1 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome my favorite murder, the Mini. 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Sooad that's right, I said that dramatic. 3 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: You did it great? 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Did you like it? 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: I did? 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Should I say, give you more of an upbeat? 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Take sure? 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: Try it again the minisode. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Hey, I felt terrible, didn't it? 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: That was horrible? Should we go back to one? 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, the mini? So there you go. I'm gonna let 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: you go first, since we're such a pro with that. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I appreciate the condescension. Okay, this is 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: quite an email I have for you right now. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Do you know about this one? 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: There's no way. 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: There's no way you could know. 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what I know, and I don't know 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: what I don't know. 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: I was just wondering if they're like Karen's got the email, 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: if they had to warn you about about this beforehand. 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: The subject line of this emails I was in a 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: networking group with the Gilgo Beach serial killer. That's why 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: I asked. So this is an email from twenty twenty four. 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 3: This case feels like it's been going on. 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: For sixty years. 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: The when it just broke. 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just pled guilty. 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: So this says, hey, you two In January twenty sixteen, 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: right when you started the podcast. I switched careers from 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 3: a deeply unhappy corporate cog to starting my own professional 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: organizing business. Oh my god, amazing Hanny dot com. Just like, 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: get a little plug in there. I think that would 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: be so satisfying. 35 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I did that yesterday and it was 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: my beauty stuff. I kind of done it for fucking hours. 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: An hour you spring cleaned your makeup. 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Basically shameful and fulfilling. At the same time. 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: You have to put a little bag aside for the 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: people whose skin tone your makeup actually is four when 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: you bought it and were like, and now I can never. 42 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: Use this again. 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Everyone gets something. 44 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Okay, So cut to present day. I'm incredibly 45 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: happy and proud of the company I have built, and 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: I'm fortunate enough to love my clients and my work. 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: Switching careers is no joke. So the first few years 48 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 3: were filled with anxiety, awkwardness, mistakes, and questioning if I 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: made the right choice. 50 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: Hearing your lovely rants and tales of woe. 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: Consistently twice a week helped really get me through those 52 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: growing pains years. So I can't thank you enough for that. 53 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: That's all the podcast has been tales of woe and rants. Yeah, 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: perfectly encapsulated. What you guys have to give is so 55 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: special and I'm grateful to enjoy it. 56 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: But back to it. 57 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: I belong to a networking group in New York City 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: for my organizing business. It's a great group of professionals 59 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: who take what they do very seriously, but not themselves, 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: a perfect combination. I was pumped when an architect joined. 61 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: I've worked with lots of architects in the past to 62 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: help design more organized and efficient spaces for my clients. 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: When I first met him, I will admit I felt 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: a little wary because he was missing a front tooth 65 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: the fuck, But the more I got to know him, 66 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: he proved to be sweet, likable, professional, and just an 67 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: overall nice guy. I, along with the other members of 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: the group, attended lots of meetings, happy hours, and coffees 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: with him. I'd countless email exchanges and calls with him 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: over a cool project he wanted my help on from 71 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: one of his famous filmmaker clients, storage rooms that needed decluttering. 72 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: So a year ago, when I pulled up the news 73 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: and saw his face and name on every headline to say, 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: I was shocked. 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: Is the understatement of the century. 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Like someone you know regularly professionally that's fucking is a serial. 77 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Killer a serial killer. 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: It also points back to like you know them but 79 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: from the internet. We all have that, Like it's a 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: different but we're used to it, so it's kind of like, well, yeah, 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: we like the same things. 82 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know each other. 83 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: The normal you can. Yeah. 