1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: by searching apps car Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Hope you're having a great day. The 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show brought to you by LG X Boom Bounces, 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: the portable speaker that delivers game changing sound from practice 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: to open runs. Power your play up with thirty hours 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: of battery life all for the limited time save twenty 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: five percent a LG dot com with a code to 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: follow twenty five bring the boom x Boom. Well, what 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: to talk about? What to talk about? Is it divisive 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: or divisive? Tomato tomato, potato potato. We'll get to that. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way, Ravens lose again a game 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: in which the offense was real, then big fumble in 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and the offense goes. We'll get to 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: what that means for Lamar and for the Ravens or 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: maybe we should talk more about the Lions, who, after 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: a first week dud, have been outstanding against the Bears 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: and the Ravens in back to back weeks. However you 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: want to look at it. Plus major League Baseball coming 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: to an end here as we're getting close to the 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: wild card next week, maybe we'll pick Jay Stew's brain 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: on what he thinks of the Dodgers, the Brewers, the Cubs, 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the Padres, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: think this one's at my wheelhouse, right Like you guys 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: are all like this one. We kind of know what 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: I all. My buddy's like, what are you going to 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: talk about today? My Gundy for twenty one years was 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: the head coach at Oklahoma State. He's relieved of his 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: duties today. The winningest coach in the history of Oklahoma 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: State football. I'll I'll just give it to you straight. 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I did not think he would be fired. And the 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: logic behind it is, as you heard from Dan Byer, 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: they owe him fifteen million on a buyout. They just 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: hired an entirely new staff, the two coordinators, one of 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: which Doug Meacham's now the interim head coach has a 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: three year, one one million dollar per year deal, so 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: they're still on the hook for the rest of this 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: season and then two more seasons. I think the total 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: is like fourteen to fifteen million, and then you're gonna 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: have to have a new team. Right, All these players 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: now have thirty days in which they could leave, and 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: you're like, well, school's already started. The schools on the 47 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: quarter system have not have not started yet, so I 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: don't think any of these guys are leaving now, but 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: they could, but they're gonna all be gone by the 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: end of the year, and you have a whole new 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: staff and a whole new team. And if this team 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: costs you, I was told thirteen million dollars, let's just 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: be conservative, fifteen fourteen, thirteen for just this head coach, 54 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: this staff, and this roster. Right, you're looking at forty 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: two ish million dollars, okay, and then you have to 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: go get a new team. This was thirteen stands a 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: reason fifteen to twenty next year if you actually want 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: to be competitive, and this coaching staff again, just even 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: in for a one year, you're like, your first year, 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay at least five for a 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: head coach, and then probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: ten for assistant coaches. Right, so you're at fifteen plus twenty. 63 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: That's thirty five plus whatever forty two. That's a lot 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: of money. And despite the fact that you're told by 65 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: people who don't know anything about anything that there's ungodly 66 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: sum of money out there, there's not that much money 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: in oclanm State. Now. I have been told there are 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: some loopholes and some things like vet med sitting on 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: like thirty three hundred million that they think they can 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: use for this. Whatever. The point is, it's a lot 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: of money. It's a lot of money. Let me tell 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: you why. The timing of it and what they have 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: done is absolutely positively wrong, and it's wrong for a 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: myriad of reasons. The number one reason is, hey, I 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: thought we were different. You know, my brother, he's been 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: in coaching for a long time and he went to UCLA, 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: graduated from UCLA. In the middle he actually played basketball Drake, 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: which has become kind of a powerhouse in the Missouri 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Valley in Des Moines, Iowa. And he told me a 80 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: long time ago an expression that I don't believe because 81 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: I have what I believe is a really good relationship 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: with Milma Mater, which is Hey, the second you care 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: too much about your own matter, just remember they don't 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: care about you. So Mike Gundy shouldn't have kept his 85 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: job because he's in Oklahoma state of lum. But what 86 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: exactly was accomplished today? Just think about this for a second. Okay, 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: and again, this is a topic I know a lot 88 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: about and some of you do because we're on in Oklahoma. 