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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie john Fast and this is Fast Politics. Well,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds, and.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has said people won't have to vote again

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Speaker 2: in four years if he's elected. We have such a

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Speaker 2: great show for you today for Mayor Michael Tubbs stops

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Speaker 2: by to talk to us about his run for a

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Speaker 2: lieutenant governor of California. Then we'll talk to the Shadow

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Speaker 2: Docket author Steven Vladick. We'll tell us about the further

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Speaker 2: erosion of trust in the Supreme Court. But first we

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Speaker 2: have the host of the Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project Zone,

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Speaker 2: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, too, Fast Politics, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Mollie john Fast, can.

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Speaker 1: You explain the JD Van's couch sex thing?

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Speaker 3: So, first off, I want to start out with two

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Speaker 3: basic rules of politics. Rule Number one is, as everyone's

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Speaker 3: probably heard this rule, if you're explaining, you're losing. And

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Speaker 3: the second rule harks back to Lyndon Baines Johnson in

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Speaker 3: one of his first congressional races, where he one time

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Speaker 3: leaned over to somebody at an event and he goes,

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Speaker 3: you know, my opponent as fuck pig, and they're like what.

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Speaker 3: And they get in the car after this event and

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Speaker 3: his campaign manager goes, lind and you can't say that

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Speaker 3: he fucked a pig. You don't know he fucked a pig.

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Speaker 3: And then he goes, I don't think he did fuck

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Speaker 3: a pig, but I want to see him deny it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: That is where Advance is right now. And here's why

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Speaker 3: this story is funny because JD. Vance. I have no

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Speaker 3: knowledge or evidence the Jdvans fucked a couch, but I

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Speaker 3: look at JD. Vance and I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: other Americans do too and go, that's a guy that

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Speaker 3: could fuck a couch. He's just fucking weird. Okay, that's

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Speaker 3: why it took off. Because he's a weirdo, because he's strange.

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Speaker 3: And look, you add on top of the unbelievable shit

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Speaker 3: rolling out. Every day there's some new piece of video

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Speaker 3: or whatever, and you realize two big things. One, this

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Speaker 3: motherfucker is out of touch in a profound, fundamental way

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Speaker 3: with what has happened in this country. Sends his boss

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Speaker 3: stack the court in overturned Row and the Dobbs decision.

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Speaker 3: And the second thing that he's so out of touch

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Speaker 3: about and this is the one that truly gets me.

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Speaker 3: He's obsessed about this sort of white replacement myth. Bullshit,

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Speaker 3: we have to breed our way out of our problem. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, people who don't have children should pay more

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Speaker 3: in taxes, people who have more and children shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: the same rights to have their voices heard in the

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Speaker 3: political process as people with children. It's a longer discussion

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Speaker 3: than this call. There's this entire new right philosophical orientation

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Speaker 3: about again, it all stems from this like white racial

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Speaker 3: replacement theory panic. But here's my point, JD. Vance is

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Speaker 3: a choice that was made, and the buyer's regret you're

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Speaker 3: hearing about Jade Vance is because it was a choice

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Speaker 3: that was made when the Trump campaign was ride and high,

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Speaker 3: when they thought their world was a crisp, clean, nothing

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Speaker 3: but net play right to the White House. Okay, they

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Speaker 3: turns out they didn't. It turns out at the minute

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Speaker 3: you took Joe Biden out of the equation, the entire

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Speaker 3: predicate of the Trump campaign turned into garbage. And so

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Speaker 3: their panic right now is coming in three forms. One JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance Is. I mean, there are actively people talking about

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Speaker 3: replacing him now. Now I don't think it's likely.

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Speaker 1: How would that even work? I mean, can you even

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Speaker 3: Who knows? I mean, is it possible. I suppose it's possible.

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Speaker 3: But this is like Tara incognitive for us. Right, the

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Speaker 3: last time a VP candidate was replacing a hot swap

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Speaker 1: Wait, who's Musky?

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Speaker 3: Edwin Muski? And in nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 1: Two, wait, why was he replace.

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Speaker 3: He was replaced because Muski went out and admitted he'd

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Speaker 3: had electroshock therapy.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing they're talking about replacing Vans. They're nervous now.

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Speaker 3: None of this feels right to them. They're all in

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Speaker 3: it and he's calling Kelly Anne, He's calling Sean Hannity,

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Speaker 3: Chris Ruddy, Corny Lewandowski, all these dipshits. Right, He's on

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Speaker 1: Right? He's starting to doubt the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: You know who else is back? Who else is circling

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what I think is interesting about this

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Speaker 1: is like, the message here is don't let Don Junior

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Speaker 3: You're of VP right and a bunch of techno brologarcs right,

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Speaker 3: but I fucking wish I had. God damn, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Good So Trump was shot. Terrible. Violence is never good. Terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible moment. Right afterwards, a lot of these right wingers

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Speaker 3: Women, because we're butt hurt about women wanting the vote

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Speaker 3: or whatever the whatever. Their bit is. I mean, here's

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Speaker 3: the thing, you know, and this is another part of

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Speaker 3: Is there's this whole like neo monarchist movement in the

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Speaker 3: Peter Thiel. They all believe that democracy is a thing

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Speaker 1: And he wrote the introduction for Kevin Roberts Foundation right

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Speaker 1: his book. So if you're wondering if jd Vance has

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Speaker 1: anything to do with Project twenty twenty five, check out

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Speaker 1: the introduction of Kevin Roberts book.

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Speaker 3: And also and also by the way, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: we don't have any evidence jd. Vans fucked a couch.

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Speaker 3: We really don't. There's no evidence of it. His propensity

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Speaker 1: A writer, but Molly but Molly, the.

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Speaker 3: Most important news story is not the couch. The most

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Speaker 4: All right, out of you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I opened the door.

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Speaker 3: You did, and you fucking did everything. I'm like a vampire.

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Speaker 3: May I come in the house? Say no, sinny.

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Speaker 1: Woman, I should have said now, that's that's that sort

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Speaker 3: A quote from Lost Boys and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's all right, I'll be okay. So let's

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Speaker 1: just talk about these polls. She is now catching up

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Speaker 1: helps Republicans. So explain to us. You are a campaign guy.

