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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars, Bizarre and Lazarn Hello.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar gap.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: They're building a program. That program is being built a

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Speaker 2: lot like a house. And to me right now, Alex,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about it. They have

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Speaker 2: a foundation to the home. They have walls, they have

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Speaker 2: a ceiling, they have a roof over their head. Now

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Speaker 2: we're starting to remodel the inside. Right now is when

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Speaker 2: you get the fancy granite countertop and the sub zero appliances,

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Speaker 2: and the nice couch and the flat screen TV on

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Speaker 2: the wall and all that different kind of stuff. That's

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Speaker 2: all the things that we're talking about this offseason. But

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Speaker 2: let's not lose sight of the fact that you have

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Speaker 2: Coach of the Year, you have a quarterback, was the

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Speaker 2: runner up for the MVP. You won seventeen games including

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Speaker 2: playoffs this season. This is not the same place this

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Speaker 2: team has been the last couple of off seasons where

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Speaker 2: they have turn over the entire roster.

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Speaker 3: It's unmanageable to do list this time around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess I already gave the take that

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Speaker 2: I was going to give, So I think I need

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Speaker 2: to get off that soapbox about this Patriots off season. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Alex behind the glass. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about it. We're gonna talk about some football for

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Speaker 2: the next couple of hours here on Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: And we have some things to talk about. Some Patriots

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Speaker 2: news last night with some coaching news that we are

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Speaker 2: all kind of expecting with Zach Korr. But it is

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Speaker 2: now official that Zach Korr is going to be promoted

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Speaker 2: to defensive coordinator. Have the interim tag removed however you

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Speaker 2: want to look at that, but he's being promoted the

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. No official announcement yet from the team. This

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Speaker 2: is all reported announcement, but that announcement expected to come

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Speaker 2: here in the next couple of days. Then we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do some off season stuff. We have my top five

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Speaker 2: off season needs for the Patriots, and then we'll dovetail

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Speaker 2: that with some combine some draft targets, some free agent targets.

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Speaker 2: I got some names. I got some names.

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Speaker 3: We're finally doing names.

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Speaker 2: So we're finally doing some names and I've been I

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Speaker 2: know you've been doing the same thing. I've been plugging

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Speaker 2: away at the guys that you know. I kind of

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Speaker 2: took our great mock draft database website that puts together

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Speaker 2: the consensus board. I kind of took like twenty to

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Speaker 2: sure the order might change quite a bit in the media,

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Speaker 2: those and looking at some of the guys that might

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Speaker 2: interested in. So I got needs, I got names, we

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Speaker 2: got the whole thing. Got the combine next week. But

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with the news Alex last night

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Speaker 2: that Zach Kor now officially, well unofficially officially being promoted

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Speaker 2: There was some logistical stuff with the Rooney rule that

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Speaker 2: Sounds like they did that. Some reporting on that of

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Speaker 2: Phil Perry said Abandon from the Cleveland Browns interviewed so

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Speaker 2: I would say, I don't have a ton of takes,

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Speaker 2: so we all just saw what Zach Korr does. He

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Speaker 2: But the one thing that I think really has stood

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Speaker 2: I do think that that helps you kind of narrow

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Speaker 2: And not only did Zach Corr develop in a year

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Speaker 2: in a positive way, but this is a thirty seven

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Speaker 2: he get? First of all, but also just Rabel's big

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he earned it. He earned it.

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Speaker 1: I don't like anybody's gonna look at that and say, like,

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Speaker 1: they has anybody put out Terrell Williams title no yet.

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Speaker 1: I saw some places when I was looking up last

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Speaker 2: So he so he's a Rabel's assistant head coach in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I just I wasn't sure if I because I hadn't

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it makes sense because Trell Williams gonna kind

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's been as widely reported, but Mike

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Speaker 1: to take Zach COR's job as the inside linebackers coach.

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Speaker 1: So how many times did we talk about this in

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Speaker 1: the late Belichick era and then with Trod Mayo the pipeline, Right,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about having good coaches in those coordinator roles.

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Speaker 1: It's about having the next man up and being ready

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Speaker 1: it shows the staff they've built, not just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Zach Korr was a nice addition when they put the

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Speaker 2: And they have that kind of on the offense too,

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Speaker 3: Right, same thing as core kind of.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things that stood out. You know, we

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Speaker 2: don't know yet if the playoff defense is how they're

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Speaker 2: over forty percent of the time. That's not standard across

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Speaker 2: we talk about coverages and frequency of coverages, they played

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Speaker 2: a forty two percent split safety coverage rate last year.

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Speaker 2: the safeties are matching routes instead of playing spot drop

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Speaker 2: that's why you saw the Patriots transition from Kyle Duggar,

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Speaker 2: Jabriel Pepper's to Craig Woodson Jalen Hawkins is because those

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Speaker 2: from depth rangeyer in coverage. Yeah, so you see a

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Speaker 1: I think that's in a few spots. You know, if

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Speaker 1: slash pass rushing linebacker, which I think there's a handful

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00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: of in this draft. Like give zak kor chess piece,

437
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: give them some guys you can have fun.

438
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: So I have a I think we're kind of on

439
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: the same wavelength here. I just maybe looked at it

440
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: a little bit differently when we get to safety, which

441
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 2: we can talk about here in a second. But I

442
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: want to start with I think the big three needs,

443
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 2: and then we can get to some of these other ones. Uh,

444
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: the number one, I don't even necessarily know if he's

445
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: are an order. I just kind of wrote him down.

446
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that there needs to be an order.

447
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 2: I don't really think that how they go about it

448
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: is not an order thing like they you know what

449
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's these three things need to be addressed

450
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: at some point in the offseason. I'll just start with

451
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: the offensive line, you know. I think in general, they

452
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: probably have five guys they feel pretty good about from

453
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: the line last year that are all under contract going

454
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: into next season that they could bring the whole group back,

455
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: but they need upgrades. I think they need better, not

456
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: necessarily that they don't have five starters kind of like

457
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: what you were saying about off seasons of past where

458
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: they don't feel like they have five starting caliber players.

459
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: This is now more how can you upgrade on the

460
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: talent that you currently have in those positions? Now. The

461
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: one thing I'll say about that, I feel myself being

462
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 2: kind of done with the rookie lineman because they have

463
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 2: two guys and Jared Wilson and Will Campbell and if

464
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: you want to throw Marcus Bryant as like a flyer

465
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: there that are sort of your young developing you know,

466
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: highly drafted in the cases of Campbell and even Wilson

467
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: as a top one hundred pick, they kind of have

468
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: those guys already. Yeah, they kind of did that already,

469
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: So when I look at it, I think it's really difficult.

470
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: As on Wilson though, like are you keeping him left?

471
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: CARDI moving him to see?

472
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'll get to that. So my big picture thought

473
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: on the line is that we just saw two rookies

474
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: kind of get thrown to the wolves and go through

475
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: the gauntlet of playing an entire rookie seas in as

476
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: starters in the NFL. It's really hard to do, and

477
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: rookie linemen developed a little bit slower than some other positions.

478
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: It's a position that takes time to add not only

479
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: technique to your game, but all you know, NFL caliber technique,

480
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: but also play strength to your game that's at the

481
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: NFL level. So all these things are a long witted

482
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: way of saying, if you are expecting to be competing

483
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: for championships again next year, I don't know if drafting

484
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: a left guard in the top one hundred to try

485
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: to do this whole thing again with another rookie in there,

486
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: and now you're basically starting if all goes well, you're

487
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: starting three players on the line that are all second

488
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: year or rookie players. Right, You're gonna have three young

489
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: guys on the line again. Now that might be worth

490
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: it in the long run, like you're four or five

491
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: of that, you might have like what the Dallas Cowboys built,

492
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: and you might have a juggernaut offensive line. But that

493
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: I think is getting a little bit too ahead of ourselves.

494
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: So I'm far more interested in this kind of goes

495
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: to your Jared Wilson question. I'm more interested in going

496
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: out and signing or acquiring. It doesn't have to be

497
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: a free agent acquiring a solid to good veteran left guard,

498
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: like somebody that we really wanted them to get last offseason,

499
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: and they never did. You know, they didn't. They didn't

500
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 2: do the two anything they could have. I don't want

501
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: to keep on beating a dead horse with that. They

502
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: could have done that.

503
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: So ironically, the pick they would have had to trade

504
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: would have been Craig Woods being their best rookie se.

505
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know whatever, but it probably isn't going

506
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: to be a player Joe Tuni's caliber, because those guys

507
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: don't just grow on trees, you know, probably a future

508
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I like Edwards, but David Edwards is

509
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: a good one. I think that's uh that that's a

510
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: solid one. The kid from the guy from the Steelers

511
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: who I'm going to blank on his name right now.

512
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: I'll have it on a list here. In a second,

513
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: I thought that that's another good option. You know, these

514
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: guys are out there. They That's not a position where

515
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: teams typically lock every buddy down, right, you know, like

516
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: even like Tyler Linderbaum, who's the center, might hit unrestardedal

517
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: solid player, veteran guy been around. Uh, maybe a little

518
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: bit more of a run blocker, like a little bit

519
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: more of that nasty run blocking ability. Edward's kind of

520
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, part of an offensive line

521
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: in Buffalo last year that at the number one ranked

522
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: run offense in football. You know, so you add a

523
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: little bit more of that physicality, you add a little

524
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: bit more of that experience. Uh, they're both you know,

525
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: I I think I looked up to They're both wider

526
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: guys too, which is something that I think is important

527
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to put next to Campbell is somebody that's a little

528
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: bit more of a wider bodied and takes up a

529
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: little bit more space there to try to help, you know,

530
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: expand the surface there that they have to protect. I

531
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: think that that's the move that I would make, and

532
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: it's one like to me, it's one guy that I'm

533
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: looking at in terms of the immediate right's sign one

534
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: interior offensive lineman that can start next year that's a

535
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: plug and play starter. And then I do think that

536
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson is vying for center. Now does he get

537
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: handed the center job? Does he compete with Garrett Bradbury

538
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: in camp for center? You know that I think remains

539
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: a little bit to be seen. I would probably have

540
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: them compete for it, But maybe they have too much

541
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: respect for Garrett Bradbury.

542
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: To do that with him own when who had that

543
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: kind of remember his second year he kind of ended

544
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: up in a reter year because it's just the odd

545
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: man out and maybe, you know, changing positions a year

546
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: off would give Jared Wilson some help and let him

547
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: truly develop there.

548
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: So I'm not against that, but I'm with you.

549
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I just also think again, having a veteran next to Campbell,

550
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: and if Wilson's at center, having a veteran between those

551
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: two young guys just winds up a lot better than

552
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: having a rookie in there as well.

553
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: Because you have Campbell left whoever they sign or trade

554
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: for whatever at left guard.

555
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: What about a Dalton Reisner.

556
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: He hasn't been as good lately. He's kind of slown

557
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: down in his career.

558
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 6: You know.

559
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: The other one I kind of thought about is Vera Tucker,

560
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: who I think is a really talent.

561
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: He's coming off for pretty significant injury.

562
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: He's hurt all the time.

563
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 7: You know.

564
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: David Edwards is a good one. Tomallow from the Steelers

565
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: is a good one. But those two guys are gonna

566
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: be pretty highly coveted. I would assume if they hit

567
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: unrestricted free agency because of their steadiness. You know, we'll

568
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: see if anybody else, you know, wiggles free from trade.

569
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, you know, Joe Tooney got traded last year,

570
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: it's possible that somebody could all it's always possible that

571
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: a trade could materialize. But Campbell at left tackle, new

572
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: player at left guard, you know, veteran player at left guard,

573
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson or Bradbury at center on when who moses

574
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: it just feels like you're going young player veteran, young player, veteran.

575
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: You're kind of spacing it out a little bit more.

576
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: I think what we saw in the Super Bowl is

577
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: that Seattle just said you had two rookies on the

578
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: left side. We're just gonna hammer the left side, Nie,

579
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: And now at least you're able to space that out

580
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more and not make you yourself so

581
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: vulnerable to something like that come playoff time and against

582
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: the good defenses. So I'm not overhauling it. I'm not

583
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: We're not doing five new starters, three new starters. We're

584
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: not moving Campbell all around creation. I'm not doing that yet.

585
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: But I do think that signing that one solid veteran

586
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: guard could settle the whole thing down a little.

587
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: I think you do that, and then you try to

588
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: get you know, day two of the draft a project

589
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: right tackle, a developmental right tackle to work on behind

590
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Campbell along with Marcus Bryant.

591
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly should be and then look, you.

592
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Want to take another guard or tackle on day three

593
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: just to bolst the depth.

594
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: You can never have enough offensive line.

595
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm always drafting offensive lineman. Yeah, especially you know you

596
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: have four six round picks. You know one of those

597
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: is going to be alignment. You know that, Yeah, where

598
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: it is.

599
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: And there's some good guard value deeper in this draft. So, like,

600
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, if Mike because they got to rework Mic

601
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: when winners contract, probably like you know, if that ends

602
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: up being a short term thing and you want to

603
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: start getting the next guy ready there right, something like that.

604
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: But you know, in the top one hundred, I don't

605
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: they could. They could get a starting guard.

606
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: In the top one hundred, certainly.

607
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: I just think it's better allocation resources because even if

608
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: you're paying you mentioned that that Simalu and Edwards are

609
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: going to get like top of the market money for guard.

610
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: That's top of the market money for a guard right right.

611
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, even if you're paying top of the market

612
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: at that position, it's not the same drain that paying

613
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: top of the market for corner or a wide receiver

614
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: an edge rusher is.

615
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: So I just feel like I keep coming back to, Yeah,

616
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: you could maybe theoretically upgrade the talent of a player

617
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: or a ceiling of a player with a rookie, but

618
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: I think you're going to have the same rookie growing

619
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: paints that you just had with Campbell and Wilson. So

620
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: in a way, yeah, like maybe the long term is better,

621
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, like I said earlier, three to five years

622
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: from now, maybe you have a better outlook with that player.