89 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: You know, people have listened to the show forever. Again, 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: last year, I thought he made the comments about his 91 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: running back who got a duy nothing I haven't done 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: a thousand times. You're like, what he got away with 93 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: saying things that no one else could won because he 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: was glib and that's just who he was, and he 95 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: worked out but two because they won. He did it, 96 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: did it for a long time. But it's wrong because 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: let's just take any coach, but especially one who is 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: in alum and has been successful for nineteen and a 99 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: half years. Right, last year this time Oklahoma State was 100 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: ranked fourteenth in the country. Last year this time Oklahoma 101 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: State was eight. So that is a precipitous decline. So 102 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: now either the old man stopped working. He's not really 103 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: that old, but he stopped working, or the game passed 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: him by, or maybe I don't know, maybe this is 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: just a whole new world again. I was against UCLA 106 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: firing Deshaun Foster, but Deshaun got a job that I 107 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: don't think anybody thought he had a chance for also 108 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: in lum But three games into his second year, what 109 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: are we doing. What's the purpose of being a coach 110 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: if you can't have problems and try and fix those problems. 111 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: What's the purpose having a contract if you can't let 112 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: somebody at least go through the second year of it. 113 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, it was his fourth year, was a weird tie. 114 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: They never got to go in. They're chasing the glory 115 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: of a program in the past when they were in 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: a different league, in a different time, in a different era, 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: and they're trying to get it back. I understand it's 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: hard a Virginia Tech, but none of neither of those 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: two were the winningest coaches at a place or had 120 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: just two years ago won ten games at a place 121 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: where they started by the way two years ago, losing 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: to South Alabama at home, which is as bad or 123 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: is worse loss than to Tulsa this past Friday. But 124 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: here's the point. At the end of last season, there 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: was a coup de'etas. There were people in the athletic 126 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: department more people that were donors, and I believe the governor, 127 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: Governor Stitt in Oklahoma, who wants to be the president 128 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State, tried to have a coup deta. They 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: wanted to fire Mike Gundy, and Mike Gundy had a 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: contract which was unfireable. So even as an alumna, a 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: friend of guandhy and and a fan of like, a 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: twenty five million dollar buyout on a rollover contract is ridiculous, 133 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: So they tried to come up with some kakamami plan 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: to fire him for cause if he wasn't willing to 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: change the terms of his contract and sign a new contract. 136 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: He acquiesced signed a new contract that now had a 137 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollar buyout, and he acquiesced and wiped out 138 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: his staff people that he worked with for years, and 139 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: hired a whole new staff. Were three games in to 140 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: a new staff, three games in to a season. Two 141 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: and a half of those games they played without their 142 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: starting quarterback and broke his foot on the third series 143 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: of the season, the starting quarterback who came over with 144 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. They copied the Oklahoma model. And you're 145 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: gonna fire You're winning his coach? Ever, why because he 146 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: might win games? Here's a news flash. I don't know 147 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: if anybody knows this. Even if Mike Gundy won every 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: game the rest of the season, if you want to 149 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: fire him, do you know how much it cost you 150 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars? If he loses every game the rest 151 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: of the season. Do you know much it cost you 152 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars? But you're supposed to do it the 153 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: right way. Was it embarrassing to lose to Tulsa? Yes? Yes, yes. 154 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: Last time they lost Tulsa was nineteen ninety eight. I know. 155 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I was there. I was a student. We drove down 156 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: to Tulsa, watched football guys play. It was in the rain. 157 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: It was awful, and Tulsa was sort of decent then, 158 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I think, and Oklahoma State was not. But it felt terrible. 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Bad scheduling all around. Don't play the Oregon game. They're 160 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: on a completely different trajectory than you, and don't play Tulsa. 161 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: So because there's no win in playing Tulsa. The same 162 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: reason Wisconsin won't play US is because they beat us. 163 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: You're supposed to beat us. If you lose, it's the 164 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: end of the world. I get it. But three games 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: in to a twenty one year career, when you've done 166 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: nothing but win up until the last calendar year, you 167 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: fire a guy who just hired a new staff, has 168 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: sixty three new players. All that is is you have 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: people who think that the answer is always fire. Everybody, 170 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: start over, do it as quickly as possible. What change 171 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: for the program today? How do they put themselves on 172 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: some different trajectory? What change for this weekend? Is Baylor Kude. Nothing. 