WEBVTT - Julian Lennon 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.840 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.200 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan Runts Hog, 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.960 but that's enough about me. My guest today is a 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.200 man of many talents. He's a gifted photographer, filmmaker, and 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.840 author who has raised millions for global charitable causes through 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.840 his White Feather Foundation. He's a man on the move, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.520 but musical talent, you could says in his blood. His 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:30.000 platinum selling solo debut is a lot reached the upper 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.680 echelons of the charts across the globe on the strength 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.760 of melodic maister works like too Late for Goodbyes, Say 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.800 You're Wrong, and of course the title track. A string 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.519 of well loved albums were to follow, with Help Yourself 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.000 being a personal favorite, and now he's gearing up to 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.519 release his first new record in more than a decade. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.080 The album in question is called Jude, named for the 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.959 Beatles classic he inspired as a young boy over half 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.240 a century ago. It helps mark a season of reflection 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.480 for the artist, whose relationship with his familiar legacy hasn't 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.080 always been easy. Earlier this year, he staged the fundraiser 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.920 auctioning n f T s based on memorabilia from his 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.880 personal collection heirlooms to him a musical history for the 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.200 rest of us. Days ago, he stunned fans by performing 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.240 his father's song Imagining publicly for the very first time. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.120 It was part of the Global Citizens Stand Up for 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.040 Ukraine's social media rally campaign, which has already raised ten 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.520 point one billion euros for Ukrainian aid. Though reluctant to 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.200 sing the song for years, the performance proved to be 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.880 a Catharsis forum and a delight for the rest of 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.680 us to say. He's reconciled with his past as a 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.840 little too simplistic, but the joy and lightness of being 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.080 as a parent on Jude, which is due out later 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.160 this year. He announced the album with a stirring double 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.240 a side single, Every Little Moment, backed with Freedom. Both 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.360 are badly needed messages of hope and soulace, much in 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.520 the spirit of Imagine fifty years ago. It's my pleasure 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.600 and privilege to welcome Julian Lennon. I hope you enjoy 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:08.760 our conversation a fraction as much as I do. Well. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.840 It is such such an honor to speak to you. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.040 I've been a fan of yours for for so many years, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.240 and you you have new music on the way, Jude, 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.200 which I've been privileged to hear, and it is just incredible. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.200 Um you had the whole album, yes, and it is 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.360 absolutely remarkable. And it sounds like this album has its 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.360 roots back in in some tapes that date back to 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.880 the vlat era. I think, how did this hold correct 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.960 Jude project begin for you? The jew journey? You know, Listen, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.400 I never stopped doing music one way or another. I 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.720 may leave it alone for a few months here and there, 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.640 or even six months, you know, or even a year sometimes, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.600 but it's always there, you know. And a couple of 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:55.000 years ago, um, I was changing business management, and I 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.760 found that they had boxes, literally boxes in their basement 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.200 of all my earlier stuff, I mean real too reels 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.280 of too Late for Goodbyes, a lot, and um all 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.200 the other demos that we put back together in those days. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.160 I think we were using an old Fostex six track 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.160 or something like that four track I don't even know anymore. Um. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.000 And then I also found a bunch of cassettes, you know, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.280 I mean, okay, let's say not a bunch of hundreds 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:30.440 of cassettes, and that that tapes and the elysis twelve 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:36.160 track tapes and just a whole bunch of stuff, and 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.120 I thought, oh, and they were They've been left just 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.600 in an open dust in the basement, you know, out 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.960 of boxes. This is why, this is why I'm changing 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:52.720 business management right bringing there, So I m and I 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.840 was praying that they were, that they were going to 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.840 be okay, sent them off to you know, I found 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:04.600 that what whichever the top digital transfer company was, they 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.520 baked the tapes and then they transfer all of them, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.680 uh you know into downloadable or c d s or whatever. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:16.440 And fortunately all the stuff in there was was still 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:22.599 listenable and or usable as well. So, um, you know, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.919 I've I've found a lot of stuff in there that 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.440 I'm still catalogic, you know, that potential thing, you know, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.240 good ideas, uh co write ideas this that you know. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.200 But I came across a few of from thirty years 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.080 ago that when I used to live here in l A, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.800 when I used to have a little home studio and 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.760 my garage and and even in my little guest bedroom 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.760 at that time, and uh, there were some tracks there 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.080 that I'd always loved, but they never sat right with 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.359 what I was doing at that particular point in time. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.719 They were kind of I won't say there were one off. 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.320 They were just different grooves and different headspace and they 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.680 just didn't sit with anything I was doing over the 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.640 last thirty years. Um. And so as it was time 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.320 to well, not time, but I was, I was. I 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.719 was planning on, uh, releasing a few things, you know, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.360 singles and EPs. Maybe that was about it wasn't really 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:25.400 planning on an album. And uh so I with my 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.039 old my old, oldest best friend in the world, Justin Clayton, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.719 who co wrote with me on many of the albums 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:38.760 and went on world tours with me. Um, he'd taken 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.359 an engineering course, so we started going through all this 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.000 stuff and it was a lot easier for him to 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.160 catalog this stuff than for me. You know, I'd be there, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.960 but he'd be doing all the text stuff. And we 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.480 realized that some of those songs, like every Little Moment 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.320 and not one Night in particular, were you know and 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.440 love Don't Let Me Down. Uh, you know, it was 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.920 anywhere between thirty I mean a mix between thirty twenty 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:11.920 and ten years of different work and in the process 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.160 of let's say upgrading it, upgrading, the updating the production 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.600 on the tracks, you know, putting new drums with great 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:27.040 drummers on, you know, new keyboards here and there predominantly 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.119 the track within great nick Um like Every Little moment 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:38.320 the verse vocals are from thirty plus years ago. Uh, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.320 same with not One Night, and except the new vogue, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.080 new new vocals which were done about five years ago 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.120 were on the choruses of every Little moment Um. And 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.960 so I started doing a you know, updating a bunch 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.919 of old stuff. But in the process I started playing 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.920 around with new ideas. And what really took a left 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.320 turn with this why us that when COVID hit, Justin 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.080 had to go back to England where he lives. And 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.960 so we were in the middle of doing stuff and 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.480 you know, I think we've finished about five tracks, um 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.400 not mixed, but had ruff mixes. Justin goes back and 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.760 now I'm confronted with the idea that if I want 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.640 to get anything done, I'm probably going to have to 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.120 engineer it myself and do it myself. Um. You know, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.200 we do a bit of the zoom you know, and 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.720 the audio movers, which is so we can play music 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.000 in real time and stuff and hear each other work. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.520 But I took on that I started Freedom in fact, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.960 was the first song that I started to engineer and 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.200 produce myself, just on my own in lockdown. They wondering 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.960 if I can even do it? Yeah, and Freedom came 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.720 out and it had such well I should I say Freedom? 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.640 I I finished Freedom, and I just of the vibe 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.880 that came out of this learning process again of trying 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.559 to create music without really knowing what I was doing, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:14.840 and just engineering my way backwards really into figuring what 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.760 to do, and I think out of doing all of 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.960 these older songs and new songs in roughly the same 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.720 time period over the last three or four years. You know, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.480 there was some semblance of connection there sonically because it's me, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:36.640 but it was really Spike uh Stent that the mixer 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.000 that you know, once I had the framework of the 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.439 album and the list and the tyle, passing it on 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.320 to him one track at a time literally over the 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.200 course of a year, which was to mix it was 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.000 was was you know, an effort in a struggle and 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:58.280 and and difficult. But what I think he brought to 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.800 the table because he has such a specific style too, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.920 was for me, if I thought I got the best 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.040 out of the rough mixes, you know, and I thought 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:15.200 there were nine or ten in my my in my 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:20.480 humble opinion, I think uh, Spike took it up to 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.000 you know, I call what he did a Nigel. He 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:29.960 turned it up to number A Liven literally. So so 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:34.280 there's there's a there's a a soundscape that's now built 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.240 because of the way he's taken what we did justin 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.560 I did in the in the in the production, and 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.120 he's just made it. There's not wall of sand, but 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.480 certainly there's a feel and a flow sonically throughout the 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.640 whole thing, even though there's quite a few different song 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.640 types really you know, I mean there really are. It's 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.320 not like the same theme all the way through, but 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.000 again sonically and because it's me doing it, it's a 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.000 there is a connection all the way through. And because 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.720 of the way the order in which the songs were placed. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.480 Because for me, if you're going to do an album album, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:18.920 uh you know, the idea that we're going to do 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.680 vinyl on this, then that then you have to have, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.040 you know, because the true listeners will play the tracks 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.600 all the way through the way they're meant to be. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 And I you know, I'd like to follow Adele and 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.800 in what she did that. If you're going to listen 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.120 to this album, you're listening to it in this particular order. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.000 And I think that's correct as an artist, you know, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.600 to be able to say, please listen to it the 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.200 way it's meant to meant to be. You know, it's 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.800 sequenced for a reason. You know, we're not just splashing 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.720 paint at the war here. There's this specifics involved here, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.040 you know, in in your emotional journey that you're tasting. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.360 I completely agree. I mean, songs hit you in a 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.679 different way depending on how you're feeling, and the music 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.920 of the prior track will completely influence that on the 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.679 um on the release for this record, you've you've called 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.319 it a coming of age album and hearing you talk 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.640 about sort of the learning of of how to to 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.080 engineer on a song like Freedom Again, was that sort 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.000 of something like that that factor into Was that sort 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.840 of why it feels more of a of a coming 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.719 of age? Not really, to be honest with you, it 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:31.080 was more about, you know, the whole lockdown thing was 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.400 very very heavy. You know, I was I was in 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.720 the South Trench in Monica. It was you know, you 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.520 couldn't leave the house without written paperwork, saying for you 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.800 know that what you're going out for, you were only 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.319 allowed out for one hour, whether that's walking, you know, 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.520 getting some kind of exercise or going to the nearest 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.040 grocery store, and uh, you were only allowed out within 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.440 one kilometer. So it was it was heavy, you know. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.440 The first I loved it because no cars, no noise, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.080 but wind in the trees, peace and quiet. It was 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.080 glorious at first. I really, you know, everybody was panicking 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.400 a little. I don't know, it's quite nice and to 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.120 be to be honest with you, I hadn't stayed home 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.760 for more than a few months at a time anyway, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.360 because they're all was working, traveling, whether it's phot dog 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.080 feed documentaries or whatever, children's consent. You know, the list 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.840 goes on. But this this was very much a moment 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:40.160 of reflection. You know, a lot of the songs. You know, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.439 although I'm i'm i'm I'm putting it out there as 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.920 an idea to people as listeners, but you know, it's 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.880 looking in the mirror. Really, I mean, in all honesty, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.760 it's therapy. It's looking in the mirror. It's asking me 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.200 all those questions that you're hearing about. I mean, that's 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.800 really what this is about. You know. I I always 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.680 write about things that I know or I'm dealing that 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.680 I'm going through. Um, you know, and as I've said 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.400 regarding even every little moment, this is about the internal 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.600 struggles of war that we have with ourselves more than 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.520 anything else. Yes, it reflects upon the world and what 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.360 we have to deal with on the outside, the wars 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.080 that we deal with, But it's mostly about, you know, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.120 if you can fix this first, you know, as they 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.160 always say, you know, you know, if you can fix 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.360 yourself first, if you can love yourself first, then you'll 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.320 be able to love the rest of the world. So 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.840 that is where the basis from all this comes from. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.600 It's just going through that journey on different slightly different 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:49.040 musical styles. But you know, so yeah, that's you know, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.080 That's what I can say really about it in that 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.839 regard that, and also I guess the other thing in 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:02.000 regards to calling it Jude was that, yeah, it's coming 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:07.320 of age. In regards to Dad the Beetle's that song, um, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.600 you know number one, especially with imagine as we might 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.200 talk about. You know, I was fearful. I never said 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.200 I would never sing it. I just said you know, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.800 it'll be one day when the time is right and 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.400 it's appropriate. Um. And so you know a week ago 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:32.680 when I said, yes, okay, now is the time, I thought, oh, b'ga, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.720 how am I going to do this? Yeah, because I 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.040 literally for thirty years been afraid for this moment, that 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.880 moment to come. Yeah, because you know, listen, the media 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.040 has been beating me up for the most part for 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.440 you know, thirty years. Um, and I've just been slowly 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.120 but surely. No, I'm not giving up screwed a lot 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.120 of you. I'm doing I'm doing it this way. This 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.280 is why I Also, I delved into so many other 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:06.440 creative fields because also I wanted a platform of work 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.640 that I knew I was capable of. And you know, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.480 fortunately I've been very I've had a very lucky run 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.680 with the children's books New York Times best seller Would 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.400 Kiss the Ground, the documentary that was Borderline up for 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.760 an Oscar. But I mean we were close, um, um, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.560 you know, and just the White Feather foundational of the 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.640 work that we do on that front. Um. But it 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.680 was about addressing the song you know, hey Jude, um 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.240 and listening to the words and sort of coming to 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:46.560 terms with the words and and finally being finding my place, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.240 especially after doing imagine, at some kind of place of 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.479 peace in my life, i e. Not Being anxious about 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:01.280 being me anymore, not being anxious or afraid being me anymore, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.560 coming to terms with being who I am, and being 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.000 who I am on so many levels is June. So 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.840 I figured here and now this is it. I'm chucking 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.520 it all in in a good way, not throwing it away, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.080 chucking it in and you know, keeping my fingers across 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.440 and or I mean, I've got to say the last 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.720 week ten days has been mind blowing for me because 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:32.400 I've never had such positive across the board response, not 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.200 only to my dad's so I imagine, but but even 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.640 for the two news songs that have just come out, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.680 and and uh, you know, we'll continue to throw things 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.200 out there for for for you know, the next few months, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.880 and then of course kind of autumn time ish will 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.080 be you know, getting the album out there, especially in 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.040 final so you know, it's all good, you know. I 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.480 feel I feel, probably for the first time ever, that 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.840 I can walk around with not being afraid and with 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.040 my head held high, you know, because I've always been 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.080 people have always been kind of weird with me in 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.560 the past, that either staring at you across the room 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.280 or you know, if you go into a particular like 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.359 on the road in the older days, we stopped at 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.359 a diner and you know, they just put Beatles songs 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.879 on to see if I reacted, to see if it 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:34.040 was me. That's terrible. Really, really, that's what you've got, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.000 you know, that's all you've got, said, I used to 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.560 I used to have to deal with that crap all 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.160 the frigging time, so it was so frustrating. But really, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.280 just can't you just come up and say, hey, you Julian, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.840 you know, and it's you know. So anyway, I'm over 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:54.520 all of that now. I think I've laid my foundation 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.840 on many levels of what I do and I'm proud 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.439 to big doing everything that I'm doing now. So it's 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.240 a different it's a different world, you know, I'm feeling 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.040 I'm like, maybe just a little bit of an adult 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.760 I am. I'm so happy to hear you say that, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:20.240 and no, no, but just to hear that that that 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.040 you feel that happiness and you know I was it. Um. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.800 I mean, it's interesting for me to hear to hear 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.000 that you say you were nervous to do that song because, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.920 as as a fan of both yours and your father's, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.320 I think all that we just wanted to to was 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:41.200 it cathartic for you? I suppose is the question? Massively? Massively? 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.600 I mean, this is why I can walk partly half 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.800 the reason why I can walk around with my headheld high. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:52.160 Because you know, again, when I said yes, I thought, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.399 how the brig am I going to do this? How 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.280 am I going to do it? Where it makes sense 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.119 to me, where it's real to me, it's honest and 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.359 truthful from my perspective. Honor him, but do it. I 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.400 have to find my own way. And the first thing 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.120 I thought at the moment I said yes, I said, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.439 I can't do it on piano. Piano gives it a 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.840 certain style of rhythm. It's, you know, a bit of 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.119 a honky donk plunky donk. And I mean, don't get 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.560 me wrong, it's still an incredible, beautiful song in the 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.280 way it was the original, of course, but I needed 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.920 to find a different way. Um and I immediately just thought, okay, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.160 acoustic guitar. Acoustic guitar that changes the field could give 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.480 it not a swing, but a little more looser than 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.199 the original. And I thought, well, okay, who do I know. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.359 That's a great guitarist that I can reach out to 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:47.239 tomorrow for today. Uh and it's free on Tuesday, um 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.359 and um and has a studio and of course no 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.560 bet fot Night had done Karma Police for another charitable 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.959 thing when we were in lockdown, you know, so we 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.400 did the whole video, uh, you know, a continents apart, 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.520 but it worked together, and we worked very well together. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.679 So I got in touch with him, said no, no, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.560 imagine Tuesday acoustic guitar. So he said, yeah, great. He 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.000 just flown in. He'd been in the Azores in Portugal, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:22.000 which is where he's from. And and so I turned 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.560 up in his house and he hadn't even played the 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.080 song through yet, and so I went, you haven't haven't 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.760 rehearsed it? He said no, you know, I figured we'd 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.720 just do it, you know, ok, let's do it now 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.199 because I got to figure out if it's works or not. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:48.359 And anyway, we literally sang it, literally sang it through 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.919 maybe twice, just sitting on the terrace outside, and went, okay, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.399 like that field, let's just do it. And so we 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.359 go in this little studio. I mean, it's a tiny, little, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.520 you know studio, and he laid down just one rough 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.960 of the guitar and I came in sang it about 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:12.600 four times, just picked the best nuances and the most 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.800 honest approach um. And you know, the idea was to 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:23.000 sing it as as as raw as possible, as as 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.680 true to Dad's version as possible, but with my own nuances. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.520 My I said, I tend to sit back when I 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.760 sing rather than being on the beat, so I'm not 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:37.159 a little more loose. I'm not sure if that's the 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.680 right word, but and so you know, and once we've 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.240 done that, I just went, okay, that feels okay, it 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:51.399 feels right. There are imperfections, without questions, but but leieve 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.520 that because it's real, and I don't want that. This 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.360 cannot be a produced thing, you know, it just has 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.800 to be raw me. No, no, thank you very much. