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Speaker 3: What's popping. Doc Prescott is going to have hamstring surgery.
Speaker 3: His season is going to be open.
Speaker 2: I hate to see it. I hate to see it.
Speaker 2: So no, DAK number four is done. He's afore the season.
Speaker 2: This is why you signed those long term deals, my friends.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Get your money while
Speaker 2: you can. Man, never pass up a dime either. I
Speaker 2: don't go. Nobody tells you, yeah, you're making all this
Speaker 2: money off the field. Take a little. No discounts, man,
Speaker 2: none at all.
Speaker 4: You gotta get all your money's while you can. The
Speaker 4: NFL stands for not for long. So get your bread man,
Speaker 4: and he got two thirty one guaranteed. I think that's
Speaker 4: something ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Arty, get it all more than Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that, Like I agent.
Speaker 3: I don't need a million more, sir, Yeah, hey got
Speaker 3: them tell me these agents. These agents are always trying
Speaker 3: to make sure they look good because if you don't,
Speaker 3: okay that it gets.
Speaker 2: Used against you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I need one million more than him, and with all
Speaker 3: due respect, he's definitely worth a million more than de Sean.
Speaker 2: Watching man, You seen that guy playing man?
Speaker 4: Oh all right, j Bo Whiston coming out there looking
Speaker 4: better man, it's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, all right thoughts now, I mean it just
Speaker 6: sucks to see a season in like that.
Speaker 2: It really does.
Speaker 6: You don't want to see obviously, with the struggles that
Speaker 6: he was having, the team was having, offense was having
Speaker 6: before the connection between him and Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2: It just didn't want to see him go out like that. Obviously.
Speaker 6: When you talk about from a player, you're talking about
Speaker 6: from security standpoint. There are guys out here that are
Speaker 6: on one year deals that if they get injured, that
Speaker 6: there's a gray area on what they're gonna do next,
Speaker 6: you know. And I still am one of those people
Speaker 6: when I think about Dak in the season and how
Speaker 6: it obviously transpired with him signing the deal, I felt
Speaker 6: like Dak would have been good no matter what, just
Speaker 6: because of how the quarterback market is right now. Everybody
Speaker 6: would have been able to look at this team and
Speaker 6: go that just the offensive line, that just wouldn't have
Speaker 6: been it. But you still know what's in the tank
Speaker 6: for Dak. Me for me, man, I want to see
Speaker 6: the next version of Dak. I want to see Dak
Speaker 6: come back, and this is gonna be crazy. Coming back
Speaker 6: from a hamstring injury, a lot more mobile, a guy
Speaker 6: that can extend plays with his legs. He's gonna need that.
Speaker 6: He's going to need to have that. The NFL is
Speaker 6: going in that direction. You're gonna have to be able
Speaker 6: to move the pocket. Those are some of the things
Speaker 6: I think as the season went on, you was just like,
Speaker 6: come on, Dak, you can run for three You could
Speaker 6: do this or move the pocket if the offensive line
Speaker 6: is struggling. He was already We came into the season
Speaker 6: knowing that he needed to make those short area throws,
Speaker 6: a close proximity throws, man, throwing guys open, you know,
Speaker 6: being able to have touched on the ball. I know,
Speaker 6: guys going to the offseason, they go and they work
Speaker 6: with gurules and training little camps and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Get in that camp, man, start working like that because
Speaker 6: as guys age, as you've seen guy's age, they bring
Speaker 6: on certain other aspects of their game. Certain things have
Speaker 6: to be there. Touch on the ball, throwing guys open,
Speaker 6: things like that. Dak just needs to get better at that.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's been in the league for a very
Speaker 6: long time to nine years. Just there's still room for improvement,
Speaker 6: right and there's still things that this offense is gonna
Speaker 6: need from Dak. And as far as that's concerned, it's
Speaker 6: going to be his legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 4: Using the legs, you know, being able to throw into
Speaker 4: those type winds because as we see, you know, this season,
Speaker 4: you know, receivers weren't able to get as much separation
Speaker 4: as we see in the years past.
Speaker 2: So for me, you know, I just want that to
Speaker 2: get you.
Speaker 4: Know, back to making better decisions with the football. You know,
Speaker 4: we go back a couple of years ago, led the
Speaker 4: league intercessions with fifteen he corrected all of that last year,
Speaker 4: came back second in the MVP voting. You know, with
Speaker 4: the season he had out there taking care of the football,
Speaker 4: and you saw what the record was when he was
Speaker 4: able to do that another twelve and five season playoff birth.
Speaker 4: So I want him to get back to that taking
Speaker 4: care of the football, making better decisions out there. But
Speaker 4: once again, that comes along with having better offensive line,
Speaker 4: having a more balanced attack with the run game.
Speaker 2: But for me, you know, this season, man.
Speaker 4: It's ear really, ear really similar to that twenty fifteen
Speaker 4: year that I was a part of the year before
Speaker 4: Dak came here, when we started out to and oh
Speaker 4: but we lost Romo in the second game versus Philly,
Speaker 4: and from there on it was one of the biggest
Speaker 4: kids in Dallas Cowboys history. I mean it was tough.
Speaker 4: It was tough man, going from Castle to Kellen Moore
Speaker 4: to who else to be.
Speaker 2: Wheaton was in there. We started before Castle. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: trained for Castle. Castle came in there.
Speaker 4: We thought we had a shot and you know, literally
Speaker 4: did we know we had no shot at all?
Speaker 2: But you know, it made it extremely tough because.
Speaker 4: Because we knew we had the squad, you know, we
Speaker 4: had a squad. We had guys in their prime radar role.
