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Speaker 1: Brulet Cat Podcast Special guests in here Malcolm May's welcome sir.

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Speaker 1: For people who don't know what I know you from Snowfall,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, which is obviously one of the

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Speaker 1: more legendary television shows, the last I don't know forever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one of them ones.

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Speaker 2: It's one of them ones.

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Speaker 1: But I did not know that you made music, So

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Speaker 1: what were you doing? First acting of the music?

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Speaker 2: It was always both So I'm I came up at

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Speaker 2: a church that was in the middle of the twenties

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Speaker 2: called First African Methodis Episcopal Fangka. Out of it came

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred and nothing, so ranting them all from that

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Speaker 2: same church, JAMMI and so I've always been musically inclined.

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Speaker 2: It's just everybody else was better than it around me.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't think, like you know, when you when

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Speaker 2: you hanging around goats, you often think that your talent

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Speaker 2: is minimized, right, But then you also get to stepping

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Speaker 2: around other people and you're like, wait, hold up, how

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Speaker 2: might have something. I'm actually like, they're so amazing that

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Speaker 2: I'm better than everybody else, or I could be persily

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Speaker 2: right if you put the work in in time. But

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Speaker 2: I've always been doing music. I was a songwriter since

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Speaker 2: I was fifteen. I got my first placement at sixteen

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Speaker 2: years old.

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Speaker 1: What was your placement?

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Speaker 2: Man, I ain't even granting them that got that for me? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they did. It was a blessing. It was I think

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Speaker 2: it was on a TV show or something. It was

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Speaker 2: like a nine or two or zero or something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my first song independently, Yeah, it was dope.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, living in La a lot of people come

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Speaker 1: here to start acting. What was the origination of you

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Speaker 1: like being an actor and like actually making a career

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Speaker 1: out of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, my mama, bro like mama, grandma, my community,

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Speaker 2: even my church, like from church plays. You know. My

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Speaker 2: mom always was like trying to find different ways to

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Speaker 2: keep me distracted out the streets, and it didn't work,

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Speaker 2: but she tried her best. And this was one of

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Speaker 2: the things that always stuck. When you were Quel Robinson,

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Speaker 2: I got to give her a flower. She had a

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Speaker 2: school in the hood for acting, Amazing Grace Conservatory, which

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Speaker 2: is still active to this day, and basically she gives

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Speaker 2: grants out to certain kids who she believes is talented

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Speaker 2: to kind of foster and give them a conservatory level

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Speaker 2: of training, right and at a cost, which was no

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Speaker 2: cost for some people, to be honest, and that's produced,

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Speaker 2: Like I think the dude who was in Moonlight like me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she she, it'll produced music or to everybody, everybody, you

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Speaker 2: came out of there, yeah I did. And before that

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Speaker 2: it was faith acting. So it was faith acting. Then

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Speaker 2: AGC and they were kind of the same, so it

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Speaker 2: was there and then yeah, it just kind of kept

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Speaker 2: me out out the way. Well, it tried to keep

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Speaker 2: me out the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how because the act obviously, I'm involved in the

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Speaker 1: music industry, and the music industry is such it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of it's like hitting the lotto, but for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: the acting game to me feels like even more difficult

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Speaker 1: to get like into.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Numerically, I mean if you look at the people.

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Speaker 2: First of all, music don't have no union.

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Speaker 1: So that's not just everyone moves to LA and it's

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Speaker 1: like not only y'all getting into movies.

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Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, no, I think it's less than one percent

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Speaker 2: of the SAG union works.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's a job a year, and I've been blessed enough

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Speaker 2: to always work. But that didn't come from no like,

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Speaker 2: you know, knowing nobody. I wasn't nobody nephew or son

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Speaker 2: or everything. I was just me and blessed enough that

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Speaker 2: people see me working along the way.

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Speaker 1: So what was your first big break on the acting side?

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Speaker 2: First big break? Shit, what I made. My first big

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Speaker 2: break to me was when I made my first feature.

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Speaker 2: I was seventeen years old. I wrote director, started it

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Speaker 2: because I didn't know no better. And I won this

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Speaker 2: grant from Panavision. I was like seventeen years old. It

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be for college students, but I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: So I just applied and they gave me this big

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Speaker 2: ass film camera, and so I had to learn how

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Speaker 2: to like cut film, like like my fingers.

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Speaker 1: You shot your own shit, Like yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like really, I was on Super sixteen. I'm shooting my

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Speaker 2: first feature. I started it, directed it. But I had

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Speaker 2: always had a love for cinema. I always had a

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Speaker 2: love for music, so I just that was like a

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Speaker 2: mode of expression for me. Like even when you said, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the music industry of the film industry, that should be

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Speaker 2: weird to me, because that's not my I don't have

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Speaker 2: like actor friends. I didn't get active friends till later.

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Speaker 2: I had like friends who like we throw going away

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Speaker 2: parties and those going away parties just to turn themselves

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Speaker 2: in so that you, hell, yeah, that's my friends. So

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Speaker 2: I didn't even as I was being successful, even when

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Speaker 2: like I'm going to tell you ride or what, and

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Speaker 2: the homies ain't never heard of that shit, right, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But like I'm talking about you know,

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Speaker 2: Bernardo Berta Lucci. You know, niggas don't really know what

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Speaker 2: the fuck I'm talking about. But you know, they supported me,

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Speaker 2: they loved me. I always got loved, so I just

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Speaker 2: kept doing it. But the industry, the commodification of art,

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Speaker 2: I still don't get that shit. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you navigated. I don't know how my manager Chris Cornish navigated.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how niggas do that. I just make

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Speaker 2: shit and been blessed in us and people like it,

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Speaker 2: yeah well sometimes, but like really, I just I bother

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Speaker 2: niggas because it ain't shit scarier and ain't no no scary.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nothing scarier than death. So I'll be present, like

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Speaker 2: I'm making my shit, I'm going and if people like it,

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Speaker 2: they like it.

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Speaker 1: So how did you initially get into snowfa Obviously, John

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Speaker 1: Singleton was behind me. God rest the soul, Rest in

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Speaker 1: peace to John Singletons piece of the Big homey Ah,

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Speaker 1: but you obviously very imperative early in the show. What

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Speaker 1: was the process of getting on his radar and getting

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Speaker 1: casted in that show?

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Speaker 2: Well, I had known Johnson Saw sixteen seventeen years old

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Speaker 2: because of that movie. I told you, I'm right. So

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Speaker 2: when I made it, I was also working at Sony

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Speaker 2: Pictures under the head of physical production name Gary Martin.

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Speaker 2: He gave me the opportunity to learn the business of

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Speaker 2: filmmaking because I was bothering him. So he was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was an internship that I found. I

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Speaker 2: snuck on the lot.

