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Speaker 1: I listen to The Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Black Guy Who Tells podcast. I

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Speaker 2: am your pilot Rod and I've joined as always by

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Speaker 2: my co pilot Karen, and we are here to get

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Speaker 2: you to your destination, wherever that may be.

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Speaker 1: Yes, wherever that may be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it might be a little turbulent. All right, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be cruising at a nice altitude. But we're not alone.

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Speaker 2: We have a guest, first time guest on our show.

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Speaker 2: I've been a guest on her show a few times.

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Speaker 2: It is the host of the series of Fortunate Events podcasts,

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Speaker 2: Mimi Cherry.

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Speaker 3: What's going on girl? Oh my god, I'm here.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Hello, bojour. Hello to your listeners. This is to

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Speaker 4: an honor and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, dope, you could be here. I feel like

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Speaker 2: you're really good at like promoting as well. I didn't

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Speaker 2: even really like whenever we have a guest, it's like you, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: can you give us pictures for the like show art

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Speaker 2: and stuff? And so Mimi always has these fabulous pictures

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Speaker 2: and as I go to send a picture out to

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Speaker 2: promote the show today, like the way it captured. The

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Speaker 2: screenshot is just like one hundred percent boobs my boobs.

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Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, she's Oh, I see what

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that.

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Speaker 4: So I just got back from a trip and like

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Speaker 4: I caught like a twenty four bugs. So I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: if I sound a little stuffy, but I could not

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Speaker 4: I had just enough time to nap and then go

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Speaker 3: And after a while I kept seeing everybody would look

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Speaker 4: Then look down, look at me, and then look down,

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Speaker 4: and then like the money just kept dropping into the bucket.

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Speaker 3: And then I went on to my drag mom and

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Speaker 4: I see what you're doing. I know why you put

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Speaker 4: me at the door. Anyways, good morning.

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Speaker 5: Present, it matters.

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Speaker 3: It's all about we work our ass set.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's good a return on them. Mimi, Can you

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Speaker 2: Can you tell everybody about a series of fortune and

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Speaker 2: events like where to find it?

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Speaker 5: What exactly the podcast is about?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Please and thank you. Series of Fortunate Events aka Sophie

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Speaker 4: Pod is my little brain child. I like to say

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Speaker 4: it's like a fun little hang with a friend. I

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Speaker 4: used to say that it was the love child of

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Speaker 3: Say, I mean, I like to sometimes make up with

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Speaker 4: But even that I stopped doing because even that kind

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Speaker 4: this is not that's so good in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, it's a fun little it's a fun little hang.

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Speaker 4: It's part interview, part games. And speaking of promoting, I

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Speaker 4: thank you for giving me a chance to come here

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Speaker 4: because I'm on my promoting a kind of bandwagon. August seventh,

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Speaker 4: Oasis in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: I'm bringing you the first the Bay Areas first reverse roast.

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Speaker 3: What is a reverse roast?

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Speaker 4: I hear both of you asking in a dark world

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Speaker 4: that is scary and threatening enough. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 4: down with like the original roasts. But I started playing

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Speaker 4: what about a reverse roast where we're nice to each

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Speaker 4: other but in a cunty way, And enough.

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Speaker 3: People laughed at it that I've decided to produce it.

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Speaker 4: As a show, but we're also doing some classic stand

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Speaker 4: up comedy, some classic drag, and my fun little podcast

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Speaker 4: games as part of Sophie pod Live twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: So August seventh, San Francisco Oasis.

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Speaker 3: Come on down.

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Speaker 4: They're giving me a deal in terms of the tickets

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Speaker 4: if they're very well priced for a podcast show in

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Speaker 4: San Francisco. So come support queer art especially not more

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: First of all, that sounds dope. You're calling it a

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Speaker 1: Is it you're gonna say that three fifty three five?

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Speaker 4: A cute little four twenty five in the beginning, and

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Speaker 4: bringing the world together. I actually I brought this out

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I say that looks familiar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's actually kind of maybe that is how

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Speaker 2: I get into gloryholes.

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Speaker 2: They're just handing you like I mean, can you imagine it? Yeah, Like, honestly,

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Speaker 4: And it's a golden gloved hand to Yeah, of course

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Speaker 4: you know, and you see the tensation.

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Speaker 1: This is how the Pokemon catches me.

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Speaker 5: A Pokemon is I got something for you?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares about the golden hand. It's absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot going on, But let me get

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Speaker 2: back to Okay, So Sophie Pod Series of Fortune and

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Speaker 2: the events, how'd you come up with the name? And

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, so I like to highlight and feature what

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Speaker 3: The name, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I've been asked this question a few times, and part

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Speaker 4: of it was shout out my podfather. Your podfather too,

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Speaker 4: were part of the same pod family, Keith Malley from

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Speaker 4: Keith and the Girl, and many many years ago they

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Speaker 4: put out the Guide to Podcasting that like, I literally

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Speaker 4: I had the books because I love the books Series

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Speaker 4: of Unfortunate Events, and shout out the Netflix series.

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Speaker 4: Great and I can't remember exactly what it was that

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Speaker 4: and it all roads lead back to Keith Malley and

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Speaker 5: We would not have had this show if.

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Speaker 2: If I had not heard them, and specifically ironically heard

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Speaker 2: like if it's so.

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Speaker 5: Easy, why don't you do it?

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Speaker 5: How long have you been doing?

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Speaker 4: Sophie pod since twenty seventeen? And funny enough before my

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Speaker 4: I would tell him about drag roasts, and drag roasts

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Speaker 4: And because I come from the school again if this

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Speaker 4: I watched this YouTube show called social Catfish and I've

446
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 4: been watching it and so I've been learning about some

447
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 4: of the ways that catfishing happens. There's different ways, and

448
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 4: so I have that in the back of my mind,

449
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 4: but I'm still kind of naive at this point in

450
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 4: terms of like online dating. I had met a lot

451
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 4: of people over the years through online dating, like I've

452
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 4: been very successful with apps, and so, honestly.

453
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: In a weird way, I think being part of kg

454
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 2: KTG community, yes, would make it actually easier to get

455
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: catfish because we have had so many friendships and people

456
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: that we've met through the Internet to where it's like

457
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 2: who the fuck would be the weird? Oh, who is

458
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 2: lying about who they are? Who the fuck cares who

459
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: you are? Just be yourself? And show up and have

460
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: a good time. So I could see that like actually

461
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: working against you.

