1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: What stolen back my sling from Sophie. I'm Robert Evans 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: hosted Behind the Bastards, and I have stolen back the 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: bagel flinging sling that Sophie stole from me uh and 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: will very soon use it in a way that is 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: damaging to both property and people. Um. Also, this is 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: a podcast where occasionally we talk about bad people, but 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: more often than not these days, I just do increasingly 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: reckless things because no one has stopped me. I have 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: been canceled yet. Oh you you You are in Cansylvania, 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: as we determined last episode, and tell us who your 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: roommates are currently. Well, I'm living with Louis c K, 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: which is, let me tell you, pretty uncomfortable. Yeah, Myles 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: didn't love him as a roommate. He wasn't Canceledvania. No, 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: not great, not great. Also bad cleaning, I'll give it, 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll get to the cooks a pretty 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: decent omelet, not a bad omelet cookery. You know everyone's 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: got positive negative never cleans the toilet. I would expect that, 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: and Louis c K can damage a toilet. Let me 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: tell you, I believe it. You know who else you 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: could damage a toilet. Jerry Fowell and Ronald Reagan. Those 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: jellybeans did not come out smooth. I don't know why 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about poop, because you're an odd duck, and 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: I followed you to the poop, to the poop. That's 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the true meaning of friendship. That's how you know it's real. 25 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: That's how you know it's real. Speaking of real, this 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: is a bad leading. Ronald Reagan today is such an 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: icon among the religious right that it's easy to forget. 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: He wasn't always viewed this way. You have to remember 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: that back before his eight years in office, before his 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: monstrous and unforgivable failure to respond to the AIDS epidemic, 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Reagan had a reputation for being a somewhat liberutine playboy 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: movie star. He had tons of gay friends. He was 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: plugged into the Hollywood set. Reagan had long been concerned pative, 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: but he was not seen as a member of the 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: religious right. Of course, some of that had to do 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: with the fact that the religious right did not really 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: exist when Reagan was in politics. Jimmy Carter, on the 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: other hand, was and is a deeply devout evangelical Christian 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: even today at age roughly one hundred and seventy. He 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: spends most of his free time building houses for the poor. 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: The fact that the Moral Majority and the bulk of 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: American Evangelical Christians broke for Reagan in the nineteen eighty 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: election was a strange novel development on this subject. Doug 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: Banwort writes, although Reagan was not the perfect conservative, he 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: was better than Carter, who had not accomplished significant legislation 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: or executive orders to appease the evangelical community. Bruce Bursumo 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: wrote that the Moral Majority was pinning its hopes on 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan and the presidential election. The Moral Majority, Christian Voice, 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: and other Christian political organizations hoped that they could have 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: a real evangelical social conservative on which they could depend 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: in the White House. Carter was not sufficient. So Carter's 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: crying right now. Yeah, he's like, I was not so 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: for Shure. Yeah, I mean, Jimmy Carter made the mistake 54 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: of actually like like like like like reading about the 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: stuff Jesus said, uh, and and we're interpreting it in 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: a positive wye and using it as like, oh, I 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: should probably take care of poor people in the disenfranchise 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: exactly whereas Jerry Follwell read it and said, well, clearly 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: black people are supposed to go to school with white kids. 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: Hen Reagan was like, oh, I think mentally ill people 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: have been having it too easy. Yeah. Yes, Ronald Reagan 62 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: the only Republican to push for massive gun control. Uh, 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't get a distill does not get attacked for it 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: because the purpose of it was disarmed black people. That's 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: the story we'll tell at some point. Yeah, that's why 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: California has a bands on open carrying. Actually, cool stuff, 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: cool story. Ronald Reagan now one of the everybody's hero 68 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: of course. Of course, one of the chief reasons Jerry 69 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: Fallwall and the devout throngs he spoke for disliked Carter 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: was his support for feminism. Back in the nineteen sixties 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: and early seventies, when the feminist movement had first launched, 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: it had seen tepid support from conservative Christian circles. This 73 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: started to change in the mid nineteen seventies, largely as 74 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: a result of the feminist movement's decision to treat gay 75 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: people like human beings and not diseased. Pariah's Yeah, real 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: tactical misstep there. In November nineteen seventy seven, the National 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: Women's Conference was held in Houston, Texas. Feminist activists declared 78 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 1: an alliance with several gay rights groups and a meeting 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: earlier in the year, feminist activists had noted that lesbians 80 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: made up a significant portion of the movement. The lesbians 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: sucking run ship. You want somebody to make a fucking 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: Excel spreadsheet and show up on time, you get a lesbian. Yep, 83 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm just giving advice out here. Over people were trying 84 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: to hire, seconding that advice. Yeah. Also, it's pretty easy 85 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to pirate Microsoft Excel. I don't have anything else to add. 86 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: It's just in Google Docs. They can use their sheets too. Yeah, 87 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: but that's not stealing something. No, it's not. You really 88 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: want to be transgressive you have a lesbian woman's steel 89 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: Microsoft Excel and then really fighting the power show it 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: to Mr Paperclip. Okay, so yeah. The SOA, the National 91 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: Women's Conference acknowledged that the oppression faced by gay people 92 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: was very much rooted and many of the same things 93 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: that caused the oppression of women in American society. Intersectionalism, 94 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: you could call it. Morally, this was the right decision, 95 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: but it led to a tremendous backlash against feminism by 96 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: America's most intolerant Christians. Two years before the establishment of 97 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: the Moral Majority, Jerry Fallwell said this about the gay 98 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: rights movement. Though they claim to be another poorly treated minority, 99 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: homosexuals are involved in open immorality as they practice perversion. 100 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: They're not a minority any more than murderers, rapists, or 101 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: they're centers are a minority since they cannot reproduce. They prostallite, prostallite, prostite. 102 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: He's saying that they have to recruit people. And this 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: is like so Jerry, like there's a conspiracy now, Like 104 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: if you watch like Alex Jones show and they're reporting 105 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: like the Drag Queen Story Hour, there's this like belief 106 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: among them that it's like this this attempt by the 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: LGBT community to recruit young Jerry Fallwell innvinced that conspiracy theory. 