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Speaker 1: Talk to Jesus, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. It was really wild out here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would ditch. I was going to summer

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Speaker 2: school at Hamilton and ditching.

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Speaker 1: So you were interning on the movie lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But nobody really knew how old I was, so

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Speaker 2: they just like, let me do shit. And I knew

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Speaker 2: what I was talking about, but they didn't know I

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Speaker 2: was a kid kid. So I was getting checks like

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Speaker 2: sixteen fifteen years old that were looking like nice, like

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Speaker 2: not crazy.

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Speaker 1: Bright or something. Ffteen year old, you're getting.

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Speaker 2: Ten bands, you like nigga, I'm up in my family,

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Speaker 2: living in a section. I'm like, I'm up. So for

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Speaker 2: me making that feature film, there were other people like

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Speaker 2: Gary Martin who had built the careers of minority filmmakers.

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Speaker 2: He's a white dude, looked like Santa Claus right, but

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Speaker 2: he always enabled black Latino and female filmmakers from the

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Speaker 2: nineties like Robert rod Reegaz, like all In and John

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Speaker 2: and he thought that I reminded him of John and

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Speaker 2: John would. He would tell John, I got this kid,

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Speaker 2: I got this kid, but until I made my first feature,

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Speaker 2: John wasn't trying to hear it. So when I find

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Speaker 2: this kid. You feel me? And we clicked because he

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Speaker 2: did know who Bernouto Bertolucci was. He did know you

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Speaker 2: know what what Burger's standing out to go to and

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Speaker 2: south from Los Angeles, and he knew books and he

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Speaker 2: knew music, and he like people don't know. John on

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Speaker 2: the record label and the first person he ever signed

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Speaker 2: was was an aight dog crazy Yeah, that's like he

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Speaker 2: been that nigga, Like it's it's always been intertwined, it's

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Speaker 2: never really been separated. And you know, like if you

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Speaker 1: Was he also working with Coolio?

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Speaker 2: Yeah at some point yeah, yeah he got he really

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Speaker 2: go like I had, I had.

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Speaker 1: The music director dude for the show on the White

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Speaker 1: dude from from Compton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Stewart. He for real, I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: He been outside like he'd been outside.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so you're like a real just film geek.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to be a geek about this

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Speaker 1: ship to really like put your own movie out as

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Speaker 2: I mean shit, I'm like that with music too, like

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Speaker 2: like like so you added in your own movie? I

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Speaker 2: did at that time. Yeah. Now now it's like it's

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Speaker 2: too easy, Like.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, when you were like so like back in

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Speaker 2: Like back in the day it was AVID and now

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Speaker 2: you still have AVID. But back then there was these

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Speaker 2: massive systems that you had to edit on just like

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Speaker 2: music with it right here, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like no, it used to be crazy. Now anybody can

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Speaker 1: buy a little red box from Guitar Center.

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Speaker 2: But just like music, everything used to be taped, everything

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Speaker 2: used to be analog.

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Speaker 1: You had to cut it right if.

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Speaker 2: You wanted that analog field. So I was actually I

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Speaker 2: remember my first film I cut like on like a

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Speaker 2: like a like a star.

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Speaker 1: You were actually like the film.

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Speaker 2: And then the next film I did like on avid,

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Speaker 2: which is like ingesting these massive things I shot on film.

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Speaker 2: I did all that I've done. I've done my work

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Speaker 2: like I've really been out here. Probably didn't have to,

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Speaker 2: but but that was I loved it. When you love

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Speaker 2: some shit, you don't even know that you're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be doing certain things to industrialize, to solidify a career,

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Speaker 2: or political I never did the politics very well, even

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Speaker 2: in music. Like That's why it took me so long

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Speaker 2: to transfer over and do this EP which is on

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Speaker 2: the Streetjournals Value one June twenty third, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I got these big features and everybody's like, oh my.

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Speaker 1: God, who is on their EP?

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Speaker 2: Like, bro, if ill I gotta tell you off camera

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Speaker 2: because it's a surprise.

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Speaker 1: You're here to promote it.

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Speaker 2: Who's on the EP? This? Can I tell them? Am

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Speaker 2: I holding that it's a big one? You can tell mhm,

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Speaker 2: Well you can't you can't put it in there. You

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Speaker 2: gotta beep it. You gotta you gotta beat it.

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Speaker 1: We'll beep it.

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Speaker 2: So the next single I'll play for you it's alow.

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Speaker 1: Baby, oh shit.

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Speaker 2: And then the next one me and Wally we just

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Speaker 2: got a video to day oh shout out to. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna go crazy like it's a fight on you

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Speaker 2: people to go crazy Like it's really different.

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Speaker 1: Damn, that's a pretty uh, that's a pretty serious feature

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Speaker 2: Because I've been saying saying everything but everything right, like

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Speaker 1: So like I gotta I gotta fall through now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I put I'm not ashamed of it. I

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Speaker 2: So this is important to me because I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: like you've been outside and you really love this shit.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, man, who do I talk to?

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Speaker 2: I'm out here and it's not bad. Who do you

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Speaker 2: y'all should check this out. There's only like three people,

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Speaker 2: catch me on nobody, Like, no offense to nobody, respectfully

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Speaker 2: on how they get their money. But certain platforms you're

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Speaker 2: a certain element and I got a cold. I'm not

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Speaker 2: So this was very important to me. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: coming through man, really important. You're this is really important.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: So, you know.

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Speaker 1: So the EP is June twenty third.

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Speaker 2: When it drop, dropping on the surprise single feature with

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Speaker 1: Got away from John, you were telling me about how

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Speaker 2: Well, he taught me how to invest in myself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he had originally took you serious once he saw.

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Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is he goes, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that until later. I just thought he

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Speaker 2: he was right, that shit was That's not what he

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Speaker 2: bumped head pretty bad, and we you know, I ended

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Speaker 2: up re routing back to each other. When I auditioned

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Speaker 2: because Kim Kim Harden, who's his longtime casting.

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Speaker 1: Director auditioned on Snowfall.

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Speaker 2: On Snowfall, she she brought me in originally the audition

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Speaker 2: I need to fuck with you for the Tupac movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: John Singleton has a Tupac movie.

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Speaker 2: He has a Tupac movie. And the opening is I'm

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Speaker 1: Did that movie ever get made?

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Speaker 1: Just not sitting on the shelf. Because the Tupac movie

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Speaker 2: Let's not even do that it was decent.

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Speaker 1: It was decent. I would say it was decent. I

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Speaker 2: I'm a real nigga, Like I love Bennie Boom, like

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Speaker 1: You know, No, I think he gets unwarranted he actually

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Speaker 2: But we know that Tupac's biopic deserved the same level

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Speaker 2: Gandhi level, right, a Malcolm X level.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: He was that big of a in that level of cinema, right,

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Speaker 1: I just think there was like budget issues. You can

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Speaker 2: And so my big on legs recipes. You know, Lucky

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Speaker 1: No, I actually thought it was like like knowing all

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Speaker 2: Now I can't now I can't say that I don't

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Speaker 1: Kid who played Tupac though, look just like him.

