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Speaker 1: All right, Rapaport's Reality.

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Speaker 2: My name is Michael Rapport, my wife, co host, the

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Speaker 2: star of the show.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't be here.

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Speaker 2: We have an interview, a special, super duper interview with

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Speaker 2: the number one guy, the number one guy, star of

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Speaker 2: the Valley season two, star of vander Pump Rules, Reality

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Speaker 2: TV royalty icon Jacks Taylor. Jax Taylor is with me again.

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Speaker 2: Keeby couldn't make this episode. Jax Taylor is with me

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Speaker 2: Rapaport's Reality, talking about all things going on in his world,

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Speaker 2: the highs, the lows, the history, the craziness, episode two,

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Speaker 2: which was probably the darkest episode of reality TV on

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Speaker 2: Bravo in the history of Bravo. It's a great interview

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Speaker 2: coming up next with Jax Taylor, the number one Guy

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Speaker 2: Valley season two. You gotta watch it, you gotta listen,

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Speaker 2: Stay with me, all right.

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Speaker 1: Three two one rap Reports Reality.

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Speaker 2: My name is Michael Rappaport, and we have actually our

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Speaker 2: very first guest, and we couldn't have a more exciting guest.

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Speaker 1: The number one guy in the group.

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Speaker 2: It's certified, it's platinum, it's iconic.

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Speaker 1: The number one.

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Speaker 2: Guy in the group, Jax Taylor, who is the host

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Speaker 2: of the mind of Jack's podcast and who is currently

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Speaker 2: starring in season two of The Valley Jax Taylor, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on the podcast, man.

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting to be on your podcast for a very,

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Speaker 3: very long time. I'm a huge fan of yours as well. Man,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on, especially with all the craziness

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Speaker 2: that I know is going on in your world in

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Speaker 2: your life with the show. And I know, like the

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Speaker 2: show was recorded months ago, and things change and you

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Speaker 2: evolve in your relationship, and I'm just gonna jump into it.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I'm going to tell you this right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of reality TV. I'm a fan of yours.

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Speaker 2: And even though sometimes my people might view as the

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Speaker 2: all sorts of things that you've heard over the years,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that you are one of

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Speaker 2: hate it, offended by it, upset by it. You have

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Speaker 2: kept it real, for better or for worse, the whole time.

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Speaker 2: And I get offended when people shit on reality stars that.

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Speaker 1: Keep it real.

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Speaker 2: Even if it's not clean, because you're doing it essentially

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Speaker 2: for all of our entertainment.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt you here, but do you

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Speaker 3: all day long? Or do you want to have entertainment?

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Speaker 3: You know, you're damned if you do, you're damned if

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Speaker 3: you don't. Do you want us to make good TV

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Speaker 3: to entertainment to take away from your workday or do

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Speaker 3: you want us to sit in the corner and get canceled?

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Speaker 3: Make up your mind, because you can't make anybody happy.

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Speaker 3: If you're too crazy, people say, oh my god, it's

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Speaker 3: It's like you can't fucking win.

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Speaker 2: You can't fucking win since you've been doing it for

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Speaker 3: So I've been on TV fourteen years now, so fourteen

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so y, you're a veteran.

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Speaker 2: So how much more conscience are you of what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: It's night and day. You know, the game has changed,

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Speaker 3: how I acted now where my feelings warranted. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 2: And what you have done on the fourteen years of

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Speaker 3: I'm probably maybe the only cast that doesn't watch I

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Speaker 3: Why Look why do you think? Look? I mean, look

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Speaker 1: Right, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: You know, my wife and I we were talking about

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Speaker 1: It's fucking dark. It's dark.

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Speaker 2: And that episode was, in my opinion, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm getting there. I'm not going to say I'm better.

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Speaker 3: I tried to stay away from the noise. I turn

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Speaker 2: I just wish you peace and the best, to be

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Speaker 3: All I care about, is just being a really good dad.

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Speaker 3: I'm not only good damage to her, but I've done

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Speaker 3: I'm always worried on what people think of me. You know,

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Speaker 3: I just have to really really work at it. But

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate this honesty, Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I want to pivot to a little bit more lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: Fan of the new show, although it's fucking dark.

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Speaker 2: I think the valley in general, not the show, The

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Speaker 2: It can be bleak and lonely. I think that you've

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get in trouble for saying this,

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Speaker 3: out there. I didn't have a film and I said

431
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: what was on my mind. You either liked me or

432
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: you didn't. I didn't give a fuck in those days,

433
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 3: and those days I didn't care. I was trying to

434
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 3: make a good television show and if I knew something,

435
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna fucking say it. I didn't come together

436
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 3: with my significant other and be like, Okay, we're not

437
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 3: going to talk about this, We're not going to do this,

438
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to skate by. So I did think.

