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Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Good afternoon everyone. I want to thank everybody

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Speaker 8: This is a live taping. What we're gonna do tonight

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Speaker 7: Let's pay attention.

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Speaker 1: So let's say to Georgia, Tennessee State, that's one person

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Speaker 6: was in reference to doctor Umar's opinion about Dion Sanders

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Speaker 7: Sure.

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Speaker 1: First, I want to say that I have tremendous respect

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Speaker 6: Hold on before you go, because I know you got

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Speaker 1: I believe he had a strong chance of being able

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Speaker 1: We can not necessarily because we have to see it

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Speaker 1: The HBCU is responsible for more than fifty percent of

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Speaker 6: So but at one point, new well, let me finish

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Speaker 1: So therefore you come to this HBCU. You see the

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Speaker 8: But that's irrelevant to me. I don't care about athletes,

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Speaker 8: I care about blacks. As a coach, you don't think

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Speaker 1: He may. I don't know what the future holds, but

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Speaker 6: Is sports athletics a portal or a porter to power?

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Speaker 1: How is it a ported to pottle? In less than

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Speaker 1: So Dion's saying this bragging the other day that gained

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Speaker 6: What did that do for us? I heard?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I understand that, but I think it's I

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Speaker 1: No, my life is for the people. Everything I do

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Speaker 6: All right, I understand. And you know we're gonna have

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Speaker 6: We're not. The claps don't make us right or wrong.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 6: What we have to focus on is the truth. You're

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Speaker 1: I probably won't go home once the school open.

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Speaker 8: Before it opens, you will take the money from your

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Speaker 6: The school, I have all of it just about. See,

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Speaker 1: Yes, but yourself does not take precedence over the people.

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Speaker 1: It is not about personal achievements. So you don't whing

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Speaker 1: That's where we have to go. Chinese the race come first,

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Speaker 6: Hey, y'all, y'all have money. Man, y'all are so buddy,

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Speaker 6: and you know that. You know they were gonna do

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Speaker 6: This is why I brought you though.

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Speaker 8: Umar because again, the way you speak, I think you're

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Speaker 6: But again, I want us to hammer this point down.

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Speaker 1: A school, I have a life outside of the school.

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Speaker 1: But I don't have a life outside of the mission.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing I do on a daily basis that isn't

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Give me something.

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Speaker 6: I don't know your daily you give me your daily routines.

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Speaker 6: I don't know's I find that. I mean, I'm at

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Speaker 1: the phone with another mom. I'm trying to help us

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00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: save her son. People call me two three o'clock in

440
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: the morning with mental health and educational emergencies, you understand.

441
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that I am the most devout

442
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: black man on the planet. I'm just saying, if it

443
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: ain't me, I don't know who it is.

444
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 6: All right, so back, just get back to da because

445
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 6: you popping some you popping it right, then let's get

446
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 6: back to du So. So in all extraity did with Dion.

447
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 6: I feel as though when I look at even people

448
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 6: like business doesn't have moral clause in it, right.

449
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: So no, European business doesn't happen.

450
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 6: And that's what the that's what the college is, all right,

451
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 6: Ain't that the europe instructure?

452
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: Okay?

453
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 8: All right, so we're speaking about the again, situational awareness.

454
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 6: You cannot ignore the facts.

455
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 8: Dion is inside of a structure and a system that

456
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 8: he has to play a certain game the same way

457
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 8: you do.

458
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: So Dion had to lead Jackson to go to all

459
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: white Colorado because he's in the system.

460
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, Dion, I believe Deon to be chasing a dream.

461
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 8: I believe Dean to be chasing the position for him,

462
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 8: his family and then the mission. I believe the mission

463
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 8: is still in the cow with Dion. Sometimes when I

464
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 8: hear you talk about the mission.

465
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: For him and saving kids at an all white school,

466
00:24:51,760 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: who he's saving? Black up there? Who Dion saving? They

467
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: at the University of Colorado?

468
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 6: You's saving children? Though his son did it?

469
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Go?

470
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 6: Who's son? Hey, did you save your daughter?

471
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: Of course I ain't.

472
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 6: I don't like hold on not that on one said,

473
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 6: you keep on what I think. Listen, it comes off

474
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 6: disingenuous for me when you try to act like I'm

475
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 6: gonna put y'all in front of me and mine. I

476
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 6: got to save me and mine. He got his son

477
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 6: with it. Sanders was broken poor in the hood, No,

478
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 6: not at all. Okay, but my mission ain't accomplished. You

479
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 6: ain't broken poor, but your mission ain't accomplished. Okay.

480
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 8: So every day we wake up, we go towards the How.

