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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Et stay here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. And it is
Speaker 1: a Tuesday here at the Star in Frisco. It's the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the New Orleans Saints on Sunday night. We
Speaker 1: get you set for that as we go forward our
Speaker 1: first tacoless Tuesday of the year. And uh, I am
Speaker 1: Bill Jones alone with Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips and Brian
Speaker 1: brought us. What's on your mind on a Tuesday morning?
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out how this Saint team is going
Speaker 1: to attack this Dallas defense with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to figure out because I you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm jumping right into this thing. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'm jumping right in because to me, man, this I
Speaker 1: think always catch a huge break. I'm not captain obvious here,
Speaker 1: I know, but without Drew Brees, but they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: play differently offensively I think I think they're going to
Speaker 1: really lean on the salmon Kamara, and they're going to
Speaker 1: really lean on Michael Thompson to see if Dallas is
Speaker 1: good enough to stop them. Well, that's what they did
Speaker 1: against Seattle, and they total to hole two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five yards of offense. Mickey's been done some research
Speaker 1: already this week if you want, But are they good enough?
Speaker 1: But there's Dallas good enough to stop both of those
Speaker 1: guys though, Mickey, if it does, if it does come
Speaker 1: down to that, well, Seattle, I know they were playing
Speaker 1: at home. Sure, they stopped them with nineteen points, right,
Speaker 1: fourteen of them were on or thirteen because they missed
Speaker 1: the extra point. So you have to feel good. We're
Speaker 1: on returns, right, Yeah, So you feel good about this
Speaker 1: defensive touchdown return in a punt return touchdown to start
Speaker 1: the game off. Yeah. Yeah. So from an offensive standpoint, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kamara is a load. Yeah. I mean he touched the bald.
Speaker 1: I think I added up twenty five times for one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one yards. That was more than half
Speaker 1: their offense from a yardage standpoint. Teddy Bridgewater didn't beat Seattle.
Speaker 1: He was he didn't he didn't make any mistake. That
Speaker 1: did his job. Yeah, that touchdowns, no interception, one yard
Speaker 1: touchdown throw okay, and I've screen passed it was all Kamara,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like he lit him up. It definitely
Speaker 1: starts with Alvin Kamara as we saw last year, and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis did a great job with like eight snaps
Speaker 1: against him. But Brian and I are talking to this
Speaker 1: before the show started. Starter. Now, right, he's getting a lot.
Speaker 1: He had twenty five touches in this game. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they still line him up everywhere. I mean, he's they're
Speaker 1: featured back now, but I've I've gotten through the first
Speaker 1: half of the seat game. You line them up in
Speaker 1: a bunch formation, line him up out wid yeah, screen
Speaker 1: with Blockerman front Roma screen, he's in the eye formation.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy. He's the guy. Once again
Speaker 1: that you got to be able to say, would you
Speaker 1: would you take it right now? If you gave up
Speaker 1: nineteen points to the Saints? Could I score more than nineteen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'm asking you is nineteen is that? Yeah? Absolutely
Speaker 1: take that. I take nineteen if you if defensively We've
Speaker 1: talked about that. Rod Marinelli in this bunch. They would rather,
Speaker 1: they would rather give up limited points. And I don't
Speaker 1: care about the yards. You think you can guarantee that
Speaker 1: the Saints that usually play a lot better at home,
Speaker 1: we're only going to get nineteen points on offense. Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 1: they it's Teddy Bridgewater. Well, I started games in the league.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I wouldn't act like he's, you know,
Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie coming in here playing. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: no different, It's offense different with them, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: asking It is different. Yeah, ball didn't go down the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's what That's what I'm saying. Rob. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to attack you on this point. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that this team, what how if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: how do you prepare? Is it is? It? Is it? Okay,
Speaker 1: We're gonna focus on Alvin Kamara and say, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: take our chances that are recorded. Do you have enough
Speaker 1: faith in your cornerbacks to line up and take Thomas
Speaker 1: and again potentially out of this game, or do you
Speaker 1: focus completely on taking Kamara out of this game? You
Speaker 1: got to focus on him for sure, because if it breeze,
Speaker 1: it Breeze is playing and now we're gonna need to
Speaker 1: score thirty one points. In my mind, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to need I mean yeah, but the fact
Speaker 1: that they had a punt return, had a fumble return,
Speaker 1: that's those are camping seen that from the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: we and their special teams are excellent too. I mean
Speaker 1: the stal position was flipped entirely. I got a field
Speaker 1: goal kicker. Make him from that middle that Saints logo.
Speaker 1: He can make field goals from there. So if they
Speaker 1: cross into midfield, get ready for that and they're putter
Speaker 1: two can pinions. Yeah, Mart, that's right. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: pretty good in the game. See that's I think this
Speaker 1: is where this is. If you're the Cowboys, you know
Speaker 1: you can say, okay, you got to stop one. But
Speaker 1: they did a great job last year playing this game
Speaker 1: and stopping a bunch a bunch of guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: they go, they harassed, they harassed. Is that the best
Speaker 1: this defense has played since? I mean, is this call
Speaker 1: the last time the defense this team played better than that?
