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Speaker 1: marine every day in order to be a marine. In

428
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Speaker 1: my eyes, now that I'm no longer on active duty,

429
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Speaker 1: I really I don't. I don't uh once again earn

430
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Speaker 1: my Eagle Gloman anchor every day. You know, I'm doing

431
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Speaker 1: a completely different line of work. I'm not living the

432
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Speaker 1: ideals of the Marine Corps. I'm trying to live by

433
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: a different set of ideals now, So I don't. I

434
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair for me to say that I

435
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 1: represent the Marine Corps. Yeah, you know entirely now so

436
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: retired marine and author Alex Hollings. But the first thing

437
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Speaker 1: that I know you wanted to touch on, and I

438
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: know oftentimes Jack, you feel like the media talks way

439
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: too much about this one congress woman, which I understand,

440
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: But since this is in our wheelhouse, Alexandria Stasio Cortez

441
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: calling the saying about the v A if it ain't broke,

442
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: don't fix it, and basically endorsing the treatment there. That's

443
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: the weirdest fucking statement I've ever heard in my life.

444
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: At a loss, Alex didn't like. In the last month,

445
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: we had like three guys down in Austin, Texas killed

446
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Speaker 1: themselves in the v A. They're like, just shot in Georgia.

447
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: One of them was at the v A that I

448
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: was at just a few days prior. One of them

449
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: was in Austin, Texas. The guy actually shot himself in

450
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Speaker 1: the v A waiting room. World class healthcare. Yeah, the

451
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: two that did it in Georgia were both in the parking.

452
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: Why what the fuck about this is ever? This is

453
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: this month? Yeah, Yeah, you guys did it over the

454
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: span of five days, like two weeks ago. Do do

455
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: you guys think it's possible she's unaware of it, because

456
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: in fact, I think she's unaware of a lot of things.

457
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: She's someone's very focused on on, like climate change and

458
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: those type of issues. Maybe veterans issues are just not

459
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Speaker 1: on for her. In her mind. It's like big government

460
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: is the answer. It's a good thing. Like she thinks

461
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: we need to be more like East Germany or something

462
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: like that so in her mind, and nationalized healthcare system

463
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: like VA is like the greatest thing never fucking happened.

464
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Speaker 1: But those of us, you know, who have actually been

465
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Speaker 1: to v A hospitals, and I've had mostly good experiences,

466
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: but I can tell you having used commercial healthcare on

467
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: commercial health insurance like it is also like night and day. Well,

468
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: I can tell you this my experience going to that

469
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: same v A. It's right outside of Atlanta. I think

470
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Speaker 1: it's indicator the Atlanta VA hospital that one of these

471
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Speaker 1: suicides just took place at. I was there about a

472
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Speaker 1: week prior, a little less than because you guys know

473
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Speaker 1: we've talked about it before. I've got this problem with

474
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: my eyes or occasionally I just kind of go blind,

475
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Speaker 1: you know, and uh, it's an ongoing thing. I've been

476
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: getting treatment for a long time, so uh previously it

477
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: had always just been in my right eye, and like

478
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: a month ago or so, I woke up one morning

479
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: with it in both eyes and I couldn't see hardly anything.

480
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: So I freaked out, you know, because going blind is terrifying.

481
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: It's much more upsetting. I think that I could really

482
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: convey because you don't realize how much you're connected to

483
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: the world around you by vision. You know, it would

484
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: be like losing a leg would be something like you

485
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: could kind of like deal with, but going behind. Honestly,

486
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: I've used that analogy before because you know, I've had

487
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. So I had a lot of

488
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Speaker 1: surgeries on you know, both knees, one of my ankles.

489
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Speaker 1: So I've spent time in a wheelchair. I spent a

490
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Speaker 1: lot of time on crutches. Obviously I would be I

491
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: would sooner lose a limb or even two than my vision,

492
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Speaker 1: which I realized is an insensitive thing to say to

493
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Speaker 1: someone who's lost a limb, But man, I'm I'm terrified

494
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Speaker 1: of going blind, genuinely. And so I got on the

495
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: phone to call the v A to like try to

496
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Speaker 1: get in to see a doctor there at the at

497
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: the eye clinic. I was on hold for probably two

498
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Speaker 1: hours before I was able to reach someone. But in

499
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: their defense, I was like, I woke up blind and

500
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm terrified, And they said, all right, we have an

501
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: opening today at I need you to get here right away,

502
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: you know. So I took the rest of the day

503
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Speaker 1: off from work, drove to the v A, which is

504
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half from my house. Well,

505
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: you drove your wife, drove my wife. Okay, I'm just checking.