439
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: You were getting yours when you first got casts in

440
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: vander pump Rules. First of all, remind me and remind

441
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: of the listeners, What were you doing in Los Angeles

442
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 2: at the time? Like, what were your hopes and dreams

443
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 2: when you were in Los Angeles? And then what did

444
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 2: you think you were getting yourself into when vander Pump

445
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 2: Rules started.

446
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't have any

447
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: many oaps and dreams. I was working at Sir, I

448
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 3: was in between. I was modeling full time. I was

449
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 3: making a really good living modeling, and I didn't want

450
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 3: to do it anymore. So I was thirty years old,

451
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 3: I want to think. I think I was thirty when

452
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: I stopped. And then I was dating Stasse at the time,

453
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 3: and she's like, what are you gonna do now? You

454
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: need to get a job or something. I'm like, I

455
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 3: don't fucking know what to do with myself. She's like,

456
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 3: why don't you come work and bartend at Sir? The

457
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: restaurant I work at and all my friends worked there anyway,

458
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, why not? Because I get

459
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: to hang out there, I get to drink, I get

460
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 3: to have fun. I get to be with my friends

461
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: making a little money until I figure out what I'm

462
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: going to do. It was close to the house. I

463
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: could walk there I mean, this is this is a

464
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: win win at least I'm not sitting around doing nothing

465
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: until I figure out something. As you know, back in

466
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 3: those days, actors modeled whatever they barked on the other

467
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: side until they got their gig. No big, no different

468
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 3: than me. I was working at sir. You know, I

469
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 3: got the call from the producer Jack, we want to

470
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: see you. Once you come in and you know, meet

471
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: the producers. You know, you know how throws meet everybody.

472
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: And I guess I sold them, and you know, the

473
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: rest is history. I was going to move back to Florida.

474
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: That was the My parents lived in Florida, and I

475
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: was kind of like, you know what, I've been in

476
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: LA for a long time. I'm going to get out

477
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: of here, go get a real job at Florida and

478
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: get out. And that was my plan. I actually had

479
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: it all setting up, and I decided to go on

480
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 3: one more audition and the rest is history.

481
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: Wow.

482
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: And at the time, I mean, reality was was a thing.

483
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: It's certainly not what it is and not what it

484
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: is now, what.

485
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: Did you think it was going to be?

486
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 2: Are you like, oh, this is just a check This

487
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: is like some stupid thing that no one's gonna see

488
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: like we really get.

489
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: Well, I think we just we scut gold. We were

490
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: at the right time, the right place. You know. You

491
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: got to give props to Lisa Vanderpump on this when

492
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: she saw something here and she saw the dynamic of

493
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 3: the cast. And when I say, I said this so

494
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: many times, I say this on every podcast, you will

495
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: never ever ever recreate the original Vanderpump roles. It will

496
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: never happen. Why because we were the originally friends. We

497
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: were friends for years and years prior to this, So

498
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: they had an organic group of friends that we didn't.

499
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: We weren't casted, they weren't looking for people they are.

500
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: We were all there. We just came in for a meet,

501
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: you know. So you're going to get an organic show.

502
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: You're gonna get whether or not the show was airing.

503
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 3: All this was going on anyway. In fact, when we

504
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: were when we were not filming, they would get really upset,

505
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,479
Speaker 3: the producers and brab and all that. They're like, are

506
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: they hanging out? Are they talking to each other? Because yeah,

507
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: we we literally we all lived together. We were with

508
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: eachach other every single day. We all dated each other.

509
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: It was very incestuous, but then they would be like, no,

510
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: you can't talk to him today. I'm like, wait a minute,

511
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: I talk to him every day. Don't disrupt our lives,

512
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: because then it becomes fake, you know. So then they

513
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: just they would add just more episodes because they knew

514
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: we were hanging out so much, and they just like, bot,

515
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: let's add more episodes, add more episodes. So it was

516
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: so organic and so real and so like the camera

517
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: guys would just show up and turn the cameras on.

