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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast proudly presented by BET

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Speaker 1: three sixty five. We are a part of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chad Noelman, chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I am joined as I am in every episode by

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Speaker 1: my bff, my companion, my compadre, professional vetter, Simon hunter HEADO.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in Hello hot chat. How are we doing, brother, dude?

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Speaker 1: We are heading into it. We are like days away

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Speaker 1: as this podcast is listened to, because we're recording a

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Speaker 1: little bit early, pulling back the curtain to accommodate my vacation.

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Speaker 1: You don't take vacation. I take vacation.

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Speaker 2: No, my whole life's vacation, Chod. I'm literally living the dream.

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Speaker 1: You are living the dream. You've been in a why

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Speaker 1: you'll come back home. You'll just bet your face off

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Speaker 1: until it's time to go to some other exotic location.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. I know. If anyone can make it work,

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Speaker 2: if you can become a multi millionaire in your thirties

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Speaker 2: and be single and no wife or kids, Chad, the

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Speaker 2: hype is real. It is truly the life.

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Speaker 1: You know what though, If you can be in your

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Speaker 1: kids are generally out of the house. All the better

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Speaker 1: then you. By the way, I'm not going to die alone.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're getting laughter from our friend, our

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Speaker 1: former colleague, one of our favorite people, a nemesis of mine,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Friedman. He's going to come on the podcast in

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Speaker 1: one second. We got a huge, huge show, a huge

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Speaker 1: football show. We're going to bring Freeman in. We love

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Speaker 1: text one eight hundred Gambler Matthew Friedman, formerly of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network, formerly of Fantasy Pros. He's got a new job.

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Speaker 1: He's the Brandon Cooks of the Fantasy Space of Folks.

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Speaker 1: Wherever he goes, it doesn't matter, he puts up numbers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you what the new job is because

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Speaker 1: by the time of his airs it will just have

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Speaker 1: been announced. But we do have live listeners on AMP,

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Speaker 1: so we don't want to reveal it yet. Friedman, I'm

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Speaker 1: just glad when you're on. I'm glad no matter where

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Speaker 1: you're working you can decide to give us a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Always, I will always don the old Fantasy Labs hat.

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Speaker 4: And it's right to come back on the show. And

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Speaker 4: by the way, you know, this could have been a

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Speaker 4: really boring show, like we could have been talking about

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Speaker 4: some really low level stuff. But you know, thanks for

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Speaker 4: having me on for the mail Bag such an important episode,

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Speaker 4: So thanks for having me Simon.

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Speaker 1: Do you sense the sarcasm in Friedman's voice?

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Speaker 2: Mail Bag is the best you get to learn a

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Speaker 2: little bit about your own yourself when you do a

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Speaker 2: mail back questions, Right, Chad.

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Speaker 1: I love the mail back questions that we got. These

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Speaker 1: are actually I was looking at these this morning. Great

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Speaker 1: job by Matt Mitchell. By the way, Matt Mitchell, kudos.

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Speaker 1: He did some extra special producing. He was sending us

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Speaker 1: mail back questions last night. He was sending us notes

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Speaker 1: for the other podcast or recording so I could be

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Speaker 1: on vacation. The guy was doing his job, and I

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Speaker 1: know he's doing a lot of other stuff. He's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of jobs.

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Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite fair line from him is it's

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Speaker 2: always better when one of you guys are prepared for

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Speaker 2: the show. So if one of you could go over

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Speaker 1: His expectations are so so that if we can get

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Speaker 1: one person it is the mail bag episode, Freeman, I

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Speaker 1: would I would look at it as there's almost no

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Speaker 1: also your history with the Action Network and Fantasy Lab.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to fire away. Here we go. Are

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Speaker 1: you ready for the first question? Did Simon? Simon didn't

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Speaker 1: even answer this question in the script. What is something

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Speaker 4: You can go first, Yeah, basically every sport that's not football,

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Speaker 4: you know, you got the NFL Draft and NFL Draft ins,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking to the next thing. What can I bet.

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Speaker 4: I'll bet some NHL player props. It's ridiculous, but it's profitable,

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Speaker 4: and then you know, the Stanley Cup finals end, and

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Speaker 1: Why do you have a model for NHL player props

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Speaker 4: So a few years ago I created the model for

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Speaker 4: March Madness player props, and once March Madness ended, I

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Speaker 4: realized that I could actually pretty quickly repurpose that into

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, why, like, why did that work?

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Speaker 1: What is in the model without giving it away? Sure

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Speaker 4: The grand scheme of things. It's about just projecting the

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Speaker 4: And so you know, if you have five basketball players

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Speaker 4: And so you just you know, kind of make sure

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Speaker 1: Why would you even be comfortable putting money against that?

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Speaker 1: How long did it take you to figure out that

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Speaker 1: Simon, what do you think of that?

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Speaker 2: My man? Loves the gamble. He's a true gambler. He

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Speaker 2: just literally was like, you know what, I could take

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Speaker 1: Would you tail him based on what he just said?

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Speaker 2: Hell no, maybe in a couple of years, maybe after

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Speaker 2: two or three years of running the model? No, no, no.

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Speaker 4: No, these picks have been successful and they're in the

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Freeman is a prolific pick tracker. Freeman might have one

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Speaker 1: of the highest followings of anybody in the Action Network

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Speaker 4: It's over one hundred thousand. And by the way, you

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Speaker 4: guys need to give me my expert status back. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna peel back the curtains. Give me that expert status

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Speaker 4: back so I will be incentivized to make more picks

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Speaker 1: You know who you know who can do that, Matt Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Consider it about it right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've tried doing it for people.