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: It turns out that Appy was none other than Rex Yureman, 85 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: the Gilgo Beach serial killer. All the members of my 86 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: group started getting calls from reporters asking for comments about 87 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: how we were feeling, knowing we had been doing business 88 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: with an actual serial killer. You know that professional picture 89 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: of him floating around the internet with his arms crossed. 90 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: He only got that photo taken because my group kept 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: teasing him about how he had. 92 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: No pictures of himself. 93 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: The president of my group even called that his law 94 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: and order pose the irony is too much to handle. 95 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've felt wrecked by the thought of 96 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: the combination of deep sadness and relief for the families 97 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: of the victims. As the news of his arrest has 98 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: come out, friends and family keep asking if I've ever 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: suspected anything, ever felt threatened or weird around him. Whenever 100 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: I hear stories of serial killers who operate in plain saiday, 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: I always think, how could no one in his life know? 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: There must be something off that people are ignoring. But 103 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: the thing is I didn't feel threatened. I didn't notice 104 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: anything off because these men are psychopaths that perfect living 105 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: double lives. But he's also no mastermind. I think he's 106 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: just a coward who targeted sex workers as he deemed 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: these women less than. But these victims were not less than. 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: They didn't deserve to be senselessly murdered and heinously discarded. 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: I hope he receives the maximum punishment for robbing these 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: women of their lives and their families of their peace. 111 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: Stay sexy and don't do business for serial killers. 112 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Katie m. 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 3: And then here's just a quick update, because when Katie 114 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: sent this email, only three of the victims he had 115 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: been arrested for their murders, and now that there's a 116 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: longer list, we figured we'd save all the names till 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: the end. On April eight, Rex Huerman pled guilty to 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: the murders of seven women, Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy Amberlin Costello, 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: Moreen Brainerd Barnes, Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor, and Sondra Castia. 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: He admitted to killing an eighth woman, Karen Vergotta, though 121 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: he has not been formally charged with her murder. 122 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Wow, and doesn't it make you think like it's so 123 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: inconspicuous you would never know. So is there someone that 124 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: you know that maybe isn't a serial killer, but that 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: has that piece. 126 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 3: Of them that totally doesn't care and has no empathy 127 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: and is truly cut off that way? 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: Who could it be? Which is like, fine, if you 129 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: don't fucking kill people, you can, like we all have 130 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: different personality issues, but Jesus. 131 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean and also just that we have gotten 132 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: to this point where now, which is such a relief 133 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: where people get to write in and go, hey, I 134 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: did business with this totally totally just like the Ted 135 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: Bundy story. 136 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: So scary. Yeah, okay, I'm not going to read you 137 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: the subject line. Hi, MFM gang and it's furry associates. 138 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: I recently listened to your episode about the sleepwalking murderer, 139 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: and I decided to share my sleepwalking story. I could 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: have just read you this subject line. It's the sleep walking. 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: Story, I thought, I was being really clever, You're going 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: to save it, and they immediately ruined the secret. 143 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: I think I was around eight or nine when this happened. 144 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in Vacaville, California, which is where Paul 145 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: Holes is from hashtag got for Holes, and my childhood 146 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: home was on a very busy street. One night, someone 147 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: came flying around the corner and my brother's car was 148 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: side swiped. The driver fled the scene, but my brother 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: saw that the vehicle was a large maroon suv. Knowing 150 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that the driver's car would have extensive damage, my brother 151 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: made flyers and posted them around town. This was before 152 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: the days of social media, hoping someone would have information 153 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: for him. A few days later, while my family was 154 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: enjoying a day on the lake with some friends, my 155 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: brother got a call from a guy who said his 156 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: neighbor drives a maroon suburban and the passenger side of 157 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the car was torn up. Ooh, the guy gave my 158 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: brother his address. Oh this the neighbor is a fucking narc. 159 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: He's just like, here go solve that problem. 