Speaker 1: What's that at the of my bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky. I'm jooky.
Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I go, said, Hiram's dressed and ends, Pa.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Roz. How are you? I am
Speaker 1: doing great. I have been so busy, which is wonderful.
Speaker 1: I've been doing a fun little show here in La
Speaker 1: called Golden Girls Live at Casito del Campo, and it's
Speaker 1: just been wonderful. And it's been so nice to see
Speaker 1: people and sealed friends and to work with friends, and
Speaker 1: it's just been so great. And I haven't had much
Speaker 1: time to like watch anything scary lately, but I did
Speaker 1: the other night. I did some shows and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to unwind, and so I went to Discovery
Speaker 1: Plus and I was like, oh, I should watch this
Speaker 1: new Devil Made Me Do It documentary that's about that
Speaker 1: story that inspired the most recent Conjuring movie. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's check this out. I ended up getting terrified. It
Speaker 1: is like a reenactment type documentary, So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's your taste or not. I did not finish it.
Speaker 1: I eventually very soon. Well, I hope to finish it,
Speaker 1: but I found it kind of scary. But what I
Speaker 1: really liked was that people that were involved in the
Speaker 1: actual situation are being interviewed and it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what a recommendation. If you're looking
Speaker 1: for something spooky to watch, and if you want to
Speaker 1: hear something spooky right now, allow me to read you
Speaker 1: a ghost story that I just noticed in a five
Speaker 1: star review on Apple Podcasts. This one comes from Chloe
Speaker 1: Elisee Chloe lise W. I hope I said that right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's real ghost story to share. When I was
Speaker 1: a little girl from nineteen ninety five to the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, my family and I lived in a beautiful
Speaker 1: home with unexplainable happenings. We moved in when I was
Speaker 1: in the middle of kindergarten and we loved everything about
Speaker 1: the home and neighborhood except for one thing. This house
Speaker 1: was extremely haunted. The ghost or ghosts particularly like to
Speaker 1: show up for my mom and I, especially me. Some
Speaker 1: of this happened in the middle of the night one night,
Speaker 1: my boom Bucks turned on by itself. It started blaring
Speaker 1: the in sync CD that I had in at the
Speaker 1: time I woke to my parents busting into my room yelling,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Turn that off? They said bye
Speaker 1: bye bye. However, they quickly realized that it had startled
Speaker 1: and woken me up as well. It really scared me.
Speaker 1: The song playing wasn't the beginning of the CD either.
Speaker 1: It was on song six or seven. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but if you remember the old days, you couldn't just
Speaker 1: start playing a CD in the middle. Another thing. A
Speaker 1: couple days later, this outlet blew up. We thought it
Speaker 1: was so strange. It was the same outlet. Another time,
Speaker 1: my mom had left me home alone quickly while she
Speaker 1: went to pick my brother up from soccer. I was
Speaker 1: in my room when all of a sudden, I hear
Speaker 1: banging across the house, like someone was throwing things in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. I had a landline in my room, so
Speaker 1: I called my mom and was hysterical. She told me
Speaker 1: to hide in the closet and that she would be
Speaker 1: home in one minute. When she got home, she noticed
Speaker 1: nothing was out of place. She said, I was so
Speaker 1: pale and scared. She could tell something had happened. Later
Speaker 1: that evening, when my dad walked into the bathroom by
Speaker 1: the kitchen. He noticed two paintings were taken off the
Speaker 1: wall and stacked on top of one another. No one
Speaker 1: could explain how that happened, and we wondered if that
Speaker 1: was a part of what I heard. The time I
Speaker 1: actually saw a ghost at the house I will never forget.
Speaker 1: My friend was sleeping over and we were sitting on
Speaker 1: the bed playing. We had a lamp on, but we
Speaker 1: were getting ready to go to sleep. My bed sat
Speaker 1: in between two windows in my room. We both looked
Speaker 1: up and saw what we described as the white man
Speaker 1: outside one of the windows. He was dressed in colonial
Speaker 1: style clothes and as a child, we said, he looked
Speaker 1: like George Washington. He was so close his face was
Speaker 1: right up against the glass. We screamed at the top
Speaker 1: of our lungs. My mom rushed in and she said,
Speaker 1: what's wrong. You two are as pale as ghosts. We
Speaker 1: described what we had seen, a white man in the window.
Speaker 1: You had a white man's peeking into your windows. Absolutely terrified.
Speaker 1: My parents searched around the house. Nothing. My friend and
Speaker 1: I fell out of touch because we both moved, but
Speaker 1: a few years ago we got back into touch through Facebook.
Speaker 1: What did she bring up? The white man, It's something
Speaker 1: that started to feel like a dream to me as
Speaker 1: I got older. But I was in shock that she
Speaker 1: still remembered too. Other things that happened to my mom
Speaker 1: would be doors opening, feeling cold beside her, etc. Our
Speaker 1: house cleaner also asked once if we had experienced anything
Speaker 1: in the house as well. She said she turned the
Speaker 1: corner and saw what she said was a quote guardian
Speaker 1: angel that was as tall as the ceiling and had wings.
Speaker 1: She said, we were being protected in the home. I
Speaker 1: could go on and on, but I just thought I
Speaker 1: would share some of these creepy things that happened in
Speaker 1: a childhood home. Oh my god, thank you for sending
Speaker 1: me that. Now I am picturing George Washington poking his
Speaker 1: head into my windows at night, and I'm terrified. Guys,
Speaker 1: I have an exciting announcement. I because you know, I
Speaker 1: live a life of talking about ghosts here on the podcasts,
Speaker 1: and you guys know me from that, but I also,
Speaker 1: like you know, talk about other things sometimes as well,
Speaker 1: and so I have been really wanting to do another
Speaker 1: podcast of some sort that isn't necessarily about ghosts or
Speaker 1: UFOs or the paranormal. And so I thought I would
Speaker 1: just like try it out just for fun, like a
Speaker 1: very laid back type of podcast with my best friend
Speaker 1: Sam Pancake. And we're doing it on my second tier
Speaker 1: of Patreon right now, and the first episode is up
Speaker 1: right now patreon dot com slash ros dress for us.
Speaker 1: There's also a link in the description of this episode.
