1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I heart radio. All right, Annie, 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: I've got a question for you, okay, and I kind 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: of already know this answer because I know you and 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: you're quirks. I guess it's the best way to put it. 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm very yes, But what is something that you would 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: fight some people on as an opinion? Something that you're like, No, 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: I am absolutely right. Oh gosh, well you do know 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: me very well, so you probably can list several things. 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: I unfortunately am like this. This is because I'm very competitive. Um, 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: so I've spoken about how I can't play apples to 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: apples because I get angry, right, and I'm just convinced 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm right. Also in my very nerdy areas, I'll fight 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: you about my opinions on Star Wars, on Harry Potter, 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: on Supernatural. I will fight you, and then I'll back 16 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: down because I'll be like, you're being ridiculous, but I'm 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: still mad, you know, like I'm still mad inside. We 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: had a moment, we had a contentious moment when I said, 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: when we were talking about Dean and Sam of Supernatural, 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: and because we have two opposing views, and you're like, no, 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: you're wrong. You just shut it down and that's how 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: you did it incorrect. I've actually thought about that moment 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: a lot, and I spoke about it in therapy and 24 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, my family is this 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: family And I understand why I was getting thrilled up. 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, things like that, I get very and I 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: actually recognized it myself in middle school, going all the 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: way back to middle school, and it was something I've 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: been working on since then because I would get so 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: mad things I knew were silly, um and I would 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: have to like step back and be like, okay, I 32 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: respect your opinion, I disagree, like I would have to 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: take that, even going back to middle school. Yeah, So yeah, 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: I I get passionate too about specific things. Although some 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: things are just I just want to do it to 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: argue with you. I'm like, no, I don't, I don't know, 37 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what I think, but okay, I'll play 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: this game. Like I will definitely do that. But I 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: definitely get really heated when it comes to like social 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: issues and such, especially if it's something that I am 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: an expert, and I doubt myself quite often, but something 42 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: that I have like worked my you know, ass off 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: for such as social work things and um, child issue 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: things like I will fight, I will fight with someone 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: about those kind of things. But outside of that, I 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: find it kind of amusing. I will say, I still 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: hold to my opinion on a disagreement about supernatural, but 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: I have many follow up points. But but I see 49 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: where you're coming from because I go back and forth 50 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: of I want to play the middle ground. So yeah, 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: but that's not we're not talking about supernatural today. UM. 52 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: And before we even start, UM, this is not a 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: trigger warning, but doing this research was really taxing for me, 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: to the point that it took me a lot longer 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I feel like to do this than even some of 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: our triggering episodes from About Me Too hashtag me Too era, 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: as well as sexual assault, because those things I had 58 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: already processed and we talked about again. But this is 59 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: a little bit different because we're talking a little bit 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: more about the alt right extremist movement that we've been 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: seeing recently, not seeing recently, but have been highlighted I 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: guess recently. UM. And for me, researching this was really heartbreaking. UM, 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: seeing things like the riots and even just the last 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: four years of discourse and divisiveness is heartbreaking. I feel 65 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: like there was a lot of lots of relationships because 66 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: of it, worries of the state of our country, UM, 67 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: how do we move forward? Us seeing just the hate 68 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: in general, it definitely put me in a dark place. 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: So this is kind of your warning. If you're really 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: anxious about that and all the things that have been happening, 71 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: maybe wait a while on this episode. Uh, but I 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: will say it has a lot of information and a 73 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: lot of things that I didn't know because of where 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: we are today, uh, in our government, with the things 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: that we've been seeing between all the protests and the 76 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: riots and insurrection, it does feel dark and definitely took 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: me down that path. So just a warning before we 78 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: even start. Yeah, and as we record this, it is 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: a lovely Friday afternoon that we're tackling this topic. UM. 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: January as it comes out, it will in theory be 81 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Inauguration Day, which a lot of us in the United 82 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: States have. We are holding our breath as a country 83 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: of what's going to happen. UM. So I know this 84 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: has been it's been very stressful for a lot of people. 