623
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: But when they were humming, and I know we always

624
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: do this and we always compare it to the Dynasty,

625
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: but when they're not, when they were humming, they had

626
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: these guys waiting in the wings for when the older

627
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: players moving. And that that's what I want to get

628
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: back to. I want to draft somebody that doesn't isn't

629
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: thrust into you know, Jared Wilson was drafted in the

630
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: third round. He probably shouldn't have been started, and they.

631
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: Drafted him to play center.

632
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Elliott Well said it after the draft they just Cole

633
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Strange shouldn't work out.

634
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: Ben Brown.

635
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: I guess they thought didn't win the drive then who

636
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: what was the name we were retired remember in the spring?

637
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

638
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had brought a completely different guard in, like

639
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: journeyman guy who retired?

640
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: Is it nuts?

641
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same about wide receiver too,

642
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't want them to be so.

643
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly young on offense. I think that kind of showed

644
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: up in the.

645
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and you know, we'll see who ultimately hits

646
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: the market. George Pickens, Alec Pearce. I'm kind of out

647
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: on Mike Evans. I think he's too old. I think

648
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: you go too far the other way. But you know,

649
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: even if it's a guy like aj Brown in a trade, Yeah,

650
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: if they move on from Diggs, I believe mac Hollins

651
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: is our only wide receiver who's not on a rookie contract.

652
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's well, I mean yeah, but like Pop

653
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: and Booty are going into year four, it's.

654
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: I guess, but like getting somebody who's been more of

655
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: a veteran at that high level instead of putting another

656
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: rookie into that mix.

657
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel less strongly about it.

658
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: If they end up with with Conception Own or Boston

659
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: or one of these guys, Like, I could see how

660
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: that works, but I kind of outside of that right

661
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: tackle because the developmental players later in the draft. I

662
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: kind of want to see him get veteran additions on offense.

663
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: So a wide receiver. This was my take, and maybe

664
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: we're we also are kind of saying the same things

665
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: again here.

666
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: What were we talking about right before that? There's something

667
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to look up.

668
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh, the offensive lineman that retired's flanking on I that

669
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: that has happened so many times in our time cover.

670
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: This was weird because they signed him.

671
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember which one it is.

672
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: They signed him, and we were all like, oh, that's

673
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: a you know, he's a camp body, hasn't really he

674
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: hadn't played in like two years, wes Schweitzer, Weswitz. And

675
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: then we get out in the spring and he's the

676
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: starting left guard and we're like, oh, all right, I

677
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: guess it's his job to lose. And then he retired

678
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: the day after mini camp.

679
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was weird that that's what I didn't

681
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: a big nck climber too.

682
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: Ain't another veteran body at guard like I just want

683
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: somebody that plug ing play left guard. Let's get everybody

684
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: kind of situated on that line. Let's get Jared Wilson

685
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: back to repping at center, and I think that's his

686
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: best long term future, but you know, lasting on the line.

687
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: Then we'll go to the wide receivers. When I watched

688
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: their tape and I think this is you know, I

689
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: don't have to be an expert or anything to not

690
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: rocket science, but when you looked at Jared Wilson and

691
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: Will Campbell next to each other, it was just not

692
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: a lot of mass over there on that side of

693
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: the line, Like it's too kind of you know, Wilson's

694
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: kind of built more like a center, Campbell's built a

695
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: little bit more like a guard. They're both kind of

696
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: narrow in terms of their body types. So there just

697
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of power and not a lot of

698
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: people moving strength over on that side. I think Campbell

699
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: would be a lot better off if he was next

700
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: to somebody that that could move some bodies, Like it

701
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need to be a three hundred and forty

702
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: pound guard like Mike Onwenu, but just someone that has

703
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: some play strength to him, some size to him maybe

704
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: a bit a little bit of a bigger guard. And

705
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: I think in a lot of ways, even though I

706
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: would like to keep this player as a super sub, like,

707
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 2: it's kind of why Ben Brown worked a little bit

708
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: better at times in that spot because he's just bigger,

709
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Like He's just literally bigger, like the measurables are just bigger.

710
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: And I think that you did see that, you know,

711
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: team's caving in that side of the line. Teams bowl

712
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: rushing that side of the line consistently the games that

713
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: they would run over there, There's a lot of power

714
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: that they would bring to the table on those and

715
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: it just seemed like they were just trying to overwhelm

716
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: to young players with sheer power. And I would like

717
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: to try to break that up a little bit and

718
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: also help Campbell out a little bit by putting a

719
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: wider body there next to him on the wide receivers.

720
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: So I'm just talking strictly football, and this kind of

721
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: goes back to my beginning take. I'm seeing a lot

722
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: of Stefan Diggs isn't worth it for twenty six million

723
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: dollar cap hit. I'm not talking about the guaranteed money

724
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: and how the contract is structured and Woody or wouldn't

725
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: he play for that deal? And what I'm talking about

726
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: all that just strictly the cap pit. If you think

727
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is still a contributing football player, a good

728
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: football player, his twenty six million dollar cap it should

729
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: not be a conversation. I'm sorry, this is a team

730
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: that has forty one million dollars in cap space.

731
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Well, doesn't he also have like no guaranteed money?

732
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: He has like a little bit of guaranteed money this

733
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: year and none going.

734
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna want more guaranteed money. Like you still

735
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: need to rework his deal.

736
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: It Maybe I don't know, Like I don't know like

737
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: what he's going to get if he likes the situation,

738
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: what's really going to be available to him. He's under

739
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: contract with the Patriots, which gives the Patriots a lot

740
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: of leverage and a lot of control in this situation.

741
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: My only point really is just you know, getting down

742
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: to brass tacks and not the minutia stuff of it.

743
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: If you think that he's still a contributing player and

744
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 2: is still a thousand yard receiver like we saw last year,

745
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: then I don't I don't know why we're getting so

746
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: caught up in the twenty six million dollar capet. I

747
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: don't know why that's such a actor in this equation.

748
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about anything going on off the field,

749
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: so just strictly football wise, if it was up to me,

750
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: I am keeping Steffan Diggs and I am pairing Stefan

751
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Diggs with an upgraded outside receiver, you know, somebody that

752
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: can really uh win one on ones on the outside,

753
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: tilt coverage to the outside. You know, we talked so

754
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: much about coverage dictating receivers. Diggs became that this year

755
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. But then that was kind of it,

756
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: like once they took away Digs right there.

757
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: Passing, he commanded the double, but he couldn't beat the double, and.

758
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Then nobody else really won right in other areas. And

759
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying ever, like you know, on occasion Kisehon

760
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: Booty did against Houston.

761
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: Certain well to hear the MATC guy, did you see

762
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: the metrics of Pop Douglas in the Super Bowl.

763
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: He was separating a lot in that game. They couldn't

764
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: get him the ball, and that goes back to point

765
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: number one about the offensive line. But I think the

766
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: biggest thing to me, uh is thinking a little bit

767
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: about skill sets and what pair together and all that

768
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I watch both the first round guys

769
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: that might be in the Patriots range. I really liked

770
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: your guy Casey conceptsi on and you would now does

771
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: he make sense with with Diggs? You know not he

772
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: makes sense on the.

773
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 8: Now.

774
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston, on the other hand, makes a lot more

775
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: sense if they're trying to pair somebody on the outside.

776
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: I would also say, like Alec Pierce fits that mold

777
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: if he hits free agency. You know, Aj Brown certainly

778
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: does in a trade. But looking for that guy that

779
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: when he's one on one on the outside wins. Maybe

780
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: he gets the safety you know, to hedge over the

781
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: top of that side of the field. Maybe just thinking

782
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: about it logistically, like how much that could open up

783
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: space in the middle of the field for Stefan Diggs.

784
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: Like now, if Diggs is not seeing all this cut

785
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: or robber coverage and the safety's coming down and taking

786
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: away all those option routes and things like that, and

787
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: the brackets that he saw in the playoffs, if all

788
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: that stuff goes away because you have Alan Pearce or

789
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: Aj Brown on the outside, that they can't just one

790
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: on one cover the tire game. That now changes the deck, right,

791
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Like we're shuffled the deck. So I'm far more interested

792
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: in keeping digs. If you want to put like a

793
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: number to it, I know people like doing that, Like

794
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: I would really kind of make Stefan Diggs like, you're

795
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: inside wide receiver two, you're a chain mover, You're a

796
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: possession receiver on the inside that we know flourishes in

797
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: an offense like this, and then go out there and

798
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: get an upgraded outside receiver. No disrespect meant to Kayshawn

799
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Boody or Matt Collins. I just think you might be

800
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 2: able to do a little bit better. And that doesn't

801
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: mean that those guys don't have roles or don't have

802
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: spots on the team. It just might not be the

803
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: number one and number two wide receivers in terms of

804
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: snaps and targets and all that kind of stuff outside

805
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: of digs. So that's my take on receivers. I mentioned

806
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: a couple of names. We can talk a little bit

807
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: more about Boston since he's a draft guy and people

808
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: might not be as familiar with him as some of

809
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: the guys that are already in the league. But I'm

810
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: looking at it a little bit from like a skill

811
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: set standpoint too. I don't want to be redundant. I

812
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: also so I want to have like an outside guy.

813
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: This piece off. It's not about collecting talent, it's about

814
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: building a team.

815
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I would do at receiver if

816
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: I had my Now, whatever happens with Diggs happens with Diggs,

817
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: and they have to move on from Diggs, then that's

818
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: a different story. But just strictly talking football, I would

819
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: much rather see them hold on to Diggs and pair

820
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: him with somebody that's complimentary to him, and maybe that

821
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 2: really opens up your passing game now beyond just Drake

822
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: May being awesome. Yeah, what do you like about Denzel Boston?

823
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: Are you Denzel Boston guy? Are you in?

824
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 9: I am?

825
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: I'm curious how he's gonna test.

826
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when you get those big outside guys,

827
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: He's obviously not He's not gonna run a four to three,

828
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: but you want to make sure he has the speed

829
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: to command it. But no, he's a really good fifty

830
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: to fifty ball guy. I think he can separate. You know,

831
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: he's not conception owned, but for a guy with that build,

832
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: he can separate love him in the run game all

833
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: of that. He's just that prototypical X and they've been

834
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: searching for that guy for a long time. We talked

835
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: about this off the air the other day, and I

836
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting conversation, Like if you look at

837
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: it traditionally, Casey conception shewn as the Josh mctaniels receiver.

838
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: He is built in a lab to play for Josh

839
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: mctaniels and checks every box.

840
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: Right.

841
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Denzel Boston is the guy that they always kind of

842
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: did without, Yeah, and they never really went and got

843
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: that big body outside guy, you know, made a significant

844
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: investment that player they brought it, you know, the sacrificial X.

845
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: We've talked about the guys they brought through because it

846
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: was never a big role in the offense. But Drake

847
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: may changes, like's throwing to these big body jumpall guys like, right,

848
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: and he's maybe not as committed to throwing to some

849
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: of these smaller guys. We've talked about this with Pop Douglas, right,

850
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: So we talked a lot about last year. Josh McDaniels

851
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: does agree he has his core concepts, but he does

852
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: a great job of tailoring what he does to the quarterback.

853
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: This is maybe the biggest conflict of that we've seen.

854
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: And so what wins out the guy that Josh mcdatt

855
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: is traditionally Josh McDaniels prototype, and in theory there is

856
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: room for both. But you're on the board of thirty one.

857
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: You can only pick one of them, and I, for

858
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: what it's with, I don't think I love the choice either.

859
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: There's a chance they're both gone by thirty one, certainly

860
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: one of them. But you know, does Josh McDaniels want

861
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: his speeds, his you know, shifty traditional slot guy or

862
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: is he gonna go out and get Drake made, the

863
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: big body outside guy and make it work with him.

864
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: So that'll kind of be the debate, the back and forth,

865
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: the pushing the poll. I like Boston, I just when

866
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: I initially looked at it, it's more like, Okay, well

867
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: that's not a Josh McDaniels receiver, right casey conception on

868
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: is But we're in a new era and and maybe he.

869
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: Is, like I think he's a I don't know.

870
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Is is Ted McMillan a lazy comp He's not quite

871
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: as big as tet.

872
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: He's not He's not as athletic as tet righted was

873
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: so smooth and an added cuts, like he really runs

874
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: routes with a just a fluidity that's that's rare for

875
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: that size. I think that Denzel Boston, what I like

876
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: about him is that I can see a translatable role

877
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: kind of like how they've used Matt Collins in this

878
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: offense where it's outside it's some like condensed tight split

879
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: reps where he's technically you know, the outside receiver to

880
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: that side of the formation, but they're in tight to

881
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: the to the formation, so he's inside the numbers. So

882
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a slot rep.

883
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 10: Uh.

884
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: He can block a little bit in the run game,

885
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: which I think, you know, we'll get to when we

886
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: start talking about tight ends. I think that's something that

887
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: needs to be talked about more. But the most important

888
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: thing is how he wins the ball down the field.

889
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes when people hear that, they hear

890
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty ball and they panic, They're like, not

891
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: Nikhil hay Right.

892
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, like, ironically, the real comp I have for Boston,

893
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't because it's going to freak Patriots fans out,

894
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: but think Miami, Yeah, it's kind of like DeVante Parker,

895
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: a little bit like.

896
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: The version of the I would like to see how

897
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: he runs and all that, because I'm not I think

898
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: he has pretty good acceleration off the line. I don't

899
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: think he pulls away down the field, which is probably

900
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: going to hurt that forty.

901
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: But does he come up you know, hits in trouble

902
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: with press, which is kind of weird.

903
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

904
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: So that was the one thing that I would I

905
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: would point at in terms of issues. The other thing

906
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: I would just say about Boston that I really like

907
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: is just he, like I said, fifty to fifty balls

908
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: comes out and people freak out, like we don't want

909
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: another Nikhil Harriet.

910
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: I'd rather he just why does everything have to be contested?

911
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 10: Now?

912
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: He doesn't actually not everything with him is actually contested, right.

