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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Saturday, February twenty first, and it wasn't too

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Speaker 2: terribly long ago he was auditioning on American Idol in

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Speaker 2: front of the likes of Keith Urban and Mariah Carey.

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Speaker 2: This morning he sits in jail, accused of shooting and

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Speaker 2: killing his wife. With that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 2: Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: The headlines are everywhere about an American Idol contestant being

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Speaker 2: charged with the killing of his wife. I think Robe,

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Speaker 2: some of the details of his background make some of

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Speaker 2: this a little more shocking at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he was a music pastor.

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Speaker 4: He spoke as a contestant on American Idol of his

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Speaker 4: love of the Lord and his love of his wife, Ashley.

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Speaker 4: So yes, if anyone was familiar with him now, he

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Speaker 4: made it to Hollywood. He had the golden ticket to

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Speaker 4: Hollywood Week, and that's an exciting week. But most of

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Speaker 4: the people get cut, and he was among the folks

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Speaker 4: who got cut. So it wasn't as if we followed

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Speaker 4: his story to the end.

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Speaker 1: But certainly there wasn't a finalist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to be clear, he was not that guy

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Speaker 2: waiting for his name to be called, right he wasn't that,

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Speaker 2: but he made an impression on this season.

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Speaker 3: He certainly did. And this was somebody.

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Speaker 4: If you watched season twelve of American Idol, you will

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Speaker 4: remember Caleb Flynn. And he was this sweet kid from

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Speaker 4: Ohio who had a wife who he loved to love

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Speaker 4: the Lord and loved music. And it just seemed like

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Speaker 4: this wholesome, church going midwestern young man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody almost so innocent you just wanted to root for.

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Speaker 2: See exactly, it's not like a good kid. Well that

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Speaker 2: good kid is thirty nine years old now and is

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Speaker 2: sitting in jail. We are talking about former American Idol contestant.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Flynn is the name. He has now been charged

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Speaker 2: in the shooting death of his wife, Ashley, who's thirty

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Speaker 2: seven years old. Police say he called nine to one

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Speaker 2: and tried then to pin the murder on that intruder.

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Speaker 2: Flynn is accused of staging the crime scene and is

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Speaker 2: facing charges as such.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: This happened earlier in the week. The death was February sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: but he was just arrested charge made a court appearance yesterday,

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Speaker 2: has pleaded not guilty. But roabes a part of this story,

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Speaker 2: the big part of it is that nine to one

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Speaker 2: one call. It is an extended nine to one one call.

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Speaker 2: We will play it for you here in just a moment,

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Speaker 2: a portion of it. But robe the nine to one

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Speaker 2: one call. And we've watched a lot of true crime,

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Speaker 2: and quite frankly, it comes up a lot hearing people

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Speaker 2: in these nine to one one calls who end up

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Speaker 2: being the actual perpetrator.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 4: So now that we know he's been arrested in charge,

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Speaker 4: and of course he is pleaded not guilty, so we'll

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Speaker 4: point out that he is innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 3: But when you hear the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 4: You start to listen to it through that lens, knowing

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Speaker 4: he's now been arrested and charged with his wife's murder.

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Speaker 3: But his voice goes up at least three octaves to the.

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Speaker 4: Point where the nine one one operator refers to him

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Speaker 4: hear this is somebody who is pretending, who is feigning.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he is upset.

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Speaker 4: Obviously this is a traumatic event. Even if he did

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Speaker 3: Sobbing.

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Speaker 4: Is like I said, his voice is like this and

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Speaker 4: he's panicked and he's just saying all these things, and

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's just fascinating. It's an eight minute long

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you never know how someone will react

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Speaker 2: is essentially fake. And he is putting on and putting

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Speaker 4: Yes. And then also he's accused of staging this crime

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Speaker 4: There were signs of forced entry, and you can hear

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Speaker 3: The first thing he's saying is see there was an

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Speaker 4: There was an open door from the garage, and I

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Speaker 4: already setting up a defense or setting up the scene.

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Speaker 3: To you know. I just thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 4: He was immediately talking about the open door in the garage.

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Speaker 4: And also just look, we again, we've watched so many

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Speaker 4: It makes zero sense.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing we always hear as well, Rhodes,

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Speaker 2: many times. That's so much about police work in them

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Speaker 2: seeing this scene and fairly quickly thought it did not

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Speaker 2: look right. This was again on February sixteenth, so that

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Speaker 2: then two counts of felonious assault having to do with

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Speaker 2: shooting and killing his wife with a nine millimeter handgun.

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Speaker 2: This is part just played about forty five seconds to

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Speaker 2: a minute of it, part of the nine to one

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Speaker 2: to one call. This is Caleb Flynn, thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 2: former American Idol contestant, calling nine to one one this

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Speaker 2: week on Monday, reporting that his wife had been shot

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Speaker 2: by an intruder.

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Speaker 3: Are they in there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: You don't see anybody in the house?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? And there you have it. And it

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Speaker 2: How long did you say? Fully eight minutes with us

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Speaker 2: back and forth. Now, of course it's a lot of

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Speaker 2: they think is a dangerous seeing somebody with a gun.