506
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: Just check. My wife drove with my poor daughter in

507
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Speaker 1: the car. And I will not bring my wife and

508
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Speaker 1: daughter into a v A hospital. I won't do it. Uh,

509
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: they're they're jam packed with people with strong emotions that

510
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: are going through real big problems. Uh, there's not a chance.

511
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Speaker 1: So I needed them to just drop me off and

512
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: then just stand by until I get seen. You know.

513
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: So I got into the waiting room and for the

514
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: first hour that I waited, there wasn't even an open

515
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: chair in the waiting room. I waited standing without a

516
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Speaker 1: number of us. We're standing for the first hour. Then

517
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: it started to clear out a little bit, so I

518
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: was able to get into a chair, but then, you know,

519
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: an older veteran was standing, so I gave my chair up.

520
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I ended up waiting for a little over three hours.

521
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: I had a chair for maybe an hour of it.

522
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: To see a doctor for ten minutes. Excuse me. First

523
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I saw a tech that dilated my eyes and all

524
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. Then I waited in another forty five minutes.

525
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: Then I saw a doctor for about ten minutes who said, well,

526
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can really do for you today. I

527
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: want you to come back in six weeks and tell

528
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: me if it's worse, and sent me on my way

529
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: all told, I was at the VA Hospital for about

530
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: six hours for me to spend ten minutes with a

531
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: doctor who said they couldn't help me and send me home.

532
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: It's just a very stark comparison when when you've experienced both,

533
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: because I mean going to v A, just trying to

534
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: make an appointment at v A, you gotta call a number,

535
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: then you gotta funk around on the on the Touchtowne

536
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: phone figure out which department you need to get to.

537
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: I spent like an hour one time on that automated

538
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: phone system, and when I finally got where it was

539
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: supposed to go, they said they couldn't make appointments because

540
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: the system was down. And I'm telling the v A

541
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: system the phone system is just like if you've ever

542
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: called an embassy. They worked the same way, like they

543
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: work in circles to try to keep you from reaching

544
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: a person. Now, so it's like press this button to

545
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: get this recording that'll tell you to press a different

546
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: in five By comparison, if you have health insurance, you

547
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: can't go online, and there are all these websites and

548
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: like they searched for doctors in your area and they

549
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: have like ratings, you know if that matters to you,

550
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, like you know stars, and uh, you find

551
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: one you like, you book an appointment. It literally takes

552
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: like five minutes. Yeah, you're done, And I mean it's

553
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: it's important to know. Yeah, our health care system is

554
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of jack though. I can tell you because

555
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: this is with this job, I don't have health care

556
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to when I did, and the amount I'm

557
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: paying to just pay for healthcare outside of your career,

558
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. I actually recently canceled my health

559
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: insurance because I was paying a lot of money and

560
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: gave me ship coverage. Um, and I didn't even have

561
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: dental when I went, I'm like, what the fuck? Dentals

562
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I don't have dental either, which is

563
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: I need to get it now because my wife's got

564
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: a problem she needs addressed. And that's how I decided

565
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: that I need insurances. I'm gonna go try to hunt

566
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: down some dental insurance to sign up for because now

567
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: I need it. Yeah, I could, I could tell you

568
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: my former employer, when I was able to just go

569
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: to the dentist and they're like, cool, it's you know,

570
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: it ended up being like, I don't know, twenty dollars

571
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: for certain things. I was like, this is amazing. And

572
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: now not having a health insurance through my employer, it's

573
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: a whole another world. You need something totally mundane one

574
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, that's a five cope, Like an

575
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: x ray cost just six hundred bucks. I learned because

576
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: my wife needed an X ray just recently on her

577
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: job was six dollars. And I'll tell you, I mean

578
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: thankfully my uh my daughter had health insurance through my

579
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: ex wife. This this happened years ago. She my daughter

580
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: got an infection and was in the hospital. I remember

581
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: this for like six days, I think five or six days.

582
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: The bill comes in the mail, seventy dollars. Are you

583
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: still paying that off? No? No, we used through health insurance,

584
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: so they picked up most of the two. But that's

585
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: an idea of the kind of price tag you're looking at.

586
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: How screwed up our medical system currently. And both of

587
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: my parents, you know, my father passed this past year,

588
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: but prior to that, both of my parents worked their

589
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: whole lives in the health care industry. And I want

590
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: to be clear that I don't hold be A doctors

591
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: and nurses accountable for how bad the v A is,

592
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, like they're hopelessly understaffed, that are incredibly overworked.

593
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: The same thing with our overall health care industry. It's

594
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: not these individual healthcare providers that are the problem. It's

595
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: the system isn't working right. But that doesn't mean we

596
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: need to throw the system away for this single payer plan.