160 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: This blast Metallica had fucking midnight. Here we go. 161 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you can do. 162 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Fair enough, be cool to your neighbors and they'll fucking 163 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: nark on you. That's right. The guy gave my brother 164 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: his address, and he told him that the car was 165 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: parked in the driveway next door. Does My brother ran 166 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: to tell my mom and she said that we would 167 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: drive by the house on our way home from the lake. 168 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: We got into town super late, and I was asleep 169 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: in the back seat. I was still in my bathing 170 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: suit and I had my beach towel wrapped around me. 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: We pulled up to the house where the vehicle was parked, 172 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and my mom whipped out a camera to snap some pictures. 173 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: This is when camera phones were just becoming a thing, 174 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure she ended up using a disposable 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: camera from Walgreens or some shit like that. Oh, bring 176 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: them back. 177 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: I wonder if that's what people used to do for 178 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: like accidents and stuff like keep a disposable camera in 179 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: your car. 180 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: Motorcycle riders do that, do they? Really? They did that? 181 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: Yes, back when it was before go pro. 182 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: Saw a guy getting a fucking gnarly motorcycle accident. I 183 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: got out and went over to him, and he goes 184 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: hey on the ground, like after he woke up. Hey, 185 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: there's a fucking disposable camera under my seat. Use the 186 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: whole roll, get everything. Oh and I fucking r I 187 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: just remembered this part of the story, Like I knew 188 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: about that, but I forgot about that part. 189 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: That's so weird. 190 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: And I just fucking and I had. I was driving 191 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: my best bud at the time, so I was like, 192 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: I got you. 193 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were a motorbike friend. Yeah, so wait a second, 194 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: you came upon this accident. 195 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: It happened directly in front of me. Like, so you 196 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: were a witness? Yeah, shit, he was. Okay, I hope, 197 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe not. 198 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: I stuck my phone number in his backpack. Okay, he 199 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: never called me. Well he was in the hospital with 200 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: all four limbs in the air. 201 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Come on, okay, Well, my mom and brother were going 202 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: full Vogue cover shoot on the suburban. I slipped out 203 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: of the back seat and up the walkway of our 204 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: random house a few doors down. I must have thought 205 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: that we were home. I opened the front door, and 206 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: this is where I vaguely remember walking into a house 207 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: that smelled like smoke. However, I was so tired that 208 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: I laid down on the couch and fell back asleep. 209 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: I remember that the living room was arranged exactly like 210 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: hours at home, and they had their TV on. I 211 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: awoke a few minutes later to the sound of a 212 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: blood curdling scream coming from outside. My mom was absolutely 213 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: losing her shit. She thought I was kidnapped and was 214 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: screaming my name up and down the block. I remember 215 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: waking up and looking around wondering where the hell I was. 216 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: I walked right out the front door, left it wide open, 217 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: and yelled to my mom, I'm right here. She was 218 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: crying and completely freaking out. The next morning, I told 219 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: my mom that we had to go back to the 220 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: house because I left my favorite beach towel on their 221 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: living room couch. We went back and told the people 222 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: who lived there what happened. They thought it was hilarious. 223 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that is hilarious, and they missed the whole thing. 224 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then they came out and the door is 225 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: wide open, and there's a towel on the floor, like 226 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: what happened. 227 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: And their dog, Rusty ran away. 228 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Rusty. All of that could have been avoided if one 229 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: the asshole never hit my brother's car and fled the scene, 230 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: and two those people locked their fucking doors Luckily, everyone 231 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: ended up fine. I was safe, I got my favorite 232 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: beach towel back, and my brother ended up getting money 233 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: for the damage the guy caused to his car. Nice, Nice, 234 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: stay sexy, don't flee the scene of a crime, and 235 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: lock your fucking doors so people don't sleep walk into 236 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: your living room. 237 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 3: Audrey, this is such a close neighborhood. They're like, we 238 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 3: caught him, get over here, and then I'm on in 239 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: and I'm just go to sleep on your neighbor's couch. Oh, 240 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: that's so that's so funny. If you woke up and 241 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: you were like us, you're a twelve year old like us, 242 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: where it's like someone's been here, and then you start 243 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: taking pictures of the inside of your house. I'll read 244 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 3: you this subject line since it works. I was robbed, 245 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: it prom dearest Darling ist Karen and Georgia. In episode 246 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: four seventy five, Karen told us about the time she 247 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: was robbed by a lady in the sunglasses store on 248 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: Hollywood Boulevard. Remember that one, Yeah, when she was like 249 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: a hat a twenty sticking out of my pocket, but 250 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: I forgot yeah, and she. 251 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: Was like hello. 