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Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode five point fifty one. This is about

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Speaker 1: musicians who died tragically. And I think we were just

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Speaker 1: going to do this as a segment and Eddie and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about it and it ended up being

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Speaker 1: like super interesting and yeah, it's tragedy, but man, there's

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Speaker 1: one of these that we talk about that because we

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Speaker 1: recorded this like a week ago and we really had

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Speaker 1: no plan to release it on Halloween, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of what happened. But Eddie and I have talked about

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Speaker 1: it basically every single day since we did this. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? Which one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we went on a deep dive after this.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, I know. So remembering those whose lives ended in

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Speaker 1: tragic accidents, sometimes just straight up murder, Buddy Hawley, Patsy Klein, Aliyah,

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Speaker 1: artists who left us too early but can live on

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Speaker 1: forever in their music. Here we go, Episode five point

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Speaker 1: fifty one, Musicians who died tragically. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about musicians that died tragically. Now this is one of

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Speaker 1: those where I have the entire list that I made

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Speaker 1: and you have nothing. Yeah, nor did you know what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about? No clue?

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Speaker 3: So what comes to mind musicians who died tragically.

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Speaker 1: Richie Vallens, Okay, Buddy Holly, tell me that story. Man.

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Speaker 1: They played the Surf Ballroom in Iowa. They were riding

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Speaker 1: a bus, but the bus had broken down, so the

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Speaker 1: heater wasn't working on the bus. So Buddy Holly was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to charter a plane and

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Speaker 1: three of us can or four of us can fit

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Speaker 1: in there. And so it was Buddy Holly, the big bopper,

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Speaker 1: Richie Vallens. I don't know who the fourth guy was,

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Speaker 1: but I know it was between him and Whalon Jennings,

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Speaker 1: and so Whalon Jennings and that guy had to flip

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Speaker 1: a coin to see who's going to ride the plane

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Speaker 1: and Whale and Jennings lost the coin flip but one

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Speaker 1: because he lived. But one, yeah, one because he freaking lived.

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Speaker 1: They all died in a plane crash.

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Speaker 3: So Buddy Holly, Richie Vallens, Bopper all make the list.

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Speaker 3: So the rock and roll Pioneer will do Buddy Holly

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Speaker 3: with songs like Peggy Sue, and that'll be the day.

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Speaker 1: He's only twenty two when he died. Yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: all really young.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty nine, Clear Lake Iowa. It was a

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Speaker 3: plane crash that also killed Richie Vallens and the Big Bopper.

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Speaker 3: The event is known as the day the Music died.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's exactly what happened, I think now, because listen,

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Speaker 3: we fly private a good amount. I'm not getting on

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Speaker 3: a four person plane.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Now, with technology and planes even better than they are now.

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Speaker 1: They have small planes like that. Nope, and that's just

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Speaker 1: for safety. I'm scared to do to that. And not

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Speaker 1: to say the big planes don't crash, and all other

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Speaker 1: kinds of planes don't crash, but it seems like the

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Speaker 1: smaller ones crash a lot more crazy to think. Man. So,

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Speaker 1: and it was snowing, and I think that that day,

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Speaker 1: that night or whatever. So at least in the movie

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Speaker 1: they were breathing. You can see the ice coming out.

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Speaker 1: I know you're right in the movie. Was in the

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Speaker 1: movie not sure about life. But they crashed, I mean

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Speaker 1: immediately after they took off, so they didn't even get

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Speaker 1: very far. I didn't know that on the ascent they crashed. Yeah, ye,

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Speaker 1: as soon as they took off. Was it an issue

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Speaker 1: with the plane in the weather?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, snowstorm, poor a vision, so not like a de

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Speaker 3: icing thing the pilot couldn't see. Oh, okay, so there's two.

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Speaker 1: There's three, so Big Bopper, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Allens, almost

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Speaker 1: Whalen Jennings. Name another one. Stevie ray Vaughn. Yeah, helicopter crash, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: at I think he was playing in Wisconsin. Yeah, here

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Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety Alpine Valleys. That was the blues rock

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Speaker 3: Was killed in nineteen ninety and a helicopter crash in

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Speaker 3: Wisconsin after performing with Eric Clapton.

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Speaker 1: Really, he was thirty five high of his career.

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Speaker 3: The helicopter crash due to pilot error, specifically controlled flight

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Speaker 3: into the terrain during a night flight. It was foggy

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Speaker 3: and hazy. The pilot failed to gain sufficient altitude to

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Speaker 3: clear rising terrain. So what I hear is there's mountains

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's hills out there, pretty big hills.

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Speaker 3: The helicopter was not equipped for the instrument flight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but yeah, Stevie Rayvon

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Speaker 1: what year was that year on that ninety Wow, that's tendy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't really even know Steve Ravon

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Speaker 3: I think I started to know who Stevie Rayvon was

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Speaker 3: once I started to see the old Austin City Limits clips.

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Speaker 3: I think that was my introduction. Stevie Rayvon is playing

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Speaker 3: on that show on PBS.

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Speaker 1: How awesome was he?

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Speaker 4: Dud?

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Speaker 3: And I didn't even respect it until I started to

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Speaker 3: learn about the guitar and really the things I remember

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Speaker 3: watching a clip of him. This is after I did

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Speaker 3: have a respect for him, and I wasn't from Texas,

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Speaker 3: so he also wasn't like one of my guys. But

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Speaker 3: to watch him change a string out while playing, He's

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Speaker 3: the first person I saw do that breaks the string

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Speaker 3: and then he would string the whole thing electric while playing.