462
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you well yes,

463
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 4: And so anyways, I meet this guy on an app

464
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 4: and we go onto what's app. First red flag, even

465
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 4: though some people do use what'sapp, what'sapp very catfish heavy friendly,

466
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: like they love WhatsApp, they love Signal, they love like

467
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: all those things. And so we start messaging and he

468
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 4: was playing the long game. Long story short, it was

469
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: basically what they call a pig butchering scam. And so

470
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 4: what it is is it's a very long con and

471
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 4: he's like messaging me every day and I remember the

472
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 4: first weird one was like, oh, how was your day today,

473
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 4: and like, oh, I met with the CEO and he

474
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: was late, and because he was late, we had to

475
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: like cancel the deal and that means that I have

476
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 4: to pay for Like it was just weird, Like it

477
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 4: was really weird, but like this posturing of like power

478
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: basically I'm now realizing. And then he would send me

479
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: they because I don't even know who they are, they

480
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 4: would send me pictures of like a dinner that they

481
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: went to or like presence they got their niece and

482
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 4: then suddenly they started talking about how they invest on

483
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 4: the side. I also have an investment portfolio right that

484
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: includes crypto, and I'm not dumb about this, and I'm

485
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 4: not new to this, right, which saved me in a way.

486
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: And so he's telling me about you know, but I

487
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: also know that, like, I'm limited in terms of what

488
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 4: I know with crypto, and I've lost money in crypto,

489
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: so like, I'm very like, you know, skittish when it

490
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 4: comes to crypto. Anyways, long story short, he is showing

491
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: me like what he's making on crypto, and he wants

492
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: to teach me, and so he sends me to this

493
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 4: website that is like and mind you, I know about crypto,

494
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: and I know about crypto exchanges, and so let's say

495
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: like chain link, right is like a crypto code. He

496
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: sends me to chain linen dot com and it looks

497
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 4: like an exchange.

498
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: Wow, it's not really.

499
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: And because I watched this social catfish YouTube show, I

500
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 4: know that there's these fake websites that they set up

501
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 4: and you put your money in.

502
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: But long story shirt, you never get it out.

503
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: Right, and it looks like you're making money, and they

504
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: make it look like you're making money but when you

505
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: try to get your money out, they want to charge

506
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: you or they want to this so they like you

507
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 4: never get your money back. And part of it too

508
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: was he was trying to like get me to buy bitcoin,

509
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: and like what I was doing was like because also

510
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: a lot of these apps now know about catfishing and

511
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: like these scams, if you're trying to buy a lot

512
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: of bitcoin, they like kind of slow you down.

513
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 3: And the cat was like no, no, no, hurry up, hurry up, and.

514
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: Was like sending me screenshots with like little circles and

515
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: arrows and like you know, like a and it's like bro.

516
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: And that's part of the thing is that they like

517
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: they try to pressure.

518
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: You and ma to us now.

519
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: And then I was like, hey, this is making me nervous.

520
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't really want to do this right now.

521
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: And then he got mean and he got aggressive, which

522
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: is another part of the scheme. And then along the

523
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: way he had sent me like little intimate pictures and

524
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: like all I had done was kind of like oh

525
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 4: a little like would see like, you know, nothing too crazy.

526
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: He sent those back to me trying to like blackmail me,

527
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: like trying to scare me, and I said.

528
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: I will post that on my Instagram right now. Bro, Yeah,

529
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna you know.

530
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 5: The wrongin He was like, where they say, oh.

531
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Wow, I will post them myself. You're not doing anything special.

532
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 4: But I also know that like people have like killed

533
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: themselves because of threats like that, you know, and like

534
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 4: and so and so. Long story short, I realized at

535
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 4: that point that I'm being catfished.

536
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: I feel.

537
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: I realized at the point that I'm being scammed. I

538
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 4: got really angry for like twenty four hours, and I

539
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: was like, fuck you, you're a scammer, blah blah blah

540
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: da da, and then mind you and again because I

541
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 4: watched this social catfish show, I know that if you

542
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 4: fall enough for a scam, you get put into a database.

543
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 4: Why did that number last year? Try to reach out

544
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: to me talking about what's your dog's name? And whenever

545
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: we're going to hang out? Wow, I get brought up

546
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: in the in the in the roller decks number you

547
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 4: can and this inflation you got on my list that

548
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: I would talk to would know my dog's name.

549
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: A They were like, it's been a year. Let's see

550
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: if she forgot, you know, Let's see if she's Let's

551
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: see if she's drinking again, maybe she's slipping.

552
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: You know.

553
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: I literally checked my phone records to make sure it

554
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: was the same number, and I said, and I texted

555
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: them back and I said, you thought I wouldn't forget about.

556
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: You, right, That's but you know, it's funny too because

557
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: I remember listening to a podcast that was about women

558
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: who get I forget what the type, what the name

559
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: of it was.

560
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 5: There was romance scam. It was a romance scam, and

561
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 5: it was like.

562
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: Accomplished women that were getting romance scammed. And they have

563
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: multiple women that they interviewed on it. And one of

564
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: the biggest problems is that there's a lot of shame

565
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: around it because there's like a I'm too smart and

566
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: to accomplish to have been a person that sent money

567
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: to Nigerian scammer or whatever. So then this epic we

568
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: will never know how many people it really is because like,

569
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: who the fuck is gonna come forward.

570
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 5: And be like it was me? I know, I'm the

571
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: CEO of.

572
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: Such a sound, but it was very shameful, like there

573
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: was a lot of shame of attached to it, and

574
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: these women felt like they couldn't tell anyone in the

575
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: first place. And then also, of course the romantic feelings

576
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: right like you, because in real life, if you're an

577
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: accomplished woman, it's hard to find men that don't have

578
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: some weird ass hang up about like you got more

579
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: than me, or you're doing better than me, or you

580
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: don't quote unquote need me or whatever, right.

581
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 5: And so like life, So finding somebody online that Mike.

582
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel that doesn't make you feel that way and

583
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: just and can it can be like anyway, it can

584
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: be very disarmy, and they're and at the same time

585
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: it's like and maybe I need some help my daughter's

586
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: having and so you're like, yeah, of course I'll help you,

587
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: like you like you don't have a hang up about

588
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: me helping you're not gonna come back, and then bam,

589
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: motherfucker's a catfish.

590
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 5: So I definitely hear like I don't.

591
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you know.

592
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 4: What's wild too, And there's so many layers to these

593
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: types of scams. So and I and I'm realizing now

594
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 4: in real time. So from I'm watching that show, I

595
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: know that sometimes there's this like superhero kind of I'm

596
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 4: labeling it that this superhero scam where this third layer

597
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: scammer comes in like, oh, I can help you get

598
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: your money back. And I cut a clip from a

599
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: podcast of talking about this and I put it on TikTok,

600
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: And every other week there's somebody posting a comment I

601
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 4: can help you get your money back.

602
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: If you've been scammed, I just delete them.

603
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: Wow.

604
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: But you can.

605
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: Tell that it's that third layer of the scam. That's fine,

606
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 4: and it's wild.

607
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: It's wild out here, folks.

608
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cam, were you about to say something?

609
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 6: Oh, I was about to say when you was talking

610
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 6: about the women the romantic scam.

611
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing about it, I realized this. I

612
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: will continue to say this.

613
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 6: Everybody thinks that they above getting got, but everybody gets got,

614
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 6: but everybody wants to pretend like they never got got.