252 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: This reminded me of something that happened to me at 253 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: senior prom and the year two thousand and three. I've 254 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: just turned so this was some time ago, but you 255 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: never forget this kind of thing. While we all had 256 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: this aerotypical prom, like every other school in America, all 257 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: the parents of seniors joined together to plan something called 258 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: Snap Senior Night after Prom, where they literally rented out 259 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: a Dave and Busters from eleven PM to eight am 260 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: as a ployee to keep all of us from partying 261 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: after prom. 262 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's smart. 263 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: After the dance, seriously, our parents were like, go stand 264 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: in a field for all we care. 265 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: Here's alcohol. Yeah yeah, here's some warm beer and zeem, 266 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: I get the fuck. 267 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: One of us will go on a cruise. The understanding 268 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: is you will stay indoors. So it says after the dance, 269 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: we all rode in our limos and cars to Dave 270 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: and Busters, turned in our suit jackets, dresses, purses, et cetera, 271 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: changed clothes, and were basically locked in all night. It 272 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: was actually pretty fun. It's very smart. As you can imagine, 273 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: after a long night of dancing and then being locked 274 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: in with your entire senior class, the eight am hour 275 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: at the Dave. 276 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: And Busters was rough. 277 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh god. 278 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: I mean everyone was over it. We were all tired 279 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: physically and also tired of each other. Friendships ended, Matt 280 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: David Busters, girlfriends dumped boyfriends. It was a lot of togetherness. 281 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: My friend group remained somewhat intact as the sun came up, 282 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: and we agreed to gather our things and meeted a 283 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 3: small staircase at the front of the building while we 284 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: waited to be picked up. Sorry, that just reminds me 285 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: of I've told you when we went to Senior Night 286 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: at Disneyland. Yeah. I was emat like at eleven thirty, 287 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm done, I'm gonna lay down on a bench. 288 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 289 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: And it's almost like that it is your first teenage 290 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: test of what you're going to be like to party 291 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 3: with ye And people are just like yes, no, yes, no, total. 292 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: It's like, I'm gonna go home and go to the party. Yep, 293 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: who can stay up all night? 294 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: I was down there first, so I sat on the 295 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: stairs with all my crap, laid my head down on 296 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: my giant cobalt blue puffy dress, and closed my eyes, 297 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: waiting for my friends. Within a few seconds, a random 298 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: girl sat next to me. I opened my eyes to 299 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: see that she was a fellow PRAM attendee, but I 300 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: didn't know her or recognize her, but she seemed like 301 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: she wanted to chat. 302 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: Did you have fun? What did did you do last night? 303 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: Did you go bowling? 304 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 3: I was in no mood for small talk with a 305 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: girl I didn't know, so I closed my eyes again 306 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: and gave very short curt answers, hoping she would catch 307 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: my vibe, and she eventually walked away. It turns out 308 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: she was robbing me while I was sitting there with 309 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: my eyes closed. What were you doing last night? 310 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Did Joe fun? You'd think a lock in would be safe. 311 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: I would definitely not watch my purse, and I did 312 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: watch it, but I wouldn't be worried. Yeah, you wouldn't 313 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: be on alert. 314 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: No, you'd think you could just sleep on some stairs 315 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: like a normal person. 316 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: It's so crazy. 317 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: When our parents picked us up, my dad asked me 318 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: for his cash. That's right before we left for prom. 319 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: My dad handed me two hundred dollars cash to use 320 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: in case of emergency. None of us had credit cards, 321 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: but it was to be returned immediately after we got 322 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: done at david Buster. Oh my god, it wasn't spending money. 