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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. I am John Schmilchi

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Speaker 1: is Paul the Tino. The phone number is two one

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Speaker 1: three or hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk of some Giants football with us and training camp.

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Speaker 1: We can see our folks. The rookies are here practicing

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Speaker 1: UM today the first practice sort of five. No media

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Speaker 1: access to that, but I might sneak out there and

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Speaker 1: have a little some notes for you over the course

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Speaker 1: of the weekend what we see out of the rookies

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Speaker 1: UM throughout the day and throughout the week, and then

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Speaker 1: the players report on Wednesday, all the veterans, they have

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Speaker 1: their conditioning test and then they will have their first

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Speaker 1: practice on Thursday afternoon. So Paul, it's starting to begin.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I was so tired of flipping the

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Speaker 1: months on my calendar at home. Finally we are here. Uh, John,

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you that, you know, you look

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Speaker 1: at this team coming into the camp and I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that I've been itching for more than anything else,

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Speaker 1: because let's face it, we knew all the rookies were

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Speaker 1: gonna be here because unlike the olden days where rookies

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Speaker 1: held out. Everybody's slotted now so the Giants, of course,

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of days finished signing everybody. Mcintosha signed,

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Speaker 1: Barkley sign which is not a surprise all the fans

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Speaker 1: that were worried about the draft bicks getting signed. They

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Speaker 1: always come in everything slots exactly. And that's the difference

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Speaker 1: between the olden days at the beginning of training camp

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Speaker 1: and now that worry, that stressor is over years ago.

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Speaker 1: You literally we're playing games thinking about, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be the hole down, who's not gonna be signed?

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Speaker 1: And the Giants are usually pretty good at having all

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Speaker 1: their picks signed, but not always And that was the

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Speaker 1: big headline swirling around the first couple of days of camp. Nowadays,

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Speaker 1: because the NFL several years ago went to the slotting format,

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Speaker 1: that is no longer the issue. So now the big

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Speaker 1: thing for me, the Mexican jumping being if you will,

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Speaker 1: that keeps me hopping and bobbing, you know, at all

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Speaker 1: hours of the night, is get these guys on the

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Speaker 1: field and how much can they do in the limited

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Speaker 1: coached up and get ready as soon as possible to play,

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Speaker 1: because what is it an eight or nine patted practices?

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Speaker 1: What's the total? I'm not positive about that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: even sure what the number is now. But those are

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Speaker 1: the ones during training camp that just hold carrot gold.

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Speaker 1: And you won't see those, by the way, until I

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Speaker 1: think Sunday is the first fully padded practice. I have

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Speaker 1: to double check. I think it's Sunday, but I got

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Speaker 1: a double check. And so for me, that's the anticipation.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that's got me bouncing off the walls

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Speaker 1: is get those get to those patted practices, and let's

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Speaker 1: see how quickly all of these newcomers, specifically the rookies

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Speaker 1: can help the Giants because no, watch John, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: need a media impact from these guys if they're going

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Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs this year. And look, you

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Speaker 1: want to see how these guys look when you start

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Speaker 1: playing real football. I mean, look, we've seen these guys

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Speaker 1: with no contact, So I mean we have a good

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Speaker 1: I think Schumer's offense, Betcher's defense, that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff that we have a decent feel for Uh, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna reinstall everything for a third time this offseason from scratch.

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Speaker 1: They'll do it faster since the players have seen it already. UM,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll move forward. But you're right, it's all

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Speaker 1: about the pads pull. And I think a good way

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Speaker 1: important individual that I want to see with the pads

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Speaker 1: on in the summertime here during training camp is our Flowers.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that's moving to the right side. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what that adjustment is gonna be like. Um,

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Speaker 1: good idea what Nate Solder as you know, he's a good,

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Speaker 1: I've seen Will Hernandez and pads up closer to Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And again, as we try to tell you every summer,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's there's still there's still kind of feeling

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Speaker 1: for me, the preseason games, and I know I'm can

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Speaker 1: suit crazy by most people, I think the preseason games

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Speaker 1: those games. Most people think they're throwaways. I'm salivating it

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Speaker 1: every snap until you get to that second game and

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Speaker 1: you go, John, I just want to see real football.

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Speaker 1: This isn't really I get that speech of you every year,

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Speaker 1: like the third week of August, John, I'm tired of

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Speaker 1: watching these preseasons that count because because what happens by

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Speaker 1: that point, By that point, you have already decided pretty

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Speaker 1: much who you think you guys are gonna be, and

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Speaker 1: And look in two days on Giants dot com you'll

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Speaker 1: see my my interview with James Betcher, and he gave

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Speaker 1: Scheming is designed to set up my best pass rushers

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Speaker 1: I think that is another huge factor. And to me, Paul,

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Speaker 1: the offense will be good enough. I really I believe that.

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Speaker 1: not know about the defense. I just don't. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's very fair to say that. And it's because what

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Speaker 1: his hands. Yeah, it does this matter? Well? Who you

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Speaker 1: guys again. I don't know exactly what the schedule is

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Speaker 1: gonna be at. We haven't figured that out yet. In fact,

429
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Speaker 1: we're still working on August. With all the moving pieces

430
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Speaker 1: we have going, we don't even hope detailed schedule that

431
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Speaker 1: we are basically right now, folks, I'm scheduled for this

432
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Speaker 1: show through Friday and beyond that, I'm working on it.

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Speaker 1: So TVD is what I'll tell you. Two four, five,

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Speaker 1: one three, Let's go to kenn in Trenton, New Jersey.

435
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Speaker 1: He's up next. I can hey, fellas, how we doing today?

436
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Speaker 1: But um, I haven't called in in a while. Uh,

437
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: actually I've been I've been working a real lot um.

438
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Speaker 1: I just noticed this morning that we needed tickets to

439
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Speaker 1: go to training camp, even though the tickets are free,

440
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Speaker 1: and I've been a regular at training camp for the

441
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Speaker 1: past couple of years, and I was wondering if if

442
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: we need a ticket in order to go to training camp,

443
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't know about it. Every weekend day is

444
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: sold out already. Are you in front of your computer

445
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: right now? Well, no, I just use my my phone, okay,

446
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: but yeah to the Giants app then, and yes, you

447
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: do need tor register for tickets. And I believe I

448
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: haven't talked to anybody for crowd control purposes, you know,

449
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 1: because there are as you know, limited number of seats

450
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Speaker 1: and the bleachers, and then you also have a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of people. They've been days here practiced John. I think

452
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: they were a couple last year. They don't want to

453
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Speaker 1: turn people away. They there was so many people that

454
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: the bleachers were full around the field and then they

455
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: were like six people deep standing between the bleachers outside

456
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Speaker 1: the fence. And the the matter is you get back

457
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Speaker 1: three or four people deep there they can't see and

458
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Speaker 1: especially kids who may not be as tall as some

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Speaker 1: of the adults. It's very, very disheartening if you've made

460
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Speaker 1: the trip down here and then you find out, we'll

461
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Speaker 1: guess what, I'm gonna be five people back from the

462
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Speaker 1: fence and I can't see anything? Why did I? Why

463
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Speaker 1: did I show up? Though? That's a miserable feeling. So

464
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Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to do is a crowd

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Speaker 1: control situation to make sure that everybody enjoys their time here. Okay, well,

466
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Speaker 1: I'll be sure next year to to hurry up and

467
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Speaker 1: get my tickets when they come out. But yeah, like

468
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: like I said, I can I work all week I can't.