481
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 6: Is his mission tied to the white college? His mission

482
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 6: is tied to success and results? Looking at it for

483
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 6: him family, his family?

484
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: What about the community?

485
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 6: Again, that's still on the agenda.

486
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: But if at all white school, where is the community

487
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: on the agenda? Where is the black community on the

488
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: agenda at Boulder, Colorado?

489
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Speaker 8: So what I did, if I'm deon Sanders, I come

490
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 8: in to Jackson State and lay a blueprint, I break

491
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Speaker 8: a mold.

492
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 6: I do something that's never been done before you.

493
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: That was me.

494
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: That's what you just spoke to.

495
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 6: You spoke to him, bringing all this revenue, bringing these

496
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 6: here for how long that's that's that's not what we're

497
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 6: speaking No, it is what we're speaking up Okay, because

498
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 6: it shows a lack of commitment. No, No, here's the

499
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 6: opportunity called.

500
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: You know what the bigger issue is in go ahead?

501
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: What do we value more building systems of success for

502
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: young black children or being accepted by white people. That's

503
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: what this is about. Be out with the Colorado not

504
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: for the money, because he wanted to prove the white

505
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: people he could coach white children.

506
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 6: That that's not right.

507
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Look at all them.

508
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 6: Look look, oh it is right. Look look look do

509
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 6: y'all y'all a celebrities? So was that that game last week?

510
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 6: Did y'all see him flying all the way to Boulder, Colorado?

511
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: Why they don't come to Tennessee State like that for

512
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: your homecoming? Why ain't not at Howard like that? Why

513
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: ain't not of South Carolina State?

514
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 6: You know why? Because it was a white school.

515
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: It's the same reason why entertainers will go to the

516
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Grammys and go to the AMA's, but they'll start fights

517
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: at the Source.

518
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 6: Awards and the bets.

519
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Because we value white people, We want to be accepted

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: by white people.

521
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 6: Dion wanted white.

522
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: People to know he could coach at a white school.

523
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Speaker 6: I think this is miscategorization, mister doctor.

524
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Speaker 2: No.

525
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 8: I think what I think what what Dion wanted was

526
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 8: to show that he can be successful in collegiate sports.

527
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 8: He could have decoated, I think because that well, he

528
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 8: did it in Jackson.

529
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Speaker 1: This is the point I'm two years was it.

530
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did it, and he did it. He did it.

531
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Speaker 6: So what I'm saying is, though.

532
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: Brother, come on, he used them to get seen known

533
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: to go to a white college. And you know what

534
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I think, y'all, I believe the white power structure sat down,

535
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: had a meeting and said, we gotta put an into this.

536
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: If we let Dion Staya Jackson, if he started pulling

537
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: and read and Randall Cunningham and all these x wore,

538
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: all these x NFL breaks for these HBCUs, they gonna

539
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: steal our money. This is a billion dollar empire. We

540
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: cannot afford for the HBCU to steal all the top

541
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: tier athletes because there will be a reversal of power

542
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: in D one sports.

543
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 6: This is what they said.

544
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: We know Dion ain't the loyal type to the black

545
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: community because he the one who also criticized Colin Kaepernick

546
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: for taking a knee.

547
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 6: So you know what we're gonna do.

548
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the whitest school in the country to

549
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: offer him some money to come feach STEM because he

550
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: could have went someone they weren't making a statement. Dion

551
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: was sent to Colorado to make a statement that every

552
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: one of them minja's got a price, find his and

553
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: pay them off.

554
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 6: You know what I think? I think? And they listen,

555
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 6: see them facing you see look y'all, y'all, y'all feel him.

556
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 6: Listen when he sit back and do you like it? Bro?

557
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 6: When he sit back and do you like this? Right here?

558
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: He kicking the highest game. He get kicked right there

559
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: as high as he can get. Boy. But it's it's effective. Listen.

560
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 6: I think what I what I believe is that in

561
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: college sports, we have to be effective to get higher,

562
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 6: to do certain things. Just like you, I'm still wanting

563
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 6: I want you to look at it through your lens

564
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: and the things you've been able to do and how

565
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 6: you had to exit certain routes. You had black people

566
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 6: come and try to fix your school up, and you

567
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 6: had an issue with that. Sometimes the power structure calls

568
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 6: for us to need a handoff. Need an assist, need

569
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 6: something to better black contractors. Scheming and scamming ain't.

570
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Got nothing to do with Dion running to one point, Well,

571
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: this is why I'm saying Colorado.

572
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 8: So here here, let's let's wrap that around HBCUs and

573
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 8: business in general, not HBCUs, but business in general has

574
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 8: no moral clause.

575
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I disagree with that.