173 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: All you've done is say whatever hope there was of 174 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: having any sort of positive season, you've completely thrown out 175 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: the door. And oh yeah, by the way, like you're 176 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: my Gundy. He wasn't probably gonna go quietly, but you 177 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: very easily could have gone in at mid season be like, listen, 178 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: we got the money, we're gonna buy you out. We 179 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: want to do this the right way. Let's make this 180 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: the going away tour. But instead you just do it 181 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: to get splash. You do it in the middle of 182 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: the week. It's Tuesday. They play Saturday at home at home. 183 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: And I know who the people are who are making 184 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: these decisions. And again a lot of them have been, Hey, 185 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: I got this money, I want this coach, I want 186 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: that coach they did in basketball a couple of years ago. 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: So they're putting up their good, harder money because they're 188 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: all the honor and they want to buy a winner. 189 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: But nothing you have done today makes you closer to 190 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: being a winner, none, cause you're gonna have to start 191 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: from scratch next year, regardless, completely over, new staff, new program, 192 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: new everything. And again that's gonna take time. You think that, 193 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm living it. So this is 194 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: not a coach to a coach defending a coach. I 195 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: said yesterday, I thought he actually should have got until 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: next year. What's the point of reworking his deal? What's 197 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: the point of saving yourself ten million dollars for three 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: games when you lose your starting quarterback three series in right, 199 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: And you can say, well, when you know, you know, 200 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: but you don't know. You have no idea what they have. 201 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, they missed on some guys in the portal. 202 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: They weren't great. It's really really hard to have fifteen 203 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: or twenty practices and then go play, you know, a 204 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: football game. Kind of hard. So again, this is not 205 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: me saying you can't fire a coach. That's not me 206 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: saying you can't fire an alone you can. This is 207 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: not me saying you can't fire the winningest coach in 208 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: the history of Oklahoma State football. You absolutely positively have 209 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: the right to do so. But why now because idiots 210 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: on TV and on the internet think that you can 211 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: get John Gruden, which you can't, or think that this 212 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: doesn't puts you in pole position to go get a coach. 213 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't change anything. You still have to go and evaluate 214 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: who you think and figure out what their plan is, 215 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: figure out how much money you have, what name is 216 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: going to generate you the most money for people who 217 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: donate money, so one you can continue to buy out process, 218 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: but also to raise money for new players. All of 219 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: these things they don't change. But Oklahoma State was supposed 220 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: to be different because he's one of us. It doesn't 221 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: buy you a lifetime appointment. It doesn't mean that you're 222 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: impervious to anything. It doesn't mean that you have to 223 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: stay there for years to come and fulfill the entirety 224 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: of your contract. Doesn't mean that, but it's supposed to 225 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: mean something. Twenty one years of excellence is supposed to 226 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: mean something, and it doesn't. And that's where we are 227 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: in college sports, not everywhere. But it sucks that it's 228 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: my alma mater that was supposed to be a different place, 229 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: that was supposed to be a place where, hey, cowboys 230 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: hire cowboys and we take care of cowboys. And look 231 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: they had they hired, you know, the longtime legendary wrestling 232 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: coach John Smith retired a year and a half ago. 233 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: They hired David Taylor wrestling coach. He's a Penn State guy. 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: He's been unbelievable and I'm sure that there's a lot 235 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: of people around still Water they're like, hey, we don't 236 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: have to hire Oaklham State guys. David Taylor's not He's awesome. 237 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: It's a great hire. He's been spectacular. But did you 238 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: do that three matches into the season? Three games into 239 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: the season. And this just reiterates something that I've often believed. 240 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, you don't go shop hungry, right, 241 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: you don't go shop hungry? Why don't you go shop 242 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: hungry because you'll go buy stuff that you didn't actually 243 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: want like that sounds good, that sounds good. That sounds good, 244 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: that sounds good. You come home and your wife your 245 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: girlfriends like what you get. I was like, well, you know, 246 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: I got orchotta because that sounds good. And then I 247 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: got steak because that sounds good. And then I got chicken, 248 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: and then I got sushi, and then I got there Like, whoa, 249 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: all this is fresh, It's all gonna go bad. Why 250 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: do I let you go shopping when you're hungry? But 251 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: you don't make decisions when you're embarrassed. Catch your breath, 252 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: find your balance, make the smart decision. This is not 253 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: one of them, because, however bitter my Gundy may have been, 254 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: when ultimately you let him go. Now okay, now, I 255 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: mean you lost a huge chunk of your university in 256 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: your football family, because you're very likely to hire somebody 257 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: outside of the football family is going to do things new. 258 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: And now all those people used to come around for 259 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: all the games because they played for one coach for 260 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: twenty years. And now it's not just that he's gone, 261 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,119 Speaker 1: is that he's really bitter about it, and you embarrassed 262 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: him by firing him three games in with a whole 263 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: new team and a whole new coaching staff. What's the 264 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: hurt and waiting? He might win more games? 