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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have a

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Speaker 1: great guest with me. Her name is Laura Becker.

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Speaker 2: She is an.

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Speaker 1: Artist and also a detransitioner activist, which I find fascinating

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Speaker 1: because I think we've heard so much, especially in this

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Speaker 1: last race, about this last election, about the trans community

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Speaker 1: and sensitivities to the trans community. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people find the ads on the Republican side frustrating,

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Speaker 1: and then on the Republican side, people were saying, gosh,

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Speaker 1: I think they might have been effective. So I thought,

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Speaker 1: what a great time to get to talk to Laura,

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Speaker 1: because Laura, you've been through this. You actually went through

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Speaker 1: the you had a terribly abusive childhood and then had

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Speaker 1: sort of it sounds like people push you into the

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Speaker 1: transgender movement and you've come out of that. You wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about that, So I appreciate you being willing

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Speaker 1: to come on and be vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: Thank you well, Thank you so much, Tutor, And I'm

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Speaker 3: just grateful to be able to share this story because

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Speaker 3: I think people are hungry for it.

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Speaker 2: And it's about time we start telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's do that, because I think that from the

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Speaker 1: perspective of someone who hasn't gone through this. I've had

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Speaker 1: people around me that have had this, had the I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say necessarily. They've had friends that have gone through

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Speaker 1: the transition, and so far they're very young, they are

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Speaker 1: very new to the process. So I haven't had a

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Speaker 1: lot of experience with people who have come back and said,

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Speaker 1: this didn't go the way I thought it would. But

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Speaker 1: I've read a lot of things where people have had

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Speaker 1: a lot of regrets, especially I think male to female

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Speaker 1: transition because of the massive surgery, the what they call

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Speaker 1: the bottom surgery, and the repercussions of that afterward. So

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Speaker 1: if you just want to if you can just share

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Speaker 1: what you experience and how you decided this actually isn't

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it is a long story.

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Speaker 3: That's why I do have a memoir that'll be coming

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Speaker 3: out next year. But to kind of give a synopsis,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was, you know, raised in a Midwestern

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Speaker 2: A bit sheltered.

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Speaker 3: Had a pretty good childhood overall, but around the time

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Speaker 3: when I started to go through middle childhood, there was

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Speaker 3: abuse in my family, chronic abuse from my father, psychological, verbal,

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Speaker 3: and emotional abuse, and that severely damaged my self esteem.

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Speaker 3: I felt completely worthless. And that's about the time I

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Speaker 3: of social issues, emotional issues. I was diagnosed on the

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Speaker 3: autism spectrum, so I just had a whole host of

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Speaker 3: things going on on top of already adolescence. And so

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Speaker 3: gen z. So this was kind of when social media

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Speaker 3: this before. So I became hyper online because that's what autistic,

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Speaker 3: socially awkward kids do, and I was socializing on Tumblr.

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Speaker 3: I was so on these very far leftist social media

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Speaker 1: Great happens on Tumblr. I'm like, I am totally ignorant

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Speaker 1: to what Tumblr even is, if you can explain that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Tumblr was kind of like an alternative to Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Tumblr was I like, there, Yes, that's okay, just joking.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been cool when I was growing up,

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Speaker 3: but it was. I that's okay. But Tumblr had, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of where we're seeing a lot of memes.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing a lot of really dark jokes, a lot

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Speaker 3: Fandoms for TV shows like Supernatural or kind of like

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Speaker 3: There was many great things to Tumblr. It helped me

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of pornography, there was

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Speaker 2: So that's when I started.

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Speaker 3: Learning about wokeism, and I at first viewed it all

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Speaker 3: you grow up and you hit the real world. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: just a little eccentric in general. So I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this non binary label and this kind of queer label. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: what also comes with the queer label is the political

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Speaker 3: side of queerness. Queerness isn't just being gay or trans.

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Speaker 3: Queerness is a political identity where we're developing this far

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Speaker 3: leftist ideology to kind of instigate rebellion, instigate the kind

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Speaker 3: It's a Marxist ideology if we read the literature of

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Speaker 1: So you know, Oh, I had no idea. This is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when this is like widely known that that's

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know James, but he's kind

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Speaker 3: of been popularizing this because he's gone through and read

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Speaker 3: comes from postmodernist theory. And the postmodernists were all about deconstruction.