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Speaker 1: He would just rip it out, yeah, and then put

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Speaker 1: a new one on it while he's playing. That was crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And what I was so cool about his style was

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Speaker 1: cool when he would be singing something and make the

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Speaker 1: guitar sound exactly like I was singing. I have a theory.

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Speaker 1: My theory is because Stevie ray Vaughan found his thing. Like.

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Speaker 3: He obviously worked tirelessly to get better at it, but

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Speaker 3: some of that is intrinsically a part of him, like

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Speaker 3: to be able to mimic.

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Speaker 1: To be able to have.

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Speaker 3: There was a god given ability that walked alongside his

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Speaker 3: extremely hard work ethic.

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Speaker 1: For sure. I think we probably all.

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Speaker 3: Have that in some capacity with something we just haven't

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Speaker 1: I know most people.

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Speaker 3: It could even be like, I might be the greatest

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Speaker 3: Tidley Winks player, yes, in the history of freaking Tidley Winks. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But I don't play Tiddley Wings. So whatever that inateability

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Speaker 3: is that I have at Tiddley Winks, I'm bouncing that

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Speaker 3: right amount. I Since I haven't been exposed to what

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Speaker 3: I'm so good at inside of me, I'll never know.

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Speaker 1: My theory is we all have that, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be an athletic ability. It could be it

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Speaker 1: could be surgery, it could be juggling. It could be

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Speaker 1: looking and knowing what play like. It could be really electrician.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, yeah, But unless we are actually

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Speaker 1: We never actually know what we would be the greatest

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Speaker 1: at dude. I'm telling you, having four boys in my life,

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Speaker 1: four kids, I know exactly what each of them are

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Speaker 1: And and they've been like that since they were little babies.

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Speaker 1: Like I know that my youngest, he is going to

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Speaker 1: do something with his hands. He's going to build something

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Speaker 1: like that's what he is meant to do. He's not

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Speaker 1: a counter he's not a creative. He's good athletically like

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Speaker 1: he's that comes natural to him. But he just loves

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Speaker 1: building things like legos. He can build them, dude, without

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Speaker 1: the instructions. But what if he came to you and

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Speaker 1: said I want to do theater, I'd say give it

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Speaker 1: I already know what you're really good at, and so.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say legos specifically. He's the greatest lego builder

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Speaker 3: of all time, but he doesn't pursue building legos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think we all have that

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Speaker 1: like to do it. So I think it's that perfect

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Speaker 1: mixture of you have this ability you have a love

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Speaker 1: and then a tireless work ethic to get better because

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get good at something

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Speaker 1: and they're fine just being good at it, not great

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Speaker 1: because there is a different level of commitment to it.

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Speaker 1: You being a personality, you don't think that's it. No,

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Speaker 1: but you're damn good at it.

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Speaker 3: I would say one of the best, like ever.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I wouldn't argue that.

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Speaker 3: Just at just data, speaking with like what I've been

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Speaker 1: Made, Yes, and what about like how easy it is

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Speaker 1: for you to do it? I don't think it's that easy.

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Speaker 1: As the thing interesting you make it look like it's easy.

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Speaker 1: I think I think I'm really good at it, and

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Speaker 1: I think there are certain aspects that probably come to

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Speaker 1: me easier than I even realize are harder for some people. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and that's probably tough to distinguish for folks too that

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Speaker 1: it is so much easier to you because you don't

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Speaker 1: So that could be a factor too. But even with

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Speaker 3: And what made me think of that is that you

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Speaker 3: said how Steve ray Vaughn could mimic that with everything

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Speaker 3: else he was doing, even him singing that He probably

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Speaker 3: worked really hard to get good at that, But who

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Speaker 3: him to have the ability. Even though we could do that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just we can't get on each other's heads. Man,

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Speaker 3: if we could, that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, would be dangerous. You imagine knowing what, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are probably advanced civilizations that that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Like if my wife what I was thinking, shared.

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Speaker 3: Consciousness, I think shared consciousness, know, you wouldn't be in

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Speaker 3: trouble at all because you would understand everybody's consciousness and

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Speaker 3: it would be a lot more common what you're thinking,

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Speaker 3: just not sharing.

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Speaker 1: Good point, because they'd already know and.

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Speaker 3: It would be so common with everybody. We just don't

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Speaker 3: talk about it, so we don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then we'd already know what everyone's like, right, Like

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Speaker 1: that's Bobby, Like immediately you would know.

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Speaker 3: It would save a lot of time in the courting,

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Speaker 3: the dating, and even like friendship.

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Speaker 1: Did he mean to say that now you know that

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Speaker 1: you know the answer.

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Speaker 3: To that, you would not communicate verbally if that were

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Speaker 3: the case, Like verbal communication would not need to happen

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Speaker 3: if you could share consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And that's probably what animals do, honestly, dude. Animals just

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Speaker 1: seem like they got it all together right. Like they

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Speaker 1: come out when it's the temperature's right, they know where

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Speaker 1: to go when the temperatres. Like my brother, he's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he's super sensitive with animals. When it's

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Speaker 1: I gotta take the goose in. Like, no, dude, they're good,

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Speaker 1: Like the goose is good. They know what to do.

