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Speaker 1: To all of you joining us at Crime Online and

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. It is Christmas Eve, and I want to

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Speaker 1: I am writing a book and I've been pouring over

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Speaker 1: facts and statistics and this name popped up, Dorothy Baker.

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Speaker 1: And when I read her story, I have to share

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Speaker 1: it with you. It could just save your life. How

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Speaker 1: many times have I walked into the Ecorts as I

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Speaker 1: call every single drug store I go into, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Write eight or walk Rains or CBS, I call it

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Speaker 1: all the Eckert. We were going into Eckert. So we

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Speaker 1: came out and I realized I had not watched my

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Speaker 1: How many times moms have you done that? Dads? Well,

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker came out of the CBS, took off with

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Speaker 1: her two little boys, and was attacked Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It was just an ordinary Friday afternoon. The

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Speaker 1: mother walked out of CBS with her two kids. She

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Speaker 1: after people with kids. And I told him that he

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker. Because of her quick thinking, two year old

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Speaker 1: Jaden and five year old Xavier are safe tonight. They

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Speaker 1: were all shopping at CBS when police said fifty four

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Speaker 1: old Ismael Martinez hidden their unlocked van. He popped up

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Speaker 1: out of the back seat and said that if I

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Speaker 1: do exactly what he said. Don't mess with Texas, or

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Speaker 1: at least a Texas mommy. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us and with

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Speaker 1: me right now to tell the story herself. She lived

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Speaker 1: to tell the tale the mom who not only fought

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Speaker 1: I could not be happier, Dorothy Baker. Welcome. Thank you

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Dorothy Baker. I appreciate your long pause

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Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole story. From the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you're going to the CVS. Was it

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Speaker 1: in broad daylight? It was, Yes, it was broad daylight.

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Speaker 1: the morning. It was probably around time o'clock that morning. Dang,

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Speaker 1: I mean also joining me crime online dot com investigative

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Speaker 1: dot com. Ashley Wilcott, hit show host, investigation Discovery Fatal Vows,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, forensics professor Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, Ashley Wilcott. First thing in the morning,

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Speaker 1: a PERV in the back. See to your car. That's

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Speaker 1: which of us wouldn't freak out? And you don't imagine that,

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Speaker 1: just can't save it enough. Baytown Mom Dorothy Baker takes

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Speaker 1: And I was walking into Kroger's because um, I was

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Speaker 1: I thought nobody did that. But everyone in my hometown

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Speaker 1: So you see this guy in kroger All right? Then

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Speaker 1: I hate to keep interrupting you, Dorothy Baker, but you're

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Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist, and you and all your degrees. Very

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Speaker 1: often I think you pooh poo me when I say

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything that you just said. I

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Speaker 1: She says. Martinez waved around a large night He directed

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Speaker 1: Baker kept driving, but used one hand to try to

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Speaker 1: When Baker refused, she says, Martinez got violent, slashing her

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Martinez was lifelighted to a Memorial

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Speaker 1: Hermann Hospital with serious injuries, and that's what matters. You

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Speaker 1: are hearing katrktvs Poujia Lodia talking about superstar Dorothy Baker

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Speaker 1: hearing Charles Flugians talking right now with us Dorothy Baker.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy goes into CVS with two of her little boys,

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Speaker 1: Just I remember one time John David had had a

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Speaker 1: First thought in my head was Bill Panicum, because I

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Speaker 1: no way. Um. My second thought was he really messed up.

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Speaker 1: what did he say? I asked him? I said what

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Speaker 1: what do you want? He said, I need some money

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Speaker 1: and she's gonna do whatever she has to do to

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Speaker 1: protect her babies. And that's what this is all about. Guys.

429
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Ismail Martinez gets a knife and gets into Dorothy Baker's

430
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: backseat and waits, waits like a wolf, like a fox,

431
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: like a coyote, for her and her little boys to

432
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Speaker 1: get back in. Well, she turned the tables on him, Dorothy.