597
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: That one thing a lot of people don't think about

598
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: is how it would collapse. You know, it's not a

599
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: third of our economy that is currently healthcare based. A

600
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: lot of people are employed by this broken machine. And

601
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: if you replace that broken machine overnight with a new machine,

602
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: broken or not, those people need work. So what was

603
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: your take then, on Acasio Cortez's uh comments about v A. Well,

604
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: it seems to me and I think Jack and I

605
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: are on the same page about this. This she's an

606
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: excellent example of someone who gets a great deal of attention,

607
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: but it's more flash than substance, you know. She I'd

608
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: be much more interested in seeing her actually accomplished something

609
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: and then trying to grade her based on her performance

610
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: rather than the headlines she's able to garner through Twitter.

611
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: But it seems to me that this is a great

612
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: example of her talking without knowing what the hell she's

613
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: talking about, which I want to be clear, is not

614
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: something I assigned only to her, you know, it's I

615
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that she's just the Democratic response to the

616
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Donald Trump approach to politics, which is it's more about

617
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: what you can get the people to think than it

618
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: is about what's actually happening. Right, Yeah, well said, I

619
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: think it is true when you see it on both sides. Um.

620
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: And then the other topic that we wanted to cover

621
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: is an F thirty five mission off the coast of Japan,

622
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: which you're about to write about. Yeah, well, so this

623
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: up thirty five went down here earlier this month. It's

624
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the second time, and F thirty five has been a

625
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: total loss in the history of the program. There may

626
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: be problems with the thirty five, but them going down

627
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: has not been one of them. They tend to be

628
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: reliable aircraft. However, these F thirty fives in Japan were

629
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: actually built by Mitsubishi, not by Lockheed Martin production facilities,

630
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: and they have been riddled with problems. Uh that that's

631
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: a part of the story that hasn't really been talked

632
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: about much in the press. But there's only been I

633
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: think thirteen of these F thirty fives built in the

634
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Mitsubishi plant, and they've had seven emergency landings in the

635
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: past month, maybe six weeks now, of just those aircraft,

636
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, and one of them was this F thirty

637
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: five that went down. This would actually be the third

638
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: time it had some sort of an issue or a

639
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: failure during flight operations of that same one airplane, you know,

640
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: which I think is likely why the pilot didn't eject.

641
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Speaker 1: I think that this was probably the third time that

642
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Speaker 1: this same aircraft had this this or a him more issue,

643
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: and he thought that he could get a handle on it.

644
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: He had been able to limp it back to the

645
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: airstrip uh in each of the two previous times, either

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Speaker 1: him or a different pilot in the same aircraft. So

647
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: I really think that because Japan only has thirteen of

648
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Speaker 1: these airplanes, because they cost about a hundred million dollars apiece,

649
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Speaker 1: because there's such an important part of their defense strategy

650
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: against China, I think that he was willing to give

651
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Speaker 1: his life effectively to try to get this airplane back

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Speaker 1: to the airstrip to get it up and running again,

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00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: which is tragic because he's still missing, you know, yeah,

654
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: you know. But the more present concern I think for

655
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people was the idea that China Russia

656
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: might be able to get their hands on large components

657
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: of the wreckage. Uh, you don't think they already have

658
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: like the entire design of that airplane and probably like

659
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Speaker 1: physical pieces. Oh, they would d have the entire design.

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Speaker 1: A man named Sue Bin was actually he's doing prison

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Speaker 1: time right now for providing China with the technical schematics

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Speaker 1: for both the F twenty two, the thirty five to

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Speaker 1: C one third J and a number of other American

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Speaker 1: military aircraft. That's what the J twenty effectively is is

665
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Speaker 1: it's what they built using those specs. But there's a

666
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Speaker 1: lot that you can't glean from a blueprint, right Uh.

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Speaker 1: For instance, our stealth coding that we applied to the

668
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Speaker 1: aircraft is supposed to be significantly advanced over China's and

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Speaker 1: certainly over Rushes, so that that coding, if they were

670
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Speaker 1: able to reverse engineer that, it could really bolster their

671
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: stealth endeavors. Russia still hasn't quite figured out how to

672
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Speaker 1: build a stealth airplane, even though they call the SU

673
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Speaker 1: fifty seven a stealth airplane. If you look at it

674
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Speaker 1: up close, you can see gaps in the body panels,

675
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: just like you get in a cheap car. It's like

676
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: a Honda Alantra. You know, those gaps will produce radar returns.