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Speaker 3: And if we think about the language of deconstruction, it's

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Speaker 2: It's a very nihilistic philosophy.

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Speaker 3: And so if we look at like decolonization, decentering your whiteness,

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Speaker 3: where there really isn't any different.

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Speaker 3: It's all performative, and so a girl or boy could

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Speaker 2: Women, it's a nice thought. It's a nice fantasy.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately that fantasy really really harmed me and is

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Speaker 1: Like a tumbler, what you were talking about, do you

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Speaker 1: like this? You know, there's just all kinds of pressures

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Speaker 1: It's like the Witch and Hansel and Gretel, you know,

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Speaker 3: pretty much every de transitioner that I know describes it

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Speaker 3: they're not meaning to hurt anyone. They're not like sexual

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Speaker 3: of evangelizing this idea of queerness and evangelizing this idea

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Speaker 3: It's not like the gay and lesbian sort of civil

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Speaker 1: That's what I think has been so hard for people

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Speaker 3: be off. If the women are off, the men are off,

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00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: the children are off. You know, everything is off right

433
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: now in terms of understanding and appreciating our sex bodies.

434
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: So it's not a surprise to me that there's this

435
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: kind of spiritual cult right now of body modification and

436
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 3: thinking that we can transcend all of that, because as

437
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: what detransitioners show is that doesn't really work.

438
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: And then we come.

439
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: Back and now we have to try to pick up

440
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: the pieces of our lives in our you know, twenties

441
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: and thirties to try and figure out and you know, can.

442
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: We even have kids.

443
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: Luckily I can, but a lot of us can't. They've

444
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 3: had hysterectomies, they have their testicles removed. I mean, this

445
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 3: is just disgusting, and so I'm I'm a secular person,

446
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: but I like to use spiritual language to describe this

447
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: like evil. I really do believe this is evil, and

448
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: I think it's intentional disruption of the norm. And if

449
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 3: you're going against the norm and what is good and

450
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: what's worked for a long time, I do think that's

451
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: evil because we're lying to children that there's something wrong

452
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: with their bodies, lying to women that they can't trust

453
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: their own intuition and their own eyes and sense of

454
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 3: reality of a man is in their locker room. We're

455
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: lying to men that we don't need them, and men

456
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: have no place in society. I mean, I'm getting worked

457
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 3: out because it's just it's it's destroyed my generation and

458
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: it's destroying the younger generation.

459
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Speaker 1: Well, but I think about I mean, you were making

460
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: me think about my generation and the things like even

461
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: body modification is not new and it's not just a

462
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: trans issue, because I mean I remember when I was

463
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, if somebody got their nose done,

464
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my gosh, so and so got

465
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: their news done. And now I look at people and

466
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, do they have any of their original parts?

467
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Like I see women walking past with their lips are different,

468
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: their eyes are different. They don't look it doesn't and

469
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: it's weird because it doesn't look younger, it doesn't look

470
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: even human. It's a really weird look. But it's everywhere.

471
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I just got back from a trip overseas

472
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an American thing. It was

473
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: not an American thing. I'm like, everybody has this weird

474
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: fake face. And I think we've become this society that

475
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: is so unhappy with what's natural. How do we get

476
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: back to being happy with what's natural? And I and

477
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: I ask this because when I was thirty eight years old,

478
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I had breast cancer. So I had a double misectomy

479
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: and I and then I had reconstruction, and you know,

480
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: you I look at it and it's obviously different than

481
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: what I was as a natural woman, you know, and

482
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: you have something else inside of your body, and it's

483
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: like it's very it feels different, it looks different. It's

484
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: it's strange, and I don't like it. But I know

485
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: that I did it because I was saving my life

486
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: and otherwise the cancer would have killed me, you know,

487
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: And so I think that for me, I'm like, Okay,

488
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: well this is like the consolation. I'm doing this because

489
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: I had to. But it breaks my heart for the

490
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: people who, whether they are in your situation or young

491
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: women who decided to have implants and have changed their

492
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: body completely and think that that's the answer, and you're

493
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: just then you're trying to put the pieces back together,

494
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: and I just don't know how we got here.