469
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: I can only come on the weekends. But the weekend

470
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: days were sold out within like five minutes. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know anything. I couldn't do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: That Well, we appreciate the call him in and uh hopefully,

473
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Speaker 1: well we'll have to see it camp soon, all right,

474
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: thank you can appreciate it. Yeah, and folks that that

475
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Speaker 1: that that's merely a way to make sure that um

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Speaker 1: they have X number of people in and they want

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Speaker 1: to get him in. And you know, go to giants

478
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Speaker 1: dot com if if if you search this Giants training

479
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: camp and you google it'll come up. It'll be second

480
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Speaker 1: or third on the list or something like that. And

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Speaker 1: have the practice schedule the rules. I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Saturday is the first fully padded practice

483
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Speaker 1: is Saturday. Yes, so something they keep in mind. Yeah,

484
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: and again, folks, I know there's threat of often on

485
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Speaker 1: rain during the course of the week, all week, yes,

486
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Speaker 1: the mess so please, I hate to put water on

487
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Speaker 1: your parade here, but and I'm not trying to be funny,

488
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: but when it rains and the Giants are forced to

489
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: move practice inside, you can't come inside. There's no room

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Speaker 1: inside the field. So that's the bad news, you know.

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Speaker 1: So always check the weather forecast, and we invite you

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Speaker 1: to check the Giant's website and the Twitter page, because

493
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: if they decide that they've got to move it, they'll

494
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: let you know as soon as possible. Through those means.

495
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: Don't want you to come out if they you can't say. Now,

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00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: the stands do have canopies on them now to protect

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Speaker 1: you from the sun and the rain. And I will

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00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: say this, It wasn't practiced in the spring where there

499
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Speaker 1: was media access, but I stood out there in a

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Speaker 1: pretty heavy drizzle for about an hour and a half

501
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Speaker 1: as Pat Tremmer continue to have practice outside in May.

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Speaker 1: So just because it's raining a little bit, don't assume

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Speaker 1: that means they're not going to practice outside. Now. This

504
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: isn't you know the old Even Tom Coflin used to

505
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: even a little bit of rain used to move everything inside.

506
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Ben Mackie did the same thing. But based on what

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Speaker 1: I saw in the spring, if as long as there's

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Speaker 1: the lightning, lightning, it will immediately go inside. No story

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Speaker 1: for fans, players and us and everybody else. But if

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Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of rain, they might stay

511
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Speaker 1: outside anyway. So just keep that in mind. Yeah, stay

512
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Speaker 1: right on the Giant's app, stay and the Giants website,

513
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, they will let you know. They

514
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: will absolutely get that information out to you right away

515
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Speaker 1: as soon as practice is moved if it's going to be.

516
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something, it's a great time if

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Speaker 1: you can make it out here. And I certainly hope

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Speaker 1: the weather holds up for everybody. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: to Shakes in Baltimore, Maryland off the Giant season. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to Shakes a couple of times. He wasn't

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00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: only be calling me, I doesn't want to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I know, what's up? Shakes it? What's going on? Hello?

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Speaker 1: How are you good man? What's up with you? You excited? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm extremely excited. You. I know this man, I've been

525
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: talking about Barkley and and y'all know five years ago

526
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: and y'all just spoke on on how long you've been

527
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: doing this? And five years ago I called then and

528
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Speaker 1: uh that this is gonna be funny. Do you remember when, um,

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Speaker 1: I think this was like the first conversation or maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the first conversations we had. And you had

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Speaker 1: a show on that draft night that we drafted p. Yes,

532
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Speaker 1: and I wanted over Tree and I was on here

533
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: coming on here. I do remember you gotta draft over,

534
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: gotta draft over Tree, and we drafted p and I

535
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: came on that show that you was doing and I said,

536
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Speaker 1: what are we allergic to? Lineback? Is? There's something I remembered?

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Speaker 1: Remember that? Well, it's nice to know that they finally

538
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: got the inoculation on that. I will tell you something

539
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: shakes you. You remember one of the issues coming out

540
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: of school Fogel Tree was there was some questions about

541
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Speaker 1: his knee and also off the field stuff. And there

542
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: was there was there was some off the field stuff

543
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: that was a little bit abrasive and and to be fair,

544
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: the Giants also at that point should have done more

545
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: addressing of the offensive line that was already starting to

546
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: be the time when they need It's funny, it's funny shaking.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. You mentioned that draft. Do you go back?

548
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: That draft was a brutal like for everybody that there

549
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: was an awful draft, and Ogle Tree and pu we're

550
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: actually two of the best first round picks in that draft.

551
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: So based on everything else around the Giants, they actually

552
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: did okay with Pew even though you would right out

553
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: of a road have rather had Ogletree. I guess I

554
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: guess he's probably been a little bit better. We got

555
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: him now, so it's all good. UM. I want to

556
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: just speak on a couple of things here now. First

557
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: of um, the past rushing right now. I agree with y'all.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's something that we're gonna have to see

559
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: and I've been telling folks on my show, but that, UM,

560
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the rookies, um b j Him, Rental Carter,

561
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I feel like those guys have to come through with

562
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: the pass rush on that side of the m of

563
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Speaker 1: the field. Now, I also wanted to talk about um

564
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: so shakes before you go anywhere else, before you go

565
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to your next point. Let's make something real clear. They

566
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: do need somebody on that flip side of Vernon who's

567
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to apply heat. If it's not Lorenzo Carter,

568
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: if he can't be a quick comer on this, then

569
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Karim Martin is going to have to be that guy. Yeah,

570
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean the pressures are

571
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Speaker 1: one of those two guys to start bringing the heat. Absolutely, Absolutely,

572
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Speaker 1: I totally agree. And and b J. Hill I believe

573
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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna tell you y'all remember how I was

574
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: gussy over Donald Um and his uh his quick snack.