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00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, so China and China needs an engine, Russia

678
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: needs to learn how to stealth. Both of them could

679
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: feasibly benefit a great deal from getting their hands on

680
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: elements of this aircraft. Uh. And it's not an unheard

681
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: of thing. You know. The Soviet K one to nine

682
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Speaker 1: submarine that went down I think in seven four the

683
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Speaker 1: c I A spent you know, the equivalent of four

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Speaker 1: billion dollars trying to recover that submarine covertly. Uh. They

685
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Speaker 1: ended up, I think, pulling up like a third of it,

686
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: but the other two thirds collapsed back down into the ocean.

687
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: The J. G. Ballard expedition to find the Titanic was

688
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: like part of the cover for that. Yeah, which is

689
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I love that story. It's incredible, but it just goes

690
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: to show that when it comes to trying to develop

691
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the F thirty five is a solid example.

692
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Speaker 1: I would liken it to like building car terms. The

693
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Speaker 1: first time I ever tried to build a race car

694
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: was a turbocharged Eagle Talent when I was like sixteen,

695
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: and I probably spent three times as much as I

696
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: needed to to get it to do what it ended

697
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Speaker 1: up doing, because I didn't know what the hell I

698
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Speaker 1: was doing. That's where China and Russia are right now

699
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to building fifth generation fighters. If they

700
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: can get their hands on elements of this F thirty five,

701
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: it could help them develop a more effective strategy and

702
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: fielding their own fifth generation platforms. That said, I'm sure

703
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Speaker 1: Japan and the United States are actively trying to prevent this.

704
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Speaker 1: I'd imagine that there's a great deal of submarine activity

705
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Speaker 1: in that vicinity right now, with U S flags on

706
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: the shoulders the guys driving those subs. Uh, but I'm

707
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Speaker 1: sure that there are Russian and Chinese subs in the area.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting how that works. How we develop

709
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Speaker 1: these technologies to get a you know, a jump on

710
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the enemy, and uh, inevitably they fall into the enemy's hands,

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Speaker 1: either because of espionage or like you said, in this case,

712
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, a jet goes down, a piece of equipment

713
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: gets captured on the battlefield, and then they reverse engineer

714
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: it and use it against US national security. Is like

715
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: the Batman Joker axiom. It really is. Uh, Batman puts

716
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: out a mask, so then the bad guys start putting

717
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Speaker 1: god masks. Right, Batman gets a bat wing, so the

718
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: bad guys start flying jet packs. Uh, it's a we

719
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: can't stop it. It's a continuous process. But that's really

720
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: how it works. It's all about not even really about

721
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: what you can actually do when a fight. It's more

722
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Speaker 1: about what you can say you would do during dip

723
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: agmatic negotiations. It's all about being able to apply pressure. Yeah.

724
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Speaker 1: So are you writing an article on this for the

725
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Speaker 1: news Rap or any of the sites? Yep, yep, you'll

726
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Speaker 1: see it on news Rap, I'd imagine probably other today

727
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Speaker 1: or tomorrow. It's already submitted. I'm just waiting for the

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Speaker 1: copy editors to translate my my into something. So yeah,

729
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: so by the time this is up, people will probably

730
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Speaker 1: be able to check it out. And if it's up

731
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Speaker 1: by the time I added this sault together, I'll link

732
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Speaker 1: to it, but you'll likely be able to find pieces

733
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Speaker 1: I've written about both this up thirty five and AOC

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Speaker 1: showing or ask regarding v a healthy by the time

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Speaker 1: this goes up. Nice man, No, I love hearing your

736
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: take on all this type of stuff, especially because you're,

737
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, an enthusiast of aviation, although you know you

738
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: don't fly or anything, but but it's something that's always

739
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, something about being blind makes guys unwilling to

740
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: let me find everybody. So I don't know, I don't

741
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: know if you want to get in that F thirty

742
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: five anyways. Yeah, right, I'll be honest with you. I

743
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: think the thirty five is an awesome, awesome airplane, but

744
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: I think I would actually be much more interested in

745
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: flying in F twenty two given the opportunity. Oh yeah,

746
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the F twenty two is fucking awesome, right, that's a

747
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: cool airplane. Well, it's like I was telling, who's the

748
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: dude we had that four team pilot we had on

749
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: the other day. Yeah, it's a great guy. And I

750
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: was like, man, like, you're gonna make a remake of

751
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: the top Gun, Like you can't make that movie about

752
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: an F thirty five, Like it just can't be done,

753
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, the effort I actually a little bit of

754
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: insider baseball here. I'm currently writing a piece specifically about

755
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: why the four team is such a badass airplane for

756
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Popular Mechanics, and uh I managed to make it like

757
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: two thousand words in before I even mentioned top Gun,

758
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: which I think is my greatest writing accomplishment to date.

759
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: Well look, man, it's I know it's sacrilege. I know

760
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: it's sacrilege, but the nineteen eleven is the best pistol

761
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: ever made. I said it there, there, there it is.