Speaker 4: We just didn't have that guy at the helm to
Speaker 4: be able to get the job done. But to me,
Speaker 4: this is where your leaders. You gotta step up.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: You gotta make sure that you know, you keep everybody
Speaker 4: locked in defensively, offensively special teams because it's gonna get tough.
Speaker 4: It's gonna get tough, especially with the first play schedule.
Speaker 4: Schedule get doesn't get easier. So you're gonna go in
Speaker 4: the games massive underdogs, and we just need those leaders
Speaker 4: that when things aren't going right, when you know you
Speaker 4: got a couple of big plays defensively, offensive, struggling out there.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to see this team fall, you know, shambles.
Speaker 4: You know, get the leaders in there, make sure everybody's
Speaker 4: doing the same thing together. But it's gonna be tough,
Speaker 4: and it reminds me of twenty fifteen. Man, that was
Speaker 4: a tough year.
Speaker 3: So gentlemen, I'll pushback on what you said just this way.
Speaker 3: You've talked about the offense, but who knows what offense
Speaker 3: they'll be running next year and who'll be the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator and who will be the head Coachman right now, true,
Speaker 3: we don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know, so hey, but I tell you what,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have.
Speaker 6: The front office has some idea and they obviously whoever
Speaker 6: comes in will have to have an idea about who
Speaker 6: Dak is.
Speaker 2: That's this is the future. This is the guy that
Speaker 2: they was it two hundred and thirty one man one guaranteed.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's already on the books. He's it.
Speaker 6: He's it, no matter what you say, no matter what
Speaker 6: you do. So you're going to have to have a
Speaker 6: guy that understands how he plays, what he does, what's
Speaker 6: his strengths, what's his weaknesses. You can't come in with
Speaker 6: some exotic offense thinking that he No, that's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna work either. You like to think that, Oh
Speaker 2: absolutely I would.
Speaker 3: But at one point in time, Jerry hired Chan Gaily,
Speaker 3: who was trying to tell Troy Aitman to run his offense,
Speaker 3: and then Troy saw Jerry chand admitted later on I.
Speaker 2: Probably should have just had should have done with Troy
Speaker 2: asked for I mean.
Speaker 3: So so you say that, but you know what the
Speaker 3: coaches made. These coaches get.
Speaker 6: They getting their own way a lot, no matter what
Speaker 6: they do, no matter how they handle it. This next
Speaker 6: phase is going to have to come with the running game.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to be able to hand that ball
Speaker 6: off to somebody that you're confident in. Right now, they
Speaker 6: have zero confidence in their running back room.
Speaker 2: Did you hear Jerry today? Oh no, what my man's
Speaker 2: talking about? Jerry confidence and Zeke Elliott. You gotta be kidding.
Speaker 4: Waight away, Well, like like going forward for the rest
Speaker 4: of the year.
Speaker 3: Like he's going to be the league guy making me
Speaker 3: go in here and after after getting disciplined and then
Speaker 3: coming back and fumbling it on the goal line.
Speaker 2: Been about, you know, averaging a half a yard, that's what.
Speaker 6: That's what. Don't rock the boat. Don't rock the boat, baby,
Speaker 6: don't rock the boat.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones, one of five three. The fan said he
Speaker 2: is still seeing positive things from Zeke.
Speaker 3: You're Elliott quote. We're not living in the past with
Speaker 3: Zeke end quote.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, I get it. We're not living in the
Speaker 6: He ain't what he used to be. We don't live
Speaker 6: there no more. We're going forward with the baddest man
Speaker 6: on the planet.
Speaker 2: He was twenty sixteen. Well, it's back in the game.
Speaker 2: But what is he giving you your team this year?
Speaker 4: Like what is he giving to you know, have faith
Speaker 4: that he can be you know, some sort of you know,
Speaker 4: productivity on his office, short yard is he ain't it?
Speaker 4: Goal line back, he ain't it receiving all the backfield
Speaker 4: that's not doing it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't play specialty. You don't want to give guys
Speaker 2: like Duce an opportunity to see.
Speaker 4: Man, maybe you know, if he comes out here and
Speaker 4: performans we could use him in the future, or if
Speaker 4: he doesn't, we know, hey, all right, well that was
Speaker 4: the Duce package question.
Speaker 6: My question is a lot of times, man, these things
Speaker 6: that you're seeing in practice, you don't come out with
Speaker 6: anything a package or saying this is something that we
Speaker 6: because at this point there's no harm in getting a
Speaker 6: look at those young guys I have. I have no
Speaker 6: problem with saying, let's see what he has. Let's give him,
Speaker 6: you know, five to six plays that we know that
Speaker 6: we could capitalize on with him at this point, like
Speaker 6: looking just going back to just going back to Sunday,
Speaker 6: that fumble down on the goal line was critical. Itok,
Speaker 6: at a critical point of the game. We talk about
Speaker 6: the competitive phase of the game. Those that's when we
Speaker 6: your leaders, your dogs, the guys that you want to
Speaker 6: get behind. You need them to play as big as
Speaker 6: possible in those moments. Man, that fumble, Man, it basically
Speaker 6: stamped for me what you've been thinking about this team
Speaker 6: the entire season. Like if it's not for the penalties,
Speaker 6: it's the turnovers, it's you can't get out of your
Speaker 6: own way, and you get a drive when you finally
Speaker 6: start to see some life from Cooper Rush to me
Speaker 6: that was the drivers.
Speaker 2: Like okay, cool, all right, baby, you know.
Speaker 6: We starting to see you completing passes, the running game
Speaker 6: is starting to come together, You're starting to string some
Speaker 6: first downs in there.
