaker 1: all of it. They want to do low impact food 1263 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:34,360 Speaker 1: plots UM, So that's what we looked at. How do 1264 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: you know, how can you do all of these things? 1265 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,880 Speaker 1: That's really what he comes down to is food plots 1266 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: for deer that have benefits for deer and wildlife, that 1267 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 1: don't put dirt in the trout stream down the hill, UM, 1268 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:50,719 Speaker 1: that don't drift herbicides into natural plants that deer would 1269 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,640 Speaker 1: use if they weren't killed. Those kinds of things, and 1270 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 1: then you've got you know, there's a there's other sort 1271 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 1: of looming dark issue is out there, like the neo 1272 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:06,040 Speaker 1: nicotinoid herbicides that are applied now to most soybean and 1273 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,880 Speaker 1: corn seed in North America. It's on the seed, so 1274 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,080 Speaker 1: it goes into the plant endemically when when the plant grows, 1275 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: and there's concerns there about pollinators and the honey bee 1276 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,440 Speaker 1: collapse problem and whether that's related to those types of herbicides. 1277 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: And then other people have GMO concerns. I don't want 1278 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,040 Speaker 1: to plant anything that's genetically modified. So yeah, there's a 1279 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,160 Speaker 1: whole suite of things that go into that how you know, 1280 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,120 Speaker 1: low impact food plot. Yeah, so let's let's tackle this 1281 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,160 Speaker 1: first on the herb side front um. I started again, 1282 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,840 Speaker 1: a lot of this started coming up for me last 1283 01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 1: year as I took on the back forty project and 1284 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,160 Speaker 1: I started trying to kind of re examine all the 1285 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,639 Speaker 1: traditional ways I've done things and and try to see 1286 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,920 Speaker 1: other better ways I can do this. And this brought 1287 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,120 Speaker 1: to mind then as you as you mentioned, you know, 1288 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 1: what is the impact I'm having with herbicide? Is it 1289 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 1: okay that I'm doing this? So these chemicals safe? Is this? 1290 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: You know? Am I negatively impacting other things that I 1291 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,280 Speaker 1: don't realize when I'm going out here trying to trying 1292 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: to clean up a food plot or trying to prep 1293 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,519 Speaker 1: a food plot or something like that. UM. So I 1294 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,160 Speaker 1: started reading a whole bunch of different stuff. I At 1295 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: the same time, the e p A was putting out 1296 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: a report about glyphos fate, so round up UM. And 1297 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 1: when that came out, I saw you write up a 1298 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: really great take on it, which then I read and used, 1299 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,439 Speaker 1: and some am I writing to reference. UM. Can you 1300 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,960 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your perspective on using herbicides 1301 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:35,719 Speaker 1: and how you think through any potential negative impacts of them. Also, 1302 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,880 Speaker 1: is there a negative impact from from what you understand? 1303 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Can you speak to that too, Um? Yeah, in in 1304 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,960 Speaker 1: a general sense. First of all, herbicides have a place 1305 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,719 Speaker 1: in food plot management and in agriculture. There are simply 1306 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,720 Speaker 1: and certainly in invasive plant control. UM. If you did 1307 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:59,080 Speaker 1: not have herbicides to get rid of that autumnotive on 1308 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,960 Speaker 1: the back forty, you'd be in trouble because you could 1309 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,880 Speaker 1: cut it down, but it's gonna just come back from 1310 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: the stomp. UM. So there's a place for herbicides in 1311 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,120 Speaker 1: all of these applications. There are there are things you 1312 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,760 Speaker 1: may need to do to improve dear habitat that are 1313 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna be very difficult to accomplish without herbicides. But you 1314 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: have to look at what's really necessary and what didn't. 1315 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Go back to the ragweed. If you uh plant a 1316 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 1: food plot and you know, and of the field comes 1317 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,559 Speaker 1: up with ragweed in the middle of your pretty clover 1318 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,200 Speaker 1: or whatever it is soybeans, don't worry about it. Do 1319 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 1: you eat that. You don't have to jump out there 1320 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,000 Speaker 1: and go, oh, I need a broad leaf selective herbicide 1321 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,800 Speaker 1: and to come out here and try to control this 1322 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,599 Speaker 1: ragway or whatever. You don't need to control it. So 1323 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,240 Speaker 1: to start off, plant I D can help you eliminate 1324 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,680 Speaker 1: times you don't you know when you need think you 1325 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:57,280 Speaker 1: need herbside. Uh. These plants that are beneficial, it doesn't matter. 