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.800 And then I booked a studio the next day for 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:10.000 the idea of a video because we needed one. And 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.960 we go to the studio and there's a great d 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:19.880 op thor who knew brought him with this company, Atlantis, 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.800 and I just said, I was looking for high contrast, 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.679 you know, different dark light, and the manager of the 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:35.119 studio said, we we we've got some candles. He comes 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.680 out with like fifty candles, you know, fake. I said, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.240 can't we get some real ones? So we get the 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.479 real you know, I said, no, you'll burn the place down, okay, 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.119 and understood, I won't burn the place down, but I 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:52.879 know what you're saying. So so I where the studio is, 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.720 Capital Studios. It's Hollywood, you know, I said, listen, there's 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.600 got to be some shops around here to have the flickering, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.600 you know, fake candles too. So I sent my poor manager, 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.440 Rebecca out walking the streets, not in that manner of course, 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:13.280 looking for flickering candles, and she came back with about 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:18.080 another fifty. So, uh, you know, we just laid them down, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.280 turn the lights out, and then I thought that we'd 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.560 have something placed around us for a bit more. Luck 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.439 just used the light of the candle. That was it 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:31.000 the whole thing, um. And luckily with the Capital Studios, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.399 they had about, you know, thirty mic stands which we 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.919 take the candles onto around the room. But at the 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:40.920 end of the day, I mean I think we did 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:45.920 again two or four takes and just cut it together 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.080 and that was it and when we all saw it, 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.680 but you know, the finished thing, we just went that 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.480 you couldn't be more honest or all with the production 0:23:55.560 --> 0:24:00.240 than the way we did it. You know. Anyway, again, Uh, 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.560 the response has just been uh jaw dropping, I mean 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:10.760 truly jaw dropping, so much so that you know, we 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.960 have to release it as a single, you know, I 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.600 mean talk about timing here. I'm trying to release the 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.080 news new music and this thing is getting in the way. 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.600 Only joking, but we have to release it as a 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.960 single soon. We're just putting all the pieces together to 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:32.640 make it work because you know, I mean with everything 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:37.040 going to uh stand up for Ukraine and other refugees 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.119 around the world, so that that's the idea that we 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.119 throw it out there, all the money goes to that 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.160 A S A p M. Because it would be stupid, 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.720 not too so. Not that that's competing with the other work, 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.160 with the other new work. In fact, I think they're 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.840 embracing each other. And that's the kind of feeling and 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.320 response I'm getting, uh, you know from the I'm like, 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.760 I'm looking at all social platforms and just read through 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.240 and I'm like, wow, Okay, this is great. This is great. 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.320 You know, I don't think I've been so widely accepted ever, 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:16.080 So I'm happy with that for a change. And the 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.760 great thing is, you know, if I've gone out, you know, 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.040 out and about, you know, I thought, okay, it might 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.240 be weird and might get botton again. I'm going to 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:30.160 keep the mask on to go shopping in some places 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:36.560 I do. But funnily enough, people, anybody that has running 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.800 to me is just said, love the new stuff, love 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:46.120 the magic. I'm going that's great, thank you on one's 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.119 and upwards. That's what I said. So it's been you know, 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.760 it's been magical. I've said it's been magical, probably for 0:25:52.800 --> 0:26:08.400 the first time I ever like that, so well deserved. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.720 It's a it's a beautiful thing you're doing, and it's 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:15.560 a beautiful version of your dad's song and beautiful new music. 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.000 I mean, I just the new record is just so astonishing. 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:20.879 I wanted to ask you mean you mentioned this earlier 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.440 that you know, you're obviously an incredibly accomplished photographer and filmmaker, 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.960 both art forms that require a gift for observation. I 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:32.200 was wondering if the same applied to uh to your songwriting. 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.920 Do you get more inspiration from looking outward or looking inward, 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:42.680 but both listen. Predominantly the stuff is written about my experiences, 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.320 what I've gone through, what I'm going through. But it's 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.760 of course observation of friends and other people that I 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.280 see what they're doing and what they're dealing with and 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.680 what they're going through. Um, you know, so it was 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.280 both ways. I don't overthink it, you know, just if 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.280 something comes to mind, I'll just run with it and 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.400 try and make it work as a piece, as a poem, 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:12.960 as a song, as a you know, uh uh for 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.240 me again, for me, it has to mean something. It's 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.560 and also with most things I do, you know, I 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.800 look at it like cooking because I'm a closet chere 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.280 uh and ye know, it's about adding the right ingredients 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:33.320 for me, at least for a song. Um yeah, whatever 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:38.560 you're saying lyrically has to have to the sound and 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.000 motion of the track has to The melody has to 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.280 send that same message. The song has the same the 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.760 same message. The music has to say the same message, 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.280 so that if you played the melody or the lyrics 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.399 or the song independently, they would all give you the 0:27:55.440 --> 0:28:00.800 same feeling. And when all those three or whatever amount development. 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.320 When all of that comes together, that's when I get 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.920 goose sponsed to go, oh yes, that feels okay. If 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.560 I feel that somebody else has got to feel that, 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.080 come on please, So that's you know, that's where it's at. 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.960 That's how I how I do think. Is there for you? 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.680 You're gonna hang up on me for asking this question? 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.119 Is there an element of superstition involved for you? Is 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.960 there a time of day that you feel is your 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.199 your your time to write, or a special instrument that 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:28.680 you feel is I don't want to call it a 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.800 lucky instrument, but is there is there some sort of 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:36.320 supernatural element to songwriting for you? Um? With everything I 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:41.080 do again, has it has? Number one? It has to 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:46.600 be organic. Can't be it pushed issue creatively, can't do it, 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.719 don't want to do it. Didn't that if I if 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.440 I try to do that, it doesn't feel real to me. 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:57.760 Uh so yeah, That's why I say that I can 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:03.600 go without, you know, writing and recording for months, you know, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.280 just if it doesn't if it's not doing something for me. 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:09.959 And that's why that's why I'm happy I've found so 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.840 many other outlets Because if that's not working for me. 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.440 Now I'm going to go and do that. Um, I 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.600 need to find one outlet that just says, lie on 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:25.160 the beach, say for for a month, don't do anything, 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.000 give yourself a bloody rest, will you. That's what I need. 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.320 That outlet like on a plane to an island. That's 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.960 what I did with no no stress. At some point 0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.600 I'll get there soon. Would you actually enjoy that? Or 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.640 would you get there and think, okay, all right, I 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:42.959 need to I need to work on a book now, 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.040 or I need to work in a film or something, 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.320 you know. Funnily enough, it's like what I what I 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.960 do love to do is either get on a motorbike 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.760 because I'm a biker, have always been since my teens. 