762
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: That's a sex that's a sexy gun. I've got glocks too,

763
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: but I do love in nineteen eleven. And uh yeah,

764
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: if you guys want to listen back to that episode,

765
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: it's Poco Keia Ricci. He was just recently on great

766
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: great interview. But yeah, I think that about coverage it

767
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: because we got some emails we want to get to

768
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: and some other stuff. So if I remember correctly, because

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Speaker 1: it's off the top of my head at Twitter on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Alex Hong's fifty two, right, that's correct, sir,

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Speaker 1: And at archetype fifty two on Instagram, and you can

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Speaker 1: find me on Facebook at Alex Hollings writer. Nice and

773
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Speaker 1: you have a website too, right, I do, Alex Hollings

774
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Speaker 1: dot com. I put a whole lot of time into

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Speaker 1: uh making it look clean and professional for the thirteen

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Speaker 1: people a year that stop five, So feel free to

777
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Speaker 1: feel free to check it out and let me know

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Speaker 1: it's the same. It's the same with my website. I

779
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Speaker 1: like put a blog post up on there last night

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Speaker 1: for like the first time in six months or something.

781
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's so much easier to reach me on

782
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: social media. That's the only time I ever get contacted

783
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: via my website is almost always some older gentleman who's

784
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: furious and wants to send me a strongly worded email.

785
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: But I'm me to hear from anybody, whether you're angry

786
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Speaker 1: at me or not. You know, it keeps me on

787
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Speaker 1: my toes, So feel free to reach out anytime. And

788
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Speaker 1: I should mention your book is still available if people

789
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Speaker 1: want to pick it up on Amazon. Absolutely. I spent

790
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Speaker 1: you know, a whopping two or three days on the

791
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Speaker 1: Amazon bestsellers list, but I'm happy to get back there anytime,

792
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Speaker 1: so check it out. My book is called The Perception

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Speaker 1: Wars How Influence Shapes Conflict, and you can find it

794
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Speaker 1: for the Kindle or in paperback on Amazon. But it's

795
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: much more importantly than that is Jack Murphy's new book. Yes,

796
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: that went on sale today, and you should all pick

797
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Speaker 1: up a copy of If you love the Troops, you

798
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Speaker 1: will get this book. Listen, my first name is dropped

799
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Speaker 1: in that book. I've seen it already, so that's reason

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00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: enough for everybody, just so that they can see Alex

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Speaker 1: Howick his name. Well, it's my first name. Just you

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00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: can put the write it in. I'm more important. I

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Speaker 1: got I got my full name and thank you. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. It's funny because it says like thanks to

805
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: Alex Scott and and it just says Ian Scotto. It's

806
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: like everybody's first name, but then my full name, and

807
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, wow, I'm an important we had on

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Speaker 1: the first name doesn't even says Brandon, didn't say, but

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Speaker 1: I'm Scotto. I can't remember why I wrote it like that,

810
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Speaker 1: because I'm important. I think. I think it's just like

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Speaker 1: I know all you guys personally, so I just like

812
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Speaker 1: I wrote down your first names. I think you might

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Speaker 1: my full name on the show, Scott. I really do

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Speaker 1: want to say, genuinely, I really appreciate the shout out

815
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Speaker 1: to me, and it really did mean a lot to me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it means a lot to me though we

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Speaker 1: you know, we work together, um, you know, for a

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Speaker 1: long period of time, and I, uh, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: seen people come and go through our doors and um,

820
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Speaker 1: you know some of I mean some of some people

821
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Speaker 1: who don't work here anymore. I mean I still think

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Speaker 1: are really good guys. And I thanked them for you know,

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Speaker 1: all of their hard work and their contributors and um,

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Speaker 1: and so I tried to throw all their names on there,

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Speaker 1: as many of them as I could come up with. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the time, I'm sure I left somebody

827
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Speaker 1: out somewhere. Sorry, yeah, sorry to whoever. But it's important

828
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Speaker 1: is that it wasn't me, you know. Well as always, man,

829
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Speaker 1: Thanks and uh, I will talk to you soon. Always

830
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: great having you on here. Yeah, it's been a real

831
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Speaker 1: pleasure man, Thanks a lot. Thanks out. Yeah, take care

832
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Speaker 1: of man. Talk to you guys later. I always appreciate

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Speaker 1: Alex coming on, especially because he kind of stepped in

834
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Speaker 1: last minute. Um. But with that, I do want to

835
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: get into some emails here because we've got a whole bunch. Um.

836
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Speaker 1: What time actually do you have to get out of here.