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Speaker 1: I know you're working on a lot of campaigns right now,

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Speaker 1: Explain to us how you do this. Now, if you're

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Speaker 1: gen O'Malley Dylan, what do you do right?

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Speaker 3: If you're jene o' melli Dillon, you have a bigger

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Speaker 1: Because she has a lot more upside than Biden.

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Speaker 3: She is a lot more upside. And one of the

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Speaker 3: enthusiasm for the ticket that is now one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: So she can go into places now like Georgia and

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Speaker 1: I mean the other thing. And again, I don't want

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. In fact, she can also campaign in

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Speaker 3: be real here, Molly. Donald Trump likes his leisure. Donald

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Speaker 3: I can't do the rallies anymore.

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Speaker 1: Right, we can't do the outdoor rallies right because of

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Speaker 3: none of this is difficult to explain. Trump is cheap.

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Speaker 3: He's lazy, and being cheap and lazy in a campaign

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Speaker 3: are you can be one or the other, but you

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Speaker 3: And especially because today, you know, you see Trump now

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Speaker 3: walking back on doing a debate. You see Trump pretending

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Speaker 1: I love that he got Hussein out of there, like

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Speaker 3: I said to Stephen Chunk, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: calling hi Hussein and three dollars and sixty five cents

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Speaker 3: gets you up? Can spice latte?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Michael Tubbs is the former mayor of Stockton, California, is

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Michael Thobbs.

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Speaker 4: I missed you, Thanks for having me, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: For coming on. So tell us about what you're up to.

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Speaker 4: I am excited to share with you and your listeners.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to be ready for the lieutenant governor

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Speaker 4: of California in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So explain to us how that works. The governor is

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Speaker 1: How does this work?

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Speaker 4: No, No, it's a completely open seat. So the current

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Speaker 4: ready for governor. Our beloved governor Gavin Newsom turned out,

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Speaker 4: he'll be surrogating and making sure that making sure that

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Speaker 4: we have a democracy. I'm moving forward. So it's the

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Speaker 4: open seat. It's second highest office in California, acting governor

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Speaker 4: when the governor's out. But also really I call it

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Speaker 4: and Community College Board, it's still on the State Lands Commission.

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Speaker 4: And you also have this bully pulpit to talk about

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Speaker 4: the issues that I that I care about. That then

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Speaker 4: sure we embrace technology, we embraced entrepreneurship, we embraced unions,

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Speaker 1: You were the mayor of Stockton. Talk to us about

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Speaker 1: minimum basic income and what you did in Stockton and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I can't believe it's been that long. But

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Speaker 4: it reduces all the negative things we complained about. Just

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Speaker 4: So incredibly proud of that work. I think the child

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Speaker 1: Explain to us why minimum basic income works.

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Speaker 4: A minimum basic income or a guarantee basic income works

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Speaker 4: Either you make a decision and send the child a

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Speaker 4: then you lose that money. But a guarantee income allows

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Speaker 4: you to still have some income coming in, so even

437
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Speaker 4: though you lose your hourly money, you still have a

438
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Speaker 4: little bit to deal with the shocks of life. And

439
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Speaker 4: that's really why it works. It just allows people to

440
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Speaker 4: have a foundation so that no matter what happens and

441
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Speaker 4: the craziness of life, that the bottom doesn't fall out

442
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Speaker 4: underneath people, because people at least have a bottom. And

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Speaker 4: what we've seen is people have used that money to

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Speaker 4: start businesses. I've used that money to take time after

445
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Speaker 4: part time work to apply for a full time job

446
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Speaker 4: and get it. I've used that money to take care

447
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Speaker 4: of health issues, to buy glasses, to get racist, to

448
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Speaker 4: get dentures. How to use that money to pay off

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Speaker 4: credit card, then how to use that money to put

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Speaker 4: deposit down on an apartment. And it just shows how

451
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Speaker 4: we're far too many people in our community. The issue

452
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Speaker 4: is in character the issue isn't intelligent If that wages

453
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Speaker 4: haven't kept up with inflation, it's just started. Wealth continues

454
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Speaker 4: to strives by. It's just start focusing a little bit

455
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Speaker 4: of money, just so small amount to serve out the

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Speaker 4: springboard to real opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Just give us like a two second. I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk, because it is out there about the sort

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Speaker 1: of the campaign against you and how you came back

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Speaker 1: from it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two seconds. I'm haters gonna hate. No, no, no, in

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Speaker 4: all seriousness, I think we're going to see it against

463
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Speaker 4: that vice president, et cetera. But I was the first

464
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Speaker 4: black may of start that, I was the youngest mayor

465
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Speaker 4: of a big city ever. That folks use social media

466
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Speaker 4: just to spread lies about me. They said I was

467
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Speaker 4: a bug, I was a liar, that was unqualified, and

468
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Speaker 4: I stole money, just all the racist tropes we have.

469
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Speaker 4: I did some black people, and they exped people that

470
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Speaker 4: every single day for three years, and for far too

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Speaker 4: many people in my community they succumbed to it. And

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Speaker 4: I think what I was able to bounce back because

473
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Speaker 4: I learned that a you have to have a very

474
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Speaker 4: sophisticated social media presence. You have to respond to lives

475
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Speaker 4: in real time. You have to have a counter narrative

476
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Speaker 4: and b we just continue to do the work. So

477
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Speaker 4: even after I lost re election, I started starting as

478
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Speaker 4: a special advisor to Governor knew some focus on the

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Speaker 4: issues I had of unstocked the economic mobility better than

480
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Speaker 4: marriage for Guaranteed INCOLND which went for one Marria to

481
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Speaker 4: two hundred and fifteen Marriors started in poverty in California.

482
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Speaker 4: I've got up and down the state, meeting with communities,

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Speaker 4: working all the legislation like baby bonds and hope accounts

484
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Speaker 4: and childd Satan's accounts, a summer youth job. So I

485
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Speaker 4: think the work continued even with the tempery setback. And

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Speaker 4: now I'm fired up to be back in the or

487
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Speaker 4: we know again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're lucky to have you. Can you talk

489
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Speaker 1: to us about what the challenges California is facing right

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Speaker 1: now and how you would address them.

