1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to steph you missed in history class from house 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fromman I'm Tracy we Wilson. So Leonard Ottier 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: became so much a part of French court in the 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: eighteenth century that many people actually believe that he was 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: a member of the nobility. He was not, but as 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: coiffure to Marie Antoinette, he was afforded access to her 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: that even most nobles would not have had, and after 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: her ladies in waiting, for example, would complete the long 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: codified ritual of dressing the Queen, Leonard went in to 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette's apartment and create the hairstyle masterpieces that have 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: really become a hallmark of the young ruler's iconic image. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: I think most of us when we think of Marie Antoinette, 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: we think of her giant stacked hair with the ship 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, but we're gonna talk about a little 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: bit um and that is all because of this one person, 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: and that iconic hare is very, very tied as well 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: to the image of debauchery and corruption that Marie Antoinette 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: was a oociated with. As the French monarchy came under 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: attack her hairstyles too. Many not only looked ridiculous, but 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: they were also very expensive and they were dangerous. Uh. 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Their sheer size made them difficult to manage. There is 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: story after story of them just having to take things 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: out and change hair to get in and out of carriages. Uh. 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: And in a time when candles provided all illumination, they 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: were huge fire hazards. There are also many stories of 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: people getting their hair ignited or catching on chandeliers as 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: they walked around. Like basically they were just a problem. Uh. 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: And not only was Louis the sixteenth Queen spending massive 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: sums of money to keep her hairstyled this way, we're 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about how much Leonard 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: was able to charge for some of these. But other 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: women of France were, of course following her lead to 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: try to keep up with trends. So Marie Antoinette was 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: skewered in the press not only for her own loose 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: purse strings when it came to pursuing fashion and style, 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: but also for the financial irresponsibility that her style choices 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: inspired in other women of the country. And the man 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: with the comb who created all of that Fereor is 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the topic of today's episode and the next it is 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: a two parter. Before we get into this, we have 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: to talk about the term hairdresser or because it's one 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: of those things that in the modern parlance, I think 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: most people that do hair would like to be called stylists. 45 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: Um hairdresser has in some salons, not all, hairdresser has 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: become more like the person who does It's almost like 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: the assistant who handles rinsing prep, you know that kind 48 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: of stuff, whereas stylist is the person that actually decides 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: what your hair is gonna look like, you know, color, 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: There's it's varied, there's a whole different hierarchy of words. 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: It's not consistent. Even Salona Salon. Some stylists don't even care. 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Just let me do my let me do hair, and 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm good. But just in case anyone is wondering about that, 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: because you may go to someone who says, I'm not 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: a hair dress room a stylist. In this context, hairdresser 56 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: was pretty much the term, and we're going to use that. 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: So don't think that we're in any way demeaning anyone 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: who designs colors, etcetera hair but Leonard called himself a 59 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: hair dresser, and as well learn his call to hair 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: dressing was not because he thought he was, you know, 61 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: an artiste that needed to do it. He thought, stupid 62 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: people can do this and make a ton of money, 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it. Uh, So we're gonna talk 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: about Leonard Autier. Leonard Alexis Attier was born somewhere in 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: the five year span between seventeen forty six and seventeen 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: fifty one in the southwest of France, in a town 67 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: called Pomier. His parents made their living as domestic servants, 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: but even from a very young age, Leonard longed for 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: more than life in a rural town could really offer him, 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: and he learned his trade in styling hair as an 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: apprentice in Marseilles and Toulouse, and then he spent time 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: in Bordeaux crafting the latest hairstyles. But his work never 73 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: really caught on with the upper class there, and he 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: was unwilling to style the hair of women farther down 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: this social hierarchy, so he decided that he was going 76 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: to leave Bordeaux and he set his eyes on Paris. 77 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: He moved to Paris in seventeen sixty nine when Louis 78 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the fifteenth was still king and when the popular hairstyle 79 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: for women consisted of curls arranged close to the head 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: called a tete de mouton or sheep's head. Autier settled 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: into lodgings in a less than stellar part of town 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: at number fifteen Rue Denier. He paid for two weeks 83 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: worth of lodging and then set out the next morning 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: to try to make his way as a gentleman of Paris. 