1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Worry. Today's episode Key Day's spoilish for Foundation season three 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: episode two. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm 3 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Rosday Night, and welcome back to Extra Image of the 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: comics and pop culture. 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Well, 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: we're gonna dig into it, but you'll have some exciting 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: news for you. 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Guys. 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: We are going to San Diego Comic Con. 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: And you've been saying where are you going to be? 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, on Thursday at twelve thirty, our panel with the 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: Rodenbury Does It Fly Podcast will be in Room twenty 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: four ABC. 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And if you want to hang out 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: with me and Jason, then join us at the Mission 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: Brewery for a meet and greet. We will post all 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: of this on our socials and in our discord, of course. 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: But first, Foundation all right, Foundation Season three, Episode two, 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Shadows in the Math. Let's bring in our resident dunehead, 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: our resident Foundation freak super producer, Abou. How are you? 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: I'm doing great? 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: We open on ignis flashback one hundred and fifty one 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: years ago. The Mentallics are waking Gail from cryo sleep. 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: They tell her, listen, the plan is going great. It's 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: going apace. They wake Harry. They both you know, look 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: at the plans and they're pleased. However, they do note 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: that there are some there's some deviations sneaking into the mathematics. 44 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: All of their waking time, Harry and Gale is spent 45 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: doing two things one trying to figure out how do 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: we get this plan back on course as it tries 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: to nudge itself off course? And then how do we 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: teach the mentalics about psychohistory so they can deal with 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: shit while we're frozen. At a certain point, you know, 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: once the Foundation goes out of its religious phase, Gail 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: is like, Hey, guess what, we don't have to do 52 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: the gods. You don't have to kneel to me anymore. 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: We're out of the god phase. It's more of a 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: managerial phase. Now. 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: I do need your OKRs on my desk by Friday 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 4: or the next time I wake up, whatever it comes first. 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: We're in a new bureaucratic era. Gaiale and Harry pour 58 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: over the numbers and what they see is the Mule coming. 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Third crisis looming. It's going to be bad. They're updating 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: their models, they're trying to fix things, to figure out 61 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: like how they can predict this, but it's not going well. 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Harry comes up with a solution. How about I stay awake. 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I will stay awake and age you go to sleep 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: so that you can be young and fresh when your 65 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: confrontation with the Mule appears. They wake up again four 66 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: years before the main storyline began. In episode one of 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: this season, we meet prem Troy Kottzer from Coda. Gail, 68 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: upon awakening, is alarmed to realize that Harry's has been 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: awake this whole time has been up, and she finds 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: him old and washed as hell, gazing up at a 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: comet like with his bare eyes staring up at the 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: at it's the bright sky. He looks like absolute shit, 73 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: and he tells Gail, listen, time is more valuable than ever. 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: The mule is coming. But before we get to that, 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: check out these statues I carved of Salvoes. 76 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 4: I love the shows, I will I will say I 77 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: love the show's version of Harry Salden because he he 78 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: is much more like arrogant and self centered and really 79 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 4: like up his own ass about his own prophecy, like 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: his own math. He loves himself so much in the show, 81 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: which I appreciate. The books kind of glossed over that 82 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 4: version of Harry, and here we get like kind of 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: kind of a real dighead Harry, which I love. 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Actually, he kind of muses with Gail about how it 85 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: could be that the plan could be this far off course, 86 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: and he wonders if it has something to do with 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: Gail her safe herself. You know, according to the original 88 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: version of the Psychohistory Plan, Gail was supposed to die, 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: like back when Raychdive was not supposed to be here, 90 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: and the fact that she's here with like developing superhuman 91 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: powers influencing modern events is perhaps one of the reasons 92 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: that the plan is going so off course, they don't 93 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: come to a full answer about that. He then takes 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: out the Prime Radiant and he's like, here's everything I 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: know about all the Crisses. There's eight Crisises. They're only 96 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: heading towards the third one. And he tells her that 97 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: everything kind of hinges on the Invictus. Remember the ghost 98 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: ship from season one that was integral to the Foundation 99 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: defeating the Empire in their first kind of big clash. 100 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: It's still out there and it's going to be important 101 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: apparently for the future. Harry goes off to rest and 102 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: his old friend Cale shows up. Remember Cale got Harry 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: his new body body Harry. We called this one body Harry. 104 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, there's Harry Hologram Harry's She's 105 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: just like in his quarters somehow, and she calls him 106 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: out for lying to Gail about what We never get 107 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: the answer to that, But what do you think it is? 108 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: What do you think he's lying to her about? 