85 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: And UM also just wanted to point out we have 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Samantha and I have done an episode on in cells 87 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: which is related in the past, and then past host 88 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Bridget namily have done one on women in white supremacy 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: that Bridget and I later revisited. So if those are 90 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: something you're you're looking more to get more information on 91 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: after this, then that does exist. Um. But yes, today 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: we are looking at the world of women in extremist 93 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: all right groups. UM, particularly here in the United States, 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: I would say, but definitely have tentacles reaching out all 95 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: over the world. Um. With all that has been happening 96 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: in the United States, we could ignore the growing number 97 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: of women and especially white women, and the movements like 98 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: Q and ON and far right conspiracist groups. UM. So 99 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: we wanted to look and see what was what was 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: happening or rather has been happening ing and the manifestation 101 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: that we see of that today. Right. And please know 102 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: when we're talking about because we are going to use 103 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: terms like traditional families and such, we're talking about traditional 104 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: families or Christianity and religion. We're referring to the extremist 105 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: use of this. And we're not denigrating people who are 106 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: religious or define themselves as Christians or those who are 107 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: stay at home parents like those are amazing things. If 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: they get you through and bring out kindness, then you 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: do you love and do good. That that's what we 110 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: would say. But what we're specifically talking about in this 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: episode is the extremist uh tactics that are used within 112 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: those types of terms and uh ideas. Yeah, kind of 113 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: the weaponization of them. Um. And before we started, we 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: did want to give you some terms to know. We 115 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: wanted to find some things so you'll know as we 116 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: go what we're talking about, even though I would guess 117 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: a lot of you have a working definition. But always 118 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: good to be on the same page, you know. So 119 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: let's start with extremists. This is a person who holds 120 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who 121 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: resorts to or advocates extreme actions. Another word is menisphere. 122 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: According to dictionary dot com, this is a loose network 123 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: of blogs, forums, websites like fore chain and read It 124 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: dedicated to men's issues, ranging from topics such as life philosophies, 125 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: self improvement, tips, strategies for success in life, relationships, and sex. 126 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: And it is typically opposed to feminism and it's full 127 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 1: of misogyny and overlap with parts of the alt right. Again, 128 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: that's part of the Dictionary dot com definition. Um. And 129 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: then we're also going to talk about dad wives literally 130 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: traditional wives or a woman who prefers to take a 131 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: traditional submissive role in marriage. As one definition state as 132 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: in an example quote they tend to agree with state 133 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: was like a woman's places in the home and seeks 134 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: to keep traditional head or normative ideas of families and homes. 135 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: There is another term called shield maiden, and we do 136 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: kind of reference it a little bit, but I thought 137 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: it was an interest time to know which is a 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Nordic definition of a woman or your or valkyrie from 139 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the Scandinavian folklore. But specifically what we're talking about is 140 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: the alt right version, which is women who provide auxiliaries 141 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: or support to normalize or soften white supremacy and altright movements. Yes, 142 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: and then there's red pilling um, which we I know 143 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about before. According to Dictionary dot com, it 144 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: means becoming enlightened to the truth about reality, especially a 145 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: truth that is difficult to accept or exposes delusions. And 146 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: they go on to say quote online red pills especially 147 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: used among anti feminists and white supremacist groups to refer 148 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: to quote waking up to the truth that women and 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: liberal politics are pressing men and white people, reference to 150 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: the matrix unfortunate. UM. Taking of that idea. Also, we 151 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: have past hosts have done an episode on men's rights movements, 152 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: so that's another thing you can look up. UM. And 153 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: then anti feminists, which is fairly self explanatory but means 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: a post to feminism. Right. So one of the big 155 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: things that we wanted to talk about throughout this episode 156 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and how all right movements of a gun are some 157 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: of these ideals and some of these mentalities, and one 158 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: of them is the anti feminist mentality. And we've talked 159 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: about it before about how many women have felt that 160 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: feminism was anti moral and for some would go as 161 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: far as to say that it is stripping away the 162 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: rights of men and therefore must be stopped. Uh. Anti 163 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: feminism has been around from the beginning. We all know this, 164 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: and we know it continues to be a source spot 165 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: for many who feel feminism is the enemy and a 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: brainwashed idea used to ruin their country. Mm hmmm. One 167 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: term frequently used is red pilling, which we just mentioned. UH. 168 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: Several different online groups use this term as a way 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: of developing plans or ways to undo feminism. Groups like 170 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: red Pill Women, red Pill Wise, and the red Pill 171 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: on Reddit use it in order to talk about undoing 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: quote all the damage of the quote brainwashed liberal feminist. 