433
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: After this guy bit, you attacked, you hit, you try

434
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: to slice your throat, your legs sliced across your heart

435
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: and your chest, you punch him in the nose and

436
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: somehow forced him out of the car. Then what happened, Well,

437
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: he when he bit in my hand, he was he

438
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: was trying to get me to let go of his

439
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: knife because I had his knife by then. Um, and

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00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I've got the scars on my hand to to prove. Wait,

441
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: you manage to disarm Ismail Martinez. You got the knife

442
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: away from knife away from him, and and that's why

443
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: you bit my hand. He did you punch him in

444
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: the face? I did? Did you punch in the fact?

445
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: I where did it land? I hope in the nose

446
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: because that really hurts. I had the knife in my

447
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: right hand and he bit my hand, and when he

448
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't going to let go, he just

449
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: kind of looked at me, and I switched the knife

450
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: from my right hand to my left hand and I

451
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: just pulled off and punched him square in the jaw.

452
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: And he looked at me shocked. Yeah, this whole thing

453
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: had totally gone sideways for him. Listen, today, a family

454
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: is safe because of one mother's brave act. You don't

455
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: come after people with kids. And I told him that

456
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: he messed with the wrong which Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

457
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker and her two young children were shomping at

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Speaker 1: a CBS and they Texas when police say fifty four

459
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: year old Ismael Martinez hid in Baker's unlock van. He

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00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: popped up out of the back seat and said that

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Speaker 1: if I didn't want my kids to get hurt, that

462
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I would do exactly what he said. I didn't mean

463
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Speaker 1: to run him over. I was just trying to stop

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Speaker 1: him so he didn't hurt anybody else. That's her story

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Speaker 1: and she is sticking to it. You're hearing kat r

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Speaker 1: KTVs Poujia Lodia speaking with our superstar Dorothy Baker, who

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Speaker 1: was with us right now. A carjacker sneaks into Mommy's

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Speaker 1: car as she's in the Echards as I call it,

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Speaker 1: the CVS where there are two little boys, two of six.

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00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: When they get back in the car, he's hiding in

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00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: the back seat with a knife. But not only did

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker manage to punch him in the face, she

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00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: wrestled the knife away from Ismael Martinez, kicks him out

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Speaker 1: of the minivan and then whoopsie runs over him. So

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, when all of this is happening and with

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Speaker 1: me right now from Baytown, Texas, Dorothy Baker, what are

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00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: your boys doing during all of this? Um? At some point,

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00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: my my youngest at the time, he was he had

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00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: stopped crying. UM. And my five year old he actually hid.

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Speaker 1: He really didn't, he didn't do much anything. He was

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00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: in shock. I mean when when the guy grabbed him,

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00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: I could see like all the life go out of

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Speaker 1: my son's face. Uh. So that was that was not

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00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a good uh, not a good feeling. So um. But

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00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: my kids they were they were safe and they didn't

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Speaker 1: get hurt. There was no no cuts on them, no,

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00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: no nothing. Well, let me ask you, this one goes

488
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: into basically shock mode. Which one was in shocking? Which

489
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: one was screaming his head off? My two year old

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00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: he was the one in the car seat screaming. And

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Speaker 1: my older boy, that five year old, he was the

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Speaker 1: one that went into shock. To Dorothy Baker joining me, Now,

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Speaker 1: do you remember the moment you hit the gas and

494
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: mowed him down? Yeah, I do. I was watching him

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00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: run away, And what went through my head was he

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00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: was he was at Kroger's. He was close enough to

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Speaker 1: walk there. He didn't have a vehicle. He had a

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Speaker 1: knife this time. What happens if I see him next

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Speaker 1: time and he has a gun and I have all

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Speaker 1: my kids, or what happens if there's a mother who

501
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: doesn't it isn't going to be able to help her kids,

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00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: and she panics and she's got a baby, and he

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00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: goes after her. And I thought to myself, I'll be

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00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: barned if I'm gonna let that happen and watch him

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Speaker 1: walk away. And my intention was as he was running away,

506
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: was I went after him, and I had my door

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00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: to where I was going to open it and hit

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Speaker 1: him with it, and and we were. When I was

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00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: driving behind him, he made a swerve and I had

510
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: sped up just right then at I guess, the perfect time,

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00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: and I heard him hit my tires. And the only

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Speaker 1: thing I thought after that was, oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to jail because I just killed this man. What's

514
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: going to happen to my kid? Dorothy, at that time,

515
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: you had no idea that this guy had already done

516
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: hard jail time on a rape conviction. No, I didn't

517
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: know he was stalking you at the grocery store. Didn't

518
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: matter that you had two little children. He got in

519
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: your car with a knife, knowing you would get back in.

