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Speaker 1: Twenty five year old Luja Bolanger was what you might

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Speaker 1: He wasn't chasing big antlers, and he didn't sit in

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Speaker 1: He went out and found one, and even though we'll

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Speaker 2: Here's Linda and then about nine o'clock we just said, well,

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Speaker 1: Lujia had been dropped off about a mile from the

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Speaker 2: Ere So I called next door and said, ludj home yet,

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Speaker 2: So they went looking on smobiles following his name.

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Speaker 1: As nightfall approach and the search party still hadn't found

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Speaker 1: The state police wouldn't get involved until Ludra had been

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Speaker 1: You might assume that Lujia had just found a deer

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Speaker 2: I kind of got a little messed up emotionally, and

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Speaker 1: In any movements, Linda's reaction to her husband's disappearance might

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Speaker 2: I remember getting up the next morning, is what I remember,

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Speaker 2: That's the memory that I have in my mind.

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Speaker 1: The friends and family who filled that house knew that

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Speaker 1: losing Lusia would be a blow not only to his

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Speaker 2: No, he was a down to earth guy. He would

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Speaker 2: He loved life, he loved his family. We were building

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Speaker 1: Lujia Blanders disappeared, which remains one of Maine's oldest unsolved cases.

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Speaker 1: But this isn't your typical cold case, with scant clues,

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Speaker 3: To insurance fraud to murder.

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Speaker 3: Part one, Deer tracks layer of the station.

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Speaker 1: When Linda called to report her husband missing, the main

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Speaker 1: The problem from where we're standing in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't know much more about this case than I've

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Speaker 1: Darren spoke with twelve game wardens about the two cases

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Speaker 4: they've got great stories too, Like, you shouldn't just have

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Speaker 1: One of those wardens was John Marsh, who gave Darren

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Speaker 1: Josh Haines, who is currently in charge of Lujra's case

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Speaker 1: Names have been changed and some of the other minor

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Speaker 1: To their credit, the wardens didn't let their personal opinions

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Speaker 1: He was hunting this neighbor, a guy named Clayton Crosby,

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Speaker 4: The receipt that was found was really a lucky break

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Speaker 1: The receipt was dated for the previous day, the day

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Speaker 4: Because the receipt had the suspects residents on it, their

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Speaker 1: The snow along the road told them Luja was alive

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Speaker 1: The owner, a guy named Sully, was more than happy

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Speaker 4: The guy at the garage was all bent sideways over

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Speaker 4: And he had told him that, and they yelled at him,

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Speaker 1: Selly thought he'd gotten rid of these two yahoos. But

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Speaker 4: Jerk, and he said when they came back in, the

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Speaker 4: They were even drunker, more intoxicated than when they had

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Speaker 4: though he had told them, guys, there's nothing I can

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Speaker 1: Names in this episode for the same reason.

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Speaker 1: This story crosses the line from rumor and hearsay to

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Speaker 1: After confirming with Linda that Lujer didn't know either of

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Speaker 4: He was home alone, and he stonewalled them at first,

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Speaker 1: But Warden Marsh wasn't someone to be true with either,

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Speaker 4: We found this receipt. We know you were there, so

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Speaker 1: The way things turned out, the Warden should have gone

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Speaker 1: The wardens didn't believe this story either, because there had

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Speaker 4: So what they ended up doing is the warden split up.

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Speaker 1: of the shells was missing. He also noticed a knife

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00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: on the table that had already been cleaned, which made

435
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: him start to wonder, So he walked over to the

436
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: fridge and opened the door to the freezer.

437
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: Anyone who hunts will know what I mean when I

438
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: say there were a bunch of packages of meat wrapped

439
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: in white freezer paper. He went and tested one of

440
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: the packages with his hands and it was still soft,

441
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 4: so you know they hadn't been in the freezer for long.

442
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't frozen through clearly.

443
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: According to Sully, Lenny had made a point to complain

444
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: about how there weren't any deer left in Maine and

445
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: that they hadn't had any luck.

446
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: The previous morning.

447
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: He'd also told the wardens that even though he'd been

448
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: hunting in the Washington area, he hadn't killed anything. The

449
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: still warm packages of deer meat and his freezer proved

450
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: he'd been lying about the deer, and Marsh wondered if

451
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: that meat had come from the one that Ludra had killed.