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: I sort of love this because in the beginning this 86 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: was definitely a fake it till you make it situation. Uh. 87 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: He had walked into Paris with basically nothing but was 88 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: in his pockets and a comb. He couldn't afford wig powder, 89 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: so he used some baking flowers, some leftover baking flower 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: to whiten his hair, and he carefully prepared these garments 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: that were second hand, uh, so that they would look 92 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: really clean and tidy and artfully assembled. There's even discussion 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: of how he very carefully tied his cravats so that 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: all of the platz are perfect and that he looked 95 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: completely assembled. And he put on a sword, which was 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: common for French noblemen at the time, and he went 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: out to seek his fortune, and according to his account, 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about his his memoirs a 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: little bit later, people in the street just stopped and 100 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: commented on what an attractive and fine looking gentleman he was. 101 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: He made his way to the business of a monsieur Legroux, 102 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: was a well known hairdresser in Paris at the time, 103 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: looking for a job. Legrox had written a book on 104 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: hairstyling called The Art of Hair Dressing, which Leonard had read, 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: and in fact it was one of the things that 106 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: inspired the young man from the country to start pursuing 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: a career in coiffure. But this was not a case 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: of admiration. This arkens back to what I said earlier. 109 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: Autier felt that if someone such as Legroux, who was 110 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: obviously in his mind of buffoon, could cultivate a successful 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: career for himself based on dressing hair and complimenting rich women, 112 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: then certainly he could do the same thing. And he 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: managed to establish an industry contact in Lgaro. They talked 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: about him possibly working there, and that was thanks in 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: part to a friend of Otier's named Fremont, who was 116 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: already working for the established hairdresser Leonard felt that he 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: would quickly surpass Legro and he told Fremont that he 118 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: believed he would be quote the foremost hairdresser in the 119 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: universe within three years. This was the bold most for anyone, 120 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: but particularly someone who had arrived in the city the 121 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: day before with almost nothing, but it evidenced the boastful 122 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: and often overconfident personality that he would really become famous for. Yeah, 123 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: this was a man that did not lack for confidence, 124 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: like to the point that as I read his memoirs 125 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: and the biography that I read of him, I was 126 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: really quite envious. As a man, it must be like 127 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: a delight to walk through the world with like absolutely 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: no self doubtte and with the help of Fremon, Leonard 129 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: quickly made additional friends and he started doing the hair 130 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: of one of the actresses at Nicolette's Theater for a 131 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: role as a fairy. And this was initially sort of 132 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: a fun thing where he was like, oh, let me 133 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: do your hair, it'll be fun. But his concoction, which 134 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: made use of jewelry and flowers and stars as accent 135 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: pieces in this really lavish hair do that also involved 136 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of architecture to defy gravity won the actress, 137 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: who had been doing okay but not exactly having a 138 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: breakout star moment won her a great deal of attention 139 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: quite quickly, and in turn, Leonard also was given a 140 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: lot of attention. The young hairdresser moved immediately out of 141 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: his lodgings and the more dodgy part down so he 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: could live nearer to the theater's performers, and within just 143 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: a few days he had become such a sensation that 144 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: he gained the attention of Etienne Francois nukesois Oi. While 145 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Leonard was glad to make a connection so closely tied 146 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: to the king, he also knew that court politics could 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: easily shift and any given connection could just fall out 148 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: of favor, so he also sought to expand his connections 149 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: to the nobility, and his posthumously published memoirs he wrote 150 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: her this time quote, greedy for gold and fame, I 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: may very well decide the destiny of my whole life 152 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: within just a single stroke of my home. Yeah. He 153 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: was very astute in realizing that he needed to. He 154 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: couldn't count on any one stroke of luck to propel 155 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: him into the life that he wanted, so he really 156 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of cast his net net very wide. He was 157 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: really quite trud as a businessman. And we're going to 158 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: talk about his incredibly speedy rise to success. I mean, 159 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: already he's been in France for days and he's getting 160 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: attention from very very high up people. But first we're 161 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna pause and have a word from one of our sponsors. 162 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: Leonard had a rapidly growing clientele in the theater. Numerous 163 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: actresses and dancers demanded to have him perform the same 164 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: magic on them that he had done on the actress 165 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: who played the ferry at Nicolett's. And incidentally, he seems 166 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: to have also had a romantic involvement with that actress 167 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: as well. Uh. And he was well aware that part 168 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: of his appeal was that he was handsome and charming, 169 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: and that some of the women who were seeking his 170 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: services were also interested in him as a potential romantic interest. 