Speaker 2: Finished this drive off, you know how?
Speaker 6: You know how bad this team has been in the
Speaker 6: red zone the last thing that you could possibly do.
Speaker 6: And not saying that it did any of this on purpose,
Speaker 6: but I'm just saying, like, this is where you gotta
Speaker 6: have it. And so many times you look around the
Speaker 6: league at guys are the veterans that right now that
Speaker 6: have an impactful seasons When you got to have it, time,
Speaker 6: proof and consistency, you could trust that they will get
Speaker 6: into the end zone, or at the least they won't
Speaker 6: cough it up.
Speaker 3: And to quote Master Yoda from start wars duel. This
Speaker 3: is why you fail.
Speaker 2: This is why you feel. Here it goes again, that's
Speaker 2: what you're saying. Here it goes again. That's where they're at.
Speaker 3: And with the quarterback being gone for the rest of
Speaker 3: the season, so take that out. Will Greer is going
Speaker 3: to be on the practice squad. So there's your third quarterback.
Speaker 2: Grier made it back for he's still getting them.
Speaker 4: You need to be a quarterback, come on play for
Speaker 4: fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Man Jerry Jones said, don't be surprised if Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: employees a package with Trey Lance to give him some
Speaker 3: opportunities and give opponents something to think about. McCarthy didn't
Speaker 3: say that yesterday. Jerry also said Cooper Rush gives them
Speaker 3: the best best chance to win as the starter. So
Speaker 3: once again, coach Jones said, you know, working on things.
Speaker 4: Do believe that Cooper Rush gives you the best opportunity.
Speaker 4: Like you know, the slim is an opportunity as it is,
Speaker 4: he gives you the best one. The Trey Lance thing,
Speaker 4: you know what, the defense is gonna be all right,
Speaker 4: He's in there to do a read option, but there's
Speaker 4: no threat of him pushing the football down the field,
Speaker 4: So you know, to me, what is that You're gonna
Speaker 4: get down to the reizon and say, all right, Trey
Speaker 4: Lance package.
Speaker 2: Time and then that slows the momentimum the offense. You
Speaker 2: need to know what you've got.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: They know what that man is. Man, y'all, y'all all
Speaker 2: know what that man is. We know both of them are.
Speaker 2: We all know we know both of them are.
Speaker 3: But I mean, for forty five yards passing for Cooper Rush,
Speaker 3: there was a whole section of fans on social media
Speaker 3: who thought, oh, Dak's gonna wat you watch Cooper Rush
Speaker 3: can do it here.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole lot.
Speaker 3: Of people who really had drunk themselves into this line
Speaker 3: that they thought, man, Cooper can do what Dak does
Speaker 3: and Cooper Rush is five to one. There were people
Speaker 3: that then they saw, no, man, he's he this is
Speaker 3: he's a quarterback is not a magician. Trey Lance, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, because Mike has said he needs to play football.
Speaker 3: To me, at this point in time, you got to
Speaker 3: start asking yourself, who do we need on this team
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five And what.
Speaker 2: Tape can I get if Mike McCarthy's not here?
Speaker 3: What kind of tape can I have of guys so
Speaker 3: my new coaches can look.
Speaker 6: At that's for everybody. That's literally for everybody. And you're
Speaker 6: big on guy's history, and a guy like Cooper Rush
Speaker 6: has already shown you and clutch times. He could come
Speaker 6: in and get.
Speaker 2: You some victories.
Speaker 6: Riding him for the rest of the season. Seven eight
Speaker 6: games may not be heavantageous the best thing to going,
Speaker 6: but at least you would say he can get us
Speaker 6: three of those. He could get it whatever, right, But
Speaker 6: it's your deficiencies. It's the things that you don't have.
Speaker 6: You don't have a running game. You're gonna ask him
Speaker 6: to back up and throw the ball like whatever the
Speaker 6: game plan was for Cooper Rush, we're scrapping it. We
Speaker 6: tear that up, we're throwing that out. We're coming in
Speaker 6: with a whole nother thing on that one throw to
Speaker 6: the hunter lypiya. I know he was on the run.
Speaker 6: He threw it and he dirted the ball right right
Speaker 6: in front of the hundred like what.
Speaker 2: I've been used to seeing from Cooper Rush.
Speaker 6: And I've asked other people like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 6: thought Cooper Rush had a little bit more of an
Speaker 6: arm than that to be able to complete those passes.
Speaker 2: Like, if we win, we already knew you.
Speaker 6: Gotta go quick game because you know the pressure they go,
Speaker 6: So let's go quick on those long passes. I mean
Speaker 6: those passes literally had no way that they were going
Speaker 6: to be completed. So what else can you go to
Speaker 6: when when you're third, when you're fourth, when you're tight end,
Speaker 6: when nobody has that communication between Cooper Rush or at
Speaker 6: least that confidence back up the backup quarterback still does
Speaker 6: work with the third and fourth guys, right, those are
Speaker 6: his those are his guys in life on the ball.
Speaker 6: So so like you see that connection between Dak and
Speaker 6: the guys that he work out with at in the backyard, you.
Speaker 2: Know, who are his guys? I mean, is that is
Speaker 2: that fair? That's fair?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: I'm just saying if we were talking about CD, CD
Speaker 6: probably did not catch one ball from Cooper Rush because
Speaker 6: he was trying to be on the same page with Dak.