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Hit that 273 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: subscribe button right there there you go, and let me 274 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: know how incredible my takes are and my basement is, 275 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: and how Dan Byer always has good hair. All these things. 276 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: These are appropriate comments. Go check out a brand new 277 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: YouTube channel again, subscribe to it Doug Gottlieb Show, Doug 278 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. Byer, What do you think You're always a 279 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: neutral bystander. You're also a huge college football fan. You know, 280 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: I process emotions, and I'm not going to say Mike 281 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: Gundy and I are besties. He usually comes on once 282 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: a year when I'm personally super nice to me. But 283 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: We're not like constantly changing text messages, Christmas cards, whatever. 284 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: I just I've never understood this. I got to fire 285 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: a guy right now because I'm mad because we lost 286 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: a game that I didn't think we should lose or 287 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: not as good as we're supposed to be. Instead of 288 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: going like, okay, like what's the right thing to do 289 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: by all people, this is not It's that's my take. 290 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that even from whether it 291 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: be from you know, five feet away or five hundred 292 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: miles away, it is a bad move because I think 293 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: that the outside perspective of Oklahoma State is twofold. So 294 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: you see Gundhy being fired. They're four year start quarterback. 295 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: You mentioned all time winning as coach, and it's not 296 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 3: even close. I mean in being their twenty years, one 297 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy wins. Second place is sixty two. So 298 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: if there's anybody that's Oklahoma State, it's Mike Gundy. And 299 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 3: if you're a coach and you go there and you say, well, 300 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: if I don't get things going, what are they going 301 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: to do to me? So that turns I think could 302 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: turn candidates off at one point. The other point is 303 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: I think from a national perspective is for the coaches 304 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: that we know and that stand out at Oklahoma State 305 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: outside of Mike Gundy, there's two of them, Jimmy Johnson 306 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: and Les Miles, and those coaches used Oklahoma State as 307 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: a stepping stone, springboard gap. Yeah. It was not Mike. 308 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: That was not Mike Gundy's deal. This was his destination. 309 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 3: This was his destiny. If you will, so to move 310 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: off of Gundy in this fashion, the next coach you're 311 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: going to get is probably going to use you as 312 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: a springboard. As you say, I stay say stepping stone 313 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: and that that's what I think is lost on it 314 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 3: from the outside looking in. It's to be careful what 315 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: you wish for. Thing with Oklahoma State. 316 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and listen, and it's a lesson. I also 317 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: think there's an expression in coaching. I don't know if 318 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: you guys ever heard this. Every year you coach somewhere, 319 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: you make an enemy, right, and you coach somewhere long 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: enough twenty one years, you make twenty one enemies. Eventually 321 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: they'll get you. Now, look, if he's winning games, you 322 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: go back to last year, this time the beat Arkansas, 323 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: they're undefeated, the ranked fourteenth in the country, there were 324 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: those enemies were silent, were silent, but you start losing 325 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: and they get loud, They get really loud. Ken I 326 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: continue to reiterate as my Gundy that Oklahoma state head 327 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: coach has lost its job today. Was fired was? It 328 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: ain't about hiring firing a head coach. It's about doing 329 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: things the right way. And then you compound it by 330 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he's an alum. He was a great 331 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: quarterback in one of the few great eras in Oklahoma 332 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: state history, and he had been successful for nineteen consecutive years. 333 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: After his first year, by the way, when he took 334 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: over the job from Less Miles, he ran like nine 335 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: guys off because he wanted quality, character guys right, So 336 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: he kind of sacrificed his first year to build it. 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: But he thought was the right way. And again, it's 338 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: not about firing a coach, it's about why are we 339 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: firing him three games in the season. Let's ask John Middlecoffee. 