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: You know, my first instinct was he didn't exactly tell 110 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: her that he's about to die. He's going to die, 111 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: and I thought that's what Cale was referencing. I thought 112 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: Cale was like, oh, you didn't tell her the part 113 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 4: where you're actually about to die and she should say 114 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: goodbye to you, and you're not going to give her 115 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: the chance to say goodbye to you and get closure 116 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: that way. I thought that's what she was criticizing. But 117 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: it could also be something about the plan that he 118 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: has yet to reveal. 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: So then Harry is like, forget that, What about a 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: new body for me? What about a fresh one? Look 121 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: at how look at how wrinkled this one is. I'm 122 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: on my last legs. What an ask? Cayla is like, nope, 123 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: that was your one reprieve. And then it's just an 124 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: amazing turn of events. Her eyes flash, she creates some 125 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: kind of portal through space and time. Does it go somewhere? 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: Harry is amazed, We are amazed. They go through and disappear, 127 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: and we're left to wonder who Kyla is. She kind 128 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: of intimates in she says something to Harry about being 129 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: part of a race of beings who are like energy 130 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: and so or don't have bodies, so very interesting. Gail 131 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: comes to Harry's office, finds out he's gone. She can 132 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: feel it that he's disappeared. Pream comes to see her, 133 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: and she's really sad about the fact that he left 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: without saying by so Preame's like, well, guess what, you 135 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: can see him right now? Come see the statue Harry 136 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: carved of himself. 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: I have. 138 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I did. It's so funny and I love that. Harry's 139 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: version of humility is he doesn't he shows you the 140 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: other three other Yeah, right, he doesn't show you the 141 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: one he did of himself later and he'll have his 142 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: right hand guy should do that. So anyway, now that 143 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: Harry's off, Harry's off the board, Pream becomes Gail's right 144 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: hand guy. And it's Spream that wakes Gale up in 145 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: the present. She knows immediately that the mule is out there, 146 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: that they're out of time. They try to discuss what 147 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to do. They're looking at the calculations and they realize 148 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: now that the mule has taken Kalgan. The future is 149 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: on them now. It's happening now. The crisis is looming 150 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: right now, and the collapse of the Dark Ages aren't 151 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: going to take centuries to develop. It's gonna happen right away, 152 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: maybe in the next few months. We go to Trantur, 153 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: where the Cleons and Demarzel are also looking at the 154 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: calculations with her prime radiant. She says that something's been 155 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: casting shadows in the math for years. Day takes this 156 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: as his cue to be like, well, peace out, guys, deuces, 157 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm going back to my sex palace in the garden. 158 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I'll see you later. He leaves. He immediately leaves, which 159 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: I love drama. Dosk wonders if Demarzel, aren't you just 160 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: aren't you looking forward to the end, like this is 161 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: probably great for you, right, you know, no Cleons to 162 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: shepherd around anymore. And then he gets to the thing 163 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: that he really wants to ask, and has clearly wanted 164 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: to ask ever since we saw him in episode one 165 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: looking at versions of himself get burnt up and we 166 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: all deal with trauma friendly okay, Jay said, and he 167 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: basically is like man yea about ascension Day's coming up 168 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: in like a week. What if we push that back? 169 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: We've got a crisis looming, do we not? 170 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: Is that like a like we have to do it? 171 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: Day is not involved, right and we need all hands 172 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: on deck? So what if I stick around and I 173 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: just get that big talent stuff and was like hard, no, sorry, 174 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm a clock and uh, you know the timestick. We 175 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: go to Calgan. The Mule is living it up. We 176 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: get another display of his spooky powers. He's in the 177 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: former the late Lord of Kalgan's house, which is at 178 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: his house, and as we saw in episode one, he 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: had kidnapped the lord's daughter and he brings her out 180 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: in front of his new staff, this kind of the 181 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: new assembled staff of of his that he's trying to 182 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: get the loyalty from, and using his powers, he gets 183 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: Scarlet the daughter to like put a gun to her 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: head and he's counting, you know, to three, at which 185 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: point she's going to fire. And then a woman in 186 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: the in this lineup of servants cries cries out three 187 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: before the Mule can get there. And what the Mule 188 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: is doing is seeing how his powers are affecting these 189 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: different people. To see which of them he really has 190 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: to bear down on and which of them he can 191 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: just like buy osmosis, suggest stuff to and they will. 192 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: Follow these orders, which implies that it takes a toll 193 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: on him to use these powers, and so he's being 194 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 4: strategic about how he does. 195 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to use them all the time, right, Yeah, 196 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: it question for both of you. So after this he 197 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: dismisses everybody and then he's like, Scarlet, give me the gun, 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, he does get it from her, 199 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: But what did you make of the fact that Scarlet 200 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of resisted him for a little bit here. 201 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: I think she's hart to like compel. I think as 202 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: you if we think of it as like a mita 203 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: that he asked to charge, it's gonna take more work 204 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: to bear down on her. That was my reading of this, 205 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: And I also want a cool giant gold gun. 206 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: It was a very cool gun. 207 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 4: I actually have the exact opposite read of it. I 208 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: think that the urge to shoot herself is now buried 209 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 4: somewhere into her psyche, and so she doesn't want to 210 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: give him back the gun, Like maybe maybe it's actually 211 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: harder for him to undo something he's compelled someone to do. 212 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 4: It only works one way. 213 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: Perhaps, And it also is almost like a butterfly effect 214 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: thing where if he puts it in your mind, it 215 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: could like kind of. 216 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: The seed is planted and it kind of is like 217 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: in the back of your mind constantly. 218 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Because he does. 219 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 4: He has a weird line right after he hands it 220 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: back where he's like, you'll have a chance to do 221 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 4: it later or something like that. I'm paraphrasing. I don't 222 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: remember the exact line, but that to me implied like 223 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: you'll have a chance to shoot yourself later. Just bury 224 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: that instinct for now, give me the gun. 225 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: It gonna be Definitely. I love that read because if 226 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: he can't undo things he wants to do and that comes, he. 227 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't want her to kill uself. 228 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a really interesting. 229 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: Right, and it opens up like narratively, it opens up 230 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: a way to outsmart someone who has such an overpowered skill, right, 231 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 4: and it opens up consequences for using that skill and 232 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: a way for someone like Gail to outsmart him and 233 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: have it backfire on him. 234 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Another thing I've wondered about, and we don't have to 235 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: answer now, but just something I've been thinking about is 236 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: how potentially Harry and Gale's interaction with the mentalics started 237 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the ball rolling on the mule and the and the 238 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: kind of tidal wave that is the mule because they 239 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: have similar powers, and is there some sort of interplay 240 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: between those two events. I'm eager to find that out. 241 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: We go back to Trantor, where Day is gambling in 242 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: the barracks the soldiers. He is putting up a bunch 243 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: of like ancient imperious stuff, just like into the pot. 244 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 5: But it's love, love, love love Day and this is 245 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 5: just like complete, just like having a great time and 246 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 5: just like well fuck it, like and I feel like 247 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: that is like a very reasonable and kind of normal 248 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: response for what he's going through and kind of the 249 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: understanding of his path. 250 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: But there's no need to worry about him losing the stuff, 251 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: because we do see that he is cheating, which makes 252 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: us wonder what other secrets they might be hiding. 253 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: He's not following the cats. 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: Certainly not. We meet Torren Marlow, who is a distant 255 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: relation to Hobra Malow. He might remember Hobra Malow from 256 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: season one, and Torren and his wife Beta are some 257 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: kind of like galactic influencers. They're sunbathing when the mule 258 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: blocks blocks the rays of the sun, so they get plan. 259 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: They start complaining, and later when they go inside, Prichard, 260 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: chief spy of the First Foundation, comes to see them 261 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: and basically says, hey, you guys have the perfect profile 262 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: of spies. We want you to go into the Mules 263 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: and the Mules having a party tonight. We want you 264 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: to go in there and just tell us what you see. 265 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: They agree. We go back to Trantur a day is 266 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: in his sex garden. He's doing drugs, he's having sex, 267 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: living it up. He's talking about Harry Selden. He's, for one, 268 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: is kind of looking forward to the end of the Cleons. 269 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: He's like, I think it's gonna be great. Dusk Dusk, 270 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: who at this point, I think we can say, is 271 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: fully spiraling. 272 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: Yes, this is like I found this to be kind 273 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: of really it's like funny to watch, but it's also 274 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: the kind of incredibly existential kind of horror that I 275 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: had as a child about die, where like I just 276 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: couldn't stop thinking find out about it, and you think 277 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: about it all the time, and you think about the 278 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: lack of things, You're not going to be able to 279 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: do anything. 280 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I was a very depressed child. 281 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: I used to lay in bed with my ears covered 282 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: and think like, oh, this is what it's like when 283 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: I die, like with my eyes closed. Like I was 284 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: thinking it way too much, and that is him, like 285 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: he is struggling, and I understand why. 286 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: So Dusk comes up and he's like, hey, Day, what's up? Hey? 287 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: Sorry about you know previously? What do you think about 288 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: pumping the brakes on a engin day? What if he 289 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: don't do it right away? 290 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 4: I was just walking to the grocery store and not 291 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: thinking about death, and I wanted to stop by and 292 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: get your thoughts on something. 