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Speaker 1: I need to be at serious at one. Oh, all right,

838
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: so we should probably wrap up. Should we just do

839
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Speaker 1: a quick one or do a couple? Yeah, do a

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00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: couple of quick ones. Um, so I'll save some of

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Speaker 1: these bigger ones for another time. Then it probably take

842
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: me like fifteen twenty minutes to watch. Yeah, you know,

843
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: and you want to get there early. So this is

844
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Speaker 1: a quick one. That's actually correcting something I said from

845
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Speaker 1: the last episode. And I'm always that's always fine if

846
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Speaker 1: you correct me on something that I was wrong on. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is from an anonymous source. Uh, you do, he

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Speaker 1: says to to you in scotto, you do have to

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Speaker 1: have a degree to be a patroleum engineer. The term

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Speaker 1: petroleum engineer is a broad term. Generally, it refers to

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Speaker 1: reservoir engineers and operations drilling engineers. Operations engineers tend to have.

852
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Speaker 1: Did you say you don't need a degree engineer? I said,

853
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: petroleum engineer, and it was you guys have to understand,

854
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: I know Jack does. Like we're talking. It's kind of

855
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: off the cuff, and I should have just said, you know,

856
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys work in the oil industry without

857
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: an engineer. Because my my not as an engineer, sorry,

858
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: work in the oil industry without and stuff like that. Yeah,

859
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: my point was there's a lot of high paying jobs

860
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: out there that maybe risky, but you don't need to

861
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: go to college, and a lot of those are in

862
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: the oil industry. And I think, just because I'm not

863
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: into that industry, I just think of the term patrollingum

864
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: engineer and yeah, but yes, this guy's correcting me. So

865
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: UM reservoir engineers tend to have a background and either

866
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: specifically in patroleum engineering or in electrical engineering. One is

867
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: more tangible and one is more mathematical or three or theoretical.

868
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: Most of the top engineers in oil and gas originate

869
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: from Texas A and M University of Texas and Colorado

870
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: School of Lines. In today's age, there's no way to

871
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: rise to those levels of white collar profession without some

872
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of an engineering degree. True, there are many well

873
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: paying jobs in the oil and gas in oil and

874
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: gas which do not require a degree. That's what I

875
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: was really getting at. However, a full fledged engineer in

876
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: oil and gas is not one of them. Even in geology,

877
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: there are very few who can rise to a serious

878
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: level without a master's degree, and certainly not any large

879
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: company those days of long past. So yeah, my point

880
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: being with the last episode with c J and Doug

881
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: was just that we were kind of getting into college

882
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: and debt, and not everybody is to go to college

883
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: and go into debt to get a well paying job,

884
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: and a lot of people going to college and going

885
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: to debt um and get ship paying jobs if the jobs.

886
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: So that was kind of my point. But I do

887
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: appreciate you, UM making that correction. This Israel thing We're

888
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: gonna get to another time because it's too long, UM.

889
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: And I have an article attached that my friends sent

890
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: to me that I want to get into, So we'll

891
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: probably get into the next episode if we do, I mean,

892
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: Bob better that will go along too. UM. These are

893
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: two shorter ones though. All right, Hey guys, I wanted

894
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: to ask y'all where I can go find some reliable

895
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: sources on on the conflict in Syria. Murphy's Law out today,

896
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: um bookshelves everywhere, especially content that covers the conflict beginning

897
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: in twleven and the early years of the war before

898
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Isis became a big deal. I'm working on a project

899
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: to analyze the Assad regime and the rebels in an objective,

900
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: authentic way. And then he says, here, I'm not pro aside,

901
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not Charles jihad Whister there and he says,

902
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: Jack will get the reference. I get the reference to. Uh.

903
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Sean Hastings from Atlanta. UM No, that's a good question. Um.

904
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't think there has been like a good authoritative

905
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: book or account written about the Syrian Civil War yet. Um,

906
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. And it's gonna be very very hard

907
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: to write that book because, um, Syria was for so

908
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: long just a black hole without reliable information out there,

909
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: and there are these organizations out there claim to be

910
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: doing open source intelligence, like Belling Cat, who think they

911
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: have the whole war on lockdown and they're trying to

912
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: own it. But there's just there's just a lot that

913
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: isn't known, and a lot of people pretending that they

914
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: know things to be factual when really they it's just presumption.

915
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is that it's very hard to

916
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: write that book. But there are some people out there

917
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: who are legitimate experts on Syria who wrote some very

918
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: good commentary on what was going on in Syria before

919
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: the war and in the run up in the in

920
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: the early years of the war in there's a guy

921
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: named um. Oh jeez, I think his name is Lesh.