0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.880 Either that or a convertible weather permitting, of course. Uh. 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.720 And I love going for drives, you know. Uh. My 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:10.480 thing wherever I go for for the first time, you know, 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.400 I look at him at once and then throw it 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:18.120 away and then discover where I am and I'll just drive. 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:22.160 I'll take a camera with me. It's like a few 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.239 years ago when I was here and I had an 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.200 afternoon enough and I kept hearing about the Sultan Sea. 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.680 So I just went. I just went for the afternoon, 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.280 drove there, fell in love with it, had my camera 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.680 with me. Now I've got a whole collection of Sultan 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.400 Tea images that I absolutely adore. Almost run out of 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.440 petrol in the mini in the middle of blackness and 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:45.480 was worried that I was going to be taken in 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.800 the back somewhere whatever that means. But you know, fortunately 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.880 I found a guest station. Or I've been running on 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.600 empty for a long time. So I like risks and 0:30:55.760 --> 0:31:01.040 challenge sometimes, you know, I don't. I like again, I 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:05.200 like things happening organically. If it's if it's scheduled or 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.400 it's planned, I'm not really interested, you know. In fact, 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:13.120 I get anxious from planned an organized things. Really truly, 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.480 It's like waking up in the morning. If I if 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.400 I can't wake up naturally, you're going to get me 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:24.280 in a funny mood all day, no alarms. Oh, I agree, 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:30.200 if only, if only? But yeah, you know, that's that's 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.600 the dream when I'm on when I'm on my own 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.200 working schedule, is wake up when you wake up naturally, 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:41.760 and okay, let's go. You know, I I'm not sure 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.960 I might be reading more into this than you intended. 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.520 But I loved the opening track save Me, especially of Jude, 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.120 and I thought it was an interesting sentiment given your 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.280 your previous song and album Help Yourself. I wasn't sure 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.520 quite how much they were in conversation with each other, 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.720 or if there was any connection. It's all in conversation 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:07.200 with each other. I believe you me Um uh yeah, 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.720 I mean again, it's it's all. It's all about looking 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.680 in the mirror and questioning yourself and trying to figure out, 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.840 how do you balance this weird life, this weird existence, 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.120 this weird world. How do you make it work? Where 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.959 you're not? You don't wake up fearful and full of 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:29.800 anxiety every morning, which is something I've lived with for 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:33.960 a long time. There was a few years back before 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.520 COVID that I woke up with pure just fear in 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:42.040 my heart for the day and anxiety just you know, 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:47.080 just what what's going to be thrown at me today. Um. 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.080 But all of the questions that I've presented to myself, 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:54.920 I think I've I've found a pathway through that. I 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.680 can't say specifically what those things are, but a lot 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:02.680 of it comes down to and there won't say specific meditation. 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:06.160 But it's about it's about taking a minute out to breathe, 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.120 you know, to really just say, shut it all out, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:16.080 somewhere nice and quiet and just free focus on the 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.720 moment and that it will go and think about the 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.080 things that are really important and that really matter. And 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.600 when you do that, you realize that the rest really 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.120 doesn't matter. I mean, it does, but not in the 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:32.480 way that it should affect you, you know that. Uh. 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.320 I mean, obviously we were aware of the world around 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.400 us and the problems we face, and the fact that 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.640 it seems that for thousands of years we haven't learned anything, 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.240 which that which is staggering, especially now when we have 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.360 more available means of communication and learning, and we're still 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:57.400 bloody idiots. You know, it's unbelievable. It's mind boggling, you know. 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:03.360 Uh yeah, I'll leave that one at that one. How 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.320 do you quiet your mind though, for those times of 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.520 the day when you're when you're taking a moment to breathe, 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.000 because I'm I know I struggle with that, and I'm 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.319 sure so many other people do as well. But the 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.960 moment that they should be taking to to take and 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.080 have a breath, I think, oh well, I could take 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:18.799 this moment to actually do all the things that are 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.600 stressing me out. And how do you quiet those thoughts 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.319 and actually have that moment be something that replenishes you. 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:30.040 Sometimes it's very difficult, you know. I mean one of 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.200 my results was again as I said, getting in the 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.160 car and going for a drive, putting some music on, 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:42.799 looking at some different scenery. Um, that ninety of the 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.160 time works. But there are some times that it just 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:51.840 that anxiety of that fear just doesn't disappear. And I think, again, 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.200 as you just mentioned, I think doing stuff, getting the 0:34:56.320 --> 0:35:02.239 list out of the way, whatever that says, whatever it 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.720 means on a personal or working level or business level, 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:11.480 or again looking in the mirror and just going okay, okay, yeah, 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:19.120 talking sense into yourself sometimes you know. Um, but I think, yeah, 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.960 I you know, I think it's not This is why 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:27.440 I'm such a doer, is because because if I don't 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:32.200 get things done, you know they're on the list, then 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.240 it stresses me out. You know, it just does. It's 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:40.279 an accumulative thing that can build to horrific levels. But 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.640 you know, this is why I like to call Monday 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:53.880 second Sunday. I'm taking that that's good because no question 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:58.240 about it. Even if I tell everybody to leave me alone, 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.960 somebody will be touched with me about work over the weekend. 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.880 And so funnily enough, I try as much as I 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.080 can to block out Monday so that it becomes it 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.240 really becomes you know, the world's open and doing stuff, 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.640 but I have time to breathe and do things, and 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.400 then Tuesday come into it full time. And you know, 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.200 isn't there this whole new thing. At least the Japanese 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.279 have been doing it for a long time, you know, 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.480 And a lot of companies are considering this is making 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.960 it a three four day work week, because not only 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.239 does this allow you a greater amount of rest of 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:39.400 breathing and time with your family, living, et cetera. But 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.879 you know it it distresses people because you know, we've 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.840 a weekend is a spec in the in the moment 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.520 of time, and all we do is we're working. We're 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.120 just bloody working non stuff. And then you you know, 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.759 you're you're supposed to retire it whatever, age sixty six, 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:01.799 and then you've got, you know, a few years left 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:07.920 to enjoy what you know, you're falling down. You you 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.640 can't see anything or hear anything anymore. What's that about? No, 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.240 So you know, and also they've they've proved that work 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.960 efficiency is through the roof when people have more time 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.480 with their friends and family and have moments to enjoy life. So, 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.120 you know, people and then you're determined that you have 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.560 this time period, which just go for it. And I'm 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:34.120 kind of borderline that, you know. So, um, it works. 