340 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: He joins us now on the Doug Gotlieb Show on 341 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports, Rady, we whant to get to NFL football 342 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Ravens defense. What's going on? Why they keep coming up 343 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: short in the fourth quarter and second But first just 344 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: your reaction. My Gundy out of a job again from 345 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred miles away. How's that feel? 346 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say you could kind of see the writing 347 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: on the wall obviously last year going three and nine. 348 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: You know, I always struggle, like you said, three games in, 349 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 4: just get the divorce last offseason, right, why even do this? 350 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 4: And I know it's difficult because like you said, alumni, 351 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: you know, I think sometimes I think you're seeing it. 352 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 4: It's a little bit different because they just made the 353 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: playoffs last year, But it's hard to be in a 354 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: place this long in the Internet era, with the negativity 355 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 4: that surrounds programs, and I think you're seeing it with Dabo, 356 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: and I wonder, you know there was a loyalty and 357 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 4: I think clearly there's a loyalty with Dabbo and Clemson, 358 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: But like if I could recommend eathing to Dabbo, I'd 359 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: be like, Hey, you got this negativity, got people already 360 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 4: kind of coming for you if you get the opportunity 361 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: to take the forward a job, like sometimes in your profession, 362 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 4: you just need to reset. And a couple of years ago, 363 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 4: you know, Dundee and it was a tough decision turned 364 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: down Tennessee. Right who and you know, this. 365 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: Way back I guarantee that's what he's seeing today should 366 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: have taken. 367 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 4: Tennessee well like in this era with t Moon gone. Yeah, right, 368 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 4: can you imagine Oklahoma State in twenty thirteen in this era, right, 369 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: they would have been much they would have been like 370 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: Texas Tech. But nowadays it doesn't feel like they regress 371 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: in terms of that. So it's like, is it My 372 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 4: first thought that yeah, is it a good job? Because 373 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: my first thought was no. 374 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I honestly think you just hit a home run. John, 375 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: I had my brother told me that the same thing. 376 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, the guy at Kansas State was 377 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: a great coach in FBS and he did a great 378 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: job his first couple of years. You know, Dabo Sweeney 379 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: was an unbelievable coach at Clemson and Mike Gundhy, now, right, 380 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: is unbelievable job. What happened to what happened? How did 381 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: Texas Tech suddenly become the best team in the Big 382 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: twelve because they got a billionaire funding it? It's really 383 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: not that hard. It's not that hard, you know, and 384 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: it takes you, and it takes you a couple of 385 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: years to kind of figure it out the portal and 386 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: all that other stuff. And this is their first year 387 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: going on in the portal. Right, so it's you have 388 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: more money than other people, you're gonna put a better 389 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: team out there. 390 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 4: And every perfect last week text the Tech against Utah 391 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: these you know, they got first rounds of offensive line 392 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: texta deck. Even their best team offense couldn't stop the soul. 393 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: Well because they could never ever get a recruit to 394 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: come there. They didn't even waste time talking to them 395 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: because they nowadays like, you want NFL recruits, Well, this 396 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: is what we're offering. Boom will offer you more you 397 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: come here. And Texas Tech got good and obviously I 398 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: think Joey maguire is pretty good too. Yeah, but it 399 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: would not be good if Brushon wasn't good, if you 400 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: gave Oklahoma States. So it's this is this is a 401 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 4: money game. It's kind of become. You know, college basketball 402 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 4: was like this because the shoe contracts stuff pre nil, 403 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 4: but now football is basically the same thing that if 404 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: you don't have the elite money, you got no. 405 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: Shots, correct, correct, You gotta get really really lucky and 406 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: then you got a fin out. How you gotta stay healthy. Right. 407 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 4: Do you think he retired Mike, Yeah, I don't know. 408 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: Might do TV. It's got a lot of money, kids 409 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: are out of the house, got a gigantic house to 410 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: sell it on? How that sell? It's been on the 411 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: market for over a year. I don't know. Is that 412 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: part of me the things she goes does again? Maybe? 413 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: But he had a lot of money and he's got 414 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: I think he's actually got a cement business. I don't know. 415 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: He's different, dude. 416 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: I got a question for you then. 417 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean I heard he's got to be on TV. 418 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: How good would be on TV? 419 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 4: Oh, well, he's hiring yesterday or Fox. I mean, he'll 420 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 4: be fine. Why would his house be for sale? Is 421 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: this something he sees coming? Then? 422 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: Uh no? His kids raw out of the house. It's 423 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: a huge house with like a menagerie of animals and stuff. 424 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I just think it was a lot to maintain, to 425 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: be honest with you, they all have these gigantic houses 426 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: when they have their kids and they have everybody over whatever, 427 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: and then I think their wives are like, dude, this 428 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: is stupid, Like I don't I don't want this house. 429 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: Wait. Our landscaping bill is eight thousand dollars what do 430 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: we do? 431 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? What are we? What are we actually doing? John 432 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Middlcoff's our guest here on the Doug Gottlib Show. Enough College. Okay, 433 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of things last night with the 434 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Lions beating the Ravens. The first thing is, was Derrick 435 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: Henry fumble prone? 