Speaker 2: Who are the guys that was with with Coop Brooks
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: So what I was told yesterday, I was there for
Speaker 3: the press conferences, and Shottenheimer talked and and and McCarthy talked,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you you talk to the other
Speaker 3: people there, the BDA, just folks who haven't understanding and
Speaker 3: some of the Cowboys, UH broadcast team. What I kind
Speaker 3: of took from it is Cooper Rush will be their
Speaker 3: starting quarterback through things giving got the short turn you know,
Speaker 3: short turnover, we got Monday, they got short term all this. Hey, look,
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be a Cooper Rush and then after that,
Speaker 3: probably come December, probably gonna go to Trai LANs in
Speaker 3: terms of you need to put off what can he do?
Speaker 2: Can he get any better?
Speaker 3: Put it all out there, and then you've got your
Speaker 3: story because you're gonna know what Cooper Rush is. If
Speaker 3: you're going into December and if the ship continues to
Speaker 3: sink where it is, you need to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Can't can he get anybody? Is there any hope? And
Speaker 3: if it's not, then you move on. But you at
Speaker 3: least need you pay five million dollars. You can't pay
Speaker 3: five million dollars at this point in time, have a
Speaker 3: losing season not at least do your diligence to find
Speaker 3: out what can this kid processing do?
Speaker 4: And don't get that from from a front office standpoint,
Speaker 4: and us over here talking as a media we all understand.
Speaker 4: It's all about what can you do for the future
Speaker 4: and making sure you know you got the guys that
Speaker 4: you need to keep this this team going, you know
Speaker 4: in twenty five. But from a player standpoint, those guys
Speaker 4: like you said on those one years, those guys that
Speaker 4: are looking to get paid, you want to maximize your
Speaker 4: opportunity and are you going to be able to do
Speaker 4: that with Trey Lance at the quarterback position?
Speaker 2: What they're doing now, I mean, that was what it was.
Speaker 2: One game was one game versus a top heafense. It
Speaker 2: was one game versus a.
Speaker 3: Every game they every home game they played to be
Speaker 3: down twenty I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4: But if you if you, if you Ferguson and you're like, man,
Speaker 4: look I gotta start balling you.
Speaker 2: I gotta have it. I gotta have some guys like
Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta some guys, and we had the
Speaker 2: game against Baltimore. He could have done something. He could
Speaker 2: That's true, go get something. He he looking at that trade,
Speaker 2: lad like this.
Speaker 4: Dude ain't gonna give me no He's gonna go through
Speaker 4: one read and start taking off You.
Speaker 2: You were in this position for a reason. You was
Speaker 2: a part of it. That's true. I get it.
Speaker 6: I get it, but I'm just from a players that
Speaker 6: but you go, black man, We're gonna let's not fight
Speaker 6: amongst each other, brothers, because because it was seventeen seventeen
Speaker 6: to twenty nine for forty five yards. All right, let's
Speaker 6: go back to the crime scene. Let's go back. Let's
Speaker 6: go back. Because everything that you're talking about, the whole
Speaker 6: offense couldn't have expected that output. Even if Trey Lance
Speaker 6: has started, you couldn't have expected that output. That was bad, man,
Speaker 6: that was bad. Let's get a break, Let's fight amongst
Speaker 6: each other. It's a Tuesday. Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy spoke to the media about Michael Parson's comments.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay, all right. So Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3: Still reeling from Sunday's comments that he basically said he
Speaker 3: what wasn't really worried about he coach Mike McCarthy felt
Speaker 3: bad more so for veterans like Zach Martin is like,
Speaker 3: you know, Zack Martin's done more than Jerry Jones. And
Speaker 3: so got played up a lot. Man, He got beat
Speaker 3: up pretty good nationally. And he went on his podcast
Speaker 3: and he went and said, you know, I did not
Speaker 3: mean that at all. It was taken out of context
Speaker 3: what he tried to say. Mike McCarthy's opening question. He
Speaker 3: was asked by David Moore, than Dallas want to use yesterday?
Speaker 2: Have you seen the comments for Parsons? What happened?
Speaker 3: And Mike went out of his way let us know.
Speaker 3: I went spoke to him, we spoke his men, okay,
Speaker 3: and we're fine. So that's what That's what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: had to say. Jerry Jones on his radio show today,
Speaker 3: Jerry said, quote, do you think I have ever had
Speaker 3: anything that I probably said said it in that way
Speaker 3: that ninety nine percent of the time people would interpret it.
Speaker 3: But it was a whoops, and I didn't mean it
Speaker 3: to sound that way. I've had that happen a lot,
Speaker 3: as you well know. So he's saying, man, not worried
Speaker 3: about he spoke to everybody and buys all good that
Speaker 3: there's no problem. Shannon Sharp tore up Michael Parsons this
Speaker 3: morning on ESPN, where he said, Hey, you said it,
Speaker 3: take accountability for it.
Speaker 2: You said what you said.
Speaker 3: You were good until you went into the part about
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy in question his work ethic, which is when
Speaker 3: we talked about yesterday. I'm like, that's when you brought
Speaker 3: the log to the fire. You did, never bring the
Speaker 3: law to them, like you said everything you did without
Speaker 3: questioning Mike McCarthy and Michael Prson says, there's no way
Speaker 3: I would question Mike McCarthy, you know, I feel about it.
Speaker 3: Jerry says, Micah and Mike McCarthy are good, So there
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 4: Man, he was good, like like you said, he was
Speaker 4: good all the way up into that last part when
Speaker 4: he when he when he brought Mike back into the
Speaker 4: conversation saying Zac did more than he's ever had.