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.839 It's working for me, that's for sure. You know. Uh. 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.640 Obviously there are schedules sometimes that you can't change, but 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.279 for the most part, you know, I can get my 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.640 second Sunday. I'm going for it. You know, this either 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.000 feels like a very appropriate or very inappropriate segue. But 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.760 but do you have plans to do? You have plans 0:37:53.800 --> 0:38:00.479 to to toward you? Um? Are you listening? Thought about 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.600 it for years again, um. But the thing was that 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.400 I again I said to myself anywhere I really got 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.560 on the road again. I came up with an idea 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:14.760 literally about twenty years ago. A friend of mine and I, UM, 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.960 I wanted to do things differently, and so I thought, 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.880 you know, we're also tied in with the White Feather Foundation, 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:27.960 So I thought, okay, performing arts centers different cities around 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.640 the world, I'm not one that likes to go out, 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.120 you know, repeatedly and just doing that. I don't. I 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.160 don't have that interest or drive. I'd rather be going 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.919 to Africa and taking photographs, you know, and seeing new 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:47.799 worlds and and meeting new cultures. So, you know, I 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:52.439 think we will get around too, probably next year. There's 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.560 a few things coming up this year that are like 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.960 one off with charity with orchestras that that we're looking 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:03.320 at right now. Um But I do like the idea 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:08.520 of doing something in in in UH again in performing 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.800 arts theaters with partial or full orchestra, you know, tied 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:17.040 in with White Feather Foundation, UM, tied in the idea 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:22.520 making that we raise the issues, the biggest issues of 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.640 the problems in each of the location we've played and 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.520 we do the idea is to involve local TV and 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.600 radio competitions for the best artwork, the best photography, that 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:39.239 and the other, and that the work UH that is 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:45.200 sent in is judged and by a panel, and that 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.799 in the foyer of the places and cities that we 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.840 play is the best of the best of the local 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:57.200 art scene, from photography, sculptures to you name it. So 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:04.960 um so making the competition through radio, through TV, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:09.000 to to involve all of the local community and make 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:13.560 it you know, I think, rather than just hello, tor 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:18.360 bus rolls in. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's that's 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:22.520 my idea of doing something a bit more special, a 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.640 bit more unique, and a bit more different and uh 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.560 and doing good for the local community at the same time. 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.440 A few years back, you had um an exhibit of 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.239 your your i'll call umn your family heirlooms in Liverpool 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.800 for the White Feather Foundation. Do you have any plans 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.440 to do that in the States. I know there was 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.960 some complecations there, I think, Well, I mean COVID was accomplicated. Well, yeah, 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.640 that is also smaller. I you know, I collected a 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.640 fair amount of memorabilious stuff over the last thirty years, 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:17.799 predominantly uh Dad's stuff that was linked to me in 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.000 a very personal way, and it was more about collecting. 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.839 But I still plan to have a family one day 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.600 and just haven't found the right loony to hang with 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:35.960 just yet. Um. But she's out there somewhere. Um. But yeah, no, 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.040 it was it was about you know, heritage and legacy 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.279 and passing that on too. Hopefully my kids one day, 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:47.520 whenever that happens. But I haven't given up hope. But anyway, 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.680 so that was what it was all about. Original and 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.680 then there was a few people's items that one. But 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.560 that's an expensive world now, you know. Again, people think 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.160 that I've had a lot of money from the get go, 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.719 but I mean, I you know, when we were moms separating, 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.080 you know, we've got a little something. But anyway, it 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.200 doesn't cover the cost of a memorabilia, that's for sure. 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.759 So uh yeah, I've got a good collection together. And 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.080 we did tour it a little bit, as you said, 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.880 in Liverpool, which was great, probably the best spot for 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.399 it at that time ever really, and then a few 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.400 other countries and and I had plans to bring it 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.080 out here from museum, a couple of museums we were 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.960 talking to um and then you know, COVID and a 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.000 few other issues came into play as well. And I 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.400 so this is why the whole n f T thing 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.440 came out of it. I said, Okay, what's another way 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:49.719 of sharing what I have. I can't I can't tour 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.600 this stuff. And I hated being locked up in just 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.720 a vault, in a bank vault somewhere, what's the point 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.040 in having it, you know, So okay, this is another way, 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.320 it's another artistic platform. You know, we're the proportion go 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.280 to White Feather Foundation to that being the main thrust 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.360 and crups behind this because then I can keep working 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.399 on all the u because we only go through uh 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.840 a White Feather We just don't. We survived through donations 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.360 from the public, so we don't have any major sponsors 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.799 this that ne other. It's the people out There's the 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.640 fans out there that keep us alive and doing all 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.840 the good work that we do. So um, yes, so 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:33.719 the n f T thing came along. I think I'll 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.120 probably do a couple of more tied in with with 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.200 with some of the stuff I'm doing now. Who knows 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:45.080 what else. You know, we're just talking, but you know, 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.560 there are there's some great, great possibilities out then. Of 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:52.200 course I welcome the idea of being able to to 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.239 to tour that show, you know, in a couple of 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.880 cities through the US and around the world. So you know, 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.480 it's it's on a list. It's just had my hands full. 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.359 So you know, well we'll get to it. We'll get 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.080 to it. Oh, the n f t s were so interesting. 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.680 You you have such an incredible collection. I loved that 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.400 that Les Paul with the ruby glued to it and 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.640 the plague. I mean, how cool is that that was? 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.279 I mean I hadn't seen I hadn't seen that like 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.239 twenty years because it was in a bloody voult, you know, 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.600 just keeping safe. I didn't want to keep it at 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.759 home because then who knows what can happen then? And 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.440 but yeah, and I like the thing with the n 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:36.960 F T s. I did want to make it different 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.000 from anybody else. But thought, okay, well you can't just 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.840 have a picture just spinning right. What they all was 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:47.799 that I wouldn't want that. So I thought, okay, what 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.800 would I want? Okay, how about it a bit? But 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:55.080 the background story, right, you know, not only you know, 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.480 just write a piece about what it means, where it 0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:02.799 came from, what the think is to me, and let 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.799 me read it. And so that's where they took on 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.880 a whole new platform for me and a whole new idea. 