518
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: There was no you got to go here, you got

519
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: to do this. It wasn't like that at all. And

520
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: I feel like you'll never ever be able to create

521
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: such a dynamic group of people again, such a core

522
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: group of friends. Now. Has the dynamic changed over the

523
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: years or the last fourteen years. Yeah, we don't all

524
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: see each other. Every life goes on, we all have kids,

525
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: get married, move apart. But I tell you what, there's

526
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: some people I don't talk to anymore or whatever. But

527
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: I got a phone call tomorrow from Sass, who I

528
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: haven't talked to, from Bo, from Ariana. I would be

529
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: there in a heartbeat. I would be there in a heartbeat.

530
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: All things aside, whether how we ever, feel for each other.

531
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Speaker 3: If somebody needed me tomorrow, I would be there in

532
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: a heartbeat. Part no problem, no questions asked.

533
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Speaker 1: Do you think that would ever happen?

534
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: Where like you guys did where they got the ogs,

535
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: the whole crew, the best of the best of vander Pump,

536
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: whether it's in a year or two years, and like, yo,

537
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: we're gonna shoot for two weeks and I don't know

538
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: fucking Hawaii or we're gonna you know, White Lotus It

539
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: and go to Thailand and you know, and you know,

540
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: hash out old things, new things. You know, you bring kids.

541
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: Kristin Doty, do you think that could happen?

542
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Speaker 3: How did you just crawl in my brain? Because I've

543
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: already talked about this with mister Baskin already, and I'm like,

544
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: I already see it, Like maybe between two and five

545
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: years you kind of bring everyone back and do exactly

546
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: what you said, White Lotus It. Let's all go away

547
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: for two weeks, just film the shit out of it

548
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: for two weeks and see what happens. I think it

549
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: would be great just to see where everybody is, to

550
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: see everybody's relationships, who's grown, who has it, where, who

551
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: has kids, whose kids are moving? Around. I think it

552
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: would be a genius idea, and I honestly think it'll

553
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 3: probably I don't see it not happening, but it just

554
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: depends on, Like, I think it's got to take at least,

555
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: you know, between two and five years. Let's take a

556
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: little bit of break with what happened, and then let's

557
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: revisit it. But I don't I think it's a genius idea.

558
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: It's a genius idea, definitely. I like the idea of

559
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: us going to an island somewhere and secluded and not

560
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: any outside noise, because sometimes we get influenced, especially now

561
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: since vanderpupp Rules in the Valley are so popular. It's

562
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, when the Kardashians got so busy,

563
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: it was hard to film anywhere because people recognize and

564
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: that it gets tough, it gets difficult. So I think

565
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: putting us on an island, like a white lotus type

566
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: of thing would be so awesome.

567
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: It would be I think you guys need to do it.

568
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: To listen the fans.

569
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: When they said that Vanderpup Rules was ending last year,

570
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: I was like, no, the fucking thing needs to keep going,

571
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: like until you're eighty seven, Like when you fucking have

572
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: your own bars and people aren't fucking walkers, Like, just

573
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: keep filming the whole You've already filmed enough, Like, keep

574
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: fucking going.

575
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: I think you know what. I had mixed feelings about it.

576
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's one of those things. I

577
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: feel like they just had to close the book. You know,

578
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: everybody's getting older, people are getting married, people are having kids,

579
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: And that's kind of why how I decided I wanted

580
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: to do the Valley. It was during COVID when I said, hey,

581
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: I want to come back to TV. And I called

582
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: Alex Basking and I said, hey, can you meet me somewhere?

583
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: I have an idea. We sat at the hotel for

584
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: We sat in a hotel for three hours. It was

585
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: a cold, wintery night. This is again, right after COVID.

586
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: I wasn't on TV and I said, hey, listen, I

587
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: took two years off, you know, I was let go

588
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: from Vanderpump and now I'm and I'm like, hey, listen,

589
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: I think it's time to come back to TV. I

590
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: have this idea. Now, this idea was thrown around a lot,

591
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: but no one, every no one ever took any action

592
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: to do it. So I was like, I'm going to

593
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: make this happen. So I said, hey, listen, I got

594
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: a core group of friends here that I really hang

595
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: out with that I really like, we all in the valley. Now,

596
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: we're all we're all married, having kids, kind of starting

597
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: the next chapter of our lives. I don't want to

598
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: say housewives. We're not housewives yet, but we're not vanter Pump.

599
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: We're kind of in that middle, you know, we're kind

600
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: of graduated from vander Pump onto the next chapter, which

601
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call in the middle of housewives

602
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: and vander Pump something like that. So I was like,

603
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, I have a core group of people and

604
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: the people that are on the show that people don't

605
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: other than myself, Brittany and Kristen. People always want to

606
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: know where they came from. They've always been around. They

607
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: were always invited to the Vanderpunt, you know, throughout the

608
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: years vander Pump rules, we would have parties or they

609
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 3: would have people at the bar or whatever. So all

610
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: these people were always in the background of vanderr Pump.