436 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: Before I thought that yesterday he had three total fumbles 437 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: in all of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, 438 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 4: it was like almost six hundred and fifty carries and 439 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 4: he has three this year and whatever fifty carries. So 440 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 4: the answer is no. And clearly, you know it's one 441 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: of those things. You know, you could say one individual fumble, 442 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: even if it's you know, bad ball security is a 443 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: freak play. Once this happened a couple of times. Clearly 444 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 4: it's in his head and got he got lucky when 445 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 4: he slammed his helmet on kind of that plastic bench 446 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: that during the winter gives heat. He didn't have a 447 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: horrific fall. I mean, he got luck. You gotta fell 448 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: on that bench. But clearly he's he's pretty worked up 449 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: over it, and let's face the heat. You know, they 450 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 4: kind of corralled him. You remove the one twenty eight 451 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 4: yard run. He had twenty two yards in all of 452 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: his other carries. So if you corral a guy like 453 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: him to ten or eleven carries for twenty yards, you're doing 454 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 4: a pretty good job. And after that big run, he 455 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: did nothing. The other thing with him, obviously the Hall 456 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: of Fame guy, he's actually more potent from like the 457 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: forty yard line. Did he have the goal line? Because 458 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: he's so easy to tackle, you know, in a short 459 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 4: yard of situation. You saw yesterday a couple of times 460 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 4: he got cut off immediately where in the open field, 461 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 4: he's not the most elusive guy, but he has great 462 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 4: feet and he gets you angled with a speed. But 463 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: he's not a great goal line back like you know 464 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 4: Montgomery would be because of size and leverage. 465 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Did you see Lamar get tackled when he tried to 466 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: shake the linebacker from the Lions? And I was like, yeah, 467 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen that happen before. 468 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: Right where it is like, wait, has Lamar Jackson become 469 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: a human being because he was a superhero before today? 470 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: You know what happens? And I think it happens in 471 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: basketball sometimes, especially in college when you like run and 472 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 4: he used to happen for everyone. The zone defense, he 473 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 4: like would really throw people off. He's not used to 474 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: these guys not springing up the field. They would all 475 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 4: take a couple of steps and like five of them 476 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 4: would have be in different spots where he scrambled around. 477 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: If the guy wasn't open immediately, they would be a 478 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 4: couple of yards away from Usually these defensive linemen and 479 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: it happens to Kyler, Murray, Josh Allen. This the natural 480 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 4: pass rush fly up the field. Well, these guys are 481 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 4: so athletic, and especially if you're in man defense, all 482 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: your defensive backs are looking at the wide receivers and 483 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 4: he can just take off for ten, fifteen, twenty yards. 484 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 4: Last night they were just stopping and clearly they have 485 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 4: athletic defensive lineman, but definitely have athletic linebackers that I 486 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 4: think there was just a guy every four or five 487 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 4: yards and you got to get the line of credit. 488 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 4: They tackled well in space, and they got him a 489 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 4: lot in his legs. Sometimes those guys die for Lamar 490 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: and they missed. It felt like every time they died 491 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 4: and got his ankles, like he was going down. I'm 492 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: with Dad, I've never seen that. I don't think it's 493 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: going to be a theme, but I would imagine Spagnola 494 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: this week, in the best one to two matchup you'll 495 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 4: ever see, is going to try to do that because 496 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 4: they slowed him down before and all of a sudden, 497 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: we could be looking up and the Ravens are one 498 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: and three. But here's the thing. Does the missing Madibuke 499 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: who's an unreal d tackle and van Noy who they 500 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: hired off basically McAfee show who turned back into a 501 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 4: pro bowler. Those two guys missing the Ravens looked unraven like, 502 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 4: and Dan Campbell and that unit they leaned on them 503 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: all night long and kind of embarrassed them that you 504 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: rarely see the Ravens get shut like. Offensively, they have 505 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 4: them off games. They still stored I mean a lucky 506 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: thirty points, but they were in the mid twenties right 507 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 4: even without the last touchdowns. But the defense just I mean, 508 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: you could remove the seventy yard run and they got 509 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty yards and ran on them when 510 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: you know the runs are coming. So that's I think 511 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 4: the Ravens defensively they started slow last year too, but 512 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: losing these two front guys has a huge impact on 513 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: their physicality. 