Speaker 2: Like, I get it.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what players want to go out and
Speaker 4: play for is each other, the guys that cross those
Speaker 4: white lines and go to battle and all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: You want to play for the guys. Like when I
Speaker 4: was playing, I wanted to play for Dwear. I wanted
Speaker 4: to play for guys that you know, hadn't yet got
Speaker 4: a champion ship and been doing this work for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 2: So I get it from that point. But you know,
Speaker 2: once again, it was just I thought it was.
Speaker 4: Unnecessary, you know, to bring my man big Mike back
Speaker 4: into the conversation with what he said talking about he
Speaker 4: has putting in more work and all this other stuff,
Speaker 4: and it just made it an unnecessary distraction in my point,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, because now you know, Big Mike had
Speaker 4: to answer all these questions. You know, Parsons answers all
Speaker 4: these questions. You think the players in the locker room
Speaker 4: are gonna have to answer these questions. Of course they are.
Speaker 4: When they do locker room, they're gonna first question back
Speaker 4: what you think about Michael Parsons statements. So it's just
Speaker 4: bringing added distractions to a season that's already not going
Speaker 4: the way you wanted to go. Instead of focusing on
Speaker 4: playing and focusing on gett ready for the Houston Texans
Speaker 4: and what challenge they got to bring to the table,
Speaker 4: we're over here talking about, you know, the statements that
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons have made. So to me, I just feel
Speaker 4: like it was an unnecessary distraction. I get it from
Speaker 4: both sides, but I feel like, like you said, no,
Speaker 4: he just brought a log to the fire through more
Speaker 4: gas on the fire by bringing that last statement in.
Speaker 2: But all the stuff before that I was cool with.
Speaker 2: But that last statement I think was unnecessary. Hey, let
Speaker 2: me just read you.
Speaker 3: This is Jerry's quote exactly says it wasn't meant as
Speaker 3: a critique of the coach. It was meant as a
Speaker 3: concern for veteran players like Zack Martin who might not
Speaker 3: have that much more left in their career. That's how
Speaker 3: it was meant. There was no doubt in my mind
Speaker 3: that it was meant that way. Micah does not feel
Speaker 3: a lack of appreciation for Mike McCarthy. I visited extensively
Speaker 3: with everyone involved here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 6: Going back to what you said, because you're talking about
Speaker 6: it from a locker room perspective. You're talking about from
Speaker 6: being in that situation and what it looks like to
Speaker 6: everybody else on the outside, because you understand guys are
Speaker 6: having to answer questions that doing the work week that
Speaker 6: you should be talking about the Texans and we're still
Speaker 6: talking about what our captain, a leader said, you know
Speaker 6: about our head coach. Yeah, about our head coach. And
Speaker 6: I think lost in trends in all of this is
Speaker 6: the fact that Zach Martin is not having his best season.
Speaker 6: What what Mike is trying to say is that we
Speaker 6: have a destroyer, that is that we wanted to win for.
Speaker 6: And sometimes when you're making an emotional statement and you
Speaker 6: don't know how to I get situational awareness, keep your
Speaker 6: head on the fact that if you do say something
Speaker 6: negative to this degree, it's going to be blown up
Speaker 6: time ten. But what he's trying to say is that
Speaker 6: I want to run. Like you just said, guys like
Speaker 6: d Ware, I always hear you talk about Sean Lee,
Speaker 6: guys that you had respect for that when you came
Speaker 6: into the locker room. Those were the guys that you
Speaker 6: want to play with. Those your brothers, and you wanted
Speaker 6: to hoist that trophy with them. That's why you do it.
Speaker 6: We're in the winning business. People don't do this just
Speaker 6: for exercise. Taking you outs with the guys, You know
Speaker 6: what I mean, It's all about going to go win
Speaker 6: these games. And right now, even when you go back
Speaker 6: to twenty fifteen, Barry, I keep hearing you say it,
Speaker 6: talk about twenty fifteen, But there was a point in
Speaker 6: twenty fifteen where you realize we're just bad. We're just
Speaker 6: bad it Carolina, and it don't matter if Barry Church
Speaker 6: had two interceptions but Romo got knocked out again. Yeah, again,
Speaker 6: that's what I was like. But you saw the writing
Speaker 6: is on the wall and there's nothing we can do
Speaker 6: that That Philadelphia tape was bad tape. Guys put out
Speaker 6: bad tape for the next coach. It's a lot of
Speaker 6: bad tape out there, right. And michah a guy who
Speaker 6: is very emotional after losses and performances where he doesn't
Speaker 6: play well, he doesn't talk, he walks.
Speaker 2: Out of it, whatever it is.
Speaker 6: He finally comes back and talks after being out for
Speaker 6: being hurt, and he opens his mouth and everybody. Now
Speaker 6: we're into the interpretation stage of what was Michael actually
Speaker 6: trying to say. And all he's trying to say is, man,
Speaker 6: we got a guy here that this may be it
Speaker 6: and we may not be able to win it for him.
Speaker 6: I feel bad about that. I'm with you everything after
Speaker 6: that you add it to to this situation, and I
Speaker 6: don't know if it's just can he come out and say, look,
Speaker 6: I made a mistake, slip of the tongue that wasn't
Speaker 6: when I was trying to say, let everybody move on.
Speaker 2: But as we know, as this cowboy media.
Speaker 6: Cycle is gonna go, they're gonna continue to keep driving
Speaker 6: this this point home to make it seem like these
Speaker 6: players in the locker room don't respect Mike.
Speaker 2: And Michaeh's exact words. Quote.
Speaker 3: I never once through or even intended to throw Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy under the bus.
Speaker 2: Period. So that's what he said.