1326 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,000 Speaker 1: Let them go, encourage them even. Don't be worrying about 1327 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,559 Speaker 1: spraying if that's the plant you're dealing with. But then 1328 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:11,320 Speaker 1: if Johnson grass or thistle um, coffee weed, garlic mustard, 1329 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,320 Speaker 1: some of these others that really are bad weeds that 1330 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,679 Speaker 1: are out there in the soil in many places, particularly 1331 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,680 Speaker 1: those that have an agricultural history, and that's coming up 1332 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,040 Speaker 1: in your food plot. You're gonna be hard pressed, um 1333 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: over time, to be producing significant amount of of deer 1334 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,320 Speaker 1: forage in that spot without doing something to control the weeds, 1335 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:37,000 Speaker 1: because the weeds will take over and um you surpu 1336 01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,280 Speaker 1: the soil productivity and the moisture and the space and 1337 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 1: the sunlight. So you'll have to do something now. Sometimes 1338 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,360 Speaker 1: with those, you can hand pull some of those in 1339 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: a small plot. If you've got the time and there's 1340 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: not enough, you know there's a small number of weeds, 1341 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 1: get out there and pull them up by the route 1342 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 1: before they go to seed, and you can have an 1343 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,520 Speaker 1: effect there. Other times you might be able to minimally 1344 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 1: do spot spraying with a backpack s prayer. You're not 1345 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,439 Speaker 1: spraying the whole field. You're walking around like with a 1346 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,400 Speaker 1: thistle uh thistle for example, if you take a sling 1347 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,160 Speaker 1: blade and cut down that stalk before it goes to flower, 1348 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,400 Speaker 1: you have prevented the dispersal of a whole lot of 1349 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,559 Speaker 1: thistle seeds and a whole lot of headache down the road. 1350 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: But you didn't kill the plant, and it's going to 1351 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:25,479 Speaker 1: produce another flower stalk after you go back home. However, 1352 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: if you hit that with a court of glaph to 1353 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 1: say from your backpack s prayer, you've killed the plant 1354 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,160 Speaker 1: and it's gone. So these are the choices you can 1355 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,439 Speaker 1: make to eliminate or minimize some of your herbside use. 1356 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,640 Speaker 1: The bigger picture here is to remember this that you 1357 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 1: know you asked about herbicide safety. Just remember that the 1358 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 1: label on the herbicide is federal law and it is there. 1359 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,080 Speaker 1: It is federal law because it is based on the 1360 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,920 Speaker 1: best scientific research available done by the e p A 1361 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,200 Speaker 1: and other agencies that have to look into these um 1362 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: to approve these products for use by the public, there 1363 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 1: has to be that label and it is enforceable by 1364 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,920 Speaker 1: by federal law and it is backed up by science. 1365 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,000 Speaker 1: And if you follow the label, you will be using 1366 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,160 Speaker 1: the product safely to the best of our knowledge. So 1367 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,439 Speaker 1: let's take delfe of sate for example. There's a whole 1368 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: lot of controversy around that term, as you know, which 1369 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,599 Speaker 1: is you know what you and I both talked about 1370 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,280 Speaker 1: and road about last year when that e p A 1371 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 1: report came out. There's a certain group of people out 1372 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 1: there that just think glipe of sate is evil. And 1373 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,960 Speaker 1: then that's the end of the story, and you're not 1374 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,920 Speaker 1: gonna commence him other ones. But if you read the 1375 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,200 Speaker 1: glipe of state label, you know it tells you how 1376 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,080 Speaker 1: to be safe with it. It's one of the least 1377 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,679 Speaker 1: toxic ERB sides out there that we can work with UM, 1378 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons it is so common. 1379 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's got some in their garage. You can buy it 1380 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,479 Speaker 1: at the local gas station just about And that's one 1381 01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,440 Speaker 1: of the reasons I think too, that it's so controversial. 1382 01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,559 Speaker 1: People see it everywhere, so it's in front of you 1383 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 1: all the time, and I think it's that's sort of 1384 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,479 Speaker 1: why it's become the the scapegoat here. But UM. But 1385 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,240 Speaker 1: if you read the label, it tells you how to 1386 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,400 Speaker 1: use it safely, not only for your own safety, how 1387 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:13,960 Speaker 1: to keep it out of your body, how to keep 1388 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,760 Speaker 1: it out of your eyes and not breathe it and 1389 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,599 Speaker 1: not get it on your skin. All these things are 1390 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,120 Speaker 1: on the label. It tells you what to do, but 1391 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,320 Speaker 1: also how not to impact the environment when to use it. 1392 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,479 Speaker 1: Some people think that you know, you spray as much 1393 01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,080 Speaker 1: pop life to say as you want on a food plot, 1394 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,040 Speaker 1: as many repeated times as you want. No there's a limit, 1395 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:32,960 Speaker 1: and if you read the label, it will tell you 1396 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 1: don't spray it more frequently than you know once or 1397 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:40,200 Speaker 1: twice in a certain period of time. That's how we 1398 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,280 Speaker 1: have ended up with things like the life of State 1399 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,519 Speaker 1: resistant weeds that can't be killed by it anymore, from 1400 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,000 Speaker 1: people spraying too much life and say too often, or 1401 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,040 Speaker 1: using the ineffective solution rates. Again, go back to your label. 