1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Oh God is dead. I'm Robert Evans, Welcome to the podcast. 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: Were first episode of Spooky Week try to figure out 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: who murdered God and come to the conclusion that it 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: was almost certainly will Weep. I'm pointing my finger at 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: someone else. Actually, Robert, I'm fingering Bigfoot. And wow, you're 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: definitely okay. Now now, Daniel, Daniel, I'm gonna need you 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: to just cut that audioline out of the episode so 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: that everyone on the team can play it as a 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: drop whenever we need to. James admitting to fingering Bigfoot. Um, alright, 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: that's gonna be an episode everybody of a good week. 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: God bless you. This is it could happen here. This 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: is Spooky Week, right, we're recording our first spook crazed 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: b two God, Um, all right, what do we what 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: do we have for the ladies and not not the gentleman. 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: This one's just for the ladies. I'm gonna say that 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: right now, says hers and slurs. It's it's yeah, we 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: where we got today? What we got today? Robert Garrison 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: is some stories about cryptids. So I want to start 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: in the autumn of Garrison was not alive and Robert. 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Now we're much younger, and I want to start in 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: northern California, where one night, three men set out to 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: execute a pretty routine We trade right, dropsyself, get some money, 23 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: come home. And it's not exactly a secret that at 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: that time and in that place there was a lot 25 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: of illegal girl operations and it's not exactly a secret. Yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: have you heard about this? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's number one once you hit about 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: anywhere in like the coastal northern caliph Fornia from like 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: and a cruise on up. Uh, bigfoot is like a 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: topic not even not even really of discussion. But there's 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: just big foot ship all over the goddamn place. Um, 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: from ARCADEA to like Grants Pass is probably the biggest 33 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: density of bigfoot ship. But it's all throughout or again, 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: all throughout Washington. You get a decent amount in Idaho, 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: I think too. Um, but yeah, people make a lot 36 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: of money of big foot. It's even a bigfoot highway 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: up there. But yeah, I was listening to a dogship 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: podcast recently. It's not very good. It's called wild Thing 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: and it's by some former NPR reporter the Squatches podcast. Right, Yeah, 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: she's doing like a Bigfoot thing. It's just not very good. 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Like there's bits in there where she'll like quote one 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: guy who's like, there's a lot, there's so much evidence 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: for Bigfoot. If you type big foot into Google, there's 44 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: like a eleven million results, and that an actual scientist 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: will be like, there's no evidence for Bigfoot, and she 46 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: just as like, what are we to think? What? Both sides? 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: Both sides? Yeah, yeah, I did not find it very edifying. 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: I was listening to it while I was alone on 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: the mountain this weekend. There are two sides to a 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Bigfoot story, Robert. It doesn't matter if one of them 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: is wrong. No, um, it's very fun. But yeah, because 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: I also, the parts of the West Coast that are 53 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: Bigfoot country are also the parts of the West Coast 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: that grow like more pot than anywhere else on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah, 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: which is interesting, isn't it, Because these two things may 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: or may not overlap. Yeah, I think they do. But 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: please continue. Yes, so Hulu made I will use to 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: loosely use the word documentary here. Yeah, loose is is 59 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: good for this, So I again to use a few 60 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: words loosely here. So, according to David Holt house journalist, 61 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: which is again a word I'm using maybe loosely. He 62 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: does a pretty good job in what he's fine hold house. 63 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about him and what I do 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of like about him, is he's like he worked 65 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: as a trimmer. Like so the pot industry. The there's 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: the people who moved the marijuana around the country, including 67 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: smuggle it into places where it's still fully illegal. There's 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: the people who sell it, either illegally or at dispensaries. Um. 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: There's the people who grow it. And then the largest 70 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: by number chunk of the weed trade, or the trimmers. 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: And those are the people every season, usually in the fall, 72 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: come down for three or four months, northern California's southern 73 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Oregon mostly and they take raw marijuana that's been like 74 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: bucked and cut off of the plant and they trim 75 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: it into the kind of buds that you buy. UM. 76 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: And this guy was doing that back in the nineties, 77 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: and he ran into these stories about a big foot 78 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: murdering two or three Mexican guys. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, 79 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: so I think he actually has a really good job 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: in this documentary. Yeah. I I actually didn't think it 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: was was bad. No, I was ready for it to 82 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: be bad, but I always quite impressed with So what 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: happened is, Yeah, like Crobert says said, they are these 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: probably migrant probably undocumented workers, right who come well, a 85 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: lot of them, there's a good chunk of them, probably, 86 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't know by my estimates. Maybe are like mostly 87 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: white kids from various parts of the country. A lot 88 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: of them are folks who are either kind of seasonally unhoused. 