Speaker 1: A group of high school student High school.
Speaker 2: Students Elizabethan High School students started a project to research.
Speaker 3: A string of unsolved murders.
Speaker 2: Their research led to the identification of the killer. Investigators
Speaker 2: now have an answer to a thirty four year old question.
Speaker 1: Once you start getting a few tips, or a few
Speaker 1: leads or.
Speaker 4: Few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore.
Speaker 1: There's a pretty good chance he's still alive.
Speaker 4: Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out
Speaker 4: to be accurate.
Speaker 5: Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother,
Speaker 5: right handed, IQ above one hundred, most likely heterosexual.
Speaker 4: There is no profile of this killer except for the
Speaker 4: ones the students created.
Speaker 6: Just because some of these women no longer have people
Speaker 6: to speak for them does not mean that they deserve
Speaker 6: to not.
Speaker 1: Be so anymore.
Speaker 7: What if this guy's still alive? Like, what if becomes
Speaker 7: after us?
Speaker 1: I consider you're gonna kill me?
Speaker 4: He's a year.
Speaker 2: This is Murder one oh one, Season one, episode nine,
Speaker 2: Studying Up. I'm Jeff Sheen, a television and podcast producer
Speaker 2: at KAT Studios with Stephanielyidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arno.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, I came across a story about a
Speaker 2: group of high school students who set out to investigate
Speaker 2: a series of unsolved murders in their community. It was
Speaker 2: an incredible story that here at KAT Studios we felt
Speaker 2: needed to be explored further.
Speaker 6: All Right, So this morning, me and Marley are just
Speaker 6: sitting here in my car.
Speaker 7: It is seven fifty two, six fifty two.
Speaker 6: It is six fifty two in the morning, and we're
Speaker 6: just sitting here talking about different stuff. And we're about
Speaker 6: to go in here and meet with mister Campbell, and
Speaker 6: we're actually gonna get to present to a former FBI
Speaker 6: behavior analysis, which is really cool, and talk about the case.
Speaker 7: So we're just really looking forward to that.
Speaker 6: It's kind of crazy because we went to a bunch
Speaker 6: of football games together and thinking about Elizabeth Lamont, one
Speaker 6: of the potential victims of Jerry Leon Johns. She actually
Speaker 6: went missing from a football game, and we went to
Speaker 6: numerous football games together and not really how to care
Speaker 6: in the world, but it just happens as quickly as that.
Speaker 6: So it's really crazy to think about the connection we
Speaker 6: have with these girls because we are young females and
Speaker 6: majority of these women were young women, and we're very
Speaker 6: close with in age and lifestyle. Even you know, this
Speaker 6: could be any of us or any of our friends,
Speaker 6: and that is.
Speaker 7: Really crazy to think about.
Speaker 6: So we really feel connected with this case, these cases,
Speaker 6: and we really feel like these women deserve justice because
Speaker 6: this could easily be.
Speaker 7: One of us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's sometimes you don't really think about, like
Speaker 8: when you're in the moment at the football game, you're
Speaker 8: not really worried about stuff like that, and I'm sure
Speaker 8: the women were either, But this happens and it takes
Speaker 8: you off card.
Speaker 9: Hello there, Hello.
Speaker 10: Alex Campbell.
Speaker 7: It's good to meet you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming by.
Speaker 2: Did your haircut get better since the last time I
Speaker 2: saw you?
Speaker 11: Maybe, I think.
Speaker 7: You said?
Speaker 1: And we have like the Captain's table, right.
Speaker 2: The honored guests, Joey Strickler and Ryan Curtis introduced themselves.
Speaker 7: I'm Joey Strickler.
Speaker 9: I retired from Sulvan County Sheriff's Office two years ago
Speaker 9: and I was the Captain Noble Criminal Investigations. My last
Speaker 9: biggest case that I had over there was I'm sure
Speaker 9: y'all have heard of at the Evelyn Boswell murder case.
Speaker 9: And just to tell a little bit my background as
Speaker 9: far as in prepared me for what I did. I
Speaker 9: have a bachelor's degree from Etssue Criminal Justice, and I
Speaker 9: spent my whole career of thirty years, thirty plus years
Speaker 9: at the Sheriff's office and done I guess a little
Speaker 9: bit of everything that was over there, from patrolling to
Speaker 9: criminal investigations to of course in the staff and command
Speaker 9: end of it. But one thing about it that interested
Speaker 9: me when the TBI actually called me to call you,
Speaker 9: was that when they were telling me you were doing this.
Speaker 9: I have worked on a couple of cold case homicides.
Speaker 9: They only had two in Solvan County, and so I
Speaker 9: worked those two cases, and I know the pitfalls and
Speaker 9: the things that you ran into and the issues and
Speaker 9: things like that. I can honestly say that I think
Speaker 9: I know who's.