575
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: It's quick, yep, quick least off the snap. He he

576
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: has that in him, b J. Hill, He has that.

577
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: He does not not to that level, not to that level,

578
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: but he does. He does have that. He does have

579
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: a quick start that I called it Donald. Okay what

580
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, No, that's fine, that's fine. So Um Anyway,

581
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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the baty thing because it's

582
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: five years thirty one right if they say fully guarantee

583
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: first the first four years of first round pick contracts

584
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: are all fully guaranteed for the usually the first twenty

585
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: or so picks in the first round, the bottom the

586
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: bottom third or so, those guys don't get the whole guarantee,

587
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: but the first twenty or so do. And he's the

588
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: four sighs running back and the LEA And you know

589
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: that's the thing we talked about last week with the

590
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Speaker 1: whole Levy on Bell thing. I mean, Davante Freeman is

591
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Speaker 1: the Leas's highest paid running back. I think the average

592
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 1: is eight million a year in his contract. It's just

593
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: it's not something that teams want to pay for. M

594
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you know what Jake's I mean, I want to say

595
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: it makes something clear, though, what makes something very clear?

596
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you take a guy number two in

597
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the draft, you pretty much know the number it's gonna

598
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: be before you take him. So you know, if you

599
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: have the trepidation about giving those numbers to a running back,

600
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: then you basically have to say to yourself, and I

601
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: know there were some people who did, Barkley's got to

602
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: be off the board because he's a running back and

603
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: that's the number where we don't want to pay. And

604
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Speaker 1: and again I know there are people who felt that way.

605
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: I was never in that camp. But you can't gripe

606
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Speaker 1: about the money in retrospect because you knew what it

607
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: was gonna be. Yeah, and I mean it's gonna be

608
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: well worth anyway. But my thing is, um, he made

609
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: me lose my train of thought. Yeah, sorry, but no,

610
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's all right, Um, but being paid a

611
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Speaker 1: fourth highs But oh yeah, it's going to change. It's

612
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Speaker 1: going to change, um with uh, what's the guy in

613
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Speaker 1: l a girl? Yeah, he gets his money girl, Girly,

614
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Speaker 1: Girly Elliot as well. When he gets his money, Girly

615
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Speaker 1: and Levian will be coming up soon because Levians got

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Speaker 1: franchise as she will be free next year. I think

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Speaker 1: girl is gonna be free next year too, if I

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00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: remember correctly. Have to check on that. Zekiel, it's those

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Speaker 1: three years left on his rookie deal, so don't And

620
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: his number is already fairly high anyway because he was

621
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Speaker 1: what the fourth overall pick in the draft, third overall picks,

622
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: so he's already making decent money anyway. So um, it's

623
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Speaker 1: a matter of whether or not Bell and Girly move

624
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: the Needle Chicks here's the thing. We've taken a look

625
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: at this before. And Girly runs out after the nineteen season.

626
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: After the nineteen season, well that would be the fifth

627
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: year option and nine millions next year. So but they

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00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: can correct absolutely and and I'm I'm sure they already

629
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Speaker 1: did absolutely so, and and you know, the thing moving

630
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: forward shakes. And somebody called in and talked to us

631
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: about this last week. I figured it might even been you.

632
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember, and I looked it up. Even the

633
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: guys that you consider running backs that have played a

634
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: long time, like Ladinian Tomlinson, he had eight real good

635
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: years and that's about the maximum you're gonna get out

636
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: of a running back. Now. He's not necessarily going to

637
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: be done after eight years, but he's not gonna be

638
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Speaker 1: a game changer anymore. So that's kind of what you're

639
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: looking at here. And if you pick a guy in

640
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the first round, you have him under your control for

641
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: five years, including the option. You can franchise him twice

642
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: after that, so that's seven Okay. A team's gonna have

643
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: to decide here whether or not they want to pay

644
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: a running back long term when he's entering his eighth year,

645
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: which usually the last year they're really good. So getting

646
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: a second contract for a running back can be really, really,

647
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: really tough if his initial team uses that franchise tag

648
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: twice the same way the Steelers did. And by the way,

649
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: with the running back market depressed, that franchise tag is

650
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: very reasonable. So that franchise tag for Lavy and Belle

651
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: was what like eleven twelve million dollar or something like that.

652
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: It's not gonna kill your salary cap. So teams are

653
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna be more and more willing to do that where

654
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: they draft running back in the first round, you keep

655
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: for five years on that fifth year option, you franchise

656
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: him twice, and then even if he has one or

657
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: two good years left, say lave enjoy it somewhere else.

658
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: We're not going to carry dead money on our cat

659
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: because we're paying a guy passed this prime absolutely great,

660
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: breaking it down. You see, That's what I'm talking about.

661
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: That's how we do it, no question. Let's your boy

662
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: know who I don't know. I called that. He's like

663
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: shakes from you said from it's a new training thanks sake.

664
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. New training game means are working people

665
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: back in. Everyone's getting back into the mix. Not. Everyone's

666
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: aware of shakes his legendary status. It's okay, shakes that

667
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: a little blow of the eagle there. You notice that? Well,

668
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, I understand. I mean, you know this is

669
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: a guy who's got his face on the BBK mout Rushmore.

670
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: He does. That's a bold statement him, right, Charlie. I'm

671
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: not picking favorite these guys. These guys are all onto

672
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: BBK mout Rushmore. They've been here since the be getting.

673
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna I'm gonna do with them being favorites.

674
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: It has to do with them being legends. You don't

675
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: have to like a legend, no, in something tendon shape.

676
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: I love all of our callers. Okay, I'm going to

677
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: be the chamber of commerce on this. I'm not asking

678
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: you to pick favorites. I sorry. If you're putting four

679
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: rides out about Rushmore, they're your four favorites. That's my favorites.

680
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I said, they are legends, they have earned status. When

681
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: we're not, their favorite is relevant. They are some of

682
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: our most loyal and best callers. So I'm rewarding them. Okay,

683
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: to the BPK Mount Rushmore, Paul Paul De Tino's BBKS

684
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: Matt Rushmore. They'd be clear about that, all right, two

685
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: O four five on three. Back to the phone. Let's

686
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: go to Duke and Queen's he's up next high Duke. Hey,

687
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: what's up, guys. I'm not on my Rushmore, but definitely

688
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: definitely believe that I'm the Sakon Barkley. I'm sorry, We'll

689
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: take some dynamite to Mount Rushmore and blow it up.

690
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: That's it, It's gone. Um. I wanted to say he

691
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: actually still want of my questions and regarding say Kwon Barkley,

692
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: but I wanted to stay two things that I wanted,

693
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask the question, uh question, Eli Apple.