171 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: But even as he shot to fame inside just a 172 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in Paris, there was also a bit 173 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: of jealous sabotage. A foot Legro, the established hairdresser who 174 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Leonard had visited his first full day in the city, 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: was jealous of all the attention that this new upstart 176 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: was getting the grow attempted to launch a smear campaign 177 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: against Leonard's morals, suggesting it seems a tendency to engage 178 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: in impropriety with his patrons. But it seems like, at 179 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: least to some, this rumor only made the handsome Leonard 180 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: more appealing. They're like, oh, really, I could get my 181 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: hair to n and maybe have a little action. I 182 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: would like to book an appointment please, So he really, 183 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it was insane how quickly he became super 184 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: toy popular and one of his new patrons during this 185 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: time was the Marquise de lan Jacques, who was to 186 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: be a part of Marie antoine arranged social circle. When 187 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: the new Dauffhine arrived from Vienna. Non Jacques made clear 188 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: to Leonard that she was interested in introducing him to 189 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: the French court and promoting him as a hairdresser there, 190 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: but on the condition that he really couldn't be dallying 191 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: with dancers and actresses if he wished to move into 192 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: higher society. But there's really a pretty strong suggestion that 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: what she was really indicating was that she would like 194 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: to sort of be his his patron and have a 195 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: romantic relationship with him, but if that were going to 196 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: be the case, he could not be involved with other people. 197 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Autis memoirs indicate that the two of them began a 198 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: sexual relationship almost immediately. He did not, however, severed ties 199 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: with his actress Paramore. The Marquise seems to need constant 200 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: appointments with Leonard, but as described in Wilbashore's biography of Leonard, quote, 201 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: according to one on liquor, her hair never seemed so 202 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: badly arranged. Yeah, she was having some. I was two 203 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: appointments today, one in the morning and one in the evening, 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: and yet her hair did never look very good. La 205 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Jacques introduced Leonard to Madame Duberry, the King's favorite, and 206 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: it was actually an invitation from Duberry that first granted 207 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Leonard an opportunity to visit Versailles, and at their meeting, 208 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: she made an appointment with him to visit her at 209 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: her home the next day. During that appointment, Duberry, who 210 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: had just exited her bath, explained to Leonard what a 211 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: massage was and asked that he give her one request 212 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: that he obliged when he later told the Marquise de 213 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: lan Jacque about it, though she became quite jealous and 214 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: told him never to go to Duberry again. Yeah, apparently 215 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: this is a time when massage was not like a 216 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: thing yet. It was like, oh, this is a new 217 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: thing from the Orient I've heard about you. Would you 218 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: like to try giving me a massage. It's unclear whether 219 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: there was sexual activity or not. It's entirely possible, but 220 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: we just don't know sure. Leonard, however, had already made 221 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: his Versailles contact, and with the imminent arrival of the 222 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: new Dauphine Marie Antoinette, he was not about to let 223 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: that go. So when he first saw the young Austrian 224 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: not long after she had arrived in France, It's funny 225 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: because he was not exactly bowled over by her. Uh. 226 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: He didn't find her especially attractive, although he thought that 227 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: she had potential. Her hair, which had been styled by 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: arrival to Monsieur Ottier named Larsigneur, was especially disappointing, and 229 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: according to accounts of other royals who had been involved 230 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: in negotiating the marriage of the Austrian princess to the 231 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: future King of France, there was definitely going to be 232 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: a need for a good hairdresser. Ry Antoinette had a 233 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: very high forehead and her hair grew quote badly, which 234 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: probably means it was then I'm glad you clarified that, 235 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Holly in the outline that you wrote, because in my 236 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: head I just imagined it being full of calx. Regardless, 237 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: this was considered a defect. Yeah, she she definitely had 238 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: a high forehead and and yeah, it's unclear what badly means, 239 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: but it seems like probably she just didn't have like 240 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: a really lush head of hair, and there will be 241 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: some hair loss later in the story, so that to 242 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: me links up a little bit. And as the new 243 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: Dauphine became integrated into life at Versailles, Leonard's friend and paramour, 244 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: the Marquise de lan Jacques, became one of the Princess's favorites. 245 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: As Lady in waiting, lan Jacques had much closer access 246 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: to the future Queen than most people, and lan Jacques 247 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and others, including Madame Duberry, had mentioned Leonard's skills at 248 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: Coaffure to Marie Antoinette, but initially she retained Larsigneur as 249 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: her hair dresser for a time. Eventually, the Princess decided 250 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: that she would indeed retire La Signeur with a lovely 251 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: pension and instead take on Leonard as her hairdresser. She 252 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: received him for their first appointment in her bed chamber, 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: which was outside of palace etiquette. Only ladies were supposed 254 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: to attend the princess in a place of such privacy. 