Speaker 3: Words matter, and he's got to be ready and understanding
Speaker 3: that when you have a national podcast like he does
Speaker 3: and you are a you're an upper echelon player in
Speaker 3: this league and people are coming to you, got to
Speaker 3: be ready for as much as we tease Russell Wilson,
Speaker 3: Russ on point about these things about what he says,
Speaker 3: Troyan was on point about, Dak is on point about it,
Speaker 3: and Micah needs to get there. Clarence Hill had a
Speaker 3: quote where he says, look, you know, sometimes Michael tries
Speaker 3: to act like he's the smartest guy in the room,
Speaker 3: and sometimes you can misconstrue that thing. That's something he's
Speaker 3: got to work on. And you want to be a podcast,
Speaker 3: you want to do this, You're going to have to
Speaker 3: work on your messaging and what you're trying to say. Now,
Speaker 3: here's something that we ain't talked about enough. Zach Martin
Speaker 3: be here next year. Yeah, and I mean no, he's
Speaker 3: saying it. If you played in the room, when a
Speaker 3: guy says this, they already know. Jason Kelsey last year.
Speaker 3: You know, towards the end, people Hey, this might be it,
Speaker 3: this might be it's I don't know it was it.
Speaker 3: They knew so what I'm what we saw with Kelsey
Speaker 3: last year and everything that was there. We've been hearing
Speaker 3: that about Zach since training camp. This is gonna be
Speaker 3: it for Zach Martin. And I can't believe he wants to.
Speaker 3: I don't know where where his mind is. I haven't
Speaker 3: talked to him, but I can't believe you want to
Speaker 3: allow your play to go down another level and then
Speaker 3: what it takes for your body to come back. That's
Speaker 3: the thing I've talked to about guys who are lineman
Speaker 3: who played as long as that. Afterwards, Man, your body's
Speaker 3: just warned. Now you only got so many.
Speaker 2: Hits in you and the boys hit every single snap.
Speaker 3: Every snap, man, and then it becomes harder on Monday's
Speaker 3: get out and Russell Maryland had a hard time getting
Speaker 3: out of bed on Mondays man.
Speaker 2: After games because it's just that.
Speaker 3: So at this point in time, and I'm listening to
Speaker 3: this from Mike and I'm listening Jerry, Zach Martin is done.
Speaker 3: So next year Tank Lawrence isn't going to be here.
Speaker 2: His contracts up. Zach Martin's going to be gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Terrer still terre Stiel's gonna be an interesting question.
Speaker 2: They have to look after the see, there's.
Speaker 3: Going to be some players that they're going to have
Speaker 3: to to replace.
Speaker 6: And y'all gotta forgive me on this, man. I just
Speaker 6: have a just watching number seventy this season. Is It's
Speaker 6: one of those feelings when you see it is Michael
Speaker 6: Jordan at the Wizards. Is you know when you started
Speaker 6: to see somebody that played so great, you know that
Speaker 6: that had that has the career last year, last year,
Speaker 6: Zach Martin, but just last year, you know in years
Speaker 6: before that, the standard that he set for the offensive line. Man,
Speaker 6: I just what makes me sick. And it's just I
Speaker 6: just feel this way about certain players. If you didn't
Speaker 6: play the game, if you didn't play the game, play
Speaker 6: the game at a high level, shut your mouth about
Speaker 6: Zach mart because Zach Martin been that. You shouldn't be
Speaker 6: able to be some local joke or some guy on
Speaker 6: the radio station.
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are.
Speaker 6: You shouldn't be able to open your mouth shut up
Speaker 6: when you're talking about Zack Martin because.
Speaker 2: He been that.
Speaker 6: And I'll keep bad play you can put it out.
Speaker 6: Whatever your opinion is, Zack Martin, you take him. He's different.
Speaker 6: It's exception to the rule. That's number seventy because he's
Speaker 6: been consistent, time proof and consistency. Zach Martin is giving
Speaker 6: you all of that with no exception on and off
Speaker 6: the field. So Barry Church, you got something to say
Speaker 6: about him, other cats around it. That's proving it done it
Speaker 6: far away, right. But if you can't, If.
Speaker 2: You no, I'll push back on your phone. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: At what point in time are you just not telling
Speaker 3: the truth? And when should the truth be told that
Speaker 3: the player who is the Pro Bowl player year in
Speaker 3: year out in the All Pro is not that guy anymore.
Speaker 3: So you're saying you're not allowed to say that if
Speaker 3: unless you played or you're at this level.
Speaker 2: I mean somebody, I understand. I was just saying, so you.
Speaker 3: Can't say it even though we're witnessing on take funk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And all I'm saying is the greatest players I'm
Speaker 6: not talking about. I'm talking about the great ones, the
Speaker 6: ones that you know are going to go to Ohio,
Speaker 6: the guys that you that have proven have shown like
Speaker 6: you can look you can look at Zach Martin and
Speaker 6: tell right now he is not one hundred percent and
Speaker 6: he is gutting it out right.
Speaker 2: And it takes a hell of a man.
Speaker 6: You just talk about Russell Maryland and the price that
Speaker 6: he paid each and every morning just to get up
Speaker 6: and walk down the steps, like that's a tremendous price
Speaker 6: to pay for somebody that don't know that, somebody that
Speaker 6: don't understand that sacrifice that this man has made.
Speaker 2: A man shut up sign somebody else to talk about.
Speaker 3: I think that you're you can have both of that.
Speaker 3: I look at Aaron Rodgers right now. Aaron Rodgers looks
Speaker 3: let's look good at all. Here's a guy. I mean,
Speaker 3: they probably already got the bus made down in camp
Speaker 3: somewhere in the basement.