576
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 6: Tell me you European standpoint, Yes, we ain't. Europeans. Our

577
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 6: business always have a clause not to have access to power.

578
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 8: What business or industry do we even control the two

579
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 8: trillion dollar people?

580
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 6: What business or industry?

581
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: The problem?

582
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 6: We can't. So his access to go for the white

583
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 6: this access to power will goes through go to Colorado,

584
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 6: goes through the power structure.

585
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: All this money d I making for them, by the

586
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: time he's done, he would have made far more for

587
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: them if he earned from them. Not only that, God.

588
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: Forbid everything if he ever begin.

589
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: But the point is he shouldn't even be in that

590
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: position because you had to chance to restructure an entire

591
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: HPCU athletics system permanently and you sold it out for

592
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: money to go to a white college. That's the facts

593
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: of the situation.

594
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 6: Disagree with that.

595
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: It's the facts. It's undisputable. That's what he did. That's no,

596
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: he's not still at Jackson.

597
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 6: He's not at Jackson because he had an opportunity, called

598
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: an opportunity to go teach, to coach at a white school. No,

599
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 6: to showcase his skills in a different level.

600
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: We don't know what Dianna is capable of.

601
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 6: No, not in college. Not listen, not not again.

602
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 8: You have to coach in these different markets the same way.

603
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 6: You gotta go speak in different markets, same way I

604
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 6: gotta put. I don't count their minds. It ain't about compromises.

605
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 6: It's about results. I keep telling you, I'm showing up

606
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 6: to show out. I ain't showing enough to do that

607
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 6: other results for who for my for my stat sheet,

608
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 6: for what I've been able to do. Yeah.

609
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: So, if he's trying to turn black people to a

610
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: permanent underclass and you talk about stat sets, burn the

611
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: damn stat sheets.

612
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 6: Naw you need that, don ma. If that's the case,

613
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 6: you would you would sleep in the moth room at you.

614
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I will be I don't think you know what I'm saying.

615
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 8: Once I these are future plans, but this dude here

616
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 8: is working now. I'm telling you if you believe what

617
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 8: If you'll believe what you're telling me, you will walk

618
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 8: in that school and say, damn it with the house,

619
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 8: damn it with the car.

620
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 6: Until this school get up and rolling. Oohman, don't got nothing.

621
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: Well, I agree whatever, alright, So I'm that's that's my point.

622
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: You can't compare my commitment to the black community to

623
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Dion's because he has yet to show it.

624
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 6: You don't think he's saving children doing what being the motivation.

625
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 8: Continue, I erect my case. I'll show you don't think

626
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 8: motivation is necessary.

627
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Brother, to whom much is given, much is required. You're

628
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: telling that to me, and I got a lot. Dion

629
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: has a lot. Yeah, So for you to tell me

630
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: that he's somehow benefiting black children because they see him

631
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: winning at a white college, that's the same argument Obama

632
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: maniac's me when Barak was in a white house.

633
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 6: And Nigro said just him being there was a benefit

634
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 6: to black people.

635
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Only problem with that it didn't play out in the statistics.

636
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: High school graduation didn't go up, crime didn't go down.

637
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: You understand, we didn't do better on a single index

638
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: in this country as a result of Obama being in

639
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: the White House. So now you're giving me Dionna the

640
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: white football field, Barack Obama, and a white man's house.

641
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 6: Listen, they're clapping for nothing. They're clapping for nothing. No,

642
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 6: they clapping for the truth.

643
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 8: They're clapping for nothing. It's and it's it's hard. It's

644
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 8: hard because you're not even getting through it.

645
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: And they're clapping. So I know they're clapping for them.

646
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: They hearing me, but but more than hearing me, they

647
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: failed me.

648
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, they feel you. I feel you. I believe you to.

649
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 6: I believe you to be the truth, like I always say,

650
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: But I'm telling you that I believe you not to

651
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 6: believe what you're saying. I don't believe that you truly believe.

652
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 8: That someone should put every thing they have into the mission.

653
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't see you doing that any way

654
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: we went. I don't see you doing it, though you don't.

655
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: See me doing it. No, Okay, show me another psychologist

656
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: who has done more to change the way black parents

657
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: deal with the mental health and school system in this country.

658
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 6: I haven't seen it. I know what you do.

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Speaker 8: And for the second conversation, let me push back. For

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Speaker 8: the second conversation, I will push back. Where's the results,

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Speaker 8: Show me some numbers, show me something tangible I can

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Speaker 8: look at.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: every parent I've ever saved and should I help email

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Speaker 1: you directly and that and then you can take it

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Speaker 1: from there, marn bro.

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Speaker 6: All right, and I'll definitely have it. I'll pull it

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Speaker 6: up on the on the interview.