913
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: He only had thirteen contested targets last year the players

914
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: that lead the class and those stats are like thirty

915
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: plus contested targets. So he doesn't actually get targeted at

916
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: a high volume at on contested balls. And he's got

917
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: great hands and body control to win the ball down

918
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: the field and toward his body to make catch radius,

919
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: huge catch radius, very good in the red zone. These

920
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: are all things that when you have a quarterback like

921
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: Drake May who can kind of just put the ball

922
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: in a spot for the receiver to go get it,

923
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: and he has that kind of arm talent and that

924
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: kind of aggressiveness to just sort of lay it out

925
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: there for somebody. Denzel Boston is the type of guy

926
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: that comes down with it basically like ten out of

927
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: thirteen times last year, so like eighty five percent of

928
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: the time, which is the type of receiver that he is.

929
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: I mentioned, you know, the blocking stuff. Now, the one

930
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: thing that I would say on film that you just

931
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: mentioned was the press. Now I look at the press

932
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: stuff that he did struggle with as adding to his

933
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: repertoire of releases. I think it's a line of scrimmage issue,

934
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: not necessarily a speed issue, right. I just don't think

935
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: that he has a lot of movement laterally to get

936
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 2: guys off of him. I press.

937
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: It's like when you're six four to two ten in college,

938
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: you should just kind of be bull boring guys.

939
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that. I think that would be the

940
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: one little concern. But I look at the way that

941
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: teams use receivers nowadays, and especially with all the condensed

942
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: formations that teams are utilizing now in the zone run

943
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: game and the boots and all this kind of stuff.

944
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: A lot of the exposure to just like outside receiver

945
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: press kind of gets mitigated by all that type of stuff,

946
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: So like, how much can you kind of protect Boston

947
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: even from that by alignment by formation, like where he's

948
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: going to play that sort of thing. Like I don't

949
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: look at Matt Collins as like a dynamic press winner,

950
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that he's necessarily great at that,

951
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: but he is good at kind of getting up the sideline,

952
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: finding space and sort of making himself available, which I

953
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: think is similar to Boston. So I just look at

954
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston as like a souped up version of Matt Collins.

955
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: And given how successful Drake May was throwing to Mac

956
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: Collins this year, you can kind of see a vision

957
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: of how that could really work out for the Patriots

958
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: long run. You know, we mentioned Alex Pearce. I know,

959
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: he's kind of like the darling right now. I don't

960
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: want people to be disappointed if Alec Pierce gets tagged

961
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: gets extended into you, Like, I just am not ready

962
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: to say Alec pears is going to hit the open market.

963
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: The rest of the receivers in free agency are not great, Bob,

964
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: especially for the type of guy that we're talking about. Yeah,

965
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't necessarily look there. Where are you on

966
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: George Pickens?

967
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I still don't trust he runs so

968
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: hot in gold.

969
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think if for somebody that's that inconsistent,

970
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: you don't need to pay that kind of money. When

971
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: he's on, he's on, he's fantastic, but he just isn't

972
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: consistently that guy. And I, you know, those players always

973
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: worry me. To me, he's like a really high in

974
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: number two, I don't think he's number one. You put

975
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: him next to guy like Seedee Lamb, he's great. I

976
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: don't know about him being the guy.

977
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: I worry about his his his effort, his compete level.

978
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Just doesn't feel like a very able guy.

979
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

980
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: For all the things that you could probably say negatively

981
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: in terms of Stefan Diggs, no one ever questions Stefon

982
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Diggs effort. That's never an issue with him. You know,

983
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: he has his wards, but that's never a problem with him.

984
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: So that's it's their different type of risk that in

985
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: this regard George Pickens flat out takes plays off like that.

986
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: That's the type of guy that we've seen him be

987
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: both in Pittsburgh and Dallas. That that would worry me

988
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: a lot, especially if you're gonna pay him the kind

989
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: of money that he's probably gonna get paid. He's gonna

990
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: have games where he goes off like he did in Dallas. Yeah, Pittsburgh,

991
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna have these huge one hundred and fifty

992
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: plus yard games, multiple touchdowns, and you're gonna be like, Wow,

993
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: that guy's the best player on the field, and he's

994
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: gonna have other games where he just flat out quit right,

995
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: And I just don't know if that's really their type

996
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: of guy. Uh So, that's wide receiver, that's offensive line.

997
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: So any of these guys, you think there's maybe any

998
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: anything to diamond in the rough Juwan Jennings, Romeo Dobbs.

999
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: I thought about Romeo Dobbs. I like Romeo Dobbs, physical guy,

1000
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: downfield player, can be like a big slot too at

1001
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: times if you want him to do that sort of thing.

1002
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: I like Romeo Dobbs. Now, isn't that just kind of

1003
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: kish On Booty and Matt Collins.

1004
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's like some people wonder like if you

1005
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: get him out of Green Bay where they very much

1006
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: just kind of spread the ball around as they're more

1007
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: on tap potential there. But I'm with you, those are

1008
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: just the two names I've for thrown out. I think

1009
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: the same thing with Jawan Jennings.

1010
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about Romeo Dobbs as I

1011
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: do about Holland's and Booty. Nice player, yeah, probably not

1012
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: a true game changer or difference maker if they didn't

1013
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: have those two guys under contract, Like if Booty was

1014
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: in his free agent ear and they were resigned, Booty,

1015
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: do you know Dobbs would be somebody that I have

1016
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: on my list. Not saying I would be like a

1017
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: hard pass. I just it's kind of redundant to this

1018
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: skill set in the level of talent as those two

1019
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: other guys. Edge rusher, that's the next big one. These

1020
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: are the big three right offensive line wide receiver, edge

1021
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: rusher with edge rusher, I think this is the one

1022
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: position I feel like Alex in this market, and I'm

1023
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: adding veteran market draft like, I would kind of let

1024
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: this one come to you. There is so much edge

1025
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: rusher talent available through the draft and free agency and

1026
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: possibly via trade as well. Crosby's truly available via trade. Like,

1027
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: there's there's a ton of edge rushers that that I

1028
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: think are gonna be good players, whether they're young or

1029
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: on second contracts or rookies or whatever. I would not

1030
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: go out there and and feel like they need to

1031
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 2: be super aggressive with this one. I'd be more aggressive

1032
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: at wide receiver and offensive line because I think there's

1033
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: a finite amount of resources at those positions for exactly

1034
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: what you're looking for. But I could rattle off, you know,

1035
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: whether it's free agency or draft, you could probably rattle

1036
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: off ten names in both categories of guys that kind

1037
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: of fit their mold. Do what they want these guys

1038
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: to do. You know, the Crosby thing is the big one, right,

1039
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, do you make that move or not? But

1040
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: like Boie Mafi, Deafitie Oway, Jeremond Jones, Arnold de Bique, Kingsley,

1041
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: iMac Bari, I mean there's a million of these guys

1042
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: in free agency even too, that I think are kind

1043
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: of like hitting their second contract peaks. And then you

1044
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: get into the draft and it's one of the deepest

1045
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: positions in the draft as well.

1046
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: Were you out Trey Henderson.

1047
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm kind of out on Trey Hendrickson. The age worries me.

1048
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: Max Crosby is a fun idea. That being said, just

1049
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 2: to play Devil's advocate on that for a second, because

1050
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: we are both pretty pro Max Crosby. I feel like

1051
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: you just watch them basically lose the Super Bowl and

1052
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: almost lose throughut the playoff because they couldn't score, and

1053
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: so then you're gonna sink your number one resource, your

1054
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: thirty first overall pick plus drafts, you know, cap space

1055
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: into a defensive player.

1056
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the wouldn't Hendrickson be a better

1057
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: option than Crosby because you don't have to go.

1058
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: But he's older, he's not as good. He's like thirty

1059
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: two years old.

1060
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: It's thirty one.

1061
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I'm not as caught up

1062
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: in that, Like I'd probably rather go after one of

1063
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: these second contract free agents instead, like a Mafi someone

1064
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: like that. It just that's the only hang up that

1065
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: I have with the Max Crosby thing is that they

1066
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: couldn't score any points in the playoffs and then your

1067
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: big investment in the offseason.

1068
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: But the other problem was and very able talked about

1069
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: this after the Super Bowl, and this is kind of

1070
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: something I'm big on. Bigger picture. Yeah, they couldn't score

1071
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: a lot of points. There's also you know, if they

1072
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: forced one turnover in some of those games, how much does.

1073
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: It open things up? And they were not.

1074
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: Defensively, they were very good preventative defense. They stopped all year,

1075
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: through the playoffs, even into the Super Bowl. They stopped

1076
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: offenses from making plays. And so you might hear that

1077
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: and think like, okay, great, so why do they need help.

1078
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: There's another level to it, which is the defense making

1079
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: plays themselves. And that's what Vrabel was addressing after the

1080
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and he said, yeah, we didn't get the

1081
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: turnover needed or whatever. You know, they were towards the

1082
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: bottom league and turnovers, their sacks kind of came in bunches.

1083
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: They weren't consistent. The next level of the defense is

1084
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: a defense that makes plays. It's on ball production. And

1085
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: to your point about the offense, yes, I also think

1086
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: there's something to be said or just take that defense

1087
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: the next level and make it the best unit in

1088
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, because you could say, you could say

1089
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots didn't win the Superow because they couldn't score points.

1090
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 3: Seattle didn't exactly win that Super.

1091
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Bowl because their offense was lighting it up either, it's

1092
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: because their defense wasn't just preventative. Their defense made a

1093
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: ton of plays in that game. And when you look

1094
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: at the Patriots best defensive players, they're good players, they're

1095
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: really good players, but a lot of them are preventative.

1096
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: And you know, whether we're talking about guys at the

1097
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: top of the depth chart where they're talking about some

1098
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: of these rotational players for agency draft, something I want

1099
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: to see them do on defense because they're going to

1100
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: need to add on defense. Take Max Crosby out of it,

1101
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: like they are going to be additions on defense this offseason.

1102
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: I want to see them.

1103
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Target players specifically that are playmakers to get to the football,

1104
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: forced fumbles, interceptions, things like that, because that's the angle

1105
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: I think they were missing.

1106
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: So to bring it back to Crosby, Crosby.

1107
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Turnament the best player in the league at that He turns.

1108
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: You into more of a much more of a playmaking defense,

1109
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: especially when you have Christian Zohlz and Carlton Davis and

1110
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: you're going to force quarterbacks to throw really quick, clean

1111
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: things like that. I put more of a premium on

1112
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: that than I think most people. I want to see

1113
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: them become more of a playmaking defense.

1114
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and that's definitely the pro Crosby argument

1115
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: is that I think, one, he might be the best

1116
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: player that you can acquire in the offseason, like assuming

1117
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: that a guy like AJ Brown or something like that

1118
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: is off the.

1119
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 3: Table, probably better player than J Brown too, he might

1120
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 3: just be the.

1121
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: Best football player period that you could acquire. And then

1122
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: the second part is is that it really does feel

1123
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: like that's the finishing piece to the defense if you

1124
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: get a double digit sack guy, a guy that creates

1125
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: as much havoc on a play to play basis as

1126
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: Max Crosby does. One of my favorite things about Max

1127
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: Crosby is how good he is against the run. This

1128
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: is not just a pass rusher like this guy consistently

1129
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: leads the league in like run stop win rate, all

1130
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: the run metrics, tackles for loss, like all the high

1131
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: level run metrics. He's near the top or at the

1132
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: top of every single one of those lists. And by

1133
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: the way, he's like a top ten or fifteen pass

1134
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: rusher at the position too, So he's a two way

1135
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: force and that there's absolutely a lot of kind of

1136
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: like finishing touch, you know, final piece like that. It

1137
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: does feel like he would be that For the defense.

1138
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: I just wonder, like I said, you know, just to

1139
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: play Devil's advocate. The offensive, I think is where you

1140
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: probably need the most talent upgrade. I think if you

1141
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: went into next year with a similar defense on paper

1142
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: as the one that played in the Super Bowl, you

1143
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: still feel pretty good about that side of the ball. Offensively,

1144
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: we saw a lot more warts in the playoff run

1145
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: than we saw defensively. And then I would also just

1146
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: say with you know, Crosby, like that's kind of your

1147
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: big investment, Like that's that's gonna be a chunkier cap

1148
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: space if you want to look at it that way,

1149
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: that's going to probably be your first round pick. Like

1150
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: that's your move in this offseason?

1151
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: Is that?

1152
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: And in an offseason where I just rattled off like

1153
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: ten guys that are available, whether it's through the draft

1154
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: of free agency, I do think that there's one lesson

1155
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: and I know every you always do this with every

1156
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl winner. With the Eagles, it was interior defensive line, right,

1157
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: you got to get Milton Williams's and Jalen Carter's and

1158
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Jordan Davis's and win in the middle of the pocket.

1159
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: This year with Seattle, it's pass rush depth. Like Seattle

1160
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: has just had waves of defensive line depth, like seven

1161
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: or eight guys that could get after the quarterback. So

1162
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: do you try to if it's not Crosbie, let's say

1163
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: they don't go that direction, do you try to create

1164
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 2: that in the aggregate by signing like two or three

1165
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: really good you know, solid edge rushers that then combine

1166
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 2: to have like now you have like six seven deep

1167
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: of pass rushers on third down and you just come

1168
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: at people with waves, you know, like Seattle does. I

1169
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: think you could win either way, Like I think either

1170
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: way is a viable Yeah.

1171
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: I just think again, adding to the defense isn't ignoring

1172
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: the offense. You're gonna create short fields, You're gonna take

1173
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: pressure off off the quarterback.

1174
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: Things like that.

1175
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right?

1176
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: Also, Canada losing three to two with seven minutes to go.

1177
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't you know I actually kind of

1178
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 2: want them to win, like I want to see you

1179
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: of course.

1180
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1181
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's what we all were waiting for

1182
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: all Olympics. Uh, safety, I think the fascinating part about

1183
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: safety is how people feel about Jalen Hawkins and Craig

1184
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: Woodson as a duo. I think those guys. Is it

1185
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: fair to say those guys overperformed last year because I

1186
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: feel like they did.

1187
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 3: Woodson's a rookie. This might just be who Woodson is, Yeah,

1188
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: but I don't know with him fair enough.

1189
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: I guess more. What I'm saying getting at is just

1190
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: like there were some concerns when they have moved on

1191
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: from Duggar and Jabrill Peppers. There was some concerns about

1192
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: that move. There was some second guessing about that at

1193
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: the time, and for their scheme and their defense, they

1194
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: were they were dead on about it. They they made

1195
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: the right choices with those players. Jalen Hawkins, I'm interested

1196
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: in resigning I think safety. You mentioned the third safety

1197
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: and we were kind of getting into the linebacker safety thing.

