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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's and then in a big blue kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on giants dot com. It is all presented

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Speaker 1: by corps like Glad to have your board to zero

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. You could also interact

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Speaker 1: with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. He is Jeff Eagels.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Will tackle an awful lot over this

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Speaker 1: next hour. Yesterday, Jeff John and I got into on

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com. They have the divisional rankings and they

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Speaker 1: broke down which divisions they think have more upside than

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Speaker 1: the others. So we tackled a lot of the NFC.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts and maybe we'll get a little

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Speaker 1: bit more into the a f C and also quarterback

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Speaker 1: depth charts, specifically in the NFC East. Josh McCown retired

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, who was in the league for seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: So this is the time of the year where you

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Speaker 1: look at depth charts across the board. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's ever enough talk about the backup quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: which are in better shape than others. By the way,

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Speaker 1: who brought this up? I brought this up? You can

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Speaker 1: blame me. Yes, I wanna blame you. Well, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about backup quarterbacks. That's a great thing. Anything else going

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Speaker 1: on in the National Football League? Do you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about backup quarterbacks? You no wonder why? You know

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Speaker 1: the show is always off to a good start. Well,

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Speaker 1: one of the co host is pooh pooing on one

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Speaker 1: of the subjects. I guess we'll start with the divisional

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Speaker 1: breakdown because you could tell Jeff's excitement to sue the

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Speaker 1: roof when it comes to backup quarterbacks. Later on, By

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Speaker 1: the way, we'll get to backup kickers and punters. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there are not that's why. Yes, the imaginary depth dard,

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Speaker 1: but you need them, by the way, and it is

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Speaker 1: and as much as we do make fun of it,

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Speaker 1: it is an important it's a it's important because they're

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Speaker 1: one play away from getting in there, and whether a

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Speaker 1: team wants to go with a rookie or an inexperienced

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Speaker 1: guy or like you said, at Josh McCown, who has

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Speaker 1: spent seventeen years in the league as basically a backup quarterback. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he might have started a few games

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Speaker 1: here and there, but the fact is that they are important,

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Speaker 1: So him being out of the league. You've got Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: who's um, what's it not Fitzgerald, I mean Fitzpatrick. Who

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Speaker 1: is you know the other guy that's gonna be Will.

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Speaker 1: That would be interesting to see what happens down there.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that you do need them, and

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Speaker 1: so it is. I guess it is a relative point

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Speaker 1: to talk about him a little bit. I don't know

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Speaker 1: a lot of the names. I'm sure if once we

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Speaker 1: if we went through him, we would recognize some of them.

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Speaker 1: What I have on the computer screen an entire breakdown

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Speaker 1: just for you. By the way, Lance is a tremendous

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Speaker 1: at his preparation and his numbers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: He's not married, he lives alone, he has no dogs.

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Speaker 1: He works, he has a lot of time to do

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Speaker 1: all this. You see you later. But more importantly, he's

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Speaker 1: my man, he's my partner. We are the guys during

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Speaker 1: the season. So I just love what he does. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not knocking it as I'm actually actually it actually

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Speaker 1: is is very important because he makes my job a

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Speaker 1: lot easier during the season, and of course makes our

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Speaker 1: jobs a lot easier during the off season when he's

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Speaker 1: able to go and look at all. Because this is

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Speaker 1: your writing. I know that you type this stuff in

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Speaker 1: here absolutely now. In fairness, this was related to somewhat

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Speaker 1: that I was talking about just out on Serious X

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Speaker 1: and NFL Radio, because I ran from literally he did

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Speaker 1: run in the door, which I said to to Lance,

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Speaker 1: you know, because Lance is always early. He's always early,

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Speaker 1: he's there on time. And I got here. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: early most of the time. And I got here and

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Speaker 1: Lance was in here. I was like, Okay, he's either

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom or stuffing, but I didn't see his computer,

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Speaker 1: and that was a dead gibb. Right, yeah, that's and

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Speaker 1: then here comes running in and I've never seen Lance

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Speaker 1: running to a show before. Well, normally to your point,

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Speaker 1: I've already settled in. This was a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: We were running up against the clock. But when you

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Speaker 1: look at the NFC East, because I think that's what

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Speaker 1: fans are most interested in compared to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the NFL landscape, You've got the Redskins and the Giants

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Speaker 1: who are preparing and grooming first round picks, and one

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Speaker 1: all likelihood, Dwayne Haskins more so than Daniel Jones. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see because Interestingly, by the way, connected to the Redskins,

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Speaker 1: there is reports out there that Eric Flowers, by the way,

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Speaker 1: time will certainly tell, but they're in a position because

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Speaker 1: or he wants more money. Read into the speculation as

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Speaker 1: you wish, But can you imagine, Jeff, if Washington has

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Speaker 1: a new position, and you put in Dwayne Haskins behind them. Good. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles will certainly not

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Speaker 1: I think any team wants to be put in, especially

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't have the technique, he doesn't have the world.

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Speaker 1: so who's a backup down there? So give me some

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt to see if case Keenum beat out

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Speaker 1: summed it up right on point, Jeff, I think that

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Speaker 1: not debate. We know the roles. It's more of development

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Speaker 1: at all, not at all. So Cole McCoy case Keenum,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have some veteran quarterbacks out there that teams

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Speaker 1: a lot worse than Cole McCoy is your backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It was more than serviceable. I mean I remember him

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Speaker 1: He's definitely a serviceable quarterback. UM backup guy that gets

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what the veteran backup is all about.

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Speaker 1: a veteran backup. That's why Alex Tanney's here. Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: Case Keenum would be here because he has some experience

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Speaker 1: he's not. He's gonna be a tough go and then

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Speaker 1: you just hope that he can kind of carry on

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Speaker 1: like Eli did and just do half of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that Eli did because it is a tough position to play.