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Speaker 1: Black you see, and here's the power yesterday, black power today,

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Speaker 1: and black power to all. But most of all, most

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Speaker 1: of all Black queens for happen, No buddies never.

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Speaker 6: Y'all getting doctor Mr Johnson in renform. Tonight y'all getting

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Speaker 6: doctor Lumart Johnston in renform. So so how far? How

674
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Speaker 6: far are you willing to go for your children?

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Speaker 1: As far as the mission required. See, here's the thing.

676
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Speaker 1: We have different value systems, right, and the problem with

677
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Speaker 1: black people is we operate on a platform of selfishness

678
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Speaker 1: and individual agenda. Every other group, the culture comes first.

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Speaker 1: The culture comes first. Could you imagine if Dion Sanders

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Speaker 1: was at a historically Mexican college and he got an

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Speaker 1: offer to go to Boulder, Colorado and turn his back

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Speaker 1: on the Mexican students at the Mexican college on the

683
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Speaker 1: Mexican football team. He would have never done.

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Speaker 6: Why is this looked at like turning you back? I

685
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Speaker 6: just he took a job.

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Speaker 1: Because he did he had a chance to make a structural, systemic,

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Speaker 1: historic change and the benefit of so you believe you.

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Speaker 8: You believe that they would have let him make that change.

689
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Speaker 8: But you don't believe that we have that access to

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Speaker 8: any power. But he could have made that change, single access.

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Speaker 1: The power at Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 6: No, it's not a finished product. This is when I'm

693
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Speaker 6: scared what like? But we don't know.

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Speaker 8: But he's on the journey the same way has the

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Speaker 8: white I find Here's.

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Speaker 6: The thing I find disingenuous. You were someone that started

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Speaker 6: a school. You went through criticism every move you and

698
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Speaker 6: here so I'm here's another black man.

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Speaker 1: I'm building a black school. He had a white college.

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Speaker 1: How you comparing them? Listen, hit, I know Deonces had

701
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Speaker 1: a charter school. He never owned an independent school like

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Speaker 1: I do. It was a charter school. It was a

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Speaker 1: charter school.

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Speaker 6: Well what get yologyair to speak? You know, we all

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Speaker 6: live recording.

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Speaker 1: Chartist schools are publicly on we all live recording. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Gone Academy is independently owned by Black.

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying, listen, back back to what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: Heymar, doctor Oumar John, doctor Umar Johnson, know what you say,

710
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Speaker 10: doctor Umar john Which stop?

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Speaker 1: He was wrong?

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Speaker 6: I had to I understand, I understand. Listen though, fit listen, listen, Hey,

713
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Speaker 6: hold on, sweet and I'm sure we'll give you an opportunity.

714
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna give you a mic, but just a second.

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Speaker 6: Listen though you're you're judging Dion Sanders and this is

716
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Speaker 6: not a finish. We will in a minute, but but

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Speaker 6: I don't Hey, hold on now, hey man, hold on

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Speaker 6: wo wo wo wo woh hold on.

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Speaker 1: I love my brother.

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Speaker 6: This is my show.

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Speaker 8: Let's let's let's remember that this is loan show.

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Speaker 6: Don't y'all can clap all you want. We have to

723
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Speaker 6: talk about the things I want to talk about. Sorry, sorry, right,

724
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Speaker 6: doctor Umar, because I haven't finished this point. I really

725
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Speaker 6: want us to spend some time, and we got a

726
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Speaker 6: lot to talk about. But in particular, it looks like

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to I know these guys.

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Speaker 8: They notice is I'm just trying to get information and

729
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Speaker 8: I want you to speak to them. Yes, sir, as

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Speaker 8: this as if he's watching I want you to speak

731
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Speaker 8: as if they're watching, because day nine times out of ten.

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Speaker 6: Allah. So I'm telling you this is this is important

733
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Speaker 6: to me.

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Speaker 8: So now I'm saying that I feel as though it's

735
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Speaker 8: unfair for you to judge D. R. Sanders in this

736
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Speaker 8: current position as he is on the journey the same

737
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Speaker 8: way you on your journey for twelve years to build

738
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Speaker 8: a school that some people say should have took one year. Okay, Now,

739
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Speaker 8: how can they say that if they never built it,

740
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Speaker 8: You've never did what he did.

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Speaker 1: He never done what I'm doing. So again, while you speaking, well,

742
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Speaker 1: what is he doing to go to a white college?

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Speaker 6: No, a lot of black coaches went to a white college.

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Speaker 6: What do you mean?

