WEBVTT - #330 - Malcolm Mays 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.840 Brulet Cat Podcast Special guests in here Malcolm May's welcome sir. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.920 For people who don't know what I know you from Snowfall, 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.080 all right, all right, which is obviously one of the 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.680 more legendary television shows, the last I don't know forever. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:20.800 it's one of them ones. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:21.759 It's one of them ones. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:23.880 But I did not know that you made music, So 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.640 what were you doing? First acting of the music? 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.640 It was always both So I'm I came up at 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.200 a church that was in the middle of the twenties 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.800 called First African Methodis Episcopal Fangka. Out of it came 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.479 fifteen hundred and nothing, so ranting them all from that 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.000 same church, JAMMI and so I've always been musically inclined. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.440 It's just everybody else was better than it around me. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.879 So I didn't think, like you know, when you when 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.800 you hanging around goats, you often think that your talent 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.400 is minimized, right, But then you also get to stepping 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.199 around other people and you're like, wait, hold up, how 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.920 might have something. I'm actually like, they're so amazing that 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.920 I'm better than everybody else, or I could be persily 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.280 right if you put the work in in time. But 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.639 I've always been doing music. I was a songwriter since 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.560 I was fifteen. I got my first placement at sixteen 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:03.920 years old. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:04.720 What was your placement? 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.840 Man, I ain't even granting them that got that for me? Yeah, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.640 they did. It was a blessing. It was I think 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.120 it was on a TV show or something. It was 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.559 like a nine or two or zero or something like that. Yeah, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.160 my first song independently, Yeah, it was dope. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.679 So obviously, living in La a lot of people come 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.360 here to start acting. What was the origination of you 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.399 like being an actor and like actually making a career 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:26.800 out of it. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.800 Oh shit, my mama, bro like mama, grandma, my community, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.320 even my church, like from church plays. You know. My 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.480 mom always was like trying to find different ways to 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.120 keep me distracted out the streets, and it didn't work, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.039 but she tried her best. And this was one of 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.320 the things that always stuck. When you were Quel Robinson, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.240 I got to give her a flower. She had a 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.720 school in the hood for acting, Amazing Grace Conservatory, which 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.200 is still active to this day, and basically she gives 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.000 grants out to certain kids who she believes is talented 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.480 to kind of foster and give them a conservatory level 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.640 of training, right and at a cost, which was no 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.920 cost for some people, to be honest, and that's produced, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.920 Like I think the dude who was in Moonlight like me, yeah, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.560 she she, it'll produced music or to everybody, everybody, you 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.560 came out of there, yeah I did. And before that 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.240 it was faith acting. So it was faith acting. Then 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.280 AGC and they were kind of the same, so it 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.200 was there and then yeah, it just kind of kept 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.040 me out out the way. Well, it tried to keep 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.440 me out the way. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:25.120 Yeah, how because the act obviously, I'm involved in the 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.000 music industry, and the music industry is such it's a 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.320 lot of it's like hitting the lotto, but for whatever reason, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.799 the acting game to me feels like even more difficult 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:35.880 to get like into. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.280 Oh yeah, Numerically, I mean if you look at the people. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:39.760 First of all, music don't have no union. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.799 So that's not just everyone moves to LA and it's 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.320 like not only y'all getting into movies. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.360 Bro. Yeah, no, I think it's less than one percent 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.440 of the SAG union works. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.360 That's crazy. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.359 It's a job a year, and I've been blessed enough 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.720 to always work. But that didn't come from no like, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.720 you know, knowing nobody. I wasn't nobody nephew or son 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.120 or everything. I was just me and blessed enough that 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.519 people see me working along the way. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.200 So what was your first big break on the acting side? 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.959 First big break? Shit, what I made. My first big 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.560 break to me was when I made my first feature. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.880 I was seventeen years old. I wrote director, started it 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.160 because I didn't know no better. And I won this 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.560 grant from Panavision. I was like seventeen years old. It 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.320 was supposed to be for college students, but I didn't know. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.959 So I just applied and they gave me this big 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.520 ass film camera, and so I had to learn how 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.919 to like cut film, like like my fingers. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.959 You shot your own shit, Like yeah, yeah. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.120 Like really, I was on Super sixteen. I'm shooting my 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.600 first feature. I started it, directed it. But I had 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.080 always had a love for cinema. I always had a 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.560 love for music, so I just that was like a 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.880 mode of expression for me. Like even when you said, like, oh, 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.040 the music industry of the film industry, that should be 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.880 weird to me, because that's not my I don't have 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.440 like actor friends. I didn't get active friends till later. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.920 I had like friends who like we throw going away 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.880 parties and those going away parties just to turn themselves 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.680 in so that you, hell, yeah, that's my friends. So 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.600 I didn't even as I was being successful, even when 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.240 like I'm going to tell you ride or what, and 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.800 the homies ain't never heard of that shit, right, you 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 know what I'm saying. But like I'm talking about you know, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.760 Bernardo Berta Lucci. You know, niggas don't really know what 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.040 the fuck I'm talking about. But you know, they supported me, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.720 they loved me. I always got loved, so I just 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.760 kept doing it. But the industry, the commodification of art, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.920 I still don't get that shit. I don't know how 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.880 you navigated. I don't know how my manager Chris Cornish navigated. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.040 I don't know how niggas do that. I just make 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.360 shit and been blessed in us and people like it, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.040 yeah well sometimes, but like really, I just I bother 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.640 niggas because it ain't shit scarier and ain't no no scary. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.680 Ain't nothing scarier than death. So I'll be present, like 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.919 I'm making my shit, I'm going and if people like it, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:35.320 they like it. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:40.599 So how did you initially get into snowfa Obviously, John 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.800 Singleton was behind me. God rest the soul, Rest in 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.240 peace to John Singletons piece of the Big homey Ah, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.000 but you obviously very imperative early in the show. What 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.520 was the process of getting on his radar and getting 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.320 casted in that show? 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.520 Well, I had known Johnson Saw sixteen seventeen years old 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.240 because of that movie. I told you, I'm right. So 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.159 when I made it, I was also working at Sony 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.599 Pictures under the head of physical production name Gary Martin. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.680 He gave me the opportunity to learn the business of 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.440 filmmaking because I was bothering him. So he was like, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.440 you know, it was an internship that I found. I 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:09.120 snuck on the lot. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:10.400 Talk to Jesus, that's crazy. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.240 Yeah, it was crazy. It was really wild out here. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.520 You know, I would ditch. I was going to summer 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.640 school at Hamilton and ditching. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.039 So you were interning on the movie lot. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.800 Yeah, But nobody really knew how old I was, so 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.360 they just like, let me do shit. And I knew 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:22.640 what I was talking about, but they didn't know I 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.320 was a kid kid. So I was getting checks like 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.200 sixteen fifteen years old that were looking like nice, like 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.120 not crazy. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.599 Bright or something. Ffteen year old, you're getting. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.480 Ten bands, you like nigga, I'm up in my family, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.720 living in a section. I'm like, I'm up. So for 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.359 me making that feature film, there were other people like 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.400 Gary Martin who had built the careers of minority filmmakers. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.839 He's a white dude, looked like Santa Claus right, but 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.200 he always enabled black Latino and female filmmakers from the 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.839 nineties like Robert rod Reegaz, like all In and John 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.599 and he thought that I reminded him of John and 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.480 John would. He would tell John, I got this kid, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.279 I got this kid, but until I made my first feature, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:05:59.960 John wasn't trying to hear it. So when I find 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.560 he made my first feature got on the front of 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.360 New York Times, John was like, Okay, I'll listen to 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.080 this kid. You feel me? And we clicked because he 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.080 did know who Bernouto Bertolucci was. He did know you 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.080 know what what Burger's standing out to go to and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.360 south from Los Angeles, and he knew books and he 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.839 knew music, and he like people don't know. John on 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.760 the record label and the first person he ever signed 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.880 was was an aight dog crazy Yeah, that's like he 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.600 been that nigga, Like it's it's always been intertwined, it's 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.919 never really been separated. And you know, like if you 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.120 know the history of l A, you know. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:30.760 Was he also working with Coolio? 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.120 Yeah at some point yeah, yeah he got he really 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.760 go like I had, I had. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.560 The music director dude for the show on the White 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:39.800 dude from from Compton. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.240 Yeah, John Stewart. He for real, I ain't gonna lie. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.760 He been outside like he'd been outside. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.280 But yeah, so you're like a real just film geek. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.640 I mean, you got to be a geek about this 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.320 ship to really like put your own movie out as 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:55.600 a kid. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.000 I mean shit, I'm like that with music too, like 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.080 like like so you added in your own movie? I 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.680 did at that time. Yeah. Now now it's like it's 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:04.440 too easy, Like. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:05.960 I'm saying, when you were like so like back in 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:07.120 the day, did you have final Cut? 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.560 Like back in the day it was AVID and now 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.240 you still have AVID. But back then there was these 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.280 massive systems that you had to edit on just like 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:14.600 music with it right here, and it's. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.400 Like no, it used to be crazy. Now anybody can 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.119 buy a little red box from Guitar Center. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.720 But just like music, everything used to be taped, everything 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:21.440 used to be analog. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:22.760 You had to cut it right if. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.080 You wanted that analog field. So I was actually I 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.120 remember my first film I cut like on like a 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.240 like a like a star. 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.280 You were actually like the film. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.280 And then the next film I did like on avid, 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.600 which is like ingesting these massive things I shot on film. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.000 I did all that I've done. I've done my work 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.440 like I've really been out here. Probably didn't have to, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.080 but but that was I loved it. When you love 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.240 some shit, you don't even know that you're supposed to 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:49.680 be doing certain things to industrialize, to solidify a career, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.920 or political I never did the politics very well, even 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.680 in music. Like That's why it took me so long 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.360 to transfer over and do this EP which is on 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.360 the Streetjournals Value one June twenty third, And you know, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.280 I got these big features and everybody's like, oh my. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:02.360 God, who is on their EP? 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.680 Like, bro, if ill I gotta tell you off camera 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.560 because it's a surprise. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:06.720 You're here to promote it. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.240 Who's on the EP? This? Can I tell them? Am 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.800 I holding that it's a big one? You can tell mhm, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.960 Well you can't you can't put it in there. You 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.480 gotta beep it. You gotta you gotta beat it. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:18.440 We'll beep it. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.000 So the next single I'll play for you it's alow. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:21.880 Baby, oh shit. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.320 And then the next one me and Wally we just 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.200 got a video to day oh shout out to. Yeah, 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.360 it's gonna go crazy like it's a fight on you 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.400 people to go crazy Like it's really different. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.000 Damn, that's a pretty uh, that's a pretty serious feature 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.760 to get. Is this your first EP? 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.000 It's my second one. The first one was Red Flags. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.360 It was Red Flags was more like a like a 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.400 like a gritty R and B. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.840 Would you consider like your movie career is helping you 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.480 fund your music career now. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.080 Because I've been saying saying everything but everything right, like 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.480 because I you know, my movie career, you know acting, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.200 I make a bag that's for the family, but I 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 make people don't know, like I'm diversified. I have a 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.240 real estate trust. I got like at some point I 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.120 had an equity stake in the luxury car business during 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:05.720 the pandemic because you know, all the finessas and drug 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.959 dealers wanted to rent cars. I made a bunch of 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.959 money doing that. But when you say make a bunch 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.559 of money, it's not like a flex. It's like I 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.680 would I took. I just basically took money. I was 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.439 gonna go spend to go buy a Dumn car and 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.880 it went and invested in the company that I had 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.680 a bunch of cars, so that like, whatever's not on 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.400 the lot, I would just use that. So that was 