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Speaker 4: Well, California for is so interesting to me because it

492
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Speaker 4: were a golden state. I'm from Stockton, I'm from South Stockton.

493
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Speaker 4: I grew up in poverty. My dad's still in jail.

494
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Speaker 4: So I've also experienced in non golden parts of the state,

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Speaker 4: and I think as there's a cast on between rhetoric

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Speaker 4: and results oftentimes, So when we talk about the issues

497
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Speaker 4: of California, whereas state that values opportunity and inclusion and diversity,

498
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Speaker 4: but a lot of people are leaving the state because

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Speaker 4: I can't afford it, That young people can't afford to

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Speaker 4: buy house, That we don't have enough afford of our housing,

501
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Speaker 4: which expends our homelessances, that black folks only make up

502
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Speaker 4: six percent of the state, but thirty percent of folks

503
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Speaker 4: around the house. It's those types of addictions that really

504
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Speaker 4: motivate me to run because I do think given the

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Speaker 4: values of our communities, given the ways democrats hold power,

506
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Speaker 4: that we'll be able to show that government could work,

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Speaker 4: I think oftentimes, and the perceptions that we just want

508
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Speaker 4: to throw money at problems. And when I came to

509
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Speaker 4: Stuff and we were bankrupt, I'd spent eight years helping

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Speaker 4: us redown from that. So I'm very adamant that money

511
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Speaker 4: alone isn't enough. We have to make sure we know

512
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Speaker 4: how the money is being spent and that the money

513
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Speaker 4: is being spent well, and if it's not, we have

514
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Speaker 4: to course correct. But to do what it works, we

515
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Speaker 4: have to use data to guide our decision making. And

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Speaker 4: I also think that California is at a pylow juncture

517
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Speaker 4: in just in terms of the investments we make that

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Speaker 4: I live in La Now, I love it. I love

519
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Speaker 4: the Bay Area, went to school there. But the future

520
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Speaker 4: in California in many respects will rest on how well

521
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Speaker 4: we invest in the central value where I'm from, the

522
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: stock Dens and Fresnos, the Mercedes, the Baker's fields. So

523
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Speaker 4: I think we have to do a better job there,

524
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Speaker 4: and then we still have to be a beacon of freedom.

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Speaker 4: But I love the fact that California is a state

526
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Speaker 4: where folks know that with this extreme product in twenty

527
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Speaker 4: five agenda that's already being implemented in many states, that

528
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Speaker 4: folks could come to California for reproductive healthcare and healthcare

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Speaker 4: generally can come to California and Nbay or be trands

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Speaker 4: like folks can come to California and really experience freedom,

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Speaker 4: And I just think they have to marry that with

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Speaker 4: real economic dignity for everyone. So folks are here but

533
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Speaker 4: are able to afford to be here, able to afford

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Speaker 4: housing here, So we don't have as many people homeless,

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Speaker 4: and we don't have as many young people Philly like

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Speaker 4: the California and dreams out of reach.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us besides how expensive it is,

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Speaker 1: how is climate change a California.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think California has really led the way in

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Speaker 4: terms of being smart and thinking about climate change, but

541
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Speaker 4: thinking about it as an existential crisis. Of course, fossil

542
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Speaker 4: is an economic development driver, so that was mayor of Stoff.

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Speaker 4: Then we did our work in terms of preparing for

544
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Speaker 4: the green economy and spinning out how we train our

545
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Speaker 4: folks to be the folks that work on electric cars,

546
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Speaker 4: that that are part of this new ecosystem that's going

547
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Speaker 4: to be built through the transition from fossil fuels to

548
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Speaker 4: clean energy, and I think elect to continue to do so.

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Speaker 4: There's a huge opportunity in CALIFORNI Oh, yeah, there is.

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Speaker 4: There's Lithium Valley, which is in a very poor community

551
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Speaker 4: that fits upon some of the most valuing lifthium in

552
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Speaker 4: the world, and thinking about how do we extract that

553
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Speaker 4: lithium in a way that's randular friendly, but how do

554
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Speaker 4: you also make sure the community benefits from the wealth

555
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Speaker 4: they sit on. So that's the question I think in

556
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Speaker 4: California we need to continue to think about climate as

557
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Speaker 4: as not just the excidential crisis it is, but to

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Speaker 4: convince people, particularly folks and communities that defend on fossil fuels,

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Speaker 4: that no economic freedom is also tied into sort of

560
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Speaker 4: this new technology that this green economy. So I think

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Speaker 4: we'll continue to lead the way and continue to think

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Speaker 4: about ways to link folks, particularly folks who are usually

563
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Speaker 4: left behind, to the jobs that this green economy transition

564
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Speaker 4: will create.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us what it means to have Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: as our nomine and what your role will be here.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. What it means to everyone is that

568
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Speaker 4: we have a real fighting chance to feat Maga extreme

569
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Speaker 4: father than twenty five Handmaidian's tail, Like, we actually have

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Speaker 4: a real shot. We have someone who has been an

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Speaker 4: attorney general, a district attorney, a US Senator, and a

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Speaker 4: vice president. I know there's no one else in this

573
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Speaker 4: country with that resume in terms of those positions. Like

574
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Speaker 4: she's unique, She's Beyonce says, she's one of one. And

575
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Speaker 4: I'm excited about the enthusiasm that's been shown for a candidacy.

