WEBVTT - Foundation Season 3 Episode 2 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.320 Worry. Today's episode Key Day's spoilish for Foundation season three 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:22.560 episode two. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.040 Rosday Night, and welcome back to Extra Image of the 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.680 podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.480 comics and pop culture. Company from my Heart podcast, where 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:36.199 we're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.920 plus the summer's biggest movies every Friday, and news on Saturday, 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:40.960 News on Saturday. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.599 In today's episode, we are digging deep into Foundations season 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.880 three episode two, Shadows in the Math. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.520 Are you ready? 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We will post all 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.240 of this on our socials and in our discord, of course. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:58.160 But first, Foundation all right, Foundation Season three, Episode two, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:04.120 Shadows in the Math. Let's bring in our resident dunehead, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.200 our resident Foundation freak super producer, Abou. How are you? 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:10.200 I'm doing great? 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.400 We open on ignis flashback one hundred and fifty one 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:19.440 years ago. The Mentallics are waking Gail from cryo sleep. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:26.079 They tell her, listen, the plan is going great. It's 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:30.160 going apace. They wake Harry. They both you know, look 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.560 at the plans and they're pleased. However, they do note 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:40.120 that there are some there's some deviations sneaking into the mathematics. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.840 All of their waking time, Harry and Gale is spent 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.400 doing two things one trying to figure out how do 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.760 we get this plan back on course as it tries 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.000 to nudge itself off course? And then how do we 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.400 teach the mentalics about psychohistory so they can deal with 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.720 shit while we're frozen. At a certain point, you know, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.320 once the Foundation goes out of its religious phase, Gail 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:04.760 is like, Hey, guess what, we don't have to do 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.880 the gods. You don't have to kneel to me anymore. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:08.800 We're out of the god phase. It's more of a 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.400 managerial phase. Now. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.320 I do need your OKRs on my desk by Friday 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.640 or the next time I wake up, whatever it comes first. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.200 We're in a new bureaucratic era. Gaiale and Harry pour 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.320 over the numbers and what they see is the Mule coming. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.480 Third crisis looming. It's going to be bad. They're updating 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.600 their models, they're trying to fix things, to figure out 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.720 like how they can predict this, but it's not going well. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.840 Harry comes up with a solution. How about I stay awake. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.080 I will stay awake and age you go to sleep 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.720 so that you can be young and fresh when your 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.880 confrontation with the Mule appears. They wake up again four 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.520 years before the main storyline began. In episode one of 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:55.000 this season, we meet prem Troy Kottzer from Coda. Gail, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.640 upon awakening, is alarmed to realize that Harry's has been 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.880 awake this whole time has been up, and she finds 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.520 him old and washed as hell, gazing up at a 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.200 comet like with his bare eyes staring up at the 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.960 at it's the bright sky. He looks like absolute shit, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:18.240 and he tells Gail, listen, time is more valuable than ever. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.320 The mule is coming. But before we get to that, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.720 check out these statues I carved of Salvoes. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.159 I love the shows, I will I will say I 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.039 love the show's version of Harry Salden because he he 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:40.200 is much more like arrogant and self centered and really 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.919 like up his own ass about his own prophecy, like 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.400 his own math. He loves himself so much in the show, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.840 which I appreciate. The books kind of glossed over that 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.159 version of Harry, and here we get like kind of 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.240 kind of a real dighead Harry, which I love. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:05:02.599 Actually, he kind of muses with Gail about how it 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.160 could be that the plan could be this far off course, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.120 and he wonders if it has something to do with 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.720 Gail her safe herself. You know, according to the original 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.719 version of the Psychohistory Plan, Gail was supposed to die, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.080 like back when Raychdive was not supposed to be here, 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:24.880 and the fact that she's here with like developing superhuman 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:30.520 powers influencing modern events is perhaps one of the reasons 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.520 that the plan is going so off course, they don't 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.640 come to a full answer about that. He then takes 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.120 out the Prime Radiant and he's like, here's everything I 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.640 know about all the Crisses. There's eight Crisises. They're only 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.479 heading towards the third one. And he tells her that 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.320 everything kind of hinges on the Invictus. Remember the ghost 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:58.080 ship from season one that was integral to the Foundation 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.320 defeating the Empire in their first kind of big clash. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.840 It's still out there and it's going to be important 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.480 apparently for the future. Harry goes off to rest and 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.400 his old friend Cale shows up. Remember Cale got Harry 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.520 his new body body Harry. We called this one body Harry. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:23.800 And then there's you know, there's Harry Hologram Harry's She's 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.240 just like in his quarters somehow, and she calls him 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.320 out for lying to Gail about what We never get 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.040 the answer to that, But what do you think it is? 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.680 What do you think he's lying to her about? 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.120 You know, my first instinct was he didn't exactly tell 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.040 her that he's about to die. He's going to die, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.000 and I thought that's what Cale was referencing. I thought 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.880 Cale was like, oh, you didn't tell her the part 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.040 where you're actually about to die and she should say 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.839 goodbye to you, and you're not going to give her 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.600 the chance to say goodbye to you and get closure 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.520 that way. I thought that's what she was criticizing. But 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.000 it could also be something about the plan that he 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:58.920 has yet to reveal. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.839 So then Harry is like, forget that, What about a 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.920 new body for me? What about a fresh one? Look 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.560 at how look at how wrinkled this one is. I'm 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:15.760 on my last legs. What an ask? Cayla is like, nope, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.960 that was your one reprieve. And then it's just an 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.720 amazing turn of events. Her eyes flash, she creates some 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.560 kind of portal through space and time. Does it go somewhere? 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.920 Harry is amazed, We are amazed. They go through and disappear, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.200 and we're left to wonder who Kyla is. She kind 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.720 of intimates in she says something to Harry about being 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.720 part of a race of beings who are like energy 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.640 and so or don't have bodies, so very interesting. Gail 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.200 comes to Harry's office, finds out he's gone. She can 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.280 feel it that he's disappeared. Pream comes to see her, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.360 and she's really sad about the fact that he left 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.400 without saying by so Preame's like, well, guess what, you 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.000 can see him right now? Come see the statue Harry 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:05.080 carved of himself. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.080 I have. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:17.200 I did. It's so funny and I love that. Harry's 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.160 version of humility is he doesn't he shows you the 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.480 other three other Yeah, right, he doesn't show you the 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.160 one he did of himself later and he'll have his 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:32.680 right hand guy should do that. So anyway, now that 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:38.160 Harry's off, Harry's off the board, Pream becomes Gail's right 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.319 hand guy. And it's Spream that wakes Gale up in 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.360 the present. She knows immediately that the mule is out there, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.520 that they're out of time. They try to discuss what 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.000 to do. They're looking at the calculations and they realize 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.000 now that the mule has taken Kalgan. The future is 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.320 on them now. It's happening now. The crisis is looming 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.559 right now, and the collapse of the Dark Ages aren't 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.920 going to take centuries to develop. It's gonna happen right away, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.240 maybe in the next few months. We go to Trantur, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.680 where the Cleons and Demarzel are also looking at the 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.520 calculations with her prime radiant. She says that something's been 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.400 casting shadows in the math for years. Day takes this 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.600 as his cue to be like, well, peace out, guys, deuces, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.840 I'm going back to my sex palace in the garden. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.040 I'll see you later. He leaves. He immediately leaves, which 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:37.880 I love drama. Dosk wonders if Demarzel, aren't you just 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.040 aren't you looking forward to the end, like this is 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.000 probably great for you, right, you know, no Cleons to 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.800 shepherd around anymore. And then he gets to the thing 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.160 that he really wants to ask, and has clearly wanted 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.439 to ask ever since we saw him in episode one 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:58.840 looking at versions of himself get burnt up and we 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.160 all deal with trauma friendly okay, Jay said, and he 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.160 basically is like man yea about ascension Day's coming up 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.240 in like a week. What if we push that back? 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.800 We've got a crisis looming, do we not? 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.280 Is that like a like we have to do it? 