452
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: The suspect and Warden Hennessy came back up and basically

453
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: he could tell for Warden Nnscy's demeanor and the things

454
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: that he was saying is let's get out of here,

455
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: like we got to go talk, so you know, they.

456
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: Got out of there.

457
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: The pair exchanged information once they were back in their cruiser,

458
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: which is when Warden Marsh pulled one of those packages

459
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: of deer meat from his pocket.

460
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: Warden Hennessy was a bit freaked out over that because

461
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: obviously it would never be admissible in court, and ward

462
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 4: and Marsh didn't care, you know. At that point he

463
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: basically said, book, this guy's dirty. We're gonna get a

464
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: lot on him. But if this package of meat helps

465
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 4: us identify that these are the guys and helps us

466
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: find Lujah Blanger or his remains.

467
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: Like, I don't care.

468
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: Like we need to get this in the lab.

469
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: We need to figure this out.

470
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: What Marsha and Hennessey discovered inside that house was only

471
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: the beginning. The deeper they dug, the more perilous the

472
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: trail became. Evidence destroyed, witnesses, intimidated, home burned to the ground,

473
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: and a shocking confession that would take years to surface.

474
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: That's after the Break on Blood Trails, Part five the party.

475
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: The evidence the wardens had collected thus far was either

476
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: circumstantial or, in the case of the deer meat, in missible.

477
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: They knew they needed more, so they took the case

478
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: to the main state police and applied for search warrants

479
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: for the homes of Lenny and George. The State police

480
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: sent them officers to assist, and the local judge granted

481
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: them the warrants they requested, but that process took time.

482
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: Luja went missing the day after Thanksgiving, and I'm sure

483
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: there were people in government offices taking long weekends. The

484
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: wardens and state police continued to investigate. They drove the

485
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: various routes the suspects may have taken to see if

486
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: they could decipher where they had gone between picking up

487
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Lujer and Sully's garage, but they didn't find anything, and

488
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: they weren't able to execute the search warrants on the

489
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: suspects homes until the next Friday, a week after Lujer

490
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: went missing. Destroying evidence of a murder or kidnapping is

491
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: tough for even the smartest criminals, and investigators figured they'd

492
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: be able to pull trace amounts of blood from hunting

493
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: clothes or hares from hack saws, But when Marsha and

494
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: Hennessy pulled up to Lenny's home along with two State

495
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: police officers, they realized they should have tried to search

496
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: the home sooner. When they showed up, they were cars

497
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: all up and down the road. The guy was having

498
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: a rip roaring party. The place was packed with people

499
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: all throughout the house, and you know they're looking at

500
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: it like, is this guy serious.

501
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: He's the lead suspect and potentially a murder case, and

502
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 4: he's having this huge party, And you know, whether it

503
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: was intentional or not, in some ways, potentially was a

504
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: smart thing for him to have done, because it showed that,

505
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't worried, he didn't think, you know,

506
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: he was in trouble. But also if there was evidence,

507
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: you know, blood splatter on the floor, things like that,

508
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: he had forty fifty people tracking dirt all through the

509
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: house and covering it.

510
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: Up to make matters worse.

511
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: All the potential evidence the wardens had seen on their

512
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: previous visit was gone. The hunting clothes, the deer meat,

513
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: the knife, the gun, the gear, all of it nowhere.

514
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: To be seen.

515
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: They hadn't seen the buick in the driveway on their

516
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: previous visit, but it could have been somewhere else on

517
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: the property, or they could have found information in the

518
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: house that led them to it, but the car had

519
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: also been disappeared without a trace. To add insult to injury,

520
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: Lenny had taped a newspaper article on Luger's disappearance to

521
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: the door of the upstairs freezer.

522
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: He was mocking them, and he was being quite obstinate,

523
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 4: and basically when they were confronting him, they asked him

524
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: where all the hunting clothes were. He said he didn't

525
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: know what they were talking about. There were no hunting

526
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: clothes there. He had never had any, because he knew

527
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: that Ward and Marsh never came downstairs and never saw it,

528
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: so it was just his word against Warden Hennessy.