611
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: They were always our friends. They just weren't casted on

612
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: the show, so they kind of knew what was going on.

613
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 3: They knew how to play the game. They're friends with

614
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: all of us if they're in our group, and it

615
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: just made sense. And I wanted to bring people on

616
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: that that I thought would fit this dynamic well. And

617
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: I think we did a pretty good job. You know

618
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: it be myself, my manager Ryan and Alex Baskin. We

619
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, worked all this out, work this magic,

620
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: stirred it up and kind of pitched it to the

621
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: network and you know they loved it.

622
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's heating up and you talk about you know,

623
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: they know the game, they know the drill.

624
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: The revamp of vander Pump Rules.

625
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 2: If a twenty one year old kid who was just

626
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: got cast on a show that takes place in a

627
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: bar in West Hollywood came up to be like, hey man, yo,

628
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm a bartend. I just got cast on this reality show.

629
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: I've already had I handle it.

630
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: I've already had.

631
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: What what do you tell people?

632
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: So the new cast there's a new cast of vander

633
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: Pump Rules. They recasted it, right. Well, I just so

634
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: happened to know a couple of the guys, and you know,

635
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: it's funny. I met two of them at the gym,

636
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: and it just so. They came up to me and

637
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: they said, hey, are you Jackson. Yeah, we just want

638
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: to let you know we're on the new show. We

639
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: just want to shake your hand. You're an icon. People

640
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: talk about you all the time and thank you so much.

641
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm an old man now, these guys are. These guys

642
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: are half my age, and now get back into it.

643
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, if you have any have any suggestions

644
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: for us on how to go through this world of

645
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: what you guys created, I'm gonna tell you said listen,

646
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let you guys know right now, you're

647
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: never gonna beat or recreate banter pup rules. It's not

648
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And I'm saying this because I don't want

649
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: you guys to try so hard to try to outdo

650
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: what was done. You guys need to do what's good

651
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: for you. You guys need to make this your show.

652
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: Don't try to worry about if you're making them happy

653
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: or trying to beat the other show. That's what I

654
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: was trying to say to them. I don't know if that

655
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: makes sense. You guys, create your own project, create your

656
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: own product. Do what's good for you. The world was

657
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: a very different place when we started Vanterpump Rules. What

658
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: we did doesn't really work today, So the generations are different.

659
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: Times are different. You can't you'll never be able to

660
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: recreate that. So just do what's good for you, be honest.

661
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: That's me saying that out of all people, I should

662
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: take my own fucking advice. Be honest, because you will

663
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: never ever get away with a lie. On reality TV,

664
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: people know everything and things always come out. Be authentic,

665
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: don't overact. People who watch reality TV nowadays are very

666
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: very smart. They can see through the bullshit and just

667
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: have fun, have fun with it. I mean people would

668
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: kill to be in your shoes, would kill you. Get

669
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: to be like I remember like Saved by the Bell.

670
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: Remember Saved by the Bell? Say yeah, remember the new class.

671
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Then they had the yeah you are now banter Pup

672
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: rules the new class. So take what you know, maybe

673
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: watch banter Pup a little bit, study it a little bit,

674
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: and then make it your own. If that makes any sense, Yeah.

675
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I get it.

676
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: But if they followed that up with what how do

677
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I handle myself? Like you said, be real, be honest,

678
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: you can't lie. You know all that stuff Like to me,

679
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: it just seems like I watched the show so much

680
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: and I've seen people sort of you know, they in

681
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: hindsight they go, well, I didn't come off that way,

682
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: or I shouldn't have came off of this, and.

683
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: They didn't use this. Is that frustrating? Like you know,

684
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: like in terms of like the tricks of the trade

685
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: of it. Well, you know.

686
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: Again again, I know how to do it because I've

687
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: been doing this for fourteen years, So I know in

688
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: my head when I'm filming scene, I know how they're

689
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: gonna In my head, I think I know how they're

690
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: going to play this out right, I.

691
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Know are you you're shooting now?

692
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: Well, now I am. I've been doing this for fourteen years.

693
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm aware of how this is going

694
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: to play out. And we all are, the whole cast

695
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: knows how. We're all Like I said, we've been doing

696
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: it for a long time. So we're automatically going to

697
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: micro manage our brains. We automatically know how a scene

698
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: is going to go. We automatically kind of can see

699
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: how it's going to play out. It's not that we

700
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: want to do it, it's just we're so programmed in

701
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: it now. We were so taught, we're so like brainwashed

702
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 3: on how things are going to work that it's just

703
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: it's easy for us to do now the new cast.