Speaker 2: Done both of them.
Speaker 9: Never be able to prove it but because of certain reasons.
Speaker 9: But anyway, that's that's basically where I came from. I
Speaker 9: just the law enforcement background and with the Solvan County
Speaker 9: Shriff's Office, and I was supporting great opportunities to go
Speaker 9: to some really special high school. I've went to the
Speaker 9: FBI National Academy, which is a ten weeks school in Quanticoe, Virginia,
Speaker 9: and that's where I studied profiling and things like that.
Speaker 9: So that's just a little bit bit about me. One
Speaker 9: of my cases that I really took heart to was
Speaker 9: a nineteen eighty four murder. I was a high school
Speaker 9: senior in nineteen eighty four. The thing that got me
Speaker 9: about that is if things would have been done differently
Speaker 9: in nineteen eighty four by the standards we have now,
Speaker 9: that case we've been sought back then.
Speaker 1: They got a big ball game tonight, don't you.
Speaker 2: It's a homes coat and y'all met them last time?
Speaker 6: Was it close.
Speaker 7: Basketball season? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So both of these girls playing basketball. They're both
Speaker 4: really good. Also, great students find people. So, in case
Speaker 4: I didn't mention it, we don't have this as a
Speaker 4: class this year, So they do this work on their
Speaker 4: own and we meet at seven am before cool, which
Speaker 4: for a teenager coming an hour early, it is quite
Speaker 4: a quite a any credit for that, So they don't
Speaker 4: get any credit.
Speaker 9: They just, uh, well, there's nothing better than taking from
Speaker 9: someone that's daddy.
Speaker 7: There's nothing better.
Speaker 9: Than working on homicides and coming to a conclusion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's beshing better than that.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I getting sad me just farn't something days.
Speaker 7: Even if it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, if I was standing over here out of
Speaker 4: your way and let y'all dig your think.
Speaker 8: I'm a junior, I'm sixteen, and I played basketball. We
Speaker 8: probably since we were in third grade. I wouldn't say
Speaker 8: she probably is my best friends. Probably she is my
Speaker 8: best friends. I've always kind of found an interest in
Speaker 8: this stuff. I mean, my mom like watched stuff about
Speaker 8: it together a lot. And it's kind of crazy because
Speaker 8: all of you'll consider a sery cat like everything I do.
Speaker 8: But I really really really enjoy like learning about this
Speaker 8: kind of stud I was gonna like dive again and
Speaker 8: how you want perspective.
Speaker 7: On ake seconds. Yeah, well, we've been in Princeville for ever.
Speaker 7: It's really funny because I've always been.
Speaker 6: Kind of, like, I.
Speaker 7: Guess, like the more outgoing of the two of us,
Speaker 7: and I've always been interested in me just little weird things.
Speaker 6: And true crime has definitely been a big interest in
Speaker 6: mine since I was in like sixth grade probably, and
Speaker 6: I would always listen to True Crown podcasts like we'd
Speaker 6: be warming up for a basketball game.
Speaker 7: I'd have a True Crown podcasts, so I know, but
Speaker 7: it's like, are you okay.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yes, I'm I'm okay, and she would always
Speaker 6: get like it's so annoyed me.
Speaker 7: She's like turn, not off. Turn, and then one day
Speaker 7: she's just like, no, keep playing. I'm like, I know so,
Speaker 7: but that's something.
Speaker 6: We've kind of buz been able to find a lot
Speaker 6: of interest in the last few years.
Speaker 11: Und yes that that's been like such a driver.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's kind of yes, and it's really like it
Speaker 6: it re leading to YouTube and you're just like, you
Speaker 6: don't wanna listen to music anymore.
Speaker 7: You just wanna listen to a True Ground podcast. It's relaxing.
Speaker 7: I had to stop. I used to listen to them
Speaker 7: to go to bend.
Speaker 6: Stop.
Speaker 7: I started getting terrors. I would wake up. They'd be
Speaker 7: like a shadow of my room.
Speaker 6: I got, yeah, I can't do this, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: said he a junior also played basketball that takes up.
Speaker 8: Really all of our time.
Speaker 7: So it's basically school basketball. First. They're looking at them
Speaker 7: not committed. Correct, Yes, clarify it.
Speaker 6: So me and Morley have kind of been doing some
Speaker 6: research this week between the known victims of Jerry Leon
Speaker 6: Johns and potential victims. So I've been working on Tracy
Speaker 6: Stu Walker, and Morley's been working on the DeSoto County
Speaker 6: Jane Doe. Basically, what we've done is we just went
Speaker 6: through and we've made a victim profile for his two
Speaker 6: known victims, and then we're just kind of doing a
Speaker 6: comparent contrast between Tracy Stu Walker and the Psoto County
Speaker 6: Jane Doe. Lynn was the survivor of Jay Leon Johns
Speaker 6: and Tina Farmer, who is a confirmed victim of Jay
Speaker 6: Leon Johnson.