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Speaker 2: He keV, you're such a hip hop hip hop is

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Speaker 2: just like he looked like him. You are. That's like

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Speaker 1: Are we sure I wasn't around your mom Brown?

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Speaker 2: But but you never know what blessings you get from losing.

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Speaker 2: Kim was like, I need to bring you in for something.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd be the great, the great as a

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Speaker 2: This is amazing. He's like, where have you been? And

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Speaker 1: Beautiful reunit full circle moment.

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Speaker 2: Man. I never forget. It was Mother's Day. I just

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Speaker 2: Obviously I did. And then but I think that the

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Speaker 2: It was him and John's initial idea.

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Speaker 2: and that foundation, and then and then sundays that I

437
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Speaker 2: missed in that and being up under him and learning

438
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Speaker 2: and history and just everything more than just film and television.

439
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Speaker 2: It was just a beautiful like thing. And the only

440
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441
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Speaker 2: was become a big enough star to to give back

442
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Speaker 2: to him like he's given us so many stars and

443
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Speaker 2: respecting love to them. But he never got the treatment

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Speaker 1: He didn't even get to see what Snowfall became.

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't, and and to my in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I just wish he would have had his Leo, his

448
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449
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Speaker 2: guy who's booming because he put him on come back

450
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451
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Speaker 2: my only regrett.

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Speaker 1: Right right right, I mean it ended up being like

453
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454
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, everybody in the show can act.

455
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Speaker 1: They ass uh, dude did a great job. Like I

456
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Speaker 1: didn't even know he was from the UK until I

457
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458
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Speaker 1: this fucking kids from London.

459
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Speaker 2: No, damn since the star hands Dawn, Like listen the

460
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Speaker 2: original people who were screen testing for.

461
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Speaker 1: And the Uncle jer was such a good cast.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, looking Aim and Joseph, it's a

463
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Speaker 2: different level about he's a different animal. He's a different animal,

464
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Speaker 2: But when I speak of Dampson, Dampson earned that amongst

466
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Speaker 2: Like he didn't just win that against regular actor niggas

467
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468
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Speaker 2: Like I was, like, it's certain people who you know,

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472
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473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dub was there to do the training and you know.

474
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Speaker 1: You didn't help him at all.

475
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Speaker 2: Of course I did, but I but I ain't never

476
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477
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478
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Speaker 2: people don't even remember rhythm why g was originally Kevin.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember right before brug got you know,

481
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482
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Speaker 1: I think, so why you was supposed to be in

484
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485
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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but after he got hurt, he

486
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Speaker 2: wasn't Vin no more. Oh wow, and then it was Kofy.

487
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Speaker 1: That's great, that's real shit.

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Speaker 2: That's how this shit go. Bro, It's like this whole.

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Speaker 1: I did not know why she was supposed to be

490
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Speaker 2: Oh man, listen, Kofe was Kofe and I were up

492
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496
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497
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498
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499
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500
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501
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502
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504
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fun guy.

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Speaker 1: As an actor?

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Speaker 2: I don't feel shit, nigga from the streets that sit.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder, I was.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. I'm black. We

570
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571
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Speaker 1: I knew already, right, So you had an idea that John.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, there's certain things that I'm just not gonna

574
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Speaker 2: talk about right now because I want to. I don't

575
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Speaker 2: want it to overshadow what I'm doing with music, what

576
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Speaker 2: I'm doing with film and television, because when I talk

577
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578
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Speaker 2: place of puiture. For niggas can't say I'm hating right,

579
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Speaker 2: so I gotta first. But the way that I can

580
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581
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Speaker 2: other things happen, Some real situations happened that I didn't

582
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Speaker 2: agree with how certain people handled them. John went to

583
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Speaker 2: bat for me, and they found a way to be like, hey, like,

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Speaker 2: John came to me, it was like, do you want

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Speaker 2: And John and I had so many we had movies

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Speaker 2: with Netflix going We had all types of shit going on,

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Speaker 2: like a movie like, we had all types of things

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Speaker 2: like writing and directing going on, and so he was like,

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Speaker 2: do you want me to go to bat for you?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I don't want to be

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Speaker 2: that they don't want you. They just want to. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're scared they want to get. Gets you outy here

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Speaker 2: because you know whatever. And I said, I'll be like,

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Speaker 2: I'm straight, bro't I'm good, And I was good. I

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Speaker 2: ended up as a lead on Racing cany So for me,

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Speaker 2: other actors, they operate out of fear because it's just

601
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Speaker 2: like music. Like you, you know, when people come bringing

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603
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Speaker 2: love this shit so hard. They they work so hard

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Speaker 2: and they don't get nothing back from it. You have

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Speaker 2: one opportunity to wrap in front of cav. You got

606
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Speaker 2: one opportunity to get in front of like Kanye or

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Speaker 2: somebody and do your shit, and then that could change

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Speaker 2: your whole life. But I've been blessed enough to know

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Speaker 2: my divine ordain. It like people love me at home, bro,

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Speaker 2: and niggas respect me because of what I've done in

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Speaker 2: My section love me. You feel me so whether I

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Speaker 2: book a roll or not. First of all, niggas know,

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Speaker 2: I'm cold with this movie shit as you can see.

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Speaker 2: If I want to wrap, I can rap good, seeing Good,

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Speaker 2: do whatever I really want to do. So everything is

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Speaker 2: just timy every but I feel bad for other people

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Speaker 2: because there's a desperation and it's sad because people take

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Speaker 1: We're in like a great position as a as a

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Speaker 1: the very thriving acting career.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man. Well, and there's a strike right now, right,

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Speaker 2: so like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how's that? So for people who don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Because Nigga's not working, they out of.

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Speaker 1: Work because all we do is hear about this strike.

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Speaker 1: My uh, you know, my kid goes to school on burdbanks,

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632
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Speaker 2: Everybody is gangshit.

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Speaker 1: So nobody is working.

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Speaker 2: Bro, let me break this ship down for you. It's

636
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Speaker 2: gang ship. When you get in the union, they taxing

637
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Speaker 2: your ass. You don't even want to be in the union.

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Speaker 2: They like, hey, bro, so.

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Speaker 1: Are you with the writers?

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Speaker 2: I'm with writing the I think I'm with DJ. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure, sag.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you like you you agree with the

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Speaker 2: It's gang shit, it don't matter, like it's gang banging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so like if they everyone strikes, well yes, well

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Speaker 2: But it's not always been like that. There's like inner

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Speaker 2: things fighting, but we're all coming together because we all

649
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Speaker 2: got the same plight. Now, the problem is that profits

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651
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Speaker 2: remained the same, much like in American culture with like

652
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: then wagem to like to something twelve dollars.