Speaker 2: He's that good. He's gonna go. He's not what he
Speaker 2: used to be.
Speaker 3: And I remember the great Howard Coach hell one time
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I'm just telling him like it is.
Speaker 3: And if you're talking about Zach Martin and Brian brought
Speaker 3: us our friend. Brian brons Okay works here Dallas cowboys
Speaker 3: dot Com, also a former scout and works over on
Speaker 3: one five three, the Fan of Cowboy broadcast. He's talked
Speaker 3: about it. You know, not having a good year, He's
Speaker 3: not having the year that we expect from him.
Speaker 2: I would be.
Speaker 3: Surprised if he makes the Pro Bowl, which would be
Speaker 3: a shock to all of us, because if you think
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl, you.
Speaker 2: Just misc true what I'm saying. I'm do your job.
Speaker 2: Do your job.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying scathing criticism of Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: But who's giving him? That's out there.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying it's out there, and that's and that's
Speaker 6: that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about a
Speaker 6: guy doing his job. If you've seen, if you've watched
Speaker 6: enough football, and if you watch Zach Martin and you
Speaker 6: know the kind of player that he is, and you
Speaker 6: look at him right now, don't try and turn this
Speaker 6: around in some media spin to say, oh, he got
Speaker 6: over on the Cowboys. He's doing like, stop it. This
Speaker 6: guy has sacrificed in giving it all, knew it. That's
Speaker 6: all I'm talking about. I'm talking about that. And you
Speaker 6: know what, in this in this world where everybody has
Speaker 6: an opinion about everything, I think greatness, when it's reserved
Speaker 6: for the great players, should stay there. When you talk
Speaker 6: about a guy like Aaron Rodgers, look when I compare
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers' career to a Tom Brady's career, that's a
Speaker 6: big difference between those two careers.
Speaker 3: Now you're you're correct, But I also say from this standpoint,
Speaker 3: I think we all are at a point in time
Speaker 3: where we know there are legitimate people that you listen
Speaker 3: to what they have to say about players, and then
Speaker 3: you just know, hey, there's some folks.
Speaker 2: Out here who got their hot takes and they just
Speaker 2: trying to say what.
Speaker 3: And I long since drawn that line of I listened
Speaker 3: to this person.
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that absolutely.
Speaker 3: And so if somebody is talking about Zach Martin what
Speaker 3: you're saying, obviously you know there's a couple you have
Speaker 3: some people in mind that you don't want to say
Speaker 3: their names. There' stuff I just don't listen to. That's
Speaker 3: why I just I kind of laugh at people who
Speaker 3: who what the debate shows saying. So, I mean the
Speaker 3: person in Connecticut who's not here. So I just think
Speaker 3: with that. But for those of us who are here
Speaker 3: and we see Zach mark that man, to me, it's
Speaker 3: real simple. He's he's talked about retiring. They're talking about it.
Speaker 3: This will probably be it hat tip to him five years,
Speaker 3: there'll be a ceremony and Ken and his name is
Speaker 3: going to be there. When you look at the statistics
Speaker 3: of people at that position, he's right there with the
Speaker 3: greatest who've ever done it.
Speaker 2: But he's not having a good year to his standard.
Speaker 3: That happens a whole lot of folks. This is what
Speaker 3: it is, and it's not Nobod's at least I know
Speaker 3: I'm not besmirching him, but he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not their best lineman anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's the first time we've been able to say
Speaker 3: that since the dude walked in the building. Pretty much
Speaker 3: between he and Tyrone were right there right now. Your
Speaker 3: best lineman is Tyler Smith. And this is a tough
Speaker 3: game man you're giving He's he's done all he can do,
Speaker 3: and this is the last games we see.
Speaker 2: If Zach Martin you had tipped off to him, brother.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, thank you for being the
Speaker 3: guy they took in set of Johnny Man's.
Speaker 2: But by the time is undefeated, and you know, all
Speaker 2: these guys, man, all these guys, maybe you need a
Speaker 2: fifteen minimum. I hope, I hope Tyron Smith and Zach
Speaker 2: Martin go.
Speaker 3: Out together, because that would be pretty cool if they
Speaker 3: could also potentially go to Canton together. They both they
Speaker 3: have the resumes to do it, but it is just
Speaker 3: hard and and and it's hard to see.
Speaker 2: In the bad years.
Speaker 3: Well and what Michael was saying in terms of, hey man,
Speaker 3: I hate to see this guy leave here without a ring,
Speaker 3: But unfortunately it's been thirty years and it's a whole
Speaker 3: line of people.
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Speaker 2: What you get from that bowl, Manott to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl super Bowl? Okay, hopefully you ain't sitting in those seats.
Speaker 2: They gave me the super Bowl up top, bro, I
Speaker 2: believe you also get to go to the honors the
Speaker 2: night NFL. That's pretty that's pretty cool. That's a hold.
Speaker 2: They had you up top with the l a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I think you said the picture that was a national.
Speaker 2: He got the national.
Speaker 3: Yes, hot the too, brother too. Literally, you can see
Speaker 3: the rafts I had. I was if I if I
Speaker 3: had Wimmy's height and San Antoni, I could touch the
Speaker 3: raft So when they had when the halftime show happened, bro, literally,
Speaker 3: it looked like ants. I could tell, so I pulled
Speaker 3: out the iPad. So that's how I was at the
Speaker 3: super Bowl when I watched the halftime show. Is that
Speaker 3: the one with Doctor Drayne almost going crazy.
