Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to the one and
Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our
Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. It was a tough
Speaker 1: night Thursday night at lambeau Field for the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: The first loss of the season. It comes to the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles by a final score of thirty four to seven.
Speaker 1: And it's not just the loss. It's not just the
Speaker 1: final score, but it's the chances you had. And the
Speaker 1: Packers had their opportunities two gold to go situations in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They come up empty on both of them.
Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's the NFL for you sometimes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially on Thursday night football. Remember I was talking to
Speaker 1: you about just the randomness of these games and credit
Speaker 1: where credit is due. I mean, I think Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: called heck of a football game. Carson Wentz showed exactly
Speaker 1: the type of franchise quarterback he is for Philadelphia's offense.
Speaker 1: And you know, Jordan Howard was able to come up
Speaker 1: and sort of break out a little bit in this game.
Speaker 1: All that being said, the Packers still had a chance
Speaker 1: to win it late. The defense, you know, there were
Speaker 1: issues there at times. Early on it was working with
Speaker 1: short fields after a couple of special teams breakdowns, and
Speaker 1: then later on the run games sort of wearing them down.
Speaker 1: But they did get the stop when they need to
Speaker 1: get it, and unfortunately for the Packers offense, two drives
Speaker 1: stalling deep inside Philadelphia's red zone. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you can't, as Matt Lafleur said, if you don't put
Speaker 1: points on the board in the red area, you either
Speaker 1: have to settle for field goals and or you know,
Speaker 1: mistouchdowns that that's ultimately going to come back to haunt you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The difference in the game, quite frankly, was the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles four for four in the red zone five for five,
Speaker 1: I guess if you count the touchdown from the twenty
Speaker 1: yard line where they weren't quite inside the twenty just yet,
Speaker 1: but five scoring opportunities five touchdowns. The Packers were three
Speaker 1: for seven in the red zone. They left eight points
Speaker 1: on the board in the first half when two red
Speaker 1: zone possessions stalled out and you had to kick field goals.
Speaker 1: And then, as we mentioned, the two goal to ghost
Speaker 1: situations in the fourth quarter, and um, you know, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: he's obviously been through these situations before. He's not going
Speaker 1: to beat himself up over it. But I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was a tough night going home knowing, as he said
Speaker 1: in the post game, with everything that had happened up
Speaker 1: to that point, and it shouldn't have come down necessarily
Speaker 1: to the play that it did. But with the criss
Speaker 1: cross by Darius Shepherd and Valdez Scantling, and Rodgers knows
Speaker 1: that if he had just held the ball a second longer,
Speaker 1: Shepherd's wide open in the corner because the Eagles completely
Speaker 1: converged their coverage on the slant with Valdez Scantling, and
Speaker 1: he tries for the slant, the ball gets deflected and
Speaker 1: it's intercepted, and and there you have it, and and
Speaker 1: you know, one of those it's like remember that game
Speaker 1: where he took the tablet and like throw it on
Speaker 1: the ground. I mean, that's kind of I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: what he felt like after the game because he knows
Speaker 1: that Shepard was open, the Eagles dropped him in coverage,
Speaker 1: it's not there, and uh, the Packers are three and
Speaker 1: one at the quarter pole, but uh, um, you know,
Speaker 1: a strange game. Really. Based on the first three games
Speaker 1: of the season compared to this one, it was like
Speaker 1: everything flipped around. The Packers defense suddenly starts showing a
Speaker 1: lot more leaks and a lot more holes and problems.
Speaker 1: The Packers offense gets a lot figured out. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: throws for over four hundred yards. Even with all the
Speaker 1: points they left out there, they still scored twenty seven,
Speaker 1: which isn't bad against a contending team like the Eagles.
Speaker 1: But one of those things Thursday night football, I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure how much you make out of it when
Speaker 1: it's a Thursday night in September and we're still really
Speaker 1: not into the meat of the season. Well, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: you take nothing out of it. I don't care if
Speaker 1: the Packers win this game or they lose it. I've
Speaker 1: never drawn any conclusions from watching Thursday night football because
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's unnatural. I've always said it's
Speaker 1: not true balls. One of the things I wrote an inbox.