1198
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: To me the way that I would like to see

1199
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: them go moving forward, and this is kind of what

1200
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Seattle has also perfected. So maybe a little bit of

1201
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl blueprint is playing more dime defense on

1202
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: passing situations where you're really using like a hybrid safety

1203
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: as that extra guy instead of a coverage linebacker. It's

1204
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: kind of we're splitting hairs. They're both kind of getting

1205
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: to the same thing, but they didn't play as much dime.

1206
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: They kind of played it a little bit more with

1207
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: del Pettis in the playoffs. But they could kind of

1208
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: get one of those, you know, high level dimebacker type

1209
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: of players that would allow them to just play three

1210
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: safeties more often and now you have your tight end guy,

1211
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: you have your rangy coverage player, but you're just playing

1212
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: him on third down and passing situations instead of all

1213
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: the time. The safeties. In free agency, Kobe Bryant is

1214
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 2: a free agent from Seattle, and they play a lot

1215
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: of the same like early down quarters and stuff like that.

1216
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: I could definitely see if Jalen Hawkins goes elsewhere like

1217
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant would probably be a one for one replacement there.

1218
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: That would be pretty easy transition. I would say the

1219
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: same thing about Gilman from the Chargers and Blank and

1220
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 2: Ship from the Eagles. I think those guys all kind

1221
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: of play the same brand of safety that Jalen Hawkins does,

1222
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: maybe better, but same players.

1223
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: I would just this is one where I'd go to

1224
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: the draft. You already got a lot of big money players.

1225
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: On defense, It's a really really good safety draft. You know,

1226
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: there's options and maybe if Hawkins leaves, it's one and one. Right,

1227
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: you draft that that deep safety. You know, Kevin Byard's

1228
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: out there. That's the name we're gonna hear tied to

1229
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: them quite a bit. Yeah, because the Titans connection, right,

1230
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a It's a pretty good safety

1231
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: f ratency class.

1232
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: I love some of the safeties in this draft though.

1233
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so talking about the draft, Yeah, I just I'm

1234
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: only through the first round, guy, So bear with me.

1235
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: Did you I'm guessing no? Did you watch Caleb Downs?

1236
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 7: No?

1237
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I know he's so good.

1238
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: I know he's good. There you go. There's my take.

1239
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: The two safeties that I think are interesting here, and

1240
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: really the the types of players that they are makes

1241
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: it even more interesting because they're very different types of players.

1242
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: Uh so big Neil Warren from Toledo is it a Thinnemon?

1243
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: Dynamon Diynamon from Oregon? Didn't? Dylan Dynamon? Two very very

1244
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: different types of players. And this is a philosophical thing

1245
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: that I think is really fascinating this offseason. The one

1246
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: I see the vision with McNeil Warren. Is he nick

1247
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: Ammon Warrey? Probably not, but it's similar. Right, He's gonna

1248
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: be sort of like a hybrid slot box safety. Uh,

1249
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: that's gonna be able to do a lot of the

1250
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: nickel things that like you want to do in big

1251
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: nickel packages, whether that's three safety nickel or a three

1252
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: safety dime. And he's got that kind of flexibility. He's

1253
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: awesome in the run game. He's awesome at taking on blocks.

1254
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: He basically beats blocks like a linebacker would. He's got length,

1255
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: he's got size. I see it. And I missed on

1256
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: him and worry because they played him so much in

1257
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: the deep part of the field in college, and I

1258
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: was like, he's just not going to live there, Like

1259
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: that's just not going to be a strange His Seattle

1260
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: turned him into Kyle Hamilton and he's a stud, right,

1261
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: and they were They nailed it. I could see the

1262
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: similar vision, uh with with the Toledo kid. But the

1263
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: problem is the Patriots just moved on from players like

1264
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: that that. They just moved on from Kyle Duggart and

1265
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers because they didn't fit their system for what

1266
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: they asked for in the safeties. Dynaman from Oregon is

1267
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: a Patriot safety. Like that's a guy that can play

1268
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: over the top, can play split safety zone page Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1269
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: can play split safety zone, can play some match, can

1270
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: play some man to man, can cover over the slot

1271
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: like that that's what they look for now, can blitz

1272
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: a little bit off the end of the line of scrimmage,

1273
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: and their simulated pressure pressures, all the things that they

1274
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: just asked Jalen Hawkins and Craig Woodson to do all playoffs.

1275
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Dynaman does them all at a high level. So I

1276
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 2: like both players in a vacuum. But when we start

1277
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: talking about fits, like are they really going to get

1278
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: back into that hybrid box safety thing or is that

1279
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: just gone for good? And I think that that kind

1280
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: of gets into your thing about the coverage linebacker, because

1281
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: now if we're not gonna if they're not going to

1282
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: acquire those box safeties, yeah, and they're not going to

1283
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: try to go to hybrid route like a nickam and

1284
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: Worry route. Now, you do maybe need a more athletic

1285
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: linebacker to play next to Robert Splane and Christian Ellis

1286
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: did a nice job, but could you be better?

1287
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: Get better opportunities? I think in this draft to get better.

1288
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that comes into play more if you

1289
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: are going to be more traditional in terms of your

1290
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: back end, where you're going to have two true safety

1291
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, kind of free safety types, deep safety types

1292
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: outside corner slot, corner line, you know what I mean.

1293
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: Like your back seven is very structured, very traditionally. If

1294
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna get kind of creative with it with these

1295
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: hybrids and start getting into more dime stuff and three

1296
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: safety stuff, then that's where a guy like the kid

1297
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: from Toledo could really be interesting. But I just that's

1298
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: not what they They went the total opposite direction last

1299
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: summer when they moved on from Duggar and Peppers.

1300
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: And that's like I like some of the day two safeties. Yeah,

1301
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: so you know, so thienem Men, they'd probably take a

1302
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: thirty one or it's a trade down. But yeah, aj

1303
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: Halsey from LSU. He's built bigger, like he's six foot

1304
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: two twenty, but he's a he's a coverage player and

1305
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: another guy tremendous, tremendous on ball production, is played in

1306
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: a lot of different schemes in his career. Really smart player,

1307
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: instinctive player. Kamari Ramsey from USC you know, another more

1308
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: of a true like split safety kind of guy. But

1309
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: I think there's and Patriots fans here a day two

1310
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: safety and oh boy, here we go again, right, But

1311
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: I think there's some real value there.

1312
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Okay, that'd be interesting to dive into because this is

1313
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: a great safety class and I really liked both those players.

1314
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: I just it's more about the vision of how they're

1315
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: going to use those players. And I think that that's,

1316
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: like I said at the top of the show, that's

1317
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: the most exciting part about this offseason to me is

1318
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: how I have like an idea of like what kind

1319
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: of players they're looking for in these different spots. And

1320
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: I think safety is a big one. Last one here,

1321
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: and then we're going to take a break and then

1322
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: we'll open the show up to the calls and emails

1323
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about tight end.

1324
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 8: You know.

1325
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: I think this is still something that has to be

1326
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: on the radar. You know, Hunter Henry's over the age

1327
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: of thirty, Austin Hooper is a free agent at thirty one.

1328
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: They don't really have anything else behind that. I think

1329
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: it's a decent free agency class. Depending on what is

1330
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: pretty good, well, it depends on what you're looking for,

1331
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that this is something that

1332
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: I may be going to care more about than others.

1333
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: But the big reason why the Patriots like two tight

1334
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: end package didn't really get off the ground like they

1335
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: maybe thought it would. They only played twelve personnel on

1336
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: nineteen percent of their snaps last year. It wasn't like

1337
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: a featured part of the offense. A big reason why

1338
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 2: is because they stunk running the ball out a twelve

1339
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: personnel couldn't run it out of twelve. They were twenty

1340
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: ninth in EPA and rush EPA out of twelve personnel,

1341
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: So they basically had no drop off in their rush

1342
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: efficiency from twelve to eleven. So why wouldn't you just

1343
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: put the extra receiver on the field and be faster

1344
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: and more dynamic in the passing game. So if they

1345
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: when you start to talk about tight ends and look

1346
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: at tight ends, like the blocking element I think is

1347
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: really important. No, it's huge, Like I just think it's

1348
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: hugely important. Like I think that if you want them

1349
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: to be a two tight end offense and you want

1350
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: them to play like the Rams or something like that,

1351
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: or if you want to go in that direction, which

1352
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: I think is a good direction to go in because

1353
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: you can marry, run and pass and then you get

1354
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 2: the play action going and all that good stuff. But

1355
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: if you don't have like a dynamic inline blocker, then

1356
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. Like you know, go to back to Seattle,

1357
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: like a J. Barner is a dude like that guy

1358
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: can block and catch the ball, and that gives them

1359
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: the flexibility to be able to do that kind of

1360
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: thing they were not good enough is their inline blocking.

1361
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: It was a big issue, and they couldn't run the

1362
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: ball out of twelve so you get the six to

1363
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: zero line stuff going. Is a is a sort of

1364
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: step that they had to take because they couldn't block

1365
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: out of twelve personnel. They played a lot of eleven

1366
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: and just kind of spread the field and ran the

1367
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: ball that way, and they played a lot of six

1368
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: to zero line because their twelve personnel package frankly just

1369
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: kind of stunk, like it just wasn't very efficient. So

1370
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: if they're going to be that offense, and we start

1371
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: to get into some of these free agent targets, like

1372
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: I love Kyle Pitts. I think he's super talented. He

1373
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: doesn't block for nothing, Like he's not going to block.

1374
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: He's not going to put his hand on the ground

1375
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: and block anybody. So what does that Where does that

1376
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: really give you an advantage? Because if you're putting twelve

1377
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: personnel on the field and every team can match your

1378
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: twelve personnel out of nickel because they know you can't

1379
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: run the ball effectively out of twelve because you don't

1380
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: have blockers to held up at tight end, right, then

1381
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 2: you're poor. Like then then you're just putting slower, less

1382
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: dynamic receivers on the field.

1383
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, And it's a big part of

1384
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's offense. And look, you're not just gonna find

1385
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, you know, it's it the well rounded tight

1386
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: ends are. If you can do both, you're just a

1387
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: better player. Right, So it's not that easy just be like, oh,

1388
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: go find somebody that can do both. But you know,

1389
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be upset if they signed Kyle Pitts. I

1390
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: think he has value in his own right. But just

1391
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: all things equal, if they get a guy that slightly

1392
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: less is a receiver not and I'm not talking blocking

1393
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: tight end, I'm not talking Lee Smith, right, yeah, yeah,

1394
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: but if they get a guy that's a little bit

1395
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: less as a receiver, but it's going to really contribute

1396
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: as a blocker, at least in the draft, has the

1397
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: upside to really contribute as a blocker, because most tight

1398
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: ends coming out of college can't block. Even the ones

1399
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: that profile is the ones that can't can't. Yeah, they

1400
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: got to be coached into it. I would rather than

1401
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: get the guy that's a little bit less of a receiver,

1402
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: but he's going to contribute in the run game, so

1403
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, for all again, I wouldn't be upset if

1404
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: they signed Kyle Pitts, but I don't know if the

1405
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: Eagles are gonna let.

1406
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: Dallas Goddard get away.

1407
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: But like a guy like Dallas Goddard, a guy like

1408
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler, a guy like Kate Aughten who's going to

1409
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: be able to do that well rounded thing, or you know,

1410
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: we can start doing names in the draft. I really

1411
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: like Oscar delp because I think he's one of those players. Yeah,

1412
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: that's more what I'm looking for, you know, if i'm

1413
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: them at tight end than just the pure receiver.

1414
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it's all goes back to matchups in

1415
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 2: personnel matching and how are you going to find advantages

1416
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, if you can run at nickel and then

1417
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: you can throw at base, like, that's when you become

1418
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: really difficult to to fed. If everybody can just stay

1419
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: in nickel against you because you can't run at nickel. Well,

1420
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: now you have, tight ends are just organically slower receivers,

1421
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: right Like, they're just organically less dynamic, slower receivers for

1422
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: the most part. Unless you have like a you know,

1423
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: all time great tight end, you know, unless you go

1424
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: out and trade for like Trey McBride or something like that,

1425
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get. I like Likely. I think

1426
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely is a little bit more of a blocker

1427
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: than like Kyle Pitts's. He's not a great he's not gronk,

1428
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: he's not a great blocker. But I think he's a

1429
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: good enough blocker and certainly a good downfield receiver if

1430
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: you were looking for like that HVAC sort of thing

1431
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: like Chicka Konquo's and a fun player. I just don't

1432
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: think that he's an inline blocker at a high level

1433
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: that's going to help you in this regard. Daniel Bellinger

1434
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: from The Giants is an interesting name. Yeah, I had

1435
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: to watch probably too much Giants this past season, and

1436
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: he always kind of stood out to me, big dude,

1437
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: can catch the ball, can block a little bit.

1438
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: Foster Moreau was.

1439
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: With McDaniels in Vegas. I you know, he's a little

1440
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: bit more of a bigger inline blocker. Those aren't guys

1441
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: that are going to like change the equation from a

1442
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: pass game standpoint. They're not difference making receivers, but they

1443
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: might be able to get you some more opportunities to

1444
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: be able to run the football against favorable looks, which

1445
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: is ultimately what you want to be able to do

1446
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: out of these packages. So that was the biggest thing

1447
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: that was holding back their tight end room this past season.

1448
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: They weren't very good in line blockers. Hunter Henry's a

1449
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: really solid NFL receiver, he's not a great blocker. And

1450
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: Hooper took a step back, I would say, with his

1451
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: inline blocking this past season, and it kind of just

1452
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: made their twelve personnel useless. And I mean like and

1453
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about twenty one. Like,

1454
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: their full back groupings weren't good at well.

1455
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: They needed they needed a real full back and you

1456
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: know they'll get Broc Lampy back from injury this year but.

1457
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry's not like a big play threat. He's a

1458
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 3: chain mover.

1459
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get by with your ends a chain mover,

1460
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: especial if they're gonna add somebody like a Denzel Boston

1461
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: or an AJ Brown, Like that's a big play threat.