173 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of quotes because they explain 174 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: it better than we do. Yeah, And there are many 175 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: groups like this who continue to push the idea that 176 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: to be a good woman is to surrender to the 177 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: traditional roles of wife, mother, and follower submissive of the man. Right. 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: So within these groups, measurements are placed to find worth 179 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: of women SMV or the sexual market value, which I 180 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: just learned. Have we talked about that before? No, but 181 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: there's something very similar in uh in sales with like 182 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: the whole child it is yeah, uh yeah, so, which 183 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: I knew existed, but I didn't know the actual term 184 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: for so. According to one article, it was explained that 185 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: these men from these red pill groups and groups like 186 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: this quote perceived gender roles as the result of sexual 187 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: economics and the idea that the highest value of a 188 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: woman is her sexual value, and that she's most valuable 189 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: when she's in her sexually pristine state, and the way 190 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: to we measure is to use qualities like health, age, 191 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: and femininity. So the skinnier you are, the higher the value. 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: The less partners you've had the better, Because they write 193 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: in one portion, since sex is the quote prime value 194 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: that a woman has, the more she gives the value away, 195 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: the more her value is diminished. Uh So, Now the 196 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: overall polarization of being feminine and wanting to be a 197 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: traditional housewife in the very heteronormative sense versus the generalized 198 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: idea that you can't be feminist if you want or 199 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: are these things have been pointed out as a part 200 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: of the problem of the growing redpill men's rights movements. 201 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: Within these communities, many say they feel as if feminism 202 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: is an attack on the traditions and norms and is 203 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the villain of the narrative, and that it was demeaning 204 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: of what it means to be a quote true woman. 205 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: Of course, it's not surprising to see that these groups 206 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: and ideas feel that feminism demonizes men and makes women victims. 207 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: Therefore it should be done away with as it's gone 208 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: too extreme and has become again the enemy. As one 209 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: column states, quote, I have my mind, please stop fin 210 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: explaining it to me, and yes, the column was written 211 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: actually by a woman who asserted that this type of 212 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: feminism has created the extremist response of some anti feminists 213 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: who have leaned into the red pill or chad Wife 214 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: ideas and lifestyle. So now we did want to talk 215 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: about religion and how it's played, how it has played 216 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: into these extremist ideals. So it does play a a 217 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: big part in extremist ideals, and like many of the 218 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: different extremist groups, um that they have very dedicated members 219 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: to it. So women who advocate for lifestyles like chad 220 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: wife and save the Babies would more often than not 221 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: consider themselves Christians or religious. And doing the riot at 222 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: the Capitol, one of the more disturbing pictures from me 223 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: was the putting up of the cross in front of 224 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: the capital building. Um. I know that I saw pictures 225 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: after the fact where they were praying there before they 226 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: entered the building and before they attacked people, and before 227 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: they were trying to kidnap officials. Um. And I found 228 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: that really disturbing because yes, once upon a time I 229 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: was religious and I still believe in the ideas of 230 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: good and the good things in the Bible, and to 231 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: see them use this. It kind of was a stark 232 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: reminder of how the KKK used the cross Um when 233 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: they went to intimidate their victims. Right Um and and 234 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: not surprisingly a big chunk of the women who do 235 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: follow the ideology of some of these extremist groups. Yeah, 236 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: they considered themselves Christians and continue to go to these 237 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: extremes to save the unborn children. I know we've talked 238 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: about that a lot in past episodes. Um. The many 239 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: anti abortion groups continue to use religious ideology and concepts 240 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: for their crusade no matter the cost. And as we've 241 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: we've mentioned before, an overwhelming amount of white women voted 242 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: for Trump in the and again in the