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Speaker 1: It is. That's well again, that's why you make all

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Speaker 1: the money. The quarterbacks make all the money in this league.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason why two zero one five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Hashtag Giants Chat sending your

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Speaker 1: tweets will mix those in as we make our way

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Speaker 1: to one pm Eastern. Let's open up the phone lines

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Speaker 1: now we check in with Easton, who is in Maine Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. Hey guys, how you

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Speaker 1: doing today? What's happening? Not too much, hey, just wondering

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Speaker 1: if you guys, uh last you know who's still available

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Speaker 1: for free agents? For uh uh, the defensive line? If

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Speaker 1: there's anybody out there that you guys think might be

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Speaker 1: able to help the giants out. Well, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this first and I'll look it up, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know everybody off the time behaf and certainly

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Speaker 1: if you're expected to grab a playmaker at that position,

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Speaker 1: I think that may be wishful thinking. But my follow

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Speaker 1: up question Easton is why do you feel that you

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Speaker 1: want to go out and grab a veteran free agent

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Speaker 1: who may not have a lot of gas in the

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Speaker 1: tank as opposed to just continue to develop what's currently

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Speaker 1: on the roster. Right, you know, it was just more

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Speaker 1: of a curiosity, I got you. I guess anything else? Now?

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Speaker 1: Are you just that curiosity you're referring to is a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle or defensive end? That is what your priority

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Speaker 1: is when it comes to free agency. Yeah, more of

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Pass rusher. So that's what you're looking for,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna bring up the list. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you know if there's anybody that jumps off the page. Here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the list, Jeff. I'll even bring it

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Speaker 1: up for you. If there's any name then jump out

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Speaker 1: to you. Well, there you go. If we're looking for

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Speaker 1: some Giants connections, Jihad Ward is somebody that has been

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Speaker 1: with a few teams, the Raiders and the Colts. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's somebody that you know, if he doesn't get signed,

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe somebody you want to look at

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Speaker 1: Derek Shelby Falcons and the Dolphins throughout his career. That

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Speaker 1: would be another name. Dion Jordan's high pick for the

467
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Speaker 1: Dolphins with the Seahawks most recently, Cody Heally, Frosty Rucker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's guys that have been with a few teams.

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Speaker 1: To answer your question, Easton, do I think they're difference makers? No.

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Speaker 1: I would say if you were a GM and you

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Speaker 1: looked at this list, Jeff, and then you looked at

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Speaker 1: what's currently on your roster, my priority would be I

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Speaker 1: want to see what Marcus Golden brings me. I want

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Speaker 1: to develop Lorenz O'Connor. I want to see what O'Shane

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Speaker 1: zimm and as I'd rather give them the reps in

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Speaker 1: training camp in the preseason. Jeff, then roll the dice

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Speaker 1: with an addition of veteran here, and I think you're

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Speaker 1: building depth. I think your question is gonna be build

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Speaker 1: some depth maybe, But the answer is that what Land said,

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Speaker 1: you gotta work with the guys you have here, because

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Speaker 1: obviously they believe in the guys that are here. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason why a lot of these guys that are

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Speaker 1: still on the street aren't signed yet. Okay, yeah. My

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Speaker 1: other question too, was just more about Marcus Golden. Haven't

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Speaker 1: heard much too much about him. I'm wondering, do you

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Speaker 1: guys think that he could possibly be a guy that

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Speaker 1: could be their number one pass rusher? Absolutely, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the guy was really good two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I know Lanser you know the stats probably better

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Speaker 1: than I do. But he had double do he had

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Speaker 1: double two and a half sacks, and then he got

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Speaker 1: hurt and had an a c L. So last year

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Speaker 1: he you know, he was building that back and they

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Speaker 1: say that an a c L injury. You kind of

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Speaker 1: come back the second year after the original injuries, really

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Speaker 1: when you start to play a little bit better. So

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants are looking for that kind of production.

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Speaker 1: Plus you're getting a guy that's played in Betcher's defense before,

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Speaker 1: so that's another plus. Um. But the answer to your

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Speaker 1: question is absolutely yes, he could be your guy. And

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Speaker 1: what I would what I would add to that, Eastern,

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Speaker 1: is they need him to be the guy, especially with

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Speaker 1: a lot of young and unproven commodities. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: refreshing would it be. And appreciate the phone call, East,

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Speaker 1: and thanks so much for reason and you summarized his

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Speaker 1: outlook right on point there, Jeff. He got hurt in

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Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. Earlier in the season two thousand six

508
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Speaker 1: team was the breakout year twelve and a half sacks,

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Speaker 1: so last year was his first full year back. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, sometimes it takes that second year until

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Speaker 1: you get your legs fully under you. So this is

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Speaker 1: the year that you would pinpoint, Okay, maybe he can

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Speaker 1: tap back in to that two thousand sixteen production. But

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Speaker 1: the reason why I say, and I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: it only has to come from him, I look at

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Speaker 1: it more of a team effort. But Lorenzo Carter's only

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Speaker 1: entering year to Jeff okay, so how much of a

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Speaker 1: significant jump is he going to make? I think expectations

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Speaker 1: need to be realistic. Oh, Shane Zimmenez has yet to

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Speaker 1: play one NFL snap Okay, So Golden is not just

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Speaker 1: bringing the upside, He's bringing a bulk of the experience too.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget about that. And as you mentioned, familiarity

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Speaker 1: with the scheme. So as he's trying to break back out,

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Speaker 1: he also at least is going back into a system

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Speaker 1: where he had his top season. But I think that

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter can also have a breakout season this year too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you learn, you have experience in your rookie year,

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Speaker 1: you get a lot of stuff thrown at you, um

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Speaker 1: and then you get a chance to add the season

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Speaker 1: is over, to reflect on that and get and try

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Speaker 1: to attack things that you want to get better at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that James Betcher has had this conversation with

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Speaker 1: him Lorenzo Carter many times. And listen, this is you're

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Speaker 1: out of position here. You need to do this, this

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Speaker 1: and this and these are the things where I want

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Speaker 1: you to improve on um, you know, is it get

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Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, UM in the weight room, is

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Speaker 1: it get stronger, is it you need to play this

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Speaker 1: technique a little bit better than you did last year.