615
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 6: This is and then they want to blame you for

616
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: being a sucker for getting God when at some period

617
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 6: of time, everybody is got by somebody, and that's the problem.

618
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: It's like, it's like, yeah, people should not feel ashamed

619
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 6: for coming in.

620
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: The technology got.

621
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: The technologies also improved.

622
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: I remember when I got got, it wasn't obviously a

623
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: romance scam because I'm like, so, you know, in.

624
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: Love, but they hit me up on.

625
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I was doing a podcast, I got a phone call

626
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: from my bank. According to the call, I d and

627
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is my bank calling for?

628
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: And my bank is you know, the person is on

629
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: the line. They have certain information they've probably gotten off

630
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: of some website or something, so they know enough to

631
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: make me feel like, Okay, this is really a call

632
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: from my bank. And as they're talking to me, they're like, hey,

633
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: so we got this feed that on your account that

634
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: looks like maybe someone charge something that's not right and

635
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: where you know, we just need to verify dada, and

636
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: like I'm just keep in mind. In my mind, I'm

637
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: also freaking out because our podcast is live and so

638
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: like Karen and Justin are code hosting it now without me,

639
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, shit.

640
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: I gotta get back like this like this is important.

641
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 3: You feel that pressure of like, oh I gotta get

642
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: this in right away.

643
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I ended up like doing like giving

644
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: him like whatever the thing was right, and so.

645
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 5: As I'm.

646
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: I think it was like my pen, I think they

647
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: needed my pin number. I think they even had my

648
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: card everything, which is like, hey bank, what the fuck bank? Anyway,

649
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: but I was like I was like, man, they got

650
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: all this information or whatever, and so I give him

651
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: like the pin code I think on the phone, and

652
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes's this and they're like, okay, yeah, so

653
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: we got the fee taking off.

654
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: Don't worry about it, blah blah blah.

655
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: And also I had looked online at my account and

656
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: there was like a mysterious looking fear or whatever, but

657
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: that could have been.

658
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: Which they probably had. They probably charged tried to charge something.

659
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: Right, they tried and it was pending, meaning they probably

660
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: had tried to charge something knowing it was gonna not

661
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: go through because they didn't have my pin number. But

662
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: then as we're doing the show, I'm seeing like, wait,

663
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: now something did go through. Now something else? Yeah, the

664
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: public's in Florida. What the fuck? And so I called

665
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: the real bank and was like what the fuck. And

666
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that's a scam. Now it says something

667
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: about the real bank in our state of society that they.

668
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: Were immediately like, yeah, you got scam. We're giving you

669
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 5: all the money.

670
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Back because we know what you like.

671
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: It was no hassle because and they were like, and

672
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: this is happening a lot. I went to the actual

673
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: bank in person the next day and they were like, oh, yeah,

674
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: this happens all the time. And I was just thinking

675
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 2: all the time, right, and I'm like, dog, we are

676
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: just out here with the wolves. And once again I

677
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: felt a level of shame like oh I got God,

678
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm fucking stupid. I thought I was smart

679
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: and and that's how it and that's how they got me.

680
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: So I just think, like Karen said, a lot of us,

681
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: everybody eventually gets got, but it's the shame around it

682
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: that keeps us from sharing how we get got. And

683
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: it's also the if it hasn't happening yet, it's the

684
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 2: arrogance that it can't happen to you that makes it

685
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: happen like it is everyone who's like I would have

686
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: known I would one day it'll be you.

687
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: But was actively happening yes, Like I was like, I'm

688
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: not gonna get like this can't be.

689
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: This can't be.

690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 6: Like yes, and sometimes it can get so bad out

691
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 6: of people's pride.

692
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: I was watching this documentary.

693
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: It was like this older man and this older woman

694
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 6: and I think it was like their retirement money and

695
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 6: things like that, and their kids kept telling their dad.

696
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: They was like, dad, this is a scam. Stop sending

697
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: this money blah blah blah blah blah. But the dad

698
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 6: has so much pride that he looks like they was

699
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 6: like talking to them kind of after they had lost everything,

700
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 6: and he was and he was like, yeah, I just

701
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 6: had too much pride to the worst myself.

702
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: That I had got scammed.

703
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: I can't you should.

704
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of feel bad for these people,

705
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: because obviously you get scammed and you feel bad for people.

706
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: But I feel like the worst case to have to

707
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: make to get sympathy is the people that get scammed

708
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: because they was trying like fuck somebody on the side

709
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: because that because there was a story with the old

710
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: like that was what's his name to catch a predator,

711
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: did like to catch.

712
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 5: A scammer, Chris Hansen, Chris.

713
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: He did like to catch a scammer or whatever, right,

714
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: And it was short lived, but it was like they

715
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: found this old man. It was like an old couple.

716
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: And the dude was like looking at these like pictures

717
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: of these internet models that someone sent him, like in

718
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: an email, and they were super high, and I'm like, buddy,

719
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: you're seventy.

720
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: I hate to break it to you.

721
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: The nineteen year old supermodel is not randomly emailing you,

722
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: and he like gave her money and everything.

723
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: And so like part of how he got so deep

724
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: was he was.

725
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: Gonna have to confess to his wife and family like

726
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: I was trying. I was flirting with a fucking twenty

727
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: year old a picture of a twenty year old model.

728
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: And now the Life Savings is over there, and I'm like, god, damn,

729
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: I feel terrible, But also like, damn, bro, you you

730
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: was out here.

731
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: You know what's even worse or better or ironically whatever.

732
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: And it happens on social catfish every once in a while,

733
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: because once in a blue moon they'll have like a

734
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: sweet person that you can tell that the hosts kind

735
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: of feel bad for and they're like gonna help. But

736
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: like three out of five is some like old racist

737
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: bitch or asshole that like is talking all kinds of

738
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: like would never want a date, a black person hates

739
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: black people.

740
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: And then like and then the hosts every single time

741
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: it's from Nigeria. It's from Nigeria. You've been talking to

742
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: somebody from night? How does that make you feel?

743
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 4: Which I also don't like how much glee these hosts

744
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: takes and like delivering that information.

745
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: It's smarmy on like all levels.

746
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: But it's it's like those are always a little bit like, well, yeah.

747
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: Now your podcast is like heavily video, like it's Instagram's

748
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: all that stuff. What Like, yes, when you first started

749
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, was it video as well or like no?

750
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no.

751
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 4: The video transition started in The Pandemic with the zoom.

752
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 4: In the beginning, it was just me, my focus right

753
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: and some mics and like I would take it. It

754
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: was very mobile then like I would go to people's

755
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: homes and like record from people's homes and it was

756
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: really nice, very intimate. But yeah, in the Pandemic, I

757
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: started doing them over zoom right, which opened.

758
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: Up the video.

759
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: And then once video happened and I started learning how

760
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: to edit. Yeah, it was literally like Pandora's Box for me,

761
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: Like it opened like a whole, like third eye in my.