elections, and 243 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: many have said abortion was a big reason for their 244 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: vote why they voted that way. Abortion continues to be divisive, 245 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: a very divisive point for many women and has helped 246 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: continue to push people into these extremes. Right Um groups 247 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: like the Army of God use violent rhetoric in order 248 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: to save the children. Under such extremes, different violent tactics 249 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: such as stalking, shootings, and even chemical attacks have been 250 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: used as a part of their practices. Now, many of 251 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: these violent attacks are usually planned and executed by men 252 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: within these groups, but many women support the efforts and 253 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: are still really heavily involved in groups like this, And 254 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I feel like as of recent these groups may have 255 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: taken a little bit of a back burner to the 256 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: bigger conspiracies. We know that their ideologies and staces are 257 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: still found within the middle of a lot of these 258 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy ideas. Rights UM and then you have women like 259 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Philip shaff Lee, who led a movement to fight against 260 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: the Equal Rights Amendment, and Beverly la Hey, who organized 261 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: the largest lobbying group that represents conservative women, Concerned Women 262 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: for America UM, that have been a part of this 263 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: religious slash conservative movements in the United States, and though 264 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: they are not necessarily considered to be extremist, they do 265 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: show a link into some ideology that leads to extremist 266 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: ideas or sectors. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, 267 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: many far right extremist groups could use quote religious concepts 268 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and scripture to justify threats, criminal activity, and violence, and 269 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: they often exploit Christianity to recruit, radicalize, and mobilize. And 270 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: as we mentioned above, issues like abortion or sanctity of 271 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: family as they believe it to be our drivers for 272 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: many people, especially women, who not only believe in these causes, 273 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: but continue to join and fight for and encourage these 274 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: types of radicalizations. Right uh, And we wanted to look 275 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: at some specific amples that we're seeing right now. Um. 276 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: But first we're gonna pause for a quick break for 277 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and we're back, Thank you sponsor, 278 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: and we're back with Proud Boys Girls and Proud Girls. Yes. 279 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: So just to give a little background, though we know 280 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: probably a lot of you are aware, Proud Boys are, 281 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: as they describe themselves, a quote man's organization for Western 282 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: chauvinist who refused to apologize for creating the modern world. 283 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: They are considered by many as an extremist white nationalist group. However, 284 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: they don't consider themselves as that. Um more so, they 285 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: think that they are conservatives fighting against the liberals and 286 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: of course Antiva. It was originally created by Gavin McGinnis 287 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: and still continues as they were big proponents of the 288 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: Stopped Steal riot that occurred at the Capitol. And though 289 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: they are known as a male's only group, they do 290 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: have a couple of counterparts, right. One is the Proud 291 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Boys Girls, which is endorsed and I say endorsed loosely 292 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: by the Proud Boys, though there isn't much information on them, 293 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: they do have They did have a Facebook group. I 294 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: do believe they have a chapter. It stated on the 295 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Proud Boys site quote, if you are and we're born 296 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: a woman and you would like to be involved, there 297 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: is a girl's group. They call themselves Proud Boys Girls. 298 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: And there are second biggest demographic, which I guess if 299 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: they believe there's only two okay whatever. Um And and 300 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: they also say it may seem counterintuitive that a men's 301 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: only group would have such a big female following, but 302 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: nobody wants men to be men more than women who 303 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: depend on them. Uh as. In fact, they have a 304 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: little testament in the air says Proud Boys, Save my marriage, 305 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: says PPG Gabriella Finch. They actually say her name. I 306 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: was completely done with it, but he won me back 307 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: and fought hard for it. Um. So there you go. 308 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: There's a testimony if you need one. They continue on 309 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: to say this group is full of all kinds of women. Wise, 310 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: girlfriends and single girls are all welcome. Just like the 311 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: men's group, the girls have no other requirements about race, religion, 312 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: or sexual preference. Which I find hard to believe. But okay, um, 313 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: Now again, like I said, I do believe they have 314 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: a chapter in the group, but the only way to 315 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: find the chapters is to join, and I'm sorry I 316 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. So so I just felt dirty being 317 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: on that side. But apparently that's where they are. Yeah. Well, 318 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: another affiliation that doesn't seem to be as welcomed as 319 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys girls is the Proud Girls, which is 320 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: apparently a nemesis somehow to the Proud Boys, and in 321 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: fact there is some talk of them having a war 322 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: of the words. Um you know the facts on that 323 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: with the little shaky um. The Proud Girls was created 324 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: by m M A fighter Tara la Rossa, who was 325 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: a supporter of the Proud Boys, but her group was 326 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: specifically a telegram at channel that promoted her transphobic ideas 327 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: and rantings. And apparently the Proud Boys were not happy. 