89 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Many of them like live in camp basically in places 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: like Arcada a big chunk of the year and then 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: we'll live on farms while they trim. Um. There are 92 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: a decent chunk who are undocumented. A lot are mong um, 93 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: Like a lot of are like first, like particularly older 94 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: among people who like came here after Vietnam and started 95 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: businesses and then like their kids and grandkids got into 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: the pot trade. And we're like, well, my you know, 97 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: grandma and my aunts retired, and they like they living 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: in the woods and are good at trimming, Like we 99 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: can make a bunch of extra money this way. Um, 100 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: it's all sorts up there. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: So these guys set out to do this deal, right 102 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: that they're three of the people who fall into the 103 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: undocumented labor category, and they never come back, and a 104 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: whole house is sitting in one of these farmhouses or 105 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: in a trailer or something, when when gouvern guys come 106 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: in and say, hey, those those dudes never came back 107 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: and they've been killed, right, they seem to have been 108 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: sort of pretty brutally murdered, but the we that they 109 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: were carrying was still there, so it wasn't like somebody 110 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: shook them down and stole the weed. Right. And yeah, you, 111 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: by the way, if it was a weed industry thing, 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't because everyone's got a lot of fucking weed. 113 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, people do steal weed, but if you're out 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: there doing a murder, it's probably because somebody's fucking with 115 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: your business in a bigger way than whatever they happen 116 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: to have on the fucking farm. Like, I wouldn't be 117 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: surprised if a pot murder would not result in whatever 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: ship they had in their trailer actually getting jacked. Okay, 119 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: right then, yeah, because the weeds the thing that everyone has, 120 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: so at the time, their deaths are largely, if not entirely, 121 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: factually attributed to bigfoot, right, it's put out there that 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: these people were murdered by Bigfoot. Now they are not 123 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the only people whose deaths have been blamed on bigfoot. 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Earlier this year, duly Seminole County Sheriff's Office reported the 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: murder of Mr Jimmy Knighton and the press release they said, 126 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Larry Sanders has reported killing Mr Jimmy Knighton by the 127 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: South Canadian River. Sanders and Knighton had been noodling in 128 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: the river on July. Okay, now, yeah, so give it 129 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: to me, Robert, you're you're you're from this part of 130 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: the world. It's when you stroke a catfish you don't 131 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: stroke well, yes, basically, it's when you use kind of 132 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: your fingers as bait and you catch a catfish by 133 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: the mouth. Right, we call it what a country? Yes, 134 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean James C. Robert to the kids these days, 135 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: catch a catch a catch a catfish by the north 136 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: being something very different. So does noodling, Yeah, or as 137 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: the Mormons call it, soaking. Sure, there's a great story. 138 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: This is off topic, but there was just an outbreak 139 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: in South Lake City of armpit crabs because so many 140 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: Mormon kids are having having armpit sex and protection it's awesome. 141 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: It's so funny. Really, it's not. That's just wow, we're 142 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: still doing this. We're still doing this, Gere. We're gonna 143 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: be doing this the rest of your natural life. Yeah, 144 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: never getting past this ship. This is what the future 145 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: halls feed decades of arm fucking. So, uh, sand Is 146 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: a knighting with They were old school noodling. They weren't online, 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, that's that's the best kind of noodling 148 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion. That's what I've heard. So they're at 149 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: they're at. At some point, Mr sand Is becomes convinced 150 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: that Knighton has summoned Bigfoot to kill him. Now, that's interesting. 151 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: You don't hear that a lot. You don't because I 152 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: didn't Bigfoot was summonable. That wasn't on the table of 153 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: things that I thought one could do to a Bigfoot. 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always thought Bigfoot was summonable, but not 155 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: for murder. For sex, sure, Okay, yeah, that's why his 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: armpits are so crabby. Well, that's what everyone says about Bigfoot, 157 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: so you can identify him in a crowd. So at 158 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: some point Sounders becomes convinced that Bigfoot is on his 159 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: way and he's going to kill him, and so he 160 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately strangles his noodling partner to death. Well that's tragic, 161 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: and then noodling partly tragic. Well, guess gonna leave it. 162 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: We're it's gonna leave it. We're just gonna move straight on. Yeah, yeah, 163 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, it does sound rather tragic. It does sound 164 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: rather sad. But he seems to have reported pretty openly 165 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: that he believed that Bigfoot was on its way and 166 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: if he didn't stop this ritual, that Bigfoot will kill him. 167 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: And a lot of as it turns out, things that 168 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: people can't really expla rain. Often the times when people 169 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: are in human to other humans tend to be explained 170 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: as the actions of monsters. Right, And I want I 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: want to quote from the documentarian, the director Joshua Rope, 172 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: who made that film. He says, the thing that people 173 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: should be afraid of is not the boogeyman in the woods. 