255 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: The Dauphine insisted, however, but also ensured that a number 256 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: of her lady attendants remained with them to appease members 257 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: of the household who were concerned with scandal. Yeah, as 258 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: as most people that have read much on Marie into 259 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: anet no, she was really put out by all of 260 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: the really codified rules of existence, particularly for a high 261 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: ranking royal at Versailles, which she can thank Louis FOURT 262 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: four he kind of put all those in place. But 263 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: she would just just like, I just want to talk 264 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: to a person in my room. Can we just do that? 265 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: But Leonard won the heart of the future Queen almost 266 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: immediately by addressing one of her concerns. So she did 267 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: not like wearing bonnets. She thought she looked better without 268 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: something covering her face, and that it was important because 269 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: of her status too, for people to be able to 270 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: see her face when she went walking around. But as 271 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: this was late autumn. If she wanted to go for 272 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: a walk in the gardens, which is one of her 273 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: favorite activities, she would mean to wear a hat to 274 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: ward off chill, and at this point the hairdresser came 275 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: up with a novel approach to solving this problem. So 276 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: he decided he would incorporate bits of sheer, lightweight fabric 277 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: into the hairstyle itself to give her hair a little 278 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: bit of covering and war without hiding her face. The 279 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 1: style delighted Marie Antoinette, and it became a common request 280 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: for her to make of Leonard. Incidentally, it was actually 281 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: this use of fabric and trim interwoven with the hair 282 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: that put previous podcast subject Rose Burton in front of 283 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: the Princess. Leonard suggested her as a supplier of such adornments, 284 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: so the Dauphine style stayed fresh and new, and having 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: pleased the future Queen so greatly, really cemented Autier's position 286 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: at Versailles. The Daufine assured him his position was secure, 287 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: and she soon came to rely on him for his opinion, 288 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: not just on her hair, but on anything involving style. 289 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: He was named Valet du Chambre for the princess, which 290 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: expanded his already impressive reputation. Finding himself in constant demand, 291 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Leonard decided to extend his good fortune to his friend Framon. 292 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: We took on as an assistant, but he called him 293 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: his lieutenant. The two men knew that the favor of 294 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the royal could have an abrupt end, but together they 295 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: thought that one of them could bolster the other one. 296 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: And it was shortly after this partnership was struck that 297 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: Leonard called suddenly to style the Dauphine's hair for a 298 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: trip to Paris, found himself needing to sober up for 299 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: the job. He and Framon apparently had concocted this plan 300 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: where Fraymon was going to be his assistant, and they 301 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: had this long dinner where they talked about the future, 302 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: and they had a lot of drinks, which apparently lean 303 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Arm was not normally a big drinker, so he was 304 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: suddenly like, I gotta go do some hair. Uh, So 305 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: he rapidly drank several cups of coffee. And it was 306 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: at that appointment that he went to that he allegedly 307 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: created one of the fashion trends that is now commonly 308 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: associated with late eighteenth century style and that is the 309 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: use of ostrich plumes to accent very very tall hairstyles. 310 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Leonard claimed that the coiffier he gave Mariantoinette that evening 311 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: was more than a yard high from her chin to 312 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: the top of the hair. And while this was a 313 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: gamble uh, in fact, when he told Fraymon about it, 314 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: he was like, what did you do? We're going to 315 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: get fired already. The Dauphine I actually loved it, and 316 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: soon sky high hair covered in feathers was all the rage, 317 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: which had an effect on ostriches. We are going to 318 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: talk about Monsieur Leonard's decision to open a school for 319 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: aspiring hairdressers, but before we do, we're going to pause 320 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: for a quick sponsor break. While Leonard was happy to 321 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: have found himself in the unique circumstance of having achieved 322 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: success so rapidly, he wanted more and he remained ever 323 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: aware that fortunes linked to Versailles could, as we've said 324 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: a couple of times now, change in an instant. So 325 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: his next step in becoming the dominant name in hair 326 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: in Paris was actually to open a school for hair 327 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: dressing with his friend Framon, and not only would taking 328 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: students or an additional income, but becoming the teacher of 329 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: the latest hairstyles in Paris and Versailles added yet another 330 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: new level to his fame and status. The school enabled 331 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: Land to help himself out, along with two of his brothers, 332 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: Pierre and Jean Francois, as well as a cousin named Villeneus. 333 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: He sent for his siblings and cousin to move from 334 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: the country to Paris to assist him, and, through the 335 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: Academy de Coiffure, to become hairdressers themselves. He was also 336 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: able to use his connections to get them regular jobs 337 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: in the households of Versailles. And while this habit of 338 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: using his success to help others in his circle, and 339 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: particularly his brothers and bring them along is admirable, it 340 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: also causes problems in the historical record. And here's why 341 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: all of the Autier brothers began to use the name 342 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: Leonard at various times, presumably to capitalize on the popularity 343 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: of the name and to manage multiple bookings. So Leonard 344 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: could just send one of his brothers when they would 345 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: show up and say hello, I'm Leonard. I'm here to 346 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: do your hair, uh, which is great business sense. It's 347 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: like franchising your siblings. But of course this makes the 348 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: movements of the true Leonard Autier a little bit tricky 349 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: to pin down, and that's actually going to come up 350 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: in the second episode in terms of a death notice. 