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do is we're gonna try it
Speaker 1: for a month. We're gonna do every week, once a week,
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes to an hour or so of
Speaker 1: us just talking about a random topic. And this week's
Speaker 1: topic is called stars in the Wild, and we're just
Speaker 1: talking about seeing famous people out in the wild, you know,
Speaker 1: just like at the grocery store. What are just like,
Speaker 1: you know, fun stories of us living in LA And
Speaker 1: every week is going to be a different type theme.
Speaker 1: So I hope you can check it out and enjoy
Speaker 1: it and if you like it, maybe we'll keep doing it.
Speaker 1: So go check that out please. So I have some
Speaker 1: notes about today's episode before we get into it. I
Speaker 1: I'm so starstruck by this guest. I've met her a
Speaker 1: few times. Her name is Peppermint. If you don't know Peppermint,
Speaker 1: get into Peppermint Peppermint is an amazing drag performer. She
Speaker 1: is a transactivist and an actor and a recording artist,
Speaker 1: and she's just so cool and just a fun vibe.
Speaker 1: And this episode, it is one of these episodes where
Speaker 1: we where she doesn't necessarily have like a ghost story
Speaker 1: of her own necessarily, but we keep it fun, we
Speaker 1: keep it spooky and on topic for the most part.
Speaker 1: And I feel a little bad because I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how scared of this stuff she might be, so I
Speaker 1: do kind of scare her a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: was gonna say before we do reference in this episode
Speaker 1: today a recent well not a recent, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's been almost two years. An older episode of Ghosted
Speaker 1: when I had our friend Sonique Kylie Sonique Love was
Speaker 1: on the show, and she was on in November of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and I absolutely love Soniqu. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of her. She is currently on Rippaul's Drag Race All Stars,
Speaker 1: which is airing right now, and she on that episode,
Speaker 1: we talked about this ghost encounter that she captured on camera,
Speaker 1: and so if you would like to know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, just go to YouTube and type in Sonique's
Speaker 1: encounter with a ghost and then you you'll see that
Speaker 1: video because Peppermint and I watch it on this episode
Speaker 1: and talk about it and go back and listen to
Speaker 1: that episode if you haven't heard it as well. Another
Speaker 1: thing about this episode today is that I think this
Speaker 1: is the first time this has ever happened. I had Peppermint,
Speaker 1: I had a guest decline listening to EVPs. So if
Speaker 1: you're new around here, you know every episode we listen
Speaker 1: to alleged ghost voices, and I have my guest guests
Speaker 1: with the ghost hunters think that the ghost is saying
Speaker 1: or what they hear, and so we do not listen
Speaker 1: to ghost voices on this episode. But I mean I
Speaker 1: did like pull some EVPs out for Peppermint, so I
Speaker 1: feel like we should listen to at least one of
Speaker 1: them right now. So let's do that or ev please. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this one I found on YouTube. It comes from
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Ghost Chasers, and I'm not really sure exactly where
Speaker 1: this location is, but tell me what you hear. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a whispery kind of a EVP. Let's play
Speaker 1: it again. Any guesses? Okay, I'll give you some options.
Speaker 1: Is it a did I eat you know when? You're
Speaker 1: like really busy and then you like show up someplace.
Speaker 1: You're like, did I eat? I should have brought a
Speaker 1: cliff bar? All right, b do not leave?
Speaker 2: Is it C?
Speaker 1: Did I do that? It could be the ghost of
Speaker 1: Steve Erkle or is it d Diane West, the actress
Speaker 1: I love Diane West. Okay, here it is again. Do
Speaker 1: not leave? Is what they hear? Actually do hear that?
Speaker 1: I hear that as well. I really hear did I eat?
Speaker 1: But I guess it would make more sense for a
Speaker 1: ghost to be like, do not leave. No, be here
Speaker 1: with me? Here, I'll played again. I hear it. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: you can't say I didn't play any VP at least. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here is my conversation with the hilarious, the iconic Peppermint.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I should tell you
Speaker 1: to go to patreon dot com slash while I was
Speaker 1: dressful as if you want to hear a little bit
Speaker 1: more that thing I've been doing at the end of
Speaker 1: our episodes where I rattle off some unexplained phenomenals UFOs, bigfoots, possessions,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I'm putting that on Patreon on
Speaker 1: my second tier this week. So uh, you can hear
Speaker 1: that there, but everything else is right here. It's time
Speaker 1: for my conversation with Peppermint on with the show. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm joined by one of my absolute favorite
Speaker 1: queens in the world, Peppermin. How are you.
Speaker 3: I am, fabby Ross Darling. I am feeling lovely. I
Speaker 3: am I'm calling. I'm talking to you remotely from Florida,
Speaker 3: which is unusual for me.
Speaker 2: Usually I'm in New York.
Speaker 1: But what are you doing in Florida.
Speaker 2: I'm here filming a couple episodes of I Am Jazz.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Peppermint, you are so busy, Like I
Speaker 1: just like, look at your Instagram. I'm like, Peppermint works
Speaker 1: as I should. I mean, I was actually so lucky
Speaker 1: I got to work with you during the pandemic. We
Speaker 1: were on the Sherry Vine Variety Show, which was cute.
Speaker 1: It we only did it was a very short little shoot,
Speaker 1: but it was super fun and from what I could tell,
Speaker 1: you had just been doing all kinds of things this pandemic.
Speaker 1: So no pandemic is going to get in the way
Speaker 1: of Peppermint, and I love that.
Speaker 3: That's right, you know, I mean it was, it was
Speaker 3: tough and you know, my career took it. It's it
Speaker 3: had its effect that the pandemic did on me, and
Speaker 3: you know, both professionally and also you know, not to
Speaker 3: be too serious, but you know, there was living in
Speaker 3: New York. We had a really particular view of what
Speaker 3: was going on in particular experience, and you know, it
Speaker 3: brought up a lot of questions like do I still
Speaker 3: want to live here? Do I still want to work
Speaker 3: in night life? Do I still want to be an entertainer?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people ask us questions and
Speaker 3: then for a lot of people that answer but no.
Speaker 3: And luckily for me, fortunately enough for me, there was
Speaker 3: enough things that allowed me to say yes to many
Speaker 3: of those questions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I for myself, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to like be out
Speaker 1: all night anymore, and like there's just like certain things.