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Speaker 1: These are all things that he's gonna build upon and

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Speaker 1: start to work on these in training camp in preseason.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a big year out of him. I

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Speaker 1: really am. Okay, not not. Let's say that he's going

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Speaker 1: to lead the team in sacks. I kinda If he does,

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Speaker 1: that's great, But I think he has the propensity to

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Speaker 1: really have a breakout year here in his second year. Now,

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Speaker 1: second years are usually there. Sometimes there's sophomore slumps or

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Speaker 1: for a reason, But I don't think the game is

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Speaker 1: Remember where he came from. We said this last year

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Speaker 1: is a rookie that the game isn't too big for

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter coming out of the Southeast Conference at Georgia.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that the sophomore slump is going

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Speaker 1: to hit him like it would somebody else that didn't

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Speaker 1: you know. But I know that the guys are very

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Speaker 1: mature individual I'm very impressed with him, and I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for a nice season out of him well, and the

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Speaker 1: other thing related to that, Jeff is Carter. They moved

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Speaker 1: along slowly. It wasn't as if he was just right

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Speaker 1: into the mix. So that's why I would agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's the concern about the sophomore slump because,

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Speaker 1: if anything, they were slowly tapping into his potential late

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Speaker 1: last season the San Francisco game, if you remember, and

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Speaker 1: he was asked to cover the running back off the

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Speaker 1: wheel route and did a really good job in coverage

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Speaker 1: down the field. So that was when you started to

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Speaker 1: see them expanding his usage. So if they were doing

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Speaker 1: that towards the second half of the season, it's almost

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Speaker 1: like the first few games that this year is the

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Speaker 1: true second half of his rookie campaign. Yeah, it could be. UM.

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Speaker 1: Familiarity with the off, with the defense is going to

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Speaker 1: help him. UM, the speed of the game, he now

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Speaker 1: understands it a little bit better, and UM, for any

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Speaker 1: player for that matter, the second year is a lot easier. UM.

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Speaker 1: You kind of understand, especially when you've been in a

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Speaker 1: system and you're in the same coaching staff is still here, UM,

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Speaker 1: And when you look at winning teams over the years,

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Speaker 1: the staffs stick together and the players kind of stick

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Speaker 1: that that's that's the that's the developmental of a winning

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Speaker 1: football team going forward, is to try to keep the

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Speaker 1: attrition down and keeping the guys in the same system

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Speaker 1: playing along. Not to say, I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different people in this defense this year, but some

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Speaker 1: of the core guys are still here, which is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, because that's why James Betterer is hoping

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Speaker 1: everything they gained last year now they're building off of it,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to at this time last year, Jeff, they

587
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Speaker 1: were starting from scratch. You had a few guys that

588
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Speaker 1: knew Petcher Kareem Martin. But now you figure everybody's at

589
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Speaker 1: the same level of a Kareem Martin, and now you

590
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Speaker 1: throw in Antoine Bithet and Marcus Golden and Olson Pierre,

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Speaker 1: and you figure, okay, can that take the defense to

592
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Speaker 1: new heights. I mean, that's at least what they're banking on.

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Speaker 1: But Golden and Carter, I agree with you, those are

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Speaker 1: the X factors. It's going to be very telling what

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Speaker 1: they do to determine exactly how far this defense is

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Speaker 1: gonna go this season, no question, And I think you

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Speaker 1: know you throw in Jabirol Peppers in the mix here too.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, he's a very athletic Landing Collins if

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Speaker 1: you will, you know they're both good tacklers. They're both

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Speaker 1: very physical football players. Um Jabirol Peppers brings a little

601
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Speaker 1: different element. He's a little more he's a little more athletic. Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: he has ball hawking skills that are better than Landing Collins.

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Speaker 1: And he also brings you a special teams component that

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Speaker 1: he's going to be your point returner. Um. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's a plus. And but you add him into the

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Speaker 1: to the leadership, uh point. As far as being on

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Speaker 1: the defense, it's another guy that's he's a leader on

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Speaker 1: the field. He will be. He's a young guy. He's

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Speaker 1: not afraid to stick his head in there and have

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Speaker 1: people look up to him and be a leader. Two

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Speaker 1: zero one four or five one three is the telephone

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Speaker 1: number of hashtag giants chat on Twitter. For those of

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Speaker 1: you who can't get in via the phones, We'll try

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Speaker 1: to get to as many tweets as we can, so

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00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: continue to send them in. But right now, let's head

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Speaker 1: back to the lines and let's check in with Lenn

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Speaker 1: in Columbia, Maryland. Len, what's happening Hi? Then? Hey, guys, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how you doing. Um, Hey, the Eric the Eric Flower's

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Speaker 1: situation down here in the Washington area. There was a

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Speaker 1: story this morning about the offensive line coach saying that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he you know, he might work out at

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Speaker 1: at you know, at the guard position, Jeff. They actually

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Speaker 1: did tryumph for a week during O t A's at

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Speaker 1: tackle and gave up pretty quickly and quickly quickly moved

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Speaker 1: him over to the guard position. But you know, and

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Speaker 1: you both of you were talking about the situation that

627
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Speaker 1: the Ridskins are in with that offensive line, with Williams

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Speaker 1: holding out and the possibility of Eric Flower's being being

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Speaker 1: a guard left guard. They also have a problem at center.

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Speaker 1: They're not They're not very confident in their starting center

631
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Speaker 1: from last year either, So that that offensive line, particularly

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Speaker 1: on the left side and with the center position, could

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Speaker 1: really could really be a problem for the Redskins. I

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Speaker 1: I I could see them searching the waiver wire pretty

635
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Speaker 1: pretty widely as cuts start to happen. Well, their center

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Speaker 1: is and and even a possible trade yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Their center is Chase Roulier, who's a young guy who's

638
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: banged up last year. So I mean I would just

639
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: argue there's just not a big sample size of his

640
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: play out there. I can understand that maybe the jury

641
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: is still out. I believe Tony Brookstrom still on the

642
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: roster two is a veteran center slash guard who they

643
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: threw in last year because of injuries. So I agree

644
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: with you Len from this damdpoint. I'm not as overly concerned,

645
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: maybe as the chatter is down there about the center position.

646
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: But if that left side it doesn't have Trent Williams. Listen,

647
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: it's bad enough that Trent Williams is gonna have to

648
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: line up next to Eric Flowers, and that's going to

649
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: change the dynamics for Trent Williams, because remember, you go

650
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: from playing next to a veteran left guard somebody familiar

651
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: to now a new face who also is moving to

652
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: a new position. But if Williams is not there on

653
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: top of that, and they gotta throw a young guy

654
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: who they drafted out of Louisville who's the backup left tackle, yeah,

655
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: that could be a very interesting season in Washington. Yeah. Yeah,

656
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure what what Williams is

657
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: doing it unless he's just you know, he's talking loudly

658
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: and trying to save himself with that, with the neat

659
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: problems that he's said over the years. But it's it's

660
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: it really is kind of a strange situation. I'm you know,

661
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why he's not there. Um, you know, Jeff,

662
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about second string quarterbacks. I hope you can

663
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: hang with me on this. I'm I'm going to throw

664
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Speaker 1: out a couple of names that I have talked to

665
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Lance about quite a while ago, back in February, who

666
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: are actually third string quarterbacks who when I saw them

667
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: play during the preseason against preseason I thought they played

668
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: pretty well. And one is the guy up in up

669
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: in New England at Link who at the end of

670
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: the preseason played against US and did very well at

671
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, I met life in that last preseason game.