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.160 fun because I got to experiment with cars and see 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.720 what I liked. It's never really motivated by me trying 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.199 to like, you know, look flaw. It's more so me 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.080 like how do I not lose this money? So I 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.840 do that I got, But that's all just business ventures 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.720 to make sure that my mom, my grandma, my son, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.000 my seed has something. But the music was always just 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.400 a passion that I love to do and I don't 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.320 want to lose money. And Chris got Chris just you know, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.800 he just left Empire to fuck with me. You know, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.920 I'm managed by him and Brinch Managers, which is tie 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.920 based in and Jane Andrews. So like a lot of 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.600 people have banked on me. You know, Venice Music Group 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:58.880 is distributing. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.480 They dope my friend tweets over there. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.920 Yeah, and and essentially they like they just help you 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.199 if you independent. So a lot of people taking time 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.079 out putting sweat equity into me, and I just don't 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.000 want them to look stupid. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.560 So like I gotta I gotta fall through now. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.560 Yeah, so I put I'm not ashamed of it. I 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.920 took every dollar I had from all of these different 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.280 ventures and said I'm banking on myself with this music ship. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.640 So when I was talking to Glasses, I'm like, bro, 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.079 you know, you know because you one of the few 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.760 left real LA media outlets for hip hop, right, like 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.560 we are we are in a dire state, right, we 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.520 got you. We got community in them, which. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.920 Broke homegrown radio, shown. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.440 Radio of course DJ head and of course like Chuck 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.760 is that man. But then it's like Gina when she's 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.959 not on No Jumper, I guess, and like she's. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.480 Not on No Jumper now, I think she just started 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:48.680 her own thing. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.480 Yeah apartment, she should, but she but she's been doing 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.800 that like she's been hard, Like she's all in the 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.400 d her and her the DJ friend, they be doing 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:56.720 it so like and they should go crazy. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.840 Yeah West Coast Conference the name of their show they 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.720 were doing. I don't think it's happening anymore. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.079 Though, Oh okay, well do you see what I'm saying. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.360 We don't have a place to go all the all 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.480 the outlets is on the East coast or in the south, So. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.240 For sure, the East coast gotta sewed up. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.200 So this is important to me because I'm like, well, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.120 where did the little hommies go tap into? Really? Because 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.080 you know hip hop, you know music history, you know, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.160 like you've been outside and you really love this shit. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.360 So I was like, man, who do I talk to? 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.200 Who do I go tell that, Hey, look, I make music, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.760 I'm out here and it's not bad. Who do you 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.240 go to that goes, hey, this shit? This nigga go right, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.040 y'all should check this out. There's only like three people, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.040 and I'm not going I ain't gonna shit on nobody. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.559 But I'm not going to the to the other person 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.360 because I don't you know, I'm not You're not gonna 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.600 catch me on nobody, Like, no offense to nobody, respectfully 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.640 on how they get their money. But certain platforms you're 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.679 not gonna see me on because I don't I'm from 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.840 a certain element and I got a cold. I'm not 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.559 doing that right, And so it makes it very difficult. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.600 So this was very important to me. I appreciate you 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.720 coming through man, really important. You're this is really important. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:54.920 Well, I appreciate you. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:55.840 So, you know. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.080 So the EP is June twenty third. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.920 When it drop, dropping on the surprise single feature with 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.079 the music video and the EP. All at once we. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.839 Got away from John, you were telling me about how 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:11.559 you would. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.280 Well, he taught me how to invest in myself. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.960 Okay, so he had originally took you serious once he saw. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:17.840 You investing myself. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.920 He did this movie your own feature and all that. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.000 So how does that spiral off? 