576
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Speaker 4: We have someone who's going to be full throated and

577
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Speaker 4: her support of freedoms and fundamental freedoms, including reproductive freedom,

578
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Speaker 4: including the rights to gain abortion. We have someone, like

579
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Speaker 4: she says, who has prosecuted sex perals, who has prosecuted frauds,

580
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Speaker 4: who has prosecuted shooters, who has prosecuted scammers, like that's

581
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Speaker 4: her whole career and no one behold, that's literally who

582
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Speaker 4: she's running again. So I mean, it's not what it's

583
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: come out for us, but I'm excited. And then not

584
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Speaker 4: to mention that she'll be our first woman president, like what, Like,

585
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Speaker 4: I think it's right, it's a huge opportunity. So I'm excited,

586
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: and I think my job, everyone's job, is to be

587
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Speaker 4: not just cheerleaders, but footsoldiers to correct the record because,

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Speaker 4: like I said earlier, because she looks different than any

589
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Speaker 4: of the president we've had, because she's had this different

590
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Speaker 4: experiences than any other president we've had, she wants to

591
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Speaker 4: get attacked mercilessly yea, barely and falsely, so we have

592
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Speaker 4: to correct the falsehood. It's like, no, she did not

593
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Speaker 4: just no one that can sleep away to be a

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Speaker 4: vice president senator. It's the most ridiculous argument of her

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Speaker 4: I'm like, how what, But.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this for a second, because QOP house

597
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Speaker 1: leader urges members please stop making race comments about Harris Discuss.

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Speaker 4: Well, they can't help themselves, right when the head your

599
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: party is a racist, what can you do? And they

600
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Speaker 4: can't attack her record, so they have to go. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's what the contrast of this racist so important,

602
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Speaker 4: because she'll appear to our better angels, like we believe

603
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Speaker 4: in law and morder, like no one's the law, we

604
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Speaker 4: believe in freedom. They're gonna appeal to like these racist,

605
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: evil demons out under our country for so long they

606
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: want to pull us backwards to a time where being black,

607
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: or being women, or being Asian was this qualifying for leadership.

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Speaker 4: But that's not the day we're in anymore. So, I

609
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: mean the GOP could say that thing, but in the

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Speaker 4: next day you have I'm the vice president giving the

611
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Speaker 4: speech saying she's done nothing but collect the government check

612
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Speaker 4: for twenty years, trying to dog whistle the welfare queen tropes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they'll they'll say it, and I think one

614
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Speaker 4: day the GOP could get there. But I think it's

615
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Speaker 4: very clear this is a party that's incredibly racist, not

616
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Speaker 4: just against black people, but against Muslim people, against immigrants,

617
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Speaker 4: of all times, like they is not there are a

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Speaker 4: party on once to take us back to a time

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Speaker 4: where if you weren't a Christian, straight white men, you

620
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Speaker 4: did not matter, you had no rights, and this country

621
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Speaker 4: wasn't for you. And I think we're all in the

622
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Speaker 4: agreements saying we're not going back there. We don't want

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Speaker 4: to go there. That's dystopia, that's a I can and

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Speaker 4: that's not the country we are or are going to

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Speaker 4: be in the future. Right.

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Speaker 1: No, And I think that it's really incredible that Republicans

627
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Speaker 1: made a decision when they ran with Trump that they

628
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Speaker 1: were going to embrace the racist part of their base.

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Speaker 1: That was the decision. They decided that there were enough

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Speaker 1: racists to get Donald Trump elected. So now they are

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Speaker 1: running against a black woman, and that is where we are, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that sort of what happened? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I love the contrast because I'm just someone I

634
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 4: like things to be very clear, and in this case,

635
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Speaker 4: it's very clear, like what type of country do we

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Speaker 4: want to be? In the contrast that we started, I

637
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Speaker 4: forgot to mention that Donald Trump is literally the oldest

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: presidential nominee we've ever had. Someone who confuses Nazy Lowci

639
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Speaker 4: with Nikki Haley and doesn't know the vice president's last name.

640
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Speaker 4: Like this is so ridiculous and so grotesque the contrast

641
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: that I get it will go to show who we are.

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Speaker 4: And I just not just optimist. I've spent so much

643
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: time with folks, so I think the vast majority of

644
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Speaker 4: folks seeing Donald Trump for who he is, as c. J. D.

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Speaker 4: Vash for who they are, and understand that they work

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Speaker 4: for no one but themselves and Elon Musk and Peter Field.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an incredible time to be alive, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got, you know, the idea that they

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Speaker 1: are saying that our vice president slept her way to

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Speaker 1: the top when Donald Trump had to pay off a

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Speaker 1: porn star and a playmate because he had an affair

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Speaker 1: with the porn star right after his third wife had

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Speaker 1: delivered his fifth child. Right, so we're going to bring

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Speaker 1: a promiscuity here as an issue. It's pretty incredible. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that is the play. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's so important and interesting, is that

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Speaker 1: you do have as vice president who has been a

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Speaker 1: sex crimes prosecutor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, hard to imagine a more perfect person to take

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Speaker 1: on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And I think I was reflect when you were speaking

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Speaker 4: about Like when I was mayor of Stockton, I had

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Speaker 4: three Republicans on my city council and the vast majority

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Speaker 4: of them where like Trump is Ibhorn, it's not what

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Speaker 4: we stand for. So I think even like most good

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Speaker 4: Republicans see like we don't want a sex criminal. He

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Speaker 4: was just in the Epstein files and there.

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Speaker 1: Are numerous pictures of him with Epstein.

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Speaker 4: This is not like a regular bad person. This person

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Speaker 4: represents the worst of like excess in our society, like

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Speaker 4: the worst of what we could be. And he's just

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Speaker 4: at the rally when he was praising authoritatian leaders as strong,

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Speaker 4: be able to get things done, like this is bad

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Speaker 4: news and nothing to played with. And I think Molly

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Speaker 4: would get you from me is that we've seen this before.

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Speaker 4: We saw this in twenty sixteen to twenty twenty and

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Speaker 4: I was a mayor then. I remember having the hustle

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Speaker 4: with other marriage or in COVID that the kids trust

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Speaker 4: what was coming out of the federal government where we

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Speaker 4: were like we were literally trying to procure our own supplies. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like it was wild times. I remember having to talk

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Speaker 4: to like immigrant communities and going to the mosque and

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Speaker 4: going to the Catholic churches because by my immigrant community,

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Speaker 4: my Muslim community were terrified about what his election meant

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Speaker 4: for them. I remember talking to gay kids and then

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Speaker 4: the Transdell people my first month was mayor, because they

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Speaker 4: were terrified about what would have like. I just remember

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Speaker 4: the reign of terror and not to mention the economy

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Speaker 4: always collapsing, the two twenty dollars and tax cuts to

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Speaker 4: the rich, and that was the best we would get

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Speaker 4: from him. Because now he's unhinged. Now he's like the

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Speaker 4: loss of them fighting me. Now the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 4: said he could do whatever he wants, so I shuddered

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Speaker 4: to think what giving him the keys to the whitouse

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Speaker 4: again would mean for our country. So I'm fleishing it

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Speaker 4: and talking a lot, but I'm just past it.