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Speaker 3: I'll take Yeah, I'll take chance away and we'll give

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Speaker 2: IM get a pro pro subscription. While we're giving these

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Speaker 3: I'll be one nineteen ninety nine. Thanks man.

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Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell will take care of the pro scripscription. Matt

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Speaker 1: Mitchell will take the take care of Matt Freeman's UH

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Speaker 1: expert status in the Action Network ap uh. Simon, what

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Speaker 1: is the one sport that you will bet during the summer.

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Speaker 2: It's probably gonna shock you chat it's actually the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I'll do NBA playoffs, I'll do the finals, I'll do

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Speaker 2: March Madness. It's just it's a sport I do enjoy,

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Speaker 1: I do love your NBA fandom. It's really fun.

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Speaker 1: Mine would be golf. I don't think about golf, don't

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Speaker 1: for the advantages. Who's undervalued. He's got very specific theories

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Speaker 1: about form, about play on courses, about betting the top

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Speaker 1: And the guy has been on a streak like it's

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Speaker 1: So that's number one and number two the Major's pool

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Speaker 1: I do. I've mentioned this on the show. I've got

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Speaker 1: they are all avid golfers, avid golf followers, avid golf betters,

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Speaker 1: avid golf watchers. I have won, nobody won, Nobody had

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Speaker 1: Wyndam Clark except for Matt Mitchell, who should tell that

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Speaker 1: won for the past six major pools that we've done.

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Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, do you want to come out and tell

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Speaker 1: your Windom Clark story really fast?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I'd be having to. I try to get the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood involved. We've mentioned on the show before that when

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Speaker 3: the Bills win a playoff game, the whole block gets

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Speaker 3: everyone gets a pint of Ben and Jerry's out their choosing.

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Speaker 3: So I've gotten everyone to be Packer's first bill snack.

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Speaker 3: And now with big gambling windfalls, which happened typically outside

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Speaker 3: of football season, when I have no opinions, I will

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Speaker 3: let the stakes be known that if it's particularly large,

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Speaker 1: an invite only panel for ESPN Insiders. We're in Orlando.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about fantasy and sports betting. He's totally against

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Speaker 1: sports betting, doesn't even want it in the same sentence

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Speaker 1: as fantasy. I'm like, dude, there is no difference. The

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Speaker 1: only difference is like semantics. Today he is a betting

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Speaker 1: expert for NBC. Right, That is the difference in ten

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Speaker 1: years side hustle versus made hustle. Yeah, next question that

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Nice? You never agree with me, That's fantastic, Simon. You've

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Speaker 1: talked about tailing other people at action across other sports.

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Speaker 1: Who are some of the experts you trust most for

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Speaker 1: stuff that isn't football, oh man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Chad over Here has hired about thirty guys

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Speaker 2: to cover golf for us, but they're all pretty damn good.

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Speaker 2: So I would say you can't really go wrong with

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Speaker 2: any of the guys covering golf for the action, I

448
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Speaker 2: would say for the other random sports, Sean Kerner is

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Speaker 2: just money. Like he's great at player props, He's good

450
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Speaker 2: at baseball, He's really good at WNBA like the women's game.

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Speaker 2: Shawn's really talented at that. So I would say, if

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Speaker 2: I'm betting big money, I've made a decent amount off Sean,

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Speaker 2: no doubt. And then during the season again we do

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Speaker 2: this show every Sunday, I'm really betting Chris Raybond's plays too.

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Speaker 2: So during the season when we do our show chat

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Speaker 2: on Sunday morning, I'm putting bets in off what they're

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Speaker 2: giving me. Because I'm not a huge player prop guy, right,

458
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Speaker 2: I really like doing size and totals, but when people

459
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Speaker 2: give me any type of edge on a player prop,

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Speaker 2: I try to make the bets. My only issue of

461
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Speaker 2: player props is they limit me, right, Like, if you're

462
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Speaker 2: trying to better player prop, it's hard to get more

463
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Speaker 2: than one hundred dollars down, especially online a lot of

464
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Speaker 2: books just because they cut people off, right, they just

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Speaker 2: know that's a big edge, better than player pops, just

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Speaker 2: because it's different than spreading totals. So during the season,

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Speaker 2: I definitely definitely listen to the other guys. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where I know that Sean and

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Speaker 2: Chris have done the work and that's why I trust him,

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Speaker 2: where like sometimes some people can bullshit it, right, they

471
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Speaker 2: can get away with it for a year or two,

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Speaker 2: but they'll eventually get caught. Where I know those guys,

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Speaker 2: especially all the years we've worked together now, like they

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Speaker 2: put in the work. Hell, and we were in New

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Speaker 2: York for that whole weekend, Chad, I think Chris was

476
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Speaker 2: out parting every night, but he was there at nine

477
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Speaker 2: in the morning with his laptop open, busting his ass,

478
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Speaker 2: doing the numbers, doing the work. So again, you just

479
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Speaker 2: want to follow people that there can assistant and they

480
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Speaker 2: do it over a period of time, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to just dive in on something that's

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Speaker 2: just been doing been good for a month or two.

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Speaker 2: You want to really see what the longevi is of

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Speaker 2: their records. So to me, those are two guys I

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Speaker 2: really do trust that Action network.