323 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: It was emergency money for flat tires, etc. As we 324 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: lived in a rural area and the prom was in 325 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: the big city. I had the cash in my tiny 326 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: silver purse, along with some earrings my sister had lent me. 327 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: When my dad asked for this money, I opened my 328 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: little purse and found it to be empty. 329 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: Oh, earrings and cash all gone. 330 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: I was so confused because my purse had been in 331 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: my possession all night, except for when it was checked 332 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: into the purse check monitored by volunteer parents, and then 333 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: immediately handed back to me. I knew it was the 334 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: girl that had sat next to me making awkward conversation 335 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: while my eyes were closed. A few days later, at school, 336 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: people were sharing photo albums and I saw the girl 337 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: in a photo and it immediately jumped out at me. 338 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: That's her. 339 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's the girl who sat experienced toole 340 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: my money and earrings. She was the date of a 341 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: guy in my government class. So I sought him out 342 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: and said, hey, do you know your date? Robbed me 343 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: at David Busters, who is she? He felt bad and 344 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: said other people from within his own group had told 345 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: him the same thing. 346 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: This girls, this little klepts just gone around fucking. 347 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: She robbed many people that night. 348 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: Girl. I want to be friends with this girl, right, 349 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: I mean she was like on one. He didn't know 350 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: her well, he said, And she didn't go to our school. 351 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: I would hope not. They open her locker, all everybody's 352 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: stuff pours out cash. I saw the assistant principal who 353 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: informed me that she didn't go to our school, so 354 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: there was nothing that. 355 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: They could do. 356 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: I felt so bad about losing my dad's money, and 357 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: even more guilty about losing my sister's earrings, as they 358 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: were special to her. I will forever regret trying to 359 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: ignore her. Yet I will also forever be somewhat impressed 360 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: by all caps the audacity to be asked to a 361 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: prom at another school, only to spend your evening robbing everyone. Yeah, 362 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: love y'all so much, SSDGM, And don't ignore awkward conversations 363 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: in a Dave and Buster's while you have forty seven 364 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: bobby pins in your hair. 365 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: Jenny that I hope that girl turn out okay, bless 366 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: her heart. 367 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope this was maybe, And I'm not saying 368 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: this is justified, although it is, like it's a rich 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: kid's school. 370 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: She gets invited to the prom. 371 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: She's like, I'm going back to the other side of 372 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: the tracks and I'm going to collect I'm going to 373 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: fill my pockets or vice versa. She's like, I'm rich 374 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: and no one will ever prosecute me, so I'm going 375 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: to rob all these poor people whatever, whatever it is. Yeah, 376 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: please write in. We know you just write us an email. 377 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: Okay. This one's called mind blowing guaranteed podcasting Princesses. I 378 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: doubt you've ever heard a story like this one which 379 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: took place in my home state of Michigan several years back. 380 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: On April sixth, two thousand and six, a van carrying 381 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: nine students from Taylor University in Indiana was returning to 382 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: school from an event when a semi truck lost control, 383 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: crossed the median and hit the van, killing five passengers. 384 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Two of the Taylor students were from Michigan, just north 385 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: of Indiana, and when the county corner was done, one 386 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: of the Michigan girls was dead while the other had 387 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: survived badly injured. I know, I hate these fucking stories. 388 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: Well, also, just that thing of like the older kids 389 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: get and they leave the house totally the risk is 390 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: just increasing. Nor just went on long drive by herself, 391 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: and my sister was like, she's an adult. I can't be, like, 392 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: you're not allowed to. 393 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons I don't want to kids. 394 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: I just I couldn't do that. It's so yeah, so tough, okay. 395 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: The students were identified through purses and IDs scattered around 396 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: the scene. The body of blonde eighteen year old Whitney 397 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Sarah was transported home to Gaylord, Michigan, where her devastated 398 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: family grieved her loss, held a funeral, and buried her 399 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: in the local cemetery. The surviving Michigan student, also blonde, 400 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: was unresponsive but was identified through an id laying near 401 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: her as twenty two year old Laura van rinn And 402 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: was airlifted to a nearby er and trauma center, where 403 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: she was stabilized. When her family rushed to her side, 404 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: they were told to expect she would not look like herself, 405 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: with bandages around her face and tubes in her head 406 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: and mouth. Over the next five weeks, after Laura's family 407 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: had her move to a facility near their home and 408 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: grew in Rapids, Michigan, they kept up a vigil at 409 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: her bedside that at times left them baffled. Laura called 410 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: them false parents in a way they thought was lovingly teasing. 