694
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: If you had to compare him coming out of college

695
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: to Sam Bill, what would you say? Like? Not even close,

696
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: Eli Apple? Eli Apple is a better prospect um, a

697
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: little big, bigger um in terms of just girth and size,

698
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: a little stronger, a little longer, ran a little bit faster,

699
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I believe as well. I think it's four time was

700
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: a little bit better um. And he played at a

701
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: higher level. He played Ohio State, Sambill played a Western

702
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Michigan's a different level of play um between those two schools.

703
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: So I think Ela Apple is certainly a better prospect

704
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: coming out to remember people when they say Beal, sorry, Paul,

705
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: that's right. It's gonna be like he's projected to be

706
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: a first round pick next year. That's if that's if

707
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: he plays well. By the way, how many times have

708
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: we heard about these guys before their senior year. He's

709
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten picks a play well senior,

710
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: and he's a third rounder. So you know a lot

711
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: can change from one year to the next when it

712
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: comes to these type of projections. Yeah, there's no question

713
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: about that. And I would also add, quite honestly, Eli

714
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Apple was a physical player and a very good tackler

715
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: coming out of Ohio State. He hit people, he was

716
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: good in one support bell. One of the things that

717
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: they talked about him needing to work on is going

718
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: to be his tackling. It's funny we talked, Paul. You

719
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: know you weren't here last week. Po was on vacation.

720
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, if you saw a really fast bronze

721
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: ball moving abnormally quickly down the beach, that was paula

722
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: Tino last week at the Jersey Shore, just blowing um.

723
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: But we so we talked to Beal's head coach and

724
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: defensive back coach last week, and they said he needs

725
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: to work on wrapping up. But he's not afraid to

726
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: stick his nose in there, so he's willing, but he

727
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: needs to get better technique at it. So that's kind

728
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: of where they described his tackling. I think. I think

729
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: the video shows he's one of those push and knock

730
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: him over the fenders as opposed to wrapping up and

731
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: throwing down. Like they said, he has to wrap up better.

732
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, also wanted to say that r

733
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: J McIntosh, I'm super happy to date on him. We

734
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: just signed him. He's on an active list. Uh. And

735
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: again I think I said this last week or maybe

736
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I like him better than b J.

737
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Hill Hold though they're both great. Um, And I was

738
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: thinking about that, just just that thought, and it actually

739
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: is gonna segue into my next question, which is, what

740
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: do you guys think, uh sort of what do you

741
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: think is like a quality of a player, like something

742
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: that is indicative of a hidden jim coming out of

743
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: the draft, Like what what does that person need like

744
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: or can we predict that? Do you guys think that

745
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: something that can be predicted? Oh, this time might be

746
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: a hidden gem or is it it is just a

747
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: feeling about feelings. Well, I think there are a few things, Duke,

748
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: and and thanks a lot for the call. We appreciate.

749
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: I think there are a few things that can help

750
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: you get a hidden jim one. Maybe a smaller school

751
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: guy that you for some reason believe he can operate

752
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: at a higher level and other teams have question is

753
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: about it? Um, you have an injury that might have

754
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: hitten the player a little bit, and for some reason

755
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: you have some type of intel that you believe he

756
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: can bounce back from this, or he's really good, and

757
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: that scares teams off off the field issues too. I mean,

758
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: if a guy is an off the field issue that

759
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: other teams are really worried about taking off the board,

760
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: but you, for some reason you're scouting is so good

761
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: that you know that this kid is a good kid.

762
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: He was just one bad spot he got over it.

763
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: That can help you find the hidden gem. Otherwise, I

764
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: think to me and Paul and I, we haven't talked

765
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: about this, so we might very well disagree on this.

766
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: The way I look at a duke, the guys to

767
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: me that can step in and be hidden gems the

768
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: guys that are better football players and that that sounds

769
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: really basic, of course, no, no dub, but football skills

770
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: like a lot of these guys coming out of school

771
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: now or projections and like he's a great athlete, especially

772
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: offensive line, but he's never playing the two point. He's

773
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: ever playing a three point stance. Um, you know you

774
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: have wide receivers while he runs a four three and

775
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: he's six too, but he's run three routes his whole

776
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: college career. He doesn't run the route trade. Give me

777
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: the guy that might not be as physically gifted but

778
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: comes out of a pro system and knows how to

779
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: run a route tree and knows what he's doing and

780
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: knows technique. Those are the guys to me that can

781
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: figure things out better than maybe the raw guys that

782
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: you have to teach. Because you know, we talked about

783
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: tim on the field of so limited autpole, it's hard

784
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: to teach the way you used to do in this league.

785
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I will buy that, John, But I also think in

786
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: a way you kind of you said it, but you

787
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: kind of buried it when you said system. Because I'll

788
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: give you a great example when ah Diggiza was taken

789
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: out of U c l A. He was a run

790
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: stopping first defensive end in the three four. In the

791
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: three four it with the Bruins, who the Giants had

792
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: projected was going to be a dynamic NFL pass rusher.

793
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: That's why they took him in the third round because

794
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: they thought he was a sleeper pass rusher, that they

795
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: were going to be able to use his tools and

796
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: his skills coach him up, teach him, use him in

797
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: their scheme, and get him to be a terrific pass rusher.

798
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: It did not work out. They projected that his tools

799
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: would allow him to pass rush in the pros, even

800
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: though he wasn't asked to or put in the position

801
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: to do that exactly right, it wasn't. It was like,

802
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: we think he can do it, but they didn't use

803
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: him that way. So when you're asking about some of

804
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: these dark horses and some of these guys who are

805
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: diamonds in the rock, that's a big deal. It's like, Okay,

806
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: while in college he was a slot receiver, but we

807
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: think he's big enough that he can play outside, and

808
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him outside as as one of those

809
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: guys who's going to stretch the field because we think

810
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: he can do it. And all of a sudden, a

811
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: guy caught forty balls in his college career because he

812
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: was a little used slot receiver only on throw down.

813
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: He gets to the NFL, and now he's a star

814
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: on the outside, right, Or let me give another a

815
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: couple of different examples like Evan Ingram last year. And

816
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: again I'm not saying we know he's a hidden Jim

817
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: yet we don't know that, but coming out paul and

818
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: I looked at the tape. They didn't ask him to block, no,

819
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: but the giants believe based on what they saw on

820
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: tape and at the Senior Bowl. Like we talked, when

821
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: we talked to Tony Pauline, He's like, look at the

822
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, he blocked the heck out of people, and

823
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: they believed that he could become a better two way player.