293 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: I just like having feeling. I was like, wait, maybe. 294 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: Said you Day, like some fun? 295 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: How does he how does he feel about that? 296 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: Jason? What is they. 297 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: Is like, Oh, you care about your body? That's interesting? 298 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: And then he just stabs himself in the arm and 299 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: slices it down so that the nanits, you know, the 300 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: nan Knights, immediately stitch it back up and then like 301 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: flicks the knife so that the blood goes on Dusk's face. 302 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: And it's basically the most dramatic way to say one 303 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: no and then two like get over it, Like you're 304 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: so attached to your body we're gonna die, We're closed. 305 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: Just stop drama. So now Dusk, having struck out with 306 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: Demarzel in the last episode and now uh and Nowaday 307 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: goes to see Dawn and he says, listen, I I 308 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: can't wait. I am. I am eager to hand over 309 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: the reins today as he becomes Dusk, and I promise 310 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: to do my best to help him in the very 311 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: few days that I have left. That said, Dawn, I 312 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: guess something really cool in secret that I've been working 313 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: on to show you, and not even Den Rosel knows 314 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: about it. And Don's intrigued. Later, Dusk meets with some 315 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: of his scientists that he's been working with to create 316 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: this secret thing. And the secret thing is the Navacular, 317 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: a black hole weapon that he has had manufactured. They 318 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: tested on a planet and it just sucks the planet 319 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: in And Dusk insists that this weapon is for Dawn 320 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: to use only under the worst possible circumstances. What those 321 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: will be, we don't know. Later, Dusk and Dawn meet 322 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: with Ambassador Quent of the Foundation. They discuss Kalgan, They 323 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: discuss Mayor Inber and how the Foundation is in disarray, 324 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: about the mule, and about Kalgan and what to do. 325 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: Down is concerned that the mule may try to hold 326 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: on to the They're very it's troubling that the mule 327 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: hasn't just rated Kalgan and left. The fact that he's 328 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: staying there seems like a problem. Down leaves this this meeting, 329 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: goes to his office, gets something out of a safe, 330 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: turns it on and it's a communicator device. And who's 331 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: he talking to? He's talking to Gail? 332 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: Door? 333 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: What what? What? What? What? 334 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: Some? 335 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: This is very interesting, guys, huge, huge, huge hutus is 336 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: is he really talking to Gail? Do we think? Or 337 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: is it like a mule illusion? Can the mule do 338 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: this over those kind of distances? I think it is Gail. 339 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: I think it's got to be Yale, truly Yale. 340 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 4: I think it is Gail or it is a I 341 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: guess it can't be a recording of Gail because it 342 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 4: responded in real time. I think it's Gail. I don't 343 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: think it's any sort of trickery. I think the show 344 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: is saying, look, Empire and Foundation working together, common enemy 345 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 4: mule question mark. 346 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: So here we here's where we are after this episode. 347 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: The Empire is secretly working with the Traders to undermine 348 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: the Foundation. The Second Foundation is secretly working with with 349 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: Dawn soon to be Day to take on the Mule 350 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: and do what else we don't know. And then the 351 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: Mule is out there seemingly by himself, just causing all 352 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: kinds of havoc will be interesting to see. Oh and 353 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: I forgot. And then the First Foundation is working with 354 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: its own independently sourced spies against the judgment of its 355 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: own leadership in Mayor inber to investigate what the Mule 356 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: is up to. So currently three parties at work here, 357 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: all working at cross purposes. 358 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: Also, this is definitely coming again from my perspective from 359 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: outside of the Deep Foundation foundom but like to me, 360 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: after this episode, what does it seem like The likelihood 361 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 2: to me is the Mule is going to want to 362 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: stay on Kalgan with Scarlet. That feels like what's gonna happen, 363 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: And I'm interested to see if they go that route, 364 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: especially after a Booze read on the Seed kind of 365 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: being in there. I feel like that Mule and Scarlet 366 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: relationship could go somewhere really interesting. 367 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 4: Well, Rosie, two episodes in what do you think the 368 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: Mule's motivations are. 369 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: I honestly like couldn't tell you. 370 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: It's one of the things that's been really interesting to 371 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: me about the show is that I feel like we're 372 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: getting into again tropiness some sci fi stories. You know, 373 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: you're Darth Fade or something. When it's happening, you just 374 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: don't know why they're bad, why they're evil, right, But 375 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: I feel like with the Mule, there is a much 376 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: more interesting exploration of his powers, how he uses them, 377 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: why he uses them. So I do feel like there's 378 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 2: some kind of and if I'm looking at what I 379 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 2: feel like are quite heavy influences on like Dune, I 380 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: feel like the connection and the question that Jason asked about, 381 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: like the mentaalics and the way that that potentially influenced 382 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: or created the meal could be a really interesting way 383 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: to explore that story further. But so that's kind of 384 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: my read on it right now. 385 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. Well, sorry, Can I also nitpick one 386 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 4: more thing before we wrap up? Yeaheah, I hated the navacular. 