653
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: It does not reflect inflation.

654
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: Right at all. Inflation is like I don't know, ten

655
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 2: x or some shit, and then the minimum wage has

656
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: moved up a few cents or whatever. That's the same

657
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: thing that's happened with writers. Now. For me, I'm from

658
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: a place where like one writer's check that it is

659
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: right now can change my whole life and everybody's life

660
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: where I'm from. So it's hard for me to relate

661
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: as an individual, but as a body and a group

662
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 2: of people who are trying to set a standard so

663
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: that egregious acts aren't happening by people at the top.

664
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: I gotta support it. It's true. The math is mathing

665
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: is what.

666
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: It makes sense.

667
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: It makes sense why they're striking. It makes sense and

668
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: they need to.

669
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: So for you, is your stars filming put to.

670
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: A halt or did you already wear everything on the whole?

671
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you were. We're in the middle

672
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: of shooting, or like.

673
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Well, well we was literally the day I was supposed

674
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: to go back to shoot like they was like wait, wait, wait,

675
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: hold up. But a lot of the scripts were already written,

676
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: so we may still go.

677
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Back because everything's written right.

678
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: Which means we're technically and the clear for some of

679
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 2: those scripts. This is where it gets tricky when so

680
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: this is where it gets tricky because the most gangster

681
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: of all the unions is I at IATC and the

682
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: truckers like the truck.

683
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: Do driving the trucks.

684
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: They don't get equipment, but they have a we don't

685
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: cross picket lines policy. It's mandatory. It's game bag. So

686
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: even though they are contractually obligated to show up's work,

687
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: if WJ, SAG or DJA show up and they like

688
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: form a picket line at any production, they won't cross.

689
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: They ain't crossing it so the secret is and I'm

690
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: probably snitching too much, but it is what it is.

691
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: If they if we can get to you, were gonna

692
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: get on your ass, and they not crossing. So shit

693
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: gets stopped, you feel me? And that does affect everybody's

694
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: pocket because then nobody's working. Productions get slowed down. Things

695
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: ain't happening. I've been blessed enough to have been making

696
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: a massive pivot, or not even a pivot, but I

697
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: was doing music.

698
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Well, you can focus on music a little bit more now,

699
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got to you see, I got the man.

700
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: When I play this, I'm look, I'm baking all I

701
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: have on music. And it first it sounded stupid to

702
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: everyone around me because they don't understand. But when you

703
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: come from nothing, you roll in the dice. Bro, you

704
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: going in and now it looks like I'm brilliant because

705
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: my homies ain't working.

706
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: And you are on this other thing you got.

707
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: Correct, That's the beauty of being independent. Like I funded

708
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: my own ship, Bro, can't nobody tell me stop? And

709
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: quite frankly, like, okay, I'm in solidarity with the writers

710
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: and actors and all that, but this gives me time

711
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: to work on my own spec, my own movies, my

712
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: own music, my own TV, my own.

713
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: The show you're on, Is that the same show Joey

714
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Badass is on?

715
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: Yes it is. That's my brother. We got a We

716
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 2: got a record.

717
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: Too, how about say to you guys, got to do

718
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: a record.

719
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: We got a whole we got a whole type of shit.

720
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: He's a great actor.

721
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now he turned into a sex symble too.

722
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: You know, he got tired of rude show.

723
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I was at the fucking mall buying Colone and I'll

724
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: go to buy some cologne a little down and it's

725
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: fucking Joey Badass modeling Colonne.

726
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't wait till I get my on.

727
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: Can look and then rap Homie isom.

728
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: Debson had Calvin Klein. First thing I did was take

729
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: a picture of and be like, look at joe goopa.

730
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: I was so happy for him. And then you know,

731
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: Joey got pak over Bond. You know, the Homies is

732
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: really getting into these spaces. I'm like, I can't wait

733
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: to get my on. I might be a little too

734
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: rough though, but they they should look fly.

735
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay, You're part of the Power Universe, now, is there

736
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: power the universe? Snowfall.

737
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: What are we even talking about?

738
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Bro?

739
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: Like, you don't want me to answer that question because look,

740
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: first of all, I love fifth Fifth Fifth is a

741
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: beautiful Just let me do my shit, bo don't let

742
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: me get because look, I'm not scared of getting fired

743
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: and that's why everybody, that's why I don't do podcasts, right,

744
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: But I'm fucking with you, so I'm gonna tell you

745
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: the truth. Fifty No, I love him and he's built

746
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: something beautiful. He creates stars for sure. Movies don't create stars,

747
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: right like TV creates stars, and fifty be doing that.

748
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 2: So shout out to him. In my personal opinion, Power

749
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: did something interesting internationally and something that was accessible for

750
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: a large amount of people. But bar for bar, like

751
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: what were talking about, Snowfall is a bar for bar.

752
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: Snowfall is a different level. It's one of the Yeah, now,

753
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: if you ask me Snowfall versus Raising Kanan, We're gonna

754
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: have some conversations, okay, because Raising Kanan is top tier filmmaking,

755
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: Like shout out to Sasha Pin is different over there,

756
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: shout out to like my whole cast is like, look,

757
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: look it's tough because amen daancing you know, Gail Bean,

758
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: like they really go Isaiah, Like everybody over there go crazy,

759
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: even they're co stars. Like, right, even who plays Dampson's

760
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: mom is a legendary actors. Right, even the dude who

761
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: played his dad is a legendary. But when I talk

762
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: about Patina Miller, I love Dampson. Dampson is one of

763
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: the best young actors. We have Patina Miller, Tony Award

764
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: winning Miller, She's she might be one of the best.

765
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Win it's all said and done ever wow, and we

766
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: and everybody around her, Haley Kilgore, Tony nominated cry in every.

767
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Episode some real ass them Tony's is them real acting?

768
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm just it's.

769
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Different, bro. And you know, we got then, we got

770
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: Then we got London Brown, who's giving a cellar performance.

771
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: Then we have Makay Curtis. I'm the youngest thing on

772
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: our cast. Makai is murdering everyone in the Power Universe,

773
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: respect to everybody else. Mackay is acting. When you look

774
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: at him, you think he fifty crazy, that's a suburban

775
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: kid and numb fifty about him? In real life, y'all

776
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: hear him be like, that's fifty. It's different on that side.

777
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: The texture, the clothing, Frank, who does our clothing is different,

778
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: the texture is different. If you watch Bar for Bar,

779
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: it's close. Power might have them with Raisin Kane. Raisin Kane,

780
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: I think so.

781
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I be honestly, I am the most unhipped to the

782
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Power universe person alive.

783
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: It's not your fault. I'm gonna tell you the truth.

784
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I just never got stars. I never have the streaming,

785
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: and then I'm like a wire dude.

786
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Bro, I never watched Power until I was on it.

787
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never. In fact, I just I always like

788
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: I started to watch season one.

789
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: When you get into it, you're hooked.

790
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: So I watched the first two episodes of the first

791
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: season of Power and when the chick was like playing

792
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: with herself on the.

793
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Back seat crazy, that's the first episode. Bro, I was

794
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: just like, I was like, eh, imagine watching it.

795
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I swear by the Wire. That's my favorite show.

796
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: Ever because it's one of the best shows of all time.

797
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: And then Snowfall just sucked me in, Bro, Paul, that

798
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: shit was amazing.

799
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: But if we're being real, like my mom was on

800
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: the Wire is leaps and bounds better than snowballs.

801
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think the Wire is the best show ever.

802
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: It's top tier.

803
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: It's literally I think the Wire go ahead and then

804
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: sopranos are breaking bad.

805
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So I would go, see, I don't see me,

806
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: I go the Wire, and then I'd go I.

807
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Just think it's the Wire and everything else.

808
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: I think that we have to we have to. Yeah, essentially, it's.

809
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Like everything else, it's the Wire and then everything else.

810
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rome was pretty great, though I ain't go was

811
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: that wrong? Oh? You know, I never watched that was

812
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: HBOT got hitters, bro, they got hit all of them.

813
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Man, HBO for whatever reason that whatever's in the water

814
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: over there, Man, they don't fuck around when it comes

815
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: to their shows.

816
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: In the original Crazy No, it's crazy Homicide. Uh, the

817
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: the original network show that the creators of The Wire created,

818
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: which was Homicide Something, was actually one of the best

819
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: shows on television for years and.

820
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I never watched it, but I heard about it.

821
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: Was hard in West Wing Hard, you know, OZ was dope, Like, Yeah,

822
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: they got hitters. Like, but if we really talking about it,

823
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: Snowfall is really fun and it has great actors, you know,

824
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: but when it comes to the Wire is different.

825
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: So the thing about Snowfall is, let me know, because

826
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: you went on the show at this time when the

827
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: episode happens last season and they reback did with the

828
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: episode where everybody was fucked up at the wedding. I

829
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: loved that episode. But when the episode happens where they

830
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: get locked up in the basement and there's a fucking

831
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: was it a grizzly bear or a tiger something.

832
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: That's when they lost me. When that happened, I was

833
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: just like, Yeah, it went too far, but this is

834
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: what happens. Look, I'm not gonna speak too heavy on

835
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: that show because there's too many people I love and

836
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: care about benefiting from that show. And until I'm as

837
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: big as that show, I have nothing to say about

838
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: that show but love.

839
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: The writing guy. That was ridiculous.

840
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: That was ridiculous, and everybody can agree that was ridiculous.

841
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: So let's just leave it there because you never saw that, and.

842
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: I like the way it ended. I thought it ended well.

843
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: Season five was a nice which is hard to do

844
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: for a television. Season four was tough, though. When that happened.

845
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, wait a.

846
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: Minute, I'm gonna say no comment for her.

847
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: There's a random white dude living in the hood with

848
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: a fucking tiger in his fucking basement.

849
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Bro, no comment and they escaped. Listen. I think you

850
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: are speaking for the people. Yeah, but I also don't

851
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: want to make this a snowfall show.

852
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: There's my wife, right, because my wife she loved that shit.

853
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: But my wife like loves you know, she likes.

854
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: Like But that's what I mean. It's like, nobody, bro,

855
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: let's keep it a buck. Nobody watched The Wire when

856
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: was first out, except for drug dealers who sold drugs

857
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: and critics.

858
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: It was like the nerdy show. To Wise, it's almost yes, succession.

859
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Right now, yes, and then years later, I feel.

860
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: Like finally the general population are like getting hit to succession,

861
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: where like the TV nerds have kind of been hit

862
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: for like five years.

863
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the early adopters. It's like knowing and The

864
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Wire was like that.

865
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had to end for people to be like,

866
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: let me go back and get the DVD.

867
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,920
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868
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869
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871
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872
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873
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874
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875
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Speaker 1: It was a great entertaining job.

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Speaker 1: How involved it's fifty and like the day to day

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881
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,719
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883
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886
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887
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: we got attashed?

888
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: Has he listened to the music? Have you sent him

889
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: any records?

890
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh, fifty, fifty know what's up? Fifty know what's up?

891
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00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,200
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893
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894
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,600
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899
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900
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,879
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00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,839
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Speaker 2: you don't suck? Come on the show?

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00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: Do you for you? Musically? Like obviously being around fifteen

906
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: hundred or nothing in their start because they're legends. Yeah,

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00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning producers, be Necesse, they was teenager, they

908
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: got the school opens. Yeah, they're doing They're doing so much.

909
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: Who would you say just not even necessarily somebody you know,

910
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: but like sonically artists wise, would you say have the

911
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,720
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912
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: Like probably Shade, they need a baker and like oddly

913
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: enough bro Ch go to bars. Hey, Chico was a

914
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: hoodie like certain people.

915
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: I do believe go to bars. Yeah, is the son

916
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: Diddy's son's real dad? Right? What one of Diddy's sons

917
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: of whom one of Diddy's sons?

918
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: Oh hell no, actual fathers, Chico to Bar, you're tripping.

919
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about Albi Shore.

920
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: You might be right, and.

921
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about it's definitely a sure and

922
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: Quins don't kill me. If I let you rock with that.

923
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: Did to go to Albi Shore, then I'm tripping. But

924
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: to Bar they both like skin.

925
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Look at me making my nineties light skin RBC, You're like.

926
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: No, you're wrong, and this is and this is why

927
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: they need a nigga like me and R and B

928
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: because we can't let that.

929
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Chico to Bars need a Baker shot.

930
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: If I could be the street shot or like the

931
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: street shot, the ghetto tracy, that mean I'm good.

932
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I love that.

933
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: Just be like Frank Gohien popping in every now and

934
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: then they do great artists about That'd be awesome. That's

935
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: what I would like to do.

936
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Do you feel like R and B is like, I

937
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Speaker 1: feel like it's finally kind of getting into a really

938
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939
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940
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,319
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941
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,200
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942
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,480
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943
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: Leon Thomas like, come on, bro, let's be real. R

944
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: and B always had a bunch of people. This is

945
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: what happened. Everybody talks about Like, I know you were

946
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,560
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947
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,319
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948
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: I never thought that. I just think that it became

949
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of underground for a little bit.

950
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Well, underground just means it wasn't It wasn't the pretty

951
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: girl at the ball, you know what.

952
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you're not When you and I were

953
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,160
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954
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not the pretty girl at the bar.