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Speaker 1: Are black men as excited as black women and all women.

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Speaker 4: I was on the call, yes, said the black men

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Speaker 4: for Harris.

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Speaker 1: Callus, yes, please talk about that, four five thousand of us,

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Speaker 1: And we were adding it that we were at least.

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Speaker 4: For the match where our sisters raised because we are

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Speaker 4: all in for Vice President Harris, because we we all

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Speaker 4: not not because you're the woman's because as the leader,

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Speaker 4: but then also as a black woman, we know sort

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Speaker 4: of we're going to be where we were, whether for

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Speaker 4: our grandmas, our moms, our aunties, our wives, our partners.

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Speaker 4: So we are fired up and I think I've been excited, Joe.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to my good friend Shannon Wats today

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Speaker 4: about how white women are organizing for Vice President Harris

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Speaker 4: because I know in twenty sixteen fifty three percent but

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Speaker 4: for Trump, and I'm sure that number will be reversed

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Speaker 4: to the extreme with Vice President Harris, and I'm looking

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Speaker 4: forward to that. To your point about all communities organized

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Speaker 4: around Kamal heiras, but do not believe the lies. Not

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Speaker 4: believed Tim Scott are and Ben Carson and Byron Daniels

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Speaker 4: maybe the two other black people up against they have

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Speaker 4: Cannie Olans, black folks, black men. We support Vice President

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Speaker 4: Harris not because she's black, but because our policies speak

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Speaker 4: to improving our experiences, and the fact that she's black

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Speaker 4: is added. Plus I think most people almost supported her

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Speaker 4: for those reasons as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Michael Tubbs. You are great. I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back, and I.

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Speaker 4: Hope you win anytime. Michael Tubbs FORCA dot Com for

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Speaker 4: this all.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Dubbs.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Vladdock is a CNN contributor and author of The Shadow.

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Speaker 1: Dott Welcome to Fast Politics. Welcome back, Steven, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I was excited to have you

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Speaker 1: because I feel like you've sort of been on to

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Speaker 1: the nefariousness of the Supreme Court for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and you wrote a book about the Shadow Docket, which

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Speaker 1: was this sort of thing they were doing to pull

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Speaker 1: the wool over the American people's eyes even before they

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Speaker 1: became so radicalized. I mean, is that a fair assessment?

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Speaker 1: And if not, tell me why. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's fair.

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Speaker 5: I think it's it's a little bit sort of a

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Speaker 5: cynical view of my view, But you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I've been trying for a long time before trying to

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Speaker 5: persuade everyone that there's something rotten in Denmark, I've at

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Speaker 5: least been trying to change how we talk about the

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Speaker 5: Court because I think we are so conditioned to viewing

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Speaker 5: the Court as just the sum of its big decisions,

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Speaker 5: and the reality is it is a lot more than that.

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Speaker 5: And the more that we talk about the Court as

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Speaker 5: an institution, the more we look at it holistically, I

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Speaker 5: actually get the more trouble we see, and the more

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Speaker 5: that we can actually find problems that are not just

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Speaker 5: Dobbs bad Bruin bad, and that are more about, you know,

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Speaker 5: the sort of the shift in institutional relationships right between

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Speaker 5: the Court and every other institution in government.

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Speaker 1: And no place is that shift more apparent than Chevron,

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Speaker 1: don't you agree?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I would say Chevron and the whole suite of administrative

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Speaker 5: law cases the Court headed down this term. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think you know what folks should understand about these

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Speaker 5: cases is they reflect for better or for worse? I

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Speaker 5: would say for worse, but certainly, just as a matter

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Speaker 5: of fact, a massive transfer of power away from executive

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Speaker 5: branch agencies, away from Congress and to courts, and to

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Speaker 5: courts who are now going to have much more power

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Speaker 5: to decide for themselves what agency actions are appropriate in

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Speaker 5: which ones aren't. Much more power after the Ohio versus

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Speaker 5: EPA decision to decide whether the agency you know, dotted

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Speaker 5: the eyes and frosts the t's in just the right way.

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Speaker 5: It really is all about power all the way down.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us about Ohio versus EPI.

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Speaker 5: So this was actually, I think the administrative law case

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Speaker 5: that got the least attention out of the court this term.

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Speaker 1: So, and it's an important case, which is why I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: So, the buy An administration and basically had put out

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Speaker 5: these ozone pollution regulations. And the idea is that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the EPA regulates ozone pollution in upwind states on the

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Speaker 5: theory that downwind states can't do it themselves. If unit

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Speaker 5: state then receives a lot of pollution from another state,

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Speaker 5: that's why we need the federal government. And so a

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Speaker 5: bunch of states and a bunch of companies had challenged

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Speaker 5: the so called good neighbor ozone pollution rule, and before

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Speaker 5: the lower courts could even resolve that challenge, the states

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Speaker 5: and the challengers went to the Supreme Court for a

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Speaker 5: form of emergency relief. And what the court did in

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Speaker 5: Why versus EPA is they branded that relief molly based

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Speaker 5: on a remarkably creative, you might even say disingenuous reading

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Speaker 5: of exactly how the EPA went about adopting on this rule.

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Speaker 5: What's really striking about this case is Justice Barrett actually

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Speaker 5: wrote the descent on behalf of herself and the three

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Speaker 5: Democratic appointees, and her descent is just a brutal takedown

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Speaker 5: of Justice Gorsuch's majority opinion because Grossive basically holds the

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Speaker 5: EPA to a standard that's impossible to meet, says they

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Speaker 5: didn't do things that they did, and just sort of

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Speaker 5: nit picks his way all the way home in a

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Speaker 5: way that's going to push agencies in the future. I

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Speaker 5: think to be even more wary about these kinds of rules,

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Speaker 5: because if courts can strike them down based on this

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Speaker 5: kind of invented rationale, you know why bother so.