762
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: Brain and how to thinking in video?

763
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

764
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, cause, like, do you think

765
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: of your podcast more as a video podcast or audio podcast?

766
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: Like how to?

767
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: Cause I feel like in my lifetime, podcasts change. When

768
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: you say you have a podcast, now people are like,

769
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: what's the YouTube like instead of being like, oh, is

770
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: it on Spotify is it's they're looking for video.

771
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: So I feel like, yes, this.

772
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: If I would have not known you started this in

773
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, I would have thought You've just always had

774
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: a video podcast because it's so natural for you.

775
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: Oh well think why thank you?

776
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, it's interesting because I work from home a

777
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: lot now period since the pandemic gain the pandemic so

778
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: much as like pre pandemic postponement, right, like how much

779
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: of a time marker it is.

780
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: And now that in the last five years I've spent

781
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: so much time.

782
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: At home, working from home, I have YouTube on in

783
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: the background ninety percent of the time, and so YouTube.

784
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: I used to be an Apple podcast consumer because I've

785
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: been listening to podcasts now for almost twenty years, like

786
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: almost as long as Keith and the Girl has been around,

787
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: And so for half of that time, if not more right,

788
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: let's call that sixteen out of the twenty years it

789
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: was audio. It's interesting, right, how much of a pivot

790
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: the video did to it, and how much it like

791
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: hoom like the trajectory of it, because it brings it

792
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: into people's living rooms. It doesn't become so such a

793
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: solo experience. You can sit with your friend and watch

794
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: a podcast, which before it was like you would have

795
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: to be in a car on a car trip to

796
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: listen to a podcast with somebody. So I think it

797
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: it opened up up that aspect of it. And you know,

798
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: credit to like for as much as we hate him,

799
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: like Joe Brogan, right, Like Joe Brogan was the first

800
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: one that kind of like made it like a video thing.

801
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 6: Yes, the other two, but he bought it to the

802
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 6: next level. No matter what you think about him, he

803
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 6: forced people to be like, you can't under.

804
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: And he.

805
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: Literally changed Spotify.

806
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: Yees see, he changed when Spotify bought or whatever they

807
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: did with his podcast, gave him all the money and

808
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: first he came over there and it was like just

809
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: the audio and like his.

810
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: Fans were like what the fuck.

811
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: They had to change it to video, they had to

812
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: add all that comment stuff. And that's because of his influence,

813
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: being probably the biggest podcast in the world.

814
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Right, he was the ja Loo of Spotify.

815
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: He really was. He really was changed.

816
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: I say that because j Loo Google images. You can

817
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: credit j Lo in the dress.

818
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I also credit you know, Logan Paul

819
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: with like his podcast and so like Tricia Paida's with

820
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: her podcast, like they really brought in that like studio

821
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: feeling to it, that production value right, and again once

822
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: I crossed over to a certain point.

823
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: That like I had production value, it just again my

824
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: brain just now thinks that way.

825
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: And it's funny because well, I'm also a photographer since

826
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 4: I was a kid, so I just a I'm an artist,

827
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: like I'm a visual artist. So visual mediums are very

828
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: much my vibe and exclusive exclusive to the black guy

829
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: who tips. I started on the way home. I was

830
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: on the plane. I just did a work trip last week,

831
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: and I was watching an Automodovar movie and he has

832
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: like a very specific style of like photography of how

833
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: he shoots his movies. And the movie I think it's

834
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: like the room next door is the name of the movie.

835
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: It's Tilda Swinton and uh oh god, that redheaded lady.

836
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: Anyways, something about that movie had me in the feels

837
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 4: and I've been processing the some thing lately, and long

838
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: story short, I started writing my first short movie script

839
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: and I'm putting it out there that I'm gonna I

840
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna make that my project for next year.

841
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: Like just the shooting of it, so what I'm gonna

842
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: do for the next six months is like really get

843
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: into the process of like writing a script.

844
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wanna.

845
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: I want to write it, I want to direct it.

846
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to be in it,

847
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm really excited.

848
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm just out here trying to be an artist. Yeah.

849
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: Well, no, I love that you like don't have any

850
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: boundaries when it comes to that, like like think of

851
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: it and be like.

852
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: Let's why not give it a fucking shot? Like who knows?

853
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Forget?

854
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: Nah, it's definitely it's worked out in my favorite in

855
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: my life where it's just been like you want to

856
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: write a TV show and it's like, why not, Maybe

857
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: I can do it, you know what I mean. Like

858
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: the worst thing that happened is I'm back to where

859
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: I started. I'm like, oh, I guess I couldn't do it,

860
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not the end of the world,

861
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's really dope. How do you like

862
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: go about for your show, like picking your guest? Like

863
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: what is it just like personal? Is it like people?

864
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 5: You know? Like how did this start? And I noticed

865
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: you referenced drag culture a.

866
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: Lot, so like was it did you start with like

867
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: I want people to meet these interesting drag people, like

868
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: how did that start?

869
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: Chicken or the egg?

870
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: Right, So, when I first started the podcast, it was

871
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: really just like me and my friends. And at that

872
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: time I was going to drag shows and shooting as

873
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: in like with a camera drag shows, and it became

874
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: a very easy pond to target shoot into for guests,

875
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: and so I started featuring a lot of drag performers,

876
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: local drag performers, which then grew to like local drag icons.

877
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: And then weirdly, and I always hated it, people started

878
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: calling it a drag podcast, and I was.

879
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: Like, no, it's not supposed to be a drag podcast.

880
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: It's just a podcast.

881
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: And so I very started to curate kind of like

882
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: my guests around the fact that it was not a

883
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: drag podcast. But again, my best friend is a queen,

884
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: my drag mother. You know, I do drag every once

885
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: in a while. So it just still is a very

886
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: easy pond to fish in. And it's interesting right because

887
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: I was having a conversation with my trainer, she's twenty five,

888
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: and I was telling her how much her life is

889
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: going to change over time and how much her preferences

890
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: are going to change and what she believes in and

891
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: what motivates her. Because even me, in the last five years,

892
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: things have changed. And I'll be honest, right that, like

893
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: in our last administration, when things were like a little

894
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: kinder and nicer and easier, I was starting to get

895
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 4: a little, you know, a little bit like my mom's

896
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: generation that like, oh, these militant gay friends of mine,

897
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: they're a little too militant. And now that things have

898
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: changed and we are once again, I'm out here militant

899
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: with them, and like, fuck this shit, we're getting militant together.

900
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: And so just even how I have changed in the

901
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: last few years. And so even then, for as much

902
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: as I was like no, no, no, it's not a drag podcast,

903
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: now I'm like, we're out here. Fuck, come to my

904
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: baky hole, let's speak, let's all be gay.

905
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 6: Now.