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Speaker 1: The deer even though it's twelve below, they know what

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Speaker 1: got it all figured out. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of natural selection to that too, that the animals that

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Speaker 3: Well, our descendants had to survive for us to get here.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, but survive or our descendants thrived where other

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Speaker 3: There's rarely an old person that's still doing awesome stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think acting is different because there are old people

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Speaker 1: No, But when he did that thing with Rihanna and

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Speaker 1: But that's my point.

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Speaker 1: Who else comes to mind? Patsy Klein, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those guys. They found his boot really

437
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: and it's just one of those tiktoks that pops up,

438
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, like of just music history. That was a

439
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: movie I saw recently on this because I didn't know

440
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: much about Patsy Klein. But yeah, another small plane dude,

441
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: one of those four passengers.

442
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody, I have a lot. I'm not gonna sit

443
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 3: here and let me think, let me think, hold on,

444
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: I just want to know until you tap out. Jim

445
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: Crochy yep. The thing about Jim Crochy to me, it's

446
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 3: very Golden Girls esque, and I think, let's look up

447
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 3: the age of Jim Crochey when he died. But I

448
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: see the Golden Girls, and when I was a kid,

449
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: the Golden Girls, they were like eight hundred years old,

450
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: and now you look back and you were like, oh,

451
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: there were like fifty three. Yeah, yeah, h Jim Crochy

452
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 3: always looked like he was seventy super old.

453
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 1: And it's not that he had gray hair or anything.

454
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: He just looked old. How old was he when he died?

455
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: Years old?

456
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh he died. That's crazy, dude. He's a golden girl

457
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: to me. Like he again, he died before we were born,

458
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: because he died in nineteen seventy three, but he looked

459
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: so old, and I thought, oh, Jim.

460
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 3: Crochy, Wow, I had probably had a great career. Died

461
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: probably like in his sixties. Never got there.

462
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: When you when you found you know, heard about Jim Crochy,

463
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: did you know he was dead? Yes? See, I did it.

464
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 1: I found out maybe five years ago. I was just

465
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: like going through I don't know, you know, you have

466
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: those playlists that you just listen to, and like it

467
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: was like I think it was acoustic acoustic music or whatever,

468
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: and he pops up and it was Operator and I'm like, god,

469
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: this is a jam. And then I started leaning that

470
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: was a jam. I went through all of these Jim

471
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: Crochy songs of like, you know, time and a bad

472
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: or is the Time in a bottle, bad Leroy Brown

473
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,239
Speaker 1: had bad Leroy, all these dude, and then I'm like,

474
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: let me read about this guy, and like, oh, he's dead.

475
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: And then you're like plane crash, Oh my gosh, so

476
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: far we're all plane crashes by the way. Y, Yeah,

477
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: well that's what when you get rich in musical you

478
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: start traveling around and you're in these little planes. But yeah,

479
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: the singer songwriter behind songs like I'm in a Bottle

480
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: was killed in a nineteen seventy three plane crash in Louisiana,

481
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: just as his career was taken off. The crash killed

482
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: six people, including Croachy, his guitarist, and the pilot. The

483
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: probable cause was the pilot's failure to see obstructions due

484
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: to physical impairment and fog. But yeah, I had a

485
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: Jim Crochey phase, like a six month phase where that

486
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: was probably the artist I listened to most. Well, how

487
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: long ago is that? Like when you were young in

488
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: my twenties? Ok? Gotcha? Yeah? Like I loved and then bad.

489
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: Bad Leroy Brown baddest man in the whole day in town, bad.

490
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: Than old King Come. He was a Meana, then a

491
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: junkyard duck bud. Like was that because your grandma, my mom,

492
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: your mom? Yeah, listen to that a lot, and so

493
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: I liked I'm a big ballot guy. But for me,

494
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't even the guitar plan was. For me, it

495
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: was awesome, Like I like.

496
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spin in

497
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: the wind, you don't pull the mask off to your

498
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: low ranger in, you don't mess around with gym boo

499
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: boo bo doo doo doooo doo doo.

500
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: Those are my jams. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay, So okay,

501
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: five of them all plane crashes. They're not all I'm

502
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: saying so far. So I'm gonna get away from plane crashes.

503
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: Is you shouldn't, but I shouldn't. There there's definitely more

504
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: plane crashes. I mean, is the Leonard skinnerd Yeah.

505
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 3: Ronnie Van Sant, Steve Gaines, and Cassie Gaines, three members

506
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: of the Southern Rock Band, died in nineteen seventy seven

507
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: plane crash in Mississippi going to a show.

508
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: They ran out of fuel, which is crazy, and.

509
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: The crashed in the woods. They ran out of freaking.

510
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Fuel and they had to land in like a forest

511
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. But they ran out of gas. Insane.

512
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: Yep, uh yeah, near somewhere Misissippi. I don't know anything

513
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: about planes, but says the conver CV two forty passenger aircraft.

514
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: So my thing is, I don't know how big of

515
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: a plane that is. But I can't believe they ran

516
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: out of gas. The only reason that I could see

517
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: running out of gas is that you come across a

518
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 3: storm and like, well we have to go around it

519
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: and you but then you land somewhere else.

520
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, or the gauge.