174 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: It's our next door neighbors who will usually commit acts 175 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: of violence that will then terrify, you know, everybody on 176 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: the block or in the neighborhood. Said that working in 177 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: northern California was very scary. We did enter a sort 178 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: of underworld. You know, for lack of a better term, 179 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: and you know, we were really mindful to try and 180 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: not overstay our welcome there. So I want to get 181 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: into cryptichs a little bit, and I want to get 182 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: into some some of the more famous ones as well 183 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: as a curse. I've got a curse here. Yeah. The 184 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: curse is great because it's invented by the California Park Service. 185 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: But I want to explain kind of the social functions 186 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: that they sometimes serve as well as just having some 187 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: fun talking about cryptids. So the one that I thought 188 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: might serve a social function, and probably the most famous 189 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: cryptid aside from Bigfoot, is our friend the chupacabra, right 190 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: and yeah yeah In English, that translate to goat soccer, 191 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: which is okay, yeah, yeah, we're staying we're staying on 192 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: this bit. I see, yeah, yeah, we're on themes. Not 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: a bit garrison. Its culture, yeah, corporate, not a costume. 194 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: I'll say this. I'm reading a great book right now 195 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: about the goat soccer. No it's it's called The Last 196 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Emperor of Mexico, and it's about that Habsburg who tried 197 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: to become the Yeah yeah, and they hung his assid 198 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: in like three weeks. It's very funny. Um yeah, good stuff. 199 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: Huge respect to the people of Mexico. So actually that 200 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: chupacabra doesn't come from Mexico, comes from Puerto Rico. But 201 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: oh I didn't know that. Actually, yeah, we get a 202 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: little bit about the chubercabra. The perhaps the best source 203 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: for this, as far as I can find, is this 204 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: guy Benjamin Redford, who has written a book about the 205 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: tuber carbre and he shows that nearly all of the 206 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts can be traced back to this one, the 207 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: first account, which was this woman called Madeline Tolentino in 208 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: the ninety nineties in uh in Puerto rican Right. So 209 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: it's also much more recent than I thought. Like, the 210 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: tuber Cabra is twenty seven years old. It is said 211 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: it's younger than me, which is quite remarkable given how 212 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: much cultural impact has had. Yeah, I thought I thought 213 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: it was much older. Yeah, be too. I thought it 214 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: was this like an old tiny border legend, and you're 215 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: a forty nine James, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, okay, just 216 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: making it No, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kicking here 217 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: for a couple more years before I can claim that sweet. 218 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: I heeart media Hitchen, get that air p go to 219 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: the be able to go to the fucking the Sizzler 220 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: and get five percent off. That's it, man. I'm got 221 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: to be issued in my nineteen eleven, which you get 222 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: when you're sixty years old. You get a you get 223 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: a nineteen eleven and you get a Loui's Gift card 224 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: and you get to evoke the Second World War whenever 225 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: anyone is rude to you, even if you weren't in it, 226 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: and you're you're allowed to drive your car into a 227 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: farmer's market in the state of California up to twice. 228 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: You have to try. After that, you have to move 229 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: to Oregon. M that's right. So yeah, I'm until my retirement. 230 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: They I want to talk a little bit about this 231 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: is tuper copter. So uh, they're fascinating because like with Bigfoot, 232 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: right there are, as you have mentioned, eleven million Google results, 233 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: but no actual bigfoots right now, no one's ever found 234 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: a big foot. No one can present to biggs feet 235 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: a big big feet? Is that? Yeah? It takes an eye, right, 236 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's from the Italian big feet. That's ready. 237 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, Okay, so there are a big feete. 238 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: But there are tuper carputers um. And the reason there 239 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: are tuperbras is that what people a chapter right, the 240 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: name goat sucker. And this this will shock you, Garrison, 241 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: especially that the way that they are sucking goats is 242 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: perhaps not the way you would expect. Interesting. Yeah, they're 243 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: very innovative in this regard. What is happening is people 244 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: are finding their goats, their chickens, their live stock, with 245 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: their throat ripped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so it 246 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: is the way you would most animals need throats, right, 247 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,479 Speaker 1: it's one of the parts that yeah, they're not interchangeable, 248 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, they're really it's good to know. This 249 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: is all really important information. Yeah, so throat free goats, cattle, 250 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: cheap chickens tend not to survive very long. So a 251 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of times people come out in 252 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the morning find their animals throatless and dead. Yeah, you could. 253 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: You could call it a deep throating. That's where they 254 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: get it right deep in the throat. So they these 255 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: animals are dead, and the people claim that they're drained 256 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: of blood, which isn't quite true. But of course there's 257 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: there's only there's only two possible explanations, one obviously being 258 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: vampires um, the other being this being this cript creature. 259 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Well only possible things that could be that Subercabra is 260 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: a vampire. It's okay, okay, okay, so yeah, that's where 261 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: the ven diagram overlaps. It's this kind of it's it's 262 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: got goat like legs actually, but then it's bipedal. It 263 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: has kind of a human torso and a sort of 264 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: lizard meets wolf face. It's okay, so we're we're virgin 265 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: and like Jersey devil vampire terror. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 266 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: but it prefers warmer climate. It doesn't like Jersey and frankly, 267 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean me neither. So ye who doesn't think? Yeah, look, 268 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't go east to New Mexico, and I don't 269 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: think anyone else should either. No, it doesn't. It doesn't 270 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: care for Bruce Springsteen, and it doesn't want to live 271 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, so it stays out west. But it's 272 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: been reported all over the world. Actually. Now, the couple 273 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: of interesting things about these supercabra is one is that 274 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: people have found them, especially in Texas. Right, are you 275 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: familiar Robert with Texas blue dogs? No? Okay, I'll go 276 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: tell Robert something about Texas. So this lady, I don't 277 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: have her name right down here, she was a Texas nutritionist. 278 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: And but we do by the way, I will say, 279 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to like cryptids people taught me about 280 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: in Texas, it was the chopercabra. Oh well yeah, we we. 281 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean we're basically Mexico like yeah, yeah, not Ted Cruz, 282 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: who is the other famous Texas cripted Yeah, but unlike 283 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, this this tuper cabra had actually been to 284 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: a farm and it had been ripping out the throats 285 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: of these animals, right, And this lady had a problem 286 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: with with the animal's throats being ripped out. And then 287 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: one day she finds a corps of which she presumes 288 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: to be a chuper cabra. It is hairless, it looks 289 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of like a dog, but it has pronounced glands 290 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: on its bumps, on its back, I guess, and it 291 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: has thick blue skin. Sorry, what why would you do, 292 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: Robert if you, if you were living in Texas you 293 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: come across a dead chuper cabra, I mean, fry it 294 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: up a little, you know. I hadn't even even some 295 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: green chili throw that ship on there and just kind 296 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: of friar. I haven't even makes sense that one didn't 297 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: even hit me, but yeah, having yeah, I know, there 298 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: was a couple of taco spots we went to in Texas, 299 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: which that might have been what was going on. Yeah, 300 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: you just get whatever can of me done man or 301 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: meets meat. Yep, so that's not what the study did. 302 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: She was a nutrition it is, perhaps so she was 303 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: a little little worried about nutritional content. She had it 304 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: stuffed and it's in her living room today. Okay, okay, 305 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: it's just like a coyote, like what like what what 306 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: is it? Well, that's an interesting question, isn't it. Garrison 307 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: is an interesting questions? Yes, what the what the blue 308 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: dog seems to be. It's some kind of hybrid of 309 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: a Mexican wolf and a coyote that has some kind 310 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: of mange which has made all its fall off. Nearly 311 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: all of the chupa cabras are are some sort of 312 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: canine with mange, because mange makes it look like a 313 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: fucking monster. Yeah, so like if you saw a giant 314 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: sphinx cat, you would also think that's the criptace. Yes, yeah, 315 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: and especially if they've been ripping the throats. Are you animals? Right? 316 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: Because these poor coyotes and feral dogs and search is 317 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: so weakened by the main so they can't prey on 318 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: wild animals, and so they tend to come. Okay, right, 319 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to catch chickens. You can get into 320 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: the coop, right, because they've got nowhere to go or 321 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: to catch goats. And so unfortunately, what's happening is that 322 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: these dogs, these various canids are getting mange and they 323 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: are unfortunately too weak to hunt, and so they're killing 324 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: things like captive goats and chickens. And that is where 325 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: the tupercarbra miss comes from. Going back to the bipedal 326 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: tupercarbra though, it's very interesting. That sounds a little bit 327 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: more fun. Yeah. So, in the year before the tuper 328 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: Carbra was seen, there was a film made in Puerto 329 00:18:53,880 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: Rico and it was called Species Oh man, Yeah, okay, okay. 330 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the the original eyewitness reports which began the 331 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: year after that film was released, Yeah, this I've heard, 332 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: they all perfectly described the creature. It's got the spines 333 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: on its back. Radford. Radford is a person doing right 334 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: in the book Radford said, the resemblance between the creature, 335 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: which is called Sill in the film, and the tuper 336 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: cabra is really impressive. So yeah, the the old quadrupedal 337 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: tuper cabra, it's a dog with Maine. The bipedal tuper 338 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: cabra seems to be exclusively explained by this this movie 339 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: and people's feelings about United States colonialism in Puerto Rico, 340 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: specifically the number of defense facilities and labs in the 341 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: un k Rainforest, and their feelings that maybe something like 342 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: this ship could come out of one of these US labs, 343 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: because if the US was developing a terrible creature that 344 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: sucked the blood of people, it would absolutely do it 345 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: in one of its colonial properties. Right, Yes, that entirely 346 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: makes sense. So there's there's in a sense, to chupa carbra, 347 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: according to Radford's theory, gives a physical manifestation of this 348 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: feeling of disgust with the the United States. And I 349 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: got a couple of other cryptids. I was going to 350 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: talk very briefly about the Beast of Procter Valley, and 351 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: then I want to talk about the Curse of Body, 352 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: which