387 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 4: I'm so annoyed this fucking death Star thing is in 388 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 4: this show. 389 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's so death Star coded. 390 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: I didn't even bring it. 391 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: I didn't even say it like. 392 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: Well it doesn't exist in the books. As the problem is, 393 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 4: like the Empire at this stage in this story should 394 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 4: not have this technology, right, Like a huge theme is 395 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 4: that Empire is degrading. It has been one hundred and 396 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: fifty plus years of Empire's technology degrading and Foundation's technology evolving, 397 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 4: and Foundation has overtaken Empire at this point in the books, 398 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: like they forget how to use new clear nuclear weapons 399 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 4: and like nucleics, and like they revert back to like 400 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 4: oil as a power source because Empire has stagnated so much. 401 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 4: I just don't feel like we're seeing enough stagnation in 402 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: the show for Empire. It's this feels like the same 403 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 4: Empire that we knew in episode one, season one, but. 404 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: They have to use mass transit. Now, sure they don't 405 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: have their own ships, but they're creating Themsell. Will you 406 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: go on Expedia and find out when the next transport, Yeah, Ignus. 407 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 2: Is and then can you make it like a zillow 408 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: so we can find a secret place to get up 409 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: put a secret black hole. 410 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that that is my I just wanted to 411 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 4: nitpick that this one tiny thing about this episode. I 412 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: was extremely bothered by the navacular. I don't think it 413 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: makes sense. It's too Star Wars coded. I'm not sure 414 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: what the creative choice here is. 415 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: Does it does it also set up like an Ope 416 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: situation when now that too that overpowered because they do 417 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: have like a Black Cole creation machine that can destroy planets. 418 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 419 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: I think what it's setting up is like, oh no, 420 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: the mule has taken over the navacular, what are we 421 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 4: gonna do? I think it's setting up like big steaks 422 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 4: for the Mule fight. But I feel like there's already 423 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 4: stakes with the Mule fight. I didn't need a planet 424 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: strawing weapon thrown into the mix as well. 425 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm just confused about what Dusk listen. I think that 426 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: the navacular, while whatever he means for it, you don't 427 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: create that and then go get vaporized. He's gonna scound 428 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Dusk is not going anywhere. Okay. 429 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: He made so like and then showed it to Dawn 430 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: and was like some and it's like, yeah, the west 431 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: Poncipal circumstances fit Dusk. 432 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm. 433 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: Getting vaporized, So he's going to be using it. 434 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: It'll be fascinating to see what he does, because again 435 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: I do not believe that you make that and then 436 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: go okay, bye, see you later, and which leads me 437 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: to just wonder, like what he I don't know that 438 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: we know what he intends to aim that at, so 439 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see that. Welcome to another edition 440 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: of the Omnibus, where lore, analysis and understanding come together. 441 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about predicting the future. A history of 442 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: real life psychohistories foundation. The television show begins with the 443 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: brilliant mathematician Harry Selden defending himself in Imperial court on 444 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: charges of accurately predicting the fall of the Empire using psychohistory, 445 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: which is Harry's patented mix of math, sociology, and whatever 446 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: other kind of genius wizardry he's sprinkled in. There, Seldon 447 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: sees the fall of empire and an age of societal 448 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: collapse and violent chaos known as the Dark Ages, all 449 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: of which is looming unless steps are taken to lesson 450 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: its impact. Selden's fictional trial is, in a way the 451 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: culmination of the work of non fictional people and the 452 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: deeply human urge of all kinds of folks from different 453 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: walks of life, from ancient hunter gatherers to classical era 454 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: prophesiers and seers to modern day scientists, all trying to 455 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: do the same thing, which is figure out what happens 456 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: next and plan accordingly. Let's start approximately twenty thousand years ago. 457 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: Paleolithic hunter gatherers, using pain derived from ochre heematite and charcoal, 458 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: decorated caves in what is now Spain in France with 459 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: images of animals. You've seen these, probably they're beautiful. These 460 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: grand creations are dominated by depictions of prey animals bison, deer, 461 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: and so on, and archaeologists and scientists have long wondered 462 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: about these peculiar markings that are next to these herds 463 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: of animals. There are like little dots and little lines. 464 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Could these have been some early form of writing, an 465 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: early form of religious ritual? Unknown? However, a recent hypothesis 466 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: published in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal in twenty twenty three 467 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: asserts with I think some pretty compelling evidence that these 468 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: marks actually correspond to months. In essence, if this paper 469 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: titled in Upper Paleolithic proto Writing System and Archaeological Calendar 470 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: is correct, what these ancient hunters were trying to do 471 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: was communicate to others when the animal depicted next to 472 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: the dot and line would migrate or mate, thus telling 473 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: future generations how to hunt successfully and creating again if correct. 