824
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Now there's still a lot of work to do in

825
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: that area, but I think he showed more in his

826
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: first NFL year than he showed in any of his

827
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: years in college. And the willingness to do it. Yes,

828
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: And and if you remember, that was my resistance I

829
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: originally in terms of putting him on the board. It's like,

830
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm seeing a lot of one

831
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: dimensional here. And then I kept hearing, well, you know

832
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: he's willing to do it, but they didn't ask him

833
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: to do it, all right, Well you better be sure.

834
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm gonna go across sport here

835
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: a little bit um the basketball for a second, just

836
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: because it's local and people kind of paid attention a

837
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: little bit. I think the Nicks are a perfect example

838
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: of the way you find maybe hidden gems like Kevin Knox.

839
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: He wasn't used by John Calipari a Kentucky to utilize

840
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot of his skills. All of a sudden, you

841
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: put him an NBA system and he's doing all sorts

842
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. He didn't do it Kentucky, and you're like, wow,

843
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: if he did this stuff in college, you would have

844
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: been a top five pick. But he never had a

845
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: chance to show it. Mitchell Robinson he didn't play last year,

846
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: so that goes back to either off the field or

847
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: injury stuff. He dropped out of school. No one seemed

848
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: to k the kid hasn't played in an organized game

849
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: of five or five basketball in a year, so that

850
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: obviously scares the hell out of a lot of people.

851
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: They don't pick him. Then all of a sudden he's

852
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: sitting there and you might get a good player late.

853
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: So those are the type of odd circumstances that can

854
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: help you find those types of hidden gems. Two five,

855
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: one three. See, now this is the problem. This guy

856
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: is already extremely cocky and extremely high in himself, and

857
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: now you're putting him on your fictitious mount Rushmore. I

858
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: blew it up, and now I have to deal with him.

859
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I blew it up already, but it's still in his head.

860
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: You don't understand, Charlie, you're not on my rushmore. I'm sorry. Hey, hey,

861
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: you know whose head just blew up? Yes? Now I

862
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: got now, I got self. Just talk o god, Hey,

863
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things. Um, this whole Macintosh situation. Oh,

864
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: by the way, Charlie, real quick. By the way, I'm sorry.

865
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Was the last car said Macintosh was active? And I

866
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: want to sect that. I thought he said active either way,

867
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: whatever he said. I just want to be clear on

868
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: what his situation is. He's on the non football illness list.

869
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: We don't know when he's going to be ready to

870
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: do stuff. We'll know when we hear from Patrimer on Wednesday,

871
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: for the first time. Um, what are you signed? And

872
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: we don't know what his status is quite yet. So

873
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: that's where R. J. McIntosh stand. Just so everyone's on

874
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: the same page, right, Mr Illness number two. The reason

875
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm bringing this up is like we had an opposite

876
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: in our fifth round pick to pick an offensive tackle.

877
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: Remember the guy Paul from Oregon that was still there

878
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: and Jones from Ohio State Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Crosby

879
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: from from Yeah. I mean, we had an opportunity to

880
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: pick one of those two and we picked Mr Illness,

881
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: didn't not but scouting department realized this guy had an issue.

882
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: Um you know what, Charlie. Um. We have found out

883
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: subsequently that Crosby had a foot issue at Oregon and

884
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: there were a lot of teams in the NFL. One

885
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons he dropped. For sure, a lot of

886
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: teams didn't even have him on their board because he

887
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: did have a foot issue when he was with the Ducks.

888
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: And then Jamarco Jones. I'm not sure what the issue is.

889
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I do not remember hearing about what that might have

890
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: been on. So there are reasons that some of us

891
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: know and some of us will never know as to

892
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: why that folder said, you can't take and Charlie, we

893
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know the circumstances behind McIntosh's illness and what the

894
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: team knew and what they did and all that stuff.

895
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: I can't I can't speak to it. I don't know

896
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: the answer to that question, all right, And I got

897
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: I guess something. I anno. This is not these are

898
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: not my sources, but from another there a third person source.

899
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: This guy was right on about Sam Beale coming to

900
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: the Giant. He says, the gettleman is trying to get

901
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Ricky Wagner or this guy Heller, who's an offensive tackle

902
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: from the Bengals. So let me look at the number

903
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: on him, what his salary is? Go ahead, Well, the

904
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: problem with there, doesn't he plays the same position as

905
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: oval Tree. No, no, Ricky way, he's about about the

906
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: right right tackle. I'm sorry. Yeah, he was with the Ravens,

907
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: was a free agent last year, got big money that

908
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I think he was the highest paid right tackle when

909
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: he went to lines last year. I could confuse him

910
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: with the linebacker for the Seahawks. That's that. And and honestly,

911
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: if the Giants were not in the bidding for him

912
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: as a free agent last year, I find that I

913
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: treated you already, Charlie. I find it hard to believe

914
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna go for any kind of deal

915
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: with the economic deal that he got, you know with

916
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: the Lion. Remember that the team that trades the player

917
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: still us to pay that whole signing bonus. So that's

918
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Sansos is gonna be accelerating. It's gonna blow up the

919
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: cap if they end up trading that gay. Let me

920
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: let me see what. Let me just see for an

921
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: argument's sake, the thing that Gettleman is actively seeking looking

922
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: for a right tackle. So that was good news to me. So, uh,

923
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, watching it might it might happen, it might not.

924
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if Flowers plays incredible during the preseason or

925
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: he looks better than he had, then they might not

926
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: do it. But if he doesn't, there's a there's an

927
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: opportunity that they're looking at. Again, we've had this conversation before.

928
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I remember you called us about boy who is the

929
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: tackle for the for the Falcons, that that you had

930
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: like eighteen phone calls in a row about the John's

931
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: trading from oh he was a restricted free agent, Yeah,

932
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: and you kept calling about how they're trader thank you,

933
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: Ryan Trader, Ryan Trader, That exactly right. And you're like, oh,

934
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: they've got a trade for him. They said they're looking

935
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: at a deal him. And what did the Falcons do?

936
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: They give a huge contract exension. You didn't go anywhere.

937
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: So um again, we'll see. I don't know. Um, I'm selling,

938
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: you're hearing if you're hearing it here first hey. And

939
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: the other thing is, look, I don't care where you

940
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: put me on Mount Rushmore. You can have shakes first

941
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: and lamb second wherever I am. I'm very nouble about it,

942
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: thank you, Paul. No problem. But by the way, based

943
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: on the numbers we're looking at it and over the

944
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: caffer Ricky Wagner, if they were to trade him, the

945
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: lines would be on the Hulk for nearly twelve million

946
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: dollars worth of signing bonus just this year. So I

947
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: don't happened. I don't see them doing that. Never mind

948
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: the giants doing that. They would have seven million dollars

949
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: accelerated on this and that. And you said that there

950
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: was a guy from Cincinnati on your on your on

951
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: your radar. Hell he was. He was the backup right Jackle,

952
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: but he ended up starting because the guy got hurt

953
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: last year. Wasn't the be a disaster last year? Wasn't

954
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: the Bek's offensive one of disaster last year? I thought

955
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: you were gonna call and talk about what we tweeted

956
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: about yesterday? Oh what is that? Can't remember out what was?