495
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's so it's just sad

496
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: because and that's why my book is called Surviving the

497
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: trans Myth, and there's a lot of myths in there,

498
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: but one of the biggest myths is the suicide myth.

499
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: These people really do believe.

500
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: That their bodies, that their breasts are a cancer, and

501
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: it's obviously so disrespectful to women like yourself who actually

502
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: have had to save their life by having their breasts removed.

503
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 3: But then we have these delusional teenagers, and I will

504
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: say it's not just their fault either.

505
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: They are brainwashed by.

506
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: These exactly, And that is the part that breaks my heart,

507
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: because they didn't have to and somebody convinced them they did.

508
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: I think that's harder. It's to me, I'm like so

509
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: mad at these doctors. How could you do this? You know,

510
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: it's not like they're they're ignorant to what happens to

511
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: women that go through this, because they know there's the

512
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: mes out there, there's the people that have had to

513
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: do it. And man, when I had to do it,

514
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: we went through I sat with my surgeon and I

515
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: was like, tell me what this is like, Like do

516
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: I ever look like a woman again? How do I

517
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: wear a bathing suit? All the things, the questions that

518
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you have, you know, and and he went through in

519
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: great detail. We've had so many women that we've changed

520
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: surgery so much over the years. This is what it'll

521
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: look like, this is what we can do, this is

522
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: how we can keep this skin and that skin. And

523
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean we went through it in great detail to

524
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: try to make it seem like I could still be me,

525
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: even though there was going to be a part of

526
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: me missing. So it makes me mad because I think

527
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: those guys with me cried with me, and they were like,

528
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: we're going to try to make this as normal as possible,

529
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: knowing that it wasn't normal, you know. And then there

530
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: has to be someone that's gone through that that decided

531
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: to cut off kids breasts. How how I don't understand it.

532
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: I think a lot of like the surgeons are probably

533
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: psychopathic and narcissistic, and they get a great charge for

534
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: their egos to think, oh, I'm saving these kids' life.

535
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think there are some

536
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: surgeons that actually get sexual gratification mutilating young women's bodies

537
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: because the way that they will do the surgeries so botched.

538
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: I mean, we have met me and my friends document

539
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff online, so we'll go through TikTok

540
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: trans TikTok and look at these surgeries. I mean it's

541
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: like they're purposely harming these women.

542
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: And seeing these images too, I mean I didn't really

543
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: think of it that way, but now that you're bringing

544
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: it up, I have seen these pictures of kids and

545
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I went through the same surgery. I

546
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: don't look like that at all. Could how could that be?

547
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: How they did this to these kids? Like these lines

548
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: right across their chest? What is that?

549
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what my scars look like.

550
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: And mine mine are relatively good compared to some of

551
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: the surgeries. But it's like there's almost a again, it's

552
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: a queering. So it's an inversion of the normal and

553
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: the good, and so beauty and ugliness are inverted and

554
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: health and illness are inverted, and so there's almost a

555
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: it's almost a badge of honor to have scars. And

556
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: you'll see like pop merchandise on at sea or whatever

557
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: where these girls are selling t shirts with self harm scars,

558
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: like the transurgery scars, because it's kind of like a

559
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: badge of honor, like almost like being a warrior in

560
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: a sense, like you're putting on some kind of warpaint

561
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: because they really are struggling, they really do hate themselves.

562
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: They're in a lot of pain, and they're suicidal, and

563
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: they really believe this is what's helping them survive. And

564
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: so to it's like, oh, I had to cut off

565
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: my breasts, I'm proud of that because it means that

566
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: I'm loving myself so much. But to the rest of

567
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: the normal world, and then to the transitioners who have

568
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: kind of woken up from and left the cult or horrified,

569
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: because that's obviously not loving yourself. And a lot of

570
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: these kids are autistic and they have some kind of

571
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: developmental issues where they're even more naives. So even though

572
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 3: I was nineteen and twenty, I was suicidal and I

573
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: was autistic and had undiagnosed PTSD.

574
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: So I wasn't functioning at all.

575
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: I was not an adult whatsoever, and so but legally

576
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: they are, and they even though I couldn't even legally

577
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: drink alcohol, I could go to get my breast chopped off.