922
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: I have his book on my on my bookshelf, and

923
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: can you look it up real quick, Ian, I just

924
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: want to give this guy the name of the book. Um,

925
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's called Syria and the Fall of

926
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: the House of Assad. And clearly the Fall of the

927
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: House of Acade didn't quite happen, right. This is an

928
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: expert making very um, you know, intelligent commentary Syria. Um.

929
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: But you know, we all got a lot of things

930
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: wrong about this store right here. Syria the Fall of

931
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: behalf of the Side That Bide David W. Lash Yeah,

932
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: that was a very good book. Um. He is a

933
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: real Syria expert, spent a lot of time over there. Um.

934
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: And there are others. There are other um experts, people

935
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: who know about Syria. Um. There's another guy who's on Twitter. UM.

936
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, and it's not it's not

937
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: it's not jihad list. This guy is an actual academic

938
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: And actually he doesn't like a list either. I mean,

939
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: nobody likes a listener because he's on the take. But um,

940
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: that's one book you could look at that's a good

941
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: starting point to learn about Syria before the war and

942
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: the run up to the war and then and then

943
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: my guess is in a book like that, if you

944
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: look at the work site at the back, you could

945
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: probably go down the rabbit. Absolutely. And this is a

946
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: guy he interviewed um President aside many times as well. Um. So, which,

947
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: if you want a humble brag, you did as well

948
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: I did, but not nearly as in depth as this

949
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: author did. Um. You know my book is interesting for

950
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: some commentary. I don't think it's authoritative on the Syrian

951
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: Civil War. You know, you can read about my experiences

952
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: with the with the Kurds and and you know, going

953
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: around Damascus. There's some info in there. But that article

954
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: as far as like the rebel groups in the American

955
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: involvement in them, I would recommend you um my article

956
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: um on newsrap um and uh geez, what's the name

957
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: of the article? Now? What's look? It's like special Forces

958
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: sabotage White House policy gone disastrously wrong, um or something

959
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: of that nature. There there we go. Yeah, you pretty

960
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: much had it right on the on the money, US

961
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: special Forces sabotage, White House policy gone disastrously wrong with

962
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: covert opstion Syria. So it's a little to it. It's

963
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a little dated because it's sixteen, but it

964
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: provides some really good commentary um and inside or info

965
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: about the American involvement in Syria and with covert action

966
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: pro grams specifically. So it's not going to tell you

967
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: the whole story about what was going on in the

968
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Syrian Civil War, but it will give you some good

969
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: insights into that particular topic. Nice all right, and then

970
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: this last one, UH comments on our interview with Jose Toblada.

971
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Good morning. I was listening to episode four forty five

972
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: talking about un United States Spreene Corps Recon in Forest

973
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: Recon when Jack. When Jack asked what the difference between

974
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Recon b N and Forest Recon. I was glad he

975
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: asked it. I have never served with Recon or Forest Recon.

976
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I was in a few scout sniper platoons and did

977
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: the m e U R and S mission on one

978
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: of our m e US. I was on as well

979
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: at teaching RNs for a short time. What Jose said

980
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: was correct, but I was hoping he explained it a

981
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: little more. Yes, Recon battali ALBN, I should say his battalion.

982
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm getting screwed my abbreviations here, Yes, Recon battalion in

983
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: the division commander's recon asset. I might have missed him

984
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: saying it, but Forest Recon in the eighties and early

985
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: nineties was the exponentiary force as well as who they

986
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: work for. Force went out with fleet and so they

987
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: were like the d A, the direct action element on

988
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: the ship. Yeah, um and uh, and seals used to

989
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: go out with a fleet too, but then they stopped

990
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: doing that. He says. It's also tied to what the

991
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: commander's needs were. Back then, the recon battalion worked in

992
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: the area of influence and forced reek and forced recon

993
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: was further to the area of interest. I learned all

994
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: of this as part of my first Scout Sniper Platoons

995
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: in House course before going to Scout Sniper School a

996
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: year later. I am definitely not a writer and hope

997
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: this makes sense. Just wanted to add some amplifying remarks

998
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: to what Jose said to Jack's question. Uh, center fidelis

999
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: Mike car cool cool. So that's you know, pretty self explanatory.

1000
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: And then I want to mention this one more time

1001
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: because I mentioned it on the last episode. But we've

1002
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: covered creat them on here with Peter Guidry, who's a

1003
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: great guy who also congratulated me on you know, my

1004
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: work here at the site and on the podcast. But

1005
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: this just goes This is like a perfect the example

1006
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: of fake news because I saw this from NBC. Actually

1007
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: a listener sent it to me. And the big headline

1008
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: is this herbal supplement creatum is tied to more US debts,

1009
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: and then right under it, US Health of Visuals say

1010
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: overdose deaths involving the herbal supplement creatum have caused seven states.