957
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Charlie gets all excited. He goes NFL dot com put

958
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: out a list of the fifty best free agents still available.

959
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: And on the list and by the way, he was

960
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: the only tackle on the Guess what number? He was

961
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: out of the fifty best offensive best free agents available

962
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: on the market, So there were forty five other guys

963
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: that don't have That's my point. If there are forty

964
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: five other guys that aren't good enough to be on

965
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: a team that are available before the best offensive tackle,

966
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: do you know what that tells you? The offensive tackles

967
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: left on the street aren't very good. That's what it

968
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: tells you. Was Dez Bryant. It was a whole bunch

969
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: of guys like that. There weren't forty five des Bryant's

970
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: on the list. Come on, Charlie, and just in the interest,

971
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: in the interest of getting this right, you're talking about

972
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: a guy named Heller for the Bengals h G L

973
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: L E R YEA believe. So, yeah, he doesn't exist.

974
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Well I think that, and I forget his name, but

975
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: he was the backup. You forget his day, and that

976
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't help anybody. I will tweet to who what his

977
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: name is? I thought it was. However, maybe it's not.

978
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Hold On, I'm looking at the depth chart here, you

979
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: got um Bobby Hart. Do you want Bobby back? Jeez,

980
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't want him back? All right? Let me check

981
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: last year, hold on, um, as of December one seen

982
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals right tackle was if I can actually scroll

983
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: down here, um Andre Smith and Eric Winston were the

984
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: two right tackles in December. Well maybe he ended up

985
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: playing left tackle that and Eric Winston. So I think

986
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: you you might have the wrong team here, Charlie. I

987
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: can't help you. Maybe it's not the Bengals in Hey,

988
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: but Eric Winston is available. Heartbeat, Thank you, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie,

989
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: you've now gone from Mount Rushmore to the quick sandpit.

990
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I have a great day. Ron

991
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Heller is an offensive line coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

992
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: That I'll help you, Oh my goodness, who's next? Who's next?

993
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if here's anything less than probably not

994
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: boy two one four five one three. You put him

995
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: on the damn mount. It's your fault pushed him off

996
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: right now? Mark, what's going on about without a parachute? Charlie? Hi? Mark? Hey?

997
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Can I have this spot on Mount Rushmore? Now? Look

998
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: what you've done? No, look what you've done. I haven't

999
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: been calling him long enough, so I don't deserve it,

1000
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: and I'll admit that. So anyway, um, hey, before you

1001
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: uh get started, Hey, I'm gonna drive over to the

1002
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Detroit training camps for days. You guys gonna be out there, Um,

1003
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I will out there for the duration of the week.

1004
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: I think Paul's coming in on Wednesday or Thursday. I

1005
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: haven't gotten my itinerary, might be Thursday. All right, well good,

1006
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it and maybe we can run

1007
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: into each other as all right. Hey, Um, the thing

1008
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: about oh b j Um, I think Oh b J

1009
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: is gonna get a little bit more action in the

1010
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: preseason than we might think. And I'll put a big

1011
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: if out there, and that's if he's healthy. I think

1012
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. One is I think that

1013
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: we want to prove to our future opponents that hey,

1014
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: O b J is back and you better game plan

1015
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: for him big time versus what we've been doing in

1016
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: the past. Where I don't think he'll be running any

1017
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: of these routes across the middle of where he enjured

1018
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: his ankle last year. We won't see any of that.

1019
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna be running some long patterns

1020
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: to uh, let the opponents know that O. B J

1021
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: is back. And the other reason I think he wants

1022
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: to be out there and running because it will help

1023
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: him with his contract negotiations that hey, I'm back, I'm

1024
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: fully healthy. Now let's sit down, work out in agreement.

1025
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: And that's my perspective of the situation. Well, Mark, here's

1026
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: the thing. There shouldn't be any questions about his health. Um.

1027
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: According to Pat Charmer, and this was his quote, he's

1028
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: cleared to practice, and that was what he said at

1029
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp, which was six weeks ago. So unless there's

1030
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: been a re injury, which there's absolutely no evidence there

1031
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: has been anything of the kind, he should be fully

1032
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: cleared and ready to go at the start of camp.

1033
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they'll take it slow just out

1034
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: of precaution, but the ankle injury s right, Paul should

1035
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: be pretty much healed, right, Yeah, And I would tell

1036
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: you from a strategic perspective, I'd actually take it the

1037
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: other way. First of all, I don't want to take

1038
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: any chances with him in preseason games. I don't want,

1039
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 1: I don't need to prove anything to anybody in terms

1040
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: of what O'Dell is if he's right. And I think

1041
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: there's certainly a little bit of an element of surprise

1042
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: too if he doesn't play preseason games. Not only are

1043
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: you not risking him to injury, but then when you

1044
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: unveil him against Jacksonville and everybody's anticipating, well, let's see,

1045
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: let's see see. And then if he goes out there

1046
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: and does what you think he's going to do, well,

1047
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville is going to be hit by a

1048
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: gut punch right to the stomach, because when he tells me,

1049
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna expect him to be pretty good. I think

1050
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin will because that's what he'll will tell Maron.

1051
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Do you think Jalen Ramsey's get hit into the game

1052
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: being like, I can take it easy this game. I'm

1053
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: not worried about thirty. I'm sure that Coughlin will tell

1054
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: Maron and Moron will tell Ramsey, and they will be prepared.

1055
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: But I do think that if you unveil Beckham for

1056
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: the first time in full in jack against Jacksonville, there

1057
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: may still be a little bit of a wow factor.

1058
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: How about this. I think both you guys are overthinking it.

1059
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I don't think it's really gonna matter

1060
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: one way or the other, to be honest with you,

1061
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: quite yeah, and whatever whatever we think as smart as

1062
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: actually relevant as well. That's also true. Alright. Well, the

1063
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: other thing that you were talking about Sam Beale, and

1064
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I sort of put him in the same position as

1065
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Darry Thompson was a couple of years ago. And my

1066
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: take on Thompson from what I could he last year,

1067
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: maybe his tackling skills weren't the best, but I thought

1068
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: that his problem was he took the wrong angle. It

1069
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: was both to make the tackle, and I think it

1070
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: was based on the speed of the game, and you know,

1071
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: making that step from the Mountain West to the NFL.

