1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. Am Holly 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And we talked about 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: Jean Hugeen all week we did. He's one that I 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: feel like people who are not into magic go, who again, 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: People that like magic at all, go, oh, really you're 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: reading a book about him. Um, So that's been fun 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks. Hopefully any magic fishonautos 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: in the audience were not chagrined by our coverage. We 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: didn't miss any big so there are a lot of 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: his his tricks that are famous that we didn't get 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: to because there's just a lot of them. Um. One 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: thing I did want to mention, though, He used to 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: do a trick called the obedient clock, where he would 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: like command the clock to do things. Not the same 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: as the magic clock, just in case anybody looks it 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: up and gets confused. Magic clock, small actual clock sounds 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: really cool and they are. They're beautiful and actually um 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: in the I think it was the nineteen eighties. I'm 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: pulling this out of memory, so take with grain of 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: salt any years that I quote, But I think it's 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, Cartier did a series like they made a 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: series of magic clocks, and they were very, very similar 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: in design to the ones Roberry had done, And like 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I remember reading newspaper articles about how does this clockwork 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and being like, it's actually a very old invention. But yeah, 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: I mean, if you you can still, if you have 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: deep pockets, occasionally find a Roberto Damn magic clock available 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: at auction. They're going to go for tens of thousands 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: of dollars um and possibly more, but they're so cool. 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: One of the things that I want to talk about 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: because we mentioned one of his inspirations Monsieur Comte, who 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: was a performer in Paris, and his ventriloquism, which was 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: not like a ventriloquist act like with a doll like 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: we would think about today. It was more like his 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: He would make like the walls talk or voices come 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: from nowhere. But this also kind of speaks to the 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: idea of the shift that Roberto dn wanted to make 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: in terms of not being pranky in his act but 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: being like more presentational, because like Compton had this act 41 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: called the Lame Devil, and basically it was this voice 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: disembodied voice that would be flung around the theater, and 43 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: it would ask really pointed and embarrassing questions about people 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: in the theater, like as though he had gleaned some 45 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: sort of information about them somehow. It would also, like, 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, just sometimes blab weird allegedly relatively innocuous secrets 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: about people. Which makes me think then about his brilliance 48 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: as a business manager, because you remember we talked about 49 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: his little cafe that would let you bypass the line, 50 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, how much were his like wait staff 51 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: and bartenders reporting on conversations they overheard to be, Like, 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: by the way, that guy with the green handkerchief, I 53 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: don't know stole something I heard him tell his friends, 54 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: or really loves the color pink. I don't know anything. Um, 55 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I wonder about that. We don't. I don't know where 56 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: how that flow of information happened, but he clearly was 57 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: getting information about people. That makes me one it's a 58 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: little sneaky, but too, I'm like, he really was quite 59 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: an astute business man. He had a whole system set up. Um. 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: When I look at the career of Roberto and how 61 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: much people have lauded him for a long time as 62 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: like the father of modern magic. And then I look 63 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: at you know Houdini, being like, no, he wasn't. I 64 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: have to think some of it was just the fortune 65 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: of time and place right like, Um, he was building 66 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: on all that had come before, but because he was 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: living in an age where more information was recorded and 68 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: shared than ever before, his is the prevalent version of 69 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: any of those tricks, etcetera that we would have found, 70 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: unless you're a Houdini who devotes your life to digging 71 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: through weird archives in small towns across Europe. Fascinating. Um. 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: I do highly encourage people to go just set aside 73 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: a half an hour or an hour of your life 74 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: while you're having a coffee or a cordial or whatever 75 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: you enjoy, and go looking for people doing some of 76 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: his tricks today, because they are quite charming. The orange 77 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: tree is really beautiful. Yeah, it's just I mean, no 78 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: part of me thinks it's magic, but I sure do 79 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: like seeing how exquisite that clockwork is. I mean, it's 80 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: very very pretty. Um. There is another story that he 81 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: told that I did not put in the episode because 82 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: it's a little long. Ish didn't quite go but was like, oh, 83 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that being part of the job, 84 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and might be part of why he was like, after 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: eight years, I don't want to do this anymore, which 86 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: is that even though he never he was very adamant, 87 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: he would never claim to have special powers or to 88 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: be a sorcerer, other people sure thought he did, and 89 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: this sometimes led people to make very uncomfortable requests of him, 90 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: and he mentions in his memoirs that at one point, 91 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: the first time it happened, a young woman had come 92 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: to him and said that she had given her heart 93 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: to another, had received it in return, but had since 94 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: found out that there was infidelity of some sort, and 95 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: she really, really really wanted Robert den two conjure some 96 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: sort of spell, either for revenge or to make this 97 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: man in her life be faithful. And Robert and is like, 98 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, you don't really understand the nature of 99 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: my work. I am a performer. I'm not actually a sorcerer. 