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Speaker 1: Raybon and Crooner party hard, work harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, truth, they do.

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Speaker 1: Freeman is like that. Freeman is brilliant. Freeman is a

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Speaker 1: guy on player Props was so freaking good at action.

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Speaker 1: In his new role, he is going to crush it

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Speaker 1: and be just as good Freeman. Is there anybody your

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Speaker 1: tailing for non NFL sports?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate that, And so all second with Simon said,

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Speaker 4: Corner and Raybond are awesome at what they do. Sean

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Speaker 4: Zarrillo for MLB, He's someone that I think has been

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Speaker 4: pretty short for.

498
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Speaker 2: A long time.

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Speaker 4: And then, uh, you know Matt Moore for w NBA,

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Speaker 4: actually not not so much for NBA. Not like to

501
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Speaker 4: take anything away from him, but like the edge and

502
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Speaker 4: NBA is so much thinner than the edges in WNBAU.

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Speaker 4: And you know, he's a basketball expert across leagues, and

504
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Speaker 4: so whenever he has talked about stuff for WNBA, I

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Speaker 4: tend to pay attention to it.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Anderson NBA Futures and NBA alt lines. The guy

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Speaker 1: has such a feel for betting huge spreads in very

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Speaker 1: specific spots and he's great on NBA futures. Another one,

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Speaker 1: Please make a prediction about what NFL QB is most

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Speaker 1: likely to break your heart repeatedly this season. Chad says,

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Speaker 1: that's me, Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson. I will

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Speaker 1: be a sucker for all of them. Friedman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm approaching this conversation in two different ways.

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Speaker 4: So one is Desmond Ritterer. I like the Falcons and

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Speaker 4: I kind of view them as a bet on team

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Speaker 4: this year, And I can just imagine several scenarios in

517
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Speaker 4: which I'm on, you know, the right side, but Desmond

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Speaker 4: Ritter does something that you would expect out of a

519
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Speaker 4: kind of inexperienced second hit in your third round quarterback,

520
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Speaker 4: and he ends up costing me. And then on the

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Speaker 4: flip side, I view the Raiders and the Commanders as

522
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Speaker 4: terrible teams that people should be very desirous to line

523
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Speaker 4: up against and bet against all year long. But I

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Speaker 4: could see some sort of situation where somehow Jimmy g

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Speaker 4: is actually good and he covers more than I would expect,

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Speaker 4: and that Sam Howell, you know, plays like a latter

527
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Speaker 4: day Tim Tebow and like just runs around and somehow

528
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Speaker 4: covers spreads that shouldn't be covered and break my heart

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Speaker 4: that way. So those are the three Ritter, Jimmy g

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Speaker 4: and Howell Simon.

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Speaker 2: I merely though the three guys while are the biggest

532
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Speaker 2: future bets on so Stafford, I'm all of them the rams,

533
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Speaker 2: Like Chad knows all in on the Bear. So Justin

534
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Speaker 2: Field's way up there for him. Like Justin Fields has

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Speaker 2: a down year this year, I'm going to lose a

536
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Speaker 2: lot of money on futures, like I need him to

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Speaker 2: take that next step. The last one's gonna be Russell Wilson,

538
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Speaker 2: like I'm just all in on this Denver team in

539
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Speaker 2: the year after. I like being a year after everyone else. Right,

540
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Speaker 2: everyone was over the Denver last year. Now their value

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Speaker 2: is what it should be. Right Like last year they

542
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Speaker 2: probably should have been plus four to fifty plus five

543
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Speaker 2: hundred win their division. They weren't. They were like plus

544
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Speaker 2: two twenty five plus two fifty. That was too much.

545
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Speaker 2: Where this year it feels right. So my three quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: definitely Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, and Justin Fields, Like I'm

547
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Speaker 2: all in one those three guys.

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Speaker 1: I will make a bold prediction right now at some

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Speaker 1: point this year, Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Justin Field, Matt Stafford, Desmond Ritter, Sam Howell, and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: g will all break our hearts at some point. That

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Speaker 1: is an absolute given. Also, Friedman Brandon Cohen, also known

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Speaker 1: as BC, one of our product leads, promises you can

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Speaker 1: have your expert status back if you promise to begin

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Speaker 1: tracking picks again in the apps.

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Speaker 2: All you want.

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Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, Matt Mitchell, tell him it's done. I broke

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Speaker 1: her to deal right here. That's what I do.

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Speaker 3: Is spoken, So it is done.

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Speaker 1: So it is spoken, So it is done. You guys

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Speaker 1: have heard me talk about game Time so often on

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Speaker 1: recently mentioned and joined the psychedelic ayahuasca and noted it

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Speaker 1: did not harm his performance as an athlete. Could the

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Speaker 1: proper use of hallucinogens be the next phase in sports

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Speaker 1: or sports betting excellence? I don't think so. I think

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Speaker 1: the process will be widespread acceptance and adoption of marijuana first.

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Speaker 1: I think, like everything else, it's progress, and hallucinogens are

584
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden sort of the drug of the day.

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Speaker 1: There was just a story in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: about how in Silicon Valley so many executives are lead

587
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Speaker 1: into the use of psychedelics. I think twenty years ago

588
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Speaker 1: that would have been like, oh my god, these guys

589
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: are geniuses. I think today, given what we've seen about crypto,

590
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: about the tech industry, maybe everyone is not as smart

591
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: as we thought they were. But I do think it's

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Speaker 1: going to start with marijuana and eventually a generation from

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Speaker 1: now get to psychedelics. Freedman.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can barely be profitable with no drugs.