672
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: And Minnesota has a guy who they're really very high on,

673
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: a guy named Sloater s l O t e. R.

674
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I think these guys are going to hang around the

675
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: NFL for a while. They may not be long time starters,

676
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: but I think we're if we have this conversation three

677
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: or four years from now, I think, I hope, I

678
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: think those two guys are going to be at least

679
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: in that backup, backup category. I think both those guys

680
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: can play. And I'm not sure there are ninety six

681
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: guys who can play quarterback in the NFL. That's how

682
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: many will probably make rosters. But I think these two

683
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: guys have it, have a shot. Lance A question on

684
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks and even third string quarterbacks not thrown out

685
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: any name. So though some names may surface here, Um,

686
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks have to fit a system, don't they. I mean,

687
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: what makes them attractive perhaps with a particular team, is

688
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: the fact that they can handle a particular system. What

689
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is with the Ravens, you know, with

690
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Jackson now starting their their backup quarterback is Griffin, who

691
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: is the same kind of player, and even the third

692
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: string quarterback is the court is States, also a mobile

693
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: convent State who also fits perhaps fits into that same category.

694
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Speaker 1: So is that and is that an accurate statement that

695
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: these you know, they may be in their position with

696
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: this team because they fit a particular system. Sure, I

697
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: mean yeah, it has to be. I mean, listen, you're

698
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna come out and for some

699
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: reason your first two quarterbacks to go down. I'll give

700
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: you the Baltimore example, and Trace McSorley is your guy now,

701
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: and he's a pure pocket passer. You've basically eliminated most

702
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: of your playbook now being able to run a place.

703
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So you want to have some similarities. You want to

704
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: have some similarities. I mean that that's that's probably the

705
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: easiest example that we could have, Stiff, but would just

706
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: say the same thing about um, you know other quarterbacks

707
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: and other franchises. I mean, they pretty much look at Dallas, yeah,

708
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean the coaches are confident that they could fit

709
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: their system. Phil You know well that that would be

710
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: a wasted roster spot if you don't have confidence that

711
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: the guy could come in and at least run your system.

712
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: But I think there's exceptions to the rule because I think,

713
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: for example, you'll bring in a quarterback, Jeff, and you've

714
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: probably seen this more often than anybody else, considering all

715
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: the years you've been in the league of the teams

716
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: that if you just love a guy because he's been

717
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: with you in a previous stint right and knows the system.

718
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: He may not be a mobile quarterback, but you figure

719
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna at least help the starter in the quarterback room.

720
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: So you may bring him in for that sage. Sure, absolutely, yeah,

721
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's again, there's always implications. You know,

722
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: how much is he gonna cost him at the end

723
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: and things like that. But but the bottom line is,

724
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: if you have familiarity with the player and you feel

725
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: that he can help you more than on the field,

726
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: but capable of doing what he has to do on

727
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: the field, they need to bring him in. I mean,

728
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: I'll give you another example, Len, because like I said,

729
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Jeff and I were looking at a screen. I put

730
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Speaker 1: together a list of every single quarterback depth truck to

731
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Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Okay, Houston starts DeShawn Watson. Their backup quarterback

732
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: is a j mccarroen, who I think is a solid

733
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. He was banged up in Buffalo, he was

734
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: traded to Oakland. Now he's in Houston. But mccaren physically

735
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: can't do the same things that Watson can do from

736
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Speaker 1: a running standpoint. I mean, I I don't think they're

737
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: similar in that regard, But I think Bill O'Brien, the

738
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: head coach of the Texans, feels as if mccaren's got upside,

739
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: he can learn their system and in the event Watson

740
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: gets hurt, he'll be able to at least adapt to

741
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: what they need to be competitive and try to win games.

742
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me just let me just

743
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: one thing on that point. You have done, nderstand that

744
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: you as a as a head coach and as an

745
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that implements an offense into a system. Okay,

746
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: you have you have your you have your starter. Okay,

747
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: and I'm staying with staying with Houston. Deshaun Watson knows

748
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: how to run this offense and he's gonna have plays

749
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay that a J. McCarron just can't run. However, O'Brien

750
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: understands it. If he gets hurt, I know that a J.

751
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: McCarron can run this package in my offense. And so

752
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: there's your there's your there's your confidence level. It's not

753
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: the whole playbook, okay, but you look at all the

754
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: all the starters in the national Football again, the backups.

755
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: There's probably not many of them that can do exactly

756
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: what the starter is gonna be able to do. From

757
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: from a personnel standpoint, They're not all alike, but they

758
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: all have some similarities. So your confidence has to be there.

759
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to add that that the bulk of

760
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: the plays the back. That's not necessarily everything, but the bulk. Yeah.

761
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: Another point on mccaren. He reminds me he's a pretty

762
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He reminds me of a guy who if

763
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation five years from now, his name

764
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: is gonna come up. I mean, he's still going to

765
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: be around. I think this is a guy who who

766
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, who is really good enough and I mean

767
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: that positively to hang around this league for ten years,

768
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: no question. I just you know he's got that quality. Hey, Jeff,

769
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a question about the

770
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: specialists on the team. Are you are you comfortable where

771
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: we are to? Okay, okay, let me let me ask

772
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: you a question about the ass um when when when

773
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: you when you kicked in O seven, you you were

774
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: there were there were really two long snappers, weren't there?

775
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: And a short snapper? Ok okay, okay, that's a good

776
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: way to look at it now. And the the um

777
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman was the which which one was he? Jeff?

778
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: It was hello? Um? He had Zach that was doing

779
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: the long snapping, okay, and you had um the defense

780
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: tackle he works in the building for God's sakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

781
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: you know it starts with an a. I can't pull

782
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: back his name, but he was pretty good and I

783
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: don't think or something. But but the other thing with him,

784
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: And I know, Jeff, you will remember this because you

785
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: actually out on the field. Man he made that sack

786
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: of Brady in the fourth quarter with the clock winding down.