108 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: He's like the first really prominent voice saying that, like, well, 109 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: because obviously being gay is in something natural. It's not 110 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: something that like just a certain portion of the population 111 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: is always going to be because that's just the way 112 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: that human beings are, as well as every other species 113 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: that reproduces sexually are um, Like he decides the only 114 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: way that they can make new gay people is to 115 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: convert children. Um and like that's obviously now, Like you 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: could run into it at shipload today. It's like a 117 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: huge conspiracy theory and we have Jerry Falbalt to thank 118 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: for that. So that that's cool. I mean, I don't 119 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: know where that comes from. It's like, do you think 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: straights are out there teaching straight people how to straight? Yeah? 121 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: It does kind of insinuate that, like being straight isn't 122 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: natural either, and you just have to like capture kids 123 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: with whatever. Right, the kids just come out completely without 124 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: any identities, and then like whoever catches them first, Yeah, 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: that's the sexuality they're going to get. Yeah, they're like 126 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: they're like birds imprinting on the first thing they see 127 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: out of the egg. So lucky. The first thing I 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: saw when I came out was a penis and a vagina. 129 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: That's how I became by right away. It was a 130 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: weird hospital you were born in. I mean it was 131 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: an all nude hospital, my request hospital. I requested that 132 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: in the womb. I would love it if we just 133 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: did a shot for shot remake of e Er, but 134 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: everyone's naked and they never ever ever address it, not 135 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: for one second. I would love it, not just because 136 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: I want to see like clone. Well, so I was 137 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Annoya Wiley fan. Oh yeah he was hot, but I 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: mean I kind of really wanted them to kiss all ways, 139 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: but they never would. Sorry, that was a personal journey. 140 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: It's I. I have some good news for you. There's 141 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: about four hundred thousand pages of fan fiction where they do, 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: in fact consummate that relationship. So I know what I'm 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: doing after this podcast. I am excited for what deep 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: fakes are going to do for fan fiction. Uh, romances 145 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: like that's it's really going to be groundbreaking. I'm horny already. Yeah, 146 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: so is Reddit. Oh yeah, I should probably read the 147 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: podcast that we're doing. I was thinking about George Clooney 148 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: and Noah Wiley me too, Yeah, we all were so. 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter was far from an outspoken gay rights advocate 150 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: during his time in office, although he has since been 151 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: very outspoken about that, but he did lend his vocal 152 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: support to the feminist movement, including the nineteen seventy seven 153 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: National Women's Conference, to Fallwell and his fellow evangelicals. This 154 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: made Jimmy Carter a traitor to God's cause. They further 155 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: hated Carter for his liberal policies and the value of 156 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: social programs. Compounding this was the fact that the mid 157 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: to late nineteen seventies was a time of deep economic 158 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: stagnation and a high unemployment. And this recession had actually 159 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: started at the tail end of Nixon's time and power, 160 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: and it reached its deepest severity during Gerald Ford's presidency 161 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: UH and continued through Carter's term in office. The actual 162 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: causes of this stagflation, which is a term we all 163 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: learned in high school, are complex and multifaceted, rooted in 164 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: a combination of enormous government spending on the Vietnam War, 165 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: surging oil prices, and a series of union strikes. Things 166 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: actually improved economically during Carter's term, but not quickly enough 167 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: for Fallwell and his fellows on the religious right. Rather 168 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: than see the recession is what it was, a complex 169 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: disaster brought on by many different decisions, particularly those made 170 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: by Richard Nixon, they decided the politic move would be 171 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: to blame the economy on social programs. This tight end 172 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: with a growing belief among the religious right that the 173 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: federal government was incapable of handling social programs. They wanted churches, 174 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: guided by powerful pastors like Jerry Fallwell to see to 175 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: the poor and disenfranchised. Fall will express this wish, let 176 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: us train see to the poor. Is such a hilariously 177 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: privileged like TURNI phrase. It's like someone say to the poor, yeah, please, 178 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: And this is this idea that like if the government's 179 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: taking care of them, then they're basically slaves to the government, 180 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to it's like why would we care about them? 181 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: That's gross government? Come on, please get in here, yes, 182 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: please take care of the pause, shall you? Yeah? Yeah? 183 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: And it's like like it is it is kind of 184 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: rooted this idea that he had that like he should 185 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: he and other pastors should own the poor, should like 186 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: control them, like because they clearly believe that the government. 187 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: Like that's one of the lines you're here on the right, 188 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: is that like, well, if you have all these social programs, 189 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: then basically, like all these people are indebted to the 190 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: government and they're they're just going to vote for more 191 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: social programs. But it's like if you're saying that you 192 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: want churches to take care of it, and you're just 193 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: saying you want those churches to people to be indebted 194 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: to the church, of course. Yeah, it's cool, cool way 195 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: for things to have work. Yeah. Jerry Fallwell was a 196 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: committed anti communist, and he also saw the social safety 197 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: net the Democrat at it increasingly invested in since the 198 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: New Deal that's fundamentally dangerous. In nineteen six he preached 199 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: that if God lifts his hand from America, it's all over. 200 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: And if America loses her freedom, the free world is gone. 201 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: America should bless the world with expensive healthcare and not 202 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: being able to feed your family. Also, it's always like 203 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 1: motherfucker's being like, oh, I know what everybody should be 204 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: doing that. You're like, no one literally asked you ever, 205 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: But no, this is with the moral This is the 206 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: moral genda I have for the poors who I now own, 207 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: which is so just so weird. And also there's a 208 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: fundamental belief that poor people are somehow different from rich people. 209 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: You know, that they're like of a lower stock and 210 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: a different cast they'd be rich. Yeah, that's the whole thing. 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: It's like it comes it's such a deep seated thing 212 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: that like it's beautiful poor masses. It's always like Oh yeah, 213 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: they're fucking dumb. They're dumb as hell. Otherwise they'd be us. Yeah, 214 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: otherwise they would have started did a mega church and 215 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: made money off of themselves. Yeah. It's uh, it's like 216 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: it's neo feudalism, you know, totally. That's what Jerry Fallwell 217 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: wants to be, is like a little king with a 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: castle and some peasants who have to do what he says. Now, 219 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: and for Jerry Fallwell, America losing its freedom was synonymous 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: with America's spending money on stuff like food stamps. In 221 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the late nineteen seventies, he made increasing claims that quote, 222 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: federal welfare checks went to bums who wouldn't work in 223 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: a pie shop eating the holes out of donuts. Jerry foul. 224 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: I love that he thinks that's a job. And also 225 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: I want that job. I do want that job. I 226 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: do want that job. To Jerry Fallwell. The roots of 227 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: the economic crisis weren't a global dependence on oil, opex, 228 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: domination of the oil market, or the outrageous spending by 229 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: several presidential administrations on a failed war. The cause was 230 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: welfare spending from Fallwell, because of the heavy taxation demanded 231 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: for the support of a sick and unbalanced welfare program. 