521
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: Just talk about the gauge being all, but yeah, I

522
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: didn't think about the gage being all.

523
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, the gauge doesn't work. We put all our

524
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: trusts on the gauge. If that's not working then and

525
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I've had cars with the gauge. It didn't work for sure.

526
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: Where you're just always trying to remember how full it is. Yeah,

527
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: it was a pretty big plane. It is a forty

528
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: passenger plane. Forty forty. Yeah, I remember it was so bad.

529
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: That's a big plane. I remember it was so big

530
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: that one of the survivors was talking about how who

531
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: was the main guy, Ronnie Ronnie van Zen. Ronnie was

532
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: laying in the aisle on the ground because he was exhausted.

533
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: He took a nap and he just like put his

534
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: hat over his head and was sleeping in the aisle.

535
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty others survived.

536
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: I can't believe they ran out of gas because again,

537
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: the thing I would think of would be your flying

538
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: around because of a storm. But at some point it

539
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: gets solow. You've got to find an airport to land

540
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: to refuel unless the gas gage is broken.

541
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: You're right, or no, I don't, I don't. I don't

542
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: know what else now. I don't know, Mike. You may

543
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: be reading about it, but like I feel like they

544
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: were circling. I read about this maybe three years ago,

545
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: where like I went deep dive, but I don't remember,

546
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: like what, Like.

547
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: You get to an airport and new circle because there's

548
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: issues with the airport, but then you know what you

549
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: do after a minute, you go to another close airport.

550
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: There's always a close, even small airport around. I don't

551
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: know the whole story to this, but.

552
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 5: The crew didn't monitor the fuel supply and then there

553
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 5: was an engine issue causing them to lose more fuel.

554
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: They were losing it at.

555
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Around and they'dvertently dumping fuel. Dang wow, But people survive

556
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: that plane? Huh? That plane crash? Yeah? Twenty people now forty?

557
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: Is is that like a American mind is blown? Okay,

558
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: great question. Yeah, it's kind of a plane that's not

559
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: like a Southwest but when you have to do like

560
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: a puddle jumper. Yeah, when you're landing in Wichita, I

561
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: would say it's similar to that.

562
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, dude.

563
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 3: I can't believe they were in of a guess, but

564
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: it makes sense if an engine was broken, because there

565
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: there's always an airport somewhat close, even if it's a

566
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: small one to land.

567
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, you're up again. Selina on the list,

568
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: seland on Selena.

569
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has obviously not a plane crash.

570
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: Tell that story, Selena. Man. She was meeting with her

571
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: fan club president, Yolanda Saldivar was her name, and she

572
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: said she had been stealing a bunch of money from

573
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: the fan club and so not. I'm not sure if

574
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: she was meeting to tell Selena that like she had

575
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: stolen the money, or Selena was going to confront her

576
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: about stealing the money. But they met at a hotel

577
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: and Corpus Christy and Yolanda shot her. I know the

578
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: story through the movie Again.

579
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: In Arkansas, we didn't have a relationship with Selena as

580
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: like you from South Texas.

581
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, in Texas went I'm sure it was a

582
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: massive deal. When she died. It was like everyone school's done,

583
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: Like everybody go home, like Selena died, and everyone's like

584
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: Selena died, like what the big deal.

585
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: The belove queen of to Hano music was murdered nineteen

586
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: ninety five by the president of her fan club at

587
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: age twenty three. Her death shocked fans worldwide and inspired

588
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: the film Selena, starring Jennifer Lopez. Selena was shot and

589
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: killed by her it says former manager. But also, I

590
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: know it was her fan club, presidence.

591
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a manager.

592
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it was a fan club. P Yeah.

593
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: Maybe at one point she was kind of a manager.

594
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: You're right. Her name's Yolanda Saldivar. March thirty first, nineteen

595
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: ninety five, after a confrontation about Saldivar embezzling money from Selena.

596
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: The shooting occurred at a daze in and Corpus, and

597
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: Selenda died from blood loss after being shot in the back.

598
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: She managed some of her boutiques like stores.

599
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, because she was Yeah, yeah, Selena was doing

600
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: some fashion stuff.

601
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: Pardon my ignorance. I know two Selena songs and that's it.

602
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: Come on, are the Spanish ones? Well, I know, you

603
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: know the English one, Yeah, five, fall in Love, some

604
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: dream of You Tonight and hold You? Yes, I know

605
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: that one. Is there another one?

606
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: Could?

607
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: That's it all in? I know that one not okay,

608
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: so you know the two English ones. But then I

609
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: know titty bang bang No no, no, no, no, titty

610
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: bang bang no no no, bad bad bom bom close.

611
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: But I've heard that one like I know that.

612
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: If I heard it, I would go, I know that's Selena,

613
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: but I can't sing it back.

614
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: Obviously. I thought the name was titty bang b d

615
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: bad boom. Yeah. I get that one, though, mixed up

616
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: a little bit.

617
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: With hold on, hold on, she bangs no, Yeah, but

618
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: it's it's a Ricky it is Ricky Martin song, but

619
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: it's not she bangs.

620
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 5: Uh, take your bombs, thank you. I knew I was

621
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 5: trying to take it down. I've already said some stupid stuff,

622
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 5: so I didn't want to go.