1072
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: And I think Bill, I don't know what conference Western

1073
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: Michigan is in, but you know, whatever it is, you

1074
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: know you're taking it up a couple of notches in

1075
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: terms of the speed, and I think that's what's going

1076
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: to hold them back here, at least initially as we

1077
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: go into the start of the season. I think that's

1078
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: a good point. And I think that was I don't

1079
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: know what the reason was it and more thanks to

1080
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: the call. The reason was for Thompson's issues last year

1081
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: with a tackle, but you right, there was wrapping up

1082
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: issues and there were angle issues. I think that's an

1083
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: accurate statement. I don't think Paul and I would disagree

1084
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: with that at all. I would not um. But the

1085
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: other issue too is that, look, guy Sambio hasn't done

1086
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: anything yet. I mean he he's in quote unquote combine shape.

1087
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: He's not a football shape. So that's gonna take a

1088
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: little while from to get into football shape because you

1089
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: know how that goes coming after those those you know,

1090
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: Olympic workouts for the lack of a better word. These

1091
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: guys get into football shape. These other players have been

1092
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: in this system for ten months, ten weeks during the

1093
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: off season program. He's gonna learn everything like as everyone

1094
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: else is doing this an accelerate away because they've seen

1095
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: it twice already. He's doing it for the first time,

1096
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be an adjustment for him too. Um so.

1097
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: And they're in the Mid American Conference, by the way,

1098
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: the Western Michigan. So I think all those are fair points.

1099
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: And I think I think people need to temper their

1100
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: immediate expectations a little bit. It might take a little

1101
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: time for him to get everything together, understand everything and

1102
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: be able to contribute at a high level. And I

1103
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: like him as a player too, but I think you

1104
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: have to be patient. He's got a skill set. But

1105
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: as we talked about, and I don't remember, did I

1106
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: do the show? I did the show with Lance. I

1107
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: guess the day of the draft, right, you did the

1108
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: show with me afterwards? No, that was me and you?

1109
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: What was me and you? When we had led her

1110
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: on talking about Biel correct and and folks. I tried

1111
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: to really put the brakes on that whole thing. If

1112
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: you recall doing that show, and it's on the archive,

1113
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: and there's a proud as good to report on on

1114
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: a scouting perspective from Ledyard as you're gonna get on

1115
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: the player. And then John had two of the coaches

1116
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: on last week. You said, coach Okay, so there's plenty

1117
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: of information for you to go back and listen to.

1118
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: I think all I tried to do going into the draft,

1119
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: not knowing if the Giants were going to take him

1120
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: or not, was to say, you have a skilled player,

1121
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: a talented player, but one that is gonna need polish.

1122
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna need maturity, he's gonna need development. And hold

1123
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: your horses if you think he's a plug and play

1124
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: guy week one against Jacksonville, because he's not the one

1125
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: thing that will make you feel a little bit better

1126
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: about it. And then we talked to the head coach.

1127
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: He said, look, he played for US at like one

1128
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: nine last year, the whole year, and he thinks he

1129
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: maybe got really nervous a couple of days leading up

1130
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: to the pro day, so he drops some weight. He

1131
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: doesn't think you'll have any issue getting up to That

1132
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: would make me feel somewhat better. So I thought that

1133
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: might be might make you feel a bit better about

1134
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Let's see what the coach Weilman is able to do

1135
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: to him when he gets here. On three, we have

1136
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes to go. Let's squeeze in our

1137
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: final two callers, Jose and Orlando was a guy who

1138
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: called in the earliest. We'll go to him first. What's up, Jose, Hey, John,

1139
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: and Paul. How are you guys? A long time listener,

1140
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: first time caller. I really enjoy the conversations. You guys

1141
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: have really insightful information. H Down here in Orlando, Florida

1142
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: is kind of like New York's out. That's where all

1143
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: the New York has moved down after a while. Giants

1144
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: fans for life. But I have a quick scenario, and

1145
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: I know I don't have a lot of time. Maybe

1146
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll call you guys another day. But listening to what

1147
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: Charlie said about R. J McIntosh, I'll tell you if

1148
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: this kid gets over his illness, Um, he has a

1149
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: lot of upside. His first move in the A gap

1150
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: is incredible, as his ability to get skinny and get

1151
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: in the backfield is incredible. I've seen a lot of

1152
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: film on him. Um, But I just have a quick

1153
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: little scenario as far as Dave Gentleman, what he's looking for.

1154
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I love Dave Gentleman. I love that

1155
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: we hired him as a GM, his personality. I just

1156
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: wish him the best of health. Was his plight and

1157
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: if you guys see him, tell him the Giants fans

1158
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: were rooting for him, man all the way. Uh. One

1159
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: of the things that I was, you know, the conversation

1160
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: when Bez came out and everyone's thinking about signing him

1161
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: and all that, and does Bryant, Yeah, he's he's he's

1162
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: a good guy, like for jump ball scenarios, but his

1163
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: route tree is is a little suspect, you know, him

1164
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: him against the two or three receiver. I mean two

1165
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: or three corner would be great. But I think Dave

1166
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: is waiting for possibly maybe getting uh see if anyone

1167
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: gets cut, like a veteran tackle, like a right tackle,

1168
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: or maybe a veteran defensive end like an edge rusher

1169
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: to help with that defense is something that we might help.

1170
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: I know, Charlie goes off on Eric Flowers. Um, I'll

1171
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: tell you what I've been pulling Ferry Flaws. I know

1172
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: he's he's a lot of Giant fans hate to hear this,

1173
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: but when you know it's it's not easy to do

1174
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: what he does, you know, going from where he was

1175
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: where he wanted to be until our left tackle got

1176
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: hurt and he had to jump in there. But I

1177
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: honestly think it's gonna be extremely challenging for him on

1178
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the right side, going from left to right. Uh, he

1179
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: has seen a lot of film on him. He drops

1180
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: his head sometimes, his speech is just he doesn't anchor

1181
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: down that well and changing it on. I mean, I'm

1182
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: pulling for him because you know he's a young guy still.

1183
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: So you never want to see someone you know lose

1184
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: their dream job. But you know I am pulling from

1185
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: so I think that's one of the reasons why you

1186
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: guys can elaborate offering up. Is that maybe why Dave

1187
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: Gentleman hasn't either maybe pulls the trigger on on Dez

1188
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: because of the Lattimore still there too. Um, but don't

1189
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: you think you know Dez Bryant. If the Giants had

1190
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity of let's say they solidify a tackle or

1191
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: defensive end their defense and their offensive line is running

1192
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: well as far as picking up maybe Dez as far

1193
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: as like a third or fourth receiver, imagine that with

1194
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: all the receivers that we have him in the end zone.