474 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: Perhaps the earliest known example of humans predicting the cycles 475 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: of nature and predicting the future. Let's fast forward now 476 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: to ancient Greece the eighth century BC. Politicians, generals, and 477 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: even everyday folks probably trek to Delfi's Temple of Apollo, 478 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: where the Pythia, the high priestess there, would breathe in 479 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: some form of mystical fumes, possibly ethylene released from nearby 480 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: chasms deep chasms in the earth, and then speak prophecies 481 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: in cryptic stone verses. The oracle was consulted often in 482 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: times of dire crisis when no one could figure out 483 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: what the next move should be, but unsurprisingly, the answers 484 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: were ambiguous. The classic tale comes to us from Herodotus. 485 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: Can Crocius of Lydia asks the Pythia if he should 486 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: attack Persia, and the oracle replies, if you cross the river, 487 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: a great empire will fall and you can figure out 488 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: what happens next. Cross is like, yeah, I'm going to 489 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: attack Persia. But spoiler alerted, it was his empire that 490 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: fell apart. This is herodotous, though, so we don't know 491 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: how much of that is legit. Across the ancient world, 492 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: humans tried every method imaginable to glimpse the future. Babylonian 493 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: astrologers mapped the night sky, believing the motion of the 494 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: planets its stars foretold events on Earth. We're still doing that. 495 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: If Mars rose in a certain constellation, maybe a king 496 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: would die or a war would be born. These Babylonian 497 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: priests were essentially the first data analysts, collecting celestial observations 498 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: on clay tablets looking for Meanwhile, in ancient China, diviners 499 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: heated tortoise shells until they cracked to read the patterns there. 500 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: In ancient Rome, augurs watched the flight of birds past 501 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: windows and sacrificed animals to inspect their entrails to decide 502 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: if the future would be favorable or not. The idea 503 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: was that there are clues everywhere in the world, in 504 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: the universe and the natural world, if you know where 505 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: to look. And let's not forget that magicians and seers 506 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: beyond official priesthoods were also at play, working with the 507 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: common people. Every culture had soothsayers, and visionaries. The Bible 508 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: talks about Joseph interpret interpreting Pharaoh's dreams of skinny cows 509 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: and fat cows in order to predict famine. In myth 510 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: and legend, we hear of seers like Cassandra from Troy, 511 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: from ancient Troy, who was cursed to predict true futures 512 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: that no one would believe. Fast forward to the Renaissance 513 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: and you get figures like Nostradamus, the sixteenth century French 514 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: apothecary guy who published cryptic poems in the form of quatrains, 515 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: these kind of foe lined poems that, according to later 516 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: people who studied this, predicted everything from the rise of 517 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Napoleon to great famines to the appearance of Hitler. In reality, 518 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, go read them. You can't figure you can't 519 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: really figure out what those things are. But the fact 520 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: is that we love this stuff, and people throughout history, 521 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: ancient people and people today, and people certainly for as 522 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: long as there are human beings, will love and will 523 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: subscribe to the idea that somehow someone might have figured 524 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: out how to predict the future. If there's one thing, well, 525 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: let me take that again. However, it's one thing to 526 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: ask about how the market's going to move, or whether 527 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: we should go to war, or whether we should harvest. 528 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: It's another thing to predict the end of the world entirely, 529 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: and of course this is something that generation after generation 530 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: people have tried to do. A veritable parade of Harry 531 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: Selden's can be found all throughout the pages of history 532 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: and all around the world, often as evidenced by the 533 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: fact that we're still here. These end of time dates 534 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: come and go or get pushed back continually because what 535 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: happens nothing really happens, and many people are left disappointed. 536 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: Medieval Europe had waves of apocalyptic fever throughout history, often 537 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: around New Year's that turned from to big round numbers, 538 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, from year nine to ninety nine to year 539 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: one thousand. We can jump to the nineteenth century to 540 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: see more modern day versions of this. There was a 541 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: guy named William Miller, preacher from up state New York, 542 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: who predicted that Jesus would return on October twenty second, 543 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four. The I love the details. Thousands of 544 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: his followers, the Millerites got ready, They prayed, they gave 545 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: away their money, They made white robes with which to 546 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: float up to heaven in and then than Avin. The 547 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: day became known as the Great Disappointment to the Miller Rights. 