Speaker 2: There's some negroes and jumped on U. Is that who's that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That doesn't look like so it's Mary
Speaker 2: he yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 3: It was high brod you up top, dude, we were
Speaker 3: up and I mean you told the nose the it
Speaker 3: wasn't even the sprite zone.
Speaker 2: The sprite zoner is lower than what the oh damn dude, dude,
Speaker 2: it was hey, hey man, I mean it is what
Speaker 2: it is. Uh, it's free ticket, you know, hey, brother,
Speaker 2: we ain't give you.
Speaker 6: You know, it was I knew he was used to
Speaker 6: getting the Willy Wonka. You know what, I used to
Speaker 6: bet on the carpet out there. I could touch the ceiling.
Speaker 6: He was above the Titan Jahn the banners was I
Speaker 6: was above the banners, bro That dad was above the whole.
Speaker 2: See see tell brother, that was zoomed in. This is
Speaker 2: a realistic view. That's that's not zoomed right, that's that's
Speaker 2: like that bruh exactly. You need these George zoom in
Speaker 2: to see the Titans. The jumpbo trunk was lower than
Speaker 2: to see. I was higher. Okay, damn yes, brother, we was.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, dude, I think I like seven I'm like
Speaker 3: seven maybe seven rolls from the time the tip top.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, brother was high. It's high, man. Okay, look
Speaker 2: at the National Championship game. Look at like I said,
Speaker 2: I hope Fan of the Year get better than me.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to Super Bowl, going super Bowl.
Speaker 2: This was like, let me go to them, go to
Speaker 2: the I pad and look, miss they won't do you
Speaker 2: like that. You'll be right down there with k do.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 3: You're talking about supposed to be having hurricanes this year,
Speaker 3: supposed to have Wayne up in there.
Speaker 2: But you know had Wayne Man the hot boy's that
Speaker 2: hot you gotta have. He's gonna feature on somewhere something.
Speaker 2: You gotta have one. If you in New Orleans, you
Speaker 2: ain't gonna have Little Wayne do something.
Speaker 6: Man, it's this Kendrick Lamar put out of every ten
Speaker 6: years about it.
Speaker 3: That right there was how I saw. That's the real
Speaker 3: picture right there. That right there, there's a real picture
Speaker 3: of how I saw where we wrot What you just
Speaker 3: said back, you say body of work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just I'm just talking about albums that Kendrick
Speaker 6: Lamar has that the way I'm.
Speaker 2: Just Look, let's just talk about mainstream appeal. I'm not talking.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the albums. I'm not talking. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the ones that every come on. Now you
Speaker 2: know how what plays into this.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna go, let's not do this because I'm
Speaker 6: not talking about the underground artist.
Speaker 2: I think. Correct, Oh.
Speaker 7: What do you.
Speaker 11: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Look, he's hot right now because of the whole Drake hot.
Speaker 6: Can we admit I am first of all, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm a little Wayne fan. I'm talking about to the mainstream,
Speaker 6: to everybody.
Speaker 7: I give.
Speaker 6: Wayne did not become mainstream until Drake and Nick Minaje.
Speaker 6: That's when all of that happened. Kendrick came out. I mean,
Speaker 6: come on, bro get it.
Speaker 2: I give it you. Come on all even in even
Speaker 2: in New York.
Speaker 6: Ain't nobody making no noise with Katy Perry, with Katy Perry,
Speaker 6: come up with come on man with lady I was,
Speaker 6: come on man, let's just be real about it. Black
Speaker 6: eyed peace, black eye peas and come on man.
Speaker 2: That's when.
Speaker 4: That's when we didn't have a represented, you know, picking
Speaker 4: the half helping out.
Speaker 2: Now we got you.
Speaker 6: I think I think they did a magnificent job. He
Speaker 6: is a great performer and the guy that I think
Speaker 6: is gonna captivate that. It's gonna be an amazing show.
Speaker 6: If we didn't have to bring Wayne on stage to
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 3: Wayne A Special Guests at least see that that's a
Speaker 3: feature there. Kendrick Lamar is the headliner, Wayne A Special Guests.
Speaker 3: As long as they had my man in the first
Speaker 3: from me, they want to run him out there, like
Speaker 3: with Donna ran Sea Little Green out there.
Speaker 2: That wow, that's how y'all wow, jumping hey man, jumping
Speaker 2: and singing the track.
Speaker 6: They can't get us set no No, he'll have him
Speaker 6: over in the quarter, the spotlight on it his little
Speaker 6: b Wayne.
Speaker 2: Like I said, like God when he was got to
Speaker 2: put on the road.
Speaker 6: So you're crazy, man, wow, you know easy, he's gonna
Speaker 6: see in the corner.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 4: That's what Guess is not even have his do his
Speaker 4: own day. He's gonna sing the chorse little spotlight singing
Speaker 4: the chorus.
Speaker 3: Weazy like that what I'm saying about, gonna be like
Speaker 3: executive producer on the background, dance what.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have my basket and skateboarding out there.
Speaker 3: The special Guess Wow and Wayne in his own Wayne Wow,
Speaker 3: saying that's how they do the legends man, like they
Speaker 3: had the That's how they do elect.
Speaker 2: The capitals come out for us. She's gonna be in
Speaker 2: the background, that's what. That's what Louise. That's wheezy is
Speaker 2: now all right? So we had to bring the show home,
Speaker 2: bab were to bring the weizy is now? Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not this man, that's crazy. Kendrick. That was a
Speaker 2: great select.
Speaker 4: Sound like how they be doing my man, Zach Martin.
Speaker 4: That's that's how y'all sounded right here. It's respecting that
Speaker 4: all time man.
Speaker 2: That's what man.
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