Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Fallout episode three, season two.
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Speaker 3: Back into the wastelands to see some friends, some enemies,
Speaker 3: some foes, some action in another great episode of Fallout
Speaker 3: two ou three, which we will recap beginning now.
Speaker 1: Fallout episode three, season two opens with us reuniting with
Speaker 1: our old friend Thaddius, former Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, now
Speaker 1: a ghoul, and he is a manager of what appears
Speaker 1: to be a new Cola bottling company staffed by kids
Speaker 1: that are both human kids and ghoul young Gules. Thaddeus
Speaker 1: makes a speech to his staff about listen, we're all
Speaker 1: lucky to have jobs. Okay, we're all lucky to be
Speaker 1: working in a factory that's inside of an apparently defended perimeter.
Speaker 1: We don't have to deal with raiders in the wasteland
Speaker 1: and so don't be mean to each other, and some
Speaker 1: of us that are Ghuls don't feel bad that your Guals,
Speaker 1: and some of us that are humans don't make fun
Speaker 1: of the Ghuls because we're all working here together. We're
Speaker 1: all lucky to be here. Meanwhile, Lucy is taken by
Speaker 1: her captors along with the woman who she saved from
Speaker 1: the hospital, into a camp and it's the Legion, folks,
Speaker 1: this is Kaisar's legion. And from the game, if those
Speaker 1: two of us who've played New Vegas or aware of
Speaker 1: the Legion say kind of meat headed group of meat
Speaker 1: headed faction that is always at war with various other factions,
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely the case here, and you know
Speaker 1: they are Roman Empire wannabes. They immediately kill the woman.
Speaker 1: They bring Lucy before their leader, the Kaisar, who's of
Speaker 1: course name, they pronounce it correctly. She tries to correct
Speaker 1: them like, I think it's seas her, like if you
Speaker 1: guys want to be Roman, and she just like correcting
Speaker 1: them on that. As the screams of the tortured and
Speaker 1: the crucified ring out through the camp.
Speaker 3: It's crazy and honestly, the Lucy is not happy about it,
Speaker 3: because the Legion is essentially like negotiating her historically accurate
Speaker 3: sexual assault. And she's like, guess what, bitch, you can't
Speaker 3: assault me or sacrifice me, because that was not even
Speaker 3: Romans who were doing that. It was people in the
Speaker 3: medieval times. They just wanted to sound fancy. And also,
Speaker 3: I'm the otherge and I've messed around with my cousin
Speaker 3: a ton of times, so what are you gonna do
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 2: And even they're like hmm hmm.
Speaker 3: So they tie her hands and they're gonna put her
Speaker 3: on the cross, and Macaulay Culkin, who plays Kaisar, tells Lucy,
Speaker 3: look things he's not.
Speaker 2: He's like the right, He's like the you're right. He's
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 1: Manager to the Kaisar. I don't know that we picked
Speaker 1: up his name here.
Speaker 2: It was just mc.
Speaker 1: I've just been calling hi, McCaulay culkin.
Speaker 3: Good on Macaulay Culkin, who we love. And he's like, hey, look,
Speaker 3: things are very serious here. Okay, we have got our
Speaker 3: we've got our problems with the Legion. And then there's
Speaker 3: the fucking New California Republic and the Brotherhood of Steel
Speaker 3: and basically they're just fucking with us and it's all going.
Speaker 2: Really bad, and there's a like interious.
Speaker 3: Schism between the Fosters because the people who chose the
Speaker 3: original Caesar as the leader, they chose a successor, but
Speaker 3: we disagree, and the name of that person is actually
Speaker 3: on the corpse of the og leader, who is a
Speaker 3: skeleton that you can see over here, but we can't
Speaker 3: get to it because there's the sibyls awful and Lucy's light.
Speaker 2: Look, I can help you.
Speaker 3: I'm nice, I'm good at mediating, and instead they're like, no,
Speaker 3: I just crucify it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just just throw her up there back of
Speaker 1: the hospital. The ghoul is like dealing with the rad
Speaker 1: scorpion poison and going really badly, but also kind of
Speaker 1: the facts that he's still alive and is able to
Speaker 1: deal with it kind of proves Lucy's point, like he
Speaker 1: didn't need the stiff pack that bad. He crawls somewhere
Speaker 1: safe where he can cut out the ghoul the rad
Speaker 1: scorpion poison sacks from his leg, which he does all
Speaker 1: the while speaking sweetly to dog Meat, And then we
Speaker 1: see the past. It is Coop. He's in his Hollywood home.