328 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: They declared quote Proud Girls was ridiculous and rioting their 329 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: coat tails. Um. They continued by saying, want to support us, 330 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: get married, have babies, and take care of your family. 331 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: And Laurissa had some words for them, not only claiming 332 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: herself as the noble den mother, and to the Proud Boys, 333 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: she said, quote all you little cry baby Pecker Boys, 334 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: I am tougher th of you alleged men, but have 335 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: no doubt both of these offshoot groups are still extremist groups, 336 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: even to the point that they are trying to out 337 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: extreme the other, which I guess. Okay, Um, the Proud 338 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: Boys Girls was known to actually publish more anti Semitic 339 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: narratives than the Proud Boys. So there's that, I guess. Um. 340 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: LaRosa of the Proud Girls continue to make sure to 341 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: let other counterparts know that not only is she in 342 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: her group equal to them, but that she was a 343 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: straight fighter and would physically fight them and the left. Okay, 344 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there you go. Okay, uh, well, now let's 345 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: talk about white supremacy. Um. So this is one of 346 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: the largest motivators to many extremist groups within the United States. 347 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: From the history of slavery, the KKK, and to today's 348 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: sect of extremist groups like the Proud Boys, white supremacy 349 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: has been the ultimate motive and goal. And while many 350 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: people would like to argue that progress has happened for 351 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: racial equality, there is no denying a white supremacy has 352 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: and still does exist, and as we've been saying, it's 353 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: not new or a resurgence, but rather that the group's 354 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: no longer care or fear any type of retribution. Are 355 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: they they don't hear any consequences or see any consequences 356 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: for their actions, and to pretend it hasn't been a 357 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: main frame of our culture is to ignore what has 358 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: been happening all along. Um. But one of the more 359 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: stealthy ways of white supremacies continued existence is through women 360 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: and the new tactics or even these new newer groups. Right. So, 361 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: according to some reports, trad wives came from within the 362 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: red Pill movement UM and has grown significantly. The intent 363 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: of chrad wives is meant to combat feminism and encourage 364 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: and embrace the quote traditional domestic values. Under of course, 365 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: the heteronomentive ideas they like the rest of the red 366 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: red pill ideology, teach that women's most important goal is 367 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: to learn to please men. UM and the culture of 368 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: chad wives use social media as a way of connecting 369 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: with other women to teach each other the ways of 370 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: these values. One of the most recognized chad wives is 371 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: blogger ala Iola Stewart, who is known as quote wife 372 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: with a purpose. She is all about teaching quote traditional 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: living and parenting, and she has gained attention for her 374 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: challenge called the White Baby Challenge, and yeah, as it sounds, 375 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: she's encouraging for more white babies as a way to 376 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: combat the decline of the white demographic and much like 377 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: the rest of white supremacy, the fear that there is 378 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: currently conspiracy that there is a current white genocide happening, 379 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: and that's the only way to fight it is to 380 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: have more white children. Another influencer is Britney Selner, who 381 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: has her own YouTube channel and she she's got a 382 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: bunch of followers that also uses similar tactics. Um She 383 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: often talks of how feminism is attacking masculinity and often 384 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: makes the men the victims because feminism is the reason 385 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: men are angry and causing resentment. She states in one 386 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: of her videos, quote, it comes as absolutely no surprise 387 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: to me at this point that movements like the Men's 388 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: Right movement have gained such popularity. Men are tired of 389 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: being shamed of their inherent qualities such as masculinity. So 390 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: at first glance you see these attractive, soft spoken women. 