529
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: There was no smoking gun, either literal or figurative. But

530
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: no criminal is perfect, and Lenny was no different. They

531
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: noticed that the padlock on the door in the basement,

532
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: the one that Lenny had he'd never opened, had been

533
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: turned around.

534
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 4: So clearly suspect A was going in and out of

535
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: the room and he had carelessly switched the direction of

536
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: the lock.

537
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: They cut the lock off the door, hopeful that Lenny

538
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: had failed to clean up all traces of his crime.

539
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: They were right, but not as right as they had hoped.

540
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: The only thing they found in there is on a

541
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: bench that you could see markings in the dust where

542
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: looked like a gun had been laid there, and potentially

543
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: a thirty thirty because it wasn't too long, and that

544
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 4: was the gun that Lujiah Blanger had been hunting with,

545
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: And they found a broken piece of a V notch

546
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: site that they got it tested and it was consistent

547
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: with the type of sight that was used on A

548
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: thirty thirty at that time.

549
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: They noticed the light bulb had been changed recently, but

550
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: other than that, it didn't seem like Lenny used the

551
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: room very often. They didn't find any evidence that anyone

552
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: had been locked in the room or a body had.

553
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: Been kept there.

554
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: They came up empty at George's house as well, which

555
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: a different team had searched at the same time. Both

556
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: men stuck to their story, and without any additional evidence,

557
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: the wardens were forced to drive away empty handed.

558
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: Part six. The buick.

559
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: To any investigator, the primary crime scene is of utmost importance,

560
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: But in this case, that crime scene was mobile, and

561
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: the fact that the suspects tried to hide the buick

562
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: was reason enough to assume it held key evidence. That's

563
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: why I'm sure Warden Marsh was excited to hear that

564
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: just a few days after they had searched the suspects homes,

565
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: the Forest Green car was spotted on a residential Road

566
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: in the town of Northport, about twenty minutes from Lenny's home,

567
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: and the VIN number was registered to the same man.

568
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Ward and Marsh rushed out to the scene to inspect

569
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: the car himself. What he saw made his stomach drop.

570
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: The car's headliner, floor mats, and rear seat had all

571
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: been removed, The trunk had been cleaned with heavy duty cleaner,

572
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and Marsh could still smell the pungent sterile aroma. The trunk, matt,

573
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: spare tire, and carjack had also been removed from the

574
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: wheel well. But when Marsh looked up as he inspected

575
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: the trunk, he noticed something on the lid, a deer hair.

576
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't the evidence they were hoping for, but again

577
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: Lenny had claimed he never brought home a deer. That

578
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: hare was enough to impound the car, so the state

579
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: police forensic team could get a closer look.

580
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: When they did find the car and they impounded it,

581
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: one of the things that they also found was a

582
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: bullet hidden way down in the wheel well or where

583
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: the spare tire well excuse me would be, and it

584
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: had a beard hair attached to it. And Lujah Bolanger

585
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: at that time had a semi goo tea. I guess

586
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: you could call it.

587
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: It was more chin than let.

588
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: The bullet was actually a buckshot pellet of the same

589
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: kind that would have been loaded in the twelve gage

590
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: shells marsh saw on Lenny's table. How it came in

591
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: contact with a beard hair, and how that beard hair

592
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and pellet came to be in the trunk of Lenny's

593
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: car is perhaps the most disturbing piece of evidence the

594
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: wardens had uncovered thus far. Unfortunately, it was still inconclusive.

595
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Forensic DNA testing wasn't an option in nineteen seventy five,

596
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: and when they sent the beard hair to the FBI

597
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: lab in Washington, d C. Investigators weren't able to use

598
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: its color or dimensions to match it with Luger or

599
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: either of the suspects. It was close, but it still

600
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: wasn't quite enough to make an arrest.

601
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Part seven.