578
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: Even though I told the surgeon that I was suicidal.

579
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: Surgeon didn't care because he was making money off of it.

580
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: And there's no safeguards right now from any of the

581
00:31:53,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: activist organizations or human rights organizations or pediatric organizations to say, hey,

582
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: we need to do this ethically, and you can't just

583
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: operate on anybody right now.

584
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: It's a wild West of medicine.

585
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more with Laura Becker. But first I

586
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the International Fellowship of Christians in Jews.

587
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Speaker 1: They wish you a blessed beginning to the holiday season

588
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589
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606
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Is this something that you still

607
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: feel like there needs to be a change, There needs

608
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: to be some activism to stop this.

609
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Me and other detransitioners, parents and professionals across the

611
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: world are really campaigning hard to raise awareness of this,

612
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: to raise awareness of the lack of ethics being done

613
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: in medicine. And so it doesn't matter if it's a

614
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: minor or what age the person is to be able

615
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: to give consent, you actually have to have Number one,

616
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: the mental faculty to consent. You can't be suicidal or

617
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: in a deep mental distress.

618
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Number two, the.

619
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Speaker 3: Procedures actually have to have some kind of benefit. Like

620
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: if you're going to say this is out there and

621
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: build this to your insurance companies doctors going to say

622
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: this is mental health care, you have to actually have

623
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: demonstrable outcomes that this improves health.

624
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: Right now, we don't have any evidence.

625
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: We don't have studies that show that this actually is

626
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: life saving care.

627
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: Right now, it's cosmetic.

628
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: It's horribly done cosmetic surgery paraded as healthcare and sold

629
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: as snake oil to vulnerable people. And so I'm completely

630
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: in support of a full ban of all you know,

631
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 3: puberty suppressed iNTS, hormones and surgeries for under eighteens, and

632
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 3: I would really like to ban it under twenty five

633
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: at least, because I don't think there's any outcomes to

634
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: suggest that this actually helps anyone.

635
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: But in terms of getting.

636
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: It classified as a you know, you know, cosmetic surgery

637
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: like a breast and plant or a breast removal type situation,

638
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: there needs to be some serious safeguards in place, and

639
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: we already have precedence for that, like you know for

640
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: sterilization if women want to get their tubes tied or.

641
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: Things like that. So it's not like this is brand news.

642
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Such a good point because even to have a vasectomy,

643
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: my husband and I had to be there. We had

644
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: to have a conference, We had to both sign things

645
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: like we've had kids. You couldn't when we were young.

646
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: You couldn't even do it if you hadn't had kids yet.

647
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Men could. We're not legally allowed to do it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that this is just you are stopping

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Speaker 1: a child from going through puberty, changing their voices, permanently,

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Speaker 1: changing how their bodies function. I just it's just mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that we can't say does anybody else

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Speaker 1: think this is pretty messed up. It's like if you

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Speaker 1: speak out, you are a terrible person. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: this congressman who came out or senator, one of the two.

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Speaker 1: I have to figure out what this guy's name is.

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Speaker 1: I keep bringing him up. He came out and he

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, we're actually as a Democrat, I'm

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Speaker 1: not really allowed to say I don't want to have

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Speaker 1: men and women's sports. It's like, why are we so

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Speaker 1: afraid of saying, does hey, anybody else think this is

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Speaker 1: messed up? Like this is crazy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One term for it is suicidal empathy.

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Speaker 3: So we're living in this culture where we have this empathy. Well,

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Speaker 3: we must be so compassionate, we must be so tiptoeing

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Speaker 3: around and walking on eggshells. Well, that's a narcissist paradise.

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Speaker 3: So people who are narcissistic, they're demanding that you curtowed

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Speaker 3: anything that they want, any demand, and so it's misguided empathy.

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Speaker 3: And so again I think better than empathy is truth.

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Speaker 3: That's what my advice is to everyone tell the truth

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Speaker 3: as articulately, as plainly as you can with your conviction

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Speaker 3: and your values. That it doesn't matter if what someone

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Speaker 3: you can't control how someone reacts, you can only control

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Speaker 3: if you're controlling your own behavior and your own words,

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Speaker 3: and if you're acting and speaking with truth, then that's

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Speaker 3: all that really matters. And that is real empathy, that

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Speaker 3: is real compassion. I didn't need a doctor to tell

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Speaker 3: me when I went to my follow up appointment, Wow, Laura,

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Speaker 3: you're looking, you know, so handsome with your flat chest.