Speaker 1: He sees his wife Barb packing their daughter Janey's stuff
Speaker 1: for the potential stay in the vault should there ever
Speaker 1: be a nuclear war. And of course Coop knows that
Speaker 1: there will be a nuclear war, and it's part of
Speaker 1: Barb's plan and part of the Corporation's plan started themselves,
Speaker 1: but he plays dummy, plays the doting husband. He says, well, honey,
Speaker 1: will honey, hopefully we won't need to do that.
Speaker 2: We'll never hopefully go into the vote, honey.
Speaker 1: Oh honey, hopefully it won't come to that. M out right,
Speaker 1: and his wife is like crying. He's like, yes, of course,
Speaker 1: hopefully it won't come to that, and he then makes
Speaker 1: an excuse and says, I gotta go. I gotta go
Speaker 1: over to the Veterans Hall see Charlie.
Speaker 3: And then we get there and we see Charlie played
Speaker 3: by Dallas Goldtooth, a Moldeva agent, and he's like, hey man,
Speaker 3: what's going on. He's like, what's going on? Is Robert
Speaker 3: house building something? Is there some kind of weapons system?
Speaker 3: Like what's occurring? And Coop's like that, yeah, that's basically it.
Speaker 2: So did you know that Moldava wants me to kill him?
Speaker 2: Do you think I should do that? Old war pal?
Speaker 2: And he's like don't do it.
Speaker 1: Brow, don't do it.
Speaker 3: And then he's like Charlie's like, actually, maybe you should
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should kill the right guy.
Speaker 3: For once, I thought this was some really interesting, nice
Speaker 3: stuff here with the Veterans Hall, because they really deal
Speaker 3: with kind of the realities of war and realizing that
Speaker 3: you came back for a war and fought for a
Speaker 3: country that maybe doesn't care about you, for a war
Speaker 3: you don't believe in, and it's really interesting. And we
Speaker 3: get this hilarious moment where we see Diane Well, she's
Speaker 3: a congresswoman from Glendale, and she's like, it's me here,
Speaker 3: the only politician who doesn't take corporate money.
Speaker 2: And they're in like the shittiest vet center with.
Speaker 3: No money, there's no lights, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is like painfully tut it.
Speaker 1: What I loved about this whole bit with Diane Welch,
Speaker 1: the congresswoman talking about how she doesn't take corporate money,
Speaker 1: is that, yes, she is this you know, upstanding, apparently
Speaker 1: politician who understands the dangers of corporate money and politics.
Speaker 1: But she's also like a terrible she's so boring, so boring,
Speaker 1: she's not engaging. It's like if you want to believe
Speaker 1: in her message, you're just gonna have to fight through
Speaker 1: the fact that she's bumbling and boring and I can't
Speaker 1: get her notes together.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and also as well, I love that it's also
Speaker 3: like very real to the kind of people who like
Speaker 3: stick to their guns in politics, is like very unglamorous, Like, well,
Speaker 3: I just think it's bad that corporations are in charge
Speaker 3: of everything and the vets thing gets really boring and
Speaker 3: there's no like Captain America Jocketing Firewak.
Speaker 2: She needs a little bit more of a show.
Speaker 1: She can't like figure. She's like she her notes from misplaced.
Speaker 1: She's like, doesn't know who she's giving the award to.
Speaker 1: This is whole thing. So Cooper's like, I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm out, babe, I'm gonna goes in there.
Speaker 1: And who should he find in there? About Bob House?
Speaker 1: Bob House is in there, and Bob House hell taking
Speaker 1: a piss? Are we you here to receive an award
Speaker 1: my friend? And House is like, oh, you here to
Speaker 1: see your friend Charlie. I heard Charlie is a pinko
Speaker 1: communist And Cooper's like, no, he's not Pinco And then
Speaker 1: House is like, well, what about you, my friend, you
Speaker 1: pinco communist peak, communist maoists scum And then he's like,
Speaker 1: don't get but I don't worry. By the way, I
Speaker 1: don't judge emphasize with the Pinkos. The Pinkos are absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know they've analyze the sitution quite well.