1462
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: Especially you also keep Diggs. Yeah, like the tight end

1463
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: just needs to move the chains and block. That's Josh

1464
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: McDaniels tight end.

1465
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah's awesome. Probably not getting in. They wont a few

1466
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: too many. This is a weird game.

1467
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: I've been playing with myself and when people call it

1468
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: on the on the sports up, how many so somebody

1469
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: called in about I think it was Cayden Proctor right like, oh,

1470
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 1: you know they should is there any chance Kyden Proctor?

1471
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: Blah blahlah, And I think they won. I try to

1472
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 3: do the mathemad.

1473
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: I think they won five or six too many games

1474
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: to draft Cayden Proctor, Like how many? How many games?

1475
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: How many games? Too many did they win?

1476
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 3: To get Kenyan Sadek.

1477
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 2: I think he probably goes right inside the top twenty

1478
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: so however many games that is because I think that

1479
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: he's so at least four probably he's uber talented. Yeah,

1480
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: he can do a little bit of everything. He's a

1481
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: dynamic seam stretch you know, steam runner, seam stretcher, is

1482
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: it advanced. Metrics aren't great, you know his yards per

1483
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: route run.

1484
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: The Oregon players, the metrics are never great.

1485
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: His production last year was not on the level of

1486
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: like a Warren or a Coulson Loveland or.

1487
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: Somebody like so much younger than Warren.

1488
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: But he's a really he's a really dynamic mover and

1489
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: if he develops and use him correctly, he's going to

1490
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: be one of the better tight ends in the league. Yeah,

1491
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 2: he's a good player. Don't think they're going to get

1492
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: him either. But it's a it's a weird tight end

1493
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: class because it's not there's only one kind of guy

1494
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: at the top, and that's Sadik and then you kind

1495
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: of go like thirty or forty picks before the next one.

1496
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: But then there's a huge a csture. Guys, there's a

1497
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 2: lot of depth.

1498
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 4: I like this.

1499
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: It's different than the last couple of years. We were

1500
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: talking about this once then in the year about it,

1501
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: you saying and not being as good of a tight

1502
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: end class. It's not as good at the top. Yeah, boy,

1503
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: there's some players when you start digging into it.

1504
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you get to like from like seventy five

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: to one point fifty, there's going to be a handful

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: of tight ends that are going to go on that

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: range that are gonna go.

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: There's also some great tight end names.

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oscar Delp's a good one, Oscar Dell, Michael Trigg, Tanner,

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01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: coozial Uh and eight boor Kreiker. I think it is

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: John Michael gillenborg Riley, Noah Kowski.

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Speaker 3: Like these are tight end names.

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Speaker 1: R J.

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Speaker 3: Maryland, what do you think of Stowers?

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01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: Big dude?

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 3: I like Stowers. He's got that you know.

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm a weakness for the guys I have a weakness

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: with the guys who are former quarterbacks. Yeah, because I

1519
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: love the way they see the game former quarterback. I

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01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: really like him as a player. But to go back

1521
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: to my whole thing about the blocking, really not much

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: of a blocker. So somebody I like more, I would

1523
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: say as a neutral prospect than I do for the Patriots,

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: especially where he's gonna go, Like, give me Oscar Delp

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01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: around later. I think that's a much better pick for

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: the pagri Stowers will go somewhere else and be really good.

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01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't really think he's the guy that the Patriots

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: are looking for at that position.

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: I've seen a little bit of Delp and we got

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: to take a break, but I've seen a little bit

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: of Delp, and he's a dynamic mover like he's kind

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: of you know, got that Georgia tight end like yackability

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01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: Delp's super weird. He's actually gonna be one of the

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: bigger names of the combine Oregon, just or not or

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01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: in Georgia. The last two years, One really didn't throw

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01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: to their tight ends, just didn't involve them in the

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: past game. And when they did, they had two equally

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: good ones that kind of split a fifty to fifty

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01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: to help and Loss and Lucky who went back to school.

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: I was hoping Lucky would be in the draft, right

1542
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: like Lucky for the Patriots too. But like so, his

1543
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: productions almost non existent.

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 3: It's not good.

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01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: But you just put on the tape and you watch him,

1546
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: and when he does get a chance to make plays,

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: he makes plays. So people are gonna be scared off

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: by his production. That's why he's projected as low as

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: he as right now. I think some people have him

1550
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: is like a high Day three pick. He's gonna test

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: really well, he's gonna interview really well. Like I think

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: he got to look past the production with him, and

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: I know tight ends. Generally, the production is a stronger

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: indicator than most positions of what the guy's gonna do.

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Speaker 3: In the league.

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Speaker 1: Oregon just I keep doing that. Georgia just never gave

1557
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: him the ball. Yeah, and to me, that's on Georgia.

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: That's a Georgia mistake.

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Speaker 3: I think he can play.

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Speaker 2: you guys have been waiting. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up?

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Speaker 4: Mark?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I were doing today? Sorry, for the disappointing end.

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Speaker 2: A of the season, but you know, we move on

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 2: absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: So Kyle Pitts is the name that I've been talking about.

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 5: I know he's not a blocking tight end, but New

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 5: England Patriots, I mean, we have not addressed the tight

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01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 5: end position in how many years are we going back? Guys?

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01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 5: Are we going back? Like ten fifteen years? They just

1624
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 5: never did anything after the Crockery.

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01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 3: Five years they signed Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith.

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm talking like an inline blocker slash receiver.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 5: They haven't done any of that. Like again, Dalton, what

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 5: was it Dalton and Kay Devon Osiassi's like that was

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 5: the thing back in Yeah, so it's never panned out.

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01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 5: So I'd rather go for the receiving guy. I mean,

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 5: I was a big Michael Mayer guy coming out of

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 5: the draft. I know Josh McDaniels picked them. I don't

1633
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 5: know if we could snag him from Vegas or not,

1634
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 5: but that's the type of guy that I would really like.

1635
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 5: But the wide receiver I wanted to get your guys,

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 5: take Malachi Fields. He looks like a perfect, like day two,

1637
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 5: day three type of guy. Wanted to get you guys'

1638
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 5: take on him because he's a big receiver.

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Mark, I actually it raised

1640
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: an eyebrow for me when I saw Daniel Jeremiah had

1641
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 2: Malchi fields in the first round yesterday. Yeah, and his

1642
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: mock draft. That always tells me that maybe the league

1643
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 2: is a lot higher on him than the media is.

1644
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 2: Right now, I haven't watched him yet, I will, but

1645
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: his point about tight ends is mostly factual. I mean,

1646
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: they had the Ossiossi and Keen draft that was twenty twenty,

1647
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: right right after Gronka moved on, retired whatever you want

1648
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: to call it, that obviously didn't pan out, and then

1649
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: really between then it was kind of like the Gronk draft,

1650
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 2: and then it was the Grond Carnandez draft right and

1651
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: then the Ossossi Keen Draft, And those are the only

1652
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: kind of times that they've invested like real capital in

1653
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 2: the draft at end position.

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01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh in the draft Okay, yeah yeah, I mean I

1655
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: I Hunter Henry Jona Smith is not not investing in

1656
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: type Oh yeah that worked.

1657
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 2: That was also five years ago though.

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: No, No, it's time for them to invest again, absolutely,

1659
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: and they should do it through the draft.

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I could see what he's saying. I

1661
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: just keep going back to what I was saying earlier

1662
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: about the matchup thing, like you have to think about

1663
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: it from a defensive coordinators perspective, and Kyle Pitts is

1664
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 2: going to be the Patriots When they played Atlanta earlier

1665
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 2: this year, had John Giles work as Kyle Pitts on

1666
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: the scout team. They treated him as a wide receiver,

1667
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: like they said that this is a wide receiver and

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 2: a tight end's body, and just from a matchup standpoint,

1669
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: it just doesn't present as many issues from the defense

1670
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: if you're basically just putting a third or fourth receiver

1671
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: on the field that just is masquerading as a tight

1672
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: end because he has a tight end next to his name.

1673
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 2: So that's where my whole blocking thing comes from. I

1674
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: think this is coming back and I kind of like

1675
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: that it's coming back across the league. Deck Y, you

1676
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 2: need guys that can block now at that position to

1677
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 2: really change the deck, to shuffle the deck in your favor,

1678
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 2: and I think that that starts with tight end. Kyle

1679
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: Pitts is an extremely talented player. I think that Drake

1680
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 2: Man and Kyle Pitts would do wonderful things together in

1681
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 2: the passing game. I am sure. I just don't know

1682
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: how much more sort of flexible that makes you when you.

1683
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 3: Sign Kyle Pitts and just play at receiver and then

1684
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: out a tight end.

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01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: I mean I probably play him at the in the slot. Yeah,

1686
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: but like at that point, it's kind of like what

1687
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: the Bills tried to do with Kincaid, Like just true,

1688
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: just draft a receiver, you know, Like yeah, but I yeah,

1689
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: I mean that's what he is. He'll put his hand

1690
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: in the dirt and run routes with his hand in

1691
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: the dirt, But nobody's worried about him blocking you. That's

1692
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 2: just there's some alignments that they're just gonna put him

1693
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: in line and have him run routes from there. He's

1694
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: a good player. I'm not trying to crap all over him.

1695
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: It's just a from a stylistic standpoint, I like Likely

1696
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: a little bit better. For that reason. I think Likely

1697
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: is a little bit more of the thing I'm talking about.

1698
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: Probably not all the way. You know, he's not a

1699
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: true difference making blocker, but he's a good enough blocker

1700
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: that it kind of presents those problems. Let's get back

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01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: to the phones. Aldred is in North Carolina? What's up? Aldred?

1702
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 4: Hey?

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01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 6: Fellas, how you doing? Hey Bart? You're all right? Disagree?

1704
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 6: Get that during bosting out your mouth? Okay, hey, don't

1705
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 6: you think we got enough of them guys on the

1706
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 6: field already? You know it might not be that big,

1707
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,120
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1708
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 6: what you got? And like I said, I want somebody

1709
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 6: that's supposed somebody can carry the defense. Make you thread

1710
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 6: them a little bit and then you know, open up

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01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,680
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01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 6: Timse maybe pull about uh Chris Love out of you

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01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 6: out of Louisville. He's six two running four to three

1714
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 6: outside true X and like I said, he run more

1715
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 6: routes too, and not just three.

1716
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 4: So we think that one and I'd.

1717
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 6: Rather have likely before I have Pitts, you know, and

1718
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 6: I hope we can get him. So what do y'all think?

1719
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 6: And I take it off there, Thank.

1720
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 2: You, thanks for the call. Yeah, I hear what he's saying.

1721
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: Like obviously, if Denzel Boston ran a four to four,

1722
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 2: he'd be a top ten pick, right And you know

1723
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: Ted didn't run a four to four either. I think

1724
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: that Ted's more flexible. I think he's more fluid. I

1725
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: think he's more loose, you know, with his routes and

1726
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: things like that, a little bit better of a route

1727
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: runner than Denzel Boston. But they're in the same archetype, right,

1728
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 2: Like I would probably say it's like Ted Drake London.

1729
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: Maybe T Higgins is kind of in this mole. Yeah,

1730
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston is kind of like a lesser version of

1731
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: that type of player, right, And I get the hesitation

1732
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: with that I do in terms of like speed down

1733
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: the field. Like I think that that's why everybody's so

1734
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 2: interested in Alec Pierce, because that's a guy that has

1735
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: the size that Boston has, but did run a four

1736
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: to four and jumped like a something ridiculous like forty

1737
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: five inch vertical or something like that. He does have

1738
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: that kind of speed in dynamic explosiveness. But that's why

1739
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: those guys don't hit free agency very often. Like, I

1740
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: don't know if Alex Pearce is going to make it

1741
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 2: all the way to free agency. Where are you familiar

1742
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: with the guys that he mentioned in the draft?

1743
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: I think he said Chris Bell, Yeah, mentioned Louisville. Chris

1744
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: Bell Chris Bell six. He's a big guy six two

1745
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: two twenty plays on the outside, really good speed, like

1746
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: big play threat.

1747
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 3: That's what he is.

1748
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: He's kind of the exact guy you're looking for. But

1749
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 1: he towards ACL in December, and for a guy that

1750
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: size on a torn ACL, you know, how's that going

1751
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: to impact his movement coming back. He's a big risk player. Yeah,

1752
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: he's a big boomer bust player. I don't want to

1753
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: see them take that risk. They have this momentum they've

1754
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: been building this team. Well, you know, he's still probably

1755
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: he would have probably would have been right in that

1756
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: conversation that late first early second round conversation with Denzel

1757
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: Boston in casec had he not gotten hurt, He's still

1758
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: probably gonna go top fifty. I don't know that I'm

1759
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: using a pick that high on a guy that that

1760
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: isn't gonna play as a rookie, or won't play right

1761
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: away as a rookie at least, and you don't know,

1762
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, how he's going to move coming back. I

1763
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: just think that's too much of a risk for them, right.

1764
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's a couple of guys like this every year.

1765
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: We did it last year, with Josh Simmons. You know,

1766
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: I make the comp to the two comps I make

1767
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: are to Dominique Easley into Malcolm Mitchell. Right, Yeah, if

1768
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: you tell me Chris Bells there in the fourth round,

1769
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: absolutely go for it that high. I just don't think

1770
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: they have the roster right now as good as better

1771
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: as they've gotten. I don't think they have the roster

1772
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: right now to take advantage or to take that kind

1773
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: of risk.

1774
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you.

1775
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 6: I I.

1776
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 2: Hear all the conversations about guys that have more speed.

1777
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: I do think it's worth noting. Just think about the

1778
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: best receivers in the league. Not all of them run

1779
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: for two.

1780
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: It's not a ton of burners.

1781
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also they're all none of them are

1782
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: guys that you're like worried about the speed.

1783
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: No, but the two guys that were the finalists and

1784
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 2: the yeah one to two in offensive player of the year,

1785
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: we're like four or five guys in Puka and.

1786
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: J Well, but that's still like respectable.