906
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: There is energy you have to have, Like especially I

907
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: feel like in the time of resistance, like you have

908
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: to turn that energy up. And I feel you on

909
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: that and it's it's it's just so interesting because like

910
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm not in the drag culture that much.

911
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 5: I don't know much about it.

912
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: So women, and it's not for everybody.

913
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, oh, it's not yeah, not negative to it.

914
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: You know. It's like, yeah, some people don't like they're.

915
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: Not into anime. It's not like they hate it, you know.

916
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: And I get it, you know, I start talking about

917
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: fucking bleach or whatever, and they're just like the eyes

918
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: glazed over.

919
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: That's right.

920
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: But like drag culture has blown up in the last

921
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: like ten or so years. I mean obviously RuPaul's drag

922
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: Race like really spawning people into like stars outside of

923
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: the TV show. Uh So, like has that influenced like

924
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: the direction of your show at all? Because I feel,

925
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: you know that that blowing up that might get you

926
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: more clicks, it might get you more attention, you know

927
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: what I mean?

928
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: Why yes, and not in the way that you think it.

929
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: There is there is something counter culture to the counter culture,

930
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: because once counterculture becomes mainstream, then is it counterculture. And

931
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 4: there is a conversation in drag that RuPaul's drag Race

932
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: is amazing, right, but you know, not everybody gets on

933
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: the race. It's just like, you know, people, it's not

934
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: that you're not a football player just because you're not

935
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: in the NFL, right, I was gonna say the NBA,

936
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: I know. And so for example, you know, the local

937
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: club when they book the drag race girl, that check

938
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: is going to have a few more zeros on it

939
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: than the local girl. And so it makes me want

940
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: to give the local ones that much more of a platform,

941
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: and I want to amplify things like Oaklash that much

942
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: more because Oaklash, so, for example, is a nonprofit organization

943
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: that started out as a silly little day party at

944
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: the same time as Sophie Pott. It's funny me and

945
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 4: my dragon brother both have babies at the same time,

946
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: and it started out as a silly day party. But likewise,

947
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: in the pandemic, things changed and it became a nonprofit

948
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: organization because they started raising funds to be able to

949
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: give grants to trans and disabled performers that could not perform.

950
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 4: In the pandemic, not everybody could put a bask on

951
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: and go perform, so people, a lot of them are

952
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: immunal compromised. And now in the era that we're in politically,

953
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: especially in the Bay Area, there's a big divide in

954
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: terms of the conflict that's happening in Gaza and there's

955
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 4: a lot of like what we call like pink dirty

956
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: money in San Francisco, and there's a lot of like

957
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: pink washing of like funds that maybe people that like

958
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: want to back the other side of that conflict. They're

959
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: using their big money to fund gay things in the

960
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: in the Bay Area. And so for example, organizations like

961
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: Oaklash or like the Bad Fund, they'll say, hey, we'll

962
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: give you a grant to say no to that gig.

963
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 4: And so I'm I'm I'm more interested in giving them

964
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: a voice than necessarily the drag race girl, although I'll

965
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: take the drag race girl on my show and day

966
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: because yes, it will give me more clicks.

967
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 2: That is so interesting too, because like I think this part.

968
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have been focused on this,

969
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: like anti DEI, backlash and all that stuff. But yeah,

970
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: I didn't even think the money's gonna go somewhere like

971
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: it is, because for a lot of these companies it's

972
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: charity write outs anyway.

973
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 5: It's like it's literally a line item.

974
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: So it's like we were writing off that we were

975
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: given to Black Lives Matter, but it's got to go somewhere.

976
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's, oh, back to the gays. You know,

977
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: they'll take the money or whatever. And yeah, I didn't

978
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: even think about that. That is uh, that's funny. I've

979
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: never heard of pink wa washing before, but that makes sense.

980
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

981
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: And in an era where because of the DEI pullbacks,

982
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: for example, Sanprcisco Pride lost a lot of its funding

983
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: and they're a little lost in their messaging too because

984
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: they got so corporatized and they got so pink washed.

985
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: And so for example, when we just had oak Lash

986
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, not us San Francisco Chronicle said it.

987
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: Then when Pride is struggling, oak lashes thriving, and it's

988
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: because we are community funded. We take those five ten

989
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 4: twenty dollars from community.

990
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean just like.

991
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: When I was you know, when I was at ol Rio,

992
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 4: you know on Friday with my big titties up front,

993
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: you know when the taos and whether it's two dollars

994
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: or twenty dollars.

995
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, yes not.

996
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: And so I'm very proud of my friends, and I'm

997
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: very proud of of my drag mother malmos so lest

998
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: I love her.

999
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Now you say you do drag, So women do drag

1000
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: too as as well?

1001
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 5: Do you drag as men? Do you drag as women?

1002
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 5: Is it? Do you have a person? So how does

1003
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: it work.

1004
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: I will happily answer this question every single time somebody

1005
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: asks me.

1006
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: So, drag is performance.

1007
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: Art, period, and it's an I like to think of

1008
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 4: it as enhancing something. So there are drag queens, there's

1009
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: drag kings, there's drag creatures. Sometimes there's a performance where

1010
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: like it doesn't even look like a person, it looks

1011
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: like a creature, but they're doing drag. Most of the time,

1012
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: it's a performance art of some sort. You're on a stage,

1013
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 4: you might be lip syncing, you might be singing, you

1014
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: might just be moving. I present as a drag queen

1015
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: because I usually do more of like a feminine presentation,

1016
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: but I also like a little gender fuckery a kind

1017
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: of aspect to it. So, for example, when I did

1018
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 4: drag a couple of weeks ago, I was doing a

1019
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: male song, like a male singer, but like in female presentation,

1020
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: because you know, gender is a construct and we tear

1021
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: it apart, and so I like to think of it

1022
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: as like, look at what the presentation is, not necessarily

1023
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: the body under it, because there's also non binary people, right,

1024
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: and so if you see a prince that looks like

1025
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: a boy, that's a drag king. If you see a

1026
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: beautiful wigged, lashed, red lipped, big tittied person more than

1027
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: likely a drag queen and if they have claws, more

1028
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: than likely a creature.

1029
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: But it's all just performance art at.

1030
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 4: The end of the day, Like these are all nerdy

1031
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: theater kids that just like to craft a little hard.

1032
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: Do you have like a drag persona or is it

1033
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: just like it's still me.

1034
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: Me Cherry or.

1035
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: It's still me MEI Terry. And I'm actually for the

1036
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 4: live show. I'm working on a number that is extra

1037
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: genderfuckery because it's gonna be like a bad bunny mini

1038
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 4: mega mix.

1039
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: And again I like but and and I'm gonna have.

1040
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: Like male kind of vestage but still will have like

1041
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: a very female kind of presentation. I'll shout out Major Hammy.

1042
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: Major Hammy is a drag performer in the Bay Area.