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:13.719 Is making it far more interesting for me as far 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:17.799 as NFPs go. There's having that one off vocal experience 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:23.239 on each of the items. Um. But but also you know, 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.480 tying in white feather in such a way that that 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:31.120 as long as that was perpetually, you know, making money 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.920 from sale or resale or whatever, white feather would survive, 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.600 you know, which is partly what it's all about. This 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:40.840 is an unfair question. But is there is there a 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.520 favorite of yours in your in your collection of is 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.359 there one piece that that means means the most too? 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.880 Are just is your favorite for any other reason? I 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.840 mean I loved all the guitars because I used to 0:45:51.880 --> 0:46:00.320 play them, yeah thirty years ago. Um uh, But I 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:07.279 probably the afghan coat because it fits me. I want 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.640 a picture of that maybe all right, we'll see about 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:18.200 that one. I'll make a guess, children with clothes on underneath. 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.600 So yeah, because there are you know, there are pictures 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.160 of me sitting with dad, you know, with the afghan 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.319 coat on the back of the chair, you know, from 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:36.239 Magical Mystery Tour and you know all of that Stuffinitely 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.120 are I think anywhere I'm the Wars. I'm not sure 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:43.200 I think it did, but anyway, all that kind of Yeah, 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.319 So that one's quite special because you see him wear 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:50.799 it a lot throughout certain films and pictures over the 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:55.319 period that time. Period I read. I don't know if 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.880 this is true that, Um, your your picture of Lucy 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.680 in the sky with diamonds is owned by Dave Gilmour. 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:04.839 Is that is that true? Do you know where that's at? 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:06.880 I don't know where that's at. Oh yeah, I know 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.799 whether I know where that's up. Yeah. I asked him 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:18.759 for it back, UM, to be honest with you. Uh yeah, 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:22.120 And I've said this to Mom. I said, is it 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:27.200 and she went, I don't think so. All right, okay, 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:32.520 because I I don't remember specifically what that during was. Uh. 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.160 I thought personally, I thought it was a different one 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:42.719 another one. Um, all right, yeah, I was held. So 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.800 I've no idea. We'll get a rock and rock and 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:49.600 roll Indiana Jones going in on this case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:54.320 good luck. I heard that that you seem poised to 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.719 pursue a theater track and you would offer to offer 0:47:56.800 --> 0:48:00.160 a scholarship to uh Shakespeare Repertory Theater. When when did 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.200 music overtake the urge to be in theater for you? 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:09.200 And it was probably in the same h literally the 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.359 same time, friend, because at the school that I used 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.520 to go to in the world, which is twenty minutes 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.719 away from Liverpool where I used to live with my 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.759 mom and my grandmother. Um, at the end of each year, 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:26.040 you do a performance. You know, there'd be a performance 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.440 of some sort and one part of it was theater 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.560 or or any artistic creativity that you kind of come 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.600 up with. And so I my best friend, Justin Clayton 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:43.000 again had been taking uh guitar lessons from our gym 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:46.560 teacher who was a rock and roller still around Mr 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.880 wind Uh and you had, you know, grease back d 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:54.480 a head. You know, we're walking around school like that, 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.600 and we're going and then on the break school breaks, 0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:01.040 you know, between lessons or if you have it, he 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.640 would teach people, you know, rock and roll on on 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:08.560 acoustic guitar. I mean, I mean, I have to admit 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.640 half the Magic Dragon was the first song we learned. 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:18.080 But but it did move quickly into you know, uh, 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.719 actually a lot of Chuck Berry track, roll Over Beethove 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.960 and and uh, well but let's go on uh and 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.279 quite a few other rock and rollers. And so we 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:31.960 got to a point where there was a few of 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:36.400 us but we said let's and I think any I 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.640 think we were thirteen or fourteen. It was the same 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.320 time at the end of the year, I was in 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.920 a place, one of the places, and we were also 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.040 performing at the first time, for the first time ever, 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:55.359 and so you know, I think I sang a couple 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.640 of songs, justin sang a couple of songs. Yeah, it 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.959 was a real rough rough Randy's little bands year old. 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:08.840 But um, once you get that, like most musicians say that, 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:15.080 that feedback, instantaneous feedback from the audience, you know, cheering 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.080 and clapping and all that. After a three and a 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.760 half minute song, you just go, why do anything else? 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:27.640 So that was it? That was That was literally it, 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.680 Why do anything else? That? This is fun? Yeah, that 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.360 was it. I feel like for for anyone who really 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:38.359 loves music, there's a crucial moment when they when they 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.960 discover songs for themselves. It's not something that they heard 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.400 through their parents or somebody else. There's a band that 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.960 they like that that's there's that's you know, really feels personal. 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:49.200 Who was that for you? I know you've talked about 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:51.319 Keith Jared and Steely Dan of cour were some other 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.400 people that really like made you fall in love with 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:57.520 music and something that was really belonged to you. Well, 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.920 I mean, I you know, in the earlier teen years. 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:04.879 I was very much a rocker. You know, my my 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:08.880 bands at that time were were I mean, the Beatles 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:14.319 were in there somewhere, but predominantly I was listening in 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:21.160 my youth, my early leather jacket biking youth were you 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.120 know a C d C. That was the first band 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:26.680 with Bond Scott. So that's the first band I ever 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:33.719 went to see. What Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:36.240 smoke in theaters and I was a heavy smoker even 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:42.040 at sixteen. Uh and uh and I'm clean as a 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:50.560 whiffle now, but yeah, bomb brain Dead, Okay, Angus was 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:54.320 sitting on bond scott shoulders. You know. Well, Angus is 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.000 soloing around the aisle. I remember running out and touching, 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:02.600 because that's what you did, touched your hero. Uh, touching 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.200 Pont's got an anger with my cigarette hand of course, 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.560 and then that being knocked into me and burning me. 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:13.319 So that was great of a very vivid memory of that. Uh. 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:17.680 The other band that that was an early one for 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:22.680 me was Rush. I loved Rush because of their They're 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:27.239 insane chord changes and melodies and melodies, and I mean 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:30.120 they're playing alone. I mean Neil Pert was just like 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.920 you know, I mean they were, they were all amazing 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:39.520 and I you know, the very serious h exams that 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:41.480 you have to do in England were at your O 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.120 levels and then your A levels. On the night of 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:49.719 my own levels, I was at Rush and then don't 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.320 kids don't do this home? And then turned up in 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:57.480 school going what are we doing today? Hence why I 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:02.080 have so many qualifications? What Toro was a permanent wave story, 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.920 you know whatever. Whenever I was seventeen. I couldn't even 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:07.440 tell you at this point, but I was one of 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.520 the first there. I was right the change, you know, 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:13.799 on the to the left side at the front of 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.640 the stage and uh yeah, then climbed back in the window, 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.719 you know, in the middle of the night. Yeah for 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.359 that being caught, I don't even think Mummy about that. 