Speaker 1: But you know, what what are you going to do
Speaker 1: when when billions of people are backed into a corner?
Speaker 1: It's quite He makes quite an enigmatic speech about war
Speaker 1: between communism and capitalism basically, but he doesn't get into details,
Speaker 1: and Coop then says, well, you must not be a vet,
Speaker 1: my friend, and House is like, what gave me?
Speaker 2: A ways?
Speaker 1: Don't talk politics with their dick in their hands?
Speaker 3: Whoa?
Speaker 1: And with that, let's take a quick break. Oh, we
Speaker 1: come back to continue with our recap.
Speaker 4: Follow episode thirty.
Speaker 3: We're back and we're inside the infamous area fifty one.
Speaker 3: You've always wanted to look inside, Well, guess what you
Speaker 3: could be there?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: The Brotherhood of Steel are arguing about tactics, the conspirators
Speaker 3: are breaking up.
Speaker 2: It's all falling apart since old the good old Command
Speaker 2: and Jarley.
Speaker 3: Showed up the glamorous Kaladin Hallard in Harkness. He's you know,
Speaker 3: Quintus was really on the like, let's rebel guys, and
Speaker 3: then no, it's not working. He's like, but we started
Speaker 3: from an insurrection. We were somebody who we came up,
Speaker 3: you know. Roger Maxim, the first Brotherhood of Steel leader,
Speaker 3: he knew that things were being done in California before
Speaker 3: the war, terrible experiments, and he turned his back on
Speaker 3: his government and embraced religion.
Speaker 2: Maxim shot the scientists and.
Speaker 3: Everyone else and founded the Brotherhood of Steel, which is
Speaker 3: a very interesting little tidbitsy and as how much fucking
Speaker 3: terrible experimentation we saw going on in the last couple
Speaker 3: of episodes, Quintus is a ze let.
Speaker 2: Bet it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: The women leader of the BOS is like, hey, just
Speaker 3: give the coffee's drive to the fucking Commonwealth.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving. Maximus is like, well, let's just kill Harkness.
Speaker 3: What about that? And Quintus is like, well, if you
Speaker 3: do that, there'll be a lot of war. But like
Speaker 3: the righteousness of the cause. Maximus is like, isn't that
Speaker 3: what it's meant to be about? And he's like yeah,
Speaker 3: if hey, you're dumb, He's like fuck you.
Speaker 1: You're an idiot, You're stupid, you fucking idiot, fucking dialistic
Speaker 1: dumb call. Darkness greets Maximus outside and is like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we talk Because it's clear that
Speaker 1: you know, there's too much politics going around over here,
Speaker 1: and you know, I understand that different Brotherhood of Steel
Speaker 1: chapters do things in different ways, but you guys have
Speaker 1: a lot of cleric I think is weird lyrics. Too
Speaker 1: many clerics making decisions. You know, in the Commonwealth we
Speaker 1: have clerics too, but they know they're not like leaders
Speaker 1: and stuff. Like guys like you and me, we're the leaders.
Speaker 1: So you know, like, let's just me and you hang out.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it, you know, because like obviously rebellion
Speaker 1: it's going to be very very costly. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a civil war. We don't want that, and it
Speaker 1: goes against what the Brotherhood of steals about, which is
Speaker 1: about order, you know, back east in the Commonwealth. You
Speaker 1: know again, guy like you and me, we can climb
Speaker 1: the ladder, not the clerics. So think about it. Harkness
Speaker 1: Uh basically wants Maximus and him to just like, let's
Speaker 1: just you and I figure out a solution. To this,
Speaker 1: and Maximus agrees.
Speaker 3: He's like, this is a really good plan, and let's
Speaker 3: go on a little adventure together. Back of the Legion camp,
Speaker 3: the Gul is like scooting out the situation. He sees
Speaker 3: Lucy on the cross and he's like okay, sees the
Speaker 3: two leaders of the warring factions.
Speaker 2: And it's like this is going to be so easy.
Speaker 3: So the girl does some drugs, goes off to get
Speaker 3: help fighting the Legions from none other than the New
Speaker 3: California Republic. He goes to see his friend Victor of
Speaker 3: Robe and the girls like, hey, where the fuck is
Speaker 3: Robert House?
Speaker 2: I need him. Victa's like House is gone, He's.