514 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is no longer the starting quarterback of the 515 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: New York Giants, right, Yeah, And I know we can 516 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: talk about Jackson Dart in our expectations of Jackson Dart, 517 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: but I want to take it just a second. That's 518 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: the last he'll be a starting quote, right, he may 519 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: start a game at some point in time the season, 520 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: maybe not, but like that's it, right, I mean, this 521 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: is what four teams in six years, and yeah, I 522 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: just this, this was he he couldn't do it with 523 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: the Steelers didn't want him, Giants don't want him, Broncos 524 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: didn't want him, Seahawks were done with him. Like this 525 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: is a weird end to a Hall of Fame caliber 526 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: career where if he comes back, he'll have to be 527 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: a backup that could occasionally spot start and you know, 528 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: hope somebody you know, or do the Flaco maybe maybe 529 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: you get you know, a team on a down year, 530 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: but otherwise, like if he chooses to stay in the game, 531 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: he probably goes to TV. He's gonna be a backup, correct. 532 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say he wouldn't be even 533 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: backup caliber because he's so famous, and he got to 534 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 4: that kind of tipping point where he's almost too big 535 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 4: of a star to be a backup quarterback. It does 536 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: feel like it's quieted a little bit. You know, it's 537 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 4: been pretty seamless. Now. Last year he went the reverse right, 538 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: he was injured and didn't start early and then started 539 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: at the end, and then it kind of got weird 540 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: at the end. But this year we'll see how he 541 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: handles this situation, because there's still a point that if 542 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 4: it gets weird, if some stuff gets leaked, you could argue, 543 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 4: if he's not gonna your starting quarterback, he's then untouchable. 544 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 4: It's just not worth it. Now if I say that, 545 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 4: I would have said that about Carson Wentz and looking 546 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: at him six fra eight years starting for six different teams, 547 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: so you never know. But obviously Russell's way more famous 548 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: than Carson Wentz, so yeah, I would tend to lean 549 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: not only did he started career is definitely over right. 550 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: I think in his spot, like who is you know 551 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: who wants them right? Would you want him around your 552 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 4: young quarterback? I don't know. Typically teams like like case Keenum, 553 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 4: you know, they like their backup to actually be not 554 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 4: very famous right used to that role and then who 555 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: you know, like a Josh Allen Patrick mahomes Like, I 556 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 4: don't think you do that either, Like where does he 557 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: where does he fit in the hierarchy of the way 558 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 4: the league works. We have a lot of veteran quarterbacks 559 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: now would start and then that group of young guys, 560 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: which I don't really know if he fits in that loop. 561 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 4: So you could argue it could just be this off season. 562 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 4: Would you be stunned if we're going like midway through 563 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 4: training camp and he doesn't have a home. 564 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: No, I think I think he does TV, that's my guess. 565 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: But he's terrible. Well he doesn't say anything. 566 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: I yeah, I know he's awful. Jay stew I don't 567 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: know if that was on air. In my ear's awful. Yeah, 568 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: there's lots of guys on TV that are awful. Won 569 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. It's good looking guy. Why he's famous? Okay, 570 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: there's all these networks they're hiring a lot of people. 571 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: We if we if we want to play the game 572 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: of who's really good, there's plenty of guys that say 573 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: nothing that are on TV. Because he's a Hall of 574 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback, Yeah, you just. 575 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 4: Throw him on a studio show. He's famous. 576 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, and he can say he can say 577 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: smart things. He just never he's just tried to always, always, 578 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, playkate people with his opinions. So that's fine. 579 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 4: You know, there's someone hit me up and they're like, 580 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: you know, we have this debate a lot, right, It's 581 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 4: Stafford a Hall of Famer, and you go back and forth. 582 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 4: And I like my hall of Fame to be like 583 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: pretty elite group of guys, likes the Mannings, the Brady. 584 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: But let's just say, like obviously, once we start talking 585 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 4: about the next tier of guys, Russell Wilson's a way 586 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 4: more accomplished player over the course of his career in 587 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: terms of Pro Bowls, in terms of just winning than 588 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 4: Stafford was. And I think, you know, these debates because 589 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 4: if you just have most people that think of the 590 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 4: end of his career is so bad. People forget how 591 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 4: awesome he was in his prime and he was a 592 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 4: pretty special player there for like five six years. But 593 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 4: the ending is, man, I mean, you talked about him 594 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 4: sip of his drop off. It's it's pretty ugly ending. 595 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: Well, we started with an ugly ending, we end with 596 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: an ugly ending. But he's not an ugly ending. He's 597 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: John Middlcoff. The volume is where you can find his 598 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: three and out podcast. You're the Best, Johnny. 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Let's get 609 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: to Dan Byron, get to a game. 610 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 5: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All right, Doug, 611 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 5: the game today is rank them. Okay, we're gonna look 612 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 5: at both ends of this spectrum. Starting out, Doug ranked 613 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 5: the top three teams in the NFL through three weeks. 