704
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: Like when you're watching reality TV. If you watch any show, right,

705
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: you want to come off good, but then sometimes you're

706
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: so in your head about how you want to come

707
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: off that you end up coming off like shit. And

708
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I don't Obviously, over the years, I don't give a shit,

709
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: Like I have no filter, and I feel like that

710
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: was who I am and people appreciate the fact that

711
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: I call people out. Yeah, I lost a lot of friends,

712
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: I lose a lot of this and that, but you

713
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: always got authentic me. You always got no filter me,

714
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: and you always I said was on my mind, whether

715
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: it hurt people or not. I was very authentic and

716
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: I can always say that.

717
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Well, you are authentic. You're the number one guy.

718
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: You might not feel like the number one guy now,

719
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: they can't take that away from you. It's an iconic moment.

720
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: You're an iconic reality TV star. I wish you and

721
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Brittany peace, sincere peace. I wish you all good things

722
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: and just to take care of yourself because like I said,

723
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, I equate reality people, reality stars to fighters.

724
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: You're out there.

725
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: You're fucking giving it, you're taking it, and you keep

726
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: coming back. And you have epitomized that, and vander Pump

727
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: Rules epitomize that. And the way the Valley is hashing

728
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: out season two it epitomized and you said it yourself.

729
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Who would have thought Kristen Dody would be the fucking

730
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: voice or reason and because she was, so you know,

731
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: but you guys keep coming and you you know, whether

732
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: we love you hate you on the show, you give

733
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: us the entertainment that we want. So I really truly

734
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: appreciate you and I wish you you nothing but the best.

735
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Man.

736
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: I hope I get to meet you in person one

737
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: of these days. I'm sure we'll cross paths. But I

738
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: love your shirt. Man. I really appreciate you having me

739
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: on and and it means a lot to you and

740
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: your wife who support me, and especially through this time

741
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: right now. It's it's a real difficult time for Brittany

742
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: and I and we're gonna come together. It'll be fine.

743
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: It will work out. This too. Shell pass is like

744
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: everything else. I've worked really hard on myself and I

745
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: think eventually we're gonna get to a good spot. I mean,

746
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: we don't really have a choice. Our son is the

747
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: number one thing, and he's the number one guy in

748
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: the group.

749
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: So he's the number one guy in the fucking group.

750
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: And and I urge you that's all that matters. And

751
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: I urge you to always remember that and take care

752
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: of yourself. And I'm gonna do your podcast and we

753
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: will finally meet in real in real life and talk

754
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: some shit and uh wait a seut, let me just

755
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: answer you a question real quick. That does a Detroit

756
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: shirt on?

757
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I'm from Detroit, right, So.

758
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to bring the conversation down. I know

759
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: you're a sports guy. You got your sports bar. The

760
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: Knicks are gonna by the time this air is, the

761
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: Knicks are gonna probably put you guys asleep.

762
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that to you right now.

763
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: The Pistons, Oh you mean the Pistons. I don't really

764
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: follow basketball. I'm I'm a Lions guy. I think we're

765
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: gonna be good this year basketball. I kind of I

766
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: don't follow that sport. I'm a hockey guy. Hockey and football,

767
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: but uh, okay.

768
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: You don't need to follow it.

769
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just letting you know that that's happening

770
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: and while. But by the time this airs and I

771
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: do your pockets, that will have been a done deal.

772
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: But I'm just letting you know.

773
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: All right, all right, hey little you know what, have

774
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: you ever seen the documentary Malice at the Palace?

775
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: Awesome?

776
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: Here, That's where I graduated high school. I had my

777
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: ceremony there, and I was I used to the Palace

778
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: of Auburn Hills is where we graduated. We had our ceremony,

779
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: so I used to know the of Auburn Hills all

780
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: the time. It was a very dangerous place. Though dangerous.

781
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna tell me mals at the

782
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: Palace if you look in the sixth row.

783
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I was the guy that I thought you were gonna go.

784
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, oh, show.

785
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: I've been to many games, Bill Lambier, Isaiah Thomas Dumars

786
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: I was that was I'm been have tons of games.

787
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was a good time.

788
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Jack's yo, I'll be watching the valley,

789
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: be listening to your podcast, and I'll be on your

790
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: podcast soon.

791
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, ma'am.

792
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Guys spoculator,