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: He knew which car you got out of. He watched

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00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: you leave Kroger and grow across the street. He followed you,

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00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: He got into your car and was waiting on you.

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00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I think the whole ATM thing was a ruse. He

524
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: was after you or your children. To Nicole Parton joining

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Martinez had already

526
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: done hard jail time for rape. What happened to him

527
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: after he gets run down by Dorothy? That's true. This

528
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: guy obviously no saint, a sexual offender. He had been

529
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: jailed on this rape conviction, but thanks to Dorothy, not anymore.

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: He of course was injured. He was air flighted to

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Speaker 1: the hospital where he was going to be charged once

532
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: he was released from the hospital, pending the outcome. So

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00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: this guy was life flighted. Yes, he was in serious

534
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: condition for some reason. I'm not crying. Dorothy Baker with us, Dorothy,

535
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: when you got your children home and they were safe,

536
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: what did they want to know? What were their questions? Well,

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00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: the two that were with me, they didn't really have

538
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: any The other ones they were they were making sure

539
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: that we were okay. You know, they they saw the

540
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: cuts and they asked me if I needed to go

541
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Speaker 1: to the hospital. You know, if I was okay, if

542
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: we just kind of um hugged and and we're happy

543
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: that everybody was was safe. In the month, the weeks

544
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and months that followed the incident, How did that affect

545
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: your boys? Um? They were very reserved and Um, even

546
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: to this day, my two year old, UM, UM, he's

547
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: very weary about people. He doesn't he doesn't like anybody. UM.

548
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: So if he, if he does, it's it's almost a miracle. Um,

549
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: he's he's very quiet at school. Um. Even my ten

550
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: year old, he's he's very quiet. And there we just

551
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: basically stayed for ourselves, honestly. Um. They go to school,

552
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I go to work, they come home, and that's that's

553
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: pretty much the extent of our our lives. Do you

554
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: feel that it changed your life? Um? Yeah, it did.

555
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not something that you want to ever

556
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: go through. Lucky for me, I'm a I'm a chronic

557
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: over overthinker and over analyzer. So I put myself in

558
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: certain scenarios and try to figure out what I would

559
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: do if this would happen, And mainly The conclusion that

560
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: I always come to is if I panic, I'm not

561
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: going to survive any of the situations. And that's one

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00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: thing that you know, I want other people to understand,

563
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: is that no matter what happens, if you panic, it's

564
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: going to make a situation worse. You have to stay

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00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: calm and clearheaded so you can think logically about what's

566
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: going to happen, what you can do to get out

567
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: of the situation. UM. That's that's the most important thing.

568
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not something that you you ever

569
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: think could happen to you. UM. Has it changed the

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00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: way that you behave or how you travel, or how

571
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: you go around with your children? It is, UM, it

572
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: always did. I didn't drive my van and I actually

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00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: got rid of it. UM. I still to this day,

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Speaker 1: UM will not let my kids in the car until

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00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: I've looked in the car. UM. I I'm always very

576
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: um observant of my surroundings and the people around me. UM.

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00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: I watch if they're following me, or if they're going

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: in the same direction. UM. If I feel like someone's

579
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: following me, I'll make detours to see things like that.

580
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's made me very very untrusting of people.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, I have done a little research

582
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Speaker 1: on Ismael Martinez. The same Ismael Martinez was sentenced to

583
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: thirty years on aggravated robbery. He also had possession of

584
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: an illegal substance, arson, burglary in the building, and rape.

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00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: On the rape charge, he had gotten forty years, but

586
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: he was out and about when you look back on this,

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, what do you think I think if I

588
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: would have made that left turn, I think he would

589
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: have put to murder. To be honest with you, I don't.

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00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he had any intention of allowing me

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00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: or or my kids to go free. Dorothy Baker saved

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00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: not only her life, but the lives of her two

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Speaker 1: little boys, and hopefully her story we'll save other lives.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,