Speaker 1: You want to win the game, obviously, and it counts
Speaker 1: the same as all the rest, And it counts the
Speaker 1: same as all the rest. But in terms of great
Speaker 1: you know, drawing any big conclusions from it when loser
Speaker 1: draw I've never done that. Now. A couple of things
Speaker 1: that you mentioned are interesting to this UM. I mentioned
Speaker 1: this to Pete Doherty, my former colleague at the Press Becausette,
Speaker 1: when we were leaving. It is interesting how the NFL
Speaker 1: ultimately does pull everything back to equilibrium, though, and the
Speaker 1: Packers defense was flying high through those first three games.
Speaker 1: You have a game like this where Whence kind of
Speaker 1: slips through the grasp of Zadarius Smith, the Packers just
Speaker 1: weren't quite able to get home with them. They weren't
Speaker 1: able to force that takeaway that had been so I
Speaker 1: don't want to say easy, but they had been just
Speaker 1: seemed like they were coming so naturally for the defense
Speaker 1: for the first three games. They didn't get that extra,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of boost that it had been looking
Speaker 1: for when it gets into the red area where they
Speaker 1: defended two of those with interceptions in the end zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that shift of momentum that the defense had been providing
Speaker 1: in all of these games, whether it was by a takeaway,
Speaker 1: whether it was by a stop on a short field,
Speaker 1: those were the things that were not happening for the
Speaker 1: Packers on Thursday, exactly. And and you know, I still
Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to the defense though, man
Speaker 1: the fact that they only gave up seven points or
Speaker 1: whatever it was in the second half. They held their
Speaker 1: ground in some really unique situations I should say, I
Speaker 1: think it was fourteen seven points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Be that as it may. Uh, they were able to
Speaker 1: kind of pull together when they needed to to keep
Speaker 1: the Packers within one score. The biggest I don't want
Speaker 1: to say tragedy, but you know, sort of travesty and
Speaker 1: this is it was a phenomenal performance from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was every bit the m v P
Speaker 1: quarterback that Packers fans have grown a custom to see
Speaker 1: and over the last decade in this game, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't able to be sort of stamped with
Speaker 1: that victory. I mean, you think about the touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Graham and the way he was evading some
Speaker 1: of the uh you know, the pass rush um and
Speaker 1: you know, much have been made about his scrambling ability
Speaker 1: ended up having you know, a few big scrambles in
Speaker 1: this game for forty five yards too, And and some
Speaker 1: of his throws on the run, those those were the
Speaker 1: darts you know on the move that that we've grown
Speaker 1: a cuss him to seeing from Rogers over the years.
Speaker 1: I thought, I agreed, you thought. I thought the way
Speaker 1: he moved his feet, both when he scrambled and when
Speaker 1: he made plays out of the pocket, this was this
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a turn back the clock
Speaker 1: to the to the Aaron Rodgers we've seen in other years,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that's a good sign for the Packers moving forward.
Speaker 1: He was exceptional, I mean, spreading the ball around. Eight
Speaker 1: different receivers caught a pass. Davante Adams had a major
Speaker 1: game ten catches for eight yards, a career high. Unfortunate
Speaker 1: for him, ends up suffering that toe injury late in
Speaker 1: the ball game. So the Packers have to go on
Speaker 1: both of those deep red zone trips, uh those goal
Speaker 1: to ghost situations without their two time Pro Bowl receiver
Speaker 1: Um but just Rogers being able to sort of keep
Speaker 1: the offense moving. And they knew at some point that
Speaker 1: if you play enough football games, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: day where the defense needs to you to pick them up,
Speaker 1: even though they've been off to such a great start,
Speaker 1: And I thought Rogers really did that to keep them
Speaker 1: in this one. Yeah, well, Davante Adams. We had heard
Speaker 1: a lot during the week about the Packers wanting to
Speaker 1: get the ball to add him is more. Rogers talked
Speaker 1: about it. Adams certainly talked about it as well. Ten
Speaker 1: catches for a hundred and eighty yards. Unfortunately, he leaves
Speaker 1: midway through the fourth quarter with a toe injury, and
Speaker 1: he's not on the field for the four goal to
Speaker 1: go place from the one yard line and for the
Speaker 1: final drive when the Packers once again got down inside
Speaker 1: the five. Obviously, you lament that situation because if you
Speaker 1: have your best pass catcher, your best offensive weapon on
Speaker 1: the field there, you gotta think you're at least getting
Speaker 1: that game tied on one of those possessions. But uh um,
Speaker 1: But just the way the game went, Hopefully this injury,
Speaker 1: this toe injury to Davante Adams is not a serious thing.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's something he can uh um, he can play
Speaker 1: through and isn't going to miss any time. But we'll
Speaker 1: just have to find out next week war things stand
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, he gets ten days to get right
Speaker 1: here before this Dallas game, and he mentioned they're gonna
Speaker 1: take a look at it today after the game. You know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a he wasn't wearing a shoe on there,
Speaker 1: so I didn't even want to try it, you know,
Speaker 1: just just being safe and being smart, and certainly, you know,
Speaker 1: felt disappointed he wasn't able to be out there for them,
Speaker 1: because even if it isn't him catching the touchdown pass,
Speaker 1: you talk about the Darius Shepherd play. With all due
Speaker 1: respect to Darius Shepherd, he's been a really nice player
Speaker 1: early on here. If that's Davante Adams coming free, they're
Speaker 1: not going to let them go there. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: send two guys at mvs. They're gonna have, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody or a safety somebody you know, had with their
Speaker 1: attention on Adams. Philadelphia, you know, to their defensive credit,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were working through a ton of injuries
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I mean they were down to third, fourth,
Speaker 1: and fifth stringers by the end of that game, and
Speaker 1: they had practice squad guys on the field in goal
Speaker 1: to go there in the in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 1: to their credit, they held up. Yeah, And the thing
Speaker 1: that was interesting about this in so many ways, it
Speaker 1: was the game I think you and I both expected.
Speaker 1: It was very difficult to run against that front, but
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the passing game was able to get
Speaker 1: their momentum moving and you know, able to you know,
Speaker 1: extend the ball. I think it ended up being four
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one and four and sixty total yards
Speaker 1: no fo this game fourner and forty two ye or
Speaker 1: four and twenty two yards passing excuse me for Rogers.
Speaker 1: He only had the one sack, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a real testament that offensive line. With Brian Bulaga going
Speaker 1: out before halftime, Alex Light had to finish up there.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of adversity for both sides, and
Speaker 1: you know, for the Packers perspective, um just not quite
Speaker 1: enough to you know, put those final points on the
Speaker 1: board to extend this thing into overtime. Yeah. Well, the
Speaker 1: Packers defense, we had talked about it the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Teams have been running the ball and the Packers,
Speaker 1: but the great equalizer had been the takeaways. And I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that we saw in this game.
Speaker 1: A couple of things that I'll that I'll point out
Speaker 1: here at least what's been going through my mind. One
Speaker 1: is that Carson Wentz, without question, the best quarterback the
Speaker 1: Packers have faced so far this year. And guess what,
Speaker 1: Elite quarterbacks don't give the ball away as much as
Speaker 1: lesser quarterbacks in this league do. So you lost that
Speaker 1: great equalizer with the takeaway. Like we talked about before.
Speaker 1: The other thing, obviously, in any quarterback, whether you're Arson
Speaker 1: Wentz or anybody else, when you have a running game
Speaker 1: that's doing what the Philadelphia Eagles running game was doing,
Speaker 1: that's going to help a quarterback stay in complete command
Speaker 1: of what's going on in the field. But the other
Speaker 1: thing I'll say is defensively, this just felt like a
Speaker 1: game that it started out poorly, not necessarily the defense's fault,
Speaker 1: but then it's snowballed. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: is special teams gave up a long kickoff return, the
Speaker 1: Eagles take advantage of the short field to get a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Then you have a kickoff that goes out of bounds.
Speaker 1: They get the ball in the forty yard line, they
Speaker 1: only have to go sixty yards for a touchdown. Then
Speaker 1: they get the strip sack of Rogers back in the
Speaker 1: red zone only seventeen yards. They get a touchdown there.
Speaker 1: Three touchdowns are given up. The Eagles have twenty points
Speaker 1: on the board, yet those three touchdown drives barely covered
Speaker 1: a hundred yards because of field position. But then, but
Speaker 1: then the snowball effect happens in the second half, where
Speaker 1: then suddenly the Eagles are putting together the seventy five
Speaker 1: yard touched on drives. They do that twice in the
Speaker 1: second half and um and then when the Packers defense
Speaker 1: has that opportunity with the Eagles on the one yard
Speaker 1: line after the failed fourth and goal, yes they got
Speaker 1: the stop, but the Eagles drove fifty yards and got
Speaker 1: out to midfield before that stop occurred. And that was
Speaker 1: another another big factor in this game, even though the
Speaker 1: Eagles didn't get points on that drive. So it just
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like a snowball type of game
Speaker 1: for the defense. That you just wonder if the field
Speaker 1: position is not such a big factor in the first half,
Speaker 1: if ultimately at the end of the day that point
Speaker 1: total the Eagles end up with is a little bit different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately to Mike, I mean, no one
Speaker 1: in the locker room is going to say this. Everybody's
Speaker 1: going to say that they were well prepared for this,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think mentally in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases they were. But you also have to recognize the
Speaker 1: fact of how this defense is structure right now. The rotations,
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't gone incredibly deep yet. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been asking a lot of these guys to play,
Speaker 1: you know, a significant amount of snaps. Even in this game.
Speaker 1: I think there was what eight guys with over fifty
Speaker 1: of the sixty two defensive snaps. When you have that,
Speaker 1: you're on short rest, it's difficult to keep gas the
Speaker 1: tank um And I don't want to try to make
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make excuses, but I just think
Speaker 1: that this was not for this particular defense and the
Speaker 1: way the Packers are playing it right now, it was
Speaker 1: not advantageous to go up against an opponent like Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz in that running game after what they saw on
Speaker 1: Sunday from the Broncos. Be that as it may, Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there were opportunities there, you know, four big
Speaker 1: plays and they just weren't able quite able to get it.
Speaker 1: Some of that is due to Carson Wentz being six
Speaker 1: five and two thirty pounds or two aren't forty pounds
Speaker 1: whatever he is, and you know, some of it, you
Speaker 1: know is some you know opportunities down field too that
Speaker 1: they just weren't able to capitalize on. The biggest issue
Speaker 1: um at the end of the day is just as
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not able to stop the run
Speaker 1: consistently on those first two downs, the third downs become
Speaker 1: more of a situation, more of a problem. There was
Speaker 1: only two technical explosive plays for the Philadelphia in this
Speaker 1: game of more than twenty yards, but they were just
Speaker 1: able to gash them in the teens. And you know,
Speaker 1: they did what they needed to do to capitalize on
Speaker 1: the opportunities that they had. Yeah, well, those a lot
Speaker 1: of third down situations, a lot of third and shorts
Speaker 1: for the Eagles because of the way they were running
Speaker 1: the ball. Carson Wentz converted a couple of third and
Speaker 1: ones with just simple quarterback sneaks and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they were able to keep the ball in those cities.
Speaker 1: And that's a heck of a quarterback sneak. I mean,
Speaker 1: I challenge any defensive front in the NFL with the
Speaker 1: with how long he is and how big he is.
Speaker 1: I thought Packers did about just about anything they could,
Speaker 1: including almost forcing a fumble with your Alexander running to
Speaker 1: the end zone. But it's just I mean, with the
Speaker 1: way that that offensive structured, and again it's a credit
Speaker 1: to Doug Peterson to having those guys ready. They know
Speaker 1: how to win when Carson Wentz is their quarterback, and
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, it's a real dangerous combination. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball for the Packers,
Speaker 1: as frustrating as those last two fourth quarter drives were
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and again it is Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: The Eagles were dealing with plenty of stuff on defense,
Speaker 1: but at least the Packers got Aaron Rodgers into a rhythm.
Speaker 1: He was looking comfortable out there doing his thing, looking
Speaker 1: like the old Aaron Rodgers. And at least, if there's
Speaker 1: something you're gonna take away from this game that you
Speaker 1: can really hone in on, it's that the Packers know
Speaker 1: the red zone and the gold to ghost stuff is
Speaker 1: really what you have to work on. Now. I mean
Speaker 1: they've they've at least they've at least gotten to wear
Speaker 1: in a game like this against a pretty darn good team.
Speaker 1: They were able to move the ball up and down
Speaker 1: the field without a problem. Now it's just a matter
Speaker 1: how many points are you going to get out of
Speaker 1: those opportunities, because that's where they fell short on Thursday.
Speaker 1: And one thing I want to throw back on you
Speaker 1: very quickly here, and not to throw you on the spot,
Speaker 1: but there was something that a lot of people made,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of noise about on Twitter after
Speaker 1: the game, and it was the fact, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the double conversion onto MBS and you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: contact earlier not this. The reason I want to bring
Speaker 1: this up quickly is because I think I've been I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this all night long. There is an
Speaker 1: invasive species aspect to this change that they've made with
Speaker 1: defensive past infer question about inference, and I don't feel
Speaker 1: like the NFL at this point in time is capable
Speaker 1: of handling it. I know that sounds kind of weird,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I agree with you there,
Speaker 1: you know. And and it was interesting that before he
Speaker 1: even said, because he was asked about did you consider
Speaker 1: taking one of the time out skim a little bit
Speaker 1: more time, he mentioned all that. I mean, they had
Speaker 1: their their mind made up. There seems to me that they, Okay,
Speaker 1: they opened up this can of worms because of the
Speaker 1: Saints play, and you know, they want to be able
Speaker 1: to eliminate that stuff. But it's almost like anything else
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear about it. We saw with
Speaker 1: the NBS well and and the point I'll make west
Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, but this is what I said
Speaker 1: in Insider inbox for the column this morning that went
Speaker 1: up on the website. The language of the past interference
Speaker 1: replay review clear and obvious is the standard, okay, now
Speaker 1: to me, the past play down the sideline to m
Speaker 1: VS that Matt Lafleur challenged, that looked like pretty clear
Speaker 1: and obvious past interference, but they don't call it. The
Speaker 1: one that the Eagles challenged looks pretty clear and obvious.
Speaker 1: That Kevin King's hand knox el Shan Jeffrey's arm out
Speaker 1: of the way before the ball gets there, and he
Speaker 1: can't catch the ball because he gets an arm taken away.
Speaker 1: That looks pretty clear and obvious. They don't call that one.
Speaker 1: The it looks like Valde's scantling basically gets bear hugged
Speaker 1: as he's running the slant and he has enough he
Speaker 1: can't move his arms, so the ball bounces off of
Speaker 1: the pile of people and goes up in the air.
Speaker 1: So to me, what what I feel, And this is
Speaker 1: what I said in the column. It was it's as
Speaker 1: though the standard being applied is a word more like
Speaker 1: flagrant or blatant and clear and obvious, it was not
Speaker 1: what was being applied when looking at in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's not what was being applied and looking at the replays.
Speaker 1: So if you're not if clear and obvious is not
Speaker 1: what's being applied, then you need to change the language
Speaker 1: of the rule because those plays when when we have
Speaker 1: the technology as we do today to slow things down
Speaker 1: frame by frame, whether you're talking bang bang plays at
Speaker 1: first base in baseball which get overturned all the time
Speaker 1: now because they're missed, and when you can look at
Speaker 1: it frame by frame, it is obvious you stop it
Speaker 1: at a certain frame whether that guy is out or safe.
Speaker 1: You can do the same thing now with past interference.
Speaker 1: If you want to look at it frame by frame
Speaker 1: and freeze it, you can tell if that contact is
Speaker 1: clear and obviously clearly and obviously preventing the player from
Speaker 1: catching the ball. And but it doesn't seem like that's
Speaker 1: the standard that's being applied. So I agree with your
Speaker 1: original point. The NFL has has opened this can of worms.
Speaker 1: They've come up with this language of this rule, but
Speaker 1: they don't they don't seem to be capable of handling
Speaker 1: it and applying it in a way that the rest
Speaker 1: of us can understand. And then just I think my
Speaker 1: biggest issue. I know there's some people make comments about
Speaker 1: this too if you actually just follow, and I'm not
Speaker 1: just talking about the Packers, you follow it really the
Speaker 1: NFL and how they've been officiating these things and how
Speaker 1: they're reviewing these Everything seems like it's a case by
Speaker 1: case basis. There isn't a standard for what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what do you look at on this play?
Speaker 1: And to their defense, I mean, there is some subjectiveness
Speaker 1: to this. No past, no play is going to look
Speaker 1: just like another play, but there also doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be any consistency either. And be honest with you, Mike,
Speaker 1: I feel like, even though they made these changes to
Speaker 1: try to make things more clear and obvious, I think
Speaker 1: the only thing and and this is a this is
Speaker 1: a judgment by the way that's coming from the New
Speaker 1: York office. It seems to me like the real call
Speaker 1: now is it's just it's lent more credence in weight
Speaker 1: to what the original call was on the field, So
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like Okay, the referees technically don't have
Speaker 1: a say in it anymore in terms of what the
Speaker 1: final decision will be. But boy, that initial you know
Speaker 1: call on the field is going to be what you know,
Speaker 1: New York isn't gonna do much to overturn that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that's what I've been saying for years,
Speaker 1: is that the more technically you want to get with
Speaker 1: replay and replay reviews, I don't quite understand, frankly, why
Speaker 1: you're going to give the call in the field that
Speaker 1: much weight, because those calls on the those calls on field,
Speaker 1: the what the what the officials are seeing are not
Speaker 1: that's not being helped by technology. You've got the better
Speaker 1: technology now to officiate it properly, but yet you're still
Speaker 1: giving all of the weight to call on the It
Speaker 1: strikes me as a flawed system. And when you look
Speaker 1: at this past interfereence stuff we saw in the Minnesota
Speaker 1: game in Week two, the Packers benefited a touchdown by
Speaker 1: the Vikings is wiped out when they review it and
Speaker 1: they see offensive past interference. The game last night, there
Speaker 1: is an offensive past interference called when the Eagles score
Speaker 1: a touchdown and then the review takes it away. And
Speaker 1: then on the play where Jordan Howard is all alone
Speaker 1: running down the sideline for a twenty yard reception, Blake
Speaker 1: Martinez got picked off right in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get over there to handle his assignment. He's
Speaker 1: looking around, like, where's the past interference called? Well, it's
Speaker 1: a scoring play, so it was automatically reviewed. They obviously
Speaker 1: weren't interested in calling offensive past interference there to wipe
Speaker 1: out that touchdown. So here we are. You got the
Speaker 1: overturn that was made in week two, and the calls
Speaker 1: and the non calls that are made in week four.
Speaker 1: It's still in September, and and there's no there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason as you say, to what's going on,
Speaker 1: and it is every single play is like a case
Speaker 1: by case basis. I think that's a great way to
Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, and when you know, because people say
Speaker 1: now you know, you see people on Twitter like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna get overturned. I never say that about
Speaker 1: any play no more, because I just don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing that in the in in the live blog
Speaker 1: during the game, I'll just say I don't know how
Speaker 1: this one's gonna go, folks, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really don't. We gotta go. But I want to mention
Speaker 1: to Jamal Williams. I know, obviously a scary situation with him. Um,
Speaker 1: it appears by all accounts he's gonna be okay. I
Speaker 1: know he was held overnight for some observation. I had
Speaker 1: some tweets that he put out there saying that you know,
Speaker 1: he's in good spirits. He's I think one of them
Speaker 1: he said, like the only thing that's hurting is like
Speaker 1: his his not ego, but like his like it's like
Speaker 1: there's nothing to be ashamed about on that play. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he's it's it's almos. It's almost as though his pride
Speaker 1: has been pride. It's like how he has he has
Speaker 1: no reason, he has no reason to feel that way whatsoever,
Speaker 1: not with what happened to him on that play. And
Speaker 1: there's an argument that Derek Barnett, who ended up getting
Speaker 1: the strip sack, which was a huge play in the game,
Speaker 1: there's an argument that he shouldn't have been on the field.