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Speaker 1: Explain that to us a little bit. The EPA case

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Speaker 1: in the descent of Amy Cony Barrett, who is I

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Speaker 1: want to say, like the one Trump pick who has

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Speaker 1: been again, this has largely been true in oral arguments,

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Speaker 1: though the EPA case is a good example of her.

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Speaker 1: She's largely been. You can tell she's not buying this

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Speaker 1: incredible hypocrisy the way the other two guys are just

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Speaker 1: sort of falling in line except when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Native Americans and corsage. But what is the sort of

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Speaker 1: fake reason for this case and how does it run

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Speaker 1: contrary to the others that they decide sure hypocritical.

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Speaker 5: The argument that the challengers had brought was that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the agency basically couldn't adopt a national rule until it

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Speaker 5: gave the states a chance to adopt their own rules.

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Speaker 5: That's not what the Supreme Court focused on. The Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court because that argument was such transparent nonsense. The Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court focused on the idea that when the EPA engaged

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Speaker 5: in what's called notice and comment rulemaking, and this is

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Speaker 5: a pretty standard practice when an agency says, hey, public,

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Speaker 5: we're considering a rule that's going to do this. We

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Speaker 5: are inviting your feedback so that we can make sure

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Speaker 5: we've accounted for all of the things that perhaps we

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Speaker 5: haven't thought about in formulating this rule. That's the typical

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Speaker 5: sort of noise and comment process. And the basic gist

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Speaker 5: of the majority opinion is that the EPA didn't do

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Speaker 5: a good enough job of responding to the thousands of

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Speaker 5: public comments that it received about the proposed good Neighbor rule.

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Speaker 5: And only part of why that's such nonsense, as Justice

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Speaker 5: Barrett point out in her dessentate, is one, the EPA

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Speaker 5: actually did a pretty good job of responding to the

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Speaker 5: public comments. But two, I mean in the posture of

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Speaker 5: this case where it hadn't even gone through the lower

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Speaker 5: courts yet, where there hasn't been fact binding you know,

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Speaker 5: for the Supreme Court to sort of jump over and say,

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Speaker 5: we are in the best position to decide exactly whether

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Speaker 5: the DPA brushed its teeth correctly. You know, bespeaks a

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Speaker 5: kind of judicial second guessum of agencies that goes way

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Speaker 5: beyond the demise of Chevron, that goes way beyond how

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Speaker 5: agencies interpret statutes and really gets all the way into

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Speaker 5: the nitty gritty of everyday agency bureaucracy and agency processes.

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Speaker 5: That really opens the door, molly to a new generation

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Speaker 5: of challenges. I don't like what this agency did, so

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Speaker 5: I'm going to find one technical, you know box they

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Speaker 5: didn't check correctly as a way of throwing out the

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Speaker 5: whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really part of the situation here. So because

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Speaker 1: I think of Chevron and the immunity decision to be

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Speaker 1: more and again, you know, they came out on July first,

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Speaker 1: large so that the Supreme Court wouldn't have to deal

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Speaker 1: with any push back, right, you know, they do this

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Speaker 1: before they go on vacation, because why not. But they

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Speaker 1: are largely even though they're not about the same thing. Right,

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Speaker 1: Chevron is about trying to dismantle federal agencies. Community is

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump getting away with it. They are ultimately

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Speaker 1: sort of tied. And I'm hoping you could talk about

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Speaker 1: these two decisions, which are both earth chattering, explained to

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Speaker 1: us what they both are, and sort of explain it

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Speaker 1: feels like they're laying the groundwork for something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think they're both basically molly about

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Speaker 5: the same idea, which is, you know, sort of who's

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Speaker 5: going to have the last say about the way the

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Speaker 5: law ought to be in this country, And they both

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Speaker 5: end up in the same place, which is the courts. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Trump Community case, I mean, it's been

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Speaker 5: portrayed in a lot of circles as this massive affirmation

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Speaker 5: of executive power, right sort of given the president more

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Speaker 5: and more power to act with impunity. And I think

868
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 5: that's true to a degree. But there are so many

869
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: questions that the Trump Community decision raises about where the

870
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 5: relevant lines are, you know, exactly which powers that the

871
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 5: president has are, in the words of the Supreme Court,

872
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 5: conclusive and preclusive, so his core powers, like where does

873
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 5: that stop? You know, where's the line between official acts

874
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: and unofficial acts? And you know, Molly, those are questions

875
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 5: that are ultimately going to have to be answered by courts.

876
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: You know, it's not hard to imagine that course might

877
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: answer those questions differently dependent upon how much they like

878
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: or dislike the current president. I think that's the same

879
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: thing about the Chevron case. You know, when the court says,

880
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 5: ultimately it's going to be up to the courts and

881
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: not the agency to decide what is the best interpretation

882
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 5: of an ambiguous statute, right, that's not necessarily fatal to

883
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: what the agency is doing. It's just giving them the

884
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 5: courts of veto. And so it's basically saying, you know,

885
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: the courts will decide if they like a policy, just

886
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 5: like the courts will decide if they think a president

887
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: has crossed the line. It's just everything is about, you know,

888
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: the court doing what it wants when it wants, and

889
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 5: had been the ultimate power to decide what everybody else

890
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: in our system is allowed to do.

891
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: It's such a weird moment. Well, I know it's not

892
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: Supreme Court talk, but I would love to talk about

893
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: the a Leen Cannon weareness. Can you talk about that sure.

894
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 5: I mean, so, you know, the headline here is that

895
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: Judge Cannon throughout the classified Documents prosecution in Florida on

896
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 5: the ground that Jack Smith had not been properly appointed

897
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 5: by Attorney General Garland. And the problem, well, there are

898
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 5: many problems with this argument. The big problem with this

899
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: argument is that there are decades of precedent to the

900
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: contrary where courts have considered similar challenges to how special

901
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: councils and special prosecutors in the Dustice Department are appointed.