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Speaker 2: Uh this now on one dispatch was asking a lot

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I thought it was interesting that the nine

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Speaker 4: was just glossing over it. Saying there, but if there's

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Speaker 4: an intruder in your house, have you checked on the children?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I haven't. That makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: You know that if an intruder was in your house,

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Speaker 4: you saw your wife was shot in the head twice,

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Speaker 4: which is what I believe he said, and was white

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Speaker 4: as a ghost. I believe he told that I'm one

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Speaker 4: one operator as well. You. Then the next thing you

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Speaker 2: We I always try to leave room robes for I've

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Speaker 2: never been in that position. Who knows how people react,

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Speaker 2: but as a parent that your first thought is protection

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Speaker 3: If there's an intruder, you just do and for.

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Speaker 2: Him to say, well, and you listen to more of

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Speaker 2: it than I did. I don't know where the kids are.

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Speaker 4: No, he just said they're in their room, they're fine.

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Speaker 4: He was like, but have you checked on them?

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Speaker 3: And he said no, And that makes zero sense.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you would check on your kids if you

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Speaker 4: find your wife shot and there is an intruder and

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Speaker 4: there was a door open, there could be a man

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Speaker 4: in your home. You would grab a knife. You would

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Speaker 4: say you have to be on guard. There's someone in

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Speaker 4: the home. I mean, I just I'm sorry. You're right,

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Speaker 4: you don't know what you would do, but I would

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Speaker 2: But that's also robes to your point here. Your thinking

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Speaker 2: is the same thinking that police have and going, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, this doesn't sound right. So it's not just you,

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Speaker 2: it's the police investigative and almost common sensical robes that

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Speaker 2: with purpose to corrupt the outcome of any such proceding

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Speaker 2: or investigation. Officers were led astray by the staging of

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Speaker 2: facing these two counts and what in the world. It

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Speaker 2: seems like we've seen a lot of these stories lately,

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Speaker 2: while people try to cover up their tracks in some

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Speaker 2: way with some kind of elaborate ruse about this fake

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Speaker 2: is another one of these scenarios that seem to never work.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if people are watching crime shows and

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Speaker 4: somehow think that they're smart enough to get away with it,

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Speaker 4: or I don't know if this was a premeditated act,

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Speaker 4: if this was some crime of passion or some angry

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to know.

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Speaker 4: But yes, we've covered enough trials where we see people

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Speaker 4: come up with just about anything under the sun, and

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Speaker 4: it never works because if it doesn't make sense, if

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make common sense, the jury's never going to

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Speaker 4: buy it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you said some and we I think the opposite.

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Speaker 2: If you watch a true crime show, you know you're

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Speaker 2: not gonna get away with murder.

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Speaker 1: So he said as.

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Speaker 2: Even watching and thinking maybe he can't. Now he must

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Speaker 2: have never watched a true crime show. Probes This doesn't

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Speaker 2: always get work, and we have to keep saying he

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Speaker 2: has pled, not guilty, and this is an innocent man.

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Speaker 2: As we speak, we are for telling you what police

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Speaker 2: an innocent man, and they're saying there is not a

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Speaker 1: To one one call is total BS.

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Speaker 2: But from the other side, Caleb Flynn is speaking through

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Speaker 2: his attorney at least curious what you make of this

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Speaker 2: statement here. There's a lot to short statement, but a

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Speaker 4: Well, you just assumed it's the spouse, because that's what

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Speaker 4: That doesn't that doesn't seem what that isn't that doesn't

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Speaker 3: If they don't have a suspect, they don't arrest anyone.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go with this guy, is what there.

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Speaker 2: Let's just take him. But folks, stay here the other

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Speaker 1: He is from Tipton. No excuse me, tip City is

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Speaker 3: It's called you know what.

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Speaker 2: It's in Ohio, right outside of Dayton, but it's called

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Speaker 4: Yes, he said, music is all I know. It's what

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Speaker 3: She's very, very pretty. I love her now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, taking the recent events this week out of

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Speaker 4: It seemed like sweet kids who yes, met at a

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Speaker 4: And that was a little creepy, but yes, I mean

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Speaker 2: And if we do the math, that season was the

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Speaker 2: might be, but at this point and right now authorities

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Speaker 3: It's tough.

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Speaker 4: They were married, it says here, for more than fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: They have two daughters, and those poor little girls.

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Speaker 4: Right now mom is dead and dad is behind bars,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had the victims in these stories, right it

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Speaker 2: of their lives depending on how this goes. Keep saying Ropes,

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Speaker 2: He's innocent, innocent man, He's an innocent.

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Speaker 1: Man right now.

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Speaker 2: But Caleb Flynn is in jail right now facing a

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Speaker 1: Ropes. He has a court apparent well next week, is

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Speaker 4: Another court appearance, Yes, and his big plea to the

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Speaker 4: a reasonable limits that he could get out. He said,

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Speaker 4: Flynn probably thinks otherwise.

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