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.960 So what ends up happening is he goes, I'm gonna 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.640 get you in the USC Film School, okay, because like 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.240 that's the dream, is that John Singleton walk you into 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.240 the dean of USC Film School and go, which was 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:35.160 essentially what happened. But I was still outside. I think 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.440 there was some and I always say this, I think 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.680 I was. He has a son who's a wonderful human 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.000 being and a great you know, director and creator and 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.120 visualists himself. But their relationship was tense, and at that 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.440 time it was tense. It was great after that, but 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.040 I think I at that time I didn't have me 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.040 and my pops wasn't really you know, he wasn't really 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.240 around at that moment. So John kind of failled in, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.520 and I kind of filled in for that relationship that 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.600 he was not repairing with his son in my opinion, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.400 and I could be wrong, and we kind of like 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.240 bumped heads a lot because it meant a lot to us. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:05.880 I didn't know that until later. I just thought he 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.800 was trying to be my daddy. I'm like, nigga, I 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.240 don't like, I don't really want to hear none of 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.920 that shit. But at the end of the day, he 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.839 wanted me to go to school and study filmmaking. But 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.400 I wanted to study the business of filmmaking because I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.320 knew how to make movies right. And he thought and 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.280 he was right, that shit was That's not what he 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.120 walked me in there to do, right, And so we 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.000 bumped head pretty bad, and we you know, I ended 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.400 up you know, back in the streets again doing some things, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.000 and he kind of was disappointed and we kind of 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.360 like got into it, and then you know, we ended 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.559 up re routing back to each other. When I auditioned 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.199 because Kim Kim Harden, who's his longtime casting. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.320 Director auditioned on Snowfall. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.720 On Snowfall, she she brought me in originally the audition 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.920 for Tupac, and then she was like, you dope, Like 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.959 I need to fuck with you for the Tupac movie. Yeah, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.880 he was going to his Tupac movies. I had the 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.240 original draft of his Tupac movie. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.880 John Singleton has a Tupac movie. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.240 He has a Tupac movie. And the opening is I'm 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.920 not even gonna go I have that. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.040 Did that movie ever get made? 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.240 No, No, it's. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.000 Just not sitting on the shelf. Because the Tupac movie 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.040 we got was decent. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:08.920 Let's not even do that it was decent. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.599 It was decent. I would say it was decent. I 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.040 think I think the two Pac movie we got it 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.920 does it does get some unwarranted hit. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.839 I'm a real nigga, Like I love Bennie Boom, like 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:17.880 he did a lot for my section. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.000 You know, No, I think he gets unwarranted he actually 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.040 like when I saw it, I was like, I mean, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.000 I thought they casted the funk out of the Tupac. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.320 But we know that Tupac's biopic deserved the same level 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.160 of residents even more, I say that he deserved a 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.480 Gandhi level, right, a Malcolm X level. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:33.840 For sure. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.840 He was that big of a in that level of cinema, right, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.360 And that doesn't mean that Benny couldn't do it. But 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:39.960 the budget limited and all that, you know what I'm saying. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.160 I just think there was like budget issues. You can 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:43.600 kind of tell. It's like it should have gotten the 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.320 same respect as like Ali Rush something, you know. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.040 And so my big on legs recipes. You know, Lucky 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.240 was right hands with Bennie Boom. So he's helped out 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.000 in the section a lot. Shout the walker fucking video 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.720 on our section all that, so I show him. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.320 No, I actually thought it was like like knowing all 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.240 the restraints and ship, I thought it was lot of 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.160 a solid and I thought that. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.560 Now I can't now I can't say that I don't 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.760 feel that way, but I respect the kids. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.720 Kid who played Tupac though, look just like him. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.840 He keV, you're such a hip hop hip hop is 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.560 just like he looked like him. You are. That's like 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.840 real hip hop ship to say, It's like. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.680 Are we sure I wasn't around your mom Brown? 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.080 But but you never know what blessings you get from losing. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:20.640 So that. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.320 Kim was like, I need to bring you in for something. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:24.920 I think you'd be the great, the great as a 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.920 lead for She brought me in for the lead of Snowfall. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.080 So they you got brought in to be Franklin sat initially. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.920 Oh, I screen test, okay, yeah, I always asked the 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.040 screen test. Yeah. Like I went in like and John 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.120