is a curse, not a cryptid, but First, Robert, 353 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: do you know which what will not ambush your lifetock 354 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: and rip its throat out? Um? I mean like a 355 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: like a good sheep dog wouldn't do that. That's right, 356 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: and that's why this episode is presented by border colleagues. Wow, 357 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: finally we finally got the big deal with the border collie. Yeah, 358 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: that's as real complex. That's good. Yep. Just use promo code, 359 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: Robert Evans when you're buying your border collie attempt and off. 360 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Just walk up to a border collie and shout my 361 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: name in its face. Try to grab its food away 362 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: from it rapidly too. That's a good way to get 363 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: their attention and see what happens. Ye used to be herded. Yeah, 364 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: so see if it likes that. All right, we're back. 365 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: I hope you've all got your border collies because this 366 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: this next, this next crypted is it's a little local one. Okay, 367 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: So they're a crypted a bit like the Trouper carbro 368 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: all across the country. But the one that we have 369 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: closest to San Diego is called the Proctor Valley Beast. 370 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: And now to understand the Proctor Valley Beast, I think 371 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you've got to understand Proctor Valley. Proctor Valley is exactly 372 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: the sort of dirt road that you go down when 373 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: you're sixteen years old when you want to go somewhere 374 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: with your date, pound a few beers and get away 375 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: from your parents. Right, these kind of exist all over 376 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: the country, all over the world probably, and there a 377 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: little closer. They're close enough to know about, but far 378 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: enough away to seem weird and distant. Right, And Proctor 379 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: Valley is a gravel road and you can drive down 380 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: at a regular carb. It's pretty washboarded. There's no lights, 381 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: there's no street lights, nothing like that. Right, these days, 382 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: your greatest danger when you're driving, riding a bike, or 383 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: walking or driving down Prompt Valdy Road is the Border 384 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Patrol absolutely hauling ass in one of their Ford Raptors, 385 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: which they seem to have obtained. And I will never 386 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: understand their love for the Ford Raptor. Yeah it is. 387 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how much those costs, but it is 388 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: an obscene amount of money to spend on a pickup truck. Well, 389 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: it's also like, look, if I'm going to be out 390 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: in the in the middle of nowhere and trusting an 391 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: off roading vehicle, my first pick is not going to 392 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: be the Ford goddamn rap. Well you've got to buy 393 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: American robot. Yeah. But the Border Patrol, of course they're 394 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: driving for it's unbelievable. Yeah. Well they always have a 395 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: predator drowne hanging out. It can come rescue him. Yeah. Yeah, 396 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: the Border Patrol and steroid abusers in my old neighborhood 397 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: in West l A. Shaking hands over the Ford Raptors. Yea, 398 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: Ford Raptors with illegal things. Yeah, Ford Raptors. The car 399 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: you can only drive if you have adult onset acne 400 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: caused as a result of actually hormones into your fucking 401 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: thigh every night. Yeah. They sell a lot of them 402 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: in the l A. Coming to Deny. Yeah, well you 403 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: already need one for, you know, getting down Beverly Hills. 404 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: But not the good hormones, like the ones you you 405 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: steal from the horses blood. Yeah. Yeah, the hormones you 406 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: take when you're wanting to be more match of but 407 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: maybe not quite, not quite achieving your gender insecurities. Okay, 408 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: So legend has it that young couple headed off down 409 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Proctor Valley Road one night and their car broke down, 410 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: so the young man gets out this is a male 411 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: female couple, and he's going to fix the car, right, 412 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: And he says to the lady in a very chivalrous 413 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: way that she should lock the doors so she's safe. Right. 414 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: That's the last she hears him. So she assumes he's 415 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: gone off to get some help, and she nods off. 416 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: She's got the doorstops very safety knots off and she's 417 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: a welcome by a kind of scratching sound and the 418 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: winds howling. Every time the wind blows is a little 419 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: scratch on the roof. Scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch scratch, right, 420 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: wind noise. I'm not going to do the wind noise. 421 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: And she starts shooting herself right. She's very scared now. 422 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: Scratch scrat, scratch, win, win win, scratch scrat scratch. And 423 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: she stays there till sunshine when she's son up. When 424 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: she's woken up by the good people of the San 425 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: Diego Sheriff's Department, San Diego Sheriff's Department of shouting their 426 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: point of guns that they're doing their thing. Why are 427 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: they doing that? Because her boyfriend is hanging upside down, 428 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: dismembered from the tree above her and his nails are 429 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: catching the top of the car every time the wind 430 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: blows him. Right, he's been killed by the Procter Valley beast. 431 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Now the producta valley beast is an animal of kind 432 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: of nondescript shape and size. The in the local radio 433 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: DJ organized a search for the Proctor Valley beast. Right, 434 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: people went out at night. Previously, the Proctor Valley beast. 