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, he's breaking the code of what it

746
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Speaker 8: looks like to be a head coach. He's trying to

747
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Speaker 8: get to a here, first black head coach I'm a

748
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Speaker 8: white school.

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Speaker 6: No, no, he's the first of this kind. He's the

750
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Speaker 6: first of his kind. Okay, he's a different kind of coach.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And at the end of the day, what what

752
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Speaker 1: are you expecting to come out of Dion? What does

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Speaker 1: he change being a coach at this white school. Let's

754
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Speaker 1: say Dion goes thirty years undefeated. What the hell did.

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Speaker 6: He change for black people at that all white school? Wait,

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Speaker 6: I mean that's a loaded question. He can change a

757
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Speaker 6: lot of code. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: See, you can't tell me what a loaded question is.

759
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 8: These are tactics, and I know you're a great speaker.

760
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Speaker 8: Stop the tactics.

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Speaker 6: You know these are tactics. Yeah, these are tactics. So

762
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Speaker 6: we want to just have a Now, listen, I believe him.

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Speaker 6: Let's just move off, Dion because I feel his dog. Hey, look,

764
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Speaker 6: I feel his dog. Yeah, he clap too much. We're

765
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Speaker 6: going back. Clap to what we're going back.

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Speaker 8: Let's talk about ESPN and Fox. What we saw with

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Speaker 8: Shannon shap of course.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. According to Stephen A.

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Speaker 8: Smith, Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharp had a run in

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Speaker 8: and he was let go. This news just came out

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Speaker 8: a lot of people thought he was he left on.

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Speaker 6: His own or on some kind of good So shar

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Speaker 6: had a run in. Yeah, there was some argument last stage.

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Speaker 1: I remember that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And so I think that bled over to

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Speaker 8: behind the scenes and led into eventually those two guys

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Speaker 8: not being able to coexist.

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Speaker 6: Shannon Sharp is now on ESPN. Stephen A. Smith broke

779
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Speaker 6: the news that he was asked to leave.

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Speaker 8: What what do you think about people like Shannon Sharp

781
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Speaker 8: sitting next to someone like Skip Bayless and providing that

782
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Speaker 8: type of style and swag to those.

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Speaker 1: I think the Shennon Sharp Skip Bayless's situation is so

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Speaker 1: symbolic for black people in America on many levels. Because

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Speaker 1: Shannon was a better commendator than the Skip he made

786
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Speaker 1: the show, but because Skip was the privileged white man,

787
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Speaker 1: Shannon made the mistake of outshining the master. And within

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Speaker 1: the white power structure, you're not allowed to do that.

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Speaker 1: And so Skip was willing to cut off his fingers

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Speaker 1: to teach Shannon a lesson that you never never go

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Speaker 1: against the white hand that feeds you. And so it

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Speaker 1: was unfortunate. But I'm glad Shannon is gone because to me,

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Speaker 1: I believe he was selling himself short, constantly trying to

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Speaker 1: play humble black man to this arrogant white man.

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Speaker 6: You think he played humble up there?

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Speaker 1: I've said then manyotimes, and you saw it on y

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Speaker 1: y'all saw him when he kept trying to ingratiate himself

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Speaker 1: to Skip. He tried to win skinness. Example, give me

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Speaker 1: just in the in the non verbals in the language,

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Speaker 1: in the deference. He always tried to make sure he

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Speaker 1: didn't go too far in challenging Skip. He always started

802
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Speaker 1: the shows with the with the with the with the hand,

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Speaker 1: the path. You know, he wanted it, He didn't want

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Speaker 1: to leave. I think Shannon tried to win Skip back over,

805
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Speaker 1: but Skip, being the slave master he is, he needed

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Speaker 1: to teach Shannon a lesson. And although his ratings are

807
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Speaker 1: going to drop and Skip's mind, it was well worth

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Speaker 1: it because in the mind of a white man, what

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Speaker 1: good am I if I can't even check a black man?

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Speaker 1: So that was all about race, and it was about power,

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Speaker 1: and I think Shannon may have not fully understood the

812
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Speaker 1: rules of racism. And the first rule of racism is

813
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Speaker 1: all white people are racists. And the second rule of

814
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Speaker 1: racism white people don't share power with black people. So

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Speaker 1: the minute Shannon wanted an equitable power sharing in the

816
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Speaker 1: conversation on Undisputed, he had to go Skip had to

817
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Speaker 1: let him know we are not partners. I'm the slave,

818
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Speaker 1: you're the slave, and I'm the slave master. Shannon tried

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Speaker 1: to break the cold change the power dynamic. White people

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Speaker 1: don't do well with you check of power dynamics because

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all they have is

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Speaker 1: their white privilege over and above you. But with that

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Speaker 1: being said, and I love my brother Shannon Sharp. I

824
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Speaker 1: think he got a good art, but until he stopped

825
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: running around with them, damn snow bunny, I'll never be

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Speaker 1: able to give him the total respect that he deserves.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good brother, but he got it,

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Speaker 1: he got a heel, whatever went on with him and

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Speaker 1: his children's mother, ex wife, whatever. But for him to

830
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Speaker 1: be as dark as he is and to only be

831
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Speaker 1: running around with white women, it's a disgrace to the race.