Speaker 1: As I go back, I'm like, yeah, and now I
Speaker 1: think I have a different idea of what I want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: I don't do it with your life, and that's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love podcasting, Like podcasting got me through
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and it's something that you know, like I mean,
Speaker 1: of course I'm had to tell the most extravagant drag
Speaker 1: I've ever been in. Right now, unfortunately no one can see,
Speaker 1: but you know sometimes in your podcast you don't have
Speaker 1: to do that, So that's kind of nice.
Speaker 3: Too, yeah, doing I think the thing is, I think
Speaker 3: the digital life, as much as we bemoaned a lot
Speaker 3: of it and as much as we're kind of oh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to do these zoom calls
Speaker 3: and these things, I think it's here to stay. I
Speaker 3: think these companies and corporations like, look, let me tell
Speaker 3: you I'm Delta Diamond. I'm not trying to brag, but
Speaker 3: it took a lot of work to get there. And
Speaker 3: you know, before what that used to mean is, you know,
Speaker 3: steak dinners and appetizer and a salad and everything. And
Speaker 3: now it's a hand sanitizer wipe and a bag of
Speaker 3: crackers and and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's better to be Delta Diamond, the Delta variant.
Speaker 2: Hello Darling. That's the truth.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I'm like, Okay, we have to
Speaker 3: do this for the pandemic.
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 3: And it's obviously clearly it's we're not done with the
Speaker 3: pandemic again, is I think we need to wait and
Speaker 3: see what this this winter will bring with miss Delta variant.
Speaker 3: But but I do think these companies are like, oh
Speaker 3: wait a minute, we can charge the same amount and
Speaker 3: just give them crackers.
Speaker 2: Girl, this is here to stay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were named ACLU's first ever trans Justice Ambassador.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in an exciting time, Peppermint.
Speaker 2: Honey, can you believe it? I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: It feels really good to be able to the ACLU
Speaker 3: has always been the people who have been explaining all
Speaker 3: these really confusing laws and policies and bills that are
Speaker 3: always coming down the pike that are all discriminatory, and
Speaker 3: I never understood what they are between the numbers and
Speaker 3: the build fourteen ninety two fifteen Article eight p. Twelve
Speaker 3: to knowing like what they're remembering, what they're called, let alone,
Speaker 3: what's inside of them and what they mean. And so
Speaker 3: ACLU has always been up on that because that's their thing.
Speaker 3: They're attorneys, and they've been you know, they've been doing
Speaker 3: it for over one hundred years, and so to know
Speaker 3: that they're they've always you know, obviously been fighting for
Speaker 3: equality for LGBTQ people. But I do think it's well
Speaker 3: overdue it's about damn time they have a trans justice ambassador,
Speaker 3: and darn it, I'm happy to be that person.
Speaker 1: Who better amazing, Well, pepper Man, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Ghosts me too, Okay, oh man, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. And you know, Okay, it's funny
Speaker 1: that you bring that up, because I was just I
Speaker 1: was just doing some research on you. Now. I went
Speaker 1: to Wikipedia, which Wikipedia famously is always one hundred percent accurate,
Speaker 1: so so let me check a few things here. But
Speaker 1: the reason I was thinking, because okay, you're reference in
Speaker 1: the movie ghost, I was just re listening to a
Speaker 1: time I had Nicole Bayer on this podcast and we
Speaker 1: talked about ghosts, but we also talked about how she
Speaker 1: went to Amada. And I saw in Wikipedia that you
Speaker 1: went to AMDA. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: It's true?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Nicole, when she went to AMDA, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you stayed in the housing that she stayed in,
Speaker 1: but she stayed in a place called the Stratford Arms,
Speaker 1: which I guess is AMDA student housing, and it's super haunted.
Speaker 2: That I mean, let me put I can give you
Speaker 2: a little precursor.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, the whole deal with New I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how much you talked about it with Nicole
Speaker 3: or with anyone, but Amda used to Basically they didn't
Speaker 3: have their own dedicated anything.
Speaker 2: They didn't have their own dedicated nothing.
Speaker 3: Everything was barrowed or rented from other people or other
Speaker 3: parts of the city.
Speaker 2: And so we all we all went.
Speaker 3: To the same school, but it would basically be like
Speaker 3: ten students in vacant room. Whenever a residential hotel had vacancies,
Speaker 3: they would put us in it. And residential tells for
Speaker 3: people who don't know, are like they're exactly what they
Speaker 3: sound like. They're like long stay hotels that but it's
Speaker 3: when you say hotel, it's like loose, loosely used term.
Speaker 3: You're not getting like you know, room service and your
Speaker 3: your linen's changed. It's like a room that is in
Speaker 3: the building and you know that has all the cigarette
Speaker 3: burns and and pea stains on everything. And so when
Speaker 3: a when someone when a room opens up, when either
Speaker 3: someone gets arrested or dies, then they would have they
Speaker 3: would put students in there. And that was I guess
Speaker 3: their best way to have cheap housing for us. And
Speaker 3: so I lived at the Graystone, which was considered the
Speaker 3: Ritz Carlton of the of the of the student housing,
Speaker 3: and then for some reason Nicole, Nicole and everybody else
Speaker 3: lived at the Strat and the Strat that's what we
Speaker 3: called it for short, the Strat, the Strat, along with
Speaker 3: the Graystone and many of the other was there was
Speaker 3: Hayden Hall, which they call Hayden Hell. There was there
Speaker 3: were so many other ones that had their own nicknames.
Speaker 3: There was the York They all had these names. And
Speaker 3: the buildings like you know already had. There was the
Speaker 3: Amsterdam for you know, New York buildings. They just named
Speaker 3: them after a thank anyway, they the happening. What they
Speaker 3: had was like you would go in them and they
Speaker 3: had basically like all of these elderly people who used
Speaker 3: to live there or who all these elderly people who
Speaker 3: lived there who have lived there pretty much their whole
Speaker 3: lives since the turn of the century when they were youngsters.
Speaker 3: And so in the Greystone Lobby you would go in
Speaker 3: every day and there would be like five to ten
Speaker 3: elderly people, always the same people sitting down and they
Speaker 3: would just leave their apartments and that was their event
Speaker 3: for the day. It was just to be in the
Speaker 3: lobby and they would you know, you'd go in and
Speaker 3: you say hi and by, and they'd see you off
Speaker 3: to school and then they'd they'd be there to greet
Speaker 3: you when you came back from school. And if you
Speaker 3: did sit down with them and have you know, some
Speaker 3: people were like not creeped out, you know, because they
Speaker 3: weren't dressed all fancy.