411 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Once she regained her speech, she would often whisper Whitney 412 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: when therapists or nurses called her Laura. When an aunt insisted, 413 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't care what anyone says. That doesn't look like 414 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: Laura to me, Laura's father assured her that this was natural. 415 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Laura's sister, Lisa, glimpsed a new belly button piercing and 416 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: thought to herself spring break. Finally, at the end of 417 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: five weeks, Lisa was sitting alone with her sister when 418 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: Laura said her name was Whitney. Sarah and her parents 419 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: were Newel and Colleen. Lisa said, quote, our suspicions had 420 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: been building, and in that moment, I just knew that 421 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: she was right. 422 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: But you would have every reason to be like, no, no, no, 423 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: this can't. 424 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Be psychologically and logically too, because you're being told those things. 425 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: It's not these official people are saying this is what's happening, right, 426 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: But you'd also be like, great, totally, she's alive and 427 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: she's here. 428 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: Laura and Whitney's identities had been mixed up. By people 429 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: helping at the accident scene. They looked alike, with blonde 430 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: hair and similar builds and facial features. Whitney's sister, Carly, 431 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: also a student at Taylor, had not been able to 432 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: bring herself to identify the actual body at the morgue 433 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: after being told her sister had been killed. After morning, 434 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: for five weeks, Whitney Sarah's family were informed that Whitney 435 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: was still alive, and Laura Vanrin's family had to accept 436 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: that Laura, who they thought they had been caring for, 437 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: was gone. 438 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: That's so horrible. 439 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: The bizarre, tragic accident would later prompt Indiana lawmakers to 440 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: enact stricter guidelines regarding coroners identifying victims of fatal crashes. 441 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: On March twenty eight, two thousand and eight, Dateline NBC 442 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: aired an episode regarding this mix up titled A Twist 443 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: of Fate, and the two families involved have written a 444 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: book entitled Mistaken Identity. 445 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: Oh I want to read that book. 446 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, can you fucking imagine? 447 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: But then that means they like work together, yeah, like. 448 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, stay sexyon always view the body, Margaret. 449 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: I mean, how like, yeah, I think the thing that's 450 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: really making me catch my breath. Is that that's exactly 451 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: what you want to happen. When you find out that 452 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: someone you love die totally, you fantasize about exactly. 453 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: And then five weeks later to find out you've been 454 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: grieving for five weeks, You've gone through so many feelings 455 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: and emotions and just devastation, and then you get your 456 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: person back. 457 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: Yep, and Whitney's laying there and they're calling her the 458 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: wrong name, and she's in this state she kind of 459 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: probably doesn't even really know what's going on. 460 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to say who. 461 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, no, it's who. 462 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: That could have been a full episode story, that really could. 463 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to change it up with a little pet 464 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: hero story. 465 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Great. 466 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: It starts Hello from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I suck ad intro, 467 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: so please excuse my lack there. Just know that I 468 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: love you. You asked for pet hero stories and this 469 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: is something that I can at least deliver. Back in 470 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: the spring of twenty twelve, I was in my final 471 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: year of UNI and was big into running that My 472 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: then puppy, a female Doberman Pincher border Collie named Charlie, 473 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: was my enthusiastic companion on these jaunts at border Collie 474 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: Doberman pinchers, like the most springy dog ever made at dogs. 475 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't really go together, but I'm sure it's bullying. 