Speaker 1: Is there a game in the opposition? Yeah? Is there
Speaker 1: a game that they've played better? And even last year
Speaker 1: this year, is there a game they played better than
Speaker 1: defensively than that game. Is that the best that we've
Speaker 1: seen him play considering who the quarterback was? Absolutely hate
Speaker 1: I hate playing that. I'm so this quarterback and the
Speaker 1: guy next week, you know, the two guys back to back,
Speaker 1: just like you wake up, You're like, oh God, not
Speaker 1: these guys and the Rams not too far down. Yeah
Speaker 1: with the rams Cat. I can deal with that Rams Cat.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, I'm just saying, no, bless you, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I need mic not really. You just turned your head
Speaker 1: like you're the doctor. Yeah yeah, doctor office or something
Speaker 1: like that, you know. I feel, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: though that that this game will hinge on the offense,
Speaker 1: the Dallas's offense with the Cowboys defense in this game,
Speaker 1: who will it hinge on? Who will the Who will
Speaker 1: the game hinge on? Because the last time they played
Speaker 1: last year, it hinged on the Dallas defense being able
Speaker 1: to play absolutely now without Drew Brees on the field. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: because if you if you scored thirty one points, you're
Speaker 1: gonna win this football game. And I think it probably
Speaker 1: hinges more on the Dallas defense. But I just I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you go into the Superdome it's a different
Speaker 1: it's a different question story I question. I just expect
Speaker 1: their whole team to play better than they did, especially
Speaker 1: two weeks ago and even last week in Seattle. That's
Speaker 1: impressive win no matter how you do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know though, that the home field
Speaker 1: advantage makes your cornerbacks play better or your linebackers play better.
Speaker 1: They couldn't cover more, was getting toasted. Yeah, you realize
Speaker 1: Lockett had eleven catches for one hundred and fifty four yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the big difference Seattle. He's still their best player.
Speaker 1: I would attack me personally, I'd attack the other guy.
Speaker 1: But Mickey brings up a point. He brings up a
Speaker 1: point about Lattimore playing that off coverage. Though that's kind
Speaker 1: of not their tea. They had a lot of they had.
Speaker 1: I mean, they need to get up tight and play
Speaker 1: on you. But Mickey makes a point, Martial, I mean,
Speaker 1: Saddle's offense wasn't that good. Wilson was running for his
Speaker 1: life half the game. I thought, Yeah, how much of
Speaker 1: that late was though? Late? They were they were behind
Speaker 1: in the game, last touchdown, mean they had, they were down,
Speaker 1: they were scrambling. I think at one point. It was
Speaker 1: twenty seven to seven. Yeah, they were still playing on
Speaker 1: that last drive when they scored the untimed touchdown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were still they were still grinding. Yeah, I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying about Lattimore. I don't take my chances
Speaker 1: with him. I think Apple's the guy you attack in
Speaker 1: this one. I think, I guess said I think Von
Speaker 1: von Bell and PJ. Woods. I mean, if the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if anything we've seen with this Cowboys offenses, they like
Speaker 1: to work the middle of that field, and if those
Speaker 1: two safeties aren't going to cover, playing coverage or helping
Speaker 1: coverage by all means to continue to attack, or if
Speaker 1: they're going to back off the way Miami did, then
Speaker 1: he leave the middle of the field open. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that. I think this offense has got to be
Speaker 1: the key, the key. The key, the key will be
Speaker 1: the offense scoring and be able to block their front,
Speaker 1: because I think their front's pretty good. That's that's good,
Speaker 1: good analogy, right, if you can block them and give
Speaker 1: your quarterback time because uh, Wilson had no time whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I didn't count how many times
Speaker 1: he ran the ball, right he was running for his
Speaker 1: life mostly that's kind of the way he plays. And
Speaker 1: they called a bunch of run plays for him too.
Speaker 1: Had seven carries for fifty one yards and two touchdown
Speaker 1: and I'll guarantee you five of them where he's just
Speaker 1: trying nothing in the pocket through fifty passes through for
Speaker 1: four hundred yards. You run the ball this game, you
Speaker 1: try and you try and attack it that way, or
Speaker 1: do you need to stay aggressive and and and continue
Speaker 1: to do what you're doing. I think you just try
Speaker 1: to do both. I mean, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: the best thing they do is build off of their
Speaker 1: running game first, their play action cooking, get the RPOs going,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um help you with the crowd noise
Speaker 1: a little bit. Running the ball, absolutely, that's going to
Speaker 1: play it. But but the the opponent already knows the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can run the ball, and so you don't have
Speaker 1: to run the ball first. You can throw the ball
Speaker 1: first because they're they're defending the run to start the
Speaker 1: game too. You don't have to establish the run yet.
Speaker 1: Got a veteran quarterback, veteran offensive line express crowd boys
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a problem, shouldn't There's there's gonna be rhetorical.
Speaker 1: There's there's gonna be Cowboy fans as it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's a Sunday night. Probably. I leaned towards the Dallas
Speaker 1: defense as the biggest key here and and getting a
Speaker 1: couple stops early and trying to take the crowd out
Speaker 1: of it. Can they play the way they have the
Speaker 1: last three weeks and win this game? The defense? The defense?