232 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: The very heart is being cut out of the business community. 233 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: The government seems to be committed to ta seeing the 234 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: successful businessman right out of business. Yeah, it's a real 235 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: problem in the seventies businessmen being taxed out of business. 236 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: And so for all these reasons, in nineteen eighty, the 237 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: moral Majority turned its back on the most committed evangelical 238 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: Christian to ever hold executive office and extend turned towards 239 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: movie star Ronald Reagan. Wild Yeah, and Reagan didn't really 240 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: know how to deal with the moral Majority, like he 241 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: was didn't really talk about his Christian worldview in his 242 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: first campaign. He didn't really talk about like how it 243 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: had impacted his beliefs or anything like that. Like he 244 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: wasn't that guy. Like nowadays, you can't imagine a Republican 245 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: winning by not like even if it's Trump, like misquoting 246 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: Bible versus they've got to like do that ship. Reagan 247 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: really didn't in his first campaign, And it was actually 248 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: revealed during the election that he donated less than one 249 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: percent of his income to religious causes, which is way 250 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: short of like the ten percent tithing that you're supposed 251 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: to do. But for the first and only time, Christian 252 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: conservatives decided it was okay to vote for a man 253 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: who wasn't religious in a against a man who profoundly was, uh, 254 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: in order to get tax benefits because money is the 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: real God. Yeah, that that really is like the that's 256 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: my conspiracy theory about Jerry Fallwell. So, once Reagan got elected, 257 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: evangelicals of the moral majority came to believe that they 258 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: had a president who would advance their agenda of like 259 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: getting rid of abortion and bringing back school prayer and 260 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: getting governments to let them not have black kids at 261 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: their schools. Um. And a lot of people who were 262 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: like rational observers of all of this thought that they 263 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: were kind of fooling themselves, um, because there was really 264 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: no chance that Reagan was going to do any of that. 265 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Ship Like, he was a conservative, but Ronald Reagan wasn't 266 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: gonna wait into like pulling away Rov Wade or reinstituting 267 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: like school prayer or anything like that. And so like 268 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: while they were in office, Reagan's administration would kind of 269 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: like talk nicely to the moral majority, but he actually 270 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: didn't do most of the stuff that they wanted. Um. 271 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: The Reagan administration proved to be a huge disappointment for 272 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Fallwell. Throughout his first year in office, Ronnie refused 273 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: to go after any of the social issues the new 274 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: Christian Right had voted him into office to deal with. 275 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: Abortion remained legal, mandatory, school prayer remained illegal. Feminism continued 276 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: at slow march forward. The only social arena in which 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Reagan's corporatist chunk of the Republican Party remained in line 278 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: with the religious right was the oppression of gay people. 279 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: So at least there's that for Jerry Nice to find 280 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: some common ground. Common ground. The common ground is stomping 281 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: on the head of Yeah Yeah. Conservatives in San Francisco 282 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: attempted to criminalize homosexuality during Reagan's term, and the Moral 283 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Majority launched a boycott of sponsors for TV shows that 284 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: included anything they considered an abomination in the eyes of God. 285 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: As the AIDS crisis kicked off and the death tolls 286 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: started arise from the hundreds to the thousands to the 287 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: tens of thousands, Jerry Folwell was there to blame the 288 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: catastrophe on gay people. I'm going to quote next from 289 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: a National Institute of Health publication. The social impact of 290 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: AIDS on the United States. The Reverend Jerry Fallwell, an 291 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: independent Baptist minister, in a sermon titled how Many Roads 292 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: to Heaven, delivered on his nationally televised Old Time Gospel Hour, 293 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: stated that God was bringing an end to the sexual 294 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: revolution through the AIDS epidemic. He also said, they gay 295 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: men are scared to walk near one of their own 296 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: kind right now, and what we preachers have been enabled 297 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: to do with our preaching. A God who hates sin 298 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: has stopped dead in its tracks by saying do it 299 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: and die? Do it and die follows political organization or 300 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: all majority opposed governmentally funded research to find a cure 301 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: for AIDS because the disease was a gay problem. He 302 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: promoted the idea that AIDS was not only God's judgment 303 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: on gay men, but also that divine judgment extended to 304 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: all of society. AIDS is a lethal judgment of God 305 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: on America for endorsing this vulgar, perverted, and reprobate lifestyle. 306 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: Strong condemnations of gay sexuality is the cause of AIDS 307 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: and God's vengeance also appeared in some religious journals. One 308 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: of them affirmed God warned mankind about AIDS in numbers 309 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: thirty two twenty three when he said be sure your 310 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: sin will find you out. Maybe the AIDS plague will 311 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: educate the world that the Bible is still the bedrock 312 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: of civilization and it should be learned, loved, and lived 313 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: in our daily lives. Wow. I really feel like getting 314 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: people to get into Christianity by saying that God could 315 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: occasionally punish you with AIDS is really not the strongest 316 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: pitch I've heard for Christianity. I really feel like that's 317 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: not If you throw that bagel, you're out of the show. 318 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm just prepure fired. Sophie's face is very just prepping it. 319 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: I have to deal with my rage at reading that 320 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: paragraph somehow, and the way I'm doing it is by 321 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: putting my sling back together and getting it loaded. All right, 322 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: you load it up, but you don't throw a yet. 323 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: Not yet. If you hit the dog, she's not in here. Okay, Yes, 324 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: so this is the best time to throw a bagel. Really, See, 325 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: I planned this out. I didn't. The exact impact of 326 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: fallwell in the moral majority on the death toll of 327 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: the AIDS crisis is impossible to calculate. As with the 328 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies recession. This was a disaster with many factors 329 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: behind it. We dealt with some of that in our 330 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: two part are on the Reagans and the AIDS epidemic. 