Speaker 2: They were like sitting down there in their nightgowns.
Speaker 3: And if you did talk to them, they would tell
Speaker 3: you these stories about.
Speaker 2: How they were you know, Broadway show girls and.
Speaker 1: Dancing that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3: Course girls that worked at the Zigfeld follies and so
Speaker 3: you know, this was like a real part of history
Speaker 3: and entertainment history.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: These a lot of these people who were living in
Speaker 3: now these efficiencies where they were just you know, living
Speaker 3: out their years, you know, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: they had friends and family.
Speaker 2: We never really knew much about them.
Speaker 3: But occasionally someone would die in the in the room.
Speaker 1: And would you hear people talk about it being haunted.
Speaker 3: I never heard anyone talk about Yes, yes I did
Speaker 3: hear people talk about the Stratford being haunted, But the Stratford,
Speaker 3: it was really difficult to know if the Stratford was
Speaker 3: actually haunted, because you know, just like a lot of
Speaker 3: places in big cities, they have these big buildings that
Speaker 3: are really useful and valuable and they use them for
Speaker 3: many different things. The Stratford, like the Graystone which is
Speaker 3: where I lived, was a multi use building. It was
Speaker 3: a hotel, it was an old folks home, it was
Speaker 3: a student housing.
Speaker 2: It was also outpatient for a.
Speaker 3: Sort of like halfway house, and also mental services housing.
Speaker 3: There was also people who had been, you know, dealing
Speaker 3: with substance abuse and you know, living there, and so
Speaker 3: like it was like everybody and their issues was up.
Speaker 2: In that place, and so you didn't know, yeah, lots
Speaker 2: of energy.
Speaker 3: You didn't know if somebody was if it was haunted,
Speaker 3: or if there was somebody was just like took an
Speaker 3: extra hit of something.
Speaker 2: And so all that was going on is what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say.
Speaker 1: But well, Nicole saw a little boy ghost and her
Speaker 1: roommate saw the ghost of what appeared to be like
Speaker 1: a horse jockey in a closet. And then okay, so
Speaker 1: after I talked to Nicole, I had had a listener
Speaker 1: of this show, right me, Joey from Quebec went there
Speaker 1: and lived in the Stratford Arms, and this is what
Speaker 1: Joey wrote. They say, during my time in the dorms,
Speaker 1: I always had my own room. However, in my first semester,
Speaker 1: I didn't have my own private bathroom until my second semester.
Speaker 1: So in our hallways there were a few bathrooms. I
Speaker 1: hated using the men's room for obvious reasons, so I
Speaker 1: used to wait to see the I used to wait
Speaker 1: to use the private girl's bathroom. So I was going
Speaker 1: to do that one night, and before I could go in,
Speaker 1: I saw an older woman walk right in and shut door.
Speaker 1: So I sort of stood there waiting. Five minutes go by,
Speaker 1: and I'm chilling, and then I look up. The door
Speaker 1: is wide open and there was no woman in there,
Speaker 1: but I know I saw someone. So then I started
Speaker 1: using the boys bathroom. Another time in the on the
Speaker 1: tenth floor, which I called the quiet floor. I'm walking
Speaker 1: down the hallway to my friend's room and a man
Speaker 1: with an old fashioned suit was walking towards me, so
Speaker 1: I moved to give him room. As he passes me,
Speaker 1: I turned back. He was a looker, okay loo, And
Speaker 1: when I look back, he was gone. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? However, I love this stuff. I was exhilarated.
Speaker 1: So I mean, maybe those people that you used to see.
Speaker 3: Who knows, who knows, if they were ghost, they might
Speaker 3: not have actually been there, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, So what's your story with ghosts? Where are you
Speaker 1: at with it? Do you believe in this stuff?
Speaker 3: I do believe in I definitely believe in spirits, and
Speaker 3: I mean I think there's a different between spirits and ghosts.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know what does that tell me? I
Speaker 3: think that spirits are well. I think that spirits are
Speaker 3: the essence of everything, that's all the energy, and that
Speaker 3: basically our energy, our essence, our energy left over after
Speaker 3: our body is finished.
Speaker 2: And ghosts, I think are.
Speaker 3: If spirits are essence and energy, then I think that
Speaker 3: ghosts are of one particular mood and it's like stuck
Speaker 3: in that mood. I think someone's a ghost when I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe I've been watching too many movies and Stevie shows,
Speaker 3: but I think if someone's a ghost because something went wrong,
Speaker 3: they didn't get to pass on the way that they
Speaker 3: wanted to, they didn't get to finish and go through
Speaker 3: the way that they wanted to.
Speaker 1: They're stuck.
Speaker 3: They're stuck, and so I think that ghosts are basically
Speaker 3: a representation of that. And so, you know, even though
Speaker 3: this person may have lived a full and happy life
Speaker 3: and different things, if they were in a particular mood
Speaker 3: and you know, when they were, you know, at a
Speaker 3: certain point, that's that's the mood that they're in for
Speaker 3: the rest, for for the rest of eternity as ghosts,
Speaker 3: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: And so all of a sudden, this this.
Speaker 3: Lovely lady who was a beautiful, loving mother, who was
Speaker 3: really who got angry one day and fell off the thing,
Speaker 3: you know, and then died.
Speaker 2: Now her ghost is just angry, you know what I mean. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 3: Think it's like you're you're whereever you were stuck at,
Speaker 3: You're just stuck at it. That's that's what I think
Speaker 3: a ghost is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I definitely I think that there that
Speaker 1: that is a lot of times what's going on. But
Speaker 1: because like sometimes I encounter quote unquote goes where it's
Speaker 1: like they died, but they just don't want to be dead,
Speaker 1: like they're they died, they knew they were dying, and
Speaker 1: they're just like I really like this house. So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stay here for a while or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's not like like it is kind of
Speaker 1: like sad and not dealing with whatever they're they needed
Speaker 1: to deal with. But it's like, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many different kinds of ghosts. There's
Speaker 1: there are some ghosts that seem to be more like
Speaker 1: what they call intelligent, having different emotions, and they can
Speaker 1: kind of react to you, and they can make jokes,
Speaker 1: they can do all kinds of things. And then there's
Speaker 1: other ones that are just kind of stuck, like they're
Speaker 1: they're just kind of on repeat. They call them hauntings.