391 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: But it's that tactic that allows for things like white 392 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: supremacies to exist without too much challenge the idea that 393 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: these women who continue to play the demere dossil life 394 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: keep speaking of radical movements being a result of wars 395 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: waged on them and their tradition, which is the very 396 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: nature that pushes to approve and encourage the violent misogyny 397 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: oftentimes seen within these extremist groups. Um And unsurprisingly, the 398 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: effectiveness of things like trad wives and red pill work 399 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: as they play into the fear of the erasure of 400 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: race and loss of family um and with that erasing 401 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: of family values and preservation of their culture, and like 402 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: any organization, women have been the core and glue of 403 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: their movement. Things like networking, social events, and raising children 404 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: under these same beliefs are placed squarely on the shoulders 405 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: of these women. But with all of this it brings 406 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: a validation of the importance of their existence and their power. 407 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: Let say, where Derby, an expert in women in hate groups, 408 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: right in her article the Secret Weapons of the far Right, 409 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: she states quote, They're drawn by the promises of a 410 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: movement that abused their femininity with enormous power. They are 411 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: told that simply by being white, female, attractive, and fertile, 412 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: they will be valuable beyond measure to a renegade, but 413 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: righteous cause. I found her take on a lot of 414 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: this very interesting, and I think it does say a 415 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of the things that we're concerned about and that 416 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: we are seeing. So if y'all want to check out 417 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: her stuff, it's just some amazing um research. But yeah, 418 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: white supremacy. Obviously, it's about power, it's about control, and 419 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: it's always about the fear of losing those things. And 420 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: for many of the women who believe these possible losses, 421 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: they are powerful tools to continue to spread and encouragement 422 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: of these extremist movements through disinformation and yes, fearmongering, right, 423 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: which brings us to something we've all been hearing a 424 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: lot about lately, Key and on Um And yes we've 425 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: already talked a bit about Q and On and some 426 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: of the women involved, but we did want to look 427 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: again at how women have become a part of this 428 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: extremest conspiracy theory, especially given right now the grip that 429 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: seems to have in a lot of what we're seeing, 430 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: um and yeah, how it influenced people in this this 431 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: last election. So what is Quan on the question for 432 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: the ages um. It is quote wide ranging conspiracy theory 433 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: that claims that an elite group of child trafficking pedophiles 434 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: have been ruling the world of a number of decades 435 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: and that Trump has a secret plan in place to 436 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: bring this group to justice. Um. And I will say 437 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: when we did our many on it, uh, I did 438 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of a deep dive and to me, I would 439 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: describe it as like, choose your own conspiracy theory, like, 440 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: because I literally not exaggerating four things. You could like 441 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: insert here fits in with your theory however you wanted 442 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: to write. And it changes because as of recently, Mike 443 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Pence has been added to one of the evil people. 444 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: Yes exactly. Um. In seventeen, a person identified as Q 445 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: started posting a lot of conspiracy theories on four Chan 446 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: that perpetuated the idea of a quote deep state conspiracy 447 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: that was reminiscent of the Pizza Gate conspiracy, which accused 448 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: many famous individuals of being a part of a child 449 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: trafficking and sexual abuse ring. There have been a lot 450 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: of conversations as to whether or not the actual content 451 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: was intended as a hoax. Who is Q? I've I've 452 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: heard like basically the ultimate troll I don't know, um, 453 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: but according to a report from the Institute for Strategic 454 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Dialogue from October twenty seventeen to June, there have been 455 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: more than sixty nine million tweets, four hundred eighty seven 456 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: thousand Facebook posts, and two d eight thousand Instagram posts 457 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: and mentions the Q and on. So that's a lot, right, 458 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: which honestly, for like Instagram on Facebook, I would think 459 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: there's more, but there's a lot of private groups that 460 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: we don't get to see. That's true. That is true, um, 461 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: and it has been interesting seeing the cracking down on 462 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: that and what that will mean in the future. Uh, 463 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: But we did want to talk more about social media, 464 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: but first we're going to pause for one more quick 465 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsors and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Right, So, 466 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to specifically talk about Instagram. One of the 467 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: biggest keys to spreading this this information around has been 468 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: through the usage of Instagram. Women are the main users 469 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: for Instagram. Definitely more than half of the users again 470 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: are women. So when you look at who is actually 471 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: uh looking through these posts, women and it's not just 472 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: a mention about Q and non theories, but influencers who 473 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: have actually used their platform to help spread this this information, 474 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: and not just by political or conservative figures, but by beauty, 475 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: wellness and celebrity influencers. According to researchers, influencers