435 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: Most of the stories it kind of looked like a 436 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: kind of winged, bipedal, half human, gobbling creature. It changed 437 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: in form in the seventies when people conducting it's just 438 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: kind of a teen radio thing. In the seventies, right, 439 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: people conducting the search reported finding a deranged cow. Okay, 440 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: the cow was probably not directed. The cow is just sleeping. Yeah. 441 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I've known more cows than most people. I grew up 442 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: on a cow farm. I've seen them behave in a 443 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: variety of ways. I've never seen one appeared deranged. That's 444 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: because they're moving very quickly. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're sick. 445 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: Deranged is an interesting because cows don't really have enough 446 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: going on up there to be deranged. Because you didn't 447 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: grow up in the United Kingdom in a certain period 448 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: of time, Robert, when our cows became mad. Well, but 449 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: that's still I've I've seen cows that have mad cow 450 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: disease and they're like, they're ill, but they're I don't know, yeah, 451 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: they're they're not like yeah, yeah, that's they're like getting 452 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: the name of their eldest daughter, and like as they 453 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: lose their way home going on violent rampages, they're not 454 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: asking where their husband, who died twenty three years ago 455 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: is when they wake up in the middle of the 456 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: night anyway, a senile cow that they have to go. 457 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: They go and live on a farm when they get 458 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: all the cats. Why you haven't seen him, Robert, I 459 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: sure do like that, young Rodal Reagan. My cowboys. Yeah, yeah, 460 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: they they get they get, Oh, they forget things. They 461 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump, they do a fascism. That's what 462 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: happens to cows is the only ways cows can die. 463 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: Otherwise they live very happy and fulfilled lives in the countryside. 464 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: So why why do we have this proct valley bes right? 465 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: Why is there a mad cow that murdered a young 466 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: man who was it was out late that with a 467 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: young woman. No one, No one knows who this young 468 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: man is right. I did trauma best to find reports 469 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: of any murders in Prompt Valley. And of course it 470 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: won't surprise you to learn that we have in fact 471 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: discovered dead bodies in Promptic Valley, because unfortunately, Proptic Valley 472 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: is just a few miles from the border, and and 473 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: I've spent quite a lot of time out in that area, 474 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: and that unfortunately, the people that we are finding their 475 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Proctor Valley haven't been killed by deranged cow or a 476 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: bipedal beast, but in fact by the elements rights people 477 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: trying to cross the border and find a better life 478 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: for themselves and not making it as far as the 479 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: dirt road which leads to a small town, which leads 480 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: to a big road, which leads to a big town 481 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: that is close to there. And so what the Proctor 482 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Valley Beast is a myth that serves to tell kids 483 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: to not drive down dirt roads late at night on 484 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: their own, right. It's two kids, fun your parents. Yeah, absolutely, 485 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: fucking send it. Your mediata can handle it, Get off road, 486 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: do some drifting. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe, 487 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: if you're out there, take a gallon of water, and 488 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm not going to say that because there 489 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: might be a crime. Yeah, we can cut that. I 490 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: was going to say, a hand down with a single 491 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: bullet in case you get stuck off road, a silver 492 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: bullet and yeah, and a nail to hit it with. 493 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: So the last, the last case I want to get 494 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: to you is the Curse of Body State Historic Park. 495 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: Do you know, Joe, what at is? Robert? No, When 496 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: you said Body, I thought immediately about the movie Point Break. Okay, 497 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Oh well that's okay, that Garrison 498 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: you've seen it. Point I'm sorry, I forgot this is 499 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: the Point Break. This is an audio medium. Yeah, I 500 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: can't shake my head. No, No, I'm not seen Point Break. 501 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: You haven't seen Point Break? Oh my god, Oh my god. 502 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: I watched the filmmaker's previous, far superior film that will 503 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: not be named. This is that like one person will 504 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: get who Well, we're gonna have to watch Point Break. 505 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: But there's a guy named Body on it and he 506 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: is kind of a crypted interesting so there Body has 507 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a problem, right, Body is robbing all 508 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: those those banks anyway, this story does involve some robbing. 509 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh good, Yeah, but I have a bit of theft 510 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: on the podcast. So what happened in Body is Body's 511 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: got a problem, right, But he has a problem specifically 512 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: with mail, because almost every week when the rangers from 513 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: Body travel into town to get the mail, they have 514 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: to collect half a dozen or so little packages containing 515 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: little things like rocks, pizzas of wood, fragments of pottery, 516 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: or coins. And all of those little packages have letters 517 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: attached to them, and I'm going to read from some 518 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: of those letters. Please find enclosed one weather beating an 519 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: old shoe. The shoe was removed from Body during the 520 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: months of August. My trail of misfortune is so long 521 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: and depressing it can't be listed here. Another one. You 522 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: can have these god forsaken rocks back. I've never had 523 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 1: so much rotten luck in my life. Please forgive me 524 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: for ever testing the curse of Body. Okay, so what 525 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: we got here, what we got here is a curse, right, 526 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: just a good old fashioned If you steal something from 527 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: the town, the town will come back and hurt you, right, Yeah, 528 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: And so Body popped up in the late nineteenth century 529 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: gold Rush rights in between Mono Lake a Lake Tahoe. 