1402 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,320 Speaker 1: It tells you how to mix that stuff to be effective, 1403 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,240 Speaker 1: and it's there for a reason, and it's people using 1404 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,880 Speaker 1: it off label. It's how we've ended up with glife 1405 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: of State resistant weed. That's how we've ended up with 1406 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,720 Speaker 1: the controversy. Um. That's one thing I wonder about what 1407 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,519 Speaker 1: life sate just you know me personally, is it's so 1408 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:17,479 Speaker 1: common and it's so available, um and so uh you know, 1409 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,200 Speaker 1: useful even around your house and then your in your 1410 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: lawn and your garden. Is you know, people just pick 1411 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,000 Speaker 1: them up using all the time with no gloves and 1412 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,320 Speaker 1: no eye protection and not worried about when direction and 1413 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,200 Speaker 1: not paying a whole lot of attention to their solution rate. 1414 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:36,040 Speaker 1: So the point is, if you follow the label, um, 1415 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,720 Speaker 1: all of these herb sides out there and if you're 1416 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,479 Speaker 1: using them for the right application, a labeled application, under 1417 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,320 Speaker 1: labeled practices. Uh, you should be safe. You should be safe, 1418 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,080 Speaker 1: and the environment should be safe. But that's that does 1419 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,880 Speaker 1: not mean it's not a good idea to try to 1420 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,719 Speaker 1: minimize their use. I still feel that way. I believe 1421 01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,720 Speaker 1: what I just said about the label in my own safety, 1422 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,720 Speaker 1: but I still prefer to keep them in the jug 1423 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and not buying to start with. I don't have to, 1424 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,160 Speaker 1: that's just me, Um. I use them what I need 1425 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,400 Speaker 1: to because I understand sometimes you've got to that I can't. 1426 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,600 Speaker 1: I can't kill private for example, without an herbicide. I 1427 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,320 Speaker 1: won't be able to overcome that battle. Um. But when 1428 01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:15,960 Speaker 1: I you know, but I don't want to just be 1429 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,160 Speaker 1: using herbicides all the time because they're there. I still 1430 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,639 Speaker 1: want to minimize it. Yeah, that seems to be where 1431 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:26,160 Speaker 1: I've settled to is trying to minimize as much as 1432 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,960 Speaker 1: possible when I do have to use them though in 1433 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,240 Speaker 1: those certain applications, just doing it as by the book 1434 01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,960 Speaker 1: as carefully as you possibly can. Um. That seems to 1435 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:45,240 Speaker 1: make sense. Another another impact of planting food plots. In 1436 01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,679 Speaker 1: another suggestion you had for ways to lower your impact 1437 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,720 Speaker 1: was to think about erosion. Um, can you speak to 1438 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,880 Speaker 1: why erosion is a bad thing within an ecosystem and 1439 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: or a field in surrounding areas? And then secondly, when 1440 01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: we're working on food plots, how can we help prevent that? Yeah, 1441 01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,040 Speaker 1: so you know, erosion is your food plot, dirt, your 1442 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,040 Speaker 1: top foil going away somewhere else, whether it turns to 1443 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,519 Speaker 1: dust and blows away in the wind because there's no 1444 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,840 Speaker 1: crop there at the time, or because it drifts you know, 1445 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,160 Speaker 1: rolls off down the hill with rain water because you're 1446 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,600 Speaker 1: trying to grow something on the slope that's too sleep 1447 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:29,880 Speaker 1: steep um, or because um, you don't have some kind 1448 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,080 Speaker 1: of a buffer around that field. You know, you you've 1449 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,160 Speaker 1: planted a food plot on a slope right next to 1450 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,000 Speaker 1: a stream. Well, what's gonna happen when it rains? That 1451 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,880 Speaker 1: stream is going to turn the mud and impact those 1452 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:45,800 Speaker 1: species in there, whether they're trout or whatever, um, waterfowl. 1453 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,639 Speaker 1: I mean we can, we can going down the line. 1454 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 1: And this is this is why you know there's a 1455 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,680 Speaker 1: dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico from all of 1456 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: the nutrients and fertilizers coming down the Mississippi River out 1457 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,480 Speaker 1: of the heartland. So this is something to be avoided, 1458 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,840 Speaker 1: UM in many ways, but the basic one is, you know, 1459 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,439 Speaker 1: it's counterproductive to you trying to have productive soils, nutrient 1460 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 1: rich soils that will grow a crop that will be 1461 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:19,720 Speaker 1: beneficial to deer because ultimately, the nutrition or benefits that 1462 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,639 Speaker 1: deer to get out of a plant they eat that's 1463 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:26,439 Speaker 1: grown there come from the dirt, and preventing erosion and 1464 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:33,240 Speaker 1: growing healthy soils naturally increases the nutritional benefits of those 1465 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,760 Speaker 1: plants and reduces the amount of fertilizer you have to 1466 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,200 Speaker 1: bring in. So that's that's what I've learned about this process. 