1787
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 2: I think the day you need to like most of

1788
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: the top receivers in the league fall right in that

1789
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: like four four eight to like four five three range,

1790
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: And there's there's exceptions on both sides, I'm sure, but

1791
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: like a four to five flat is kind of the

1792
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: sweet sigh, Like as long as we're here, then we're good.

1793
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: Because there's so much technical stuff with route running obviously,

1794
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: ball skills, body control, like, there's so many other elements

1795
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 2: of it. And I, you know, I got caught I

1796
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: get caught up in it too. It's why we all

1797
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: love the combine, and we all get caught up.

1798
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: And there's the other side of it too, there's the

1799
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: fast and thing. You can't just be adding speed just

1800
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: to add speed.

1801
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of more receivers that were getting emails

1802
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: about and just prospects in general. Barth, what's your take

1803
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: on Omar Cooper Junior. I know this is a popular

1804
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: one for a lot of people. Kid from Indiana that

1805
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: Indiana has two wide receivers, right, this is like the

1806
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: more separating type of receiver.

1807
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 3: Right. So the other guy is.

1808
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: Serrat, Elijah Serrat, who kind of reminds me a little

1809
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 1: bit of Jakobe Myers. I'm interested to see where Omar

1810
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Cooper measures in. So you mentioned he's kind of a

1811
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: quicker separator. He's listed at six four to two oh four.

1812
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: If he's moved or sorry, six foot two o four

1813
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: oh okay, but even still, you know he's moving like that.

1814
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: It's six foot two oh four. Yeah, it's probably a

1815
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: first round pick. Yeah, definitely top fifty, right, but is

1816
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: he more like five ten one eighty? And then now

1817
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: you're getting closer to you know, a guy like a

1818
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas. I've seen some people throw out Zay Flowers

1819
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: comparisons for him. So let's see the size. But he's

1820
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: that yeah, he's that that inside over the middle of

1821
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: the field separator. He's kind of like a Day two KCC.

1822
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know it's a couple of guys like that.

1823
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: Antonio Williams, I don't not like him, but I just

1824
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm so blea about the Day two receivers just because

1825
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: of where they're at. They don't need another guy in

1826
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the depth chart. They need a guy

1827
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: at the top that's going to dictate the coverage, especially

1828
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: if it's an inside. Like if you're going out and

1829
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: getting an X and you're trying to upgrade over KSh

1830
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: on booty, maybe you're doing that on Day two. I

1831
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of people like Chris Brazzle, like fine,

1832
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: I could see that I just what is another guy

1833
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: that's gonna like shifty guy that's gonna play in the inside.

1834
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: You have that, you have Pop Douglas, you have Kyle Williams.

1835
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 3: He's a good player.

1836
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: But I think we're past the point now of just like, okay,

1837
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: then you to add good players because they don't have enough.

1838
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: We can really start talking more about fits.

1839
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Omore Cooper. I haven't deep dive into

1840
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: him yet, he's on my list, but just you can

1841
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 2: see the compete level with him. You see the hands

1842
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: like in this train.

1843
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 3: He's a really good player.

1844
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: He reminds me like a little bit more of like

1845
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: a like a Manny Sanders type, okay, than like a

1846
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: pure like slot guy like a popp or you know,

1847
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Ze Flowers that's more jitterbuggy like. He's more like smooth

1848
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, strong and you know, runs good routes over

1849
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Fun player. But I'm with

1850
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 2: I can see what you're saying in terms of is

1851
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 2: he really is he a difference maker to the point.

1852
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 3: You know, like where you're where you're gonna have to

1853
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: take them?

1854
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, dictating coverage and all that different

1855
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. The other guy that we're getting a

1856
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: ton of emails on Alex Draft.

1857
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: That WoT you go down to day three if you

1858
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: really want that guy, you go down day three. Take

1859
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: Lewis Bond.

1860
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Lewis Baond's fun r.

1861
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: Mason Thomas from Oklahomamas is starting.

1862
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,799
Speaker 2: To like pick up a lot of like draft Twitter steam.

1863
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of his games the other day.

1864
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: You can see the first step, the explosiveness off the ball,

1865
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: the bend, the pursuit to the quarterback. The one thing

1866
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: that I would just say with him, and this happens

1867
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: every year, there's always one edge guy that has a

1868
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: lot of like let's call it five to ten really

1869
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 2: flashy reps. Yeah, and those reps just get put on loop.

1870
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: I mean he gave Will Campbell the business two years ago.

1871
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: He was like the one guy that you really had

1872
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 1: a lot of success Campbell.

1873
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried about our Mason Thomas in

1874
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: that sense of like are we all just watching the

1875
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 2: same two games that he donated, And like I also

1876
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: just you know, there's a size thing there with him

1877
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 2: in terms of like length and just you know size

1878
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: that is he a third down pass rusher, is he

1879
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 2: a full down, you know, said, that's the.

1880
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 3: Bigger thing for me.

1881
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: Like, if you think Harold Landry is gonna be healthier

1882
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: and he's gonna bounce back, and you're talking about replacing

1883
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 1: Calebon Chase On as a guy that's just gonna go

1884
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: get the quarterback, Yeah, great, Like he makes a ton

1885
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: of sense to me if you're trying to shore up

1886
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: your defensive, you know, your defense on the edge against

1887
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the run and contain the pocket and maybe more of

1888
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: a Landry replacement to play opposite Chase On. There's guys

1889
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: that like better. So it's it's about role for him,

1890
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: and he'll be one. Like he's a good player and

1891
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: he belongs on the radar. Let's see what they do

1892
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: in free agency. Let's see if they sign anybody. Let's

1893
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: see if they bring back Chase On, and then we'll

1894
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: have a better idea of how he fits.

1895
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's I think that he's you know, they

1896
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 2: drafted Braden Swinston kind of hoping that he would be

1897
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: this guy because I don't think that they really fully

1898
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: thought that Chase On Landry were going to be like

1899
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: full time players when they were healthy. And I think

1900
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: they will Chase on I think they thought was remember

1901
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: at the beginning, Yeah, I think they want Swinton to

1902
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: maybe develop into that kind of guy that can kind

1903
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: of come on third down and really rush the passer.

1904
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 2: Our Amason Thomas is definitely going to have a role

1905
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 2: on an NFL team right away doing that. I don't

1906
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: know if he's like a true.

1907
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Three days player.

1908
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: He might be, but not yet.

1909
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

1910
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's more of like a kind of big picture

1911
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 2: question on watching film. This is from Blake in Oregon.

1912
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: He says that he's, you know, a big fan of

1913
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: the draft process and you know that sort of thing,

1914
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 2: and he wants to know how we watch college prospects

1915
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: and what we look for in certain positions. That could

1916
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: take all day to tell you, not saying that we

1917
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: do anything shattering, but there's a lot of positions. And

1918
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 2: then he said that, you know, he watches like YouTube

1919
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: highlights and you know, outside of a big catch or

1920
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 2: pancake block or its sack or something, he doesn't really

1921
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 2: know he's looking for. I would just say, Number one,

1922
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good even just like TV cutups.

1923
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Now nowadays it used to be Draft breakdown or whatever

1924
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: that website was that doesn't exist anymore. But there's other

1925
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: places that you can go that are full cutups of

1926
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 2: games and not YouTube highlights. Right, you can get really

1927
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: lost in the sauce with highlight tape. That's not the

1928
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: best way.

1929
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: It's not.

1930
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 2: You don't have to completely ignore it because I think there's.

1931
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: A place to start with it. So you kind of

1932
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 3: get an idea, Okay, like what is this guy?

1933
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 7: Like?

1934
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: What is the goal?

1935
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 5: Right?

1936
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: What do we What's what's the end goal here?

1937
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would say that when it comes to lineman,

1938
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of technique stuff that goes

1939
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: into it, you know, pad level, hand placement, different rush

1940
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: moves certainly, and ways to get off blocks for defensive

1941
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: lineman is key. I was watching this morning, Banks the

1942
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: kid from Florida, the defensive tackle. It's Florida, right, I

1943
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 2: think Carlton Banks. Yeah, Caleb Caleb is Carlton Banks, the

1944
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 2: guy from Fresh Principal. See, I'm gonna do that all drafts,

1945
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: so I'm bad.

1946
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Quick quick side note here. While we're on defensive tackles,

1947
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: you need to watch Dominie Orange.

1948
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1949
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 3: They call him Big Citrus.

1950
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: You just you just like him because his nickname is

1951
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Big Citrus part of the reason I ultimately Caleb Banks

1952
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 2: and not Carlton Banks.

1953
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, I almost did this in my mock draft,

1954
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't want people to rip my limbs off

1955
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: for taking a defensive tackle, like a run stopping defensive

1956
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: tackle on Day two.

1957
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 3: But like man if.

1958
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Tonga doesn't come back or they just want to be

1959
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: better against the run on the interior, you talk about

1960
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: a guy that's a verable fit, high motor, violent, disruptive.

1961
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I talked about the thing earlier, like defensive playmakers.

1962
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: I don't there's we just who's player.

1963
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: We just talked about Omar Cooper, like now that they're

1964
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: good again, I haven't had a player like this in

1965
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a few years. I think the one exception was Joe Bilden,

1966
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: who they took. Anyway, Yeah, guys, I like that. I

1967
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,839
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see how they make sense for the Patriots,

1968
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: but I just like them. So I'm going to try

1969
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: to make it work or I'm just going to talk

1970
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: about him. I need you to watch Big Citrus and

1971
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: tell me what the argument is for the Patriots drafting him,

1972
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: like maybe moving up a little bit from like what's

1973
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 1: their third pick, ninety.

1974
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Thirty one sixty three ninety five.

1975
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: You need to tell me what the argument is to

1976
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: move up maybe from ninety five, like ten to fifteen

1977
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: spots and get dominic orange, because oh my goodness, is

1978
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: he dominant and fun to watch.

1979
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: You just think you just like him because of his nickname.

1980
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: It's how I first discovered it. It's the first game

1981
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: of the year they play in Ireland every year. This

1982
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: guy keeps blowing up the run game every play and

1983
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's interesting, and they're like, they call

1984
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: him Big Citrus.

1985
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, that's very interesting. And then I kept

1986
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 3: watching it and he was just destroying guys.

1987
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 2: So back to the email, okay, and I'll get to

1988
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 2: Big Citrus when I eventually, I promise. You know, I

1989
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 2: think for a lineman, it's all technique, right, you're looking

1990
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 2: at pad level, you're looking at feet, you're looking at

1991
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: hand placement, you're looking at traits like length, and you

1992
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: know that sort of thing. But I was mentioning Caleb

1993
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: Banks because I was watching him and you can see

1994
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: the explosiveness off the ball, the power, the strength that

1995
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: he has to his game, the length. He's a big,

1996
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: like long, strong dude, but he just doesn't have a

1997
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 2: lot of like counters with his hands, Like when he

1998
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: gets stuck on the block, he's just stuck and there's

1999
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 2: no there's no second gear, there's no counter move to it.

2000
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 2: Like those are the types of things that you look

2001
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: for a little bit more in terms of the draft

2002
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 2: because like that's what you need at the NFL level,

2003
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 2: because you're not going to consistently win with your first move.

2004
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: At the NFL level, the blockers are too good, so

2005
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,799
Speaker 2: you always need to have that like deep bag of arsenal.

2006
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about wide receiver, Like

2007
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 2: you always want to look at a guy's best release

2008
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 2: against press, but he does he have anything else in

2009
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 2: his by in his bag that he can add to that?

2010
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: You know, what's his top of the round technique? How

2011
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: does he catch the ball is a huge one that

2012
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 2: I think I have like sort of learned over the

2013
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: years to be more cognizant of. So I don't want

2014
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: to sleep on a guy like Denzil Boston, for example,

2015
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 2: because in the NFL everything is crowded, everything is congested.

2016
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: You're catching the ball in tight spaces constantly, So how

2017
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 2: does that player catch the ball? How does he carve

2018
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 2: out space for himself. How does he win at the

2019
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 2: catch point? Like, these are all elements that are really

2020
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 2: really important. So we could probably do a whole show

2021
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: on that question, but I thought it was a fun

2022
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 2: question for this show in particular.

2023
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: I would just say this, and this goes to kind

2024
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: of gett away from highlights too, not getting away from

2025
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: but like, and I've mentioned this before, it's consistency, right,

2026
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: And if you're a D one player in looking at

2027
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: the D two and D three guys is a little

2028
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: bit different.

2029
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 3: But you don't do that a ton, right, If you're

2030
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 3: a D one, we'll just use quarterback.

2031
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: Yep, you pretty impressive arm talent just on the general

2032
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, and most of those guys can make eye popping.

2033
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 3: Throws even when you get in a group of five.

2034
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: But are they making it one out of every ten times,

2035
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: three out of every ten times, eight out of every

2036
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: ten times. So like, that's kind of what you're looking for,

2037
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: And that's maybe where you where you look at the

2038
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: highlights and then go back to the film where the

2039
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: highlights can be useful. Okay, these few plays really represent

2040
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 1: what I think this player can be. Now, let me

2041
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: go watch a full game and are those the only

2042
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: three times he made the playoff season? Or is he

2043
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: making like similar plays or close to it, or is

2044
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: he is he in position to make it right? That's

2045
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: consistency is the big thing to me. That's what true

2046
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: people realize. That's what at the NFL and college whatever.

2047
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: You get to a certain point, you're naturally very talented.

2048
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: Even the guys that we say suck in college are

2049
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: tremendously talented, but they just might not make the plays

2050
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: as consistently as the guys that we really look at

2051
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: at the top.

2052
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: That's always what I'm looking for this email. One more

2053
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 2: question we didn't talk about, Alex was or one more position. Yeah,

2054
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 2: where are you at with the Patriots running back room? Uh,

2055
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: ramondro Stevens and Trevion Henderson as of right now? Antonio

2056
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Gibson coming off in acl Lan Larrison. Yeah, my rookie

2057
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: mini camp hero. He'll be back. And he was already

2058
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 2: doing stuff off to the side towards the end of

2059
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 2: the regular season in playoffs, So I think he's healthy.

2060
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a full go in

2061
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 2: the off season. But do they need a third back?

2062
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 2: Do you trust Antonio Gibson coming back off the ACL

2063
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 2: so kick returner was a big aspect of the kick return.