Speaker 1: Mickey say that again? Can they play? Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: I thought I was getting something on Paris. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: Jack Black question to you there? Yeah, well you could
Speaker 1: talk to Mickey. I always talked to Mickey Cowboys. Cowboys
Speaker 1: can play on defense the way they last three weeks
Speaker 1: and win this football game. Can they play? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: sorry I was They can't as they eliminate the last
Speaker 1: drives in those first two games score defense. So if
Speaker 1: they play the way they did in the second half
Speaker 1: last week, they will win this game. Yeah. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: gave up sixty five yards absolutely no points. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though, man, and the pressure was better. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get after Teddy Bridge. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You are going to the Rams got after him when
Speaker 1: he came into the game. And I know we didn't
Speaker 1: have any time to prepare pair. Yeah, but when he
Speaker 1: went in that game, it was about Clay Matthews. It
Speaker 1: was about Donald, it was about it was it's just rush, rush, rush, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's about hit him, knock him around, effect passes. May
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that the Rams played well in the
Speaker 1: second ary in that game. Let's see what what what
Speaker 1: Seattle's Seattle thought the same thing. And then they countered
Speaker 1: it with all those little dump off passes and screen
Speaker 1: passes and dumps over the middle and lots of Camara, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all to Kimara. Yeah. Seattle linebackers supposed to be
Speaker 1: pretty good, aren't they, And that's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: pretty good linebacker. They weren't fast enough. Not Yeah, not
Speaker 1: for it. He just runs through tackle trying to think
Speaker 1: which which guy said it? Uh, I can't remember who
Speaker 1: said it, but it was maybe it was Bridge Rotter.
Speaker 1: About Camara, he said it was like playing with a joystick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watching him bounce. He know many catches he had like
Speaker 1: the week before against the Rams, M one. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did a great job that Rams. The Rams have got
Speaker 1: a lot of speed on defense, and they've got big rushers.
Speaker 1: Up front and they tackle well the tact right, So
Speaker 1: go study what Wade did. Wait, wait, it's pretty good
Speaker 1: DC by the one. If we haven't guessed the other day,
Speaker 1: it might not be a very good head coach, but
Speaker 1: he's a really good DC. Ye haven't tried, Ye? So big?
Speaker 1: How big is the difference between Breeze and Bridgewater. It's
Speaker 1: a big difference. Okay. I can't I understand the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback is not in the game this Sunday
Speaker 1: for for the Saints, But I do trust Sean Payton
Speaker 1: to put his quarterback in the right spots. And I
Speaker 1: think having a couple of games now, one full game
Speaker 1: is going to help him. He's gotting worried. Played together,
Speaker 1: he's got to be worried though. Can he score enough point?
Speaker 1: I absolutely, that's a that's a valid point. It's it's
Speaker 1: not trying to frustrate you here, Rob, No, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I think it is going to be on this
Speaker 1: Dallas defense to pick up where they left off it
Speaker 1: basically like Bill said it half and I think some
Speaker 1: of the talk about they didn't get any pressure on
Speaker 1: Roads and they were around him in the first half
Speaker 1: two but they really cranked it up. Robert Quinn getting
Speaker 1: back is such a huge factor for this defense, and
Speaker 1: we'll see what they can do with their other linemen.
Speaker 1: I don't know how good it's looking for Woods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so who's getting back this week? To answer your question? Oh, okay, Bridgewater?
Speaker 1: How wide's the Mississippi River. I've crossed it a few times.
Speaker 1: I've crossed it. You know that to me? I yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to? You want to again? I'm not cheering
Speaker 1: for injury, I'm but trust me. I. Hey, if guys
Speaker 1: don't play it, as long as it's not career ending,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. No, Drew. Hey, if Aaron Rodgers wants to
Speaker 1: sit out next week, I'm okay with that too. You know,
Speaker 1: I have no it's a fan you ought to, you
Speaker 1: know you you don't want them to, don't want to
Speaker 1: be you know, career ending. But if they don't play
Speaker 1: your a week, they don't play your week. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though. Hey, the cowboy is not going to
Speaker 1: play with the Michael Gallup. That's a Michael Gallup did
Speaker 1: a nice job against these guys last year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's a huge thing to me because Mickey was
Speaker 1: talking about Lattimore. If Lattimore goes out there in stinks
Speaker 1: against Cooper, they're likely to lose this game. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, Cooper got there and make plays.
Speaker 1: But if Lattimore all of a sudden is able to cover,
Speaker 1: and now you get you get Cob and Smith not
Speaker 1: winning their one on one battles, all things could be
Speaker 1: pretty equal here, you know. So you know, keeping Gallop
Speaker 1: out of this game is a big loss with the
Speaker 1: Cowboy I thought I thought Miami did a pretty good
Speaker 1: job against the Cowboys receivers in the first half, um
Speaker 1: limiting them, limiting them. I mean, Cooper had his chances.