1467 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,080 Speaker 1: And it comes back to a basic idea you'll you'll 1468 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,640 Speaker 1: come across if you listen to the folks in the 1469 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:52,799 Speaker 1: commercial agricultural community, and that is or really any organic 1470 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,840 Speaker 1: soil community. That is that healthy soil is built from 1471 01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:02,840 Speaker 1: the top down. UM. It starts with its multch dead vegetation, 1472 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the previous crop on top, and that gradually breaking down 1473 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,120 Speaker 1: into smaller and smaller pieces and filtering with rainwater down 1474 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,559 Speaker 1: into levels of the soil. And that's how healthy soil 1475 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,400 Speaker 1: is built. That's how you get the microbe, the earthworms, 1476 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,960 Speaker 1: the life forms and in there that helped break all 1477 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,800 Speaker 1: that down and produce the nutrients that the plants use, 1478 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: and all of that prevents erosion. It prevents dirt from 1479 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,920 Speaker 1: drying up and blowing away in a winter wind, it 1480 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,640 Speaker 1: prevents it from washing away of the rainwater UM. And 1481 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,679 Speaker 1: so that really comes down to the basics behind why 1482 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,200 Speaker 1: many of the experts are encouraging farmers not to tell 1483 01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,479 Speaker 1: anymore to use no tail practices, and so I've tried 1484 01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,680 Speaker 1: to bring those into food plotting as well, and it 1485 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and it works pretty good. So you're trying to build 1486 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:53,160 Speaker 1: soil from the top down, disking totally turns that process 1487 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:58,240 Speaker 1: upside down. It buries the heavy organic matter deeply where 1488 01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,160 Speaker 1: it can't break down and can get enough air and 1489 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,160 Speaker 1: oxygen to break down naturally. It brings loose soil to 1490 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,400 Speaker 1: the top where it can blow away and wash away. 1491 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,760 Speaker 1: It brings weed seeds back to the top where they 1492 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,000 Speaker 1: can germinate. So disking really sometimes you need to do it. 1493 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,439 Speaker 1: But disking too much, as we're all used to doing, 1494 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,599 Speaker 1: is really counterproductive to healthy soils, to preventing erosion, UM, 1495 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 1: to low impact food plots. And so that's that's the 1496 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,040 Speaker 1: way we've been trying to go, and you can do it. 1497 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:28,840 Speaker 1: You know, when I say no till, a lot of 1498 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,840 Speaker 1: people picture a big, giant, expensive no till grain drill. 1499 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,360 Speaker 1: And if you've got one of those, which can borrow 1500 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,880 Speaker 1: one of those or a lot of you know, soil 1501 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,879 Speaker 1: conservation agencies have grain drills available for loan and rent um, 1502 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,000 Speaker 1: so there's access to those, but you don't have to 1503 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,280 Speaker 1: have one. Um. I've done no till food plots without 1504 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,719 Speaker 1: a grain drill, with nothing but a hand trank seeds 1505 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,040 Speaker 1: broader and a little culti packer before behind the four wheeler. 1506 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: So uh, no till is possible. It's really the ideal 1507 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,400 Speaker 1: way to go if you can. If you and avoid 1508 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,479 Speaker 1: telling uh and start going towards that process of building 1509 01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,280 Speaker 1: your food plot soils from the top down, increasing the nutrients, 1510 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,960 Speaker 1: preventing erosion, keeping that healthy soil there in that plot 1511 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,439 Speaker 1: instead of in the stream, instead of blowing away in 1512 01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,960 Speaker 1: the wind. Um it all has trickled down benefits for 1513 01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:23,479 Speaker 1: your fertilizer bill, your fuel bill, and of course the 1514 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,120 Speaker 1: wildlife and habitat around you. Can you can you outline 1515 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,320 Speaker 1: exactly how you've done those no till food plots without 1516 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,639 Speaker 1: the drill, because I'm sure there's a lot of people 1517 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,599 Speaker 1: out there that are in that scenario and are wondering 1518 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,760 Speaker 1: about this. UM, could you just give a little more 1519 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,320 Speaker 1: detail of exactly what process, what tools? UM. I know 1520 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned a couple, but exactly how you do that? Okay. 1521 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,680 Speaker 1: So it's a few quick steps on outline. First of all, 1522 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,000 Speaker 1: you've got a crop there that whether it is weeds 1523 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,400 Speaker 1: in an empty field or fallow field, or the remnants 1524 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: of a crop you grew last year. UM. You come in, 1525 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,960 Speaker 1: you mow the at if needed, and the mowing is 1526 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,040 Speaker 1: to break up all the bigger chunks and get them 1527 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,040 Speaker 1: down on the service in the most layer, but also 1528 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:12,360 Speaker 1: to facilitate the herbside treatment. UM. And that is usually 1529 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,320 Speaker 1: a requirement of this process. And I'll people immediately go, 1530 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,080 Speaker 1: what I gotta do herbside, But just hang on. So 1531 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:25,040 Speaker 1: you come in, you mow, that facilitates the herbside treatment 1532 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,519 Speaker 1: and gets it, you know, the growing weeds and this 1533 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,040 Speaker 1: thing down to you know, six inches or lower, so 1534 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,200 Speaker 1: that when you spray with life state to kill everything, 1535 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,920 Speaker 1: you get a good effective kill. So you kill everything, 1536 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,040 Speaker 1: and then all this happens about the time you're ready 1537 01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,000 Speaker 1: to plant whatever season that might be. I've done it 1538 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,040 Speaker 1: with warm season plots and this time of year, I've 1539 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,880 Speaker 1: done it with cool season plots in the fall. And 1540 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,160 Speaker 1: then you wait for a good rain and you get 1541 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,120 Speaker 1: out your broad trest spreater. You have your seed ready, 1542 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,519 Speaker 1: you know how much you're gonna put and when there's 1543 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,240 Speaker 1: a good rain coming in the forecast, and I mean 1544 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,719 Speaker 1: a strong chance. I don't mean a you know chance 1545 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,519 Speaker 1: of thirty minutes of like missed this afternoon. I mean 1546 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,320 Speaker 1: sure enough, you know good rain coming, you jump out 