Speaker 1: There's some reports though, and I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is true. I mean, there's some real credible, you know
Speaker 1: journalists that are putting this out there that the league
Speaker 1: office had set out a memo saying that he wasn't
Speaker 1: ejected because he turned his shoulder. I mean he didn't.
Speaker 1: He like, like he tried to turn his shoulder last
Speaker 1: minute his helmet collided with Jamal Williams while by the way,
Speaker 1: williams helmet was being held. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: but hopefully you know, everything is good with Jamal Williams.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about I just hope. I just
Speaker 1: hope he's all right. And and uh Maddox the dB
Speaker 1: for Philadelphia as well, even though it was his own
Speaker 1: teammate that took him out in that situation, certainly he
Speaker 1: hates his I mean, two guys being taken off on stretchers.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's too too many. And to see it
Speaker 1: both in the same night that it certainly gives you pause. No,
Speaker 1: it definitely does. And I mean for Jamal Williams, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean again the point I was gonna make. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just a fun, loving, care free kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Into his credit. I mean, I think the first thing
Speaker 1: he put on Instagram was actually a well wishes to
Speaker 1: Matics before he ever provided any you know, any update
Speaker 1: on himself. I mean hoping that he was gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: A terrible situation from that perspective, but you hope both
Speaker 1: of those guys, you know this, this won't be a
Speaker 1: lingering issue for them going forward. Yeah, one thing I
Speaker 1: want to run past you before we go. I know Marvin,
Speaker 1: our producer, says, we gotta get going. But Week four
Speaker 1: in the NFL on Sunday, you got Bears, Vikings, you
Speaker 1: got Lions, Chiefs, you got Cowboys Saints on Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: Which which game you got your eye on the sharpest?
Speaker 1: The Cowboys and Saints is the one, because you know
Speaker 1: how difficult it is going into the Superdome. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: there is some strength of scheduled questions with what Dallas
Speaker 1: has faced so far. There's gonna be none of that
Speaker 1: with this game in New Orleans. I know they're not
Speaker 1: playing without Teddy Teddy. They are playing with Teddy bridge Water.
Speaker 1: They're playing without Drew Brees right now. But Bridgewater really
Speaker 1: looks solid in that game and playing with his own
Speaker 1: crown behind him, I think that's gonna be a really
Speaker 1: difficult matchup for Dallas. And let's be honest, too, I
Speaker 1: mean Detroit, you give them credit where credits due there
Speaker 1: to zero and one at this point, but a very
Speaker 1: difficult task with Patrick Mahomes and and they get they
Speaker 1: get the Chiefs at home, and the way things are
Speaker 1: right now, I mean, if the Lions can pull off
Speaker 1: that game at Ford Field, they'd be three oh and
Speaker 1: one and they would be in first place at the
Speaker 1: quarter pole. The Packers at three and one will be
Speaker 1: tied with whoever wins between the Vikings and the Saints. Technically,
Speaker 1: the Packers would obviously have the tie breaker at this
Speaker 1: point because they haven't played two games against those division
Speaker 1: rivals yet. The rematches are yet to come, but but
Speaker 1: should be an interesting Sunday of football. Oh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. And then you have the Patriots and the
Speaker 1: Bills both three and o in their division, and just say,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun contests across the board.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you know there's some gut checks
Speaker 1: here coming up in me Cleveland going into Baltimore right
Speaker 1: now at one and two. Um, definitely a tough week
Speaker 1: for some of these teams. Yeah, alright, with that, we
Speaker 1: will call it a rap on this edition of Packers unscripted.
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