Speaker 1: He was just outstanding overall on the game. But you
Speaker 1: know they're best players that we forget. The Cooper drop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the thing. I mean, we talked about how
Speaker 1: Miami missed some chances in the first half. That was
Speaker 1: another miss one for the cow You know why he
Speaker 1: dropped it though, right the safety was approaching quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked up in the middle of the field real quick.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting now when things click and you're converting
Speaker 1: third downs and stuff, the drops don't matter now. Or
Speaker 1: the seventy four yard touchdown pass. Yeah, I mean in
Speaker 1: the seventy four yarder gets called back, and you overcome that.
Speaker 1: When the offense is clicking like this offense is right now,
Speaker 1: you can overcome penalties or drops or whatever. And that
Speaker 1: I think is the biggest difference between what the Saints
Speaker 1: have faced last week and even the Rams the week before.
Speaker 1: Is the way this Cowboy's offense is playing right now.
Speaker 1: Now can they continue it? Dennis Allen has to be
Speaker 1: worried about Dallas running the football he does, He does
Speaker 1: have to be worried about. Okay, I'm gonna take the
Speaker 1: crowd noise out of this. I'm gonna put that prescotted situation.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to expose even though the line has
Speaker 1: done a great job with pass protection. Mickey's right about
Speaker 1: this defense. I think the strength of it is as
Speaker 1: a guy's like the Cameron Jordan's and guys like that
Speaker 1: that are able to rush up the field and cause problems.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if Dallas can run the football with Elliott
Speaker 1: and Pollard in this game and kind of just grind
Speaker 1: it out, grind it out, and I know fans out
Speaker 1: there will probably go, how cheez, it's not pretty, it's
Speaker 1: not whatever, You're just trying to get a win against
Speaker 1: these guys. Sure that then would be just yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not We're not playing you know, we're not playing Alabama
Speaker 1: this week for style points or whatever. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: we're trying. You're trying to go out there and fight
Speaker 1: for inches in a hostile environment. You know. I agree.
Speaker 1: They asked Jerry this morning, would you rather have Drew
Speaker 1: Brees play so you can get a better Gaye test
Speaker 1: for your team? How good it is? Shut up? And
Speaker 1: it was like, seriously, I'm so glad he and again,
Speaker 1: I hope they affect teddy Bridge was just wait a
Speaker 1: week because Jerry and then Jerry and then Jerry said, well,
Speaker 1: you know everybody's got injuries, and you know we got
Speaker 1: injuries too, So yeah, can't you feeling sorry for anybody? Okay,
Speaker 1: hound the ball as much as I say, though, this
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense is playing so well, Yeah, who have the
Speaker 1: Cowboys played? It doesn't matter to me, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You only play your schedule, but they didn You can
Speaker 1: only play your skis. But they did what they should
Speaker 1: have done against those teams. Yeah, I mean that's the
Speaker 1: Redskins have given up now after losing last night, they
Speaker 1: lost thirty one to fifteen. Last night they get up
Speaker 1: thirty one to the Cowboys and they lost to the
Speaker 1: Eagles thirty two to twenty seven. The Giants gave up
Speaker 1: thirty one to Tampa and Sunday they gotta win, they
Speaker 1: gotta win. And who else did they play? I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but anyway, yeah, Buffalo is undefeated. And then Miami gave
Speaker 1: up fifty nine, forty three and thirty one. So you
Speaker 1: can only play your schedule. Take that away from it.
Speaker 1: But now, like I said yesterday, the preseason's over and
Speaker 1: now we see what they've really got. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: to see him scoring points and moving the football. I'm
Speaker 1: happy that, you know, defensively with Quinn, Rob said it.
Speaker 1: With Quinn, it gives them a different element as the
Speaker 1: pass rush. I think we'd think differently about this defense
Speaker 1: if Jeff Heath had made a couple of interceptions, if
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods had to drop the ball, I think we'd
Speaker 1: feel differently about this defense with some of the things.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna here and blow smoke everybody and say
Speaker 1: it's perfect by any means, because it's not. We'll see
Speaker 1: how if Tenny Bridgewater goes out there and lights the
Speaker 1: Cowboys up and they lose because of that. Then you
Speaker 1: come back and say, okay, well, Aaron Rodgers next week,
Speaker 1: this could be a real problem for the team. And
Speaker 1: that's the other thing as far as the offense goes.
Speaker 1: When you're playing against a Giants team and a Redskins
Speaker 1: team and a Saints team that are our Dolphins team
Speaker 1: that aren't a threat offensively, it's a different ball game
Speaker 1: than when you're playing again, even against the Saints team
Speaker 1: without Breeze, okay, because we've already seen what they can
Speaker 1: do without breeze, right, and then the Packers the following week.
Speaker 1: There's just a pressure that builds that, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: to score points this week. You got to score points.