1547 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,599 Speaker 1: there ahead of that and you broadcast onto the mulch 1548 01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:14,840 Speaker 1: layer you've created, and then with a good rain you 1549 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,439 Speaker 1: may be off to the races. I've done it without 1550 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 1: any additional steps. But the other step I often do 1551 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:26,520 Speaker 1: is take a particularly with large seeds like soybeans, um 1552 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,559 Speaker 1: take a small culti packer behind the fo wheeler and 1553 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,559 Speaker 1: pull it around over the top of that just too lightly, 1554 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,080 Speaker 1: kind of mash the seed down into the most layer 1555 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,240 Speaker 1: and stir that mulch a little bit, just to kind 1556 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 1: of get the seed to settle in. That's it. That's 1557 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,360 Speaker 1: all you need to do. The rain comes along, it 1558 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,760 Speaker 1: further settles that most layer and the seed together, so 1559 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,559 Speaker 1: you get decent seed to soil contact and the seeds 1560 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,320 Speaker 1: germinate and they take off and that's it. You're off 1561 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,680 Speaker 1: to the races. So you know, there's a lot of 1562 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,479 Speaker 1: questions the folks have about that process. You know, what 1563 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,200 Speaker 1: about this? A little about that? Can I use a 1564 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,639 Speaker 1: drag and I'm you know, et cetera. But that's the basics. 1565 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: Create you want that crop residue there, you mow it 1566 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,920 Speaker 1: to chop it down and get a nice most layer 1567 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,799 Speaker 1: and an effective surface forth spraying the turbicide and contacting 1568 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,880 Speaker 1: all the weeds that are existing there, and then you 1569 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,280 Speaker 1: broadcast you seat over it with a rain coming and 1570 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,479 Speaker 1: that's it. You're going um Now. Over time, like I 1571 01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,639 Speaker 1: was talking about with the disking, disking brings weed seeds 1572 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,840 Speaker 1: to the surface and stimulates those weeds to grow. So 1573 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times disking keeps you in a perpetual 1574 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,200 Speaker 1: weed problem in a in a plot. Over time, if 1575 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,200 Speaker 1: you can keep this cycle going, I'm not disking, And 1576 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,360 Speaker 1: just like you know, planting into the crop residue from before, 1577 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,160 Speaker 1: you're reducing your weed problems, particularly if you're using fast 1578 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 1: growing annuals um. You know, your cowpees soybeans, lab lab 1579 01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,760 Speaker 1: things like that in the summer that you know your 1580 01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,280 Speaker 1: cereal grains, you're fast growing cereal grains and braskas in 1581 01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,679 Speaker 1: the fall that pop up quick and put some shade 1582 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,000 Speaker 1: out there and quickly compete with any weeds that might 1583 01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,160 Speaker 1: be coming along. That additionally helps suppress what weeds might germinate. 1584 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,720 Speaker 1: You throw in some hand pulling and you know, some 1585 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,799 Speaker 1: additional spots praying. Over time, you're you're going to reduce 1586 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,760 Speaker 1: your weed problem to the point that, um, you may 1587 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,840 Speaker 1: not need to do that life of state treatment prior 1588 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,840 Speaker 1: to planning. But that's it. Yeah, it's not. It's it's 1589 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,120 Speaker 1: not out of the realm possibility. I think for a 1590 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,040 Speaker 1: lot of people to be able to do something like that, 1591 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,720 Speaker 1: it's I think we sometimes come into this, I know 1592 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,920 Speaker 1: I did early on thinking that you need this picture 1593 01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,759 Speaker 1: perfect farm process that you see on TV to get 1594 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,120 Speaker 1: a food plot, and you really don't in a lot 1595 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,360 Speaker 1: of ways. And you don't need that perfect food plot either. 1596 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,120 Speaker 1: If it's a little messy here and there, that's not 1597 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:54,719 Speaker 1: the worst thing either, too, right, that's right. No, Um, 1598 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,679 Speaker 1: you know food plots may not look perfect. That Yeah, 1599 01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,640 Speaker 1: we have to not worry about this, Like farmers like 1600 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,400 Speaker 1: you want to have this award winning clean crop. Um 1601 01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:08,280 Speaker 1: that deer don't care. Um, they're gonna eat the crop. Uh, 1602 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:09,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna eat some of the weeds that come up. 1603 01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,040 Speaker 1: Some of the problematic ones you need to get rid 1604 01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,800 Speaker 1: of if you can. But but other than that, deer 1605 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,920 Speaker 1: really don't care about an ugly food plot. There's got 1606 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,960 Speaker 1: a few weeds come up in it. Many of those weeks, 1607 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,479 Speaker 1: like we talked about, are just fine with the deer. 1608 01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,720 Speaker 1: But you know, let's let's think about this in a 1609 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:33,440 Speaker 1: minimal scenario, or somebody doesn't even own a four wheeler. UM, 1610 01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,400 Speaker 1: with a small enough patch, you could get out there 1611 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,639 Speaker 1: with a sling blade and chop down the heavy cover, 1612 01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,640 Speaker 1: take your backpacks, prayer and spray if you need to 1613 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,200 Speaker 1: to kill that. Here comes the rain. You got a 1614 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,599 Speaker 1: hand crank broadcast better spreader, you know, left less than 1615 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,640 Speaker 1: fifty bucks at the hardware store for that if you 1616 01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,479 Speaker 1: don't have one, or a push spreader. If