Speaker 2: They're going to be roam in the halls whether you
Speaker 2: see them or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally so. Yeah. And and the the ghost
Speaker 1: and spirit thing, I see that too, because it seems
Speaker 1: that like you know, like all of us when we
Speaker 1: pass like physically our bodies on this earth, we still
Speaker 1: have spirit. And it seems that those spirits, you know,
Speaker 1: they go somewhere who knows. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: it's not I think that with the word ghosts there's
Speaker 1: kind of like a like a sad connotation or something.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't know, it's it's in some ways,
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like semantics or word.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like because, for example, okay, my house as a child,
Speaker 1: my grandmother who died was chilling, and she was very
Speaker 1: I would say intelligent and acted like a grandma as
Speaker 1: a ghost. But I'm like, it's weird calling her a
Speaker 1: ghost because she.
Speaker 2: Was like that's grandma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like certainly her spirit, but like she was exactly.
Speaker 1: I think she just stayed around because she she lived
Speaker 1: in that house and she loved it, and she died
Speaker 1: when I was young, and so she appeared to me
Speaker 1: and my cousin who was also young the time. So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. So you've never encountered a
Speaker 1: ghost or.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen anything in particular that
Speaker 3: was I mean, and I'm not a skeptic. I'm I'm
Speaker 3: quite a scaredy cat, and so I think I just
Speaker 3: I may listen, I may have seen ghost. I just
Speaker 3: don't stick around to even figure it out. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: oh snap, some move, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Well your books. You're like, okay, I got a TV
Speaker 1: show to go beyond this.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that got there, but I gotta
Speaker 2: go that was mortally my story, but I did.
Speaker 3: I mean the one story that the one like thing
Speaker 3: that I have which I don't want to go too
Speaker 3: deep into, but my my grandma. It always involves our grandparents.
Speaker 3: My grandmother was quite the eccentric lady at the at
Speaker 3: the parties. Let's just say that, you know, after cocktail hour, Okay,
Speaker 3: if you catch my drift.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 3: She eventually passed a lung cancer and that was a
Speaker 3: really tough time. I was there, you know, helping with
Speaker 3: her and everything when she when she passed, But my grandfather,
Speaker 3: she would always accuse my grandfather being you know, unfaithful
Speaker 3: and on everything and anything that started with she accused
Speaker 3: my grandfather And we didn't really have that much confirmation.
Speaker 2: They were married for seventy five years, wow, and so.
Speaker 3: They she had her suspicions, and you know, she knew
Speaker 3: what she knew, I guess, and I remember I had
Speaker 3: After she passed, I spent less time at my grandparents house.
Speaker 2: But apparently only a few months after she had passed.
Speaker 3: Allegedly, and I don't know exactly how it happens, but allegedly,
Speaker 3: according to my aunts and my mother, my grandfather was in.
Speaker 2: My grand It was in their bed.
Speaker 3: My grandfather was in their bed with someone who wasn't
Speaker 3: my grandmother, okay, okay. And the above the bed was
Speaker 3: the window where a air conditioner was like right above
Speaker 3: the bed. I don't it's the most bizarre place that
Speaker 3: you would put it, but it was like above the bed,
Speaker 3: like if the air conditioner fell out of the wall,
Speaker 3: it would hit smash her head. I don't know why
Speaker 3: anyone would put an air conditioner there, but that's where
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: And so the.
Speaker 3: Above the bed air conditioner apparently caught on fire, and
Speaker 3: there was this huge burn mark on the wall where
Speaker 3: the air conditioner caught on fire. And you know, I
Speaker 3: think that was the last time my grandfather had ever
Speaker 3: tried to use that bed for anything other than sleeping.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and so I think that and I would
Speaker 3: I hope that that was my grandmother's ghost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. Okay, that's good. That's good. Do
Speaker 1: you ever go to like psychics or have you done
Speaker 1: anything like that?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't gone to a psychic. I have.
Speaker 3: I am on a deck of tarot cards, and so
Speaker 3: I would like to get my cards read. There's a
Speaker 3: I wish I had their name, but there an art
Speaker 3: an artiste who makes drag tarot cards from many of
Speaker 3: the girls from Track Race.
Speaker 2: And I'm the two of Wand's I.
Speaker 3: Think, And I'm also I'm also on there as one
Speaker 3: of the village People because we did Village People song
Speaker 3: in our season and and so I would love to
Speaker 3: get my cards read one day.
Speaker 1: So when you were growing up, did your family have
Speaker 1: any thoughts on this kind of stuff, like did they
Speaker 1: believe in it? Did you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I mean other than my grandmother, Like until those moments
Speaker 3: of my grandmother, that was pretty much them that that
Speaker 3: was pretty much the first time I'd ever heard anything
Speaker 3: about like ghosts from my family or in and around
Speaker 3: my family. No one ever talked about this house as haunted.
Speaker 3: But then you know the I think people would probably
Speaker 3: say that now about my grandparents' house, surely if you're
Speaker 3: my grandfather.
Speaker 2: But we just happened to live.
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound so bougie, but I guess there
Speaker 3: was a moment in time when black families who were
Speaker 3: educators were a part of that wave which you can
Speaker 3: probably watch about look at in some other TV shows.
Speaker 3: Part of that wave in the early in the late forties,
Speaker 3: early fifties who were actually buying land and building their
Speaker 3: own houses. And so the houses that I spent a
Speaker 3: lot of the time and were actually built from from
Speaker 3: the ground up for the people who lived in them.
Speaker 3: My you know, my family members, my grandparents, they built
Speaker 3: the house. And so the way I didn't have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to live in a place where like, oh, the
Speaker 3: old lady who used to live here died because nobody
Speaker 3: lived there before. And I know that's not the answer
Speaker 3: you want to hear, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Was this in Wilmington, Delaware? According to Wikipedia?
Speaker 3: Yes, my grandparents' house is in Pennsylvania, which is where
Speaker 3: I was born, and then I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware.