Speaker 1: But you also you have to find a way to
Speaker 1: get those turnovers. If you have opportunities and you can't
Speaker 1: get holding penalties on seventy two yard touchdown place you
Speaker 1: can't have it, or you can't get a holding penlly
Speaker 1: on an eighteen yard run. Right, You can make up
Speaker 1: for that when you're playing the Giants Redskins. You can't
Speaker 1: make it up when you're playing the Saints. Especially, possessions
Speaker 1: are so vital in these games. That's just that's just
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Collins held that guy. I thought it
Speaker 1: was the guy was in such bad body position the
Speaker 1: defender that he had no choice. He just he just
Speaker 1: steamrolled them. Well, he had his hands inside that the
Speaker 1: close up shot showed he had his hands inside. But again,
Speaker 1: the Dolphin defender was in was in such bad position
Speaker 1: that you know, sometimes you get caught yourself in bad
Speaker 1: position because they're in such bad position. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Body position was bad. Holding calls down across the league.
Speaker 1: After a conference call apparently from Al river on to
Speaker 1: the officials saying that after Tom Brady said that there's
Speaker 1: to be holding calls, Coos Cowboys still had three of them,
Speaker 1: right right, Apparently this crew wasn't on the conference call.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, there were a million of them. He
Speaker 1: just needed to play the opener against the Texans and
Speaker 1: it was a war. And yeah, okay, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't mean more came back in Houston, the Rams and Seahawks. Seahawks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they got the twenty eighth ranked defense. Yeah, Houston
Speaker 1: went after him. Houston made some Houston made some great
Speaker 1: plays down the field. I mean picked the game, go
Speaker 1: ahead pick the game. What's that? I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be? Mickey's calling for a big route.
Speaker 1: I warned you last week it wasn't gonna be hard,
Speaker 1: didn't I. It's just it's just funny for my position
Speaker 1: when Mickey says something this smile though on Rob's face.
Speaker 1: We need to have h dual cameras here like that
Speaker 1: split screen. Everybody gets job. Yeah, so all right, just
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Speaker 1: you know, and they're asking about is something wrong with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? Can I get your opinions on what you
Speaker 1: guys have seen from Jalen Smith as a player so far?
Speaker 1: And I and I've got I know, I've got my
Speaker 1: answer for that. That sarreo. But I'll let you guys start.
Speaker 1: But they wanted to know, is something wrong with you?
Speaker 1: And I know something physically is not wrong with him
Speaker 1: because I asked, But I just wondered if you guys
Speaker 1: saw something differently. No, I mean I said it on
Speaker 1: the show yesterday. They have a good linebacker in their
Speaker 1: reserves with Joe Thomas, and maybe they saw something in
Speaker 1: the matchup where hey, we can give him a series
Speaker 1: and he can help. But no, I don't see him limited.
Speaker 1: I really don't physically in the game, and I know
Speaker 1: he had to come off the field the first two games.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett spoke to it yesterday. We just wanted to
Speaker 1: create a rotation and they they did do that last
Speaker 1: year at the beginning of the year before Sean Lee
Speaker 1: got hurt. They gave and I know, Vanderesh's first round pick,
Speaker 1: but they gave him a series here and there. And
Speaker 1: they not only spelled Jalen, they spelled Sean Lee with
Speaker 1: with Joe Thomas, if I'm not mistaken. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's you should read too much into that.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee played fourteen plays, so that tells you basically
Speaker 1: fourteen times they were in three linebackers. Yeah, base, So
Speaker 1: I don't know that at nickel is Jalen Smith's forte
Speaker 1: unless you're blitzing him. And if you notice that towards
Speaker 1: the end of the game, when Miami was in ketchup mode,
Speaker 1: they were going three down and Jalen was standing up
Speaker 1: as the fourth down line well rush rusher, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he blitzing. He's much better going I think we've always
Speaker 1: said that, right, he's better going forward and going backwards,
Speaker 1: especially especially he was coming right off of that injury.
Speaker 1: But still, and I think maybe what they noticed is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas is a little a little better at that,
Speaker 1: Let's get him in there, because they're not. They're they're
Speaker 1: going nickel every play, every play, almost sou and a
Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with the fact that
Speaker 1: Cowboys are way ahead in these games. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I didn't see anything wrong with it. So where
Speaker 1: this is all coming from because they asked me the
Speaker 1: question this morning. Yeah, are my favorite site, p p
Speaker 1: F had him ranked the fifty eighth best linebacker in
Speaker 1: the league. Sure after three games. Sure, So that's where
Speaker 1: it's coming from. Yeah, So it's because they're always right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is in the mail for you? Bill? What about you?
Speaker 1: And I I haven't noticed anything that out of the
Speaker 1: ordinary from what I've seen before from him. And I
Speaker 1: agree with Mickey. I've always thought that he's a better
Speaker 1: going forward than going back. I like, I would like
Speaker 1: to see him use him more in rush type situations.
Speaker 1: You know. I've always even in like what Rob said,
Speaker 1: coming off the injury, it was a way to it
Speaker 1: was a way to use him when they had Hitchens
Speaker 1: and Lee. It was a way to use him coming
Speaker 1: off the edge, you know, and have a package for him. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I like to see it now to get him
Speaker 1: on the field, maybe even in nickel situations, you know,
Speaker 1: you know the interesting thing And I'll let you say
Speaker 1: what you're just chopping at the bit to say about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I would say is it
Speaker 1: is interesting that he's got this big contract. And my
Speaker 1: question is is he in this defense with the Layton
Speaker 1: vanderg is he a three down linebacker? See that's to me.