you've got 1617 01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,080 Speaker 1: a garden lawn and garden push spread at your house, 1618 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,760 Speaker 1: bring that out there and broadcast just ahead of the rain. 1619 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,240 Speaker 1: For small seeds like brassicas, you really don't need to 1620 01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:11,040 Speaker 1: cultipack because the rain is going to settle those tiny 1621 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,120 Speaker 1: seeds in there very well. Um, it's the bigger seeds, soybeans, 1622 01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,000 Speaker 1: and you know some of the bigger wheat and oats 1623 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,240 Speaker 1: that you might want to cultipack if you can. Um. 1624 01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:27,599 Speaker 1: But again even just um, you know, driving your vehicle 1625 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,800 Speaker 1: around over it if you had to your your truck 1626 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,800 Speaker 1: or car would work for that, but probably again not 1627 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,960 Speaker 1: necessary a few time it with a good rain. So 1628 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,519 Speaker 1: there we go. We just put in a food plot 1629 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,280 Speaker 1: with nothing but a sling blade and a hand crank 1630 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,360 Speaker 1: spreader and maybe a backpack sprayer or you know, a 1631 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,439 Speaker 1: little hand pump garden sprayer. And if youve got a 1632 01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,360 Speaker 1: couple of friends, you know you can do more than 1633 01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,360 Speaker 1: a tenth of an acre. You can maybe do a 1634 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,960 Speaker 1: half acre or more. Even if you need to bring 1635 01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,519 Speaker 1: your push mover from home out there too mow you 1636 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,000 Speaker 1: know a larger amount of cover. So you can do 1637 01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,040 Speaker 1: this with home and garden that you probably already on. 1638 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I I absolutely have have tried all those 1639 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,639 Speaker 1: things you mentioned. I've I've used my home mom mower, 1640 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,800 Speaker 1: I've used a push uh like fertilizer spreader, I've i 1641 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,439 Speaker 1: got my lawn mower stuck once and had to have 1642 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,400 Speaker 1: my wife come out and help me. When that when 1643 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,760 Speaker 1: that was fun. Um, But yeah, you don't. You don't 1644 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,160 Speaker 1: need big fancy things. You don't need a big fancy 1645 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,559 Speaker 1: food plot to make a positive difference either. I mean, 1646 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,639 Speaker 1: my first food plot ever, this was a ten eleven 1647 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,920 Speaker 1: years ago. Maybe it was the size of a two 1648 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:37,000 Speaker 1: stall garage probably, and it helped. It was a cool project. 1649 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,080 Speaker 1: It made a difference. I you know, got to engage 1650 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,120 Speaker 1: with the land in a different way and attracted deer 1651 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,559 Speaker 1: in a new way. And and yeah, I mean you don't. 1652 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,000 Speaker 1: You don't need to be a big time farmer with 1653 01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,640 Speaker 1: tons of equipment and money to be able to do 1654 01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,600 Speaker 1: some of these things. And I think being able to 1655 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,680 Speaker 1: do them the ways you described, which are you know, 1656 01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,479 Speaker 1: even less of an impact or minimizing any possible negative 1657 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,519 Speaker 1: impacts from an environmental standpoint, make it even better. Um. 1658 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love it. You have two things real 1659 01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,760 Speaker 1: quick to throw in here now. But you mentioned fertilizer 1660 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,200 Speaker 1: and I didn't that. I think it goes without saying 1661 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,760 Speaker 1: in all food plotting, I didn't throw that in there 1662 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,120 Speaker 1: in the steps of this, But that that's just goes 1663 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,519 Speaker 1: without saying you should pull a soil sample, get that tested, 1664 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,080 Speaker 1: and find out nutrient levels for the crop you intend 1665 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,800 Speaker 1: to grow, and let that guide you in line and fertilizer. 1666 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Line to adjust the pH level of the acidity, and 1667 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,840 Speaker 1: fertilizer to bring up any soil nutrients that are missing, 1668 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,040 Speaker 1: and early in this process they're going to be missing. 1669 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,439 Speaker 1: Eventually your use of that organic matter, keeping that on 1670 01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,719 Speaker 1: the surface, letting that breakdown, building those natural soils without disking, 1671 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,800 Speaker 1: that's going to increase nutrient levels to the point that 1672 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,040 Speaker 1: your need for fertilizery is going to fall off and 1673 01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:51,880 Speaker 1: you won't need as much, but you're gonna need some. 1674 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,160 Speaker 1: So always pull your soil test and check on that. 1675 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,160 Speaker 1: If you don't line when you need to um, the 1676 01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,640 Speaker 1: plants can't take up the nutrients are there, so you 1677 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,840 Speaker 1: also need to adjust the pH. So that's that kind 1678 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,920 Speaker 1: of UM goes without without saying there um. And then 1679 01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,559 Speaker 1: you know the other thing too, is just remember that 1680 01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,040 Speaker 1: many times we we we get excited about food plots 1681 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 1: and we're planning food plots because it's part of a 1682 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:20,040 Speaker 1: hunting strategy. We're gonna plant something that's going to be 1683 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,479 Speaker 1: highly attractive at a certain time of year, whether that 1684 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,760 Speaker 1: is summer lagoons like cow peas and soybeans that we 1685 01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,800 Speaker 1: can bow hunt late, you know, in early fall while 1686 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,200 Speaker 1: the deer is still coming to them, and that's highly 1687 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,840 