623
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: Even deeper into the stupidity of it. Yes, I saw

624
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Selena live when I was probably eleven years old. We

625
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: were a Fiesta Texas in San Antonio and we were

626
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: with another family and some of the older brothers of

627
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the other family were like, hey, Selena's playing let's go,

628
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know who that is, but well

629
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: let's go. That's cool. Though you saw Selena, Dude, it

630
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: was so cool. And I'll never forget her butt, like

631
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: not kidding, like when even eleven years old, and I'm like, wow,

632
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: a nice butt because even in the movie it was

633
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: like we got it. I mean, we got to talk

634
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: about her butt. It was a big deal.

635
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Where were you born, Mike anyone?

636
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: So you don't remember her death?

637
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: I do remember her. That's how I learned about death.

638
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: But you were four.

639
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: I still remember that day.

640
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: I remember watching the news, and I remember that day

641
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: I wore a Selena t shirt.

642
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Wow, don't you remember people talking about Selena died like

643
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: it was he was four.

644
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: I don't remember that much, but I remember I was

645
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 5: watching it on the TV, and then I remember I

646
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 5: was watching like a documentary on the news.

647
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Is that one of your first memory?

648
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of my first memories ever is when Selena

649
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: died because I love Yeah, that didn't move Fassa.

650
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Dying is how I learned about death.

651
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Dang spoiler alert, Like why would he get up? All right?

652
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: All right, all right, we got some more. Okay, Okay,

653
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: John Lennon.

654
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: I did not put John Lennon on this because he

655
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: was murdered, but also I do have other people that

656
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: were murdered.

657
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Helena. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't put John

658
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Lennon on this list. You've never liked John Lennon.

659
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't like John Lennon. I do

660
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: like John Lennon. I'm fine with how about this, I'm

661
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: fine with John.

662
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: He's not your favorite Beatle. He is just shocking them.

663
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: He's not. He's my third favorite Beatle. Oh that's even

664
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: more shocking though, you know, Paul McCarty's my favorite.

665
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: George George Harrison third or second, because I feel like

666
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: they didn't give him the respect he deserves. Correct, not

667
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: even because he was so instrumental in the Beatles. I

668
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: feel like he could have been because man, did he

669
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: do some great stuff after the word.

670
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So what about Ringo though? Had he move

671
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: up in the ranks since you've hed with him? Absolutely?

672
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: And for so now John's fourth the main reason, Yeah,

673
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: you're right, I should have put him on the list.

674
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: That was an oversight by me.

675
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was murdered by his fan to nineteen

676
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: eighty maybe We just talked about it on the show too.

677
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: When I made the list, we didn't talked about this.

678
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: Now I give another one.

679
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, let's see. I think I'm out. Man.

680
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: You know, all of these will make sense to you.

681
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: But if you're out, I'll then.

682
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Go to the list.

683
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: You'll know how they I'll just ask you the person,

684
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: So if you can identify how they died, they died.

685
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Jeff Buckley, oh, drowned And he didn't write it because

686
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: Leonard Cohen did Hallelujah, Hallelujah, but he made it famous. Yeah. Man,

687
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: but that album, the Grace album, I think it's called Grace. Yeah,

688
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: his only album, so good cold classic. Yeah, there was

689
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: that song kind of re famed itself.

690
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: During American Idol because everybody kept singing it over and

691
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: over again.

692
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Really hell, so what brought it to American idom? Was

693
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: it Jeff Buckley or Shrek? It's in Shrek?

694
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Trek.

695
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Who sings it? Shrek? Some I don't know that I've ever.

696
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: Seen the character singing it, but I remember the scene.

697
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, my kids singing it, and I'm like,

698
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: how does he know this? And then I realized it

699
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: was Shrek, but I don't know who sings it in Shrek.

700
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: Never seen Lion King, never seen Shrek. I have a

701
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: feeling I'm going to though, now that we're a kid. Oh,

702
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: you're going to see all the cartoon The how Lujahs

703
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: singer drowned accidentally in nineteen ninety seven while swimming in

704
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: the Mississippi River. He was thirty and Grace is his

705
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: only album. He was awaiting on the arrival of his

706
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: band from New York and he drowned while swimming.

707
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: Now you've seen the Mississippi River, I wouldn't get in it.

708
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's so wide the parts that i've

709
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: seen it's I don't know how you get in that

710
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: and don't get swept down hundreds of yards at least.

711
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: That current looks crazy. I don't care where you've seen it.

712
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: You've seen it in Mema, I you've seen it Inssissippi,

713
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: You've seen it anywhere, like in Arkansas. Like it's it's

714
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: it looks like a river. You do not even want

715
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: to get close to the place. And that's my.

716
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: Relationship with it, because I have seen it a lot.

717
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: It's so thick and strong, but I don't know that

718
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: it's like that everywhere.

719
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like maybe there's an area where it's not. I

720
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: don't know, man. I just remember reading this story and

721
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: just being like, why would he go swimming in the

722
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Mississippi River? Like it doesn't seem real? And I know

723
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: that's all. That's a constant like conversation of like, well,

724
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: did he mean to did he? Did he not? Did

725
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: he want to not live?

726
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: Like?

727
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: Did he? Oh? I thought he just push him in

728
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: or that? You know, just no, it just doesn't sound

729
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: like somebody would just want to go swim in the

730
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Missisippi River. Oh's reading? Oh, plane crash yeah, before he

731
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: got famous, crazy yeah, known as the King of Soul.