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:30.240 Some things are not meant to be talked about. Uh so. Yeah. 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:33.640 But aside from that, yeah, I mean I really did 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:36.080 get stuck at well. Led Zepp used to be an 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:42.000 absolute favorite. Um, I mean, Ronnie James, d O Black Fabbits, 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:46.120 you know, the list goes on. Uh and but then 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.759 you know, with the likes of Rush really taking me 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.879 on a slightly different journey than hearing stuff like Keith 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.279 Jarret my Clone concert, I just went to really do 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:59.080 because I started at that time. Mom Mom bought me 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:03.000 a piano for my I think sixteenth birthday, sixteenth or seventeen, 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.839 and I used to compose these twenty minute long instrumental 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:11.560 pieces just by ear. And then you know, I heard 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.319 about Keith Jared and I I went, oh, God, there are 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.400 guys that do that. But obviously I thought at that 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.520 time that if I wanted a career, and you know, 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.920 I'm not going to be a jazz classical player like 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.840 him and improv player, although I could have become that 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.120 if pushed that, but I thought, yeah, you know, I 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.960 wouldn't try writing song songs. So it was it was 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.000 because I used to write these long pieces. The idea 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:41.120 of editing that down to three to five minutes it 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:44.000 was a bit of a nightmare. So it was. It 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.200 was a self taught learning process of how to chop 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:51.520 those kind of chords into songs like this. And that's 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:56.160 why I've always looked for the unexpected chord to move 0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.960 to next and or melody. I mean, there is some 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.600 sense in of regularity and rock and roll that you 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.120 can only have so many chords. But I do try 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:09.319 and write, try to write interesting passing chords or melodies 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:12.839 that are not the norm. Because the moment I hear 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:17.000 something in the world i'm writing that sounds anything like 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:21.319 anybody else's, I've got to move away from that immediately. 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:26.560 Uh yeah, Okay, obviously there are sometimes you just can't 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:30.319 avoid that, but I try my best too. But yeah, 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:39.000 clone concert, Keith Jarrett Steely, Dan again, melody melody, melody music. Uh, 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:45.080 just presence they're playing their technique. Uh again. Not that 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:50.040 I've mentioned this too often before, but actually, you know, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:54.680 people say, yeah, come over and jam. No, I'm not 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.880 coming over and jam um. I can barely remember not 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.800 my name or the three or four chords of stand 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:06.279 by Me. Here's Here's the reason why is because I'm 0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:10.080 not a practicing musician, you know. I my sole purpose 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.960 in life is not to be a musician. There are 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:17.480 too many other creative outlets that I love. So the 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.600 thing is, so I don't sit there playing every day 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.800 at all. I sit there to discover and write songs 0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:25.640 I played by ear and I don't know what I'm 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.360 doing at the time. And I had this one occasion 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:33.560 where I had this complex twenty minutes piece and Herbie 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.719 Hancock came to the house and I said, will you 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:41.600 do pay this piece professionally? He said, what is that card? 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:45.799 I'm going I don't know. I don't know. How come 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.480 you don't know what it is? What the fucking jazz 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:52.080 masters is? My friend? You know you're the master on 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:56.759 anyway major seven flat nine with a thing of the base. No, 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.120 I don't know what that is. I don't want to 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:00.960 know what that is because if I knew, then it 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:05.360 wouldn't be a mystery to me. And mystery um so, 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.479 so he said, George, you have to learn to read 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.280 and write music so you can translate between your musical 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:12.480 partners that don't want to. I'm not going to do 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.640 that because then I would know what I'm doing, and 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.320 I don't want to know what I'm doing. That's about 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:20.480 That's I think I've done the same thing with every 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:24.040 creative outlet that I've gone into. Not a brigging clue. 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:28.760 That's why I have imposter Uh what's the impostor syndrome? 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:32.280 You but why how for all you've accomplished and achieved? 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.960 But yeah, this is why I'm you know, it's what 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:39.120 do you call it an overachieve or not, but it's 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.560 part of that. Yeah, I feel like I don't you know, 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:43.960 this is why I'm trying to find my way and 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.880 I do all this stuff. It's because I don't know 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:53.240 who knows. Um. So yeah, so I I can't just 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:56.240 be given in the guitar and told to play a song. 0:57:56.880 --> 0:58:00.160 Don't do it. It's never appealed to me that to 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.760 do that. I don't know why. I'm a little jealous 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:06.280 of real players, but I just I'm too busy with 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:10.400 all the other crap that's going on in my head. Um, 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:15.240 And you know, people think, oh, such a diesel. Now. Literally, 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:20.439 I can't remember my own bloody lyrics for christ if 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:23.080 I'm not and I'm not judging, if I have to 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.600 go and play a show or I have to go 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.360 and rehearse, I don't know what chords I'm playing, I 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:31.080 don't know what the lyrics are. Again, have to rehearse 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.120 like anybody learning the song for the very first time. 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.280 I have to do that. So when when when the 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:41.520 idea of playing live, going on tour is an idea 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.600 that's a very big consideration for me. It's because it's 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.240 not just getting up there and doing it. I've got 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:52.160 to relearn every song I ever wrote, and you know, 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:56.120 in every way. So it's just it's it's a big 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.000 thing for me to do that because again I'm one 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:02.760 of these people that I do something right, record that, 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.440 put it away, put it out next, I'm onto the 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.000 next thing. I don't want to be there anymore. I'm 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.880 over there already, you know. So that's that's who I 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:15.640 am and where my head is at. I don't want 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.600 to stay still for a second. I might miss something, 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:22.040 you know, owards that's that's really me. That's it in 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:27.600 a nutshell, nutshell well that is I think a beautiful 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:29.160 note to end on. I want to let let you 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.000 get to your get to the next thing that you 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:33.760 need to move on to. But just thank you so 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:36.400 much for your time today, and most importantly, thank you 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.000 for your music. I've been a huge fan and it's 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.600 such an art to thank, a real pleasure. I hope 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:47.000 to see you in person one day. We hope you 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.720 enjoyed this episode of Inside the Studio, a production of 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.880 I Heart Radio. For more episodes of Inside the Studio 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.960 or other fantastic shows, check out the I Heart Radio app, 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:58.880 Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast