1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to the one and 3 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. It was a tough 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: night Thursday night at lambeau Field for the Green Bay Packers. 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: The first loss of the season. It comes to the 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles by a final score of thirty four to seven. 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: And it's not just the loss. It's not just the 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: final score, but it's the chances you had. And the 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Packers had their opportunities two gold to go situations in 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They come up empty on both of them. 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: And that's uh, that's the NFL for you sometimes, Yeah, 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: especially on Thursday night football. Remember I was talking to 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: you about just the randomness of these games and credit 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: where credit is due. I mean, I think Doug Peterson 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: called heck of a football game. Carson Wentz showed exactly 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: the type of franchise quarterback he is for Philadelphia's offense. 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: And you know, Jordan Howard was able to come up 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: and sort of break out a little bit in this game. 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: All that being said, the Packers still had a chance 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: to win it late. The defense, you know, there were 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: issues there at times. Early on it was working with 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: short fields after a couple of special teams breakdowns, and 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: then later on the run games sort of wearing them down. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: But they did get the stop when they need to 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: get it, and unfortunately for the Packers offense, two drives 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: stalling deep inside Philadelphia's red zone. And you know, if 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: you can't, as Matt Lafleur said, if you don't put 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: points on the board in the red area, you either 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: have to settle for field goals and or you know, 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: mistouchdowns that that's ultimately going to come back to haunt you. Yeah. 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: The difference in the game, quite frankly, was the Philadelphia 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Eagles four for four in the red zone five for five, 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I guess if you count the touchdown from the twenty 35 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: yard line where they weren't quite inside the twenty just yet, 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: but five scoring opportunities five touchdowns. The Packers were three 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: for seven in the red zone. They left eight points 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: on the board in the first half when two red 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: zone possessions stalled out and you had to kick field goals. 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: And then, as we mentioned, the two goal to ghost 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: situations in the fourth quarter, and um, you know, Aaron Rodgers, 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: he's obviously been through these situations before. He's not going 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: to beat himself up over it. But I'm sure it 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: was a tough night going home knowing, as he said 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: in the post game, with everything that had happened up 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: to that point, and it shouldn't have come down necessarily 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: to the play that it did. But with the criss 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: cross by Darius Shepherd and Valdez Scantling, and Rodgers knows 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: that if he had just held the ball a second longer, 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Shepherd's wide open in the corner because the Eagles completely 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: converged their coverage on the slant with Valdez Scantling, and 52 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: he tries for the slant, the ball gets deflected and 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: it's intercepted, and and there you have it, and and 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: you know, one of those it's like remember that game 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: where he took the tablet and like throw it on 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: the ground. I mean, that's kind of I'm sure that's 57 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: what he felt like after the game because he knows 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: that Shepard was open, the Eagles dropped him in coverage, 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: it's not there, and uh, the Packers are three and 60 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: one at the quarter pole, but uh, um, you know, 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a strange game. Really. Based on the first three games 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: of the season compared to this one, it was like 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: everything flipped around. The Packers defense suddenly starts showing a 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: lot more leaks and a lot more holes and problems. 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: The Packers offense gets a lot figured out. Aaron Rodgers 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: throws for over four hundred yards. Even with all the 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: points they left out there, they still scored twenty seven, 68 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: which isn't bad against a contending team like the Eagles. 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: But one of those things Thursday night football, I'm not 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: really sure how much you make out of it when 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: it's a Thursday night in September and we're still really 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: not into the meat of the season. Well, first and foremost, 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: you take nothing out of it. I don't care if 74 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: the Packers win this game or they lose it. I've 75 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: never drawn any conclusions from watching Thursday night football because 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's unnatural. I've always said it's 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: not true balls. One of the things I wrote an inbox. 78 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: You want to win the game, obviously, and it counts 79 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: the same as all the rest, And it counts the 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: same as all the rest. But in terms of great 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, drawing any big conclusions from it when loser 82 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: draw I've never done that. Now. A couple of things 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: that you mentioned are interesting to this UM. I mentioned 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: this to Pete Doherty, my former colleague at the Press Becausette, 85 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: when we were leaving. It is interesting how the NFL 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: ultimately does pull everything back to equilibrium, though, and the 87 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: Packers defense was flying high through those first three games. 88 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: You have a game like this where Whence kind of 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: slips through the grasp of Zadarius Smith, the Packers just 90 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: weren't quite able to get home with them. They weren't 91 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: able to force that takeaway that had been so I 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: don't want to say easy, but they had been just 93 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: seemed like they were coming so naturally for the defense 94 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: for the first three games. They didn't get that extra, 95 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: you know, sort of boost that it had been looking 96 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: for when it gets into the red area where they 97 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: defended two of those with interceptions in the end zone. Yeah, 98 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: that shift of momentum that the defense had been providing 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: in all of these games, whether it was by a takeaway, 100 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: whether it was by a stop on a short field, 101 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: those were the things that were not happening for the 102 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: Packers on Thursday, exactly. And and you know, I still 103 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to the defense though, man 104 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: the fact that they only gave up seven points or 105 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: whatever it was in the second half. They held their 106 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: ground in some really unique situations I should say, I 107 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: think it was fourteen seven points in the fourth quarter. 108 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: Be that as it may. Uh, they were able to 109 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: kind of pull together when they needed to to keep 110 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: the Packers within one score. The biggest I don't want 111 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: to say tragedy, but you know, sort of travesty and 112 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: this is it was a phenomenal performance from Aaron Rodgers. 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: I mean, he was every bit the m v P 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: quarterback that Packers fans have grown a custom to see 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: and over the last decade in this game, and unfortunately, 116 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: it just wasn't able to be sort of stamped with 117 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: that victory. I mean, you think about the touchdown pass 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Graham and the way he was evading some 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: of the uh you know, the pass rush um and 120 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, much have been made about his scrambling ability 121 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: ended up having you know, a few big scrambles in 122 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: this game for forty five yards too, And and some 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: of his throws on the run, those those were the 124 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: darts you know on the move that that we've grown 125 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: a cuss him to seeing from Rogers over the years. 126 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: I thought, I agreed, you thought. I thought the way 127 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: he moved his feet, both when he scrambled and when 128 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: he made plays out of the pocket, this was this 129 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a turn back the clock 130 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: to the to the Aaron Rodgers we've seen in other years, 131 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully that's a good sign for the Packers moving forward. 132 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: He was exceptional, I mean, spreading the ball around. Eight 133 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: different receivers caught a pass. Davante Adams had a major 134 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: game ten catches for eight yards, a career high. Unfortunate 135 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: for him, ends up suffering that toe injury late in 136 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: the ball game. So the Packers have to go on 137 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: both of those deep red zone trips, uh those goal 138 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: to ghost situations without their two time Pro Bowl receiver 139 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: Um but just Rogers being able to sort of keep 140 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: the offense moving. And they knew at some point that 141 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: if you play enough football games, there's gonna be a 142 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: day where the defense needs to you to pick them up, 143 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: even though they've been off to such a great start, 144 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: And I thought Rogers really did that to keep them 145 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: in this one. Yeah, well, Davante Adams. We had heard 146 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot during the week about the Packers wanting to 147 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: get the ball to add him is more. Rogers talked 148 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: about it. Adams certainly talked about it as well. Ten 149 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: catches for a hundred and eighty yards. Unfortunately, he leaves 150 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: midway through the fourth quarter with a toe injury, and 151 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: he's not on the field for the four goal to 152 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: go place from the one yard line and for the 153 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: final drive when the Packers once again got down inside 154 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the five. Obviously, you lament that situation because if you 155 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: have your best pass catcher, your best offensive weapon on 156 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 1: the field there, you gotta think you're at least getting 157 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: that game tied on one of those possessions. But uh um, 158 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: But just the way the game went, Hopefully this injury, 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: this toe injury to Davante Adams is not a serious thing. 160 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's something he can uh um, he can play 161 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: through and isn't going to miss any time. But we'll 162 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: just have to find out next week war things stand 163 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, he gets ten days to get right 164 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: here before this Dallas game, and he mentioned they're gonna 165 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: take a look at it today after the game. You know, 166 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have a he wasn't wearing a shoe on there, 167 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: so I didn't even want to try it, you know, 168 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: just just being safe and being smart, and certainly, you know, 169 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: felt disappointed he wasn't able to be out there for them, 170 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: because even if it isn't him catching the touchdown pass, 171 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: you talk about the Darius Shepherd play. With all due 172 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: respect to Darius Shepherd, he's been a really nice player 173 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: early on here. If that's Davante Adams coming free, they're 174 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: not going to let them go there. They're not gonna 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: send two guys at mvs. They're gonna have, you know, 176 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: somebody or a safety somebody you know, had with their 177 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: attention on Adams. Philadelphia, you know, to their defensive credit, 178 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they were working through a ton of injuries 179 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: in the secondary. I mean they were down to third, fourth, 180 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: and fifth stringers by the end of that game, and 181 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: they had practice squad guys on the field in goal 182 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: to go there in the in the fourth quarter, and 183 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: to their credit, they held up. Yeah, And the thing 184 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: that was interesting about this in so many ways, it 185 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: was the game I think you and I both expected. 186 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: It was very difficult to run against that front, but 187 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the passing game was able to get 188 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: their momentum moving and you know, able to you know, 189 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: extend the ball. I think it ended up being four 190 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: hundred and forty one and four and sixty total yards 191 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: no fo this game fourner and forty two ye or 192 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: four and twenty two yards passing excuse me for Rogers. 193 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: He only had the one sack, which I thought was 194 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: a real testament that offensive line. With Brian Bulaga going 195 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: out before halftime, Alex Light had to finish up there. 196 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of adversity for both sides, and 197 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: you know, for the Packers perspective, um just not quite 198 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: enough to you know, put those final points on the 199 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: board to extend this thing into overtime. Yeah. Well, the 200 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: Packers defense, we had talked about it the last couple 201 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: of weeks. Teams have been running the ball and the Packers, 202 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: but the great equalizer had been the takeaways. And I 203 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: think one of the things that we saw in this game. 204 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: A couple of things that I'll that I'll point out 205 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: here at least what's been going through my mind. One 206 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: is that Carson Wentz, without question, the best quarterback the 207 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: Packers have faced so far this year. And guess what, 208 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Elite quarterbacks don't give the ball away as much as 209 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: lesser quarterbacks in this league do. So you lost that 210 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: great equalizer with the takeaway. Like we talked about before. 211 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: The other thing, obviously, in any quarterback, whether you're Arson 212 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: Wentz or anybody else, when you have a running game 213 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: that's doing what the Philadelphia Eagles running game was doing, 214 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: that's going to help a quarterback stay in complete command 215 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: of what's going on in the field. But the other 216 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: thing I'll say is defensively, this just felt like a 217 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: game that it started out poorly, not necessarily the defense's fault, 218 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: but then it's snowballed. And what I mean by that 219 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: is special teams gave up a long kickoff return, the 220 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: Eagles take advantage of the short field to get a touchdown. 221 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: Then you have a kickoff that goes out of bounds. 222 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: They get the ball in the forty yard line, they 223 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: only have to go sixty yards for a touchdown. Then 224 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: they get the strip sack of Rogers back in the 225 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: red zone only seventeen yards. They get a touchdown there. 226 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Three touchdowns are given up. The Eagles have twenty points 227 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: on the board, yet those three touchdown drives barely covered 228 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: a hundred yards because of field position. But then, but 229 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: then the snowball effect happens in the second half, where 230 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: then suddenly the Eagles are putting together the seventy five 231 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: yard touched on drives. They do that twice in the 232 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: second half and um and then when the Packers defense 233 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: has that opportunity with the Eagles on the one yard 234 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: line after the failed fourth and goal, yes they got 235 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: the stop, but the Eagles drove fifty yards and got 236 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: out to midfield before that stop occurred. And that was 237 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: another another big factor in this game, even though the 238 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Eagles didn't get points on that drive. So it just 239 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: felt like it felt like a snowball type of game 240 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: for the defense. That you just wonder if the field 241 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: position is not such a big factor in the first half, 242 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: if ultimately at the end of the day that point 243 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: total the Eagles end up with is a little bit different. Yeah, 244 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately to Mike, I mean, no one 245 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: in the locker room is going to say this. Everybody's 246 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: going to say that they were well prepared for this, 247 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: and you know, I think mentally in a lot of 248 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: cases they were. But you also have to recognize the 249 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: fact of how this defense is structure right now. The rotations, 250 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, they haven't gone incredibly deep yet. You know, 251 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: they've been asking a lot of these guys to play, 252 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, a significant amount of snaps. Even in this game. 253 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: I think there was what eight guys with over fifty 254 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: of the sixty two defensive snaps. When you have that, 255 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: you're on short rest, it's difficult to keep gas the 256 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: tank um And I don't want to try to make 257 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make excuses, but I just think 258 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: that this was not for this particular defense and the 259 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: way the Packers are playing it right now, it was 260 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: not advantageous to go up against an opponent like Carson 261 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Wentz in that running game after what they saw on 262 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: Sunday from the Broncos. Be that as it may, Uh yeah, 263 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean there were opportunities there, you know, four big 264 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: plays and they just weren't able quite able to get it. 265 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Some of that is due to Carson Wentz being six 266 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: five and two thirty pounds or two aren't forty pounds 267 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: whatever he is, and you know, some of it, you 268 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: know is some you know opportunities down field too that 269 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: they just weren't able to capitalize on. The biggest issue 270 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: um at the end of the day is just as 271 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're not able to stop the run 272 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: consistently on those first two downs, the third downs become 273 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: more of a situation, more of a problem. There was 274 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: only two technical explosive plays for the Philadelphia in this 275 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: game of more than twenty yards, but they were just 276 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: able to gash them in the teens. And you know, 277 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: they did what they needed to do to capitalize on 278 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: the opportunities that they had. Yeah, well, those a lot 279 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: of third down situations, a lot of third and shorts 280 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: for the Eagles because of the way they were running 281 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: the ball. Carson Wentz converted a couple of third and 282 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: ones with just simple quarterback sneaks and and uh, you know, 283 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: they were able to keep the ball in those cities. 284 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: And that's a heck of a quarterback sneak. I mean, 285 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: I challenge any defensive front in the NFL with the 286 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: with how long he is and how big he is. 287 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: I thought Packers did about just about anything they could, 288 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: including almost forcing a fumble with your Alexander running to 289 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: the end zone. But it's just I mean, with the 290 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: way that that offensive structured, and again it's a credit 291 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: to Doug Peterson to having those guys ready. They know 292 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: how to win when Carson Wentz is their quarterback, and 293 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: when he's healthy, it's a real dangerous combination. Yeah. Well, 294 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball for the Packers, 295 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: as frustrating as those last two fourth quarter drives were 296 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: and everything like that, and again it is Thursday night football. 297 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: The Eagles were dealing with plenty of stuff on defense, 298 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: but at least the Packers got Aaron Rodgers into a rhythm. 299 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: He was looking comfortable out there doing his thing, looking 300 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: like the old Aaron Rodgers. And at least, if there's 301 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: something you're gonna take away from this game that you 302 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: can really hone in on, it's that the Packers know 303 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: the red zone and the gold to ghost stuff is 304 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: really what you have to work on. Now. I mean 305 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: they've they've at least they've at least gotten to wear 306 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: in a game like this against a pretty darn good team. 307 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: They were able to move the ball up and down 308 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the field without a problem. Now it's just a matter 309 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: how many points are you going to get out of 310 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: those opportunities, because that's where they fell short on Thursday. 311 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: And one thing I want to throw back on you 312 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: very quickly here, and not to throw you on the spot, 313 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: but there was something that a lot of people made, 314 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of noise about on Twitter after 315 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: the game, and it was the fact, as you mentioned, 316 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the double conversion onto MBS and you know, maybe the 317 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: contact earlier not this. The reason I want to bring 318 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: this up quickly is because I think I've been I 319 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: was thinking about this all night long. There is an 320 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: invasive species aspect to this change that they've made with 321 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: defensive past infer question about inference, and I don't feel 322 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: like the NFL at this point in time is capable 323 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: of handling it. I know that sounds kind of weird, 324 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I agree with you there, 325 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: you know. And and it was interesting that before he 326 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: even said, because he was asked about did you consider 327 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: taking one of the time out skim a little bit 328 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: more time, he mentioned all that. I mean, they had 329 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: their their mind made up. There seems to me that they, Okay, 330 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: they opened up this can of worms because of the 331 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: Saints play, and you know, they want to be able 332 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: to eliminate that stuff. But it's almost like anything else 333 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: they don't want to hear about it. We saw with 334 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: the NBS well and and the point I'll make west 335 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, but this is what I said 336 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: in Insider inbox for the column this morning that went 337 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: up on the website. The language of the past interference 338 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: replay review clear and obvious is the standard, okay, now 339 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: to me, the past play down the sideline to m 340 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: VS that Matt Lafleur challenged, that looked like pretty clear 341 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: and obvious past interference, but they don't call it. The 342 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: one that the Eagles challenged looks pretty clear and obvious. 