Speaker 3: Not here, and the goals like, well, I don't know
Speaker 3: about that, because that bitch had plans for everything.
Speaker 2: He ruined my fucking life.
Speaker 3: And he's like House definitely had schemes and plans and
Speaker 3: plots upon plots. So what do we do? And Rob
Speaker 3: obviously needed this called fusion device, the thing that we
Speaker 3: now know.
Speaker 2: That the Brotherhood of Steel have.
Speaker 3: And there's been talk of this artifact, so it's very
Speaker 3: interesting to do. And Victor is essentially like, hey, there's
Speaker 3: some NCR ranges in the hills. Maybe you can use
Speaker 3: them to make your plan, which is not gonna go
Speaker 3: off for them, Sorry to those ranges.
Speaker 1: Harkness takes Maximus up in the helicopter and they're flying
Speaker 1: around talking about like what to do. Max is like
Speaker 1: looking at all the Commonwealth hardware and how well it's
Speaker 1: maintained and how cool it is, and he's kind of
Speaker 1: blown away and how cool it is. And Harkness makes
Speaker 1: his ultimate pitch, which is like, listen, unless Quintus gives
Speaker 1: us the cold Fusion relic, there's going to be a war,
Speaker 1: and that war will entail me shooting at you, you
Speaker 1: shooting at me on the front lines, and nobody wants that.
Speaker 1: So you know, what do we do? Harkness is basically like, listen,
Speaker 1: it's going to be the end of civilization. Unless the
Speaker 1: Commonwealth gets the relic, that's who should have the give
Speaker 1: it to us, Yes, And while they're flying, Harkness picks
Speaker 1: up a signal that is a signal that there are robots,
Speaker 1: sentient robots down there, and that is one of the
Speaker 1: brotherhood of Steels main enemies Ghuls and robots, robots and ghouls,
Speaker 1: and so Harkness is like, what do you think max
Speaker 1: you want to take them down? And Maximus is like
Speaker 1: hell yeah. So they land somewhere to go take out
Speaker 1: these robots.
Speaker 3: The Ghoul finds the New California Republic and is like, hey,
Speaker 3: how's it going, And the funniest thing is they just
Speaker 3: fucking hit him over the head and they're like, we're taking.
Speaker 2: Him to the camp.
Speaker 3: They're like, there's no politeness here, take him to the camp.
Speaker 3: And the girls like, you guys look like shit, which
Speaker 3: is you know coming from him?
Speaker 2: I love?
Speaker 3: And Captain Malriguez is like, look, there's no fucking back
Speaker 3: up here. There's no other people coming. We've been here
Speaker 3: for ten years, and we want to get our Eastern
Speaker 3: Battalion to come out and help us. Like can you
Speaker 3: help us? And the girls like, first of all, if
Speaker 3: this is the Civil War, you're fucking losing. And if
Speaker 3: you think you're winning, you're losing. Second of all, I
Speaker 3: got my own issues, including finding my family, saving this
Speaker 3: random girl, doing a lot of stuff. And Rodriguez is like, look,
Speaker 3: you can turn the tide. You can do it, and
Speaker 3: girls like well, if you're the last New California Republic,
Speaker 3: then maybe you fucking deserve to lose, because there's just
Speaker 3: two of you in a camp.
Speaker 1: Harkness in Maximus in their power armor or Maximus in
Speaker 1: borrowed power armor, go into this building. They're looking for
Speaker 1: the robots. Harkness takes out a super sledge first time
Speaker 1: we've seen a super sledge, I believe, and fallout, which
Speaker 1: is the rocket powered sledgehammer, which I always love to
Speaker 1: use in the game. And they find a robot. They
Speaker 1: fucking kill it. They rip out its power supply. Harkness
Speaker 1: is like, hey, Max, you want to try the super sledge.
Speaker 1: They try to boy at the legionary camp. Lucy is
Speaker 1: like basically barely hanging on. She's likes.
Speaker 2: They just tied her up.
Speaker 3: The shoulders are coming out of Joina lips of crusty.
Speaker 2: She's a llucinating or is she now?
Speaker 3: Or she?