902
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 5: Courts have rejected those challenges. Most recently, the DC Circuit,

903
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: you know, the very powerful appeals court in Washington, rejected

904
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 5: a very similar challenge to the appointment of ben special

905
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: counsel Robert Muller in twenty nineteen. It really is, malli

906
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 5: a very very strained reading of the relevant statutes, and

907
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 5: it's just a completely preposterous reading of the precedents. You know,

908
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 5: the idea that the Attorney General doesn't have the power

909
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: to appoint inferior prosecutors is rather belied by the one

910
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty four years that we've had a Justice Department.

911
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: And you know, I think part of the problem here

912
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 5: is that the argument sounds sort of superficially plausible to

913
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 5: folks who were already inclined to believe that everything Jack

914
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 5: Smith does is illegitimate. But if you actually peel away

915
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 5: the layers and look at the relevant statutes and look

916
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: at the constitutional law on the subject, you know, it's

917
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: pretty clear that this appointment was perfectly kosher. We're back

918
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 5: in the space of really sort of right wing Trump

919
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: appointed judges handled down rulings that really just sort of

920
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: smack of a judge who decided what they wanted the

921
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: outcome to be first, and then figured out how to

922
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 5: rationalize a second right.

923
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: And that is in this same vein as the Trump

924
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Right, you have results you want, and you

925
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: will twist a lot to get at them.

926
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that that is, unfortunately a charge

927
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 5: that can be leveled against. Yes, a lot of what

928
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court does. I wouldn't say everagething.

929
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: No, they had a few weirdly not terrible decisions, but.

930
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, I think you know, the whole sort

931
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: of what is supposed to separate judges from politicians in

932
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 5: our system is the idea that judges are following ostensibly

933
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 5: neutral legal principles and that those neutral principles are going

934
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 5: to lead them to results that sometimes are actually inconsistent

935
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 5: with their political preferences. And you know, this gets to

936
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: me at what one is I think really the biggest

937
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: indictment of both of the big Trump decisions from the

938
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 5: Supreme Court this term, not just the immunitficase, but also

939
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: the Colorado ballot access case, where you have justices who

940
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 5: purport to be staunch originalists, you know, who say that like,

941
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: we believe that this is the one true way to

942
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: interpret the Constitution, because we believe that this is the

943
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 5: only objective method through which you can really sort of

944
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 5: obtain a particular or singular, you know, quote true unquote result.

945
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: And you know what you have in book the Colorado

946
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 5: case and in the Troubamility case is judges who purport

947
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 5: to be originalists doing profoundly unriginalist things where originalism is

948
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 5: nowhere to be found, where the discussions are very consequentialist

949
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 5: in their approaches. And Molly, that's weird for people like

950
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 5: me because I am a bit of a consequentialist, Like

951
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 5: I have less trouble with the idea that the Court

952
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: should be thinking about the consequences of its decisions. But

953
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 5: these are justices historically who have taken exactly the opposite approach,

954
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 5: and so it looks and smacks like hypocrisy.

955
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, smacks like it does certainly seem very hypocritical a

956
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of what they're doing. Can you explain a little

957
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: bit about this textualism argument, just for the people who

958
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: are not one hundred cases deep in this cluster book,

959
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: Explain to us what originalism is. Is it different than textualism.

960
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: I've heard them both used to describe the same thing.

961
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: And also just what to pivot is from conservatives in

962
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: previous Supreme courts.

963
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 5: Sure, I mean so. Textualism is basically the idea that

964
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 5: all things being equal, when the text of a statute

965
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: or the text of the constitution is clear, that's the answer.

966
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 5: And there's there's no matter how strong the policy arguments

967
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 5: might be for a different result, no matter how strong

968
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: the contextual arguments might be, you go with the text.

969
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 5: Originalism is slightly different, right. Originals is the idea that

970
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: one of the ways of resolving what unclear text means

971
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 5: is to look at how it was understood at the

972
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 5: time the test was adopted. So, you know, Molly, the

973
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 5: Constitution says the president has to be at least thirty

974
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 5: five years old. That text is clear, right, No one

975
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 5: seriously argues that that's thirty five adjusted for life expectancies, right,

976
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 5: versus constution says the IFM prohibits cruel and unusual punishment,

977
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 5: well what makes punishment cruel and unusual? And originalists would

978
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 5: say we should look at how those words were understood

979
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: at the time that the Constitution was adopted, or at

980
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: the time that that lianguage in particular was agreed to.

981
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: So in the Eighth Amendment context at seventeen ninety one

982
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 5: in the you know, in the Colorado ballot case, that

983
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 5: means looking at when seption three of the fourteenth Amendment

984
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 5: was adopted in eighteen sixty eight. And you know, if

985
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 5: you actually look at the context of the history, at

986
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 5: the discussions around section three in the eighteen sixties, it's

987
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 5: pretty clear that folks understood that it could apply to

988
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 5: people running for the presidency, That both understood that states

989
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 5: could decide for themselves who could could not run for office.

990
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: And you know, the Supreme Court in saying, actually that's

991
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: not true. States can't do that, Molly didn't actually try

992
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 5: to argue that that's because of what the original understanding requires.

993
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: The court sort of ran away from the original understanding.

994
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 5: And you know, I have no problem with the Court

995
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 5: taking a more pluralistic approach to the Constitution in the abstract.

996
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: The problem comes from when you have a cohort of

997
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: justices who insist that they're not doing it, Matt, and

998
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 5: who rely upon what they claim originalism demands in cases

999
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 5: like Bruin about guns or in the administraty of law

1000
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: cases and say, I was thinking about Bruin.

1001
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: That was what I was thinking about, right, Can you

1002
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: just explain the whole point of Bruin? Was that? Just

1003
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: explain that the sort of one line on Bruin the

1004
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 1: gun's case.

1005
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1006
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 5: So Bruin is the twenty twenty two decision where the

1007
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 5: Court said that in order for a gun control law

1008
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 5: to pass constitutional scrutiny to survive a Second Amendment challenge,

1009
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: the government that wrote that law has to find some

1010
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 5: analog to that restriction that was on the books at

1011
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 5: the time the Second Amendment was adopted in seventeen ninety one,

1012
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 5: or at least at the time that it was applied

1013
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 5: to the States in eighteen sixty eight. And so this

1014
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 5: has led, as you know, Molly, to this crazy effort

1015
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 5: to basically try to analogize, you know, laws that for example,

1016
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 5: prohibit gun possession by those subjects of domestic violence restraining

1017
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 5: orders to you know, a period where domestic violence wasn't

1018
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 5: a legal category at all.