1043
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: They are female bodied, but they do like this very

1044
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: gender fucky kind of like they'll have a mustache but

1045
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 4: like a bra and a garter belt and like a

1046
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 4: tie and you're like, I don't know what you are,

1047
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: but you're hot, and so I kind of like this

1048
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: gender like the kids are doing this very gender fuckery

1049
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: kind of like aspect to drag and I really like

1050
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: it because it's just we're.

1051
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 3: Just playing, We're just having fun and you have it's

1052
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: this theater.

1053
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like like you have a team, you know

1054
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: what I mean? So, like how much work and production

1055
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: and practice and stuff goes into all this stuff? Because

1056
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: I know, like even when you post on Instagram sometimes

1057
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: it'll be like a photo shoot, like it's it's not

1058
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: me posting selviies, Like it's like there must have been

1059
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: people came and I see you're like tagging people to

1060
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: be like this person photography, this person makeup. So like, like,

1061
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: how much of a team effort is all of this

1062
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: stuff you're doing.

1063
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. It depends. So I.

1064
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 4: Because I'm in this building mode, I've been scheduling these

1065
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: like marketing photo shoots and so I just you know,

1066
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: at first it started as like a fun way to

1067
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: like celebrate my weight loss and then also you know,

1068
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: get marketing pictures. But then it also just became kind

1069
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: of like part of the content production machine. And my

1070
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: drag mom is amazing. Anytime I get to work with

1071
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 4: my drag mom, I love it. Nicole, who is.

1072
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: Now I if I want to get rich enough?

1073
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: So that she can just become my photographer and I

1074
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: can just hire her to shoot me all the time.

1075
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: But for example, you know, when I was at rolling

1076
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 4: with the Homos, I like pinged my trainer the week before.

1077
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 4: I was like, what do I need to do to

1078
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: convince you to be on a part of my gig.

1079
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 4: She said nothing. I said, cool, it's Sunday. Can you

1080
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: push me around in a chair? She said okay, And

1081
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: I bought her the outfit. She showed up Sunday morning.

1082
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 4: We rehearsed for an hour. I did all my makeup,

1083
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: I stoned my outfit, Like I actually felt like a

1084
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 4: proper drag queen for the first time because I did

1085
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: my own makeup, I did my own hair, and I

1086
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: stoned my own outfit.

1087
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: Wow, that's not It's just it's like whenever I see

1088
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: the like pictures or whatever, I'm just like, how like

1089
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: this is a production?

1090
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 5: Like this is like it's.

1091
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: Not just like it's not just like show production.

1092
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: There was like a plan, there was like an execution

1093
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: that happened.

1094
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: There were people involved.

1095
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: I have a question, what is just wait till the

1096
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 4: live show, Just wait till the live show?

1097
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 6: What that stone droughtfit means did you put stones on it?

1098
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Did you temper it down?

1099
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: Do you want to vamp for one second?

1100
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 6: Yeah? Okay, she's going to get something because she used

1101
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 6: to see they used that phrase. I was like, that

1102
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 6: means something, and I was like, let me make you

1103
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 6: it means what I think it means, because I might

1104
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 6: think one thing and it could be something else.

1105
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 2: Oh like Ryan stones or like somethingty.

1106
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 5: Okay, that's pretty. That's dope. You did that yourself?

1107
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, by hand, every single little stone.

1108
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: Oh, that's dope.

1109
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1110
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 5: How long did that take?

1111
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Ours?

1112
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 5: Okay? All right? With dedication, that's what it's about, guys, all.

1113
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: Right now I feel like a true drag queen.

1114
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you get to keep that forever, like that's yours.

1115
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's a call that like a unique

1116
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: piece to your ensemble.

1117
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, else can have that.

1118
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I used it in the photo shoot.

1119
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: I performed in it. Yeah, it's going to be part

1120
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: of the rotation now.

1121
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: So for the for the Fitness Journey because you because

1122
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: you alreays you're talking about that too.

1123
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 5: Listen, Okay, we out.

1124
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: Here, we make get games out here, we get games

1125
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: out here.

1126
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: Were Okay, we love it.

1127
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: We love are you getting them legs?

1128
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 5: Like Roger?

1129
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: I call Roger lest the thighs?

1130
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: Y listen, we love to see it. Okay, but like,

1131
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: what was that? What was that like? Was that also

1132
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: part of the hard seventy was hard seventy five?

1133
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 5: Was it like?

1134
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 3: Okay, medium boiled seventy six?

1135
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 5: Okay? Yeah? What what made you like was it?

1136
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: Because it sounded like you were saying, like you you wanted.

1137
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 5: To celebrate your weight loss.

1138
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: So was it a thing where like during the pandemic

1139
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: it slowed down and you were like, Okay, now I'm

1140
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: back out here, or was it something you were always doing?

1141
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 5: How's that going?

1142
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: You know?

1143
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: So the weight thing for me has been like I

1144
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 4: was a very thin and active kid in Puerto Rico.

1145
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: And actually it's interesting, right because I've noticed it's a

1146
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: through line with a lot of people that like, when

1147
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: they come to the States, they gain weight because there's

1148
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 4: something in our food, y'all.

1149
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I came to the States as a.

1150
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 4: Teenager and then my body changed and then I started

1151
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: struggling with my weight, and so ever since I was eighteen,

1152
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 4: pretty much I've been really into fitness. My grandfather was

1153
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 4: a natural bodybuilder. My mom is really thin. But on

1154
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: my other side, my dad's side of the family, like

1155
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: my grandfather looked like Santa Claus and like you know,

1156
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: they would like pile on the food and telling you

1157
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 4: you're too skinny and so while at the same time

1158
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 4: calling you fat because you know Latin people. And in

1159
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: the pandemic, I really fell down the bottle and the

1160
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 4: uber heats rabbit.

1161
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: Hole and like being moving.

1162
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I gained like a good seventy five eighty pounds.

1163
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 4: I'm fifty down on that. I still have like a

1164
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: maybe twenty five to go, but right now I feel good,

1165
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: Like I feel really good about where I'm at with

1166
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: my body.

1167
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: I feel way healthier.

1168
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 4: That's another thing with the catfish is that like I

1169
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 4: was in my heavy kind of like mode and not

1170
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 4: really confident, and like he tried to use that against

1171
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: me too, like oh, calling me fat and stuff, and wow,

1172
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, hell.

1173
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 5: No, that's wow, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's you.

1174
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: Know, it's interesting too because like, at least for me,

1175
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: a part of me like getting like more fit and

1176
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: stuff was getting a team. So it was like, I

1177
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: don't I have to admit I don't know everything and

1178
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: maybe I need a little help motivation and stuff, so

1179
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: like nutritionist, trainer, all that stuff, joining the gym again,

1180
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: and it's and I think for a lot of people

1181
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: it's just like the physical outer stuff, but for me,

1182
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: it's just been a lot of it internally rewarding, like

1183
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: feeling better about yourself, knowing like what your body can accomplish.