343 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: That Kevin King's hand knox el Shan Jeffrey's arm out 344 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: of the way before the ball gets there, and he 345 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: can't catch the ball because he gets an arm taken away. 346 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: That looks pretty clear and obvious. They don't call that one. 347 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: The it looks like Valde's scantling basically gets bear hugged 348 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: as he's running the slant and he has enough he 349 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: can't move his arms, so the ball bounces off of 350 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: the pile of people and goes up in the air. 351 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: So to me, what what I feel, And this is 352 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: what I said in the column. It was it's as 353 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: though the standard being applied is a word more like 354 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: flagrant or blatant and clear and obvious, it was not 355 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: what was being applied when looking at in my opinion, 356 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: that's not what was being applied and looking at the replays. 357 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: So if you're not if clear and obvious is not 358 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: what's being applied, then you need to change the language 359 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: of the rule because those plays when when we have 360 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: the technology as we do today to slow things down 361 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: frame by frame, whether you're talking bang bang plays at 362 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: first base in baseball which get overturned all the time 363 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: now because they're missed, and when you can look at 364 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: it frame by frame, it is obvious you stop it 365 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: at a certain frame whether that guy is out or safe. 366 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: You can do the same thing now with past interference. 367 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: If you want to look at it frame by frame 368 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: and freeze it, you can tell if that contact is 369 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: clear and obviously clearly and obviously preventing the player from 370 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: catching the ball. And but it doesn't seem like that's 371 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: the standard that's being applied. So I agree with your 372 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: original point. The NFL has has opened this can of worms. 373 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: They've come up with this language of this rule, but 374 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: they don't they don't seem to be capable of handling 375 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: it and applying it in a way that the rest 376 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: of us can understand. And then just I think my 377 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: biggest issue. I know there's some people make comments about 378 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: this too if you actually just follow, and I'm not 379 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: just talking about the Packers, you follow it really the 380 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: NFL and how they've been officiating these things and how 381 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: they're reviewing these Everything seems like it's a case by 382 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: case basis. There isn't a standard for what they're looking for. 383 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what do you look at on this play? 384 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: And to their defense, I mean, there is some subjectiveness 385 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: to this. No past, no play is going to look 386 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: just like another play, but there also doesn't seem to 387 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: be any consistency either. And be honest with you, Mike, 388 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: I feel like, even though they made these changes to 389 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: try to make things more clear and obvious, I think 390 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: the only thing and and this is a this is 391 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: a judgment by the way that's coming from the New 392 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: York office. It seems to me like the real call 393 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: now is it's just it's lent more credence in weight 394 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: to what the original call was on the field, So 395 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: it's it's almost like Okay, the referees technically don't have 396 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: a say in it anymore in terms of what the 397 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: final decision will be. But boy, that initial you know 398 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: call on the field is going to be what you know, 399 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: New York isn't gonna do much to overturn that. Yeah, 400 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that's what I've been saying for years, 401 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: is that the more technically you want to get with 402 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: replay and replay reviews, I don't quite understand, frankly, why 403 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: you're going to give the call in the field that 404 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: much weight, because those calls on the those calls on field, 405 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: the what the what the officials are seeing are not 406 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: that's not being helped by technology. You've got the better 407 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: technology now to officiate it properly, but yet you're still 408 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: giving all of the weight to call on the It 409 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: strikes me as a flawed system. And when you look 410 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: at this past interfereence stuff we saw in the Minnesota 411 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: game in Week two, the Packers benefited a touchdown by 412 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: the Vikings is wiped out when they review it and 413 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: they see offensive past interference. The game last night, there 414 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: is an offensive past interference called when the Eagles score 415 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: a touchdown and then the review takes it away. And 416 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: then on the play where Jordan Howard is all alone 417 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: running down the sideline for a twenty yard reception, Blake 418 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: Martinez got picked off right in the middle of the field. 419 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: He couldn't get over there to handle his assignment. He's 420 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: looking around, like, where's the past interference called? Well, it's 421 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: a scoring play, so it was automatically reviewed. They obviously 422 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: weren't interested in calling offensive past interference there to wipe 423 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: out that touchdown. So here we are. You got the 424 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: overturn that was made in week two, and the calls 425 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: and the non calls that are made in week four. 426 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: It's still in September, and and there's no there's no 427 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: rhyme or reason as you say, to what's going on, 428 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: and it is every single play is like a case 429 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: by case basis. I think that's a great way to 430 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, and when you know, because people say 431 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: now you know, you see people on Twitter like, oh, 432 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna get overturned. I never say that about 433 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: any play no more, because I just don't know what 434 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing that in the in in