Speaker 3: And my mom and I did not build our own houses.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I was a kid.
Speaker 2: My mom did. She was a single mother, did not
Speaker 2: build the house.
Speaker 3: We were always the young, poor folks, the youngest and
Speaker 3: the poorest who just lived in apartments our whole life.
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to or hear about a place
Speaker 1: called the Dead President's Tavern in Wilmington?
Speaker 2: Oh, Dead presidents? Yeah, everybody's heart of dead President's.
Speaker 3: I've I've been to dead dead Presidents now I moved
Speaker 3: out of Wilmington when I was eighteen, so I wasn't
Speaker 3: really I wasn't old enough to go there as a patron.
Speaker 3: But I believe that the dead dead presidents did events sometimes,
Speaker 3: and I think I might have gone like just as
Speaker 3: an event once or twice in the back. But everybody
Speaker 3: dead presidents is legendary. Is dead president's haunted?
Speaker 1: Well, of course? Well else what I bring it up? Okay,
Speaker 1: I was doing some research on Wilmington and this was
Speaker 1: the most interesting story that I've found. I think, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's this presence that haunts it that allegedly this man
Speaker 1: apparently this is true. It's not just like an urban
Speaker 1: legend that this man in nineteen sixty they called him
Speaker 1: Lemonade Muellery. I guess was his name his nickname. I
Speaker 1: guess his name was Lemonade. But I think that the
Speaker 1: way he died has something to do with that. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but okay, so he uh, he was. He
Speaker 1: drank a lot, and he liked to play practical jokes.
Speaker 1: He would throw things at staff and you know this
Speaker 1: is you know, fifties, sixties, and uh, for some reason,
Speaker 1: people were okay with it that he was this like
Speaker 1: jokes to me? Honestly, it's like, Okay, a drunk person
Speaker 1: throwing things, you'd have to be really sweet to get
Speaker 1: away with that. But he one night is super drunk
Speaker 1: and he goes to the bathroom and he slipped on
Speaker 1: a puddle of urine, broke his neck and died. He
Speaker 1: his neck and died. So apparently he haunts this place now,
Speaker 1: and waiters and waitresses have had dishes thrown at them,
Speaker 1: and they've heard maniacal giggling behind them. Glasses in the
Speaker 1: bar have rattled by themselves, and other Poulter Guy's incidents occur,
Speaker 1: and pranks are played on the patrons. Dominoes in the
Speaker 1: game room have been known to float across the recreation room,
Speaker 1: and giggling is heard on the stairs and the area
Speaker 1: around the bathrooms.
Speaker 3: So next time, Willington, next time I'm in Wollington, I
Speaker 3: will make sure I do not go to dead Past.
Speaker 2: This is the thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I am a horror fanatic.
Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of horry do you like?
Speaker 3: Zombie is my main and I felt like I'm listening
Speaker 3: to a ghost story. So I had to get myself
Speaker 3: some sour Patch kids to eat while I've listened to
Speaker 3: you talk about lemonade, oh Lolari or whatever his name is, zombie,
Speaker 3: lemon name, mullerie, that name, that name.
Speaker 2: Don't say it again, I'll appear. I love zombie.
Speaker 3: Movies, and you know, zombie, the zombie genre is my favorite.
Speaker 2: But I love all scary movies.
Speaker 1: So what is it about horror that draws you to
Speaker 1: a because I mean, you're to the point where even
Speaker 1: your Insta says a horror fan. I know.
Speaker 3: And it's really ridiculous because most people are like, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? But I've actually met some people
Speaker 3: who are like, I don't actually like scary movies, and
Speaker 3: I look at them, I think.
Speaker 2: Are you what's wrong with you? How could you not
Speaker 2: like scary movies? I like scary movies. I like thrills.
Speaker 2: I like roller coasters. I like things like that.
Speaker 1: You like you some zombies.
Speaker 3: I love zombies, and I think my biggest attraction is
Speaker 3: zombie movies. Is the theater theatrical experience when you can
Speaker 3: scream at something coming on the screen and then grab
Speaker 3: your friends and like scream and while you're grabbing, ripping
Speaker 3: their arm off. For some reason, I'm attracted to zombies.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I feel like I know a lot about zombies. If
Speaker 3: zombies come, I you're prepared. I feel like I'm prepared,
Speaker 3: But I don't. I don't want to die by zombie,
Speaker 3: but I guess I would rather die by zombies in
Speaker 3: some other way of dying, I guess.
Speaker 1: But Okay, this is messed up. But there was a
Speaker 1: time at the very beginning of the pandemic when I
Speaker 1: ran my ass to Target to get some toilet paper
Speaker 1: and I could like there was nothing like there was.
Speaker 1: It was scary to see people like running, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this reminds me of all those zombie movies
Speaker 1: that I've seen where it's like people start fighting, you know,
Speaker 1: like The Walking Dead becomes like people fighting over like
Speaker 1: resources and different penicillin. Yeah, that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: was like, is this and then it becomes.
Speaker 2: The organ trail because it's like penicillin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But my thing with zombies is I'm always like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I think I would, I would get to a
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, Okay, seems way more fun to
Speaker 1: be a zombie, Like just take me, give me a bite.
Speaker 1: And you know they seem like dumb, you know, all, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can eat buffet sounds good to me. Well, I
Speaker 1: want to see how much of a scaredy cat you
Speaker 1: are because I have something scary to show you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Our friend's so Nique, who was on this podcast. She
Speaker 1: has a genuine ghost video that shook me core. No,
Speaker 1: you don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: But we haven't gotten to the scared.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to tell you first. Let me tell you.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you because you're already scaring me.
Speaker 1: Okay, why I don't want scare you too much?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: I thought you like I do.
Speaker 3: I like scary movies, but I don't like. I like
Speaker 3: scary movies, I like. I like zombie movies, and I
Speaker 3: like action films. I like things because I know that
Speaker 3: they're fake. When I know that they're real, it really
Speaker 3: scares me. I don't like seeing violence or people actually
Speaker 3: being hurt in real life. I don't like. I don't
Speaker 3: like when zombies really come around. I don't like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, the scary. The movies that scare
Speaker 3: me the most are like scare me the most are
Speaker 3: ghost movies, and the like movies about like possession, like
Speaker 3: demons and stuff like that. I don't do it now.