Speaker 1: But she's not. The Ghoul is in the camp. He
Speaker 1: goes to see the Kaisar and proposes a trade. He's like, listen, hey,
Speaker 1: if you give me what I want, I'll give you
Speaker 1: what you want. We don't know what he is offering
Speaker 1: a trade, but it's clear that eventually what he's offering
Speaker 1: the Legion is the location of that final NCR bas
Speaker 1: up in the Hills in exchange or Lucy.
Speaker 3: In the past, Cooper watches Charlie and Charlie talks about
Speaker 3: the first time he met Cooper during a war with China,
Speaker 3: and he's like Cooper was.
Speaker 2: Unselfish in a team player.
Speaker 3: He tells this story about when he was dragging him
Speaker 3: saving his life and he was covered in burns. Charlie
Speaker 3: looked down at him and the first thing he said
Speaker 3: to Charlie was, how are the other men like?
Speaker 2: This is a man who.
Speaker 3: Loves his soldiers, He loves his friends, and we see
Speaker 3: that here now where Lucy is cut down.
Speaker 2: The gul leads her out of the camp.
Speaker 3: As we listen to Charlie's speech about the bitterness of
Speaker 3: war and really he's looking straight at Coop, so this
Speaker 3: is really a conversation to him saying, hey man, take
Speaker 3: on the Robert House mission. Also, Charlie gets the award,
Speaker 3: the Bravery Award for the veterans, and it's a memorial
Speaker 3: lighter and he gives it to Cooper and he says,
Speaker 3: hey man, He's like, they gave it to me for
Speaker 3: the one life I saved, but not the three I took,
Speaker 3: kind of saying to him, like you can kill Rob House,
Speaker 3: and you can kill somebody who fucking does herves it
Speaker 3: by the way, and.
Speaker 5: Then saved millions of lives, and then you know the
Speaker 5: ghoul is Basically we cut back to him heading over
Speaker 5: after this emotional moment in the future, and he says
Speaker 5: to Lucy, he's like, look, man, maybe I fucking made
Speaker 5: a mistake saving you.
Speaker 2: She's like, thank you. I'm so nice, though, don't you
Speaker 2: love me? And he's and he's like, but.
Speaker 3: And I think this is again this kind of implication
Speaker 3: that he's not really going to sell out or try
Speaker 3: to sell out the people that he cares about or
Speaker 3: has relationships with, because he has spotted dynamite on the
Speaker 3: way out of the camp and somehow stole the detonator
Speaker 3: or had a detonator on hand because he's an old
Speaker 3: timey Western guy, and rather than letting the Legion get
Speaker 3: to the California New Republic, he starts blowing up the
Speaker 3: dynamite in the middle, setting off this kind of legion
Speaker 3: mini civil war, and they start killing each other, and
Speaker 3: him and Lucy walk off into the dusty sunset.
Speaker 1: Harkness and Max they we realize that they're in the
Speaker 1: bottling facility from the cold open and you know, Harkness
Speaker 1: has found like a ghoul child that is hits like
Speaker 1: everybody come out. So he calls for everybody to come
Speaker 1: out and saw all these kids such a nice.
Speaker 3: This is fun, Yes, this is.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Harkness then begins splitting up the kids into gool group
Speaker 1: and human group, with clearly the intention of killing all
Speaker 1: the ghoul kids. Fattius comes out and is like, hey,
Speaker 1: like I realize I don't have a lot of leverage here.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of like the stand up,
Speaker 1: but like if you could like not kill the kids
Speaker 1: that are guls, that would really be great. Harkness is like, no,
Speaker 1: you guys are all abominations, and like crazy, you're all
Speaker 1: very sweet, this is all very nice in the nice conversation,
Speaker 1: but you guys are abominations and so you're all gonna
Speaker 1: have to die. But before he could do that, Max
Speaker 1: hits him in the head with the super sledge absolutely
Speaker 1: when hundred percent killing him. He's dead. Oh man, Max
Speaker 1: pops his face plate.
Speaker 2: All that Jason, you knew Hawkness was not gonna survive.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Max pops his face plate Thaddeus immediately
Speaker 1: recognizes him and they briefly catch up before Max says,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I accidentally started a war. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and come back and talk about this episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. Another very dense episode that throws a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff at us. We got the Legionaire's Caesar's legion.