100 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: And she was not having it, and eventually um revealed 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: that she had a knife and was going to stab 102 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: him if he did not perform a love spell for her. 103 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: He was like, I suddenly changed my tune. It was like, oh, 104 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: of course, I have been lying to you and I 105 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: have a love spell ready here. Um. But he talked 106 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: about that being so jarring, but also that that was 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: not the only time it happened. That kind of thing 108 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: would continue to happen to him. I don't think it 109 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: was always at knife point, but like, because he had 110 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: this whole act based on illusion, a lot of people 111 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: thought that he could do things for them, and desperate 112 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: people would come to him for help, and sometimes he 113 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: would just go along with it because otherwise he was 114 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: never going to get out of the moment. This is 115 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: a very interesting thing. That's your stage play right there. Yeah. 116 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: I could see where I wouldn't want to do that 117 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: job for very Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm going back 118 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: to blab. I want to sit in the countryside and 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: hang out with my family and yeah. So Algeria. Yeah, 120 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: it's like the secret. We say it all the time. 121 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: We talked about it constantly. How every delightful story then 122 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: has this like surprise gross races. Yeah, there it was, 123 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and it really is interesting because I mean, that's a 124 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: story that's written about a lot. Like I actually found 125 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: an article that was written for The New York Times 126 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: in by teller of Penn and teller relaying the whole thing, 127 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: and it really doesn't have the level of appreciation for 128 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: nuance that one would have thought would be going on, 129 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: which is interesting to me. And there are a lot 130 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: of listicles you will stumble across where it's like Roberto, Dad, 131 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: stop to war, and none of them really seemed to 132 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: take into account that, like he shouldn't have. I mean, 133 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: I certainly don't want nobody wants bloodshed, but like those 134 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: people had every to feel like they needed to take 135 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: their country back, right, that never seems to come into play, 136 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: And I'm like, hello, there are various historical stories about 137 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: somebody using magic or the prediction of an eclipse or 138 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: whatever to further the subjugation of people who are being 139 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: colonized or invaded or whatever, and like some of them 140 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: are fairly well documented. Seems like this, okay, this did 141 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: really happen, but like the presumption that it is based 142 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: on always strikes me as as racist, like yeah, and 143 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: and so and all of every time I find one 144 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: of these stories, now it bothers me. Even if it's 145 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: like and here's the documentation of what really happened, and 146 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: this really did play out really that way, and I 147 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: was like, the fact that that's how they approached it 148 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: at the beginning is racist, right, well, and most of 149 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: the time that documentation is usually only from one side, right, 150 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: it does not take into account the perception from the 151 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: other side of the conflict, which is weird. That does 152 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of leading back to I really the moment that 153 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I think I want to make this 154 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: a two parter was that P. T. Barnum right up 155 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: about was was not was really quite generous with his 156 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: competitors and colleagues, and not this wheedling, you know, very 157 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: cutthroat man the Houdini kind of portrays him as. And 158 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: that of course makes me think a lot about Houdini's 159 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: perception of him. And I guess I mean he he 160 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: brings the receipts, He's like, no, no, here are all 161 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: the times that these things happen. And this performer claimed 162 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: that those were his original tricks. I feel like that's 163 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: not that great as sin. But you know, it's not 164 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like he was link from like other people working at 165 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: the time, although there are some people do think he 166 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: may have been pulling tricks from other people, but there 167 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: were certainly other people pulling tricks from him. As well, 168 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: so I'm but it seems almost more like that is 169 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: to some degree. And again, I mean, who do any 170 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: weigh into his research and a man that that um 171 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: was very careful about documentation in particular. I mean we've 172 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: talked about that in the Rose Mackenburg episode also. But 173 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: it does make me think, like, how much of this 174 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: book is driven by the fact that it broke your 175 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: heart to find out that your hero was not who 176 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: you imagined him to be when you were a kid. 177 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know that's pure speculation on my part. 178 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't I'm literally asking the question. I don't know 179 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: that that's what's involved there. But he seems so vehemently 180 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: ready to take him down, although even he in some 181 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: phrasing is like, well, but he was the first person 182 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: to put all of this together this way, and that 183 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: was really what made him good at it, Like that's 184 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: what made that's what cemented him as an important part 185 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: of the history of magic, which I think is a 186 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: not inconsequential thing. Right to be the first person who goes, no, 187 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this trick, but I'm doing it this way, 188 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: getting rid of this weird extraneous fluff. I'm not dressing 189 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: as a wizard. I'm going to make this so much 190 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: a much classier affair. I'm going to custom build a 191 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: theater to do it in. I mean, his was not 192 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the only one that had ever been made, for sure, 193 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: but uh, it does seem like he just he was 194 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: able to um mary and integrate a lot of different 195 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: things that were good in other acts and make something 196 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: special out of those pieces with his own personality and charm. 197 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: It's just a I was very happy to discover that 198 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: he was not a weasel. He could have literally said, 199 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: I have thirty more automota here at the booth. You 200 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: can I for X amount, but instead he said, hey, 201 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: let me show you the other people working in this field. Right. 202 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: It really did shift my perception of what was going 203 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: on a lot. And then there are a lot of 204 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: accounts that in his retirement as well, he was very 205 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: generous and kind to people. And he may have been 206 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: a weasel, but he seems like most people liked him. 207 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: That's my Roberdan thing. Um magic is very very fun 208 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: and I love the history of magic. Uh. And I 209 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: know I've been a little Hoodini obsessed lately, so uh, 210 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: maybe not for a minute. Although we're going to talk 211 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: about that revolutionary calendar. We you and I have had 212 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: discussions about that behind behind the behind the scenes. Yes, yeah, 213 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: you can expect that episode in some form um because 214 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I literally was reading it and going, oh my gracious, 215 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: no wonder people didn't know when their kid's birthday was. 216 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to figure that out either, So 217 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: look forward to that. 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