955
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: It's coming around.

956
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: It turned thirty years old and game little wait. But

957
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: the reality is these young dudes, these young kids are

958
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: finding creative ways to have very interesting conversations around that music.

959
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: Like brit is an R and B artist, right, And

960
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: it's when you hear Sounder and you hear those records,

961
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,040
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962
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: You know, when you hear Leon Thomas go off, you're like, oh,

963
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: that's that's like it's the Angelo, but it's not like

964
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: it's something And these guys is really killing it. Man.

965
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of competition and there's it's a lot

966
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
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967
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously shouts to branch out to a scissor.

968
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Audum people and they're going crazy.

969
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: Challenger got a dope record on the radio right now.

970
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 2: I heard it's always been a great writer.

971
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we we lost the R.

972
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: And B group because yeah, well what we lost what.

973
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Were just groups? In general? There's no more groups.

974
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't like because the.

975
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Music industry sucks so much. He must have split up the.

976
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Power nobody because it doesn't make me sense.

977
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: It's like where it happened to a Jagged Edge twenty three.

978
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: There's no more jagget edgres. That's never Drew Hills none.

979
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: That's never gonna happen. We gonna see singular artists for

980
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: a long time because it just makes more financial sense.

981
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Speaker 1: It does.

982
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: One artist is a headache, and.

983
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: You know what, it never it never actually works out, no,

984
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985
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Speaker 2: That's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: But right now we got Blue Bucks Clan. Who's a duo.

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Speaker 2: They a duo, the niggasuntil I've seen two of them,

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Speaker 1: They're strong and I love them. I mean Shoreline Mafia

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00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
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Speaker 2: But you know why that happened, He SBRB, they broke up. Yeah,

1049
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: everybody breaking that. Fat boys break up now everybody they

1050
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1052
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Speaker 2: cultural shift. Also, the kid first of all, R and

1053
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: B is a reflection of whatever the state of love

1054
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,360
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1055
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,320
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1056
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: is that we're making now is what we what we wish,

1057
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: was what we used to think love was supposed to be.

1058
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: But that's why Brent Works says it works because it's

1059
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: what love looks like now, which isn't a fairy tale

1060
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Speaker 2: kind of It's not a fairy tale no more. It's

1061
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: what it is now. I think that the pendulum is

1062
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: going to swing to people desiring romance again. They gonna

1063
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: want those lush voices. They're gonna want the herd of

1064
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: the world to go crazy crazy, yeah crazy, But we're

1065
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Speaker 2: gonna start seeing more like I think vocalist again because

1066
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Speaker 2: there I think women want to fall in love again,

1067
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Speaker 2: and even me, I'm probably gonna lean more into like

1068
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,200
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1069
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm dealing with trauma, so I'm talking about

1070
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Speaker 2: my pastory ship. I just happened to croon. You know,

1071
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm not even really a singer. I'm a crooner. Like

1072
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: there's a difference. Yeah, it's a real difference, Like like

1073
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1074
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Speaker 1: I feel like Roddy Rich is like a crooner, like.

1075
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: He Roddy Rich is is a nigga who talks in melody.

1076
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: And he's also one of the best, so he's like

1077
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: it's so hard. He's amazing, amazing, He's one of my

1078
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: favorite arists of all time. He's made legendary records. He's

1079
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: made legendary records.

1080
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I always say, like even like I know a lot

1081
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: of people didn't like the second album, but I'm like,

1082
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: it's so hard for Roddy Rich to make bad music.

1083
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: It's it's like.

1084
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: But I think that's also part of the problem. Like

1085
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: your sophomore album after having that freshman of a debut.

1086
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Is crazy to have that software And that was a

1087
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: weird timing too, because the box popped off December twenty,

1088
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.

1089
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: But if we speak of the science. Right, The records

1090
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: that worked for Roddy were Southern records at first, until

1091
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: Muster and him had this song, So he was making

1092
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: Southern music.

1093
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's making Southern music.

1094
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's making Southern music until until Mustard did.

1095
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: You're from La, Because I do feel like if you

1096
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: think of the artists who have transcended outside of being

1097
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: West Coast.

1098
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: Artists, right, yeah, they don't make West Coast music, they

1099
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: don't make West coast.

1100
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: If we're talking about Hendrick, you think a school boy Q.

1101
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: You think of time he.

1102
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: Was accepted on the East coast first, r Tyler was

1103
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: accepted by white kids and mid La Marck.

1104
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: Q was doing records with Asaf Rocky Keydrick's Kendrick.

1105
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Look at their concerts at first, they'll tell you they're like,

1106
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: I'm sure that.

1107
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Tony Rich doesn't make traditionally West.

1108
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Coast no bro, because if you want to break out,

1109
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: it is like, first of all, even YG's first real

1110
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: record was a Southern record. My hit a Southern record,

1111
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: literally by your boy was a West Coast hitter, but

1112
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: it was a West call. I was in high school,

1113
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: but my hit had changed shit, and that wasn't if

1114
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: we being real, Yes, it's his record, but in real life,

1115
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: we know whose record that is. And by the way,

1116
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 2: that's no disrespect. YG built that ground.

1117
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: For sure, and my Crazy Life is a classic. And

1118
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: he's sleeping with Sweetie right now, so he's winning.

1119
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's not talk about it. Why are we

1120
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: doing it just because I got to see these people

1121
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. Don't put me in nobody,

1122
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Benness Kid, well, look you know Crazy Life for real. Hey,

1123
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: look shout out to shout out to your boy doing

1124
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: this thing. All I can say is that we all

1125
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: know that for you to break out, just like for

1126
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: rappers to be the biggest rappers on the game, for

1127
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: you to be top of the game, you have to

1128
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: make R and B songs for girls. We all know that.

1129
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: Every top that's it, that's the blueprint. It's not a question.

1130
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: The only way that Hove sees the top of the

1131
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: charts is making a song with a female demographic song.

1132
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think back in the day that

1133
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: might have been I think before the Street, because now

1134
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: they're streaming artists who who don't do that, don't depend

1135
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: on radio like you had before. You really kind of

1136
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: had to have something to appeal to women for video correct.

1137
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: But now it's like if you just have a fan

1138
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: base and like you're someone like Dirk, yeah, you could

1139
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: just put out Well, let's tons of crazy records.

1140
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about stream let's talk about it. That's keears

1141
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: A and B. What is the record that when he

1142
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: was moving the streets that women was like, oh I

1143
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: can listen to Dirk. It was Homebody?

1144
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: What about what's the what's the female Little Baby record?

1145
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

1146
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: You started off as close friends, we could go look

1147
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: at the number.

1148
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right close friends all the way.

1149
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: First of all, what is the hottest the second, if

1150
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: not the hottest record off of the new record is.