have used 476 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: their soothing aesthetic as a way of seamlessly bringing in 477 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: these conspiracies into their content. One of the researchers stated, 478 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: women on Instagram are sugarcoating their dark stuff with the 479 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: soothing graphic design we're used to associate with platforms like 480 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: this and his threat. He titled this conversation the pastel 481 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Q and on, which I thought was interesting. Um And 482 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: not surprisingly, the burden of the pandemic and childcare has 483 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: added to the rise of what is being called a custagram, 484 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: which is only exascerbated by the many fearmongering within the 485 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, including the mass conspiracies, the Five Jeems conspiracies, 486 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: and yes again the satanical cabal of pet a file 487 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: to the government in Hollywood. Yeah. And within that, there 488 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: is something called hashtag save the babies um and this 489 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: became a big proponent of Q and On spread used 490 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: once as an actual hashtag to bring awareness to human trafficking, 491 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: it was co opted to help spread and amplify human's 492 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: messaging and spread to the feeds of many American mothers. 493 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: And though they may not um straight out call themselves 494 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: cuban On supporters, there are many who do believe the 495 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: underlying evil is the reason for the quote fall of 496 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: the country, and as journalism professor Rich Hanley states, the 497 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: conspiracies quote seeped into the suburban consciousness of American women 498 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, and they bought into it. The 499 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: key is children and why is Instagram so effective? And 500 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: why are hashtags like this so effective? Painley explains that 501 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: the usage of the vulnerability of the young and children 502 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: helps to create an alternate reality and a cause to 503 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: come together for. And as another professor stated, Instagram quote 504 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: tends to have a stronger, more emotional appeal. So the 505 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: overall appeal of social media has continued to instigate narratives 506 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: like this because we know that most people who are 507 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: following are following each other. Because we know that that 508 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: the way people follow are following within their own social circle, 509 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: which only encourages and builds on itself. So the echo 510 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: chamber begins and it feeds into the conspiracies even more 511 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: without question, as they believe because they know these people, 512 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: that this post is trustworthy rights right, Um. And we 513 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: can't talk about the extremism of today's conspiracies and movements 514 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: without talking about some of the original history and motives 515 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: used to continue the false narrative of supremacy. Um. And 516 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: we've talked about it a little before when we reference 517 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: the continued situation of white women accusing black men and 518 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: black people altogether of crime or ill intent. Um. The 519 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: beginning of cases like the lynching of Emmett Till and 520 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: the Tulsa massacre or Black Wall Streets started with white 521 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: women accusing black men of crimes they did not commit. 522 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: Not too long ago, the woman who had accused Emmett 523 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: Till admitted to lying about the incident, right. Um. Yeah, 524 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: And it's impossible to ignore the continued ways that this 525 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: is still being used, as white women are repeatedly seen 526 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: using their quote fragile natures as becoming victims um and 527 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: kind of working for the demise of black men. And 528 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: when we look at the many women who are using 529 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: the fear of white genocide on top of their fragility, 530 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: we find a dangerous precedent on who is considered to 531 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: be the victims or who was at risk rates um 532 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: and to put all of these extremists, tactics, ideals, or 533 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: conspiracies under misogyny may seem too simple, too easy, perhaps 534 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: too feminist, and as some of the articles mentioned above 535 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: as said to polarizing of men who want to be 536 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: masculine men and women who want the traditional role of 537 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: feminine women. But it's really hard not to see the 538 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: correlation of how many of these movements are about preserving 539 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: the sanctity of manhood and its traditional values within families 540 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: and communities. Man of Sphere may have originated from the 541 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: seventies during the second wave feminism, and many of these 542 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: groups such as chad wives and red pilling are under 543 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: this man of sphere. Men's rights groups, in cell groups 544 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: and others are all part of this group. And there 545 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: are many different factions to this sphere that they never 546 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: call it a group. So I was like, I don't 547 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: know how I guess there was sphere. I don't know 548 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: there's sphere, right, uh So these groups attract people through 549 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: many different ways, including the ways we spoke of Earli. 