1184
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: Because I think also outwardly like a lot of a

1185
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that people see is actually slow

1186
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: like that. Like it's like if I take a picture

1187
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: every time I leave the gym, basically just to be

1188
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: like Bam, I did it, but also like it's not

1189
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: going to change from Tuesday to Wednesday, but yeah, shout

1190
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: out to Facebook memories and stuff. It'll be like remember

1191
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: you from five years ago. And I was like, oh no,

1192
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: I've seen what people saying. I did lose some weight.

1193
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: That was very hard for right to do it.

1194
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 5: He was like.

1195
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, my brain is not very and also

1196
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: I think because my motivation wasn't solely like lose weight

1197
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: as fast as possible with not knocking people whose motivation

1198
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: is that. But you know, I was like, I want

1199
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: to get stronger.

1200
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: I want to gain. I want to gain muscle.

1201
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: I want to get endurance and stuff that, you know,

1202
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: things I haven't had since I used.

1203
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 5: To play basketball five days a week.

1204
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: So a lot of that stuff is coming along, but

1205
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: it can be like a bit of a head trip

1206
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: to go through that. So have you always had a

1207
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: trainer or does that like is your trainer like a

1208
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: new thing on.

1209
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 4: And off over the years, Because in my twenties I

1210
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 4: worked in gyms. I worked at twenty four Fitness, I

1211
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: worked at Club one, I worked at Crunch. I love

1212
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: the fitness industry, and so I've been fit and then

1213
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: gained weight, and then been fit and then gained weight.

1214
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: So like it's been a bit of a yoyo thing.

1215
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 3: So I'm not new to this, but this is.

1216
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 4: The healthiest approach I've done at it because I mean, hello,

1217
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 4: I have gosaise addictive personality, right, and so you can

1218
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 4: that can apply to the gym. Right Like the last

1219
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: time that I was quote unquote super fit, I was

1220
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: working out twice a day, I was barely eating. Like

1221
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 4: that shit is not sustainable either. So now it's about

1222
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 4: finding like a sustainable path and my trainer that I

1223
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: have now she's the one that to me, had like

1224
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 4: that's the healthiest approach. Also to her fitness and to

1225
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 4: how she's training me, because she pushes me right. Like

1226
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 4: there's time like when she she'll have me out here

1227
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: deadlifting I don't know, like one hundred something pounds.

1228
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what you want me to do that?

1229
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: What She's like, you can?

1230
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: But then when I'm like my knee hurts, She's like, Okay,

1231
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: let's stop, you know what I mean. And so I

1232
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: appreciate that that she's not out here like trying to

1233
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 4: get a big.

1234
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: Thing, honestly, And I think it's important to note that

1235
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: because I think two things. One, there's many trainers guys,

1236
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: So if you're thinking about it, you're out here, like, man,

1237
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm intimidated by.

1238
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: You're hiring them, not the other way around.

1239
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if it's somebody that's putting you into an

1240
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: uncomfortable place or a place where you're like breaking your

1241
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: body down or hurting yourself, you can always be like

1242
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: I don't like this and I want to find someone else.

1243
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: But two, my trainer has been such a beautiful like

1244
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: God send to that part because she's one she doesn't

1245
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: push me to like hurt myself like, which is like

1246
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: a huge thing, but because, if anything, I realized how

1247
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: much internally I am a type A person. And you

1248
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: know something I've never wanted to accept about myself because

1249
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, cool, I'm super chill.

1250
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 5: Like fuck that, but I'm cool. We can just do anything,

1251
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 5: it don't matter.

1252
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: But then, like I right, I found that it was

1253
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: my voice that was fucking me up.

1254
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: Like she'd be like, oh, your knee is hurting.

1255
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: Maybe do the walk, do walks and not walks, do

1256
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: a bike instead of walks, do like the one where

1257
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: you sit down or whatever.

1258
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay cool.

1259
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: But in my brain I'm like the two days later,

1260
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not no bitch.

1261
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 5: I can go for a walk. It's just a fucking walk.

1262
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: I can't walk. Oh I think I will walk.

1263
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: And then later my knees on fire, and I'm like,

1264
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: she was right. I probably shouldn't have walked. She didn't

1265
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: tell me to walk, And now I have to come

1266
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: in here next week and face her and be like, yeah,

1267
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: so my knee still fucked up.

1268
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 5: I took that walk that you said not the tape.

1269
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: And I remember one time she went on vacation for

1270
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: like a week or something. I had to come up

1271
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: with my own thing for that week, and I'm like

1272
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 2: I was I was actually jazzed about it. I was like,

1273
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: because you know, in their mind, they're like, oh, this

1274
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: person's gonna feel like we didn't do our meetings, so

1275
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: did they not get their money that week?

1276
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: I was like, no, fuck that.

1277
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: I've been using you to learn how to do this.

1278
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: I know now I see the matrix. I'm gonna fucking

1279
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: put together a workout. And I put together this fucking

1280
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: workout and I and like, I'm like in my brain

1281
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: like she gonna.

1282
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 5: Be when I get back, she gonna be like, what

1283
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 5: you was doing? What?

1284
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: Because I'm I'm lifting so much, I'm doing so much

1285
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: first time doing it on my own. I like my

1286
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: fucked my whole knee up, just like I was pushing

1287
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: the the sled.

1288
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 5: I had too many plays.

1289
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: It was like I was just like thinking I was

1290
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: fucking gonna be in the he Man Olympics and so

1291
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: and so. You know, I told her all this. She

1292
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: was like, why why why are you doing that? And

1293
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, well, you know, I wanted

1294
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: to like show that I could really like pushing myself

1295
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: and do this. She was like, no, that's not what

1296
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: we're doing here. The plan is for you to do,

1297
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: not for you to do.

1298
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 5: The plan is for you.

1299
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: To be able to do something enough times the right way,

1300
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: not for like, pushing something three hundred pounds one time

1301
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: means shit, That means absolutely nothing. Pushing something one hundred

1302
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: and fifty times twelve times in the perfect form and

1303
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 2: being able to do that four times in a day,

1304
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: that's that's the workout. And so but anyway, all that

1305
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: stuff to say, like I think it, at least in

1306
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: my mind before I got a trainer, I thought trainers

1307
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: are like the montage in Fucking Rocket where the guys.

1308
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 5: Like chase the chickens your pitch, yes, do that shit,

1309
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 5: Like I got that's what they were doing. And it's

1310
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 5: not that at all.

1311
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: Well, and I'll tell you this because I've had so

1312
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: many trainers, I've had the full gamut.

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Speaker 3: You also will have trainers that don't push you enough.

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Speaker 4: I say all that to say that trainers are trainers,

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Speaker 4: and they're just another person on a journey to help you.

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Speaker 4: And there's ten thousand modalities like I use on an

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Speaker 4: app when I don't work with my trainer. I have

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Speaker 4: an app on the iPhone called the Ladder app. I

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Speaker 4: highly recommend it. I've used a lot of fitness apps.