1151
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Friday? Friday so hard? His voice is crazy.

1152
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: He's the like I think everybody is like ailiation. Like,

1153
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: by the way, I love Friday. He's amazing voices. It's

1154
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: so dramatic. He's basically give on in the weekend put together. Yeah,

1155
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: everything just sounds.

1156
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: You put on that calid record. He sounds crazy.

1157
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: Bo Friday is my favorite artist. Like when he dropped

1158
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: his mixtape, I was like, Bro, I need that.

1159
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: I his voice is crazy.

1160
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: No, and by the way, my bad on comparison, I

1161
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: know new artists. That's that's his tone. Whatever he's doing

1162
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: is the thing that he deserves to do. I just

1163
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 2: think that stuff like that stands out. But once again,

1164
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you can avoid I think I'm going

1165
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: to be proven to be right that even though the

1166
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: landscape has changed, because you can have a niche market

1167
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: due to streaming if you want to win, if you want,

1168
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: if one ring to rule them almost the world of ring. Shit, God,

1169
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: you got to talk to the females because human even Roddy.

1170
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Roddy, things changed for him when he.

1171
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: That must the record went crazy.

1172
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: So for you, because we've seen it work with artists

1173
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: that might be known for something else, like Mac Wilde's

1174
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: is a great examples, you.

1175
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: Know Tristan, Yeah, that's my dog. My first Grammy nomination

1176
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: was on his album.

1177
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: Was there for you?

1178
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Like?

1179
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Are you noticing at least like you kind of it's

1180
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: a little harder for you to earn people's respect as

1181
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: an artists because they perceive you as an actor.

1182
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't care because I was a street

1183
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: nigga first, right, So like my respect doesn't come from

1184
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: and Tristan is a project baby first, Like people don't

1185
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: know that, Like, he just likes R and B music,

1186
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: so he does R and B shit, and he got

1187
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: an R and B voice. He can really sing, so

1188
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: that's what he liked. But if we're talking about how

1189
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: the market wants to receive you, of course they're gonna

1190
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: they want to see you how they want to see you.

1191
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: And I've been blessed enough and lucky enough to the

1192
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: kind of music that I think I'm making might be

1193
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: easier to digest with the people who watch me on

1194
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: screen because I'm talking about past situations.

1195
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: That are not too far away from the stuff.

1196
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: From the stuff that I kind of am in the

1197
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: world of Now, if I go make a pop record

1198
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: and I'm making records like like like, what's the face

1199
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: you just mentioned her? The one who who had that

1200
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: big record, the female artist that came out of nowhere, songwriter,

1201
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: what's her name? You just said a record? What's her name?

1202
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: She just had a big record, songwriter the hours, oh

1203
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: money Long. Remember she had that super poppy record that

1204
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: came out right after right, Like right, But that's not

1205
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: But if I did that, maybe my audience is that's

1206
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: not who following me, right, now right.

1207
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: That people who are following you, you're making them type

1208
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: of music that they might be like, oh shit.

1209
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard, like this may not because all

1210
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: I gotta do, really, bro, I look at everything as

1211
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: an opportunity, so like, all I gotta do is not suck.

1212
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: If I don't suck, people will be like, even if

1213
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: they want to hate, they're like, okay, oh like this

1214
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: all like that. I'm like, but if I keep going

1215
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: and it keeps working, it at some point, bro, you're

1216
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: gonna have to at least respect the grind.

1217
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy is like when you used

1218
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: to watch movies as like, like when I was a

1219
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: kid and you were probably were probably similar in age.

1220
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: The guys who would be like rapping on the movies

1221
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: or on the shows would also have music in the soundtrack.

1222
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: That's a fact almost all all the time.

1223
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: So you can get like, like the above, the.

1224
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 2: Rim soundtrack was hard.

1225
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: The soundtrack were crazy. It'd always be like, oh, the

1226
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: guy in the movie's got a song on the fucking soundtrack.

1227
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: That's act.

1228
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: So are you well, I mean, everyone's out of work,

1229
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: but like, obviously you're killing it in the TV game.

1230
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Are you actively like is the how different is the

1231
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: movie hustle and the TV hustle.

1232
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: The difference is, well, that's the thing is even the

1233
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: writers strike is about more so TV writers pay in

1234
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: TV writers' rooms and how they're being kind of like

1235
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: finessed out of a bag because of these predatory practices.

1236
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: The movie dudes are kind of like, we ain't tripping.

1237
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: We ain't tripping unless it say like you know what

1238
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying official telligence, like we're good and but that's

1239
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: not really but we're all in solidarity. I'm just telling

1240
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: you the truth. Like, so when I talk to because

1241
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: I got people like who are executives, who are film executives?

1242
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: TV executives, I'll talk to everybody, and people fuck with me,

1243
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: so I'll talk to them. I'd be like, what's the

1244
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: real you know, and everybody's kind of like, well, we're

1245
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: just waiting to see how it plays out. Movies, is

1246
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: you right aspect? You know, you could get hired on

1247
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: assignment to write a spect there's less steps than in

1248
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: the TV deal. When you do TV show, you gotta do.

1249
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: You got to do a blueprint before you get to

1250
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: the treatment, before you even get to the pilot, there's

1251
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: like five steps and they get to parcel out the

1252
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: money a little bit more. And also you're not getting

1253
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: paid as much unless you're popping so movies, I started

1254
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: off writing movies, you know, like UJ City.

1255
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: Too movie, because there's a budget already.

1256
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: They are this is development here, Hey, look like here,

1257
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: here's here's a certain amount of money and to develop.

1258
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 2: Now you still have steps. You still have to do

1259
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: a first draft, second draft, rewrite. They're old that they

1260
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: don't even have to pay you for the second steps

1261
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: if they don't want to, if they don't feel like

1262
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: you're doing what you're supposed to do, they'll just give

1263
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: it to another writer. You'll get second credit, and you

1264
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: don't get as much money on the royalties of backing.

1265
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: And that's if you get blessed enough to have a

1266
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: movie get made. But with TV writers, they kind of,

1267
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: I think they hope, they kind of string you on

1268
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more, and the money is parceled out

1269
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: a little bit longer, and it's more of a grind.

1270
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: It's more of a blue collar work. And so that's

1271
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: why it's kind of like that, it's.

1272
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: More of a thing. Every week you're in writer's room.

1273
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with the acting with an

1274
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: acting contract unless you're on well, I guess network isn't dead,

1275
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: but network is not the primary thing anymore. It's streamings

1276
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: like Netflix. You know you used to be you could

1277
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: be there. They're the most If you ever looked at

1278
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: the highest paid actors, it would always be like five

1279
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: people off in cis six like.

1280
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: Right Earth Friends or something right, it'd be something crazy

1281
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: on the six some hit TV show right because they're

1282
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: doing twenty two episodes and each episode are getting paid

1283
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: a hundreds and six hundred dollars.