548 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: People wept, some lost faith, some recalculated, and this pattern 549 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: is repeated all throughout the twentieth In the twenty first centuries, 550 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: some of us might remember the twenty twelve Mayan calendar hype. 551 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: This was big for young people of my generation who 552 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: would go to raves and stuff. You know, you'd eat 553 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: some mushrooms or smoke some hash and then be talking 554 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: about it. And the next thing you know, some guy 555 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: with dreadlocks and crystals is telling you how the Mayans 556 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: predicted the end of everything and it was coming. This is, 557 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: of course, a misinterpretation of the mind cycles that somehow 558 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: convinced folks that the world would end. On December twenty first, 559 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, new agers held countdown parties. There was a 560 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: big budget disaster movie. You may remember, but what happened, 561 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: Nothing happened, We're fine. Or about Harold Camping. Some might 562 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: remember Harold Camping. He was an American radio evangelist who 563 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: confidently broadcast the Judgment Day would happen on May twenty first, 564 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Followers spent their life savings, buying billboards, trying 565 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: to warn people the end is coming, the end is coming. 566 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: Then nothing happened, he missed. He then recalculated, Okay, sorry 567 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: I did, I didn't carry the one or whatever. October 568 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty eleven, when that date also passed uneventally uneventfully, 569 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: Camping said, quote, we humbly acknowledged we were wrong about 570 00:34:52,680 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: the timing. Eventually, a new idea in this kind of 571 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,959 Speaker 1: prediction to science to cold and that was that maybe 572 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: it was a science. Maybe using the knowledge we unearthed 573 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and the Enlightenment, the 574 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: industrial evolution, and the new scientific discoveries, maybe using the 575 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: techniques learned in that era, we could actually predict with 576 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: some accuracy the future of Newton's laws for instance, for instance, 577 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: could break the motions of planets and bodies in space. 578 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: Why could we not find laws that predict the motion 579 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: of history. One of these people was August Compti. He 580 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: was in nineteenth century French philosopher often credited as being 581 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: the father of sociology family. He famously said the goal 582 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: of knowledge is quote to predict in order to control 583 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: which sounds. Admittedly, like us super villain motto. But I 584 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of these kind of urges to predict 585 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: the future do have that kind of evil undertone to it. 586 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: But Comti was absolutely serious. He envisioned a physics of society, 587 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: a science of human behavior that would be as predictive 588 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: as any other science. But of course humans are much 589 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: much trickier than planets. I mean, consider the fact that 590 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: you are you and nobody knows you better than you. 591 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: But do you even know yourself? Like we have to 592 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: go to therapy to figure that out. So how could 593 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: August Comti or anybody else figure out? It's very difficult. 594 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, there was Thomas Malthus, an English 595 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: economists and preacher who in seventeen ninety eight kind of 596 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: looked around the globe at population growth and in balance 597 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: with available resources and saw doom. He thought that populations 598 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: because they tend to increase exponentially while food production is available. 599 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: But as fruit production grows slower, the rate of population 600 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: increase gets slower as well. He extrapulated this. He extrapolated 601 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: this trend and concluded that we're headed for a mass 602 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: famine point at some point in the future. His warning 603 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: was very influential. You might have heard the term Malthusian collapse. 604 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: It comes from him, and his ideas kicked off a 605 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: lot of debates. It They influenced Charles Darwin on his 606 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: ideas of survival of the fittest, and for a while 607 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds it really looked like, hey, maybe 608 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: Malthus was right. There were famines, most famously the devastating 609 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: Irish potato familine, which seemed to validate his theories, but 610 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: overall it didn't happen. Why Because science created new fertilizers 611 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: that would enable us to grow more food, because of 612 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: developments in medical technology, etc. Maltheus didn't foresee these things. 613 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: So his nineteenth century prophecy of inevitable famine turned out 614 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: to be a bit like a wrong equation, or perhaps 615 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: a right equation missing some crucial variables, much like Harry 616 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: Seldon's psychohistory, which it's impossible not to note every time 617 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: he pops out of cryo sleep, it's like, oops, the 618 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: math is wrong. Still, Maltheus deserves a shout out as 619 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: an Enlightenment era attempt to scientifically predict the future of society. 620 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: He took prediction out of the realm of you know, 621 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: strange inhaled gases and crystal balls and actually tried to 622 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: make something real and coherent out of it. And in 623 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: a way he was doing the kind of trend line 624 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: extrapolation that modern data analysts do. The futurists of the 625 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: twentieth century. If the eighteen hundreds got the ball rolling 626 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: on scientific prediction, the twentieth century kicked it into overdrive. 627 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: And in fact, I think you'll find that we use 628 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: these predictive technologies every day, all the time. After two 629 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: world wars, entering a Cold war, prediction became kind of 630 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: a matter of global survival. Now that weapons of mass 631 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: destruction were capable of taking out the entire planet were 632 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: in play, governments and institutions poured resources into anything that 633 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: could give them the edge on whatever's coming around the corner. 634 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: And this is the era when futurists became an actual profession. 