787
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I cannot believe remember his name. Yea man that was.

788
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: That was a huge defensive play. Let me tell you

789
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: something about Jay Alford. And you didn't know, but I

790
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: I found out very quickly. Zach Deossi is right handed

791
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: and Jay Alford was left handed. Man. Yeah, yeah, so

792
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I would I would equate it to maybe catching with

793
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: a catcher in baseball that's a right hander and a

794
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: left hander. Okay, the picture is going to figure that

795
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: out sooner or later quickly. Well, snapping is the same thing.

796
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I remember when Jay first got here and we were

797
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: in minicamp, the veteran mini camp, when and he was

798
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I was taking snaps from him, and there was something wrong.

799
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Long I just couldn't figure it out. And then finally

800
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: I realized, this son of a gun is left handed.

801
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: No wonder I can't catch this thing. I was dropping

802
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: the ball and it was crazy, it was. And I

803
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: said to him and said, listen, young guy. By the way,

804
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: you're not going to change the left handed, but take

805
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: a little of it off right. You're throwing the thing

806
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: back a hundred and fifty miles an hour and it's

807
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: left hand and I'm not gonna catch it. You're making

808
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: me look bad. Get out of here. Yeah, that's that's

809
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: an interesting trivia point. It is. And I'll tell you what.

810
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: And let me tell you. You have to get used

811
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: to them. You have to get used to it. As

812
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: long as she still gets the excitement of running down

813
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the field after he snaps the ball and trying to

814
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: get involved in punt coverage, which she is really pretty

815
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: good at. It has been for a number of years,

816
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: he could probably hang on to his job for quite

817
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: a long time. Well. The thing about that is that's

818
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: the truth. And Zach knows this because I've told him.

819
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: That's how I hung onto my job for so long.

820
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Is that you just never want to outprice yourself in

821
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: the market. Okay, don't get greedy. You know, if you've

822
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: got a great position on the team and you and

823
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: play for fifteen twenty years and making the money. You're

824
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: doing it and you can still be productive because you

825
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: know this, Lenn, They're gonna keep the best guy, all right.

826
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Speaker 1: And the thing about Zach is that he has the intangibles.

827
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: He's a leader, he's a captain. The other thing is

828
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Speaker 1: that he does make tackles. Like you said, I mean,

829
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: that guy is all over to football, you know, so

830
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: he's a round the ball, round the ball. Hey, guys,

831
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: thanks appreciate. I always picture Lynn like when he's on

832
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: on with us, and he said, when he's gonna go himself,

833
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I figured that Len's gotta like go more the lawn

834
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: or something, you know, after he sits in the rocking chair.

835
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: We've heard that Dolos before, by the way, up and down.

836
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: So no, always good points, always very good points. Lynn,

837
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Thank you well. And just a quick side note. He

838
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: brought up a J mccaren. McCarron. Remember starting a playoff

839
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: game when Andy Dalton got hurt a few years ago

840
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati and they nearly won that game if it

841
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: wasn't for Avante's perfect penalty. If you remember when he

842
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: hit Antonio Brown. He gets penalties, that guy. Yeah, the

843
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: last time I checked. I think he does get a penalty,

844
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: and he's still getting penalty. And by the way, he's

845
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: now on the Oakland Raiders and he's penalties. But anyway,

846
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: getting back to the point. So mccaren, to me, it's

847
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: just it's the perfect example of in the NFL, it's

848
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: all about timing, it's all about your situation. And mccaren,

849
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: unfortune was playing behind Andy Dalton. The team was consistently

850
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: going through the playoffs, and mccaren then was initially a

851
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. They awarded him unrestricted free agency. Remember,

852
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: he got caught up in the trade thing, didn't They

853
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: got the Cleveland was gonna trade for him, correct because

854
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: you Jackson who was with him, And since he went

855
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, that didn't come to fruition. So he became

856
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: a free agent. He signed with Buffalo, and even before

857
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: Buffalo drafted Josh Allen, I always thought, Listen though, draft Allen,

858
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: but mccaren is gonna be the guy in place. And

859
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: what happens, mccaren gets hurt, Allen is impressive, and Alan

860
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: takes the starting job and they ship him off to Oakland.

861
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: So to me, it's not as if mccaren is not

862
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: good it's just I mean, look at what I just

863
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: went through, look at what's happened since he left Cincinnati.

864
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: It's just it hasn't been good timing, hasn't been a

865
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: good situation. Now he's in Houston where, yes he has

866
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: Watson ahead of him, but you know, if maybe that

867
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: opportunity presents himself where you get a spots start or two,

868
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: maybe he auditions again for another team that is willing

869
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: to bring him in to compete for the actual starting job.

870
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because there's a lot of guys that

871
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: are the benefactors of good timing, and there's a lot

872
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: of guys that aren't. And I think that A J. McCarron,

873
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: I think Colte McCoy is another guy that's probably has

874
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: just had some bad timing that goes around. Um, you know,

875
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: the list goes on for these people. And then you

876
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: have the guys that are just perfect timing, you know,

877
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: like they just it's just falls in place for them.

878
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: And that's just at any position, it just works. And

879
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: part of being in the National Football League is all

880
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: about timing. I mean when I I when I made

881
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: the I made it as a free agent and undrafted

882
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: free agent because of the timing, Um did I? I?

883
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: Basically I was either a little bit better or just

884
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: as good as again in the incumbent that was there

885
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: in New England when I beat him out, But he

886
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: was making a lot of money, and at that time

887
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: that was a lot of money. Wasn't a lot of

888
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: money what in relatives speaking. But the fact is that

889
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: I'm talking about timing. They were waiting, they were wanted

890
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: doing a change in the guard basically, and um, that's

891
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: how you kind of make it. And some of these

892
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: guys get caught in that that Um that just they

893
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: make it because of that. It's timing. It's all about timing. Um,

894
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt and you and he and he gets

895
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: inserted into the starting lineup and the next thing you know,

896
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: he becomes a perennial All pro. You find it. You

897
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: see it all the time, these guys that are undrafted

898
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: and they just get an opportunity to play and next

899
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: thing you know, they're they're they're all of Fame players. Well,

900
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: I think Brady is a perfect example. I mean, a

901
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: late round pick and Bloodsoe gets hurt. That's right, opportunity

902
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: came and yeah, the rest is history and then then

903
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: then of course there's the other way around it, and

904
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: we've we've we saw it. I was on the team

905
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: when it happened, and it was here. When you have,

906
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, a future Hall of Famer as your quarterback

907
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: with a winning record with the Giants and then it's

908
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: replaced by your number one draft pick, it can happen

909
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: that way. But look what Kurt Warner did after that.