732
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: I was reading died at twenty six when it was

733
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: plane crashed until Wisconsin Lake in nineteen sixty seven, sitting

734
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: on the dock of the baby was released after he died.

735
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Is that the lake we walked on? That's the lake?

736
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the lake we walked on.

737
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 8: I don't know, but I was talking with I was

738
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 8: having a meal with the Kansas head football coach, coach Laphold,

739
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 8: and he coached at Wisconsin Whitewater before he went to

740
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 8: Buffalo to coach before he went to Kansas to coach

741
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 8: and I was like, I can't it, can't do Wisconsin.

742
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: I was like, I loved it there, that people are awesome,

743
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: but I don't do cold.

744
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: It's so cold. And I said, Wisconsin is the only

745
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: place that I told him. You and I were driving

746
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: by and we saw like a jeep on the on

747
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: the water, multiple on the lake, and we were like

748
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: what and edit you ran out there on top of it.

749
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you can walk on that.

750
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: They're like yeah, and he was like, man, people used

751
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: to like build like a big nice tent, not just

752
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: a tent, but like a real like a semi permanent,

753
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: not permanent, and they'd do it and they'd cut a

754
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: hole and they'd have like Wi Fi and they'd stay

755
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: there for like a week on the on the frozen lake.

756
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. When we saw the cars on the lake,

757
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: that blew my mind.

758
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: Shout out to all you guys that can actually live

759
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: with this, yeah, because I can't do it. Next up

760
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: Troy Gentry helicopter.

761
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

762
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: Half of the country due to Montgomery. Gentry known for

763
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: my town something to be proud of where I come from.

764
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: He was killed in the helicopter crash in twenty seventeen

765
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: in Medford, New Jersey.

766
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: We lived here while this has happened. Yeah, he was

767
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: praying for a concert when the aircraft went down shortly

768
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: before takeoff. He was fifty years old. I never met him,

769
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: I did. We have similar people that we work very

770
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: closely with, is why I met him. They were rocked.

771
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: My people on my team that worked also with them

772
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: when this happened, they were rocked by it. And I'd

773
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: only met him a couple of times, so personally I

774
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: didn't know him that well. So I wasn't personally because

775
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: I didn't have the relationship, but they were so obviously.

776
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: That affected me. But yeah, beloved beloved in town.

777
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of airplanes and helicopters, though so far this

778
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: one not as famous. But I think you'll probably know.

779
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: I think you'll know who it is.

780
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: But Randy Rhodes, oh yeah, yeah, he was the guitarist

781
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: for Ozzie Yeah. Plane crash YEP nineteen eighty to He

782
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: was on a small plane. The planes wing clipped the

783
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: top of the band's tour bus. WHOA like how when

784
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: it was taken off? Oh maybe it clipped it before

785
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: it took off and then didn't realize they clipped it.

786
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: The accent occurred when the planes wing up the top

787
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: of the Vand's tour bus, causing it to crash. He

788
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: was twenty five and consider one of the greatest rock

789
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: guitars ever.

790
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh I don't, I don't understand.

791
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, would you find out if it was going

792
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: up or down? Because it'd be a weird place to

793
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: park the band, Yeah, or the tour.

794
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: Bus right next to the runway. This one sounds weird,

795
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: like it would make more sense if the bus drove

796
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: up near the plane to get on the plane.

797
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: Everybody get on the plane and to get on the

798
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: plane and then they're loose. I don't know, but that

799
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't be where the plane's taking off.

800
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Oh that's weird. What reminds you of

801
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Rainy Rose? Like when you did you know who he was? Like?

802
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: Did you? Because I mean that was a long time ago.

803
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: He was probably awesome, you know, guitar.

804
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: I only know way after death and having an interest

805
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: in music that I know who ran.

806
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: Roads is he would play the flying v Polka Dot

807
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: guitar even that I don't know really, Yeah, that's kind

808
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: of his that was his signature guitar. Never much of

809
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: an Ozzy guy, never much of a Black Sabbath guy

810
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: even And I went through a lot of phases of

811
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: loving different kinds of music for an extended period of time,

812
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: but never really got into that I like it now.

813
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: And we would listen to like, Oh I am iron Man,

814
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: and uh have different songs coming out of like for football,

815
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: Sure we come out crazy train. We ever came out

816
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: to Crazy Train.

817
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: No, it was always a fight in the locker room

818
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: the black players and the white players. No way, it

819
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: was either gonna be Ozzy Osbourne, racy DC from the

820
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: white players and the black players always wanted Tupac, a

821
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: little bit of bigg Eive but mostly and so do.

822
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: You guys alternate? We did. Yeah, that would be the

823
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: fair way of doing it. That would be the fair

824
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: way to do it.

825
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah and so yeah, And it was never like a

826
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: contentious like a race war.

827
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: But that's that's what it was. The white guys wanted.

828
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: And it started off it was only Hell's bells from

829
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: a CDC.

830
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: That's all. Why you gotta hit start with a bell? Well,

831
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: and we were the mountain behind Red Devils.

832
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it started off, and then the high school

833
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: administration was like, you guys got to stop doing healthy

834
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: and stuff or were already gettingrapped me in the devil.

835
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: You named the school exactly they want us to do.

836
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: That's our freaking mask. Got We didn't choose the devils,

837
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: The devils chose us. What was the two Fox song?