331 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: The total death told AIDS would measure close to half 332 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: a million by the year two thousand. Much of the 333 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: government and action on AIDS during the crucial early years 334 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: of the outbreak can be blamed on the religious rights 335 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: of vicious rejection of any money being spent to help 336 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: people sick with what was then called the gay plague. 337 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: It's nuts to me to be like, oh, um, we're 338 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: going to meddle in your business and tell you that 339 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: you can be a but also, um, now that you 340 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: need help for what we've called a gay disease, we're 341 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: gonna just completely step away. How do you How do 342 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: you have in both ways where you're like meddling and 343 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: telling people what to do, but then you're also like no, 344 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: but then not this part. It's the same way it 345 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: always works with these people where the only actual moral 346 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: consistency is hate. Yeah, it's true. There's no actual philosophy 347 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: that can stand up to anything. Yeah, if you think 348 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: about the core of it being hate, then it all 349 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: is consistent. Yeah, because there they're justification will change and 350 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: like they'll say like yeah, we shouldn't spend any money. Uh, 351 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: like we we can't you know, spend any money to 352 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 1: like help out gay people. But also like, uh, we 353 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: can't consider homosexuality in any way as like a government 354 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: and like all these different like contradictory things, but the 355 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: core of it is just they want gay people to die. 356 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: So if you think about it like that, then yeah, 357 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: they're like completely consistent, very consistent kind of what everyone 358 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: who's not white and wealthy to die. Um, but they 359 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: hide the wealthy part from the people that they need 360 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: to vote. I mean, that's drump right now. So saying 361 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of where the core of that is 362 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: a political movement came from, because like before this, like 363 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: there were conservatives, but they were like like like Nixon, 364 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: the shitty stuff he did was kind of like there 365 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: was a lot of shitty stuff he did. But you 366 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: could also have a guy like Nixon who would do 367 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: like rational things like well, but of course we need 368 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: to protect the environment and like okay, I'll open trade 369 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: with China even though like there are are big nemesis 370 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: Like that seems quaint now, also bomb camboat you into 371 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: the Stone Age, but like he's not gonna like he's 372 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: he's It was just different, different kind of shitty. Yeah, 373 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: we've really evolved. We really have evolved thanks to Jerry Fallwell. Now, 374 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: there was an appeal during this time when the Christian 375 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: Broadcasting Network where they asked their followers to write the 376 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: Justice Department in opposition to any relaxation of the rule 377 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: against immigration of HIV infected persons, and that don't generated 378 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: forty letters. And I can't think of anything more christ 379 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: like than not wanting sick immigrants to be helped. Yeah, 380 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: as as Jesus said, fuck you got mine. Famous. So 381 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: abortion remained a key issue for the moral majority throughout 382 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. They did not see much support from 383 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: the regular administration on this. Folwell's tactic was to seek 384 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade, since the 385 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Supreme Court had already declared that this undue restriction of 386 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: abortion was a violation of constitutionals. His first step towards 387 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: achieving this was the Human Life Bill, which would have 388 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: written into American law that life begins at conception and 389 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: that a fetus is a living person. But the Human 390 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Life Bill never passed. Follows embraced this tactic set the 391 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: tone of the abortion debate, though in a way that 392 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: rings through to this day. The Reagan administration was never 393 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: quite willing to take real action, though, because that would 394 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: have cost them the political capital that they preferred to 395 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: spend on de regulation and de institutionalization. But later on 396 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: Reagan at all would throw a few bones to the 397 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: moral majority. In nineteen eighty two, one of his allies 398 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: in the Senate introduced a constitutional amendment that would have 399 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: made it legal to have official school prayers as long 400 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: as individual students or teachers couldn't be forced to say 401 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: that prayer. The amendment never came particularly close to passing, 402 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: and Reagan himself failed to go to bat for it 403 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: in any significant way. Though early in nineteen eighty two, 404 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: Reagan's Justice and Treasury departments did reverse the I R. 405 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: S revocation of tax exempt status for Bob Jones University, 406 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: but this sparked a massive backlash at the administration for 407 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: basically supporting segregation with taxpayer dollars. Yeah, yeah, Baba Jones 408 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: keeps insisting, like, no, we're really committed to segregation. Yeah, 409 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: it's our religious beliefs. It's not based on racism. It's 410 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: based on what we think God wants, which we know 411 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: about beer than anyone, which is racism, but not our 412 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: racism God God. So it's fine, It's totally not us. 413 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: So uh. Reagan back pedaled and announced that he was 414 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: now seeking a congressional ban on tax exemptions for racially 415 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: discriminatory schools. This happened, and so while the Moral Majority 416 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: wound up supporting Reagan's reelection campaign, the Christian right came 417 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: out the other side of the Reagan years deeply disappointed 418 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: in conservative politics. We only got some of what we wanted. 419 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: We didn't get everything. Jerry Fallwell, however, was not the 420 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: kind of guy to put all of his eggs in 421 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: one basket. Throughout the early years of the Moral Majority, 422 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: and over the course of Reagan's two terms, Jerry fought 423 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: an epic battle for the soul of the First Amendment 424 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: with a man who might rightly be viewed as his 425 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: greatest nemesis, Larry Flint. Larry Flint Baby, finally a hero. 426 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Finally a hero arrives. And we're going to talk about 427 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: that hero. But you know what else is a hero? 428 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Sophia the corporations who sponsored this podcast. It's Coke Industries. 429 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: Coke Industries, you mean Coke Hero when dis tries Hero 430 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: Industries by Coke products. No, no, no, Sophie is so 431 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: mad at you. Sophie's very mad at me. Sorry, I 432 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm distracted thinking about when I'm going to utilize the 433 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: sling next. The mold on that vegel is truly discussed. 434 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Isn't so much mold on this vegel? He keeps putting 435 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: it next to the food I actually put in my mouth, 436 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are you doing that? I can't 437 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: explain my actions, I just do them. 