Speaker 1: I think Mickey nailed this. I think you do not
Speaker 1: want to play him in pass coverage. You want to
Speaker 1: play him attacking when they got when they actually had
Speaker 1: some sacks. When they had the sacks, he was involved
Speaker 1: with the picks and stuff like that, him and Lawrence
Speaker 1: and those guys. He can affect the pocket as a blitzer,
Speaker 1: and so if you're going to use him as a
Speaker 1: three down player but have him as the extra rusher,
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Yeah, I think that's the Yet
Speaker 1: he can be a three down linebacker, but yetive have
Speaker 1: to be creative of how to use him. And you
Speaker 1: know what the problem is I think right now is
Speaker 1: as fans out there, we see them not making a
Speaker 1: bunch of splash plays. We're not seeing the run to
Speaker 1: the sidelines and knock Deshaun Watson completely off the field.
Speaker 1: You know, on fourth down, we're not seeing the tackle
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. And you can include I
Speaker 1: think the linebackers as a whole. That was one of
Speaker 1: the strengths that I felt like that they had going
Speaker 1: into the season. We just haven't seen the linebackers as
Speaker 1: a whole make those splash plays. So now he's getting
Speaker 1: paid and now we don't see the splash plays. And
Speaker 1: where's Vanderesh. Oh wait, they're playing Joe Thomas Sean Lee's
Speaker 1: only playing fourteen plays. There's a lot of things going
Speaker 1: on here where the fan is looking at the looking
Speaker 1: at it just as you know, like with tunnel vision,
Speaker 1: whereas the big picture. Yeah, they're not giving up points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're you know, every week you look at him, it's
Speaker 1: Vanders has ten tackles, Jalen Smith has ten tackles, Vanders
Speaker 1: has nine times. You know, every week they have tackles.
Speaker 1: But we're not seeing the splash plays. So when you
Speaker 1: don't see the splash plays, you're not thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's not playing. Well, I don't remember him doing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that play he made it, They didn't show him doing anything.
Speaker 1: That play he made on the goal line to rip
Speaker 1: the ball out of the out of the running backs
Speaker 1: hands as he's going away from the play, and to
Speaker 1: reach back instinctively, just reach back and just be strong
Speaker 1: enough to pull the ball out of his hands. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the that's your splash play. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the see but but but Joe flower Mound's going he's
Speaker 1: not making enough of those. He's not making Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not he's not having sacks, he's not tackling behind the line.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, you know, these linebackers, you know, their
Speaker 1: bar is very very high, I mean very high with
Speaker 1: the way that they're playing and I to me, you know,
Speaker 1: that's where you know, give them an opportunity to kind
Speaker 1: of get things going, because I think you will see
Speaker 1: some splash plays from these guys. But to to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, Smith is not hurt, but everybody out there
Speaker 1: is now taking this tunnel vision of him, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he got paid and he's not making any plays. That
Speaker 1: play on the goal line was a huge play because
Speaker 1: it kept it kept the Dolphins out of the end
Speaker 1: zone and potentially taking the lead. And if he go
Speaker 1: back and look at it, he's the one that messed
Speaker 1: up to play. He didn't make the tackle right, but
Speaker 1: he caused the running back to move to the side
Speaker 1: because he was coming through right that gap. They had
Speaker 1: ten tackles in the game. Yeah. See, that's where I
Speaker 1: think you get in trouble when we don't know what
Speaker 1: specifically for the scheme his plans are. We don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's again me personally. I mean I watched
Speaker 1: the stuff every week and there's questions that I had,
Speaker 1: like was he supposed to do this? Or was he
Speaker 1: supposed to do you know? And I try and ask
Speaker 1: the coaches want to see him you know, well, no,
Speaker 1: this is where and then I write about it that way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we have to be really careful
Speaker 1: talking about these cowboy linebackers because there's going to be
Speaker 1: a game, and it might be this week. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to They're gonna have to be ready
Speaker 1: for Alan Kamara running that football, downhill, toss sweeps, things
Speaker 1: like that, ball inside, fit, finish, all those things are
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And if they get blown up this week
Speaker 1: and who's the game, it probably because they didn't tackle
Speaker 1: well enough, they didn't fit, they didn't finish, and they
Speaker 1: weren't happy with that in Week one and it wasn't
Speaker 1: just the one Barkley run. The Giants ran it pretty well,
Speaker 1: but these last couple of games, it's like two and
Speaker 1: a half three yards of carry. Yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: it's not you know, big time Peterson has been a
Speaker 1: big time runner. That's linebackers having to do with some
Speaker 1: of their run defense that they fixed the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: You're right about the splash plays, though, I think I
Speaker 1: will raise my hand in blame. I'll raise my hand
Speaker 1: in blame for being a guy that watched thirty practices
Speaker 1: and when we were on in Oxnard and training camp
Speaker 1: and all that stuff like that and saying, hey, the
Speaker 1: strength of this team is this linebacker crew. I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to admit that because I believed in my
Speaker 1: heart and watching these guys play last year and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: what I saw in training camp, this is what you're
Speaker 1: going to see again this year. I mean, if I'm
Speaker 1: influencing people to say that, you know that these guys
Speaker 1: the bar it was this high, I'll take I'll take
Speaker 1: the blame. That part of why you said that is
Speaker 1: because of their death and because Joe Thomas was a
Speaker 1: starting line Thomas was a most camp in preseason and
Speaker 1: the guy was a stud. Yeah, so that's it's not
Speaker 1: surprising to see him come in the game and play
Speaker 1: well because we've seen him do it when called upon.