602
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: George Lenny gets a lot of the attention in this story,

603
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: and he still has one more act to play. But

604
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: George is also important. In fact, he's the reason we

605
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: know much of anything about what happened to Luger on

606
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: that road. He also may have been the one to

607
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. George was a Vietnam veteran who had

608
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: been wounded in battle, which is likely the reason he

609
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: walked with a cane. The pairs shared experience of war

610
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: apparently brought them together because they didn't have much else

611
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: in common besides the love of alcohol. While Lenny was

612
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: large and imposing, George was short and slender. Lenny was married,

613
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: but George lived alone, and while Lennie is never known

614
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: to have told anyone about what happened that day, George

615
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: just couldn't keep the story to himself. A few months

616
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: after Lujire's disappearance, a man came to the police with

617
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: what he said was important information. He had been partying

618
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: with George, and in a drunken stupor, George had told

619
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: him the entire story. According to this informant, Lenny and

620
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: George had seen Luger on the road with his deer.

621
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: Not having had any luck themselves, they decided to steal

622
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Lougers so they pretended to want to help, got the

623
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: deer in the trunk and invited him into the back seat.

624
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: But when Lenny told they were keeping the deer as

625
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: a shipping and handling fee, Lujer pushed back. He said

626
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: he needed the deer to feed his family and asked

627
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: to be let out of the car. That's when George

628
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: turned around and his seat lowered the shotgun at Luger

629
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: and pulled the trigger. We can assume that the pair

630
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: spent the next hours and days hiding the body and

631
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: cleaning the car, but the informant says he was too

632
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: afraid to.

633
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: Ask where they buried Loujer's remains.

634
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Linda has a similar, though slightly different theory about what happened.

635
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: I believe that when he got into the car, they

636
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: got the deer in the trunk, He got in the

637
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: back seat of the car, and they got to the

638
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: end of that road. They turned left instead of right

639
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: to bring him home, and I think that's where he

640
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: might have made a stink when he sat it, getting

641
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: anxious that they were one wrong way, and then he

642
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: realized they weren't taking him home. Ah, I don't know,

643
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: but that's where I think they shout him in the

644
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: back seat was there?

645
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Why George would admit to doing such a thing over

646
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: something as trivial as a deer has baffled investigators, not

647
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: to mention Ludra's family. The pair of men were obviously

648
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: intoxicated and not in their right minds. But there's a

649
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: giant gap between being drunk or high and murdering a

650
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: stranger over some venison. The details of Lugra's case were

651
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: well known at the time, so it's possible the informant

652
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: was fabricating a story for some ulterior motive. Maybe the

653
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: gun went off by accident, there was a fight in

654
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Speaker 1: the car, or a third party was involved. Whatever actually happened,

655
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Marti and his colleagues knew the informant's testimony would never

656
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Speaker 1: hold up in court. They needed more details from a

657
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: more reliable witness than one of George's drinking buddies. Ideally,

658
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: they wanted him to confess in a less alcohol soaked setting,

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: and a short time later they got their chance. George

660
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: had been in car for stealing in an effort to

661
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Speaker 1: fund his drug habit.

662
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: Law enforcement told George's.

663
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Speaker 1: Cellmate that they'd let him go early if he could

664
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Speaker 1: get George to tell him what happened, but the alleged

665
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: murderer stuck to his original story.

666
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: He didn't know anything.

667
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: About Lujire's disappearance, and that original informant died of a

668
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: drug overdose A short time later, with George refusing to speak,

669
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: investigators remained hopeful that Lenny would one day crack. They

670
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: sent undercover agents to the VFW where Lenny hung out,

671
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: and while these agents were successful in befriending him, they

672
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: never got him to talk.

673
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: About the case.

674
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Lenny was obviously smart. He hid or destroyed all the

675
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: evidence that could have sent him to jail, and maintained

676
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: his innocence even while dealing with severe drug and alcohol addictions.

677
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: But you know that old saying about being too smart

678
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: for your own good, Lenny may have been too smart

679
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: for his own good. In July of nineteen seventy six,

680
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: about seven months after Luja went missing, Warden Marsh got

681
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: a call Lenny had blown up his own house in

682
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: what was probably an attempt at insurance fraud and, according

683
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: to Darren, possibly an attempt to kill his wife. Lenny

684
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: had filled a bunch of washtubs with gasoline in his

685
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: house and lit a candlewick as a fuse. He'd purchased

686
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: a plane ticket to Orlando, and his plan was to

687
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: be out of the state when his house went up

688
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: in flames, so the insurance company couldn't accuse him of

689
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: starting the blaze. Himself, but there was a flaw in

690
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: his plan.