910
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean he left and it just went to it.

911
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: Took the Arizona Cardinals to a Super Bowl. Of all

912
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: the teams I whatever think they would go to a

913
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, wouldn't be them. But because of the environment,

914
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: the coaching, the Limons around him, Larry Fitzgerald, dan quand Bolden,

915
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity came about. Yeah. I mean that's what a

916
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: lot of football is all about, certainly. And funny because

917
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: Lenn brought up Danny Etling. We were talking about there

918
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: doing the Patriots, the reason why he is caught up

919
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: with lying and I remember he made that call that

920
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: he referenced to me maybe a few months ago February.

921
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: He said in February, Okay, he's still caught up in that.

922
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember what Danny Atling did this past preseason.

923
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: Remember when he rolled out and he ran for that

924
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: very long touchdown against the Giants Jeff and plus by

925
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the way, it was a fourth preseason game when there

926
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: was only I think there was only maybe eight people

927
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: on the field. And by the way, but Len mark

928
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: that down, I guarantee you in his notebook he's got

929
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: dannyling Well also also hold out and for seventy five yards.

930
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Watch out And how many how many first and second

931
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: team guys ever playing this fourth preseason game? Anyways? Yeah,

932
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: in fact, I don't if you know this, but one

933
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: year we played the Patriots. It was at at at

934
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: New England. Um. Bill Belichick had the first team and

935
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: second team, so we had we had forty four guys.

936
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: They came out on the field before and went through

937
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: a workout. Every one of them went back into the

938
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: locker room and on when they came out for pre

939
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: pre for pre game, there was only twenty two or

940
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: something guys left, none of them dressed. And it was

941
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the craziest thing because we're looking across the field and

942
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: you see the other guys, you know, they're just dressed

943
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: in street clothes and you know, workout stuff. But the

944
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: guys that are dressed for the game. It looked like

945
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: a peewee team. There was only like thirty guys out

946
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: there because he didn't want to risk place. So don't

947
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: put any much credence in a fourth preseason game. The

948
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: quarterback tearing it up. Well, that's why I've now I'm

949
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: not putting in bold Kyle Sloter's name, the other quarterback

950
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 1: that Lent brought up. I am not going to watch

951
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: any other quarterbacks closely as I will Kyle slow to

952
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: this he does in the fourth preseason game. All right,

953
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. Are we check

954
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: in with Charlie in Portland, Maine? What's happening? Hey, guys,

955
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: how are you doing? We're doing a right sound, low energy,

956
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, Charlie. Wake up. If you're on you're

957
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: on the line. Usually you know you come out firing. Geez.

958
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Especially when we were talking about Eric Flowers, I know

959
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: you would think his ears would peak up. Boy, you

960
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: guys are you guys are digging for Dirk here you're

961
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: trying to get Pool's gold and talking about backup quarterback.

962
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: I got a question play yet, you were in the

963
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: lea twenty two years who played for a lot of teams.

964
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Who is the best backup quarterback that you've played with?

965
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: Jim McMahon, Jim McMahon, have you heard of him? What

966
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the heck did he play? What team do you want

967
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: when he play? Hold on a second, Charlie, you're asking

968
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: me a question. I'm giving you an answer, and now

969
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: you're questioning no answer. The inquisition? That was it? Well,

970
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: I was it was. It was actually two teams. It

971
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: was with the Philadelphia Eagles, okay, when he backed up

972
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Randald Cunningham, and then when we went to Arizona. He

973
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: was also on the Cardinals with me there, and uh,

974
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy will come in and win your

975
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: football game whenever. You know. Um, he was at the

976
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: age end of his career, but he was a guy

977
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: that could come in and beat you. Um, he really could.

978
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: That's just off the top of my head. I mean,

979
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: if I went back and looked at all the backups

980
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I would, I'd probably find one more. You know you've

981
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: been I just can't remember that he was. You know

982
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: that he played, as remember him in Philadelphia, But I

983
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't remember him in Arizona. Is there any other trivia

984
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: that we can answer? You look at? He criticizes the topics.

985
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: We're talking about it now out of the blue starts

986
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: asking Jeff random questions about his career. Yeah, okay, Setler.

987
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: Who was the best Giants a quarterback for how long?

988
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Hostedtler? Probably lie Man and he backed up. Now,

989
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Charlie's gonna liminate that name from the list, right, Hey,

990
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: that's a good one, Jeff, You're right, You're right, Yeah,

991
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: that is a good one. It's a good question. Yeah,

992
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: I think right off the top of he's I mean

993
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Well, I mean, if Paul was here,

994
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: he'd give you a slew of Giants backup quarterbacks, which

995
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: are none of us would even know. We beat another

996
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: hour for Paul to get through everybody on his list.

997
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking through the list now, and well, because it visually,

998
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: it helps when you see, perhaps David car was a

999
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: really good backup car. I think you could answer yeah,

1000
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: but you know what, nobody says, the guy has to play.

1001
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: It could just be you know that you had confidence.

1002
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I think that that one is certainly a fair spots. See,

1003
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: I always answer when anybody asked me this about impactful

1004
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I think get thrown under the radar. And

1005
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I know This is not the question you're asking. Kerry

1006
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Collins to me, belongs in the conversation because I think

1007
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: what Kerry did for the Giants and the impact that

1008
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: he had you, he may go down as one of

1009
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: the best free agent signings that the Giants ever made

1010
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: in franchise history. And I, once again, I know that's

1011
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: not the question you asked. But as I'm looking through

1012
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, every time I see Kerry Collins name, we

1013
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: we focus on Eli, we focus on Kurt Warner, we

1014
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: focus on some of these other guys. Kerry, yeah, Phil Simms.

1015
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: But Kerry Collins made a significant impact for this franchise.

1016
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: That's why I said, we don't need to draft a

1017
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: quarterback because you can always get one to create well.