550 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: But the backing idea that has pushed for more members 551 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: and female members is the idea that tradition was disappearing 552 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: and that the feminist movement was the enemy. As it 553 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: is feminism that has lessened the population because you know, 554 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: people women want to work all of a sudden, they 555 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: don't want to have babies, they don't want to get married, 556 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: child care. Right, it's sexual awakening of women are having 557 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: sex without intent of getting pregnant. What um So this 558 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: type of idea is what created angry men, right, That's 559 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: what happened. It is not that it was a man's fault. 560 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: It was creating this this resentment essentially, who kill herd 561 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: or maim? And feminism is attacking the dignity and morality 562 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: of masculinity. There are so many sites and posts and 563 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: groups online it's almost impossible to tackle them all. And 564 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: I will tell you, y'all looking at the site kind 565 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: of sucked the spirit out of my soul. Very little 566 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: bit I have, but they are there. So. A mother 567 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: Jones article actually has at least eighteen different organizations under 568 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: the nomisphere listed in one of their columns, which include 569 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: the Men's Right activists and four chan and now eight champ, 570 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: but the growing amount of subreddas and YouTube channels and 571 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: telegram Postings, which is one of the newer formats dedicated 572 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: to women within those spheres, are also growing and continue 573 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: to rise in mainstream platforms like Instagram, although again as 574 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: of recent as in the last week, things have been 575 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: slowly being shut down. But I think the growing number 576 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: of accounts it's almost hard to control unless reported. So 577 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: it's it's growing. And you know, they try to have 578 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: their own site, but that got shut down, so it's 579 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how it continues to grow. Yeah. 580 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: And and as we've talked about this, there's just so 581 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: many things we've seen lately, um that we could talk 582 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: about in a future episode. I've especially been intrigued by 583 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: this whole victim blaming at aspect of people who are 584 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: in these extremist groups really paying themselves as the victim. Um. Yeah, 585 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's very interesting. I took a deep but 586 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: diving looking at specific women such as, uh, the mother 587 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: of Colin written house, as well as the woman who 588 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: was with the bartender from Nashville who had the zip 589 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: ties at the riot. Um. He had his mom because 590 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: he apparently lives with a mom, and they came together 591 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: to fight to stop the steel, you know, um, and 592 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: it was really interesting to read and see these women 593 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that they're doing this for their children, 594 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: and they supported their children because what they're doing is 595 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: right and why they're doing why what they're doing is right. 596 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: Of course, written House has since been kind of been 597 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: promoted by the Proud Boys as kind of a spokesperson, 598 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: not spokesperson, but kind of their little uh yeah post 599 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: boy almost as well as the fact that, uh, this 600 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: Nashville dude was with his mom and she was helping him, 601 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: providing for him, and she was protecting him. At one point, 602 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: you see a video of him, and yeah, we've seen 603 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: so many videos recently, but a video of him talking 604 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: to someone about them, you know, storming the capital and 605 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: the mom stops and she's like, who are you with? 606 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: Are you mainstream media? Are you trying to out my son? 607 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: I have to protect my son. Like she was very 608 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: adamant and was right behind him and storming that capital. 609 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to see these narratives become I'm 610 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: doing this for my son, which is that whole white 611 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: baby challenge, that that narrative that has become a part 612 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: of why they feel this is important and how scary 613 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: it is that they are encouraging these extremists and violent 614 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: ideas and rhetorics as a part of getting back their 615 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: traditions and values. Right. Yeah, And there's it's been a 616 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of articles written to you about the gamification of 617 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 1: all of this and feeling like you're being a hero 618 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, so there's a lot we could talk about, um. 619 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: And there's a lot that we covered here, um, But 620 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: today we were specifically looking at the influence of tactics 621 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: of extremist women in all right movement. Um. And yeah, 622 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: being a loving mother who stays home is amazing, being 623 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: a supportive wife is amazing. Um. But just to reiterate, 624 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: we are talking about the usage of these things in 625 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: a way to encourage and push forward narratives of extremist 626 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: like white supremacy and dangerous conspiracies, the way those things 627 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: have been weaponized and used. Um. And this is just 628 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of what exists out there in terms 629 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: of information. So I'm sure, yeah, more, there's more, and 630 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to do more. You prize or have 631 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: you lost everything? Uh? 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