595
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Speaker 4: I think if I were using drugs that would destroy

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Speaker 4: my bankroll. So for me personally, I don't see it

597
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Speaker 4: as being the next wave of sports betting.

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Speaker 1: I am so nervous for what Simon has to say, A.

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Speaker 2: Couple of nerds, What a bunch of nerds. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: haven't been sober in about twenty years, So taking from

601
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Speaker 2: someone that is always smoking, loves the mushrooms, love magic mushrooms.

602
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Speaker 2: But it's all about moderation, picking your spots. I would

603
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Speaker 2: say the microdosing thing has blown up chat Like I know,

604
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Speaker 2: like the straightest people in the world that do that

605
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: shit now, which blows my mind. Like kids I wouldn't

606
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Speaker 2: even drink in high school now are like yeah, Like

607
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Speaker 2: I microdos to my wife and like I'm like, what

608
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Speaker 2: things are changing? So I would say I wouldn't recommend

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Speaker 2: it to people, but for me it's a nice reset,

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Speaker 2: Like if I have a really terrible week, maybe I'll

611
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Speaker 2: take the Monday off and go on a little trip,

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Speaker 2: you know, Chad, a little trip around the world. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those it's all about knowing yourself

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Speaker 2: and what you can and can't handle, because some people

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Speaker 2: can't handle it. I've seen that many of times. Some

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Speaker 2: people cannot handle the psychedelic So it's one of those

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Speaker 2: where I would not recommend it to people. But I'm

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Speaker 2: not shocked by especially when you just talk about Silicon

619
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Speaker 2: Valley guys. It's it's a known fact, known fact that

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Speaker 2: Steve Jobs came up with the iPhone when he was

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Speaker 2: on psychedelic drugs. So it is one of those things

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Speaker 2: where if you have an idea and you're stuck, some people,

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Speaker 2: it does help crack those ideas. In my line of work, Betty,

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Speaker 2: I don't recommend it like it's I've never made a

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Speaker 2: bet on any drug. Like I've never gotten smoked a

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Speaker 2: blunt and been like, all right now I'm gonna make

627
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Speaker 2: my bets. You're not out of a clear mind. You

628
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Speaker 2: want to do everything with a clear mind, but after

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Speaker 2: all the work is done, you want to take the

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Speaker 2: edge off, do your thing. But I'm with freem the

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Speaker 2: sense that it is so damn hard to win sports betting.

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Speaker 2: Do not nick drugs in like just because you if

633
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Speaker 2: you're doing drugs, you're like, oh that belt, that bet

634
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: feels so good and it feels like a smart bet.

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Speaker 2: It's not you're just on drugs. So I try to

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Speaker 2: tell people do the work sober and then have fun after.

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Speaker 2: So that that would definitely be my view on this

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Speaker 2: whole this whole situation.

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Speaker 1: Exactly the answer I expected from you. I in college,

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Speaker 1: all my friends were doing shrooms and they were like, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, it's not for you. Don't

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Speaker 1: even do it, don't try it. They thought I was honestly,

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Speaker 1: they thought I was already too optimistic and too happy.

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Speaker 2: That's like the Michael Scott line from the Office. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's even offered Michael Scott drugs because

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Speaker 2: you just you don't seem like you need it. I

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Speaker 2: feel like you're in the same boat. Chat.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's accurate. Listen, question, what can

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Speaker 1: we expect from the Favorites this season? Same schedule, same platforms,

650
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Speaker 1: Bigger and better than ever, no joke, I'm not even kidding.

651
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Speaker 1: So everyone knows that the premise for the show has

652
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Speaker 1: always been Simon and I are making five picks for

653
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Speaker 1: a contest, and we've got to come to a consensus

654
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Speaker 1: on the five picks we like the best, and we

655
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Speaker 1: generally have crushed it. Every single year years past, we've

656
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Speaker 1: been in a contest, a big money contest that we

657
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Speaker 1: can't mention on the show because it's never the contest

658
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Speaker 1: that is done by our sponsor. This year, we are

659
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Speaker 1: doing a contest with Bet three six five. Everyone will

660
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Speaker 1: be able to join. You can compete against me and

661
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Speaker 1: Simon for the for a best of five season long

662
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Speaker 1: pick them contest all season long. So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two.

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Speaker 1: We will have shows live Sunday Night in advance of

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Speaker 1: the Sunday Night football game. We'll preview Sunday Night Football.

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Speaker 1: Also we will get the review of Sunday and the

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Speaker 1: heartache and the pain and the joy of Sunday out

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Speaker 1: of the way on Sundays, usually in that seven thirty

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Speaker 1: to eight thirty window. It will be live on AMP

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Speaker 1: Live on YouTube. Then we will do our regular Tuesday

671
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Speaker 1: show where we start breaking down the full slate, and

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Speaker 1: then our Thursday show where we narrow it down. We

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Speaker 1: do our sort of favorite picks of the week. All

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Speaker 1: that's going on. The biggest news, I would say, be

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Speaker 1: on the lookout first Sunday night of the NFL season

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, somewhere in northern New Jersey, Simon and

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Speaker 1: I will be doing an in person show that first

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Speaker 1: Sunday live show in the seven thirty to eight thirty

679
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Speaker 1: window will be live in person in a space where

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Speaker 1: we can do the podcast and then watch the game

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Speaker 1: together again sponsored by that three six five.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just say, Chad, you have my word.