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That's fine, great, This is a 468 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: tense standoff. I can't wait to see how it resolves 469 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: every podcast. Nothing goes better with an audio medium than 470 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: a standoff based mainly on eye contact, also saying I 471 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: would pick her in a fight. Yeah. Also, we're wearing 472 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: pretty much the exact same outfit. Kind of we are 473 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: wearing the exact same outfit. Is gonna be like me 474 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: fighting my own shadow So if you can that be 475 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: the ad plug for the or the video plug for 476 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: the episode, you guys fighting, I mean sure, shadow box. So, uh, 477 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about Larry Flint. We finally have a hero. 478 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Are you excited for this? So excited? Like you big 479 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: Fani Larry Flint? I mean, who doesn't love Larry Flint. 480 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: Larry Flint. That movie was so fun. Yeah, one of 481 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: the best smut peddlers there who was ever peddled smut? 482 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: And I say that top three with love in case 483 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: you weren't aware. Larry Flint is one of the most 484 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: infamous UH smut peddlers of all time. He's the founder 485 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: of Hustler magazine, a trailblazer in the field of pornography, 486 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: and as a child, he claims to have lost his 487 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: virginity to a literal chicken. Did you know that chicken? Yeah, 488 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: he grew up on a farm and he said, like 489 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: farm kids would suck animals and that's how we lost it, 490 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: he claimed for years, that's how he lost its virginity 491 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: to a chicken. Interesting. I mean I figured farm animals, sure, 492 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: but chicken seems very he really specific and consistent chick. 493 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: I mean they have to be able to push an 494 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: egg out, so I imagine there would be more room 495 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: in there for your teenage farm boy Dick. I hate 496 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: this continue, I just I just everyone should know that 497 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: the hero of today's episode is a chicken fucker and 498 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: no one's even going to care by the end of 499 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, because he's on the right side of history. Yeah. Now, 500 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: Larry Flint as a chicken fucking porn salesman is perhaps 501 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: an unlikely pick for the man who literally saved free 502 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: speech as we know it, but he is, in fact 503 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: the man who literally saved free speech as we know it. 504 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: His story is extremely well documented and you can find 505 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: a number of different write ups of what happened for 506 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: our purposes, and I'm going to quote the man, the myth, 507 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: the legend, the chicken rapist himself Larry Flint. This is 508 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: for an article he wrote the l A Times, Tucking 509 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: about the duel between him and Fallwell and how it 510 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: first began. I was publishing Hustler magazine, which most people 511 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: know has been pushing the envelope of taste from the 512 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: very beginning, and Folwell was blasting me. Every chance he 513 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: had he would talk about how I was a slime 514 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: deally responsible for the decay of all morals. He called 515 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: me every terrible name he could think of. Names is bad, 516 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, as any language used in my magazine. 517 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: After several years of listening to him bad me and 518 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: read his insults, I decided it was time to start 519 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: poking some fun at him. So he ran a parody 520 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: ad and Hustler, a take off on the then current 521 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Campari ads, in which people were interviewed describing their first time. 522 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: In the ads, it ultimately became clear that the interviewees 523 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: were describing their first time sipping campari. But not in 524 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: our parody, we had fall Well describing his first time 525 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: as having been with his mother, drunk off our god 526 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: fearing asses in an outhouse. Pastor Fallwell did not take 527 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: this joke. Well, Oh, it's so crazy. He seems like 528 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: he would have such a good I think he'd be 529 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: able to laugh at himself with all the pranks he's 530 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: pulled on other people, like that hilarious burning down the street. 531 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: He did not find this funny, and he sued Larry 532 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: and his magazine for libel in Virginia. The lawsuits started 533 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, not long after the Moral Majority found 534 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: themselves frustrated by Reagan waffling on tax exemptions in school prayer. 535 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: It's possible Jerry's hunger for a win as part of 536 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: what drove him in this endeavor. For a while the 537 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: case went well for him. Flint lost in the Jerry 538 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: trial and again in federal appeals court. Now, if Flint 539 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: had lost, he'd have had to pay Jerry two thousand 540 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: dollars for, in Larry's words, hurting his feelings. Um. He 541 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: wasn't willing to do this, and so he appealed to 542 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: the US Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, where he lost again. 543 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: So Larry appealed once but more uh, and that was 544 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: a decision with significant cost to him. He spent about 545 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: three million dollars in total on the lawsuits. But by 546 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: escalating at this high he also kind of risked the 547 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: First Amendment for everybody, um, which was a certainly a 548 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: complicated decision to weigh. Um because since it had been 549 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: escalated to the Supreme Court and like way out of 550 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: like Virginia politics. Um, that meant that, like, now, what 551 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: was at stake wasn't just a state level libel trial. Uh, 552 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: Larry was and he claims he didn't really think about 553 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: this at the time, taking a gamble with the entirety 554 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: of the First Amendment. UM. So now, like the case 555 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: was not just about like whether or not he'd violated 556 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: Virginia law, but whether or not the First Amendment protected 557 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: powerful people from being made fun of. Um. And that 558 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: like kind of was the core of the Supreme Court 559 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: case that Larry Flint waged against Jerry Falwell. And if 560 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: he'd lost, it would have essentially removed First Amendment protections 561 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: from the parody of public figures. Thankfully, for all of us, 562 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: but most particularly late night TV hosts, the Justice is 563 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: ruled that even gross and repugnant parody of a public 564 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: figure was protected by the First Amendment. I mean satire. 565 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: If we don't have satire, what do we have? And 566 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: that's what the Supreme Court decided, and so because of 567 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: Larry Flint, that's not something we even have to debate over. 568 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: It's like settled jurisprudence. Um. So that's good. Chief Justice 569 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: Request explained that had they ruled against Flint, all any 570 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: public figure would ever have to prove is that a 571 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: writer made them feel bad to sue them and their 572 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: publication into oblivion. Um, which yeah, would have brought about 573 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: the end of free speech as we know it. So 574 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: Larry Flint both gambled and saved free speech. Uh, in 575 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: the course of a couple of years. Goody, good for you, Larry. Yeah, 576 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Larry's right up again. Everyone was 577 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: shocked at our victory, and no one more so than Fallwell, 578 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: who on the day of the decision called me a 579 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: sleege merchant hiding behind the First Amendment. Still, over time, 580 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: Fallwell was forced to publicly come to grips with the 581 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: reality that this is America where you can make fun 582 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: of anyone you want. Yeah. Yeah. As the nineteen nineties 583 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: rolled along, the death toll from AIDS. Sorry we're getting 584 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: back to AIDS now. Yeah, you can't read that in 585 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: the same happy voice you just read that decision. Nope, nope. 586 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Tone shifting is a real problem for me. But here 587 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: we are. The death toll from AIDS rose from to 588 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands, partly as a consequence, mainstream America 589 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: began to gradually wake up to the idea that gay 590 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: people are human beings and maybe didn't deserve to be 591 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: abandoned to die horribly by a sociopathic government. Well, most 592 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: of the country slowly started to accept homosexual people as 593 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: fellow citizens. Jerry fall Will continue to be a huge 594 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: piece of ship. When the Clinton administration pushed forward its 595 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: healthcare reform plan, fall Will complain in a video that 596 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: this would allow AIDS patients to receive treatment without quote 597 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: any penalty for their abusive lie styles. What the fuck 598 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: he's like, if you live, I want you to be punished. 