1019
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: What happened with Bruin was that they, excuse my friend,

1020
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: fucked themselves. And so when he came down, which was

1021
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: people commit to best ballence? Should they have guns? Perhaps

1022
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: they should? They had to clean up on Aisle Supreme Court, right, yeah,

1023
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: And I think the problem that cuts across all of

1024
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: this is you cannot in one breath say we have

1025
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: to hand down this massively.

1026
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 5: Controversial rule because originalism forces us to, and then in

1027
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 5: the other breath say, oh, but we only apply originalism sometimes, right,

1028
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: right now. That's the real disconnect here is having justices

1029
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: who purport to be bound to follow the originalist result

1030
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 5: in all cases selectively decide and when to follow the

1031
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 5: originalist result. And then there's the sort of the secondary

1032
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 5: point that they can't even all agree on what originalism

1033
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: is because.

1034
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: When you're making stuff up, it's hard to follow.

1035
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 5: Right, That's exactly right. And so you know, for people

1036
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: like me, listen, I mean that huge constitional law. I

1037
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 5: would never try to tell my students that the original

1038
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 5: understanding of a provision is irrelevant. Right, The question is

1039
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 5: should it be dispositive? And you know, I think the

1040
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 5: problem is that it's really really unpersuasive to have the

1041
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: position that it's dispositive in one set of cases and

1042
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 5: not in another without a very very coherent explanation for

1043
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: what that line.

1044
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: Is right exactly. When you're making shit up, you should

1045
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: be consistent, or.

1046
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 5: At least you should be consistent about when you get

1047
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 5: to make it.

1048
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: Up right exactly. But I'm wondering if you can talk

1049
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: about where you see this Supreme Court going next year.

1050
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: I think it really depends on the election. I mean, hat,

1051
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 5: I know that's such a trite answer in our current circumstances.

1052
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: As a constitutional law professor, you must feel like this

1053
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: is insane because that is not what the Supreme Court

1054
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: is supposed to be at all.

1055
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 5: Right, Well, and it's worth putting the court in context.

1056
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 5: I mean, one of my real goals, as we said

1057
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: at the top, was it's to change how we talk

1058
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 5: about the court. I mean, the Court decided only fifty

1059
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 5: nine cases this term, that's actually way down. Historically, the

1060
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 5: Court has not been decided this few cases since eighteen

1061
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 5: sixty four. It just feels like the Court is constantly

1062
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 5: you know, in our lives because the cases the justices

1063
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: are picking to decide are all these massive, high profile,

1064
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 5: socially or politically or culturally divisive disputes versus the more technical,

1065
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 5: mundane stuff that historically it has been where the court

1066
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 5: builds its credibility. So you know, what happens next year?

1067
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I think in a world in which you

1068
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 5: have if it is Vice President Harris, who is the

1069
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: president next year, I think it's probably more of the

1070
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 5: same with in prison calls to reform the court, as

1071
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 5: the Court continues to stand, you know, athwart the sort

1072
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 5: of the democratic political agenda, you know, Molly. In a

1073
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: world in which Trump wins, I mean, I think folks

1074
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 5: have not quite prepared themselves for the specter of a

1075
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 5: second Trump term where the Court is actually pushing a

1076
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 5: back against him and he's ignoring it.

1077
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: Right, That will be crazy if that happens. I mean,

1078
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: I could see that happening, but it will be crazy.

1079
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 5: I mean we had a flashpoint for this. I mean,

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Speaker 5: so in January in a case that got very little attention,

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Speaker 5: there was this five four Supreme Court ruling that allows

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Speaker 5: the Biden administration to keep removing razor wire that Greg

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Speaker 5: Abbott had placed along the US Mexico border and Molly.

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Speaker 5: Within like twelve hours of that ruling, Chip Roy is

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Speaker 5: on national television telling Abbot to defy the court. You know,

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Speaker 5: folks are so critical of the court right now for

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Speaker 5: reasons I think are mostly understandable that I think they

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Speaker 5: haven't stealed themselves for the possibility that the story of

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Speaker 5: a second Trump term is going to be Trump's, you know,

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Speaker 5: resistance to the court, even as I think the Court

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Speaker 5: would be inclined to push back against at least some

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Speaker 5: of the more excessive things he might do. So two

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Speaker 5: very very different futures depending upon what happens this November insanity.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Steve, and I hope you will

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 5: I love it, always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: No moment full.

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Speaker 1: My moment of fuckory is Today FBI Director Ray testified

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Speaker 1: on Trump's injury from the assassination attempt. There's some question

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Speaker 1: as to whether or not it's a bullet or shrapnel.

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Speaker 3: I am totally unsurprised by that, Molly, And look, I

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Speaker 3: have taken to referring to this not as an assassination attempt,

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Speaker 3: but as an attempted murder, because this kid was a

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Speaker 3: broken brained, sorry, sick little guy. And I mean that

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Speaker 3: in the most sympathetic way to people with profound mental illnesses,

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Speaker 3: which he clearly had. This was not motivated by wokeness

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Speaker 3: or by George Soros. My favorite fuckery this week, Molly,

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Speaker 3: is Trump chicken shitting out on the debates because Trump

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Speaker 3: is now like, we don't know if she will even

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Speaker 3: be the nominee. I'm like, no, bitch, she won't be

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Speaker 3: the nominee. And they're pretending like there's some uncertainty here,

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Speaker 3: and there's no uncertainty here, folks. There's no uncertainty here

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Speaker 3: at all. She's going to be the nominee. And Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump and Stephen Chung and Jason Miller and all these

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Speaker 3: other idiots can tweet all they want. It doesn't change

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Speaker 3: the fact that Donald Trump is hiding like a little bitch.

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Speaker 3: He's running away. What that's it? You got my chicken noise?

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Speaker 3: Now you've heard heard it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Wilson, Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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