691
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: It is believed that his refrigerator, with all the fumes

692
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: in the air, triggered the explosion prematurely before.

693
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: He got out of the house.

694
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: He did have an air ticket that day to take

695
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: him to Orlando, Florida, so he was trying to make

696
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 4: it look like he wasn't at home at the time

697
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 4: of the explosion. But the explosion went off when he

698
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: was in the house. It blasted him clear through the

699
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: picture window and outside into the yard.

700
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Lenny suffered severe burns and was taken to a military

701
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: terry hospital in San Antonio. Doctors didn't expect him to

702
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: last long, so the main state police rushed down to Texas.

703
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: They wanted to see if Lenny would confess on his

704
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: deathbed and maybe tell them what he'd done with Luja,

705
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: but they were too late. Lenny died before they could

706
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: get there, taking what he knew about the young Hunter's

707
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: disappearance to his grave. George, however, is still alive. Tracy,

708
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: Lujia and Linda's youngest daughter, told me he's not in

709
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: good health, but he's remained in the area since nineteen

710
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: seventy five.

711
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 5: He went on he had children and he continued with

712
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: his life.

713
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Tracy and Linda believe there are people who might know

714
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: where Lujira's body was buried, but they're afraid to come forward.

715
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: Because there's definitely people all did that.

716
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: No, but as scared of the family too, their sons,

717
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: even though kids a cry of interest. People are scared

718
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: of him, as scared of them.

719
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: Intimidation, I suppose, yeah.

720
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean they're very threatening. They would come on to

721
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: our page and be very nasty, you know, threatening. So

722
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: we had to block a few of them. And I

723
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: can't blame him for sticking out for the dad. But

724
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: they don't know.

725
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: Part eight. The search continues.

726
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: It's tempting to think of this case as solved, or

727
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: that justice, at least in the case of suspect A

728
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: was somehow served, But the family is far from feeling closure.

729
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: They never got the chance to face in court the

730
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: person who killed their husband and father, and they've never

731
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: been able to put him to rest in the way

732
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: he deserves.

733
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: Above all, we just want to lay him to rest

734
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: our way, not throw him like a bag of trash somewhere.

735
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: We want to lay him to rest with what love

736
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: and dignity you know because that's what he deserved. He

737
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 2: didn't deserve what he got. Does.

738
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Speaker 1: You might expect Linda and her children to want an

739
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: explanation for why their husband and father was murdered, but

740
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Linda and Tracy say answering that question isn't important to

741
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: them at this point. They don't buy the excuse that

742
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: the suspects were drunk or high or suffering from PTSD,

743
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: and given suspect A's attempt to kill his wife, they

744
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: don't believe it was an accident.

745
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: You're not going to get a why that you go, oh,

746
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 5: that makes sense, because you'd have to be psychotic to

747
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 5: agree with that. So a why is never going to

748
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: be good. It's never going to be okay, it's never

749
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: going to be right. That's never going to ring closure

750
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: or feel like an answer.

751
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: They also aren't motivated by a desire to see suspect

752
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: be behind bars.

753
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 5: The only remaining suspect is not well and probably not

754
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 5: long for this world, and so as far as like

755
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 5: getting justice, that's not going to happen.

756
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: All they really want is to find Luja's remains, not

757
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: only for themselves, but for the grandchildren and great grandchildren

758
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: who never got the chance to know him.

759
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: The family goes on, and I don't want it to

760
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 5: always be like, oh, this story that's in the FAMI

761
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 5: and never been solved. They'd never been a saying. So

762
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 5: they still hear about, you know, what went on, and

763
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: they know that that's their grandfather, and the little ones

764
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 5: eventually will know that that's their great grandfather. And so

765
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's just an important to have

766
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 5: an end.

767
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: The mission to find Luga's remains has been top of

768
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: mind for every investigator assigned to this case. That's just

769
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: as true today as it was back in the seventies.

770
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: In the years that followed, they did anything and everything.