838
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Hit them up? Yes, that makes sense because like California

839
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: love doesn't make sense to your mama, Mike, what do

840
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: you see?

841
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 5: So they were trying to buzz the bus. Oh no,

842
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: they were being funny. They're trying to scare them.

843
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: As they were taking off.

844
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they did two attempts to buzz them and

845
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 5: then they clipped the bus and then the pilot was

846
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 5: later found to be under the influence of cocaine expired

847
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 5: pilot's license.

848
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: They were they were like pranking. What the oh my god?

849
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: This is that's the most That's why it didn't make

850
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: sense to us though, because it doesn't line up with landing.

851
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Or really flying off. It shouldn't make near a bus.

852
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: They were trying to bust the bull. Who was on

853
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that plan? Was he just the only famous one? Mike?

854
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 5: And he just him in the pilot looks like, oh boy,

855
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: the Bobby Cast will be right back.

856
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: M M. This is the Bobby Cast, all right. John

857
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Denver airplane. Yeah, and he had an experimental plane. Oh

858
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: is that right?

859
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: The and we can do a songs take Me Home

860
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: Country Roads. Uh, there's that one. There's well yeah, nine

861
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: thousands about something, Thank guy, I'm a country boy or

862
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: Rocky Mountain.

863
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

864
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: Sam, it's crazy to think that John Denver is controversial

865
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: for not being country.

866
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. He seemed like the one guy

867
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be controversial about anything. And also he's very

868
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: country country. He's very He's the most Americanic country that

869
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, even says thank God, I'm a

870
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: country boy. Wow. Old. He even says take me home

871
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Country Road, right, Probably because the whole that doesn't matter.

872
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: That's a whole debate for a different podcast. But he

873
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: died in nineteen ninety seven when his experimental plane crashed

874
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: in California. His last words were, do you have it now?

875
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: He said this to air traffic control.

876
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: As he was trying to confirm a four digit transponder

877
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: code he had just transmitted and wondered.

878
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: If it was received correctly. Wow.

879
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: But he died in an experimental plane crash.

880
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: What was the plane? What was the plane that he

881
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: was experimenting on. I don't know enough about planes. I

882
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: don't even know enough about normal planes. Like you said,

883
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: is this an American Airlines? I'm like, I think it's

884
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: a puddle jumper. If you want to get down into

885
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: specific terms, Aliyah, I don't know. We have a flane

886
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: crash five or six left plane crash. Oh yeah.

887
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: The R and B singer died in two thousand and

888
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: one and in a plane crash in the Bahamas at

889
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: twenty two years old, shortly after filming a music video

890
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: for Rock. The boat rash occurred shortly after takeoff. According

891
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: to the Wikipedia article we read this prom Elea and

892
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: eight other people were killed. The pilot was also found

893
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: out traces of alcohol and cocaine in his system and

894
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: may not have followed pre takeoff procedures, including the manufacturer's checklist.

895
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: He was also not registered with the FA to fly

896
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: a plane for the company he was working for.

897
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: What happened? They weren't trying to buzz the tour bus

898
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: worthy four or five, not that we know of that.

899
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Buzz and the tour bus is crazy and the fact

900
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: that they did it a couple of times.

901
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: Like they missed twice, Like we didn't buzz them close enough.

902
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: Let's really scare them. But that's rock and roll, man,

903
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: I mean in the end, that's rock and roll. That

904
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: was their whole lifestyle. Yeah, that was our whole lifestyle. Dang, okay,

905
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: we got five. I'll give you the situation.

906
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: See, you can tell me what was. This person.

907
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: Was shot and killed under mysterious circumstances at a Los

908
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: Angeles motel in nineteen sixty four.

909
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay. No no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no,

910
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: not Marvin Gay. Yeah. It could have been like a prostitute. Gosh,

911
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: what's his name? Give me the first letter of his name?

912
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: S s oh boy. I mean I know exactly who

913
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: this is, right, Like they robbed him to you for

914
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: sure know who this is.

915
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: I definitely had one of my three month faces, Sam Cook,

916
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah with this person, Sam Cook. Yeah, Yeah, that was bizarre.

917
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: They think maybe a prostitute, but maybe had a boss

918
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: that planned the whole thing. Yeah, like because he was

919
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: robbed but then killed.

920
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: That's why the mysterious circumstances is such a big part

921
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: of the story.

922
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: He was thirty three.

923
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: According to police reports, Cook, in an agitated state, kicked

924
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: in her door, struck her. She shot him with a

925
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: shotgun in self defense. A coroner determined the cause of

926
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: death was the gunshot wounded the chest, and subsequent jerry

927
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: ruled the death justifiable homicide.

928
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: And bringing on home to me.

929
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, as a jam or darling, you.

930
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Send me I know, yeah, man at people say I do.

931
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: Sam Cook a great voice, all right. Next up, this

932
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: singer was killed by his father, Yeah, Marvin Gay Yeah,

933
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: April first, nineteen eighty four, before his forty fifth birthday.

934
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: The shooting occurred after Gay Marvin Gay intervened in a

935
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: physical altercation between his parents. The father later claimed he

936
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: did not know the gun was loaded with live ammunition

937
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: and thought he was firing blanks or BB's in self defense.

938
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know that in a hole. That's a whole

939
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: lot of water with me.