1195
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: Just jump all it all right, Um, rapid fire, Jose,

1196
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: you you hit, you hit a bunch of different things.

1197
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll try to get to all of them real quick

1198
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: and thanks again for the call. We appreciate it. Um.

1199
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: First things first, on the type of player they'll be

1200
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: looking for in the waiver wire, I think you hit

1201
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: it on the head. Pass rusher and offensive tackle will

1202
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: be too. They'll be looking for depth at those spots,

1203
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: and I think that the cornerback will be the third

1204
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: spot they've been looking for. In terms of that, In

1205
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: terms of Das guys, I've been saying it since the beginning.

1206
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't see a fit. Um. You have enough trouble

1207
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: getting the ball around everybody already on the roster. Um.

1208
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: We all saw how Dez Brian acted in Dallas when

1209
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: he didn't get the football. He often was not pleased.

1210
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: How he would like being a fourth or fifth option

1211
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: if you include Sae Kwon Barkley into the mix with

1212
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: the Giants. I worry about that. I think it's a

1213
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: legitimate concern. And frankly, he wasn't a productive player that

1214
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: got open last year. Um, he's kitting thirty. He's getting

1215
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: close to that. You know about the off the field

1216
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: stuff with him, So I think put all that together

1217
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: the way Dave Gettleman show to reworked his locker room.

1218
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: Paul to me, I just don't see a fit that

1219
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: that car has got a lot of miles on it,

1220
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: John does, and a lot of foot injuries, a lot

1221
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: of miles, no separation. You know, he's he's got one

1222
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: half of a flat tire at least, and that's problem.

1223
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, you didn't see anybody jump after him,

1224
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: did you. No? And well he should have signed with

1225
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: the Ravens if he knew it was good for him.

1226
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: That was the one thing that did and he passed

1227
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: on it, you know, obviously didn't jump high enough because

1228
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: he didn't like the deal with three or four year deal. Anyway, Yeah,

1229
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: Scott in New Mexico. He's up next. Hey, Scott, final

1230
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: call on the show. Hi guys, Hi, Even though I

1231
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: don't have Mount Rushmore status, Paul, You've given me something

1232
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: to strive for. I really screwed this out in that

1233
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: unless the top of the Empire State Building is available,

1234
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: and I'll take that instead, Okay, I want to push

1235
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: Paul off the top of the Empire might. As far

1236
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: as the Giants are concerned in the evaluating evaluation process

1237
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: of training camp, right now, of the starting twenty two

1238
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: players that they're going to have, I see only four

1239
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: positions that are up for grab, so to speak, John

1240
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: you addressed earlier right tackle, center on the offensive line

1241
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: might be an issue, and on the defense, uh, free

1242
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: safety and the the slot quarter. So I had my

1243
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: own feelings of who I think i'd like to see

1244
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: in those positions, and I was wondering if I'm missing anyone,

1245
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: if there's anyone up for grabs. On the starting the backups,

1246
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: I would say sub package. Second linebacker, who would be

1247
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: out there with Ogal Tree? I think they wanted to

1248
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: be b J. Goodson, but I don't know if they're

1249
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: sure about that yet. So the second nickel linebacker, um,

1250
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm not positive. The three defensive lineman and baser set.

1251
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: The two guys next to Harrison, I think Tomins is

1252
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: definitely one. I think b J. Hill is the second guy.

1253
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's in Stone or not, but

1254
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: I think you pretty much had everything else. Yeah, and

1255
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree, I'm not sure right now who

1256
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: the third receiver is. I think it's gonna be Latimer,

1257
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know for sure. And Unter Sharp was

1258
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: in the mix. There a lot in the in the spring,

1259
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, so that that's kind of open and I

1260
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: think the other thing is and I know you didn't

1261
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: want to get to this part of the deal, but

1262
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who the punt is gonna be, who

1263
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: the kicker is gonna be, and I'm not sure who

1264
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: the return guy is gonna be a good point to.

1265
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I got guys who maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a leg up, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get Scott. We gotta run power over the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Ben Grill wants an off and

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Speaker 1: from Washington, DC is on your amount rushmore. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember a head? I do? Yeah, Well, Paul Leo's put

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Speaker 1: eight people that lads hates on his round much for

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Speaker 1: it will be perfect if we put a ad on

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Speaker 1: Dave uh And by the way, just real quick, James

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Speaker 1: Jones on Twitter, I promise I get to a Twitter question. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you think stam Beale is guaranteed a roster spot?

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Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to imagine he doesn't get a roster

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Speaker 1: spot unless he gets hurt and goes I R. How

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Speaker 1: are you going to release the guy you after you

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Speaker 1: spend a third round pick on you never get him

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Speaker 1: onto the practice squad? Of course, not injured reserve would

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Speaker 1: be the only way he's not on the active barring

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Speaker 1: something crazy happening. Round pick, you know he's gonna be here. Great,

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Speaker 1: and then you didn't never tell anybody that drawn the

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Speaker 1: team no matter what. But have you ever seen a

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Speaker 1: third round pick and not be on the opening day roster.

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Speaker 1: Giants had a linebacker named Greg Mark out of the

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Speaker 1: University of Miami when Parcels was here. He was a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle and they they drafted him, I believe he

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Speaker 1: was the third round and and they converted him into linebacker,

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Speaker 1: and uh, he didn't make it through his first camp. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. It was a little

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Speaker 1: surprised if we saw that again. Thank you, ball all right, John,

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Speaker 1: very good. All right, Tomorrow, Paul and I have a

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Speaker 1: we're out of an assignment tomorrow afternoon, so we have

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Speaker 1: Lands and Fiegel's handling the show that me and fiegls

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday when the players report. Stay tuned. The Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com will have some coverage of practice as well

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Speaker 1: over the next couple of days. Let me just throw

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Speaker 1: it out in he was a third round pick in

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Speaker 1: n Greg Mark. Yeah, that's the highest Giants draft pick

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Speaker 1: that I ever remember flaming out so quickly and before

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Speaker 1: we say goodbye, I'm happy you brought up nineteen nine.

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Speaker 1: Is it made me think? We want to send out

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Speaker 1: our condolences to Ernie Palladino's family, A good friend of ours,

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Speaker 1: Ernie who covered the Giants beat Ernesto, good guy, covered

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Speaker 1: the Giants beat for a long time. Um lost his

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Speaker 1: battle with cancer over the weekend and uh rest in peace, Ernie.

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Speaker 1: We love you, great guy, and condoles this to him,

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Speaker 1: his family and all his friends. For Paulatino and John Schmunk,

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Speaker 1: that's a big book. Kick Golf Live. We'll see tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day.