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Speaker 2: People if me and chat start five and oher that

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Speaker 2: week one and then we have that little party that

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Speaker 2: Sunday night. First round is on May.

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Speaker 1: First Round on Simon. If we go five and oh

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Speaker 1: for week one, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: You're not throwing Matt Mitchell's neighbors a party.

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Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell will throw Matt Mitchell's neighbors a party. I'm

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Speaker 1: skipping one of the questions here because I know Matt

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Speaker 1: Mitchell pretty soon is gonna tell me we gotta get going.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you had a if you had to drive a

694
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Speaker 1: big van of five NFL players across the country NonStop,

695
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Speaker 1: who are your five and why? I'll go first Kelsey Brothers.

696
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Speaker 1: Uh you know uh, Jason Kelsey is a huge music fan.

697
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Speaker 1: I feel like he would do a great job as

698
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Speaker 1: sort of the road trip DJ, and I think I

699
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Speaker 1: like his style of music. Patrick Mahomes Uh the guy

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Speaker 1: drink Corzlite like water.

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Speaker 3: In that.

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Speaker 1: Golf tournament with Tom Brady and Rogers and Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: he just leaving like a baller. Joe Burrow, It's too

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Speaker 1: cool Von Miller because I think he would say all

705
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Speaker 1: the interesting shit. And I'd also bring Mike McDaniel because

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Speaker 1: talk about having a good time, Simon, he would bring

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Speaker 1: the good time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is an interesting thought experiment. I think it's

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Speaker 4: more important to identify the players you don't want to

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Speaker 4: bring than the players you do want to bring. Like

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Speaker 4: I don't want any divas, so like wide receivers and

712
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Speaker 4: cornerbacks like they are out. But if I had to

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Speaker 4: identify people actually to bring, I'm with you, I would

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Speaker 4: go with Kelsey. I would go with Travis Kelcey Wan

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Speaker 4: Kelsey brothers enough. I feel like if you had two

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Speaker 4: of them in the band together, they would get each

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Speaker 4: other riled up. So I want like that Kelsey Aura,

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Speaker 4: but I don't want it amplified, so want Kelsey. I

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Speaker 4: would have Kittle. This is cheating a little bit, but

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Speaker 4: I would have Marshaun Lynch. I still think of him

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Speaker 4: as an NFL player versus a retired NFL player, and

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Speaker 4: I feel like the vibe he would bring would be

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Speaker 4: very good with you, Mahomes, I think he would be

724
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Speaker 4: like an all around jokester. And then Jalen Hurts like

725
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Speaker 4: I feel like he would bring a little bit of

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Speaker 4: like solemnity to the proceedings, like in a good way,

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Speaker 4: like whenever you need just a little like someone just

728
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Speaker 4: bring it down a little bit. I feel like you

729
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Speaker 4: would help do that. Like he's the guy who brings

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Speaker 4: a literal briefcase to work every day, so I feel

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Speaker 4: like he has a sense of humor about him, but

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Speaker 4: also a certain type of seriousness. And then you had

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Speaker 4: a head coach. I will go with the head coach

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Speaker 4: as well. I would bring Andy Reid because I feel

735
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Speaker 4: like that dude has some stories and he could he

736
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Speaker 4: could cut up for the entire ride.

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Speaker 1: I think, and he reads a good choice too. Simon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my first my first pig right away was Ricky Williams.

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Speaker 2: I've always loved Ricky He's actually now in like kind

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Speaker 2: of the social media world where he does his own

741
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Speaker 2: shows and he gives like horror scorpes, like he tells

742
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Speaker 2: people like their signs and all this other crap. I

743
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Speaker 2: don't care about any of that. I just want to

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Speaker 2: hear old stories from Ricky, Like that guy has lived

745
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: a crazy life. You know, he's gotta have some good stories.

746
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Speaker 2: I'm with chat about the Kelchier brothers. I gotta go

747
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: with both of them, Like Jason just seems like he's hilarious.

748
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Travis seems like he's funniest hell too, So I like

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Speaker 2: both those picks. Mahomes is Kenny Powers, Like I don't

750
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Speaker 2: know if you ever seen that clip of they do

751
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Speaker 2: Mahomes's voice dubbed over Kenny Powers. They literally sound the

752
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Speaker 2: exact same and they talk the same, like I really

753
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Speaker 2: my companion, So that would be a good one. Mahomes,

754
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Speaker 2: He's just a character. This is actually an Eagles guy

755
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: though you probably never really like seem talk much, but

756
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Speaker 2: he's probably one of the funniest guys in the entire league.

757
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: Brandon Graham, Like he is hilarious. If you have time,

758
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Speaker 2: go YouTube Brandon Graham talking shit. He is one of

759
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: the funniest guys in football, just smack talking and just

760
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: in life like he's very happy, go lucky. And I

761
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Speaker 2: feel like if you're doing a road trip, you always

762
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Speaker 2: need that one happy, go lucky guy because there's gonna

763
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Speaker 2: be dark days, right, There's gonna be days you're gonna

764
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: wake up, you're gonna taste the night before, and you

765
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: gotta drive about twelve hours on the road. You need

766
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Speaker 2: that person to keep you in the car. Entertained for

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Speaker 2: my last one, another Homer pick. I gotta go with Hurts.