Speaker 1: attractive in a small little catch scenario. Or we're talking 1688 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,240 Speaker 1: about you know, winter cereal drains in Braskas and those 1689 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,120 Speaker 1: annuals like that that are highly attractive during the fall, 1690 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,479 Speaker 1: you know, unless acorns or at peat production and can 1691 01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,000 Speaker 1: be particularly attractive later in the winter. So those are 1692 01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,040 Speaker 1: hunting opportunities were doing. But but the thing to remember 1693 01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:58,160 Speaker 1: is ultimately, if you're just interested in dear nutrition, um, 1694 01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,920 Speaker 1: you don't even have to worry about dragging the long 1695 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,599 Speaker 1: are out there in the backpacks prayer and buying seed 1696 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,160 Speaker 1: and buying fertilizer. Look to the woods beyond the food 1697 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:07,840 Speaker 1: plot and look out there and see what you see. 1698 01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,639 Speaker 1: And if it's all shade and you can walk through 1699 01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,320 Speaker 1: their nice and there's no briers and nothing scratches you, 1700 01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,559 Speaker 1: and it's wide open and you can see a hundred 1701 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,719 Speaker 1: yards to make a nice rifle shot, that's not good. 1702 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,040 Speaker 1: You could be removing some of those trees out there. 1703 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:23,720 Speaker 1: If you knew what they were and could remove some 1704 01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,160 Speaker 1: of the less useful ones, less valuable ones, maybe the 1705 01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:30,200 Speaker 1: invasive ones putting sunlight on the ground and having a 1706 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,120 Speaker 1: much more cost effective impact on nutritional levels for your deer. 1707 01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,920 Speaker 1: So I just got to throw that in there. Don't 1708 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,400 Speaker 1: forget that one of the options in low impact food 1709 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,840 Speaker 1: plots is don't plant food plots. And that was how 1710 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,559 Speaker 1: I ended that article. I wrote was, look, let's on 1711 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:51,880 Speaker 1: a spectrum of intensive commercial agriculture food plots to the 1712 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,080 Speaker 1: opposite of that in terms of impact. The other end 1713 01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,240 Speaker 1: of the spectrum is don't plant food plots if you 1714 01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,439 Speaker 1: really just don't want to buy a fertilizer in the 1715 01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,920 Speaker 1: bag and don't want to buy her besides, and you 1716 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,920 Speaker 1: don't have to plan anything. The seeds are out there, 1717 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,080 Speaker 1: the things that deer will eat and hide in and 1718 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,280 Speaker 1: make use of are out there. All you gotta do 1719 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,880 Speaker 1: is put somebody on the ground and encourage them. So, 1720 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,799 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like that needs to be mentioned 1721 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,639 Speaker 1: that if someone who's just really interested in super low 1722 01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,120 Speaker 1: impact food plots and just doesn't want to do any 1723 01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,160 Speaker 1: of these paints as we talked about period, fine, you 1724 01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,799 Speaker 1: don't have to do that. There is plenty of options, 1725 01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,280 Speaker 1: in fact, far more cost effective options for just simply 1726 01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,439 Speaker 1: producing dear nutrition on a large scale. Well you, Um, 1727 01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,679 Speaker 1: you make my job easy, Lindsay, because there's there's really 1728 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,160 Speaker 1: something attracted to the human psyche. Two circles coming to 1729 01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,320 Speaker 1: a close. When things come full circle and you can 1730 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,680 Speaker 1: end where you begin. It's pleasing to the ear, it's 1731 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,800 Speaker 1: pleasing to the mind. And we're so perfectly doing this 1732 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,080 Speaker 1: with what you just tied me up with because we 1733 01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,120 Speaker 1: let our conversation talking about the the impacts of the 1734 01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,880 Speaker 1: current health crisis and how that's hurting people's budgets. So 1735 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,479 Speaker 1: folks are trying to find cost effective ways to still 1736 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,160 Speaker 1: make a difference. You made a wish to the genie 1737 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,600 Speaker 1: of Mark Kenyon that you could help people identify plant species, 1738 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,559 Speaker 1: and now you've just illuminated how one of the best, 1739 01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:22,720 Speaker 1: most cost effective habitat improvement projects requires knowledge a plant identification. 1740 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,439 Speaker 1: And that just leaves me with the perfect way to 1741 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,559 Speaker 1: end it with what you just shared this, Lindsay, that 1742 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:32,160 Speaker 1: was really nicely done, and um became full circle in 1743 01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:36,120 Speaker 1: a great way, And I think this is really interesting stuff. 1744 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,160 Speaker 1: I've been reinvigored to do a better job identifying things, 1745 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,880 Speaker 1: understanding my natives, my non natives, invasive versus non Um. 1746 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to do even more this year 1747 01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,000 Speaker 1: to learn about all that and then applying that into 1748 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 1: these low impact solutions. So man, a lot of good 1749 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,840 Speaker 1: stuff covered here. Thank you, Lindsay. Well, I've enjoyed it this. 1750 01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:00,840 Speaker 1: I love talking about this off. You know, we could 1751 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,720 Speaker 1: go on and on and on, but you know, just 1752 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,479 Speaker 1: I think remember what Craig Harper said to me about 1753 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to some of these you know, invasives 1754 01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,599 Speaker 1: that are really problematic and aggressive, but that deer used 1755 01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:16,640 Speaker 1: to some extent, you can do better. Um. So you 1756 