2064
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so kick returner, I look more wide receiver Barryon Brown,

2065
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: that's my guy. But at running back, it's a kind

2066
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 1: of remember the last few years, every year was like

2067
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: an unbelievable running back class, and people start saying, you

2068
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: can't say they're all great. If they're all great, then

2069
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: that's just what the classes are. Yeah, No, this year

2070
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: is why those were a great class. This year's class

2071
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: really not great. But there's some fun names. I would

2072
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: like to see them bring in somebody else to compete

2073
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: with Antonio Gibson, you know, because where is he at

2074
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: health wise? And Larison for that third running back role.

2075
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: This could be a late pick. There's some guys I

2076
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: like that are projected to go later, you know, you

2077
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about like middle of day three. Kaylon

2078
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: Black from Indiana is a fun player. But even if

2079
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: you go later and now you're getting in the guys

2080
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that can play special teams. Jayden Ought was supposed to

2081
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 1: be a top one hundred pick at one point and

2082
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: just kind of fell off the map when he transferred

2083
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: from cal to Oklahoma. There could be some month tap

2084
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,799
Speaker 1: potential there. Jam Miller is the latest running back from Alabama.

2085
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Didn't live up to some of the others, but just

2086
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 1: a well rounded guy, a good depth option. Jamal Haynes

2087
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: from Georgia Tech runs people over. Kjean Owens from FIU

2088
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: one of the best big play threats in all of

2089
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: college football last year in terms of like big play

2090
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: numbers like yards per Carrie runs of fifteen plus twenty

2091
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: plus yards. He's right there neck for neck with Jeremiah Love. Now,

2092
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love did it Notre Dame. But like, if they

2093
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: want another big play threat, Okay, Steve, it's gonna be

2094
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: our play to play guy. But we want a guy

2095
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: we can kind of spell with Trayvon Henderson and then

2096
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: the two other names I'll give you because I thought

2097
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: both of these guys are gonna be in the draft

2098
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: last year. I liked both of them last year. Des

2099
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: Reid from Pitt I'm gonna give you a camp. Take

2100
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: this with a grain of salt, because there's flashes of

2101
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: this guy, but the guys in anomaly. He really shouldn't

2102
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: have worked out, and it's flashes, it's not consistent. It's

2103
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,759
Speaker 1: another pit guy. Deon Lewis he's very small.

2104
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Dean Lews isn't so good that he's not comparable,

2105
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Like it's.

2106
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,959
Speaker 3: Not different Patriots fancy kind of is des Reid.

2107
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 4: Is very small.

2108
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna say, like Emmitt Smith or something.

2109
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: Des Reid is very small and very fast.

2110
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know, like how he's not gonna

2111
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: have a long NFL crek because he's not built for it.

2112
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:47,759
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a high volume guy, but always

2113
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: e quick. When he gets ball in his hands, he

2114
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: can make plays. The other guy, CJ. Donaldson, was it

2115
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Transferred to Ohio State last year. Came in

2116
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: as a tight end, moved to running backs. He's a

2117
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: big guy and is just a really well rounded player.

2118
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: He kind of got buried at Ohio State this year.

2119
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 1: They had a freshman named Bo Jackson, yes, who just

2120
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: was a study so CJ. Donaldson And also his nickname's Bo.

2121
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't go by Bo because his real name is

2122
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He rules, we'll get to him in a

2123
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: couple of years. But C J. Donaldson got buried a

2124
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: little bit. But there's you know, you talk about a

2125
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: day three running back. I think there's a lot to

2126
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: work with there as a third back, as a contributor.

2127
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: He's going to play on special teams as well. So

2128
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: there's some fun names later in the draft are running back.

2129
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate to see them, you know, add somebody

2130
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: six or.

2131
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: Seven of impact running backs? Yeah, not a good offseason.

2132
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 2: Not a good free agency class.

2133
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Not No, it's a good for agency class. What are

2134
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you talking about for impact running backs?

2135
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: I think isn't. Travis Centtn is like the only one

2136
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVP. Okay, but he's going to go

2137
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 2: back to see Keath Walker. A lot of people saying

2138
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 2: he's not. He's going to go back.

2139
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 3: What about Breese Hall too? That one, I guess is

2140
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more interesting.

2141
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: But there's I think Tyler aljier is slept on. Rico

2142
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 1: Daddle had a good season. Like, no, there's there's good backs.

2143
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah the draft.

2144
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 3: Nothing the draft.

2145
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think there's a great offseason for backs

2146
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 2: like Kenneth Walker. I don't think is going to go anywhere.

2147
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 2: Breese Hall is interesting, but like you're adding Breese Hall

2148
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 2: to be like the guy and you're maybe it's still

2149
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying, like, you know, Breese

2150
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 2: Hall for the Patriots, I don't think makes a whole

2151
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,759
Speaker 2: lot of sense. I think the whole thing was running

2152
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: backs with the Patriots is what they truly, deep down,

2153
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 2: truly what they think of Trevon Henderson and he basically

2154
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 2: whether it was valid or invalid, they can only tell me.

2155
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 2: He basically became unplayable in the playoffs, like they did

2156
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: not play him in in the playoffs period.

2157
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 4: Is that.

2158
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 3: I wonder how much that was past protection.

2159
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 2: Pass protection? Is it rookie running back and Josh McDaniel's offense.

2160
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 2: It's always a slow learning curve, and the fact that

2161
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 2: he was able to contribute at all that could be

2162
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 2: a really good sign. That could mean that he is

2163
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 2: gonna blossom into a great player for them. The all

2164
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 2: of it that we all saw with Trevion Henderson really

2165
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 2: all season long, is it's all mental stuff. It's run reads,

2166
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 2: it's finding space, it's pass protection and pass protection rules.

2167
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 2: Like none of it was like he's a physical freak,

2168
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 2: Like he can run faster than anybody. He's physical, He's

2169
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 2: very very good in the open field, Like none of

2170
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 2: that is a concern. It's getting to the open field

2171
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: that's the concern. It's seeing rush lanes develop, it's knowing

2172
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 2: where creases are and cut back lanes are, and reading

2173
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 2: off blocks and setting up blocks and like all of

2174
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 2: like the little minutia things about the running back position.

2175
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 2: Is that gonna click for him moving forward? Because if

2176
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 2: it is, they're in good shape, Like Stevenson has your

2177
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 2: thunder and Henderson has lightning, Like they're in pretty good shape.

2178
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 2: You got a third running back in here that's kind

2179
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: of like the Antonio Gibson role that maybe helps return

2180
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 2: kicks and spells and things like that. You're golden if

2181
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 2: you don't think Travion Henderson's trending in the right direction.

2182
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 2: And this is probably not a twenty twenty six things,

2183
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 2: so probably beyond now we're talking about running back being

2184
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: more of a long term thing.

2185
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: They if you want to go a little bigger, the

2186
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: name I'll give you if you're talking about like late

2187
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: day two is Joanah Coleman from Washington. Now, this is

2188
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: more thunder and thunder with Stevenson than thunder and lightning

2189
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: mean physical bully, just pain in the ass runner. Really

2190
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: good pass blocker can contribute in passing. Amy kind of

2191
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: took a jump as a receiver this year. One of

2192
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: those guys that I like watching run because he just

2193
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: cracks skulls.

2194
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: That's what he does.

2195
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: He's never seen a defender that he doesn't think he

2196
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: can run through. And the reality is in college he

2197
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: ran for most of them. So if you want, you know,

2198
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: would try to find a true RB two if you're

2199
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 1: and I think it's too early to give up on

2200
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: Trevion Anderson, way too early. But if that's what you're

2201
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: looking for, Joanah Coleman. Again, it's not thunder and lighting.

2202
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: It's thunder and thunder.

2203
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 6: But he is.

2204
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 3: He is a pain in the ass.

2205
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 2: This is one of those positions that again and I

2206
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 2: think it's way too early probably to give up or

2207
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 2: determine Travon Henderson. But that's a This is like a

2208
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel truth serum question of like, do you guys

2209
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: think that Travon Henderson is close like to being you know,

2210
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 2: a full time usage type of player, or you know,

2211
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: is this something that might be more of a concern

2212
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 2: in a year or two from now? This question This

2213
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 2: emails from Sean in Connecticut. He asks about Mike Rabel's

2214
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 2: draft history with the Tennessee Titans and if it was

2215
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 2: good or bad, given the fact that there's like what

2216
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 2: five or six years worth of draft data now, he

2217
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 2: didn't control the draft. Famously did not control the draft.

2218
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,799
Speaker 2: John Robinson controlled the draft for most of his tenure

2219
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 2: as the Titans head coach, and then.

2220
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 3: So he very much didn't until he very much.

2221
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 2: Didn't and then they had it was ran Carthin, right

2222
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 2: that that had the weird like overlap year where Mike

2223
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: Rabel I think might have controlled it for one cycle

2224
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 2: and then ran Carthin got like an arranged marriage situation

2225
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: where they got put. Anyways, long story short, they started

2226
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:05,560
Speaker 2: out on a heater in Tennessee with the draft, and

2227
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 2: then a like a lot of these situations, it fizzled

2228
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 2: out and they ran out out of their luck in

2229
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. That's what kind of led to

2230
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 2: his demise in Tennessee, right, is just like Belichick here

2231
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 2: and so many other examples, you just sort of start

2232
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 2: screwing up the draft and then he just don't get

2233
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 2: the talent there, you know, the biggest one obviously being

2234
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 2: trading aj Brown and drafting Treylon Burks to replace him

2235
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: in that one flopping. But early on in his Tennessee tenure,

2236
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 2: these are some pretty good drafts. The first draft in eighteen,

2237
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 2: Rashaun Evans, like probably didn't quite live up to the hype,

2238
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,759
Speaker 2: but he was like an NFL player, like he played,

2239
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 2: you know, and then obviously Harold Landry in the second

2240
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 2: round was a huge hit for them. This next draft, though,

2241
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 2: alex is quite the draft in twenty nineteen, Jeffrey Simmons,

2242
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 2: AJ Brown, Amani Hooker all in the same draft, so

2243
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 2: that one big home run. And then the following draft

2244
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty is when it started to kind of

2245
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 2: go downhill. That's when they drafted Isaiah Wilson. Yeah, that

2246
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 2: was a good twenty ninth overall the tackle. And the

2247
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: next year they took Caleb Farley, so they got a

2248
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 2: little bit injury risk, you know, they took a lot

2249
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,839
Speaker 2: of injury risk, and that started to be where and Able.

2250
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 3: Kind of talked about that.

2251
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: Last year he was asked sort of indirectly about Josh

2252
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Simmons and mentioned that that was something he learned from Tennessee,

2253
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: was making out more of a part of the evaluation.

2254
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the back to back draft Farley had,

2255
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 2: like I think it was a back thing.

2256
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, not in the league anymore.

2257
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a big issue. And then Isaiah Wilson,

2258
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 2: the tackle had like all sorts of off field concerns

2259
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 2: going into that draft. Really talented, but had a lot

2260
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 2: of issues. All right, we'll go back to the phones,

2261
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Patty's and Aguan. What's up Patty.

2262
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 5: Hey, what's up?

2263
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 10: Guys?

2264
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 2: How you doing good? How are you good?

2265
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 4: Pretty good? I got a couple of things I want

2266
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 4: to go over, and I want to shout out my

2267
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 4: guy Elder too, but I'll, you know, I try and

2268
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 4: say that for the last I think I do like

2269
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 4: the idea of signing Romeo Dobbs because I do think

2270
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 4: like I think Alex. I think it was Taylor, your philer.

2271
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 4: Kyles has said something about footy possibly moving, you know,

2272
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 4: moving out of the X body thinks he'd probably do

2273
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 4: a lot better, and I like, I've always liked Dobbs

2274
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,799
Speaker 4: as a player. I know he's had some injury concerns

2275
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years. But if we're gonna

2276
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 4: move on from Stefan Diggs, there's two guys probably, And

2277
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 4: I know you don't want to hear it because I

2278
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 4: think sincet Scan is going to be gone too. At

2279
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 4: pick thirty one. But two guys in the second round

2280
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 4: that I really like is one a Antonio Williams out

2281
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 4: of Clenston and a guy who I feel like is

2282
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 4: flying under the radar, who I think is going to

2283
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 4: be a really good player, Skuyler Bell from Yukon. And

2284
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 4: it broke my heart when Chris Daal got hurt because

2285
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 4: he was kind of my wide receiver draft brush. But Eldred, Uh, listen, buddy,

2286
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 4: if you think that this year's crop the wide receivers

2287
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 4: are good, just wait till next year. Buddy. I know

2288
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 4: Smith is going to be the prize pick of the draft,

2289
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 4: but you got you got guys like Nick marsh and

2290
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 4: Pullman TJ. Moore who are all big and fast guys,

2291
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 4: and Alex our guy Nick Harbor. That's that's who I

2292
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 4: want him to get next year. And I'll just stand

2293
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 4: on this if I know it is our biggest need

2294
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 4: on defense. But if a guy like Tone I think

2295
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 4: his name is Anthony Hill, junior linebacker out at Texas,

2296
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 4: is available at thirty one, would you take them? Because

2297
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 4: I think that guy's a freak and I'll take it

2298
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:32,719
Speaker 4: out there, guys.

2299
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty.

2300
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:38,839
Speaker 3: One too, Georgia.

2301
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 2: Those are my that's on my to do list over

2302
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 2: the last couple of days before the combine there there's

2303
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 2: That's the one thing about thirty one Alex. There's a

2304
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 2: million different ways that can go about, so.

2305
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 3: A couple of things to that.

2306
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could add some of those Day two guys,

2307
01:46:54,720 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 1: but those guys don't have so like if they're not

2308
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: going to come in and reset the depth chart. We

2309
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: saw what happens this year when you have a wide

2310
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 1: receiver that can dictate coverage like that. Those guys are

2311
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: good players. They don't project as that like Apex guy.

2312
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: And at a certain point it's continuing to add in

2313
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 1: muddle the middle of the depth chart.

2314
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't do. You're just kind of spinning your tires.

2315
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 2: Especially with like a guy even though it wasn't consistent,

2316
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 2: there were flashes from Kyle Williams. And so now if

2317
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 2: you add another.