Speaker 1: We saw some new California Republic folks that are like
Speaker 1: ten years out from the destruction of Shady Acres, and
Speaker 1: the NCR still hanging on somehow in the hills. And
Speaker 1: we see the Brotherhood of Steel schism happening, and of
Speaker 1: course the untimely death of Harkness. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this one. We talked about it last episode. Whether
Speaker 1: Harkness is a synth, a courser, or a synthetic human?
Speaker 1: Is that the end? Are we going to find out
Speaker 1: when Max pulls the sledge out of the helmet of
Speaker 1: Harkness's power armor that actually Harkness is a robot? And
Speaker 1: does that mean we're going to see Harkness again?
Speaker 3: That would be hilarious. I could definitely see that. I
Speaker 3: think there's two roots. I basically think that if he
Speaker 3: pulls it out and we just kind of move on.
Speaker 3: Then I think that we'll get the surprise reveal later
Speaker 3: when at some point Harkness is just there and everyone's
Speaker 3: going to and max is going to be late.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Because also that would mean the Brotherhood stills using modern
Speaker 3: technology and using synth and robots and everything, so that'd
Speaker 3: be very controversial.
Speaker 2: So or the other option is he pulls it out of.
Speaker 3: His head and he sees it as a robot and
Speaker 3: then we kind of unfurl it from there, which I
Speaker 3: think would also probably help him feel less like he
Speaker 3: just started a global world war.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was such a fun, interesting reveal.
Speaker 3: I felt like Kamal's like too big to kill him
Speaker 3: like that, but you called it. I was just like
Speaker 3: absolutely cheering on Maximus. Obviously, ghoul kids are not abominations
Speaker 3: like it shows how kind of need for even though
Speaker 3: we see that the Commonwealth is very well equipped and
Speaker 3: modern and when it comes to like, you know, how
Speaker 3: well their worlies are kept and stuff, they clearly have
Speaker 3: just as archaic kind of like dogmatic rules as any
Speaker 3: other but version because he's like legit making jokes and
Speaker 3: winking at the kids that he calls smooth skins aka
Speaker 3: the human kids and like while he's lining up the
Speaker 3: other kids to be killed. So this is a no
Speaker 3: joke situation for the Brotherhood of Still but Maximus once
Speaker 3: again coming through on the right side history. Jason, as
Speaker 3: a game player, how did this feel? You feel like
Speaker 3: that they take with three episodes in?
Speaker 2: Are we too? Are they taking too long to get
Speaker 2: to New Vegas.
Speaker 3: And really be in that law or are we waiting
Speaker 3: for that kind of mid season?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: It's interesting? No, I think we've I think it's enough.
Speaker 1: I I do think that we are basically in New Vegas. Listen,
Speaker 1: you know we talked about it last episode that while
Speaker 1: when you see the outskirts of it, it looks a
Speaker 1: lot more built up than it is in the game.
Speaker 1: The game honestly more resembles that bedraggled NCR Bass in
Speaker 1: the Hills than the exactly it resembles anything else. So
Speaker 1: I think this is fine. I think my question is
Speaker 1: was it too much of the side quests and not
Speaker 1: enough of the main quest. The Robert House stuff is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I need more Robert House.
Speaker 3: That's the mystery I'm most interested in this season.
Speaker 1: The way he approaches Coop in the bathroom, seemingly waiting
Speaker 1: for him. Does he have an idea that.
Speaker 2: Coop knows made? I could that he felt.
Speaker 1: Very weighted to me that particular conversation, Like what is
Speaker 1: he essentially trying to convince Cooper? Well, I'm because he's, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested by this time period because we're also
Speaker 3: obviously even though this is you know, like twenty seventy
Speaker 3: seven or whatever around that period, it's very like influenced
Speaker 3: by the fifties, right, And it's this kind of McCarthy ism.
Speaker 3: Like I love the notion that, yeah, it did feel
Speaker 3: like House was pointedly asking him. But also if you
Speaker 3: were somebody who had uh, you know, sensibilities or sensitivities
Speaker 3: towards the notions of communism or ideas of like socialism,
Speaker 3: that is probably how every conversation felt when someone brought
Speaker 3: that up to you.
Speaker 2: So I also kind of love that duality.
Speaker 3: But knowing Robert House, I mean, my assumption is he knows,
Speaker 3: and he probably has some other way that he's going
Speaker 3: to try and manipulate Coop against thinking it's against his wife,
Speaker 3: but really it's part of the larger plan.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised.