1284
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: You know it's but you're doing so many episodes and

1285
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: then you do TV. TV is just instead of eight

1286
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: months out your year, excuse me, TV is like you're

1287
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: doing eight months out the year, six months out the

1288
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: year to shoot something. But for a movie maybe you're

1289
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Speaker 2: doing three to six or maybe two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also, like if you think about Netflix,

1291
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: you're like, for every Stranger Things, there's like one hundred

1292
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: other shows that aren't on that level and they just

1293
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Speaker 1: two seasons.

1294
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Speaker 2: And they just throwing bread. They trying to see what

1295
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: they're going off algorithm and shit, and that's cool. But

1296
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: for me, as it relates to me as a person

1297
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: who's trying to create, it's the same solution. All of

1298
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: these pieces can change. Bro. This is all just distractions

1299
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 2: for me, because at the end of the day, Bro,

1300
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: it's the name of the game of what you're doing.

1301
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Speaker 2: Right here, you work at an institution and you know

1302
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: that your leverage is limited there, just like head New,

1303
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: my leverage is limited there.

1304
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't work there anymore, all right? They run my show, said,

1305
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: they syndicate my show, but I record my show at

1306
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: the crib.

1307
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: Here, And what does that mean? You pay for it?

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00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Right because the simple conversation put up, I put up

1309
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: the risk, and then the show. They just picked up

1310
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: my show. So I'm on it all these markets and

1311
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't work for nobody.

1312
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Speaker 2: So when you ask me what's the difference, I'd say

1313
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: the only difference for me is what my mom and

1314
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: my daddy told what my mom and my daddy told me,

1315
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: which is, hey, look, if you pay for it, you

1316
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: own it. You can tell people what to do next.

1317
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Curious from your perspective, from somebody who's done so much

1318
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, what would be your advice for

1319
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: somebody who maybe has a good idea or maybe has

1320
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: put together like a great idea for a pilot or

1321
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: like a concept for a TV show, but they have

1322
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: zero relationships in the industry. What would be your advice

1323
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: to somebody like that, how to break in, how to

1324
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: get their script in the right hands, how to try

1325
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: to get some sort of movement in an industry that

1326
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: to me, it's just even living here. The movie industry,

1327
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: the TV industry, it feels unpenetratable. And I'm sure a

1328
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of people feel that way about the music industry.

1329
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: It's the same thing everything, It's all the same shit.

1330
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: The only difference is that, like there's more miracles in music,

1331
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: there's more happy accidents in music because the threshold to entry,

1332
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: the barrier the entry is a little love.

1333
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to go straight to the marketplace.

1334
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you could just like record in your bedroom

1335
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: SoundCloud and you're amazing, You're up. But with movies, it

1336
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: costs so much more to have a product that can

1337
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: compete with the other products that are on the assembly.

1338
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: So what I would say is this, first of all,

1339
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: the simple thing is what you're doing.

1340
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: Bro.

1341
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: It's like same thing that was told to me that

1342
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: I knew to do just like, go make your own shit,

1343
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 2: collaborate with people who are your superior, who are your

1344
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: peer group, and keep to bettering your craft, and invest

1345
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: in yourself and keep it manageable so that you're not

1346
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: encroaching them on your personal life. If you have responsibilities.

1347
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: If you don't have responsibilities, roll the fucking dice while

1348
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: you go in. If you do have responsibilities, please do

1349
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: not like unless you are unless you like Selena Daddy

1350
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: and you like fuck it, and you got a partner

1351
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: this with you like you know, I don't.

1352
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't someone their own pilot, right they do with that?

1353
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: Will they put it on YouTube? Would they shop it

1354
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: around with an agent?

1355
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: You could do that? That may work. I think that

1356
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: it's a low likelihood. I would say, take the same

1357
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: money that you would spend on a sixty page pilot,

1358
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: which is going to be you know, let's say how

1359
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: much money you would spend on that, and spend that

1360
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: same amount of money on a three to six or

1361
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: seven minutes short. They can display your idea or the

1362
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: fraction of your ideas, so that you can go get

1363
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: other people to invest what you need to go do

1364
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: what they need to do for people just need to

1365
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: see the idea look cool and work.

1366
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like getting a record deal. You

1367
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: have to find a production company that believes in the

1368
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: idea to bankroll how it should be done, or.

1369
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: You bankrolled it. Like I've found out what a lot

1370
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: of artists even quicker than them. Like I heard that

1371
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: they was recording in their basement and then they took

1372
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: their little demo type to whomever, and the person was like, Okay,

1373
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: this is something, We'll put more money in it because

1374
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: it looks like it may work. I'll invest equity with you.

1375
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: Same thing me and my team doing so it's all

1376
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: the same, bro. It's business is business. If you invest

1377
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: in your own shit, when it works, you get all

1378
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: the funds, but you also got to take the risk

1379
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: of falling on your ass. I don't advise people because

1380
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: I don't know their personal situations. All I can say is,

1381
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: if you want to do it, this is how you

1382
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: go about it. You got to bank on yourself, and

1383
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: you got to work with people who are both slightly

1384
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: above you and near you so that you can both

1385
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 2: improve and keep and keep your your community going.

1386
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: That's dope. June twenty third, Your EP is coming.

1387
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Street Journal Volume one got some cool features on it

1388
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: also got some dope music. Sticks and Stones is out

1389
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: right now, that's making motion. We on like three or four.

1390
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: Music video two?

1391
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah today for both of them songs.

1392
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: Your music video has gotta be crazy, right, Oh.

1393
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: You gonna see it. We get a part of years,

1394
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna go crazy.

1395
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else you have on the way obviously outside

1396
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: of music, I mean, I'm sure or Strike is kind

1397
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: of putting up a bit of a well.

1398
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: Listen, we still got the third season of Raisin Kanan

1399
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: coming out.

1400
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: It's already done.

1401
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been done that. We right what you ya now?

1402
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: Next summer, we don't know what's going on. I think

1403
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: that's coming out in the fall or something like that.

1404
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: They pushed it back. Don't quote me, but yeah, it's

1405
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: just be for right now.

1406
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: Anything else in the can that you filmed, it's on

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Speaker 1: the way.

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00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: Oh them season two, I wrote on I wrote on

1409
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Them season two, So that's coming. But I would still

1410
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: say the music right now is gonna save everybody life.

1411
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: I can go take care of my family. So do that.

1412
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Speaker 2: Go listen to streams, go streaming all that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and of course go check out the freestyle wor

1414
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Speaker 1: recorded too, except for YouTube.

1415
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's gonna be it, all right, man, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you for making me. Thanks for making me wrap care.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you. You're welcome, because now I'm gonna be rapping.

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