Speaker 1: Sure it was surprising though that Jalen really didn't come
Speaker 1: off the field for two games and then here he
Speaker 1: is giving a series here there to Joe, and like
Speaker 1: Mickey said, maybe it turned into a passing game and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're like, we don't want to
Speaker 1: just keep using him on the blitz. We want to
Speaker 1: put Joe Thomas on the field. And but Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: not only played for Smith. He played for Shawn Lee too,
Speaker 1: so half of Shawn Lee's I mean you look at
Speaker 1: Sean Lee eight r. Yeah, you look at Sean Lee
Speaker 1: snaps right there fourteen. It wasn't just Jaalen, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just Ja. They put Joe Thomas. It's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like they put a gut It's like a gut feeling.
Speaker 1: It's like a manager sending up a pinch hitter. You know, Hey, Bill,
Speaker 1: get the back, go hit. You know, It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to have a gut feeling that maybe
Speaker 1: in this scheme or maybe against his team, that they
Speaker 1: were going to have to do things a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: And Joe Thomas got the opportunity because, like Rob said
Speaker 1: all during training camp, we said, Joe Thomas is getting
Speaker 1: a lot of work and he's looking pretty damn good
Speaker 1: doing the work. I mean, they gave they gave Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard a chance late in the game to salt this
Speaker 1: thing away. What does that say about Zeke Nothing, Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliot's great opportunity against Miami to give guys a look
Speaker 1: and see what you got. Darren Thompson, I mean, here
Speaker 1: was the other thing that came out also because Pollard
Speaker 1: played that way, do you wish you didn't give Zeke
Speaker 1: all that money? Well, that's that's another question. See, that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the next you know, if we were
Speaker 1: on the radio every day, and it might even be
Speaker 1: a TV question, you know, it might be TV might
Speaker 1: ask that question, do you do you have any remorse? Yeah, yesterday,
Speaker 1: I'm listen, I'm driving home, and again I work with
Speaker 1: those guys. Mickey works with those guys on one oh
Speaker 1: five three. But they're you know, they're talking about do
Speaker 1: you have any buyer's remorse on guys? Do you have
Speaker 1: buyer's remorse on paying players? You know? And this is
Speaker 1: after a victory. And I'm not trying to say everything
Speaker 1: has to be rosy and sugarcoated and all that, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's an unusual path to take
Speaker 1: to do a show. If you're just saying, do they
Speaker 1: have buyer's remorse on on Lawrence? Do they have buyer's
Speaker 1: remorse on you know, all these guys that they paid,
Speaker 1: you know? And I thought that was an unusual angle
Speaker 1: to an angle to take, but but it's, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they have. They have to do their show,
Speaker 1: as we have to do our show as well. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know, if that's what they're If that's
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, fine, But I'm just saying though
Speaker 1: to me listening, Yeah, give me, give me all the
Speaker 1: best players I can have. Give me Ezekiel Elliott, give
Speaker 1: me you know, MARII give me all the best players.
Speaker 1: That's why you're able to match up in these games
Speaker 1: and had potentially have some success. So let's go to
Speaker 1: the phone line. We got Denny and ay here. Oh
Speaker 1: well we don't want anyway, right hello Ny? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: I have two questions on like, um, how important will
Speaker 1: it be our tackling this game? You know, like because
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of screens and yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of mixtures of and and then
Speaker 1: you know Alvin kamar or is this yeah absolutely the
Speaker 1: beast right now? So you know, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think all I've tackling that is going to be very imperative.
Speaker 1: And then um, I really liked the package of leaking
Speaker 1: Pollard in the backfield. Um, how much is too much?
Speaker 1: And what would you to think about? How much would
Speaker 1: be this? This enough of them and sharing the backfield
Speaker 1: together to be answering a lot, hello, thank you to
Speaker 1: answer his first questions might be the most important thing
Speaker 1: very game, the most important thing. They tackle bad, they lose.
Speaker 1: He could have had Kamara could have had eighteen catching,
Speaker 1: he had nine. He could have had eighteen in this
Speaker 1: game because he's leaking out and and Bridgewater goes somewhere
Speaker 1: else with the ball. I mean, he is going to
Speaker 1: be a huge factor in this game. So the key
Speaker 1: thing on this So the third leading tackler in the
Speaker 1: game against the Dolphins was Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown. So
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go well, for if they're gonna go
Speaker 1: three wide and try to run out of it, and
Speaker 1: then your nickel corner in the slot has got to
Speaker 1: be able to play the run. Yeah, And that was
Speaker 1: where Darren Woodson made his name, made his money because
Speaker 1: he could line up in the slot and take Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1: He can line up in the slot and play the run.