635 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: The think tank guy, the researcher. Most famous, perhaps in 636 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: the United States, is the Rand Corporation. Originally formed after 637 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: w after World War II to advise the Air Force. 638 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: Rand basically became a factory of future scenarios. They pioneered 639 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: pioneered techniques like scenario planning, systematically exploring how possible futures 640 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: might unfold. What if the Soviets invade Germany? What do 641 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: we do? What if the Soviets Launchanuka at England? What 642 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: do we do? They even developed something called the Delphi method, 643 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: a structured way of polling expert researchers elite opinion makers 644 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: to make forecasts about the future, and funnily enough, they 645 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: named it Delphi after the ancient oracle at Delphi. No 646 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: goat entrails, just questionnaires, which is a bit more boring 647 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: than pytheis transport, perhaps more reliable. Rand analysts also used 648 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: the earliest versions of computers to run war games and simulations, 649 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: basically trying to map out the future in much the 650 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: way Doctor Strange in Infinity War scan through fourteen million 651 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: different possible outcomes to try and give us the most 652 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: likely path to success. They always get it right now, 653 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: but the idea was if you consider enough possibilities, maybe 654 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: you won't get caught off guard. But outside the military 655 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: industrial complex, others were also trying to predict futures for humanity. 656 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy two, a group of MIT scientists working 657 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: for the Club of Rome released a bombshell study called 658 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: The Limits to Growth. They built off one of the 659 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: first computer models of the entire global economy and crunched 660 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: the numbers and figured out that in a business as 661 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: usual kind of scenario, if we were running the global 662 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: economy the same exact way after year after year, there 663 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: would come a point where we would hit a wall 664 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: somewhere in the twenty first century, around twenty fifty twenty seventy, 665 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: which would lead to a collapse of population, collapse of 666 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: industrial output, collapse of economies, and probably warfamine, all the 667 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: other kind of Harry Seldon esque stuff. The report was 668 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: a bestseller, sparked a lot of debate that we're still 669 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: debating it today. Over the decades, people have checked in 670 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: just to see, well, how good did that? How good 671 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: was that model? And depending on who you ask, the 672 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: Limits to Growth was either remarkably accurate some of its findings, 673 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 1: like the curves in the CO two emissions, seem right 674 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: on track, or it's too simplistic. But the legacy of 675 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: it is huge, and here we are in the twenty 676 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: first century where prediction is basically like every day, in 677 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: your pocket, do you check the weather. You're checking some 678 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of complex simulation that it crunches insane amounts of 679 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: data to tell you if it's going to be sunny, 680 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: or if it's going to rain, or what the air 681 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: quality is going to be. Scroll through TikTok your YouTube, 682 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: you're getting delivered content based on an algorithm that learned 683 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: from you the kind of stuff you like. You ever 684 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: wonder why the videos you see at two am when 685 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: you reach for your phone are not the videos you 686 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: see at ten am or at eleven thirty am when 687 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: you're taking a break from work. It's because the algorithm 688 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: is trying to predict what you like, and it's probably 689 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: pretty good at it. On a much more ominous and 690 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: serious note, algorithms are now being used in policing and 691 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: criminal justice and for the observation and subjugation of mass 692 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: peoples and eerily reminiscent events and an event eerily reminiscent 693 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: to minority report. So called predictive policing software takes crime 694 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: stats and tries to forecast, like where crimes are likely 695 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: to happen so the police can deploy resources there. You 696 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: don't have to be a Harry Seldon to kind of 697 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: figure out all the ways that this could go awry, 698 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: but more on that hopefully actually hopefully much less on 699 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: that in the future. So at the end of this 700 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: World Wind tour, let's bring it back to Foundation and 701 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: Harry Seldon. After all this effort, Are we any good 702 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: at this? It certainly seems like we're good in the 703 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: short term, right. We're very good with algorithm that predict 704 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: what you might want to do in the next twenty 705 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: minutes or might want to see next, And we're good 706 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: at the very long term. We're probably very good at saying, Okay, 707 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: in ten thousand years, the earth will look like this, 708 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: But in terms of the medium term trying to figure 709 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: out what's going to happen in the next three, five, 710 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: twenty years, not so much. On this week's episodes of 711 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: Extra Vision, we're diving into Marvel's first family, the Fantastic Four. 712 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: We have two prep episodes for you Tuesday and Thursday, 713 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: and then our instant reactions to the film on Friday. 714 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: That's it. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. 715 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 4: Every Ready, Bye bye. 716 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,720 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and rosday 717 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 718 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique. 719 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: And Aaron Koleman. 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