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Speaker 6: So love isn't love? Isn't love? To doctor Umar Johnson,

833
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Speaker 6: if love.

834
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Speaker 1: Is love, why don't we see rich white women marrying

835
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Speaker 1: broke ass black men.

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Speaker 8: If love is love, does that speak to what are

837
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Speaker 8: you saying with that? I'm saying, what white woman married

838
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 8: to a black man has ever done anything significant to

839
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Speaker 8: help black people? Kobe Bryant's widow, Vanessa, who inherited over

840
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Speaker 8: a billion dollars worth of his wealth, she just did

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Speaker 8: an hpiece, excuse me, a college partnership in Kobe's name in.

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Speaker 1: All five colleges she chose to be part of this

843
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant thing were white. She didn't choose a single

844
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Speaker 1: black college for this black man's money who didn't attend

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Speaker 1: a college at all.

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Speaker 8: Is in college the European power structure. So do we

847
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Speaker 8: participate with it or not? Like in some points we

848
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 8: hear yo, get outside the power structure, create your own.

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Speaker 6: Then Hill, Yo, you should have stayed at that HBCU in.

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Speaker 8: The white power structure because you still could have utilized it.

851
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Speaker 8: But if you go to this other school, you're in

852
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Speaker 8: the white power structure and you can do nothing.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm confused as to why the power.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because help clarify thing in Boulder, Colorado. At Jackson State,

855
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: he could have did a lot. What we're talking about

856
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: is Kobe Bryant's widow. Know can this black man's money

857
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Speaker 1: and not using any of it.

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Speaker 6: To support I know black people ain't supporting none with

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Speaker 6: their money.

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00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Okay, so do I. But that wasn't the point. So

861
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Speaker 1: it ain't about the color. It's about the soft skin color.

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00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: It's always about race. It's black thing in America is

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00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: about rich black people that don't help black people. It

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00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: ain't been helped.

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Speaker 6: By because they've been taught not to help. Okay, So

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Speaker 6: if that's who taught them not.

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Speaker 8: To still situation or where it should have not to help,

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00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 8: still the same situation, not to help black there's a

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Speaker 8: history through self hatred.

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Speaker 1: I'm not exempting black people, but any problem we got,

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00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: if you don't start with the plantation analysis, you off base.

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00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, but at the end of the day, I'm telling

873
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 8: you that it's not just being black that makes you

874
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 8: contribute to the cause.

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Speaker 6: And I think you're framing it like.

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Speaker 1: Black and conscious black.

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Speaker 8: So right, so you got black people with money that

878
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Speaker 8: don't check the conscious box that do nothing for the

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Speaker 8: black community.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 8: So if we can't just say if you're black and

882
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Speaker 8: in a position that you're gonna do something.

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Speaker 1: But you can't go psychologically dysfunctional negroes from the fact

884
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Speaker 1: that they exist in a white racist power structure. The

885
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Speaker 1: power structure is still the power structure, whether you're committed

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Speaker 1: or not. That's and the only way we want to

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Speaker 1: get black people to be focused on building their own

888
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Speaker 1: institutions and systems is to build our own institutions and systems.

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Speaker 1: That's what Dion could have helped us do at Jackson

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Speaker 1: Stay Home because con sholes up snow Bunny Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 6: See.

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Speaker 8: And this is where this is where I just think

893
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 8: you just tripped yourself up because you're still telling Dion

894
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Speaker 8: to participate in the HBCUs.

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Speaker 6: Am Okay, so there there we are. You're still in it.

896
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Speaker 8: So how can you do something if the system is

897
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 8: the system, no matter where you go.

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Speaker 6: A black system is a black system a white.

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Speaker 8: So now you're saying college if it's an HBCU, is

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Speaker 8: a black system.

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Speaker 1: The HBCUs grew out of a legacy of enslavement, you understand,

902
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Speaker 1: but that they were built to give black people the

903
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn how to make it in this world.

904
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Speaker 1: They are discriminated against, they are ignored, if they are

905
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: being marked for extermination. Dion Sanders was at an HBCU

906
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Speaker 1: at a time where they really could have used him

907
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Speaker 1: to stay put and create a system that would have

908
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Speaker 1: realized revolutionized the financial system of Division one sports. That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: What do you think about what do you think about

911
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Speaker 6: female rep?