Speaker 3: If we found out the Coop and there was some
Speaker 3: kind of experiments he agreed to. There's all kinds of
Speaker 3: stuff that we could see happen, because when it comes
Speaker 3: to his family, he's gonna make those risks and take
Speaker 3: those risks.
Speaker 1: Why is Coop looking for house in New Vegas? Do
Speaker 1: we think? And what you know? When he goes to
Speaker 1: talk to the robot Victor and is like, where's Robert house?
Speaker 1: What is he expecting? And does that mean he never
Speaker 1: got to Vegas the first time?
Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering, because that makes me think
Speaker 3: he hasn't, or at least not for a very long time.
Speaker 2: I think he's looking for his family.
Speaker 3: And he's hoping the house will know whether they are cryogenically, whether.
Speaker 2: They are you know, living in a vault, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Maybe we're gonna find out that his wife and house
Speaker 3: are together or something, and maybe it's like a spawn
Speaker 3: type situation where now they're raising the kid like that
Speaker 3: would be really crazy, But I definitely think that's why
Speaker 3: he's looking for house. I also just think that this
Speaker 3: justin through house thing is so intriguing, and why is
Speaker 3: he just like in a men's toilet, in a bathroom
Speaker 3: in a veteran's association that is also clearly like underloved
Speaker 3: and not like well looked after. So also this is
Speaker 3: a crazy one through out there, but we'd already talked
Speaker 3: about it because of the double casting. Is Robert House
Speaker 3: using like synth style animatronics like out and about in
Speaker 3: the world prior to this where he's like using them
Speaker 3: to basically spy, Like is he Walt Disney with his animatronics?
Speaker 3: But he has them out in the world already, Because
Speaker 3: I was like, why is he down there? And it
Speaker 3: came so close after the Harkness thing that I started
Speaker 3: like putting things together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder that as well. It certainly seemed to
Speaker 1: me as if he was trying to get Coop to
Speaker 1: agree that any means necessary to take over the world
Speaker 1: in order to stop communism is the right move. When
Speaker 1: he that whole conversation around pushing billions of people into
Speaker 1: a corner, I think he's saying, listen, communism is on
Speaker 1: the rise. It's very strong. Look around here in this
Speaker 1: veterans hall. Here we've got Charlie, your friend who's a pinko.
Speaker 1: You might be a Pinko, Like the Pinkos are getting
Speaker 1: stronger and we've got to do something, do we not?
Speaker 1: So I think he's I don't know if he's pitching
Speaker 1: Coop because he knows that Coop knows about the conspiracy,
Speaker 1: or if he's just pitching Coop because Barb is important
Speaker 1: and he wants to make sure the entire family is
Speaker 1: on board. Or does he want to use Coop as
Speaker 1: like does he want to mind control Coop?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think that's where it's going.
Speaker 1: I think these I do wonder, you know, we saw
Speaker 1: the skeletons of veterans, and I do wonder if Coop's
Speaker 1: plan wasn't to take these vets, brain control them into
Speaker 1: thinking that they are into acting like they're Chinese invaders,
Speaker 1: and use them as the false flag, including Coop as
Speaker 1: the false flag to start, okay, the war, to create
Speaker 1: a precursor, a pretext for launching the war.
Speaker 2: I think you are right.
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely a great way of tying in
Speaker 3: the early Mesmetron stuff. Plus, you know, Dallas gold Tooth,
Speaker 3: that's not really a guest spot one episode guy anymore.
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised if we get a flashback
Speaker 3: later this season that shows that they say that some
Speaker 3: communists you know, spy and we learned that it was
Speaker 3: Charlie and that maybe they were able to do that
Speaker 3: to him, you know, and that would have been obviously
Speaker 3: horrific to Koop, and he knows how Charlie really feels
Speaker 3: about the government, so he'd also know it wasn't something
Speaker 3: he would choose to do.
Speaker 2: I think that could be so.
Speaker 3: Interesting also, Jason, seeing as we're on the Fallout topic,
Speaker 3: one of the things that we were going to bring
Speaker 3: up in news, but I think is a good thing
Speaker 3: to bring up here while we're discussing the episode.
Speaker 2: They actually mentioned recently that.