Speaker 1: And so with Camara, the way he plays, that guy
Speaker 1: in the slot's going to be really important to help
Speaker 1: and run support. Yeah, otherwise they're going to have problems.
Speaker 1: And not just your linebackers that important. I wonder how
Speaker 1: much dime they're going to play because they've got the
Speaker 1: tied end to Hill that they might treat, you know again,
Speaker 1: if that gets another good tackler. I think Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: is a good tackler, you know. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: what he was able to do last year in this game.
Speaker 1: But maybe it just gives me and those good tacklers
Speaker 1: as you can on the field, because you know, to
Speaker 1: Denny's point and Mickey every point is you've got if
Speaker 1: if I have a feel, if they tackle poorly in
Speaker 1: this game, they're gonna lose. I just do I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you can. You know you can.
Speaker 1: You gotta get off the field. You got to get
Speaker 1: the offense back the ball. You've got to find a
Speaker 1: way to steal a possession or two. You know, with
Speaker 1: Breeze it would have been even more imperative, But now
Speaker 1: I think that it's a little bit with Bridgewater. If
Speaker 1: you could get a couple of extra possessions and they
Speaker 1: don't score and you're scoring, that's gonna put a ton
Speaker 1: of pressure on him. That's exactly what the Rams did.
Speaker 1: They forced him to have to be a player in
Speaker 1: this game, and he just wasn't capable of being that way,
Speaker 1: they got him a lead against the Ram against the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and he was a better player for it. So his
Speaker 1: second question was about Zeke and Pollard together. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, right, that's Kellen Moore coming up with some plans,
Speaker 1: some ideas, some creative ways to to get them both
Speaker 1: in the same backfield. It does present a lot of
Speaker 1: problems of how you want to play that you can
Speaker 1: you could have you can use you can use Politis
Speaker 1: the receiver, Zeke as the blitz pick up guy, or
Speaker 1: you can you know, you can put them both on
Speaker 1: the field the same time, to go empty backfield and
Speaker 1: put both them in the slot and have them you know,
Speaker 1: work underneath routes and stuff like that. Well how many
Speaker 1: times did we see it? It was one time particular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe one or two that would
Speaker 1: they will expand that package just for what Brian said,
Speaker 1: because if you got them both on the field, you're
Speaker 1: going heavy on defense, and then what happens when you
Speaker 1: spread them out and put them in the past formation.
Speaker 1: Now you've got mismatches probably with the linebackers. It was
Speaker 1: a nice wrinkle to use, especially with Gallup and not
Speaker 1: in the game and being out at this point, we'll
Speaker 1: take a twenty here. All right, We're gonna take a
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Speaker 1: way to go, Hey y'all see choys tweet last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, you did not. It was great. It was classic.
Speaker 1: There's something going on between him and Mahomes because he
Speaker 1: is There's something I don't know. But here's what happened.
Speaker 1: It was nine thirty last night. The Athletic Kansas City tweeted,
Speaker 1: in case you missed it, Patrick Mahomes has thrown thirty
Speaker 1: six percent of Troy Aikman's career touchdowns and about eight
Speaker 1: percent of the games. Well, Troy saw that apparently, and
Speaker 1: he tweeted, in case you missed it, talk to me
Speaker 1: when he has thirty three percent of my Super Bowl titles.
Speaker 1: Who It was so funny on Twitter to see how many,
Speaker 1: how quickly the likes and Larie tweets were happening. It's
Speaker 1: a great equalizer, right, You'll get salty on you on
Speaker 1: Twitter man within an hour because we used it on
Speaker 1: our newski. I saw it at nine thirty. I told
Speaker 1: Dandy or producer, I said, we got to use this, okay,
Speaker 1: And by that time, in forty minute, fifty minutes later,
Speaker 1: there were already forty thousand likes on Twitter. It's up
Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty two thousand now. But black
Speaker 1: Kid is a good player, though. When Kansas is yes
Speaker 1: he is. But what I like about it as much
Speaker 1: as anything too. On Troy's tweet, it says, I see
Speaker 1: why am I am I? In case you missed it,
Speaker 1: talk to me? When when he has thirty three percent,
Speaker 1: he was so poed by it that he just quickly
Speaker 1: responded to it. He didn't even proof read his tweeting
Speaker 1: that happens. Well, you know who the top two rated
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league are right now, don't you? I do, yes,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us? I think that would be
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Prescott here, and Mahomes has a better cornerback
Speaker 1: rating one thirty four nine to Dak's one twenty eight.
Speaker 1: He also Dak has a better completion percentage seventy four
Speaker 1: five to seventy one nine, and Mahomes has one more touchdown,
Speaker 1: so it's and the nine And Dak's percentage poor attempt
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Speaker 1: basically played as well as Mahomes has to start these
Speaker 1: first three games. Through three games, through three games, we're
Speaker 1: just awarding it. And by the way, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: saving this Troy Aitman tweet for Super Bowl week in Miami.
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl in Miami, which is my prediction
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