1018
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't disagree with you, Charlie. I

1019
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: have always turned to that argument, and I think there

1020
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: is validity behind it. But you can't expect that every

1021
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: year there's gonna be somebody out on the market that

1022
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: is of the Kerry Collins fabric. That to me is

1023
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: wishful thinking. I mean, think about some years you've had

1024
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: a group of veteran quarterbacks, like last year, there were

1025
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: a number of veterans out there on the market and

1026
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: not every year it's going to play out that way,

1027
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: so you know you also, it goes back to what

1028
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: Jeff and I were talking about timing. Sometimes you're looking

1029
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, the free agent market is attractive and

1030
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: somebody's out there like Kerry Collins happened to be out

1031
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: there when the Giants needed somebody, and Ernie of course

1032
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: he brought him in. But hold on, if Kerry, keep

1033
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: in mind, Charlie, if Kerry doesn't have his off the

1034
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: field issues, he's Kerry Collins on the free agent market.

1035
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Carry Collins is probably still with the Carolina Panthers. What

1036
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, so remember that a lot

1037
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: of that was luck and timing for the Giants. Yeah. Hey,

1038
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: and just to follow up, who is carry Collins is

1039
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: backup when we went to the Super Bowl? Well, we

1040
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: have it right here, so uh um, do you want

1041
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: to go ahead and say, well you brought it up? Well,

1042
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the crazy part of out it is I'd have to

1043
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: look if he was there because they don't have the

1044
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: backup listed here. Year Graham, he was carry Collins backed up?

1045
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: Kent Graham didn't he Well, it was I'm looking at

1046
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: the roster. C Jesse Palmer was not on the roster,

1047
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: then all right, who was it? I'm looking. I just

1048
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: want to confirm before we get you know who it is.

1049
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't. He's asking a question, but he asked the question.

1050
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know who he's gonna come. He's coming

1051
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: to us for information that that's a typical That is

1052
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: a typical Charlie question where he asks us and he

1053
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: doesn't even know that he didn't stump us. I think

1054
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: you basically brought up something else that we could talk about,

1055
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: because clearly you want to direct the ship right now.

1056
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Speaker 1: And the answer is Jason Garrett was the backup quarterback

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Speaker 1: to Kerry com there you go. Okay, so you're happy.

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Speaker 1: It is remarkable. And then then he then he backed

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Speaker 1: up Kerry Collins. You're talking about Yeah, yeah, that's exactly

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Speaker 1: how it worked out. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean

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Speaker 1: that exactly. I was because listen, I was here and

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Speaker 1: oh three when Carrie Collins and Jason Garret were the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: so I should have known that. By the way we listen,

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00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot that's happened. I'm not gonna fold you

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Speaker 1: of anything that blames on Charlie ask the question he

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Speaker 1: didn't know the answer to, and and and as if

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Speaker 1: he's going out of his way to give us more

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Speaker 1: content to talk about. Is if we seem lost today

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Speaker 1: and we didn't have enough to delve into before. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait when you have John Jerry, Eric Flowers, Heart

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Speaker 1: new House making teams. You cannot tell me that will

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Speaker 1: beat he can't play in this. I leave it to

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Speaker 1: Charlie to find the way. Well, you know what, I

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00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: was actually going to finish your sentence that will let

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Speaker 1: you go on that note, Charlie, I'm so glad we

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Speaker 1: got a will beat the reference in out of you,

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: but Kickoff Live is not complete unless we get a

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Speaker 1: will beat the statement from him. I actually think what's

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Speaker 1: telling about what Charlie just said Jeff is the indication

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Speaker 1: and once again it's about putting things in perspective about

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Speaker 1: how hard it is to find quality starting offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: in today's NFL. That's to me what Charlie should have

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00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: said at the end of his sentence when he was

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Speaker 1: going over how there's been a few guys with the

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Speaker 1: Giants who have moved around team to team and still

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Speaker 1: getting opportunities that is the perfect example of how challenging

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: it is for teams to find starters. And also if

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Speaker 1: the Redskins are contemplating starting Eric Flowers forget left tackle

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Speaker 1: at a completely new position, it's another indication, Jeff, how

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00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: difficult it is to find starting offensive line. No question,

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Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head when you have

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Speaker 1: a guy that's the first round draft pick playing left

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00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: tackle for organization for five years and then next thing

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00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's now gonna they're gonna put him in

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00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: left guard. For that actually says to show you there

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00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: is it's very difficult to find these guys. There really is.

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Speaker 1: And when you do find them, they go in the

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00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: first round and they're good. I mean, there's some bus

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Speaker 1: here and there, which you know, Eric Flowers was a

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Speaker 1: bus um. But listen, now that this the Redskins are

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Speaker 1: gonna try to resurrect his career and put him inside.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it works well for him. As you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: he's coming down to his last opportunity, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: he should have all the motivation in the world to

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Speaker 1: go out there. If they dude, if they indeed, excuse me,

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: that's an interesting word in dude, to give him the

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Speaker 1: job and he wins the competition. Because Flowers certainly is

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Speaker 1: running out of options. Let's head to Twitter before we

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Speaker 1: wrap up the program. You could also maybe try to

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Speaker 1: give us a ring. We may be able to squeeze

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00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: in at two zero one three, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: activity on Twitter that I want to get to. A J.

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Speaker 1: Marshall A J Marshall three. The NFC's backup quarterback on

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Speaker 1: the depth charts are unproven except for the Redskins. They

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Speaker 1: have Cult McCoy who started games before, and that was

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Speaker 1: what you were talking about earlier. Jeff, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that is a very solid statement that you're right. Just

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Speaker 1: about every team has unproven commodities, with the exception of

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Speaker 1: Colt McCoy, who at least has been there and done that.