912
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Speaker 1: What do I think about female rap? Be more specific,

913
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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 6: So when we'll get to gangst the REP, I want

915
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Speaker 6: to focus on female the.

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Speaker 8: So so so it's kind of over sexualized people to

917
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Speaker 8: say that it's reached a certain that that is uncomfortable

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Speaker 8: for sava people. Pre pornographic mm hm, so you have

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Speaker 8: no I mean, what's your thoughts on it? Just pre

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Speaker 8: that's it, it's pre If I were in charge, there

921
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 8: would be no game the rap and there would be

922
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Speaker 8: no soft pornography rap.

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Speaker 1: It'll all be exterminated. And one of the biggest contradictions

924
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: I see right now as we celebrate the fifty years

925
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: of hip hop is I don't hear nobody having a

926
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Speaker 1: conversation on how hip hop has hurt Black America. Gangst

927
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: the rap is the marketing scheme for the mass incarceration

928
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Speaker 1: of black males, and nobody saying nothing about it. Fifty

929
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Speaker 1: years of gangst the rap, fifty years of hip hop,

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Speaker 1: most of the money made by Jewish publish and houses.

931
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Speaker 6: Not a single.

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Speaker 1: Black institution, relevant Black institution. And let me tell you

933
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: what relevant institutions are, schools, banks, hospitals, supermarkets, manufacturing and

934
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: distribution centers. Fifty years, billions of dollars, the most influential

935
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: music form on Earth, and in fifty years, they haven't

936
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: built a single institution for Black people. Throw it in

937
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: the trash.

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Speaker 7: So that's gangster rep.

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Speaker 8: And I'm hearing you also say that they're flaunting and

940
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 8: certain things you feel as though that they're.

941
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 6: Almost shitting on. Oh yeah, black people who are the

942
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 6: main message of gainst the rat is I made it

943
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Speaker 6: out the ghetto.

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Speaker 1: You didn't. And I'm gonna flaun to you what I

945
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: have that you may never get. It's about making yourself

946
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: look important to people who don't have much.

947
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 6: Now by you see, you made a lot of money

948
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 6: off do you know.

949
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: You made a lot of money off what?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I got? You just hold what you got? Do

951
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 6: you know that? Do you know that?

952
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 8: Do you know that you've made a lot of money

953
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 8: in like the motivational space?

954
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 6: Do you know people view you as like like some

955
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: sort they pull motivation from you?

956
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Do you not recognize us?

957
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 6: I'm the greatest black speaker on the planet right now.

958
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 6: And okay, so when you say that, when you say that,

959
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 6: and let's let's hold off for some of that, doctor Umar,

960
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 6: We'll have to now just but but seriously, people look

961
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 6: at I should make much money from that.

962
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: I know my money from you.

963
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 6: Get your brand visibility though from that, See, that's that's

964
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 6: value that goes in different buckets, especially when you're building

965
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 6: our credentials. Pay the bills, not the work for now, No, bro,

966
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 6: you can't tell me that. Oohman, don't do that. That's

967
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: the fact. It's not a fact. That's a lot of

968
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 6: school psychologists. Because it's a lot of school psychologies.

969
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 8: It's a lot of people with your your attributes that

970
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 8: don't make the kind of money you make. And if

971
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 8: they did pay the bills, then you wouldn't take bookings

972
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 8: the way you do.

973
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to break down my bookings right,

974
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say that a lot of what

975
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: I do in the community is done at zero costs.

976
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't charge your penny to go into the prisons.

977
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't trust a penny to go into the halfway house.

978
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't try that.

979
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 8: It's time you've been to a prison on halfway house

980
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 8: by a month ago, last month.

981
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't charge a penny to go to Africa. I

982
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: didn't even know what to charge for and what not

983
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: to charge for. Well, because I'm a doctor, I could

984
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: charge for everything that I do. But I'm said, I

985
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: don't trust anything when I leave the country. No yet,

986
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: how do you charge for anything when i'd work with

987
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: vulnerable populations. So if one of them call me up

988
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: right now, say, doctor whom I work at the youth prison,

989
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: can you come down here in Nashville speak to my boys, shoort,

990
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: just cover the plane ticket. I'm not gonna charge you

991
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: a penny. I've never charged for those things.

992
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 8: Right, So how do you know what it'll charge for

993
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 8: and what not to charge for if and do you

994
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 8: charge for it?

995
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: Like? Because okay, I don't charuge for vulnerable populations, So

996
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: if you are helping people help themselves, I'm not going

997
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: to exploit that I'm coming for free. Just get me

998
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: bare that's it.