771
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: The next spring, they had a huge search at the

772
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 4: scale that the Warden Service had never done before. They

773
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 4: literally brought in all wardens. My father in law recalls

774
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 4: being a part of this too, and it wasn't in

775
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: his district. They brought him volunteers. They filled up a

776
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: couple of hotels, you know. They had aircraft flying around

777
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: looking for crow circles things like that that would suggest

778
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: that animals are gravitating towards remains in certain areas. They

779
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: drained one farmer's pond because there was a tip that

780
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: the body was in there. And this is an area

781
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: down eastern Main where there's a lot of quarries, So

782
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: they send divers into a whole bunch of quarries and

783
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 4: different bodies of water. Suspect A himself lived don a pond.

784
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: They dragged the pond. They you know, sent divers in

785
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: the pond. They looked everywhere, and unfortunately all that came

786
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: up empty handed.

787
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Warden's Martia and Hennessy won't be able to see it,

788
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: but bringing this case to a close would mean more

789
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: to them than most other investigators.

790
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: One thing that really struck me, you know, with Jarn

791
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: and with a lot of these Wardens in particular, is

792
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: that they all seem to have experiences and stories that

793
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: sort of haunts them and they can't put away with.

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: This was the case that for jar And I could

795
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: tell he really had some misgimmings about and really just

796
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: had that personal drive. I know he stayed in contact

797
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: with a family for years after the case was over

798
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 4: because he just he really personally just wanted to help

799
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: bring closure for them. So he would really motivated.

800
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: Ward and Marsh would no doubt be pleased to learn

801
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: that Lujia's case might be closer than ever to being solved.

802
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Linda worked with a group called the Main Cold Case

803
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Alliance to lobby the state legislature to provide funding to

804
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: solve cold cases. Many states have a dedicated cold case division,

805
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: but until twenty fifteen, Maine didn't.

806
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 2: It was a group of us. We were at State

807
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: House and we were pushing it. It was a law we

808
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: just wanted. We wanted a cold case unit. It was

809
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: really great to watch all those lights light up green.

810
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Nobody was against it, you know, all the Senate, it

811
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: all lit up in our favor, and it was really

812
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: a great feeling to get it approved.

813
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: Linda is hoping that fifty years after her husband's disappearance

814
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: and ten years after she helped fund a cold case unit,

815
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: someone will have the courage to come forward and give

816
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: the Belanger family the closure they've been searching for.

817
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: Fifty years is a long time. It's been a never

818
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: ending nightmare. Some days are okay, some days aren't. But

819
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: to find his remains, no matter what it is, and

820
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: we want to land the rest the right way.

821
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: There is still hope for that to happen. The state

822
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: police have continued to search as additional tips have come

823
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: in In fact, according to a June email from Detective

824
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Josh Haynes, ground and water searches have been conducted in

825
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: recent weeks and additional searches have been planned. They're especially

826
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: interested in the back seat from the buick. There's a

827
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: reason the suspects got rid of it, but it may

828
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: still be around somewhere, sitting in an old barn or

829
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: garage collecting dust. Modern forensic techniques can do things detectives

830
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies could only dream of, and that

831
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: seat may hold the clues to finally solving this case.

832
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: If you know or know someone who might know anything

833
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: about a seat from a nineteen sixty five Uwick Special,

834
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Speaker 1: get in touch with the main State Police at two

835
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Speaker 1: oh seven six' two four seven zero seven six and

836
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Speaker 1: ask for The Major Crimes Unit Unsolved. Division Detective haynes

837
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: would ask the same of anyone who might know anything

838
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: About lujer's, disappearance no matter how. Minor, again that number

839
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: is two oh seven six two four seven zero seven to.

840
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Speaker 2: SIX i can't explain the. Feeling it's something that we've

841
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: always wanted and never, got and something that we've always

842
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: wanted to do for, him and he got dealt a

843
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: raw deal and uh just want to bring him.

844
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Speaker 3: Home thanks for listening to this episode Of Blood. Trails

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Speaker 3: if you'd like.

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Speaker 3: The case file for this.

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Speaker 1: EPISODE a big thanks To Darren, Wooster, linda And tracy

850
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Speaker 1: for their time and willingness to speak with. ME i

851
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: also Appreciate Detective Josh haynes for verifying the details Of luser's.

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Speaker 1: Disappearance if you have a tip about this case or

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