530 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: They it's it's named after a gold prospector, there was 531 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: some gold found there. In fact, at its height, body 532 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: hosted around ten thousand people, right, And for those ten 533 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: thousand people, there were sixty saloons, which is a pretty 534 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: good ratio. There's multiple documented gunfights on the main street. 535 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: But it seems like the stereotypical wild West town that 536 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: after the gold rushers are over, it wasn't such a 537 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: great place to live, so people abandoned it. And it's 538 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: now managed by the California Park Service, right, And the 539 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: California Park Service curates this ghost town in arrested decay 540 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: so that people can come and see this little slice 541 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: of history. And there's a lot we can learn from these, 542 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: like these places that have been abandoned, right, we can 543 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: learn a lot about the history of everyday life, like 544 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: what things do people have in their kitchen? Why with 545 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: this next to that? Why is there a knife here? 546 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: Why is why the beer bottles kept here? There's a 547 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: lot that historians can learn over time that they might 548 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: not find initially. So it's important to keep these things 549 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: in really pristine condition. Right. The problem that they had 550 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: was once they opened the park, you could just walk 551 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: around town, right, It's not like a museum there aren't 552 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: a little ropes that there aren't plexiglass dividece keeping you 553 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: away from stuff, and people took that as an invitation 554 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: to steal ship, and steal ship they did so. The 555 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: park's ranger, who I cannot find the name of anywhere, 556 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: but at some point a park ranger giving the walking 557 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: tours around Body, started telling people about this legendary curse. 558 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: And this curse, he said, made it so that anyone 559 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: who took anything from Body would be pursued by bad 560 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: luck for the rest of their life. Didn't really think 561 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: anything which didn't want people to steal ship, right, And 562 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: as a result, hundreds of people who had stolen things 563 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: from Body started returning them in their mail. Right. They're 564 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: blaming everything from cellulitis, cancer, failed relationships, so on the 565 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: thing that they stole from body. That this would just 566 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: be funny if it wasn't for the fact that every 567 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: single one of these items has been stolen from a 568 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: protected site. Right. The Park Service has now set itself 569 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: up with this huge administrative burden, which is reporting a 570 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: theft for every single shoe or piece of glass or 571 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: button that's stolen from body, So it's taking up a 572 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: huge in order amount of their time, and they no 573 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: longer will speak. I've tried to reach out. I didn't 574 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: get a response. I did. I did drop them a 575 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Facebook message on their page trying to trying to talk 576 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: to someone about this. But they no longer talk about 577 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: the curse because it's created such a burden for them, 578 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: filing police reports and all these buttons. This is the 579 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: actual curse that they did themselves. Like this is this 580 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: is how most curses actually work. That you just actually 581 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: like the effect is what you turned the thing into 582 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: and now you're forced to all the police reports and 583 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: that's the actual effect of the curse. Yeah, I think 584 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. I think it's great that they made just 585 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: this rod for their own bag. You know, you know 586 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: what won't curse you with cancer or sell you litis? Garrison, 587 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: I cannot There's there's a lot of weird stuff that 588 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Excellent mobile will give you cancer. Yeah. Well, the gold 589 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: that we're about to plug, that's totally totally said. You 590 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: can huff that gold, you can melt it down, dip 591 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: your hand in, get a gold plate at hand, totally fine, 592 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: lick it, lick it, pop it. You know, it's that 593 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: to Garrison, sure. Shame was incredibly popular when I was 594 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: a kid. It was like everywhere. Alright, we're back and 595 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: having well received our little bags of gold for that 596 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: plug we did. Yep, I have mine right here. I 597 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: like to keep it with me in case the ship 598 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: hits the fan. I'm buried. I've buried mine in the 599 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: middle of the Organ desert. Smart, I've buried a couple 600 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: of things in the middle of the Oregon desert, none 601 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: of them gold. Well, that was a big sense on 602 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: your definition of gold. Bigfoot to arm pit, that's what 603 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: you buried out in your definition of that guy started 604 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: a barbershop in whatever. Continue Okay, yeah, yeah, we don't 605 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: need to talk about that on the podcast. Thanks Dan. 606 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: We don't want any more Robert's felonies on on Maine, 607 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: since only a felony if the police find the body, 608 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: that's true, But maybe you could put put some sh 609 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: it out there about a curse related to the body. Yeah, 610 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: I give it some Maine, yeah, and then stuff it. 611 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: So why why do we have curses encrypted? Obviously partly 612 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: because it's just fucking fun, and partly because some of 613 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: our beliefs, right, like if we if we look at 614 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: Dirk him or what Dirk him thought religion worth Religion 615 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: is kind of an outgrowth of society that unites people 616 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: based on a moral code. Right, and functionalists more broadly 617 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: in sociology, believe that these beliefs serve and function in society. 