2318
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 3: Guy right now, you're just burying him.

2319
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 2: You're now they're competing for it.

2320
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 1: So you're just burning through those picks, like you got

2321
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: to finish with what you started with Kyle Williams. You know,

2322
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I even put Romeo Dobbs in that category and he's

2323
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: coming from a situation in Green Bay where they kind

2324
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: of did that something else. I don't mean to pick

2325
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: on Patty, but something else about the twenty twenty seven

2326
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: draft class, because I keep hearing those, Yeah, you can't

2327
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: trade any picks in twenty twenty seven. You don't want

2328
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 1: to invest too much a wide receiver right now, because

2329
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven, if they're picking high

2330
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 1: enough to draft Jeremiah Smith, Ryan Williams or Cam Coleman,

2331
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: something has gone wrong, like simply put something that you

2332
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: should not be rooting for them to draft one of

2333
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: those three guys because either something terrible has happened.

2334
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 2: Four sixth round picks, their fourth round pick.

2335
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: Either something terrible has happening with the Patriots, or something

2336
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: terrible has happened with none of those three players, which,

2337
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: by the way, Ryan Williams had a bad year this year,

2338
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of be you he is. But like and after that, yeah,

2339
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: like Nick Harber is a fun player. He's hardly a

2340
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:19,600
Speaker 1: short thing. And I'll say that if somebody really likes

2341
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: Nick Harbor. Nick Harber's hardly a short thing. Some of

2342
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: those names he mentioned that these are guys that are

2343
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,920
Speaker 1: further down the board you can't base your twenty six

2344
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: offseason on they're not bad enough anymore to do that.

2345
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: If they had won four games last year, fine, maybe

2346
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: you talk about loading up for twenty twenty seven because

2347
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: it's a really good draft too at other positions, right

2348
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 1: on the edge, guys like Dylan Stewart and Colin Simmons.

2349
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 1: But no, like we're past that they're good again. If

2350
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: they're picking high enough to pick those guys, something's gone wrong.

2351
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: The goal should be that they're picking too low to

2352
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 1: get any of them. So, yeah, there's some good names

2353
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty seven draft. I'd rather than just

2354
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: get a guy this year, whether that be in the draft,

2355
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 1: whether it being for agency, whether it be through trade,

2356
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 1: get a.

2357
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 3: Guy this year. It's going to get you to the

2358
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 3: next level. So they're picking thirty second next.

2359
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Year and we're not even worrying about Jeremiah Smith or

2360
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams or any of these guys.

2361
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Liam is in Philly. What's up, Liam?

2362
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 4: What's up?

2363
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:13,679
Speaker 2: How you doing good?

2364
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 4: Hey?

2365
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 9: All right?

2366
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 5: Hey?

2367
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 9: Hey out? How you feel?

2368
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 10: Hey?

2369
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 9: All right? Yeah? You know, I don't call much. I mean,

2370
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 9: I you know, but I tell you I've always listened

2371
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,640
Speaker 9: and whatnot, and y'all just touched on what I was

2372
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 9: just I'm really having the issue you guys, explains to

2373
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,760
Speaker 9: me a little bit more. Okay, So you don't want,

2374
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 9: you don't want. I don't want to say. I don't

2375
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 9: know if I want to say, you don't want. You

2376
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 9: got a dual threat quarterback, right, So I think we

2377
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 9: all on the same page here. Okay, Yet his talent

2378
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 9: around him is I but I mean I don't want

2379
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 9: no more Kayshawn Booty, Jamario Pop Douglas or or a Cowboys.

2380
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 9: We got enough of that, Okay, I mean he needs

2381
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 9: a number one. I mean it's it's like y'all been

2382
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 9: experimenting with that position for almost how long.

2383
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.

2384
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 2: I just said, Yeah, we're with you. We get we

2385
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: are with you. We're not in the we're not in

2386
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 2: the category. We're not in for another third round pick at.

2387
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: Either talking to the depth chart or if you want

2388
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: to take a seventh round guy and whatever, go for it.

2389
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:30,560
Speaker 9: But right, look, look I get it, Evan, Like I

2390
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 9: wasn't trying to say when I called last time and

2391
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 9: I asked you about Jeremiah Smith. Why not, you know,

2392
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm just saying he needs that receiver that

2393
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 9: can do it all. Because when you double digs, you're

2394
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 9: already seen in the super Bowl. Nobody was that's it,

2395
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 9: nobody's open, that's it done right.

2396
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,520
Speaker 1: But they shouldn't be drafting Jeremiah Smith because they shouldn't.

2397
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 3: Have to have a pick.

2398
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 2: I know it, I know it is.

2399
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 9: I know what you was saying too. I know what

2400
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 9: you was saying. I mean, you know, if if something

2401
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 9: when if the Patriots are at a lower play like

2402
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 9: a top ten, then something went wrong where they can

2403
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 9: get him. So what's going on? You know what I mean?

2404
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 9: I understand that.

2405
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that.

2406
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 9: The Patriots this experimenting with that position for so long.

2407
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

2408
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 9: It's I don't want to actually, I don't want to

2409
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 9: see us doing a two to three second third round

2410
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 9: picks for wide receiver, try to develop and see what happens.

2411
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 4: We've been playing this game for a.

2412
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 9: Very long time now it's getting a little tyingson seriously,

2413
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 9: like it's time, Like, you know, he beats his number

2414
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 9: one and Drake is only what two years did a

2415
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 9: two year rookie deal. He got less after that. What

2416
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 9: you're gonna do?

2417
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the callin, William, we're a preaching

2418
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 2: we just start up again, so we got to end

2419
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 2: the show.

2420
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want but yeah, he's not what we've

2421
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 3: been saying.

2422
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 10: That it is.

2423
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 2: It is, and he's William, You're consistent. He's consistently frustrated

2424
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 2: that they don't have a top dog at wide receiver.

2425
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 2: And I get it, and I think they're close because

2426
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 2: I think Diggs is a really, really good number two

2427
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 2: at this stage of his career. Yeah, if they could

2428
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 2: get that number one guy that we'll all want them

2429
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 2: to go out and get. It's just you gotta you know,

2430
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 2: you gotta put a name to the claim. Right, It's

2431
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 2: not as easy as it sounds. If I had a

2432
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 2: ton of confidence in them drafting at that position in

2433
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 2: the first round, then I would think I would feel

2434
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 2: a little bit better.

2435
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 3: Do you think Denzel Boston could be that guy? Yeah?

2436
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 2: I think he could be, if you know, paired with

2437
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 2: Drake may Like. Do I think that he's I think

2438
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 2: I think off of it as a supplement to like

2439
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 2: more like a one A one B situation, Right, I

2440
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 2: don't think Denzel Boston is like Jamar Chase and he's

2441
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 2: gonna come in here and be.

2442
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 3: Like, well, no, they're picking a thirty one, right, So

2443
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 3: but a one A as.

2444
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: Like a big body, more outside guy to the inside

2445
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 2: guy that is Stefan Diggs. Yeah, I think that our.

2446
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: Team's gonna have to choose between doubling Digs or Boston basically,

2447
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: or they're gonna be to keep doubling digs all the

2448
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 1: way through and leave Boston one on one.

2449
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 3: My guess that's the kind of guy we're talking about.

2450
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,880
Speaker 2: My guess is that they would probably keep doubling digs.

2451
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,640
Speaker 2: But I think Boston has better chance of beating the

2452
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 2: one on one coverage than the guys they can.

2453
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 1: Well, then you have to consider if he's consistently beating it,

2454
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:16,120
Speaker 1: then you have to consider doubling him.

2455
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 3: Answers, This is basically what we're talking about.

2456
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: Can they get somebody if they keep digs who will

2457
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 1: make teams second guest doubling digs?

2458
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 3: Right, that's it, that's what.

2459
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 2: Or then that side of the field put the safety

2460
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 2: old right top and then.

2461
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: Kind of he more comes into play if they move

2462
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 1: on from Diggs. I love I think he's a great player.

2463
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how much sense it makes to have

2464
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: both him and stuff on Diggs. You know, when you

2465
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: have to use a first time.

2466
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 2: I think that that would be like you were going

2467
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 2: to decide that Diggs is really just a pass game

2468
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 2: player at this stage, and like basically he becomes like

2469
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 2: your third down slot guy, and Concepcion is like your

2470
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 2: starting Z.

2471
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 3: And so that's where you get into the twenty six

2472
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 3: million dollar cap it.

2473
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that that would be reducing Diggs's.

2474
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 3: Role right at that point? Do you just move on

2475
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 3: and get somebody else who's more tailored to that role?

2476
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 2: Last six five six minutes here The only couple of

2477
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 2: other things I wanted to get through today. The combine

2478
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 2: is next week. I'm leaving Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. We should

2479
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 2: hear from Mike Rabel Elliot Wolf workouts don't start until

2480
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 2: Thursday in Indianapolis next week. Just big picture, you know,

2481
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 2: a couple of Patriot things. I think obviously the number

2482
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 2: one question is probably going to be a Christian Gonzales

2483
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 2: contract extension, and is that negotiation begun? Is that negotiation

2484
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 2: top of mind? That certainly will be high on the list.

2485
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if Zach Kory's thing will be super

2486
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 2: high because we kind of know who Zach Corey is.

2487
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to call it a formality

2488
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: because I feel like it takes away from him.

2489
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, Christian Gonzalez the number one question that I

2490
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 2: also have for them, and hopefully somebody else asks. I'm

2491
01:54:59,040 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 2: not really sure I should be the one.

2492
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 4: But you know, the.

2493
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: The offense in the playoffs, this is a big thing

2494
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: that's been bugging me, like what happened to the offense

2495
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 2: in the playoffs that saw it completely fall off a

2496
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 2: cliff because there's a lot of threads there, like is

2497
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 2: it injuries to Drake May and Will Campbell? Is it

2498
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 2: level of competition with young players playing key roles. Do

2499
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: they think it's gonna get just organically get better? Are

2500
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 2: they in the market for some of these big splash

2501
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,840
Speaker 2: you know, offensive players that we've been talking about, you

2502
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 2: know in AJ Brown, Alec Pierce, you know guys that

2503
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 2: are gonna be up near the top of the market

2504
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 2: if they are available. You know, where where do they

2505
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 2: fall in terms of you know, was it system like

2506
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 2: did something get found out? You know, the systems existed

2507
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 2: for twenty years. So I find it hard to believe

2508
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 2: that all of a sudden, Seattle and Denver and Houston

2509
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 2: have all the answers to the Josh McDaniels offense. But

2510
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 2: just what sort of led to that, I think is

2511
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 2: a question that's been you know, lingering on my mind here.

2512
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest one has got to be,

2513
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, their off season approach and with Christian Gonzales

2514
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 2: and how they're gonna go about that.

2515
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because there's a little bit of a clock

2516
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 1: on it in the sense that you know, the Seahawks

2517
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 1: think are working on an extension with whether Sevin Witherspoon

2518
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 1: and whoever pays their guy first, you know, the second

2519
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 1: guy's gonna up the first guy's contract.

2520
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's gonna cost you money if you wait.

2521
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 1: Now, that doesn't mean you just are gonna you know,

2522
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 1: teams are going to cave initially because you still want

2523
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 1: to you know, negotiate that.

2524
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 3: But there is a little bit of a clock on it.

2525
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to be the Dallas Cowboys letting five

2526
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: other people get paid before it's your turn to pay

2527
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 1: your guy.

2528
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there's also not that it's a decision

2529
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 2: in terms of yes or no without an extension. But

2530
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 2: the fifth year option deadline is also looming for Christian Gonzales.

2531
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 2: Thing that's usually like uh, may I want to say,

2532
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 2: like when they have to decide on.

2533
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 3: It's usually like the Friday after the draft.

2534
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's coming up, and you know, are

2535
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 2: you going to pick up the fifth year option or

2536
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 2: you gonna extend him before the fifty Like all that

2537
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 2: kind of craziness comes into play with all this as well.

2538
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 2: Is there anything else that you know, just in terms

2539
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 2: of like Patriots state of the Union that you're going

2540
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 2: to be thinking of, not so much like the prospects.

2541
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that next week, but Gonzales

2542
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 2: extension was a big one. I think that the McDaniels.

2543
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Offense, digs contract contract, what the ones.

2544
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 3: Like have to be we work Diggs.

2545
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 2: Hunter, Henry's is uh, you know one that is in

2546
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 2: the final year of his contract with no guaranteed.

2547
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 3: And then I think Bradbury too, So just kind of

2548
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 3: that stuff.

2549
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll be back next week. I'll be in Indie.

2550
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 2: We're going to figure out a way logistically to do

2551
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 2: the show. Alex will probably be back here. Uh, doing

2552
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 2: the show from the studio, from the combine, we'll talk

2553
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 2: about all the press conference stuff, but most importantly on

2554
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 2: a show like Catch twenty two, we're gonna talk prospects,

2555
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 2: and we're gonna preview the drills and we're gonna tell

2556
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 2: you all you know, who we're looking for and what

2557
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 2: we're looking for and stuff like that over the weekend

2558
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 2: next weekend to get into the combine. Did you did

2559
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 2: you have a fun break, Alex? It only lasted, but

2560
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 2: here we go. We're back like eight days maybe of easy, Yeah,

2561
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 2: right into the combine. So first world problems when you

2562
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 2: go to the super Bowl. The combine is two weeks later. Yeah,

2563
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 2: so here we go.

2564
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't kidding when he said five weeks behind now

2565
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 1: for the super Bowl.

2566
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 2: No, he's not kidding. And then the combine happens. And

2567
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 2: then I want to say, it's like March ninth or

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Speaker 2: tenth is the legal tampering period. So it's like super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: two weeks, combine, ten days free agency. Let's go. Here

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Speaker 2: we go. We're in the off season. So we'll be

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Speaker 2: back next week on Catch twenty two next Wednesday, from

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Speaker 2: Indie talking Combine, talking Patriots. We'll see you guys then right, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is Deuce.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning into the show. If you really want

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Speaker 2: Also make sure you follow us on a New England

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Speaker 2: Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and everything else

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Speaker 2: that we do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,