Speaker 3: I watch those, I'll watch them once. I will not
Speaker 3: I not, will not watch them twice. And honey, I
Speaker 3: watch a zombie movie before I go to bed, Like
Speaker 3: I'll sit and watch zombie movie and then fall asleep.
Speaker 2: I I not watch a demon movie before I sleep too.
Speaker 3: But then I'm like looking around and thinking, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to look in the mirror. I don't
Speaker 3: want to look in I don't want to look at
Speaker 3: any kind of reflection. I don't want to look I
Speaker 3: don't want to wake up at three fourteen, between three
Speaker 3: and fours when they say the.
Speaker 2: DNS at the witching hour.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do any like. I'm wary of
Speaker 3: all of that. And right now I'm staying on a
Speaker 3: I won't even tell you what has happened. I'm staying
Speaker 3: in an airbnb by myself in Florida, and it scares
Speaker 3: the heck out of me.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just we can pass on it. We
Speaker 1: can pass on it.
Speaker 2: You can show it.
Speaker 3: Now, Wait, can you can you give me a little
Speaker 3: bit of a precursor or like that?
Speaker 2: So what do yeah tell me?
Speaker 1: So so Nique? So Nique was just chilling in her
Speaker 1: home and she was just you know, I think she
Speaker 1: was on live. This is a number of years ago,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden she was like looking into
Speaker 1: the camera on her computer and she saw somebody behind her.
Speaker 1: And there was nobody behind her. But you can see
Speaker 1: somebody behind her in this video. Now listen, I am
Speaker 1: seriously Are you sure, I'm seriously sensitive to this kind
Speaker 1: of to your situation because I'm the exact same way,
Speaker 1: especially what I'm staying someplace that I don't live, and
Speaker 1: I am not sure if so.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you see so in this video, it's not
Speaker 2: her telling the story. It's actually the video of.
Speaker 1: No, she was recording video. Yeah, it's the fast.
Speaker 2: How do you know that there's nobody behind her? Well
Speaker 2: you have to see Oh my god. Okay, you go
Speaker 2: ahead and play it.
Speaker 3: And if I need to look, I'll just look away.
Speaker 3: I might just see it peripherally. I'm just looking away.
Speaker 1: Okay. But we're gonna we're gonna be looking to like
Speaker 1: the right side of her where like that cup is. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh jesus, it's a short clips.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Do you I don't know if
Speaker 2: you have of course, you have curs and you have
Speaker 2: Nicole on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Here we go.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not looking. Okay, go.
Speaker 1: Keep looking. Did you see it? No?
Speaker 2: Good, We'll glad I didn't see it. Thank god. I
Speaker 2: feel like I dodged a bullet. Can frame on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, go through it slow, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Frame on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a right where that cup is? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Do you see that it's like a
Speaker 1: guy reaching for like a fry or something. Okay, now
Speaker 1: that you've seen it. Can we watch it in real time?
Speaker 1: Now that you've seen it? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Girl, Uh, what's this reaction? No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, honey. If that
Speaker 3: was a if you I saw something behind me, you
Speaker 3: would have seen me. I would have been out of.
Speaker 2: There so quick. I would have screamed. I would have
Speaker 2: knocked over the camera. I would have jumped, I would
Speaker 2: have ran. I ain't looking all slow, girl? What's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? How people get killed? But you know, nonchalant
Speaker 2: ass reaction.
Speaker 3: When if you know that you're nobody's in the house,
Speaker 3: you're supposed to run.
Speaker 1: You know, soniqu too? Like, well, first of all, I've
Speaker 1: seen a video of Sonique whipping somebody's ass that tried
Speaker 1: to take her tips. Sonique is tough, but she's also
Speaker 1: the sweetest. Like I truly believe. I don't think that
Speaker 1: she like that this is fake or anything like. This
Speaker 1: is to me, a genuine one of the best ghost
Speaker 1: videos I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Girl, I don't get I mean, I yeah, I'm it's
Speaker 3: for I can't engage with it too much because it
Speaker 3: does scare me. But I just don't understand why she
Speaker 3: didn't go, because that's what I would have done.
Speaker 1: But because she looks back and there's nothing there, so
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, maybe there isn't anything. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: a haunted house where she lived. It was just like
Speaker 1: a thing that happened. Which could see that happen. We
Speaker 1: don't know. But Okay, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: You Okay I watched it. Don't keep showing.
Speaker 1: It, Okay, okay, Okay, I feel like I have scared
Speaker 1: you enough. Now. There is something that we usually do
Speaker 1: on the show, but I am totally fine, seriously with
Speaker 1: not doing it if you don't want, But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what it is. We listen to ghost voices which
Speaker 1: people believe that they've captured ghosts speaking on camera, like
Speaker 1: from Ghost Hunting, and I play them and I have
Speaker 1: you guess what the ghost is saying? Would you want
Speaker 1: to give that a try?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, hell, no, hell, you bitch. I ain't listening to
Speaker 3: no ghost talking to me. I don't want to know
Speaker 3: what they have to say. I don't want to know
Speaker 3: what a ghost voice sounds like. I don't want to
Speaker 3: recognize no ghosts. If I thought it was the lawnmower,
Speaker 3: I want to still think it's the lawnmower. If I
Speaker 3: thought it was a duck, I still want to think
Speaker 3: it's a duck. If I thought it was whatever, I
Speaker 3: don't want to know. I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: Y'all, y'all, Roy, yes, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we will do it, though we'll skip it this time. Okay,
Speaker 1: then let me tell you about one more thing. Have
Speaker 1: you ever have you ever heard of La Pascualita?
Speaker 2: No, tell me about.
Speaker 1: Okay, in Chihuahua, Mexico, which is actually where my family
Speaker 1: is from. Originally, there's a local legend and so basically
Speaker 1: this woman owned this dress store. Her name was Pascuala Esparza.