351 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: So it is well documented that the Dauphine Marie Antoinette 352 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: loved defertissement. One of the activities she became interested in 353 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: attending was a masked ball. She first learned of them 354 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: through her brother in law, Charles Philippe, the Count of Artois, 355 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: and she got the idea that the Count and Leonard 356 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: should plan such an event secret from her husband and 357 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: the rest of the court, so that she could attend 358 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: one in disguise and experience anonymity. And Leonard, of course 359 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: he anticipated this, did the lion's share of the planning. 360 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: But the ball came together and the Count of Artois, 361 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: the Marquise de lan Jacques, and the Dauphine all attended together, 362 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: and this actually ended up being an occasion where Leonard, 363 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: further ingratiated himself to the future Queen Assigned from simply 364 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: having thrown the party in the first place, and having 365 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: become really one of her trusted friends, one of the 366 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: other men that was in attendance at the masked ball 367 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: had figured out who Marie Antoinette was. Many people did not, 368 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: but this one man did, and he was being a 369 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: little bit aggressive in his attempts to woo her. He, 370 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, Leslie, was taking liberties in terms of putting 371 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: his arm around her waist and pulling her very close 372 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: to him. But Leonard witnessed this and stepped in, and 373 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: this actually got him into a brief fisticuffs with the 374 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: man's friends. So these two men came at the hairdresser 375 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: with clubs, and according to Leonard's account, which we will 376 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: mention again, he was very confident, and his memoirs really 377 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: talk up what a great dude he was um. But 378 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: according to his account, he disarmed one of these men 379 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: and he used the club that he took from them 380 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: to fend off the attack, and the original offender, who 381 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: turned out to be the Duke of Schatle, fled after 382 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: jumping from a window. It might come as a surprise that, 383 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: in the midst of all of his appointments and romantic dalliances, 384 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: Leonard actually married one of the kitchen assistants of Versailles 385 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: named Marie Louise Jacqualbie. The couple had a daughter together, 386 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: but it seems that the marriage itself was more of 387 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: a convenience and security situation for both of them. Leonard 388 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: established one more tie to Versailles, even if it was 389 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: on the lower end of the social hierarchy there, and 390 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: Marie Louise got the financial security of having a rich husband, 391 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: and even if they lived very separate lives for the 392 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, they would go on to have more children, 393 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: but initially they had one very quickly. And Leonard really 394 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: continued to be incredibly shrewd about bolstering his position in 395 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: a variety of ways. So, for example, uh comment talk 396 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: was all the rage in seventeen seventy three. There had 397 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: been a warning that a comment was going to hit France, 398 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: and it was a big discussion. There was fear and excitement, 399 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: and while no comment hit France, there was a comment 400 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: observed in October of that year. But all of that 401 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: sort of comment fur inspired Leonard to create a commet 402 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: hairstyle for the Dauphine, and she loved it so much 403 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: she wore it to the opera that night, and it 404 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: was a huge hit. It garnered just a plethora of compliments, 405 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: and it launched an obsession with commet themed murch of 406 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: nice in Paris. And it turned out that in something 407 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: akin to a pre internet social network marketing scheme, though 408 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Leonard had masterminded this whole thing, he had paid people 409 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: at the opera to talk up Marie Antoinette's outlandish hairstyle 410 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: and create good buzz around it. I cannot stress what 411 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: a shrewd businessman he wants. Um So, yeah, he just 412 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: he found a new way. It seems like almost every 413 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: day to be like, I need to solidify my position 414 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: even more. I know I'm getting super rich and I'm 415 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: very busy, but I want to be super richer and 416 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: even busier. So on that note, we are going to 417 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: pause here with Leonard truly at the top of his game. Obviously, 418 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: he did not stay overside forever. So in the next 419 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: episode we're going to talk about how his career as 420 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: the Queen's hairdresser wound down and his other business ventures 421 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and the ways in which his life changed in the 422 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: face of the French Revolution. And now I have listener 423 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: mail listener gifts what And we got an email from 424 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: this person before we got the gift in the mail 425 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: saying that that he was trying to arrange something. 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