618 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these things help us 619 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: explain things that we can't otherwise explain, or give a 620 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: more palatable explanation for things that we don't care to explain, right, 621 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: or things and and like in nearly all of these cases, 622 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: there are things that ripped children away from their mothers. 623 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: There's another Mexican like shape shifting, which that ripped children 624 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: away from their mothers. Right. Unfortunately, there are things that 625 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: RiPP children away from their mothers, and your taxpayer dollars 626 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: pay for them. Right, But it it works a little 627 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: better to explain things that we don't that don't fit 628 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: with our other systems of belief through Like if we 629 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: fundamentally believe right that that I know that that the 630 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: world is good in capitalism is wonderful, and that gradually 631 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: things will trickle down so that everyone gets richer of 632 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: the rich get richer first, it can become very hard 633 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: to explain the state of the world unless you are 634 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: a member of the Conservative and Union As Party of 635 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: Great Britain and Northern Ireland of course, And so instead 636 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: we create these external things, right, these things that go 637 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: bump in the night, So sometimes they can be a 638 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: proxy for external forces, right. The chuper Cabra in a 639 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: way kind of explains as we get closer to nature 640 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: and nature pushes back on us a little bit, that 641 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: why that happens, right, rather than just saying what funk 642 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: we've given all these cooties Maine? How that? How on 643 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: earth are we in a state where there's a blue 644 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: dog walking around the The tuper caabre also serves as 645 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: a way to kind of personify for people in Puerto Rico, 646 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: either consciously or unconsciously, that the terrible impact of the 647 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: United States colonialism there right, which it's not very hard 648 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: to see, and even the Proctor Valley beast right that 649 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: says stay away from this dark road near the border 650 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: late at night. There were reasons to stay away from there, 651 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: but unfortunately there are there are also reasons to go 652 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: there and try and help people who are genuinely suffering, 653 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: and lots of people I know going go and leave 654 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: water out there. So these curses, they kind of let 655 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: credit scores right. They're not real, but they can sometimes 656 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: ruin your life, and so sometimes it's just easier to 657 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: pretend that it's magic doing that rather than its overarching 658 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: global system, which is not very nice. And that's kind 659 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: of where I want to finish up. I guess is this. 660 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: These are ways to explain things that we can't always explain, 661 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: and that's that's sometimes okay, because sometimes it can be 662 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: hard to confront these things. You've got anything else you 663 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: want to say about cryptids, Robert, I don't know. Um. 664 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I think if you're in an industry that's adjacent to 665 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: illegal drugs and you murder someone in the woods, it's 666 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: probably a good idea to blame it on Bigfoot. So 667 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: that would be my advice for our listeners is to 668 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: blame your crimes on bigfoot. M hmm, I don't know. 669 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: Do you guys believe in Bigfoot? Let's let's end by 670 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: talking about that, like like actually like believe in the 671 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: physical ape like thing that's been dustly undiscovered that rooms 672 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: in force, say ape like Garrison primate, I think doesn't 673 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: necessarily mean ape like sure primate probably, and I do 674 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: I do do not do not think that there's a 675 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: physical one exists. Now. I think, like we've mentioned before, 676 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: like the words you know, you can say like a 677 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: curse isn't really, but it can still have effects based 678 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: on how we talk about it and how like we 679 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: can kind of make it real by our own actions. 680 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: And the same thing like I don't think bigfoot of 681 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: the primate exists, but as a cultural symbol that has 682 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: impact based it is real in some way. Um, but 683 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: it's not like not like except for I would say 684 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: it is real in a physical way. Um. And uh, 685 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: have you seen a big foot robber? Are you gonna 686 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: this is this way you drop in your big foot? 687 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: I actually I actually have. I've seen a couple. I've 688 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: seen a couple of large animals out in the woods. 689 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: I seen weird in the woods. I don't think I'm 690 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: not comfortable calling it a bigfoot, but well I am 691 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: weird weird things in the woods certainly. Certainly. Yeah, I've 692 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: seen a lot of weird things in the woods and 693 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: all of them were bigfoot, as far as has anyone 694 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: has ever been able to convince me. Um. And you know, 695 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: when you get right down to it, isn't that what 696 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Christmas is all about Yes, half Happy Halloween, and Happy 697 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: Halloween everybody. It Could Happen Here as a production of 698 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, 699 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com or check 700 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 701 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: or every listen to podcasts. You can find sources for 702 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zone Media 703 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.