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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Strictly Business, the podcast that

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Speaker 1: goes deep with some of the brightest minds working in

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Speaker 1: media today. I'm Andrew Wallenstein, co editor in chief of Variety.

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Speaker 1: With her long running daytime talk show, Ellen Degenerous is

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Speaker 1: known primarily as a TV star, but the multi platform

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Speaker 1: empire she has built around herself in recent years has

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Speaker 1: made clear she is a powerful brand as well in

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Speaker 1: online video, social media, even gaming apps and to run

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Speaker 1: all that from her business. The Generous turns to our

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Speaker 1: next guest, Michael Riley, General manager of Ellen Digital Ventures. Michael, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew, and thanks very much to you and a

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Speaker 1: Variety for having me here today. Excellent. Uh, what I

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Speaker 1: want people to understand off the top is people might

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Speaker 1: think when I read that kind of set up, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's cute, she's got a website and a Twitter account,

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Speaker 1: just like everyone else on Earth. But it's so much

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Speaker 1: more than that. So can you lay out really what

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Speaker 1: Ellen Digital Ventures. I started over a year ago now,

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Speaker 1: but Ellen and her show have been going now for

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Speaker 1: sixteen years, and what's amazing is really to see over

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Speaker 1: that sixteen year period how they've transitioned and how now

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Speaker 1: we are transitioning sixteen years in the television space into

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Speaker 1: to your question, it's sort of in a what we

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Speaker 1: call the Ellen Digital network is is is an amazing

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Speaker 1: amalgamation of not only across platform followers and subscribers. Were

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Speaker 1: So that is just remarkable when you think of you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's brands out there like I don't know of

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Speaker 1: views and all that. But you're building this and I'm

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Speaker 1: even sure what to say here. Are you building it

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Speaker 1: it's building an organic brand that at its core is

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Speaker 1: it's really about authenticity. And if there's anything that Ellen

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Speaker 1: and it's how are we taking the talent, how are

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Speaker 1: it generates over a billion views a month. The only

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey was a daytime personality who didn't build that

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Speaker 1: You guys are really doing the same thing. You just

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Speaker 1: And how are we actually taking Ellen, not only the

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Speaker 1: I would also think that making Ellen digital first really

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Speaker 1: We actually just launched a podcast in September, and we

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Speaker 1: get a deeper engagement into the show that people have

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Speaker 1: known for sixteen years. And it's been a really fun

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Speaker 1: combination of not only Ellen experiences, but now the people

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Speaker 1: you know, we're excited to be in that space and

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Speaker 1: tested out and lean into you know, these new opportunities. Well,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like you've got a lot of irons in

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Speaker 1: the fire. Appreciate you walking me through every piece of

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Speaker 1: the Ellen Empire. It's a really exciting for us to

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Speaker 1: because I really do. I love this idea of limitless opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Having been in cable for fifteen years, this is something

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited. Terrific, Thanks again for your time. Great,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for tuning into another episode of

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Speaker 1: Strictly Business. Come back next week for another podcast and

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Speaker 1: Trees sit down with some of the brightest minds and

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