the live blog 435 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: during the game, I'll just say I don't know how 436 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: this one's gonna go, folks, you know, I mean, I 437 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: really don't. We gotta go. But I want to mention 438 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: to Jamal Williams. I know, obviously a scary situation with him. Um, 439 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: it appears by all accounts he's gonna be okay. I 440 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: know he was held overnight for some observation. I had 441 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: some tweets that he put out there saying that you know, 442 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: he's in good spirits. He's I think one of them 443 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: he said, like the only thing that's hurting is like 444 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: his his not ego, but like his like it's like 445 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: there's nothing to be ashamed about on that play. And yeah, 446 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: he's it's it's almos. It's almost as though his pride 447 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: has been pride. It's like how he has he has 448 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: no reason, he has no reason to feel that way whatsoever, 449 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: not with what happened to him on that play. And 450 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: there's an argument that Derek Barnett, who ended up getting 451 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: the strip sack, which was a huge play in the game, 452 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: there's an argument that he shouldn't have been on the field. 453 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: There's some reports though, and I don't know if this 454 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: is true. I mean, there's some real credible, you know 455 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: journalists that are putting this out there that the league 456 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: office had set out a memo saying that he wasn't 457 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: ejected because he turned his shoulder. I mean he didn't. 458 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: He like, like he tried to turn his shoulder last 459 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: minute his helmet collided with Jamal Williams while by the way, 460 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: williams helmet was being held. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's yeah, whatever, 461 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: but hopefully you know, everything is good with Jamal Williams. 462 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about I just hope. I just 463 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: hope he's all right. And and uh Maddox the dB 464 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: for Philadelphia as well, even though it was his own 465 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: teammate that took him out in that situation, certainly he 466 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: hates his I mean, two guys being taken off on stretchers. 467 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: I mean, that's too too many. And to see it 468 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: both in the same night that it certainly gives you pause. No, 469 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: it definitely does. And I mean for Jamal Williams, you know, 470 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean again the point I was gonna make. I mean, 471 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: he's just a fun, loving, care free kind of guy. 472 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Into his credit. I mean, I think the first thing 473 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: he put on Instagram was actually a well wishes to 474 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: Matics before he ever provided any you know, any update 475 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: on himself. I mean hoping that he was gonna be okay. 476 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: A terrible situation from that perspective, but you hope both 477 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: of those guys, you know this, this won't be a 478 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: lingering issue for them going forward. Yeah, one thing I 479 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: want to run past you before we go. I know Marvin, 480 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: our producer, says, we gotta get going. But Week four 481 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL on Sunday, you got Bears, Vikings, you 482 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: got Lions, Chiefs, you got Cowboys Saints on Sunday Night Football. 483 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Which which game you got your eye on the sharpest? 484 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: The Cowboys and Saints is the one, because you know 485 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: how difficult it is going into the Superdome. But more importantly, 486 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: there is some strength of scheduled questions with what Dallas 487 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: has faced so far. There's gonna be none of that 488 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: with this game in New Orleans. I know they're not 489 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: playing without Teddy Teddy. They are playing with Teddy bridge Water. 490 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: They're playing without Drew Brees right now. But Bridgewater really 491 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: looks solid in that game and playing with his own 492 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: crown behind him, I think that's gonna be a really 493 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: difficult matchup for Dallas. And let's be honest, too, I 494 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: mean Detroit, you give them credit where credits due there 495 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: to zero and one at this point, but a very 496 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: difficult task with Patrick Mahomes and and they get they 497 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: get the Chiefs at home, and the way things are 498 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: right now, I mean, if the Lions can pull off 499 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: that game at Ford Field, they'd be three oh and 500 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: one and they would be in first place at the 501 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: quarter pole. The Packers at three and one will be 502 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: tied with whoever wins between the Vikings and the Saints. Technically, 503 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: the Packers would obviously have the tie breaker at this 504 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: point because they haven't played two games against those division 505 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: rivals yet. The rematches are yet to come, but but 506 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: should be an interesting Sunday of football. Oh, it's gonna 507 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: be great. And then you have the Patriots and the 508 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: Bills both three and o in their division, and just say, 509 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun contests across the board. 510 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you know there's some gut checks 511 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: here coming up in me Cleveland going into Baltimore right 512 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: now at one and two. Um, definitely a tough week 513 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: for some of these teams. Yeah, alright, with that, we 514 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: will call it a rap on this edition of Packers unscripted. 515 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 516 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: team on packers dot com, subscribe to us, like us 517 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: on iTunes and other podcast services. You can find him 518 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: on Twitter at west Hod, I'm at Mike Spofford at 519 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. 520 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.