599 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: I want you to go to jail for the crime 600 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: costing government money to treat you having a relationship with 601 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: someone you love. What a human piece of shit? Yeah, 602 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: really a human piece of ship. Jerry Folwell in his 603 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: tax exempt church, he quoted right wing firebrand Rush Limbaugh 604 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: when the piladicted old bastard Wine that allowing gays in 605 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: the military would bankrupt the government due to the cost 606 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: of their AIDS care, and the parade of bigotry went 607 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: on from there. I'm going to quote from God's right 608 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: hand again. In nine, in a mailing sent out to 609 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: supporters of the Liberty Alliance, Folwell wrote that the Clinton 610 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: administration is set to award thousands and thousands of immigration 611 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: visas to foreigners who are infected with a lethal, fatal 612 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: and deadly AIDS virus. It's lethal, fatal and deadly sophia. Well, 613 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: but if it's well, the first to cancel each other out, 614 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: so it's really only the last one just deadly, just 615 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: really dodged a bullet there, so they can come to America. 616 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: That's right. The administration is putting the health, welfare, public 617 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: safety in life of every American at risk just so 618 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: these homo sexuals can hold an Olympic Games for gays 619 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: and lesbians and transvestites and bisexuals and pedophiles and sodomites 620 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: and exhibitionists and cross dressers and every other sexual deviant 621 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: on the planet with perverted proclivities. That is a long 622 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: less that is a lot. But also he doesn't know 623 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: shit about what people do. No, he does not uh no, 624 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: he does not. I will say that's actually one of 625 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: the things you've got to give Jerry Fowell that you 626 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: don't have to give his kids is he was morally consistent. 627 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: He believed shitty things and he lived shitty things, whereas 628 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: his kids just say shitty things. Yeah, and they don't 629 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: believe him. No, no, no, they don't at all. So yeah, 630 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't know which is better, but there's no better. 631 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: It's a ship sandwich. It's a ship sandwich. Yeah. The 632 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: fundraising appeal warned that these deviants would infect Americans with 633 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: the AIDS virus before leaving to fame. Your pastors invade 634 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: your neighborhoods and recruit your children. Always comes back to that, 635 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: whether it's yeah, just teaching children to be gay, just 636 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: out there gay immigrants are going to recruit your kids. 637 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: The late nineteen nineties brought Larry Flint and Jerry Folwell 638 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: back together, this time as friends. Histories autist bromance started 639 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: in the nineteen episode of The Larry King Show. Flint 640 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: was promoting his recent autobiography, and Larry brought Fallwell out. 641 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: The pastor greeted his former rival warmly with literal hugs 642 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: and kisses. And then started dropping by his office on 643 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: visits to California. The two had a series of polite 644 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: debates on morality and First Amendment issues that went on 645 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: for nearly a decade. This is Larry Flint. In the 646 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: years that followed up and up until his death, he'd 647 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: come to see me every time he was in California. 648 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: We'd have interesting philosophical conversations. We'd exchanged personal Christmas cards, 649 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: He'd show me pictures of his grandchildren. I was with 650 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: him in Florida once when he complained about his health 651 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: and his weight, so I suggested he'd go on a 652 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: diet that worked for me. I faxed a copy to 653 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: his wife when I got back home. Now it's interesting 654 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: me because, like you kind of see the core of 655 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Fallwell's issue. If Larry Flint had just been like a 656 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: poor guy running like a fly by night porn magazine 657 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: out of his apartment, fall Wall would never have wanted 658 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: to talk to him. But like, fundamentally, just respect another 659 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: white guy with money exactly. That's really what it is 660 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, Yeah, that's his primary loyalty is too 661 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: other rich guys with money like gross Gross in God's 662 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: right hand, Michael Winter's notes that Fallwell was constitutionally incapable 663 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: of eating healthy food. His favorite breakfast was a cheddar 664 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: cheese omelet with sausage, which he generally ate at a 665 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: Bob Evans restaurant near his church. Everybody looked at me 666 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: as soon as I said that, I've been getting that 667 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: ship since I was a kid growing up in the 668 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: fucking Yeah. As a now an elderly man in his 669 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, fall Will continued his brutal schedule, traveling 670 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: across the nation to preach, as well as running Liberty University, 671 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: raising funds, and of course preaching at his own church. 672 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: Agent illness did not slow him down, nor did it 673 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: put an end to his hot takes. Yeah, in Jerry 674 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: threw down one of the hottest takes in the history 675 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: of hot takes. The Teletubby's A surreal British Children show 676 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: that I don't really know how to summarize if you 677 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: have not seen it and aren't aware of what it 678 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: looked like, took America by storm that year. Most people 679 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: saw it as a weird but basically harmless way to 680 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: keep children entertained. Not Jerry, Jerry, Yeah, you remember this one. 681 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: The purple Teletubby. Yeah, he saw it as a sinister 682 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: attempt to infect the minds of young children with devilish 683 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: gay propaganda. I'm going to quote from God's right hand again. 684 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: Falwell's Liberty Journal discerned to sinister agenda regarding Tinky Winky. 