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Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld has been in the NFL, but he hasn't

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Speaker 1: had any opportunities. Actually, I'm just gonna confirm that. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe. I wonder how many games Nate Sudfeld has

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Speaker 1: actually appeared in. Jeff, Well, you know, Alex Tanny is

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Speaker 1: is the backup, and Tanny belongs to that conversation, but

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Speaker 1: Colt McCoy has got a lot more starting experience than

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Speaker 1: Alex Tanny has a if you even want to throw

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Speaker 1: Alex Tanniy into the conversation, Okay, So Nate Sudfeld appeared

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Speaker 1: in one game in two thousands seventeen for the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: nineteen of twenty three. Impressive performance, aren't your thirty four yards,

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Speaker 1: completed eighty three percent of his passes. And then last

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Speaker 1: season he appeared in two games and this was like

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Speaker 1: garbage time where he completed one of two pass attempts

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Speaker 1: twenty two yards in a touchdown. Well, he did throw

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Speaker 1: a touchdown pass, so he did throw it, so uh,

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Speaker 1: kudos to him with respect to that. But yeah, Nate

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Speaker 1: Sudfeld is not anywhere near where Cult McCoy is if

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Speaker 1: you want to go down that road. So yeah, the Redskins,

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Speaker 1: they may have some question marks, but they by far

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Speaker 1: have the best experienced quarterback playing behind their starter right now.

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Speaker 1: And here's something related to what we were talking about

1141
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: at Alex. With seventeen million xes Wilson's and seventeen million

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: ends Eric Flowers still starting at left tackle in the

1143
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: NFL only shows the lack of offensive line talent across

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: the league. I think that we would echo those sentiments

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00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: which we said a few moments ago, there's no doubt

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00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: about it. On the backup quarterback discussion, Fritz Geen at

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00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Oceanville Eagles had Don McPherson and Randall Cunningham. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to point out with respect to the Eagles their depth

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Speaker 1: chart at one point, and Claydon at Claydon Harden throws

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Speaker 1: out norm Sneed when we were talking about best Giants

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Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks after Carry Collins. Of course, so that's one

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00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: other name that if you really want to go back

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00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: into the archives, you can certainly throw that your conversation. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and know, when you look at the history of teams,

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00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: it's always interesting. And you know Norm Steed we're talking about, uh,

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00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: that would be that time frame. It's and and you

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: know that was during the time where the Giants didn't

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00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: necessarily have you know, great consistent answers across the board

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Speaker 1: with respect to the roster. It's a tough position. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough position to play backup quarterback because you gotta

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00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: stay ready, Jeff, you gotta find ways to stay motivated.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's such an undervalued and underappreciated position.

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Speaker 1: I would say, well, first of all, it's a tough

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Speaker 1: position to play. And then when you're not getting reps

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Speaker 1: with the number one team and you all of a sudden,

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00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: now you're put in a game. You're expected to know

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Speaker 1: the offense, but you're also expected to execute the offense,

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00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: which means go win the game. Um so yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, you're you're better off having a

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Speaker 1: guy that knows your system and has been in it,

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: but has been in some games before, it's been in

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Speaker 1: the fire. To be able to go out there and

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: try to win yourself a game. It's a lot to

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Speaker 1: ask a guy like, so, what's his name? Siderman, what's

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: his name? The guy from Cleveland? From the backup from

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Speaker 1: New England. No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Oh Dannyn, who's a little bit lower on the depth

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Speaker 1: chart you talk about. To have him come in the

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Speaker 1: game and expect him to go win and then next

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Speaker 1: week go win is a pretty good Yeah. He takes

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Speaker 1: no reps during the week, Danny just go in there.

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Speaker 1: So my my point is that this just goes to

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Speaker 1: show you you're right. It's it's very difficult to find

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00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: these backup and it's and it's it's it's it's not

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: talked about enough is how how hard it is to

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: be able to get those guys. And there isn't across

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Speaker 1: the league that many guys that can come in and

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: do what we're talking about well. And that's why what

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Speaker 1: you just laid out how many times has Pat Sherber

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Speaker 1: said to those of us who cover the team, the

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Speaker 1: reason why I like a backup quarterback who's a veteran

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00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: is because he can go in a week with limited reps. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you could throw him out there and he could still perform.

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Speaker 1: That's why having Alex Tanney on the roster was beneficial.

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Speaker 1: Now that conversation is something that's gonna be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: How much progress does Daniel Jones make with the offense

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Speaker 1: with the comfort level that if they feel they wanted

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones to be the backup, he could get away Jeff,

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Speaker 1: with very limited I'll give you one quick example. Then

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Speaker 1: it just happened last year at the quarterback position. A

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00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: young guy not any experience, expecting to come in and

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Speaker 1: start and play a game, and I start, but getting

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: into a game Kyl Aletta was a disaster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there you go. I mean, and now what he had

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: done better the next week, probably a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: but he would have been more reps and things that

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Speaker 1: Kyla Letta never threw a ball to a first first

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Speaker 1: team guy anywhere. It was a blowout against Washington. There

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Speaker 1: you go. No, I think that's a great example, and

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Speaker 1: that's more of a reason why Pat Shermer values the

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Speaker 1: veteran backup quarterbacks. So for those of you who are

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Speaker 1: speculating and saying, if Daniel Jones is not the backup

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Speaker 1: number two week one, that's a complete disappointment. No, it

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Speaker 1: maybe that for week one they just wanted more experience

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01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: back up, and then as the season progresses they feel

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Speaker 1: he can get away with limited reps and go into

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Speaker 1: a game god forbid, under the circumstances. A little bit

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Speaker 1: unfair for Kyle A lot of to think that, you

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Speaker 1: know that that Unfortunately, that was his his his kind

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Speaker 1: of sample of work. Unfortunately people who are looking at

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Speaker 1: him like you can't play anymore, you know, But that's

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Speaker 1: that's all. And those are people who I think don't

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Speaker 1: understand context. And we're not here sitting and making excuses

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01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: and telling you what's gonna become of him. But if

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Speaker 1: you evaluate a quarterback who literally has one game of action,

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01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: at least tell me what the circumstances were in which

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Speaker 1: he got into the game before you just run away

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Speaker 1: with narratives and so forth. Context is certainly important no

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Speaker 1: matter the conversation. So that is gonna wrap things up

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Speaker 1: for us here on Wednesday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody tuning in, Thank you for sending in your tweets,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the phone calls. We'll try to interact with

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Speaker 1: those of those tweets that we did not address off

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Speaker 1: the air Big Blue Kickoff. I've up and running again

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon Eastern, where we'll carry on the conversation

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Speaker 1: and just for Charlie will be taking recommendations for tomorrow show.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not we'll put substance behind them, that's a

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Speaker 1: whole other story for Jeff Eagles om Lance Meadow. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Wednesday, and always stay locked to

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Speaker 1: Giants dot com. Have a go on