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Speaker 4: It's the closest thing to having a personal trainer. And

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Speaker 4: you pick like a team, and the coaches have different

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Speaker 4: modalities and so like the modality that I use, she

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Speaker 4: combines pilates and fitness training. There's other modalities that combine

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Speaker 4: yoga and fitness training. There's another modality that's like just kettlebells.

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Speaker 4: So like, you find what you like, and you and

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Speaker 4: when it comes to fitness, it has to be something

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Speaker 4: that you like, whether it's dancing or swimming or weights.

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Speaker 3: Or kettlebells or pilates or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Find what you like and then find the trainer that

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Speaker 4: does that modality.

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Speaker 5: M that's okay, learn something new, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: And then also of course, like get you some video

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Speaker 2: editing and stuff, so y'all can like post all workouts

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Speaker 2: and look cool.

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Speaker 5: Like Memi Cherry does.

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Speaker 2: Like she's always doing the like bam, I did this one,

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Speaker 2: and then we did this, and now I'm.

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Speaker 5: Doing these like okay, I'll see you out here, you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I think I started posting mine After that, I was like,

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Speaker 2: these are I gotta give my I gotta show I'm

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Speaker 2: in here doing it too. Okay, I know how to

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Speaker 2: set up a camera.

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Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta trypod.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I gotta wait. I like that this is

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Speaker 2: all you need, you just need now, Okay. Honestly, I'll

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Speaker 2: be in their ghetto tripid on it. I'd be like

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Speaker 2: setting up like just wait. I'm like if I put

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Speaker 2: this block up against this weight and I wait till

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Speaker 2: everybody leave.

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Speaker 3: But I still I'm still resourcefulness.

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Speaker 5: Come on, okay, I'm still shy too.

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Speaker 2: I wait till they leave, Like I don't really don't

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Speaker 2: do it When too many people in the gym with me,

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, I'm in here working by myself, so

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Speaker 2: now let me do it. But whenever it's other people,

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, look at you walking through my shot.

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna walk through my shot like that.

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Speaker 5: Okay? Player. So the bake? When is the bake coming

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Speaker 5: up again?

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Speaker 4: August seventh, San Francisco Oasis Nightclub. We're doing the cabaret

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Speaker 4: style in the big room.

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Speaker 3: I have the Big room kids.

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Speaker 4: We're bringing comedy, drag, silly podcast games.

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Speaker 3: The Bay areas first reverse roosts.

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Speaker 2: I put the link in the in the chat. The

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Speaker 2: link will also be in the show for people to

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Speaker 2: get their tickets. I think, yeah, no, of course, I mean,

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Speaker 2: like it's so easy, and like, uh, what, like what

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Speaker 2: exactly like do you plan on doing for people to

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Speaker 2: like lift them up with this bake? Like can you

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Speaker 2: give me an example of a bake joke? Like what

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Speaker 2: would you say to somebody that that's the opposite of

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Speaker 2: a roast? Because I feel like roast We've seen so

1375
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Speaker 2: many it's just so easy to be like this mean thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what I would say nice to somebody.

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Speaker 5: Like the concept is blowing my mind.

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Speaker 4: The thing about the bake is that it's nice in

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Speaker 4: a county way. So Rod, how fucking dare you be

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Speaker 4: so kind to me and have such a fucking beautiful

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Speaker 4: wife like Karen Next to Karen, I really truly don't

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Speaker 4: understand how you can sit next to this wonderful, wonderful

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Speaker 4: may day after day and do this wonderful pod.

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Speaker 3: I like this guy who too.

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 5: I hope I hope this catches on.

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody starts doing bas We need this baby,

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Speaker 2: we need baked culture. In the in the world right now,

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Speaker 2: we too much you coming, and it's gonna.

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Speaker 4: Be very easy for me because I have a very

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Speaker 4: talented cast. Oh by the way, we just started rolling

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Speaker 4: out the cast announcements.

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Speaker 3: Announcement, the cast announcements.

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Speaker 4: So please stay tuned to my social media mimitarry I

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Speaker 4: G on Instagram. I just announced the first cast member,

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Speaker 4: Local Icon legend Nicole Dissington, a k a. Nikka Jes,

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Speaker 4: Host of Reparations that's San Francisco Oasis Black Excellence in

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Speaker 4: a wig with a wig under a wig with a

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Speaker 4: wig under a wig.

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Speaker 3: Breaker of tops, drinker of uh well things.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, this is the only this is the worst

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Speaker 2: part about me not being in the drag culture is

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Speaker 2: the pun names is exactly my bag, Like, if nothing else,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I could have done that I was

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if y'alluys remember that cartoon Saturday Morning Cartoons.

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Speaker 2: Called like Cops Ords. I think it was called Cops

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Speaker 2: dot Ops or whatever anyway it was. It wasn't good.

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Speaker 2: But the villain names, the villain names on those cartoons,

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Speaker 2: those could all be great drag queen names.

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Speaker 5: Misdemeanor is fucking that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Like there were so there were just like so many

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Speaker 2: stuff like that, even like Captain Planet, like Haugast Greeley.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe they were slipping it in at the time.

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Speaker 2: We just didn't know they was like, listen, we got

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Speaker 2: some great drag names, but we don't know what to

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Speaker 2: do with them.

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Speaker 5: Make them in the kids cartoon villains. They're the coolest

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Speaker 5: part of the show. Anyway. Me me te tell people where.

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Speaker 2: To find you and how to you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: how to become a listener to Sophie.

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Speaker 4: You can find me at Seriesofortunate Events dot com or

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Speaker 4: s O F E p o D dot com. If

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01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 4: on Instagram, Mimi Cherry ig because somebody stole it's some

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Speaker 4: kid that's like sitting on it. She's posted like eight

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Speaker 4: things you never posted as the.

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Speaker 6: Most frustrating, right, you're not doing anything with it exactly.

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Speaker 3: And also follow my baking journey. I just started a

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Speaker 3: little batch.

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Speaker 4: Company, and yes, as an a little batch there's small

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Speaker 4: batch items. I'm launching the micro bakery very very soon,

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Speaker 4: so stay tuned for that. If you're in the Bay area.

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Speaker 4: Definitely follow because you can actually buy them from me,

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Speaker 4: or even if you're not, I am going to start

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Speaker 4: making things that I can send in the mail. My

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Speaker 4: ADHD is getting the best of me. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 4: your showback.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, we'll have to have you back, like this

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01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: is cool, like to do our first interview or introduce

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: people to the audience, but we'll have to have you

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: back and play games, yes, and play games pop culture

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: and TV shows and and all that type of stuff

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: because I definitely want to pick your brain about some

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01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: of that stuff. And yeah, thanks for having us. Well,

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on on me. We'll be back throughout

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Speaker 2: the week. Thank you, and make sure you guys check

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Speaker 2: out me Me Cherry.

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Speaker 5: Until next time, I love you, I love you too.

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Speaker 3: Tip