685 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: He is purple, the gay Pride color, and his antenna 686 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: is shaped like a triangle, the gay Pride symbol, noted 687 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: the February issue. If that was not enough, Tinky Winky 688 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: carried a magic bag that Folwell's editors thought looked suspiciously 689 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: like a purse. Her to accuse the producers of intentionally 690 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: putting subtle depictions of gay sexuality in the show, and 691 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: said that such role modeling of the gay lifestyle was 692 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: damaging to the moral lives of children. Again, such nerds, 693 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: such fucking nerds, gigantic, fucking nerds, and the way Larry 694 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: Flint summarizes this issue is fucking hysterical to me. When 695 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: he was getting blasted for his ridiculous homophobic comments after 696 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: he wrote his Tinky Winky article cautioning parents that the 697 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: purple Teletubby character was in fact gay, I called him 698 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: in Florida and yelled at him to leave the tinky 699 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: winkies alone. Oh my god, Larry Flints. That's amazing. Mm hmm. 700 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: You know what else is amazing, Sophia, These goods and services, 701 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: products and services. Sorry, we don't sell goods on this show. 702 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: Goods in our products and products are goods products. We're back. 703 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking some flak from Sophie, but I've still got 704 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: my bagel sling. Oh yeah, it's gonna do some damage, Sophie, 705 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna do some damage. So there were some signs over 706 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: the years that Jerry Fallwell might soften his attitude towards 707 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: homosexuality in the same way he reversed his opinion on segregation. 708 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: One of these was the torture and murder of Matthew 709 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: Shepard in October of nineteen. Fred Phelps in the Westboro 710 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: Baptist Church, being giant pieces of ship, protested Shepherd's funeral. 711 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: Jerry Fallwell, being a slightly smaller piece of ship, had 712 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: enough human decency to be sickened by this. He got 713 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: together with a Christian pro gay activist to hold a 714 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: summit on non violence within the evangelical community. Literally the hey, 715 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: we should stop murdering gay people. Maybe, yeah, we should 716 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: talk about murdering gay people, which you know, it took 717 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: him what six years, four to five years when he 718 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: had that epiphany about segregation, So you know, he was 719 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: really turning it over in his head. Is it wrong 720 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: for us to murder gay people? Yeah? Yeah, he was. Really, 721 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna take my time on this. Yeah, 722 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: he really it. So Fallwell failed refused to reconsider his 723 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: position that homosexuality went against the Bible and the will 724 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: of God. But he did stand in front of a 725 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: pastichiou photos of murdered gay people and state his desire 726 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: for peace inside both camps. Are people more interested in 727 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: peace than in war and glorifying God than in getting 728 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: their point across. He mentioned his friendship with Larry Flint 729 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: as evidence that he and his ministry supported love for people, 730 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: regardless of whether he approved of their behavior. He said 731 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: to the gay community, we have not done that with you. 732 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: We apologize for that, we ask your forgiveness for that. 733 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: So yea yeay, it's the right ish thing done eventually 734 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of sort of, let's read the next paragraph. Folwell 735 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: supported George W. Bush in the two thousand election. However, 736 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: he was not the same force that he had been 737 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighty election. For one thing, he was 738 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: older and less influential, but the religious right he organized 739 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: and formed into a weapon of political domination had only 740 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: grown more powerful. George Bush lost one with the help 741 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: of evangelical Christianity, and his administration would cater to them 742 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: in a more direct way than the Reagan administration had, 743 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: particularly with things like the proposed Defensive Marriage Act. As 744 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: you might expect, Jerry's reaction to the terrorist attacks on 745 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: September eleven, two one were uniquely shitty. While most of 746 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: America grieved and worked to process their fear and rage 747 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: and the wake of the most spectacularly deadly terrorist attack 748 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: in history, Jerry lashed out at who else, gay people? Yeah, 749 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: you get it, you're really getting a feel for this guy. Well, 750 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: I just also remember this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 751 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: Two days after the attack, while guesting on Pat Robertson's 752 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: show The Seven hundred Club, Folwell said, this, what we 753 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be 754 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain 755 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: and allow the enemies of America to give us probably 756 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: what we deserve. Pat, who was also a huge piece 757 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: of ship, Agreed, Jerry, that's my feeling, and I feel 758 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: we've just seen the anti chamber to terror. We haven't 759 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: even begun to see what they can do to the 760 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: major population. And shortly after that, I fall all got 761 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: down to explaining who he thought was really to blame 762 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: for all this. The abortionists have got to bear some 763 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: burden for this, because God will not be mocked. And 764 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: when we destroy forty million little innocent babies, we make 765 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: God mad. I really believe that the Pagans and the 766 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians 767 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, 768 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: the a C L you people for the American way, 769 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: all of them have tried to secularize America. I point 770 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: the finger in their face and say, you help this happen. 771 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's helping the country. Hell, you know what 772 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean. Things. What I love about the wake of 773 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: nine eleven is how it brought us all together. Ye 774 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: really made us the best version of ourselves. Yeah, Yeah, 775 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: what a what a beautiful way. If only we could 776 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: get back to that. Yeah, how can we be the 777 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: people we were at that moment? Yeah, before we blamed ourselves, 778 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: and when we blamed everyone else women and abolitionists, and yeah, 779 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: the a c l U and gay c LU. I 780 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: mean there's an extent to which that we could just 781 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: take this, we could like adopt this as kind of 782 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: an empowering statement, like, yeah, we did make nine eleven 783 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: half and guys, we fucked those towers up. Good good 784 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: on us? Oh my god, So what's it like? What's 785 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: the weather like in in your end of Canceledania? Right now? 786 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: I will let you know when my I helped cause 787 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: nine eleven t shirts gone sale at public Sophie, how 788 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: how close are we to getting those out? She just said, 789 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: fucking kill me? And I appreciate that these comments caused 790 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: an uproar, which was not enough to stop President Bush 791 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: from inviting Jerry Fallwell to speak at the National Cathedral 792 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: that year. Shortly after that, fall will release a non 793 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: apology apology. Despite the impressions some may have from news 794 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: reports today, I hold no one other than the terrorists 795 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: and the people and nations who have enabled and harbored 796 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: them responsible for Tuesday's attack on this nation. I sincerely 797 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: regret that the comments I made during a long theological 798 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: discussion on a Christian television program yesterday. We're taken out 799 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: of their context and reported that my thoughts reduced to 800 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: sound bites, have detracted from the spirit of this day 801 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: of morning. Okay, that's a bly. We all heard what 802 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: you said. What you know doesn't strike you as a 803 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: real apology. The fact that there's no I'm sorry in there. 804 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: But all he said was you helped this happen. He's 805 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: not saying that they committed nine eleven. They just enabled 806 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: nine eleven. You wouldn't arrest a guy for enabling a murderer, right, Yes, 807 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: that's conspiracy to commit murder. And then it does sound 808 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,959 Speaker 1: like Jerry Fowl was accusing that kind of does sound 809 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: like that by our new I helped enabled nine eleven shirts. 