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Speaker 2: I would just love to chill Hertz talk with him.

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Speaker 2: He just seems like he's so deep, He's so knowledgeable

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Speaker 2: about life and motivation. He just seems like a good

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Speaker 2: dude to hang out with. So shocked to know. And

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Speaker 2: I have three Eagles and then my five guys. I

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Speaker 2: drive across country with Hey A couple of things.

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Speaker 4: A couple of things. The Ricky Williams pick, I'm envious

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Speaker 4: of that pick. Great pick there. If I had to

776
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Speaker 4: think of a player that I would sub in, I

777
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Speaker 4: would maybe do Justin Tucker because I feel like he

778
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Speaker 4: would be like Ry. He would have that kind of

779
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 4: like dry wit where like everyone else has senses of

780
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Speaker 4: humor that are kind of more aligned. He would sort

781
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Speaker 4: of be like the assassin who comes in with like

782
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Speaker 4: a really sharp quip that everyone is just like, oh,

783
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Speaker 4: did you hear that? So I don't know why. I

784
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Speaker 4: just feel like he would be He would be someone

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Speaker 4: who would like add a different angle to the proceedings

786
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Speaker 4: but still be really hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Great Ricky Williams story when I was tern chief of that.

788
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Speaker 1: When I was edtern chief of the magazine, he's been

789
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Speaker 1: in the magazine was the Niners Ravens super Bowl in

790
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, and Ricky Williams at this time had retired.

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Speaker 1: His last team was the Ravens, and he had recently

792
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Speaker 1: retired and he had started working as a photographer. So

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Speaker 1: we hired Ricky Williams to shoot from the sidelines the

794
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Speaker 1: super Bowl, including his old teammates the Ravens, and that

795
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Speaker 1: Friday night we had a big dinner in New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: a team dinner, and Ricky Williams joined us because he

797
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Speaker 1: was working for us that weekend, and my wife happened

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Speaker 1: to be at the Super Bowl in New Orleans, the

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Speaker 1: only super Bowl she ever came to. We have the

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Speaker 1: twenty five I've been to. It's the only one she

801
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Speaker 1: ever went to. And we were all having dinner in it. Now.

802
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Speaker 1: I happened to be at the end of the table

803
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Speaker 1: with my wife Stacy and Ricky, and Stacy's not a

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Speaker 1: sports fan. She has no idea who Ricky Williams is,

805
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: and so she starts talking to Ricky about being a photographer,

806
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and then it comes out that he had played football.

807
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: She's like, Oh my god, that's so cool. Where did

808
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: you play? Were you any good? She didn't know he

809
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: had won a Heisman, she didn't know he had run

810
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: for more yards than anybody at Texas That she didn't

811
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Speaker 1: know the dickest story, right, And so he was so

812
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: charmed because he could just be Ricky Williams. And the

813
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: person he was talking to was not enamored with him

814
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: because of football. She just thought he was a really cool,

815
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: nice guy who had really great stories to tell and

816
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: a really interesting point of view. It was so fun

817
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: to sit with him that night. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I heard the man.

819
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Speaker 1: He's great, He's really great. We probably got to go faster. Simon,

820
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Speaker 1: can you describe the specific NFL prep you do between

821
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Speaker 1: now July and Week one to prepare for the upcoming

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Speaker 1: NFL season.

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Speaker 2: I'm done at to this point, Like right now, I

824
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: did everything basically, if we went through, i'd give you

825
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: all my projections for every team pretty much like I've

826
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: already done the whole entire season, each week, went through

827
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Speaker 2: each week, I have each matchup, and then basically once

828
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Speaker 2: training camp starts. That's why I can start updating stuff

829
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Speaker 2: because there's a bunch of new teams. Right if you

830
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: have a new coach, that's a new scheme for the

831
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: offense vice versa. If it's a new quarterback and a

832
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: new scheme. And then defensively, it's a big deal when

833
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: different coordinators come in. I mean, is I think Vic

834
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Vangio did he go to Miami? I know he went

835
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Speaker 2: somewhere where It's like that's a big deal. Like Miami

836
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: now is getting one of the best defensive coordinators in

837
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: all football history, and they have a crazy good defense,

838
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: Like if you look at their defense on paper, they

839
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: have a ton of talent. So right now, that's going

840
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: to be an update once I see what scheme's gonna

841
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: run with that Miami defense, Because say, right now, I've

842
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: heard them projected as a top five defense. Once I

843
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: see their scheme, I start getting some numbers behind it,

844
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: I'd easily can bump them up to a top three defense.

845
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: So that's kind of thing where I'll make adjustments right

846
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: once training camp starts and I can start seeing these

847
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: different packages, and the beat writers are key, like I'm

848
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: that's my biggest advantage I think for everyone that does

849
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: social media is you get such good intel from these

850
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: beat writers. They're just they're locked in on certain teams.

851
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: So to me, that's a big big deal to me.

852
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Over August, especially where July, I'm tinkering with stuff, Chad,

853
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: but it's kind of a dead period this time of year,

854
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: just because I feel like most better is the same way,

855
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: like once the draft happens, then you're just waiting for

856
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: the schedule release, and then all of a sudden, it's

857
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: like you're literally running through the whole season, Like it's

858
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: just you're just so excited you can't help but do

859
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: the work. And then I just do all the work,

860
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, July comes, I got nothing

861
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: to do. So this is a little bit of a

862
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: dead period before August, which is once August starts, like

863
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: that's where it's just never ending. There's never enough information,

864
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: like there's never enough work to be done. I try

865
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: to enjoy this period, but Chad knows I'm obsessed with football,

866
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: so it's like this is the longest month of the

867
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: year for me. It really is because it's so close

868
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: to football, and I can talk football for days at

869
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: this point because it's like preseason is the best because

870
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: you can have on here talking about just the fields

871
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: as the top ten quarterback, I can't shit on it

872
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 2: because it's projecting out. We're all having fun projecting futures here.