476 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 3: It's like all muscle and excitement. It was a warm 477 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: eleven degrees celsius in today's money, thirty four fifty two 478 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: afternoon in late March. I should have told you what 479 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: month it was, and a chnook wind had recently come 480 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: through the city, melting most of the snow off the 481 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: sidewalks and trails that I frequented. Side note, Calgary is 482 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: locally known for its warm chnuck winds, which come off 483 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: the oceans from the southwest. 484 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: Flowing and went to the north. 485 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: Shea weather man, I don't know, and generally boosting our 486 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: outside temper, which for several days at a time, and 487 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: then in parentheses it says, hallelujah. I think everyone's a 488 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: weather man when they live in Calgary. You better know 489 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: what's happening. Yeah, this specific day, I grabbed Charlie, laced 490 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: up my running shoes without my ice cleats, and took off. 491 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: Bad idea, Just fucking stay home. You can take today off. 492 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: You know, and you you know when you forget your 493 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 3: ice cleats and you really regret it later. 494 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: And it's eleven degrees celsius. 495 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: Celsius, and we're like, hey, we're from California. 496 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're You're in grade six and you're and you 497 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: want to you. 498 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: Want to get into the boot but you can't. 499 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 500 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's British. 501 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: I made it through most of my normal route and 502 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: was literally approaching the final descent on my stretch home 503 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: about five minutes from my house when I. 504 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: Hit a patch of black ice. 505 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: Things happened fast, and I don't remember much as I 506 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: passed out from the pain. Oh my god, woke up 507 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: briefly in the ambulance, Oh my God, then passed out again. 508 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: But I did later get some details that I had 509 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: been shared with the paramedics upon their at the scene. 510 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: So fall and you get knocked out like that. 511 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: Is and it's because I've seen I've seen video people 512 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: just all of a sudden, you're just tripping on the 513 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: ground because there's a patch of ice that you can't see. 514 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: It's just scary. 515 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: So it says apparently Charlie, who was still on leash 516 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: at the time of my fall, was able to run 517 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: down the trail barking furiously. She got the attention of 518 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 3: the next passerby she found, who luckily had some medical training. 519 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: Even luckier, this person noted the dragging leash and the 520 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: purpose with which Charlie moved away, and then stopped to 521 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: wait to see if they would follow Charlie. Oh, Charlie's 522 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: doing it. 523 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: They did. 524 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 3: Charlie led my rescuer right back to me, whereupon they 525 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: found me lying unconscious on the ground with my leg 526 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: no no, facing the wrong way. Oh, and immediately called 527 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: for help. I ended up breaking my leg in how 528 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: many places? 529 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: Five places? 530 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: Too many places? 531 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: Needing two plate That means the femur is definitely involved, 532 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: take it, probably needing two plates surgically implanted. And I 533 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: was in the hospital for eleven days, thankfully not in 534 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: life threatening condition. And editorial note, thankfully in Canada where 535 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 3: it's free. 536 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: Congratulations, We're going to. 537 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: Get there one day, America, we are going to get Can. 538 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: You imagine everyone not going bankrupt from a fucking accident 539 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: because you slipped? Yeah? 540 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: It scares me to think of how long I may 541 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: have been lying on a cold sidewalk if not for 542 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 3: Charlie and my rescuer. It makes me even more sad 543 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: than I never got the name of my rescuer. To 544 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: thank them for everything they did that day after helping. 545 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: Scry what should put your phone on Burne's backpack just 546 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: like I did? See I was right, he could have 547 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,239 Speaker 1: fucking helped me. You're gonna thank me. 548 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 3: This is why we all need business cards, not for 549 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: business but for pleasure. 550 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: Okay, at me, bro on your business card. 551 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: At me to thank them for for everything they did. 552 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: And after helping see Me into the ambulance, they called 553 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: the phone numbers on Charlie's ID tags and got a 554 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 3: hold of my then roommate and were able to get 555 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: Charlie home safely too, so they took over. Come on 556 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: a good person, forward, good person, Yeah, good good Canadian. 557 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: Charlie's now thirteen years old, has mild arthritis, but still 558 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 3: loves to go for slow runs and bike rides. 