810 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: Not a fan of this one. I want to take 811 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: the bagel sling so bad. Aim at your stupid face 812 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: right now. Oh, the shirt could be somebody knocking down 813 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: the North Tower with a bagel from Robert You're fucking fired. Stop. 814 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Cansylvania by nightfall. Area. Yeah, you're 815 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: in the lowest levels of Pennsylvania right now. LOUI c 816 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: k is several floors above you. What does this mean 817 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: that iss and sorry is going to open for me? Now? No, 818 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: he is doing better than you. You would hope to open, 819 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: and you're not allowed. Yeah, you'r Weinstein level. Cosby is 820 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: in your kitchen making you t right now, let me 821 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: try my canceled apology. Okay, I am sorry that comments 822 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: I made about me causing nine eleven were taken out 823 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: of context by you and that it offended you. I 824 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: am sorry that you were offended by the things that 825 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: were said by someone who may have been me, But 826 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: I do not apologize specifically for the statement itself, or 827 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: for its intent or for its intent. Was that a 828 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: good apology? Yes? I feel a lot better, Thank you. 829 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from the people that I've written about. 830 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: So uh yeah. Well, the neo cons Fallwell had helped 831 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: into office launched two disastrous, very poorly waged and executed 832 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: wars that crippled our military and loaded future generations down 833 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: with unspeakable debt. Jerry Fallwell spent his last few years 834 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: seeing to his empire. In two thousand four, he opened 835 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: a law school at Liberty University, stating we planned to 836 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: turn out conservative lawyers the same way Harvard turns out liberals, 837 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: notable leftist Bastion Harvard, and two thousand five, his health 838 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: took a sharp down swing. He suffered a heart attack, 839 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: which he unfortunately survived. He recovered, but took this as 840 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: a sign that he should start preparing to hand over 841 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: the reins of his empire to his son, Jerry Jr. 842 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: Why don't you take that as a sign that you're 843 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: being evil. It's like nine eleven the Gays caused what 844 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: did how? How did you cause your own heart attack? Buddy? 845 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: Is it too much hate? They never never seemed to 846 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: really think that God did that because they were bad. 847 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: That is weird, super strange. Yeah, even in the twilight 848 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: of his life, Jerry Fall will continue to play shitty 849 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: pranks on people. Oh my god, one more prank story. 850 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,319 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna quote from God's right Hare. 851 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 1: He just joked about murdering people. He drove his suv 852 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: around campus, developing a new prank of revving the motorate 853 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: students as they walked in front of the Vehicle's great, 854 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: but that's threatening to run children over with your car. 855 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: I love the ship. All shitty people have the same 856 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: definition of prank, and it's making people fear for their lives. Yeah, 857 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. He equipped his suv with an especially loud 858 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: horn that he would blow it unsuspecting pedestrians. What a dick. 859 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: That's at least closer to a prank. What a fucking dick. 860 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: On Mai seven, Jerry fall Will ate breakfast at the 861 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: Bob Evans restaurant near his house. Afterwards, he entered his 862 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: office and suffered a massive heart attack. Thankfully, the paramedics 863 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: failed to revive him this time, and he stayed dead. 864 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,240 Speaker 1: And that, Praise the Lord, is the end of Jerry 865 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: Folwell story. But it is not the end of the 866 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: Fallwell story. And it was only the beginning of the 867 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: story of the institution known as Liberty University. But that, 868 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: my friends, is a story that will have to wait 869 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: for another week. But I have it written here, Sophia. 870 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: How you feeling I mean refreshed? Because now, he said, 871 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there's only one way to really celebrate 872 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: the death of Jerry Fallwell. If that bagel hits either 873 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: of us, I will punch you in the nuts. You'll 874 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: be right to do so. And okay, it's a deal. 875 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: I fell behind you. You don't even deserve to throw 876 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: it It's like the erectile dysfunction of bagel throwing right 877 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,280 Speaker 1: out of the hoop. Alright, alright, guys, it's gonna happen 878 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: now there's no star. Yeah, that was dangerously your Sophie's head. 879 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: It was anything you do with a sling and a 880 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: tiny enclosed recording studio is going to be dangerous. I 881 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: mean if one day Sophie slips something in your drink 882 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: and you deserve it, you have a massive heart attack 883 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:22,439 Speaker 1: after eating Bob Jones diner dinner. I mean, you're gonna 884 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: get your us right, the cheese omelet with sausage, and 885 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a nice Now, a hater attack 886 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: causes your heart attack. Hater tach hater tech. All right, 887 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: I have to leave. I feel like hate kept alive. Yep, 888 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: you want to plug your plug doubles? Sure? Um. You 889 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: guys can find me on Twitter and Instagram at the 890 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: Sophia so f I y A, and you can find 891 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: me co hosting private parts of Known, my podcast with 892 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: Corney Kosak about love and sexuality around the world, and 893 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: for Twenty Day Fiance, my podcast with Miles Gray about 894 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: ninety day fiance. And you can find me on the 895 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: internet at behind the Bastards dot com, where we'll have 896 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: all of the sources for this. I'd also like to 897 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: say special thanks to Corey who made this wonderful sling 898 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: that has improved all of our days. Burn in hell, Corey, 899 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: you burn in hell. And if someone wants to um 900 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: draw fan art of George Clooney and No Wiley kissing, 901 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: touching penises whatever taking down the World Trade Center, please 902 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: tweet that at me. What the fuck? Tune that at me? 903 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:42,479 Speaker 1: And also cancel Robert Cashtag, Cancel Robert, cancel Roberts uh 904 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: t shirts, public dot com, at Bastards pod, Twitter and Instagram. 905 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm I right okay on Twitter, where you can tell 906 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: me that I'm canceled to my digital face. And this 907 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: is the end of the episode. Is not the end 908 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 1: of the episode? What else do we do? Sophie? We 909 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: have another podcast Katie Stolen Cody Johnston. We have another 910 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: podcast with Katie Stolen Cody Johnston called NPRS Radio Lab. 911 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, we actually we actually we actually we actually 912 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 1: beat them last week in the ratings worst year ever. 913 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: All right, you brought it back. I like that. I 914 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: like that. Here's your bagel. I gotta bagel. All right, 915 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it one more time. This is This 916 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: one's for you, Corey. Feel like it's coming from me. 917 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,760 Speaker 1: You're trying to get something here, which I do not. 918 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: I can't. I've gently kicked it towards you now, all right, 919 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,280 Speaker 1: Well that's all the bagel throwing I'm gonna do today 920 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: with this link. Thanks Corey,