940
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I've had a lot of BB

941
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: guns in my day. None of them felt like a

942
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: real gun. Nope, nope, Nor did you really want to

943
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: shoot anyone with a BB gun? And in self defense?

944
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: You know what works better than shooting someone's BB gun

945
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: hitting him with the actual gun.

946
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: The gun, yes, yeah, because he's not gonna do it.

947
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: Instead of hit in with the you just hit him

948
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: with the gun. Yeah. Three left. This rapper, poet, and actor.

949
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Was fatally shot in a Las Vegas drive by in

950
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, aged twenty five years old. His murder

951
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: remains officially unsolved.

952
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: I thought they solved it. No, didn't they. They made

953
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: some arrests, yes, but that guess that doesn't solve the murder.

954
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: I don't think they have an official this is who

955
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: did it. They have people who have claimed to know.

956
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: They have people that are arrested to have been part right, Mike,

957
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't think they have a person.

958
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: No, I don't. Wow, there's been just been a lot

959
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: of talk and wow, it's after a fight. It was

960
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: after an award show. Oh, I thought it was a

961
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: boxing match or a boxing match. Yeah, that's what it was,

962
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: boxing nicon or something. Yeah, I don't know now I'm

963
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: just cramming stuff together in my head. Just six months

964
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: after Tupac's at this person was gone down in a

965
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: similar dry by shooting. Biggie Beggie twenty four years old.

966
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: Was Biggie the award show. They get up on stage and.

967
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Like, I don't that's gotta be right. It doesn't have

968
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: to be right for the record, I feel like there

969
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: is an award show and it's not Tupac, so yeah.

970
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: Or maybe there was just a big fight where somebody

971
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: gets shot after an awards show.

972
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a biggie after the Soul Training Music Awards.

973
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: It's in there, I just don't somewhat quite another place

974
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: to put it. And then finally, this person died in

975
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: a car accident in Honduras April twenty fifth, two thousand.

976
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: And two, two thousand and two. She was killed when

977
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: she lost control of the rental SUV she was driving

978
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: and swerve to avoid another vehicle in Honduras. Is she American? Yeah.

979
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: The other four passengers in the vehicle were injured, with

980
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: three requiring hospitalization. This person was thirty years old.

981
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: Man, I don't think I can get this. I was

982
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: in a group this person was in. She was in

983
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: a group of three. Oh is this left eye? Oh?

984
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was a car accident. Mm hmm,

985
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: Lisa left eye Lopez. I think it's Lopez. It's spelled

986
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it's spelled Lopes, but it's not the Hispanic. I think

987
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: it's Mike.

988
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's spelled loops.

989
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was like a difference. Maybe

990
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: she did that, just change it up a little bit,

991
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: but I think that was her name. I don't think

992
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: she got Okay. You can do that though. When you're famous,

993
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: you can mess with your last name a little bit.

994
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, Jay, Hey, you know about this stuff.

995
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: Well you can just change it fully and have a

996
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: fake name, yes, but or you can just pronounce it differently,

997
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: like I believe Joe Theisman. Oh thiseman changed it to

998
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 3: Joe Thiseman because he wanted to win the Heisman. Interesting,

999
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: like like Richie Allen's Ricardo Valenzuela, they made him change

1000
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: to Valens.

1001
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be.

1002
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: Just a stage name though, Like I'm pretty sure Joe

1003
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: thisman's name was that this would be the last thing

1004
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: we look up, and then he just changed the pronunciation

1005
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: because he wanted it to be with he sound like Heisman.

1006
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I feel that sounds familiar. I can ask

1007
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: my assistant with racing Mike, you versus found as. It's

1008
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: like when a chess player, a computerized chess player plays

1009
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: a human. You're like, who's the best, But you know

1010
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: what the human just won what he got human?

1011
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pronounced fastman.

1012
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they changed it to Joe thisman.

1013
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: To boost this chance to win the Heisman.

1014
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: He didn't. He did his pupil well, he did to boost.

1015
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Did he win the Heisman? He did not. I don't believe, right, Mike,

1016
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so. He broke his leg right in

1017
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: by the way.

1018
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pros though, did thighsman?

1019
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: I think he did win it?

1020
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: Did he?

1021
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy wins, so it works.

1022
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Oh, man, the Heisman, Mike, make sure you're right so

1023
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: that he did not. He's a nominee, but he did

1024
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: not win it. He lost. Yeah.

1025
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: Joe Thaiseman was an All American and an academic All

1026
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: American and was a contention for the Heisman Trophy but

1027
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: he finished second.

1028
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Oh so close.

1029
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: Jim Plunkett won the quarterback.

1030
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the quarterback Jim Plunkett, whose original name.

1031
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: Was but he wanted but he changed it so people

1032
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: could say it on TV and he can win the

1033
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: high has been all right? Yeah, thanks thanks Eddie, Yeah, man,

1034
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: thank you, that was fun. That was I mean, I

1035
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: hate talking about death, but it's weird. That's how much

1036
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: we know about those stories. Well, it's weird they're all playing.

1037
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're eighty five percent. We gotta gotta learn

1038
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: from more mistakes. The craziest one was the buzz and

1039
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: the bus. I had no idea craziest. Thank you for that, Mike.

1040
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: I learned something new every day in the bus. All right,

1041
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening.

1042
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 7: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.