873
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: So that's why I just love this time of year.

874
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: It's just fill with so much hope before your team's

875
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: zero and three in Week three and you're just like,

876
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: I fucking hate this sport. So I definitely enjoy this

877
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: time of year. It's just so much fun getting into football,

878
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: especially the way it is our job now, right Chad,

879
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: just as ports betting has grown, it becomes so cool

880
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: knowing how many people listen to what we say and

881
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: taking advantage of what the information we're giving out. Like again,

882
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: we were giving out jaguar As nine to one at

883
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: this point last year win their division. There was only

884
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: maybe fifty Brave Souls out there that took that bet

885
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: with us, and that's what I love that there's people

886
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: out there that trust us and know we're doing the work.

887
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: So this time here a little bit of a dead period,

888
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: but once August starts, you know, July twenty fifth, I

889
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: think most teams are fully reported by July twenty fifth.

890
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: That's when it's all day every day reading beat writers,

891
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: trying to get information on each team, just because it's

892
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: so important to know what schemes teams are running, because

893
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe the Chad. There's just different weeks, there's

894
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 2: different scheme beat scheme, Like, it doesn't matter what kind

895
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: of players each side of the ball has, it's all

896
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: about what scheme matches up against other teams scheme. That's

897
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: why I talk all the time. Belichick is one of

898
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: the greatest coaches ever, just because every week he runs

899
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: a new scheme and not many coaches can do that.

900
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: So definitely enjoy this final month, but I'm ready for August.

901
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: Simon, I agree. I agree with almost everything he's had there.

902
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: The one a dendum I would add is that you

903
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: can shit on anything that Chad Milman says at any

904
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 4: time of the year. I'm going to be pretty insistent

905
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: on that.

906
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: Know what, that's accurate. I think that's generally the consensus. Yesterday,

907
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: there's a new person working in HR in action and

908
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: three different people told her to dismiss everything I say,

909
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: and all three of the people work for me. Here

910
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: we go, Russell Wilson. Question, as promised, what should we

911
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: expect from the rest of his career? How is he

912
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: going to be remembered? Does he have a camp? Here's

913
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: my prediction. He will go to the Hall of Fame.

914
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: He won a Super Bowl, got to another one, lost

915
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: it not because of his fault, bad play calling, so

916
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: many clutch performances, two way threat only player with thirty

917
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: five thousand passing yards and forty five hundred rush yards.

918
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: I texted my buddy Seth Wickersham. You know, one of

919
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: the most prominent sports writers covering the NFL for ESPN.

920
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: He's been on the podcast. Great best selling book about

921
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots is Better to Be Feared?

922
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Pick it up.

923
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: Here's from Seth. He's a mix of Boomer Assissin and

924
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner in terms of career, with Boomer really good

925
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: but not one of the clearly best of his era.

926
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Like Warner and that he had high peaks and low lows,

927
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: although Warner had higher peaks and lower lows, was not

928
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: convinced he was a Hall of Famer unless he has

929
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: sort of a couple of Warner like peaks.

930
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: Freedman, Yeah, I agree with a lot of what Wickersham said.

931
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. At no

932
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: point has he ever been like the best quarterback in

933
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: the league or even like a top two maybe a

934
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: top three quarterback. There have always been other guys better

935
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: than him among his peers. So I feel like if

936
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: he was going to get there, it had to be

937
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: a longevity argument like Breeze, like he would have an

938
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: extended run where he's not great, but he's good enough

939
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 4: and he can pile stats that push him over the top.

940
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: But based on what we saw last year, I'm kind

941
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: of skeptical he actually ends up having that long tail.

942
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a Hall of famer.

943
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: Ban Yeah, definitely an incredible career. I mean it's a

944
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: kid that you know, played four years NC State, transfer

945
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: of fifth year to what was that Wisconsin, and yeah,

946
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: you know that was one of those deals where when

947
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: he came out, I don't think anyone projected him to

948
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: do what he's done in his career. Where I not

949
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: that I give him too much weight for that first

950
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl because to me, that was just arguably one

951
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: of the greatest defenses ever and you had more Shawn

952
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: Lynch like it really was Russell Wilson, don't screw this

953
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: up and will win a super Bowl. And the one

954
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: time he did screw up, they didn't win the Super Bowl,

955
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: So that I will definitely always hold that against him

956
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: because everything you hear that's just pure ego, Like that

957
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: whole Super Bowl, every guy from that defense, they could

958
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: not wait the bad mouth him chat when he left

959
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: that Seahawks team, And I think that is a stain

960
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: where a lot of these beat writers are the ones

961
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: that are going to vote for him. There's gotta be

962
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: more to it there. There has to be so much

963
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: to it where Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay. If you

964
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: heard a peep at a Green Bay shitting on Aaron

965
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: Rodgers chat, no, I had not really like it. That's

966
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: kind of how it is, where it's like, yeah, Aaron