999
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 6: Okay again, I want you to know that.

1000
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: And I didn't even charge for my speaking for the

1001
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: first ten years. You know when I started to charge

1002
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: for my speaking when it started taking me away from

1003
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: my psychological services and then I had to make If

1004
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: you're making so much money on psychological services, why the hell.

1005
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 6: Am I gonna come speak for free?

1006
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Or no?

1007
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 6: Let me cause I know what you're gonna say. It

1008
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 6: said about the mission, So I'm saying if.

1009
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 8: I'm if, if if i'm if, I'm making so much

1010
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 8: money on the on the psychology, why the hell am

1011
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 8: I speaking for ten years for free?

1012
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 6: Like you got? Tell me?

1013
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 8: Why are you interested in speaking at all? And I'm

1014
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 8: trying to be respect for you guys.

1015
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 6: Don't make me mean this.

1016
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: I would sitting here by the ancestor disrespectful mes.

1017
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 6: Just turn up in my car give me a second

1018
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 6: of doctor Mark.

1019
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 8: Seems like that conversation is getting heated. I go by

1020
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 8: Big loan It's up There podcast. What you're looking at

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00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 8: right now is It's up There podcast live event. If

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Speaker 8: I recommend that you get to one. It is a

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Speaker 8: have a live podcast and keep people that engaged and entertained,

1027
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 8: at least in our opinion, and the results show for itself.

1028
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 7: We have to packed house.

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00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 8: I want to ask anyone that's watching this video to

1030
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Speaker 8: do me one fail. Pull your phone now, go to

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Speaker 8: and you come behind the paywater patron dot com, It's

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Speaker 8: up There podcast, and we operate as a.

1036
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 7: Family back there. This conversation went on for three hours.

1037
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 8: I like to stress that, man, because it's so important

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00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 8: that people know it's possible.

1039
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 7: Man.

1040
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 8: We came from humble beginnings. Man, we came from nothing

1041
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 8: with this podcast thing. Man, we was able to make

1042
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 8: it out with this thing. We got a packed house

1043
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 8: of black people, white people, all race of people to

1044
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 8: come here conversation. We didn't tell them a rapper was

1045
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 8: gonna be there. We didn't tell them an athlete was

1046
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 8: gonna be there. We didn't tell them they'll get money,

1047
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 8: they'll win a prize, there's a contest, they get an

1048
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 8: Instagram part.

1049
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 7: We didn't tell them.

1050
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 8: They get nothing but to come in Here's up there podcast,

1051
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 8: Big norm and somebody will be that with And for that,

1052
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 8: I'm thankful and I'm grateful to each and every one

1053
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 8: of y'all. But we have to run a business and

1054
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 8: to support the business. And you have to go wherever

1055
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 8: you listen to your other podcast and hit subscribe, put

1056
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 8: us in that rotation. Hit subscribe on this YouTube, hit

1057
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 8: share on the video, comment on the video. These things

1058
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 8: are imperative as we move through this ecosystem.

1059
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 7: You no longer do us justice by just watching.

1060
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 8: And not saying nothing, and seeing me in public and

1061
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 8: saying something or dming me.

1062
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 7: You now have to be visible.

1063
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 8: And so I give those marching orders to the people

1064
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 8: that's watching me, to the people that really support me.

1065
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 8: If you just a fly by watcher, hey do your thing.

1066
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 8: It says seventy one percent of the people that watch

1067
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 8: this has not subscribed, but they're returning viewers. And so

1068
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 8: I have to make this kind of video to kind

1069
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 8: of instruct y'all of how to support the business. If

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Speaker 8: you want me to keep these conversations coming, if you

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Speaker 8: want me to keep these live events coming, you gotta

1072
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 8: support it in that way.

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Speaker 7: I see you guys on Patreon.

1074
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 8: Part two of this conversation, Part two of this conversation

1075
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Speaker 8: even more dat.

1076
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 7: I promise you this is what conversation lives.

1077
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Speaker 8: This We are the conversation starters, We are the content creators.

1078
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 8: They just create content from our content. It's make you

1079
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 8: a big dog in this game when you're able to

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Speaker 8: make content and then make and then feed the coach

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Speaker 8: and let them eat off the content. It's up there, podcast.

1082
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Speaker 8: I see y'all next week. Come to Patreon for the vibration.

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00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 7: Even y'all so much.

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00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 8: Hey it's your boy Loona from Its Up That podcast.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for watching the video you just watched. To

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Speaker 8: make sure you subscribe by hitting the button you see

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Speaker 8: hitting this right here you see on the screen.

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Speaker 7: Biggest up that partcast