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.400 Day is not involved, right and we need all hands 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.720 on deck? So what if I stick around and I 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.920 just get that big talent stuff and was like hard, no, sorry, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.640 I'm a clock and uh, you know the timestick. We 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.800 go to Calgan. The Mule is living it up. We 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.720 get another display of his spooky powers. He's in the 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.280 former the late Lord of Kalgan's house, which is at 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.600 his house, and as we saw in episode one, he 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.040 had kidnapped the lord's daughter and he brings her out 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.520 in front of his new staff, this kind of the 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.600 new assembled staff of of his that he's trying to 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.240 get the loyalty from, and using his powers, he gets 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.920 Scarlet the daughter to like put a gun to her 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.160 head and he's counting, you know, to three, at which 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.560 point she's going to fire. And then a woman in 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.200 the in this lineup of servants cries cries out three 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.640 before the Mule can get there. And what the Mule 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.680 is doing is seeing how his powers are affecting these 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.199 different people. To see which of them he really has 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.679 to bear down on and which of them he can 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.520 just like buy osmosis, suggest stuff to and they will. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.720 Follow these orders, which implies that it takes a toll 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.680 on him to use these powers, and so he's being 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.240 strategic about how he does. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.600 He doesn't want to use them all the time, right, Yeah, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.040 it question for both of you. So after this he 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.560 dismisses everybody and then he's like, Scarlet, give me the gun, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.320 and she's like, no, he does get it from her, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.520 But what did you make of the fact that Scarlet 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.720 kind of resisted him for a little bit here. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.640 I think she's hart to like compel. I think as 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.199 you if we think of it as like a mita 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.480 that he asked to charge, it's gonna take more work 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.360 to bear down on her. That was my reading of this, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.440 And I also want a cool giant gold gun. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:12.280 It was a very cool gun. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.319 I actually have the exact opposite read of it. I 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:21.320 think that the urge to shoot herself is now buried 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.560 somewhere into her psyche, and so she doesn't want to 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.240 give him back the gun, Like maybe maybe it's actually 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.040 harder for him to undo something he's compelled someone to do. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.559 It only works one way. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.920 Perhaps, And it also is almost like a butterfly effect 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:37.720 thing where if he puts it in your mind, it 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.080 could like kind of. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.080 The seed is planted and it kind of is like 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.760 in the back of your mind constantly. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:44.760 Because he does. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.720 He has a weird line right after he hands it 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.400 back where he's like, you'll have a chance to do 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.319 it later or something like that. I'm paraphrasing. I don't 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.720 remember the exact line, but that to me implied like 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.880 you'll have a chance to shoot yourself later. Just bury 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.560 that instinct for now, give me the gun. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.400 It gonna be Definitely. I love that read because if 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.079 he can't undo things he wants to do and that comes, he. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.840 Doesn't want her to kill uself. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.800 Yeah, that could be a really interesting. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.880 Right, and it opens up like narratively, it opens up 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.640 a way to outsmart someone who has such an overpowered skill, right, 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.680 and it opens up consequences for using that skill and 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.640 a way for someone like Gail to outsmart him and 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.040 have it backfire on him. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.920 Another thing I've wondered about, and we don't have to 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.360 answer now, but just something I've been thinking about is 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:40.840 how potentially Harry and Gale's interaction with the mentalics started 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.880 the ball rolling on the mule and the and the 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.280 kind of tidal wave that is the mule because they 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.160 have similar powers, and is there some sort of interplay 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.240 between those two events. I'm eager to find that out. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.360 We go back to Trantor, where Day is gambling in 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.920 the barracks the soldiers. He is putting up a bunch 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.800 of like ancient imperious stuff, just like into the pot. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.920 But it's love, love, love love Day and this is 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.360 just like complete, just like having a great time and 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.080 just like well fuck it, like and I feel like 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.400 that is like a very reasonable and kind of normal 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.120 response for what he's going through and kind of the 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.880 understanding of his path. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.560 But there's no need to worry about him losing the stuff, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.120 because we do see that he is cheating, which makes 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.720 us wonder what other secrets they might be hiding. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.560 He's not following the cats. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.280 Certainly not. We meet Torren Marlow, who is a distant 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.280 relation to Hobra Malow. He might remember Hobra Malow from 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:50.560 season one, and Torren and his wife Beta are some 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:55.960 kind of like galactic influencers. They're sunbathing when the mule 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.280 blocks blocks the rays of the sun, so they get plan. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:05.160 They start complaining, and later when they go inside, Prichard, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.560 chief spy of the First Foundation, comes to see them 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.160 and basically says, hey, you guys have the perfect profile 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.800 of spies. We want you to go into the Mules 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.760 and the Mules having a party tonight. We want you 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.920 to go in there and just tell us what you see. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.560 They agree. We go back to Trantur a day is 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.800 in his sex garden. He's doing drugs, he's having sex, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.280 living it up. He's talking about Harry Selden. He's, for one, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.600 is kind of looking forward to the end of the Cleons. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:42.520 He's like, I think it's gonna be great. Dusk Dusk, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.800 who at this point, I think we can say, is 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:45.760 fully spiraling. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.880 Yes, this is like I found this to be kind 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.240 of really it's like funny to watch, but it's also 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.360 the kind of incredibly existential kind of horror that I 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.000 had as a child about die, where like I just 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.560 couldn't stop thinking find out about it, and you think 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.920 about it all the time, and you think about the 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.840 lack of things, You're not going to be able to 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:10.560 do anything. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.520 I was a very depressed child. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.400 I used to lay in bed with my ears covered 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.520 and think like, oh, this is what it's like when 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.480 I die, like with my eyes closed. Like I was 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.840 thinking it way too much, and that is him, like 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.160 he is struggling, and I understand why. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.480 So Dusk comes up and he's like, hey, Day, what's up? Hey? 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:38.440 Sorry about you know previously? What do you think about 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.000 pumping the brakes on a engin day? What if he 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:45.920 don't do it right away? 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.880 I was just walking to the grocery store and not 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.840 thinking about death, and I wanted to stop by and 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.040 get your thoughts on something. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.440 I just like having feeling. I was like, wait, maybe. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.960 Said you Day, like some fun? 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.720 How does he how does he feel about that? 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:02.920 Jason? What is they. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.840 Is like, Oh, you care about your body? That's interesting? 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.959 And then he just stabs himself in the arm and 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.840 slices it down so that the nanits, you know, the 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.879 nan Knights, immediately stitch it back up and then like 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.000 flicks the knife so that the blood goes on Dusk's face. 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.080 And it's basically the most dramatic way to say one 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.320 no and then two like get over it, Like you're 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600 so attached to your body we're gonna die, We're closed. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.919 Just stop drama. So now Dusk, having struck out with 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.560 Demarzel in the last episode and now uh and Nowaday 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:43.239 goes to see Dawn and he says, listen, I I 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:49.400 can't wait. I am. I am eager to hand over 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:54.800 the reins today as he becomes Dusk, and I promise 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.760 to do my best to help him in the very 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.639 few days that I have left. That said, Dawn, I 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.680 guess something really cool in secret that I've been working 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.440 on to show you, and not even Den Rosel knows 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:10.000 about it. And Don's intrigued. Later, Dusk meets with some 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.320 of his scientists that he's been working with to create 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.359 this secret thing. And the secret thing is the Navacular, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.359 a black hole weapon that he has had manufactured. They 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.359 tested on a planet and it just sucks the planet 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:29.000 in And Dusk insists that this weapon is for Dawn 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.560 to use only under the worst possible circumstances. What those 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.920 will be, we don't know. Later, Dusk and Dawn meet 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:42.280 with Ambassador Quent of the Foundation. They discuss Kalgan, They 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.040 discuss Mayor Inber and how the Foundation is in disarray, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.480 about the mule, and about Kalgan and what to do. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.119 Down is concerned that the mule may try to hold 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.760 on to the They're very it's troubling that the mule 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.640 hasn't just rated Kalgan and left. The fact that he's 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:06.320 staying there seems like a problem. Down leaves this this meeting, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.200 goes to his office, gets something out of a safe, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.520 turns it on and it's a communicator device. And who's 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.600 he talking to? He's talking to Gail? 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:15.960 Door? 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.639 What what? What? What? What? 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.080 Some? 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.800 This is very interesting, guys, huge, huge, huge hutus is 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.359 is he really talking to Gail? Do we think? Or 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.439 is it like a mule illusion? Can the mule do 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.480 this over those kind of distances? I think it is Gail. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.720 I think it's got to be Yale, truly Yale. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.680 I think it is Gail or it is a I 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.520 guess it can't be a recording of Gail because it 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.280 responded in real time. I think it's Gail. I don't 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.080 think it's any sort of trickery. I think the show 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:53.359 is saying, look, Empire and Foundation working together, common enemy 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:54.520 mule question mark. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.919 So here we here's where we are after this episode. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:05.520 The Empire is secretly working with the Traders to undermine 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:11.639 the Foundation. The Second Foundation is secretly working with with 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.560 Dawn soon to be Day to take on the Mule 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.119 and do what else we don't know. And then the 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.760 Mule is out there seemingly by himself, just causing all 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.080 kinds of havoc will be interesting to see. Oh and 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.320 I forgot. And then the First Foundation is working with 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:36.480 its own independently sourced spies against the judgment of its 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.880 own leadership in Mayor inber to investigate what the Mule 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:44.680 is up to. So currently three parties at work here, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.240 all working at cross purposes. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:50.200 Also, this is definitely coming again from my perspective from 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.199 outside of the Deep Foundation foundom but like to me, 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.840 after this episode, what does it seem like The likelihood 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.120 to me is the Mule is going to want to 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.600 stay on Kalgan with Scarlet. That feels like what's gonna happen, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.680 And I'm interested to see if they go that route, 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:13.080 especially after a Booze read on the Seed kind of 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.400 being in there. I feel like that Mule and Scarlet 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.720 relationship could go somewhere really interesting. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.680 Well, Rosie, two episodes in what do you think the 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:20.920 Mule's motivations are. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.600 I honestly like couldn't tell you. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.560 It's one of the things that's been really interesting to 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:31.520 me about the show is that I feel like we're 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.879 getting into again tropiness some sci fi stories. You know, 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.439 you're Darth Fade or something. When it's happening, you just 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.800 don't know why they're bad, why they're evil, right, But 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.880 I feel like with the Mule, there is a much 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:51.680 more interesting exploration of his powers, how he uses them, 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.160 why he uses them. So I do feel like there's 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.239 some kind of and if I'm looking at what I 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.439 feel like are quite heavy influences on like Dune, I 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.760 feel like the connection and the question that Jason asked about, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.800 like the mentaalics and the way that that potentially influenced 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.320 or created the meal could be a really interesting way 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.159 to explore that story further. But so that's kind of 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:17.160 my read on it right now. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.760 Yeah, that's fair. Well, sorry, Can I also nitpick one 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.199 more thing before we wrap up? Yeaheah, I hated the navacular. 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:28.159 I'm so annoyed this fucking death Star thing is in 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:28.640 this show. 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.040 I was gonna say, it's so death Star coded. 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.080 I didn't even bring it. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:34.440 I didn't even say it like. 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.080 Well it doesn't exist in the books. As the problem is, 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.200 like the Empire at this stage in this story should 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.199 not have this technology, right, Like a huge theme is 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.879 that Empire is degrading. It has been one hundred and 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:52.679 fifty plus years of Empire's technology degrading and Foundation's technology evolving, 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.719 and Foundation has overtaken Empire at this point in the books, 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:02.040 like they forget how to use new clear nuclear weapons 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.919 and like nucleics, and like they revert back to like 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.160 oil as a power source because Empire has stagnated so much. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.960