559 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: She rides in a carriage. 560 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 3: Oh girl, I think, boy, it happens. She also has 561 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: developed the same fear of ice that I have Penguin 562 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: shuffle for the wind. She's my everything and has seen 563 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: me through it all, good, bad and ugly. I can 564 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 3: only hope as she transitions into these final elder years 565 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: of her life that she feels like I've given her 566 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: the same. 567 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, come on, sorry, this is so long. 568 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: Big shout out to the everyday heroes of our world, 569 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: both animal and human, Stay sexy and wear are the 570 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: damn ice cleats. 571 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: Kayleie, there's George. I called her Georgie. There's Charlie. 572 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: Oh the good girl, Charlie. Are sweet little Beard coming in? 573 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: Oh the listeners, We're definitely going to post this sweetest 574 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: picture of the sweetest dog who saved her owner's life. 575 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's gorgeous about face right there? 576 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: I want to I think she smells like free Do's 577 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: and I want to see I want to rub her haunches, 578 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: Oh my god, and. 579 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: Give her scratch. 580 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: Amazing. That was amazing. That was good? 581 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: Right? 582 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: Yes? Okay. My last one is called prank Dad. Hello, 583 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: my fun loving aunties. Hello, Do I have a prank 584 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Dad story for you? Growing up, I was the middle 585 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: of three girls, and both of my parents were in 586 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement, So obviously my sisters and I decided our 587 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: calling in life was to be as annoying as possible. 588 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: One day, my dad jokingly threatened to handcuff us together 589 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: until you can get along. We did not take him 590 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: seriously at all. We kept bickering, complaining, and pushing each 591 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: other's buttons until he pulled out the handcuffs and said, 592 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: until you can get along, you're staying handcuffed together. 593 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: Wow, three of them. 594 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus has to be against protocol. 595 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: Right, there's nothing legal or correct about this. 596 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: Cute the dramatic sighing and I rolling. We decided, fine, 597 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: peace treaty it is. But when he went to unlock us, 598 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: he realized his handcuff keys were at work. So yes, 599 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: we had to drive over an hour handcuffed together to 600 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: get his keys. Were we getting along by then? Absolutely not. 601 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: Once we walked into the police station, all of his 602 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: coworkers stared at him like he was unhinged. He just 603 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: shrugged and said, kids, Am I right? Anyways? My siblings 604 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: and I never fought again after that. Just kidding, of 605 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: course we did, but it was the last time we 606 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: were physically restrained as a family bonding activity. Yeah. I 607 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: can't wait to write again and tell you about the 608 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: case my dad worked on involving serial killer Wayne adam Ford, 609 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: one of the world's most evil killers. He was one 610 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: of the lead detectives on that case. 611 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 612 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Shout out to my wife Crumb, who introduced me to 613 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: your podcast in twenty twenty. We saw you live in 614 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: Boston and had a wonderful time. Thank you for everything 615 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: you do. Seriously, we love you. Stay sexy and always 616 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: keep an extra set of keys on you. 617 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: He'll she her, I mean hill, great email. Also, what 618 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: a great kind of like, Yeah, if you're going to 619 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: do something and take this big swing, you better make 620 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: sure you have everything you need to be the responsible adult. 621 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: Right. 622 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: That's it's the definition of fuck around and find out. 623 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: He fucked around and he found the fuck out. 624 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: That's right. 625 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: And then everyone at work found out too. Yeah, Like, 626 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: what great parenting skills you have. 627 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: I definitely talked about that one at the Christmas party 628 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: that year. 629 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: Although I don't envy anyone with three daughters. No, mayhem, 630 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: my god, chaos not great. 631 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Hey, tell us about your sibling fights and stuff? 632 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: Are you one of three girls? 633 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: Tell us all about it. 634 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: You'll get right to the front if you send us 635 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: emails about your horrible fights. 636 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: That's right at my favorite murder at Gmail or anything 637 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: else you want to write about. 638 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, which let us know and then until then stay sexy. 639 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: And don't get murdered. Goodbye. 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