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Speaker 3: I didn't need him to lie to me about the

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Speaker 3: mutilation that had just occurred. I needed somebody to tell me, Wow, Laura, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm really concerned for your well being, are you okay?

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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy to see that whoever.

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Speaker 3: That guy is, I don't know if he's a congressmat

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Speaker 3: or center or what he is either, but that man

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Speaker 3: that just spoke out, I mean, I'm so I am

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Speaker 3: truly feeling so optimistic, even though I'm quite worked up

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Speaker 3: right now. I'm feeling quite optimistic right now because we've

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Speaker 3: been working for several years now to try and get

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Speaker 3: public awareness of this. Now that we have conservative control

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Speaker 3: over the government in pretty much every aspect, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we're ready to get this done. Like we're done lying,

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Speaker 3: We're done cartowing to manipulation and emotional manipulation. The suicide

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Speaker 3: threat is a myth, and I really believe that we

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Speaker 3: are going to see more people speaking up and speaking

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Speaker 3: out because once you've had a child that cuts their

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Speaker 3: breasts off, or once you've had your own breast cut off,

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Speaker 3: or once you've been threatened to lose your license if

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Speaker 3: you tell, if you're a therapist and you tell a

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Speaker 3: patient that you think they should wait to keep their

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Speaker 3: mental health before having their breast cut off, once you've

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Speaker 3: been in that or known someone like that, you're never

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Speaker 3: going to go back to lying again. And I think

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Speaker 3: we just need more of these stories coming out because

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Speaker 3: we need to stop lying.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so proud of you. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you do it because it's so hard. I

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Speaker 1: know from personal experience, it's hard to talk about what

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Speaker 1: happened to you personally. It's hard to go out there

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Speaker 1: and be vulnerable. And you're so young, and you're so

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Speaker 1: strong and so impressed that you have come out and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is not right. I have hope too, And I

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Speaker 1: think that that's why we need to share our stories.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and even my story. I share my cancer

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Speaker 1: story because I know other people are going through it,

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Speaker 1: and you are in the same situation. You know other

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Speaker 1: people are going through this. You know they're still finding this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that kids in my daughter's school

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Speaker 1: go through things like this, They go through these questions,

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Speaker 1: and there's such a fear around having the conversation with kids.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this because it's helping people to

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Speaker 1: not be afraid that narcissism. I find that fascinating too,

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Speaker 1: because it's true. It's like the narcissistic way is do

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Speaker 1: not question me, do not go against me. I know

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Speaker 1: what's best, and you feel like, ooh, okay, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to offend anybody. We're in this society that doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to offend. So when do you think the book

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Speaker 1: will be out? And give us the name of the

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Speaker 1: book one more time.

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Speaker 3: So my book is called Surviving the trans Myth. It's

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Speaker 3: part memoir, part cultural analysis, and sometime next year twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, still working on it, but that's going to

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Speaker 3: be out on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to make sure that.

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Speaker 3: You're keeping up with all the work I'm doing, which

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Speaker 3: is way too many things, you can follow me on

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Speaker 3: Twitter Laura Becker Real and if any parent or anyone

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Speaker 3: is struggling with some kind of gender issue or you

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Speaker 3: want to learn more, please email me at Laura Beckerofficial

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Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. I welcome any inc that you

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Speaker 3: might have.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's great, because I do think there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people that just don't know who

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Speaker 1: to turn to. And I think that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: Someone who's been through it, someone who's lived it, someone

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Speaker 1: who understands it, and the fact that you are open

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Speaker 1: to having these discussions and just having this conversation. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's been amazing, and I can tell you're an incredibly

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Speaker 1: intelligent woman, and I just am so glad there are

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Speaker 1: people like you out there. So I just want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on today.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, and I thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you all for listening as always to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, but thank you for listening today. And as

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Speaker 1: you know, you can find this podcast or others at

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: So join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast

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Speaker 1: to have a blessed day