614 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: Number three the LA Chargers Okay, love my Lightning Bolts 615 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: three and zero in their division as well. They mentioned 616 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: three oh in their division. I think I did number 617 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills and number one phill Eagles. 618 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: All right, doesn't have to be pretty. They got three wins, 619 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: no losses, huge win over the Rams, gigantic winning Kansas 620 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: City over the Chiefs, and an opening game win as 621 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: well in uh, where do they play that game? That's 622 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't of that Cowboys? Where they played? 623 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: Oh? 624 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: That was in Philly? That's right? Okay, So three, No, 625 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go keep Phillies Eagles one. 626 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: All right, Doug Rangy Three worst teams in the NFL 627 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: through three weeks. 628 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: Wow, Now that's a that's a fun discussion. That's a 629 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: fun discussion. Number one is the Saints. Let's work backwards, right, 630 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: the Saints they stink. Stinks that now it's getting competitive, right. 631 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: A lot of good nominees here. 632 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: There there are. You got the g Men, The g 633 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: men is one, Dolphins, the Titans, the Texans stink. I 634 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: mean what the precipitous decline of the Texans after two 635 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: years ago, new coach, new quarterback and got into the 636 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: playoffs and looking good in the playoffs. Hmm, I'm gonna 637 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: go Dolphins at two. Second worst team, okay, And I'll 638 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: say Giants at three, Giants at three. 639 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 3: All right, Doug, speaking of the Giants, rank the three 640 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 3: quarterbacks on their current roster, Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, and 641 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart. 642 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: I'll go Jamis Winston, Jackson Dart, and Russell Wilson. I'm 643 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: a big Jamis guy. Plus, I just how can we 644 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: not get him eating the doves one one more time? 645 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: You get him eating the dubs? 646 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: I agree. Again, we talked about this yesterday, but I 647 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: was hearing the news today surprised that Winston maybe wasn't 648 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: named the starter and they just made Wilson inactive. 649 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: Or that's the way to save your job, way to 650 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: save your job, you know, because then if you lose, 651 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know he got a rookie quarterback. 652 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. Ranked the top three Mike Gundy memories, Oh from 653 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: his home state. 654 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean number one has to be I'm a man, 655 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: Come after Me, which, by the way, was his highest 656 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: rated quarterback recruit ever. Couldn't play. It's funny about that, right, 657 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: Like his best quarterback ever showed up as a walk on. Actually, 658 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: both of his second best quarterback ever was a baseball player. 659 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: Another one is the offensive coordinate with the Falcons. People 660 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: want to see him and he was a wide receiver, 661 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: so they've kind of had some weird luck there for me, 662 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: that's what. 663 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 3: That's what Wait wait wait, where's it was? Where's Brandon 664 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 3: Whedon on there? 665 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: Whedon was the guy who's the base gotcha? 666 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 3: Who is also what like twenty six when he was 667 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 3: like the starting quarterback. 668 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: But he literally like walked in, was like, hey, I 669 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: want play football here, Like hey, he was there a 670 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: couple of years. But uh, anyway, by. 671 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: The way, bet online is Zach Robinson four to one. 672 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: Zero is my guy. He's awesome. You know his mom 673 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: was a palm I think not sure they're palm at 674 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: Okaha State. The only reason he went there, he went 675 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: there's a wide receiver and then he was quarterback. He's 676 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: pretty good. And then when he got hurt the Colorado game, 677 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: that's when Whedon came in and they're like, hey, this 678 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: guy can actually play anyway. Number two number two is uh. 679 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: I think they got a logo we got one too, 680 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: or they got a brand. We have one right because 681 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: they they beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. Okay, 682 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: and then the number three would be last time they 683 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: played Oklahoma they beat Oklahoma, and that was the night 684 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: of the day. My daughter committed to go to Oklahma 685 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: State and she called us from the called us from 686 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the field when they're taking down the goalpost. It's pretty cool. 687 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: The all time leading passer and Big Eight history Mike 688 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 3: Gundy Sun Boys Nights. 689 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah pretty good, right, Yeah, he had pretty good backfield 690 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: there with Thrman Thomas Yeah, and Barry Sanders. 691 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 4: Yes. 692 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: Helps. That's game time, that game. 693 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 694 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: Okay, come next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. Things we 695 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: missed get into regards the NFL. It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback. 696 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: It's only right here, it's only next. It's only on 697 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: the Doug Gottlieb Show.