1011
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: So nine deaths. That's pretty alarming. Then you read on

1012
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: here though, and in the third paragraph most who died

1013
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: had also taken heroin, Fentinel or other trusts, but creatum

1014
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: was the Creatum was the only substance detected in seven

1015
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: of the deaths. So how the funk is that the

1016
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: headline that, you know, seven deaths is extremely miniscule. Seven

1017
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: deaths happen all the time from all types of things. Uh,

1018
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, so I mean to me, this might sound conspiratorial,

1019
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: but it just sounds like the medical industry trying to

1020
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: spend that creatum is killing people, and I you know,

1021
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm totally objective on this subject because I've never done it.

1022
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: Someone like Peter Gudriel will say it very much helps

1023
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: PTSD and alleviate those issues. Others will say it's snake

1024
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: oil and it's not doing anything. I really don't know.

1025
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I've never used it, but I don't believe it's killing people.

1026
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: And and this certainly doesn't offer any evidence that it's

1027
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: killing Yeah, the article is hysterical. It's like fucking if

1028
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm shooting up heroin, but I drank a beer. Beer

1029
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: is killing people. Yeah, Well, and the thing is beer

1030
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: actually is killing people. I don't think there's anyone that

1031
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: could that they could say definitively died of a creatum

1032
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: over I don't even know these handful of people that

1033
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: they mentioned here definitively died. But like the problem is

1034
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: this cretum and all these things, these CABA bars, even

1035
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: CBD oil appeal to people who are getting off opioids.

1036
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of these people who were recovering addicts,

1037
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: as we know, go back to the things that they

1038
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: were on, and they're probably trying to alleviate this stuff

1039
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: with creatum and other substances, they get back on heroin

1040
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: and unfortunately a lot of these people die. But I

1041
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: would say that it has nothing to do with creative Yeah,

1042
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Yeah. And and like I said, it's from

1043
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: this is from actually not only NBC News, it is

1044
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: originally by the Associated Press, although the Associated Press, I

1045
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the headline from them, because the

1046
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: article states the reality. But whoever came up with the

1047
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: headline herbal suppim and creatim is tied to more US debts,

1048
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: and then US health officials say overdose debts involving the

1049
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: herbal SUPTINGM and creatim have caused twenty seven states. I mean,

1050
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: I guess it's what US health officials how they're spinning it.

1051
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: But I would still still say that it's not an

1052
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: accurate head And I don't know, but I suspect you're

1053
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: probably right Ian that probably the way that came about

1054
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: was that some PR firm hired by pharmaceutical companies probably

1055
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: blasts out emails to like all every media outlet known

1056
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: deman and see who will bite, you know, and they

1057
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: probably present themselves as like Medical Association of America or

1058
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, doctors speak out against create them.

1059
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: And then some journalists finds, like you know, wakes up

1060
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: in the mornings like, funk, I gotta write a story.

1061
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I got I gotta get something up on the website.

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Speaker 1: They find they see the press release there we go, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that ties to pretty much everything when something

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Speaker 1: what people want to say. So the example I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of is with vaping. All Right, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the long term conflicts are going to be with vape

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Speaker 1: and vaping I don't think any of us do, because

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Speaker 1: it's a relatively new thing. It turns you into a

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Speaker 1: due but um, there there are all that there's all

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Speaker 1: that stuff out there saying that vaping is gonna lead

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Speaker 1: from what I've read, and I have read about it,

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Speaker 1: there's no real evidence that leads that. From what I know, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, vaping is is basically water, vapor and nicotine,

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Speaker 1: and nicotine is an addicting substance, but it's not a

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Speaker 1: deadly substance and it's not what's causing lung cancer and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. Um, that's from tobacco, as we know.

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Speaker 1: And dude, even if it's like fifty percent more healthy,

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Speaker 1: are less dangerous than cigarettes, it's a very good thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would. I would say it's all us completely more

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to call it healthy. But from

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Speaker 1: what I know, being addicted to nicotine is almost like

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Speaker 1: being addicted to caffeine. You can get addicted to caffeine,

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Speaker 1: but it's not gonna kill you, you know, and and

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Speaker 1: it's hard for people to get off. But tobacco, Yes,

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Speaker 1: tobacco will kill you. You know. People like my grandpaoud

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Speaker 1: emphysema from smoking cigarettes. It wasn't from his addiction to nicotine.

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Speaker 1: It was all the tobacco that he smoked. From actually smoking.

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Speaker 1: You're setting something on fire and breathing it in and

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Speaker 1: inhaling it. Yeah. So I don't I don't think the

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Speaker 1: are vaping, But I do think there's a lot of

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