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,840 Speaker 1: know I think about that, and I think about deer management. Um. 1757 01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, all of us to some extent and want 1758 01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:25,519 Speaker 1: to be deer managers and have better deer hunting. If Mark, 1759 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,760 Speaker 1: if you quit worrying about whether you need to take 1760 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,160 Speaker 1: a doll or two, and you quit protecting young bucks 1761 01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,360 Speaker 1: and it was just shoot the first dear that comes by, 1762 01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,679 Speaker 1: and you're just you know, gonna hunt for the freezer, 1763 01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,280 Speaker 1: would you continue to have deer hunting. Sure, deer hunting 1764 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,040 Speaker 1: will still be there, just like deer are still gonna 1765 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,440 Speaker 1: be on your place if you don't kill that automotive 1766 01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,120 Speaker 1: and you don't kill that private or whatever that aggressive 1767 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,479 Speaker 1: invasive is you're dealing with. But could you do better? 1768 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,120 Speaker 1: Could your hunting be better if you protected a few 1769 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,240 Speaker 1: yearling bucks and maybe took a doll or two when 1770 01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,920 Speaker 1: you needed to to encourage more nutrition for the deer 1771 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,200 Speaker 1: to remain? Yeah, you're hunting could be better. You can 1772 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,280 Speaker 1: do better. And it's the same thing with habitat management. 1773 01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,360 Speaker 1: With those invasives, you can do better than that, and 1774 01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:14,280 Speaker 1: your deer can too. So um, that's yeah, really a 1775 01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,280 Speaker 1: pretty simple mantra to live by, I think when it 1776 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,920 Speaker 1: comes to this, but but a good one. Definitely a 1777 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,920 Speaker 1: good one. If if folks have been intrigued by what 1778 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,800 Speaker 1: you've been sharing with us today, if they want to 1779 01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,320 Speaker 1: learn more about some of these ideas, and or if 1780 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,680 Speaker 1: they want to go back to our original beginning of 1781 01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,000 Speaker 1: our conversation, if they'd like to get involved with qut 1782 01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:35,360 Speaker 1: may donate or get involved the d S one or 1783 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,719 Speaker 1: become a member. Where can they find all this stuff? 1784 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:43,479 Speaker 1: Qum a dot com just that simplest place to start, yep, 1785 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,560 Speaker 1: best place to start where, of course, on all the 1786 01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,519 Speaker 1: social media channels that the qum a Facebook dot com, 1787 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,519 Speaker 1: the q m a Instagram and Twitter as well at 1788 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,160 Speaker 1: the same address. But start with the website QTMA dot com. 1789 01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,120 Speaker 1: Got a ton of free information there. Have a store 1790 01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,559 Speaker 1: with books like Craig Harper book Wildlife, Food Plots and 1791 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,760 Speaker 1: early Successional Plants are Quality Food Plots book. Um, all 1792 01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:09,360 Speaker 1: of these resources that are there free. But of course 1793 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,439 Speaker 1: we'd appreciate the support. We'd appreciate folks becoming members, uh 1794 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,160 Speaker 1: donating doing whatever they can to help us another nonprofit 1795 01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,240 Speaker 1: groups right now through the current crisis. Yea, and hey, 1796 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,519 Speaker 1: speaking of books for selling your website, I saw that 1797 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,880 Speaker 1: my book That Wild Country is available on there too, 1798 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,000 Speaker 1: So how could I have forgotten that one? Yeah, yes, 1799 01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,519 Speaker 1: we now have the Wild That Wild Country by Mark 1800 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:35,040 Speaker 1: Kenyon my website. So if reading list by the way, hey, 1801 01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,680 Speaker 1: well I hope you get a chance to check it out. Um. 1802 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, if anyone listening hasn't picked a copy up yet, 1803 01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,080 Speaker 1: pick it up from qt may and help them out 1804 01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,599 Speaker 1: a little bit too. So yeah, I appreciate, I really 1805 01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,800 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. This has been fun. It's always informative, 1806 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,799 Speaker 1: and um, I'm just gonna I'm gonna keep on bugging 1807 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,600 Speaker 1: to come on again because I never run out of 1808 01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,679 Speaker 1: things to talk about with you, Lindsay, I'm enjoyed it. Mark. 1809 01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate everything that you do. I appreciate what you 1810 01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,920 Speaker 1: do for Q do you may well. You've been a big, 1811 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,360 Speaker 1: big help and fan and support of ours up for 1812 01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,720 Speaker 1: years and and no han to thank you enough for that, 1813 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,960 Speaker 1: but I really really enjoy talking with you and U yeah, 1814 01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,960 Speaker 1: look forward to doing and again sounds good, Lindsay, thanks again, 1815 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,120 Speaker 1: and stay well, be safe, you do the same, take 1816 01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,840 Speaker 1: care all right, that's gonna do it for us today. 1817 01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,080 Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in. I hope you are 1818 01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:29,559 Speaker 1: doing well, safe and healthy and enjoying some some outdoor time, 1819 01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:34,679 Speaker 1: whether that's turkey hunting, mushroom hunting, scouting, white t hellivet improvement, 1820 01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:39,479 Speaker 1: white tail habitat improvement, that's a mouthful. Whatever is you're doing, 1821 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,920 Speaker 1: I hope you are breathing in some of that fresh 1822 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,559 Speaker 1: air and enjoying sunshine with friends and family in a 1823 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,519 Speaker 1: socially distance safe way. Uh So, all that said, thank 1824 01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,240 Speaker 1: you and stay wired to HU