Speaker 3: Four out five will contain canon from the show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think that the notion of what we were
Speaker 3: talking about about Vault twenty four and stuff where that
Speaker 3: had been hinted at in the other stuff but wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily canon, really to the game. The idea that behind
Speaker 3: the Starlight drive in was the Vault twenty four stuff
Speaker 3: like that, I think we're gonna then get to see explored.
Speaker 2: Is there anything from this season.
Speaker 3: Thus far that you would really love to get a
Speaker 3: chance to play in the next Fallout oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think like the I do think the
Speaker 1: Legionary schism. I mean it's in the game right, the
Speaker 1: Legionaries are war with the New California Republic and the
Speaker 1: Brothers and Steeler involved in that. But like this Brotherhood
Speaker 1: of steel civil War brewing rebellion is a really interesting development.
Speaker 1: I will also add, you know, with them putting more clearly,
Speaker 1: this means there's going to be more New Vegas lore
Speaker 1: in right. That's why I fall Out proper, which you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because New Vegas was created by Obsidian, not
Speaker 1: by Bethesda. They contracted out with a with a different
Speaker 1: company to make that that sequel while they were working
Speaker 1: on Fallout four, because it was in between Fallout three
Speaker 1: and Fallout four. And my sense has always been that
Speaker 1: the feelings at Bethesda were like complicated about New Vegas
Speaker 1: because New Vegas is absolutely beloved, especially about like hardcore.
Speaker 3: Oh it's the best, yeah, many will tell people.
Speaker 1: Will tell you. People will tell you that it's their favorite.
Speaker 1: And I think my sense has always been that that's
Speaker 1: complicated for Bethesda, like they wanted it to be good,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want it to be like so bad.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird for Bethesda that they didn't make
Speaker 1: this and people fucking love it. So I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see more New Vegas kind
Speaker 1: of threads and lore adapted from the show that is
Speaker 1: adapted from the game involved in Fallout five. But I
Speaker 1: think it's great to tie all of this stuff together
Speaker 1: because I think the overarching conspiracy talking about this with
Speaker 1: friends last night, Fallout three is my favorite story. New
Speaker 1: Vegas is great. I love it, but it's not my favorite.
Speaker 1: And Fallout four, I think I love the Institute conspiracy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love the settlement building, but I think the story
Speaker 1: falls a little flat. If there is a way in
Speaker 1: Fallout five to tie all of these conspiracies together and
Speaker 1: storylines together a cohesive way, I think that would be
Speaker 1: really cool. And of course, like listen, this is probably
Speaker 1: my favorite game series of all time, so I can't
Speaker 1: wait for a Fallout five. What do you think about
Speaker 1: having some of the game some of the TV stuff
Speaker 1: in Fallout five?
Speaker 3: To me, somebody who really doesn't have as much of
Speaker 3: an extensive knowledge of the games as you more would
Speaker 3: like somebody who's just played with friends and watch friends play,
Speaker 3: and especially New Vegas.
Speaker 2: I love anything like this, because I.
Speaker 3: Think all of I think a true dream of any adaptation,
Speaker 3: whether it's adapting a video game for Amazon Prime or
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, webtoon doing DC comics like Batman
Speaker 3: Family Adventures, it should be a two way street. You're
Speaker 3: not just trying to bring new people to your platform,
Speaker 3: which is obviously what Amazon is doing. They want to
Speaker 3: have people watching it, but you also want people who've
Speaker 3: never played a Fallout game to go and play the games.
Speaker 3: And that is what I think keeps these kind of
Speaker 3: you know, cultural legacy franchises fresh is introducing new audiences,
Speaker 3: new people to interact with them. So anything like this
Speaker 3: where somebody can go from watching this to then getting
Speaker 3: into Triple A gaming via it, I think is really exciting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love that, and I.
Speaker 3: Would love to see, you know, a little bit of
Speaker 3: kind of weirder, deeper, low gameplay, like if you I
Speaker 3: love this idea of fall Out five being like very
Speaker 3: narratively meaningful and kind of having all the trappings of
Speaker 3: a Fallout game, but maybe managing to tie all of
Speaker 3: this law together.
Speaker 2: I mean, that could.
Speaker 3: Become one of the greatest games of all time if
Speaker 3: they did it in a way that felt realistic and true.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue our coverage of Fallout season
Speaker 1: two on the next episode of extra Vision. We're highlighting
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