967
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: Rodgers might have been an asshole, he might have been

968
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: full of himself, but he was never above the team,

969
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: and it seems like Russell Wilson towards the end there

970
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: thought he was above the team, right, You really really

971
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: let his ego get to himself. So if he can have,

972
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: you know, another good run like kur Warner had that

973
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: one more run with that Arizona team, if he can

974
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: find something like that with Denver, I do think he'd

975
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: get into the Hall of Fame. If he doesn't, I'm

976
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: with Freeman, like the guy never finished Top three and

977
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: MVP voting his entire career. Again, I give him so

978
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: much respect because he was a fifth year player in

979
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 2: college and he came out whatever, he was a third

980
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: fourth round pick, and he was just incredible. Like his

981
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: skill set was so revolutionary for what we've seen now

982
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: in football, right that quarterback of get them outside the pocket,

983
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: let them create with either their legs or taking the

984
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: ball deep. It was just a big transition of football.

985
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: So I do think for football he was a big

986
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: deal because he's kind of set the stage here for

987
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: all these guys Lamar Jackson's of the world. Again, people

988
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: want to credit them like vic Vick really never did

989
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: much with his town when Russell Wilson did, so I

990
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: think he was an opening to what we see now

991
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Like he changed football for the better.

992
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: But a Hall of Famer, Chad, that's just such a

993
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: big ask for Well, we talk all the time, this

994
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: is the golden era of quarterbacks, Like, there's just so

995
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: many better quarterbacks over these last twenty years. So I

996
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: can't put him in. It hurts the said, I just

997
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: can't put him in at this point. But if he

998
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: makes another run, doesn't he need to win Super Bowl?

999
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: Just get back there. I gotta give it to him

1000
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: making three super Bowls in his career. He's obviously very

1001
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: talented players, so he just needs to make one more run.

1002
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: I can see him getting in the Hall of Fame.

1003
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm projecting, Like I'm projecting with Sean

1004
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Payton and a stellar defense, at some point in the

1005
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: next two to three years, he makes that one final run.

1006
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: Because that's it, right, we all agree that's the window.

1007
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: Like he's got two or three years left and then

1008
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: it's over.

1009
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly you know what, Simon. As we know

1010
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: and as people will hear on the podcast next week,

1011
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: I can see into the future. My vision, my field

1012
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: division is so big that I am willing to take

1013
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: a risk and go out on a limb based on

1014
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: what I am projecting, not just what I've seen in

1015
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: the past.

1016
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: He was more humble you are, Russell Wilson, mister unlimited.

1017
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: See I was gonna go after Friedman and you came

1018
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: after me. Listen last question. It's been discussed many times

1019
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: in the podcast. My eating habits have been discussed. We

1020
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: all know that I eat weird, old man bird foods.

1021
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: Even my kids make fun of me for the bird

1022
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: food that I eat. Simon eats like a normal thirty

1023
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: something bachelor who lives as if he doesn't have a

1024
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: care in the world. Any foods we both can enjoy,

1025
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: and this is true. I will read to you a

1026
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: Slack message I recently sent to Matt Mitchell of what

1027
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: I would need in my rider when we do our

1028
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: live event in New Jersey the first Sunday of NFL season.

1029
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: I need unsalted roasted cashews, lesser evil popcorns. I like

1030
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: it cooked in the coconut oil, not the seed oil.

1031
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: All natural peanut butter, honey, crisp apples, burl app and

1032
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: barrel cinnamon. It's a very specific cinnamon. I need oranges.

1033
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: I need classe, azuol tequila, the big ice cubes, eighty

1034
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: five percent cacao, chocolate bars, Perrier or Pellegrinos bar, loose leaf,

1035
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: earl gray tea if it's afternoon, Illy espresso if it's

1036
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: before noon, along with the espresso maker or teapot whatever.

1037
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: I need some jigante beans in a light tomato sauce

1038
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: for a snack. I also like France a Franchi della

1039
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: cat olive oil. Simon, you can pick anything from that menu.

1040
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: I got to be left off Chad. It popped in

1041
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: my head, what one thing we love together? We both

1042
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: love chocolate. I love chocolate, and I send my guy here, Chad,

1043
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: the best chocolate in your Charlotte's chocolate. I think Chad

1044
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: ate the whole bag in one.

1045
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: Night, which by myself blew my mind.

1046
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: So I would say, chocolate pretzels. Me and Chad see

1047
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: eye to eye and chocolate pretzels. We could.

1048
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: We could definitely do that, Friedman. Can we see eye

1049
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: to eye on anything? We can't? Usually?

1050
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess who says no to chocolate, big

1051
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: ice cubes, honey, Chris bathols. That's good, those are good,

1052
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 4: But like, where's the Where's the beef, you know, like,

1053
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: put some meat in there. Get some meat.

1054
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: Are you kids?

1055
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 2: This guy? I think he eats meat.

1056
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't eat if What is the matter with you?

1057
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm saving the environment. Every day someone doesn't eat meat

1058
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: is a better day for the world.

1059
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm literally gonna be dead in ten years. I eat

1060
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: bacon like every day, which is apparently the worst thing

1061
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: you can eat.

1062
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: But you know what the difference is, I eat like

1063
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to be superhuman and live forever. You're microdosin

1064
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: getting high and eating bacon. Guess who's going to live

1065
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: to a riper old age.

1066
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: Probably I got twenty years on you.

1067
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm saying, all right. As a reminder, the

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