Speaker 1: She owns this dress store and her daughter died of
Speaker 1: a black widow spider bike. Oh no, okay, this is
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty. And then very very shortly after, this
Speaker 1: brand new mannequin showed up in the window at the
Speaker 1: dress store that looked a lot like the daughter, and
Speaker 1: people are like, wait a minute, that looks just like her,
Speaker 1: and they say that it looks so eerily real, like
Speaker 1: way more than like a nineteen thirties mannequin. Like she's
Speaker 1: got veins on her thighs or like on her legs,
Speaker 1: like she's got fingernails, Like she looks like an embalmed
Speaker 1: human being, which there are like popes and other like
Speaker 1: world leaders and stuff around the world that have done that,
Speaker 1: Like they're like kind of on display and they like
Speaker 1: are embalmed or whatever. But so people, uh claim that
Speaker 1: this mannequin, they see her eyes following them, they turn
Speaker 1: around and she's in a different position, and people from
Speaker 1: around the world come to see this mannequin.
Speaker 2: And when today did to this day, to this.
Speaker 1: Day, she's like an urban legend. I mean, now we
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true or not, but I mean
Speaker 1: it it's kind of convincing. But can I show you
Speaker 1: a picture of what she looks like.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You try I saw on Instagram that you like horror movies.
Speaker 1: Don't blame me.
Speaker 3: Movies, movies, movies, movies, actors.
Speaker 2: Okay, show me the goddamn now you got me cursing.
Speaker 2: Show me this, bitch. Oh lord, what are you going
Speaker 2: to show me a picture of?
Speaker 3: Tell me?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is the mannequin?
Speaker 2: What is this is just.
Speaker 1: No, it's just I'm not looking Okay, Okay, let's take
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 2: Describe it. Describe it.
Speaker 1: It's just a beautiful female mannequin and a close up
Speaker 1: of her hand that kind of shows that it looks
Speaker 1: more like a real so something that looks.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: In order for me to look at this, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I have to take the gas out of it a
Speaker 3: little bit. It's a it's a mannequin that's in a
Speaker 3: story that looks very real.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm People think it looks really real now
Speaker 1: based off I've never seen it in person. I think
Speaker 1: it kind of just looks like a mannequin. But there
Speaker 1: is a close up of the hand and and it
Speaker 1: kind of the hand to me, does look way is.
Speaker 2: Going to jump out or do something great?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I'm not shady like that at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's look at it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what I would Oh, that hand doesn't does
Speaker 3: look like she's a most sad. Yeah, it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like even the neck area, this doesn't look like a
Speaker 3: mannequin that came out of the.
Speaker 1: Box, you know, like, Oh, she's been there for all
Speaker 1: these years. Now, how much would you keep I.
Speaker 2: Guess if it's a tourist attraction, you're you're going to
Speaker 2: keep it now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, yeah, it's become like a destination.
Speaker 1: But how much money would you have to be paid
Speaker 1: to put on that dress and be in that store
Speaker 1: for an entire night by yourself with that Mexican.
Speaker 3: More than a million dollars? Probably ten. Actually, there's no
Speaker 3: amount of money. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: I don't care how much money it is. It's not
Speaker 3: worth it.
Speaker 2: It's more.
Speaker 3: It would have to be more money than I could
Speaker 3: ever spend in a lifetime, which means you might as
Speaker 3: well get killed because you're never going to spend it.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to do it. Okay.
Speaker 3: If the ghost is like, okay, I'll give you ten
Speaker 3: million dollars because I know you can't spend this money.
Speaker 2: But since you can't spend it, I'll kill you.
Speaker 1: Then no, like, okay, Well, Peppermint, you've been a great sport.
Speaker 1: I really hope I did not traumatize you. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna be okay?
Speaker 3: I'm scared, but I'm all right. Oh no, I might
Speaker 3: watch cartoons tonight.
Speaker 1: Well I'm so appreciate you doing this. Can you tell people?
Speaker 1: I mean, now this could take an hour, but can
Speaker 1: you tell people what you got going on? Where people
Speaker 1: can find you? I mean, there's so much stuff going on,
Speaker 1: but you know, let us know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people should follow me on social media. They should
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Speaker 3: It's about their family, it's about you know, it's about
Speaker 3: the Jennings family for those of you that don't know,
Speaker 3: and their support of their youngest child, who is a
Speaker 3: transgender woman. Now she was a young girl and they've
Speaker 3: been this. This is season seven and so I'm happy
Speaker 3: to be featured on the show and that comes out
Speaker 3: this fall as well.
Speaker 1: I think that's a Discovery Plus probably right.
Speaker 3: Well, it was on TLC, but you know a lot
Speaker 3: of these these networks are having these big old mergers.
Speaker 2: Honey.
Speaker 3: It's like a network orgy, and so you can't tell
Speaker 3: who works what and what channel does? Does my password
Speaker 3: still work? I don't know, right, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 3: it's it is.
Speaker 1: I know it is on Discovery Plus. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's only on Discovery Plus, but it is Undiscovery Plus,
Speaker 1: which I have because that's what all the ghost shows
Speaker 1: are on too. Well, Peppermint, it's been lovely. Thank you God.
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel bad that I didn't want to scare
Speaker 1: you like this.
Speaker 3: I've been scared. I've been scared much worse. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you I'm never watching Hereditary again.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. When she's on the ceiling.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1: About okay, and then I bring it up. Of course
Speaker 1: I bring it up. I just I live in this spookiness,
Speaker 1: so I talk about it so nonchalantly, and then I
Speaker 1: forget that there's people that like, don't just talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff every day. So I appreciate you so much
Speaker 1: doing this, and hopefully I'll get to work with you
Speaker 1: again sometime.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love that, Gorge.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Peppermint. Special thank you to
Speaker 1: Ken Phillips. And if you want to hear more from
Speaker 1: this episode, go to patreon dot com slash Rosdresfles. On
Speaker 1: my second tier, you can hear Peppermint's thoughts on UFOs
Speaker 1: and bigfoots and haunted dolls and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And you can also hear my new little Patreon podcast
Speaker 1: that I'm doing with my best friend Sam Pancake for
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks or maybe longer. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's all there on Patreon link in the description
Speaker 1: of this episode and guys next week one of our
Speaker 1: favorite guests of the show. It is a three peat guest.
Speaker 1: This is Katrina Widman. We'll be back here and we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about the TV show Portals to Hew. So
Speaker 1: go watch Portals to Hew also on Discovery Plus. You know,
Speaker 1: go watch Portals to Hell. It's one of my absolute
Speaker 1: favorite paranormal TV shows and we'll be talking all about
Speaker 1: it next week, so check that out. Make sure you're subscribed. Hey,
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