Speaker 2: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 2: a moment. Murder one on one, Riley and Marley walked
Speaker 2: mister Strickler and mister Curtis through their profile and explained
Speaker 2: why they believed Jerry Johns was the Bible Belt strangler.
Speaker 1: None of them were buried or covered up.
Speaker 4: All of them were just left on the side of
Speaker 4: the road. And I found a mistake there that Linda,
Speaker 4: that last one, I actually have no binding, but she
Speaker 4: was actually found I do know that, so I made
Speaker 4: a small mistake there. Every one of them were found
Speaker 4: off of a major interstate just right off except for
Speaker 4: one and she was found about seven miles from an interstate,
Speaker 4: but she was found seven miles from another victim that
Speaker 4: was right on the interstate and matched everything else.
Speaker 1: But she was just off of a road. But it
Speaker 1: was a major interstate.
Speaker 7: It was aside.
Speaker 4: But any any questions, other questions looking at the the
Speaker 4: strangulation by ligature seems to be important and we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Look more at that.
Speaker 7: So this is kind of where things take a turn.
Speaker 6: Police protested items found from Tina Farmer murder and found
Speaker 6: Jerry Johnes' body flutes on it. So Jay Lean Jones,
Speaker 6: this is obviously the man that we think committed these murders.
Speaker 6: And Tina Farmer she was killed and they had not
Speaker 6: identified her killer until new DNA evidence, like you said,
Speaker 6: had come out in twenty nineteen, and Johns had died
Speaker 6: in prison while serving time for the attemptive murder of Linda, which.
Speaker 7: Was two months after Farmer was murdered.
Speaker 6: So she was obviously his survived victim, the only survived
Speaker 6: victim that we know of, and they were able to
Speaker 6: arrest him because he stole her car. He thought he
Speaker 6: had killed her. Dumpter and then stole her car, and
Speaker 6: she happened to live. He was arrested on March six,
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five, for the attemptive murder of Linda. She
Speaker 6: was a redheaded exotic dancer and prostitute in Knoxville. Interesting
Speaker 6: fact also, Jerry Leon John's trucking company was based out
Speaker 6: right the right side of Knoxville, and it was actually
Speaker 6: started illegally, and so we don't have a lot of
Speaker 6: records from where where he was trucking, which can be
Speaker 6: hard for determining was he in the area at this
Speaker 6: time when this person was killed. All this stuff, but
Speaker 6: all of his records his trucking company was very very legal.
Speaker 6: So he bound and gagged her before taking her to
Speaker 6: the side of the interstate and choking her to what
Speaker 6: he thought was death, and then he dumped her. She
Speaker 6: was able to gather herself got out on the interstate.
Speaker 6: She was actually blind for three days after he had
Speaker 6: choked her because he choked her so hard, and she
Speaker 6: stumbled across the interstate naked, blind and was able to
Speaker 6: be taken by the police and they were able to
Speaker 6: find him via her car, but he saw her.
Speaker 7: And then this is who Jerry Leon Jones is.
Speaker 6: He was born in Tennessee, but him and his family
Speaker 6: moved around between Rockford, Illinois, East Tennessee in the Houston,
Speaker 6: Texas area.
Speaker 7: So obviously that's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of ground anyway, let alone being a trucker. He's
Speaker 6: thirty seven years old at this time. He has trucking company.
Speaker 6: It's called Rebel Trucking. Uh. He had a very extensive
Speaker 6: criminal record since he was fifteen years old. Started out
Speaker 6: his little stuff and obviously escalated. He was sentenced to.
Speaker 7: Seventy four years for the kidnapping and attempted murder. This
Speaker 7: is poor document's.
Speaker 6: Treasure troph These documents showed the specific bindings and.
Speaker 7: Ligatures that he used on her, and these help us
Speaker 7: build a timeline for where he was, what he was
Speaker 7: doing at the time. It provides us with TBI interview
Speaker 7: notes which are.
Speaker 6: Very very helpful, and we kind of get to see
Speaker 6: what kind of person he was getting inside to his psyche.
Speaker 6: And also, you know, when we're looking at different crimes,
Speaker 6: we think trying to look for a trigger.
Speaker 7: Maybe.
Speaker 6: So him and his wife were half sister, half sister,
Speaker 6: and half brother and they got married. Obviously, people are
Speaker 6: telling him, you know, you can't do this, like, if
Speaker 6: you have a child, it's gonna be messed up. Even
Speaker 6: though that tastes generations, people are, your child's gonna be
Speaker 6: messed up if you have a kid. They end up
Speaker 6: having a son, the son gets cancer at three years
Speaker 6: old and ends up passing away, and everybody's telling Jerry,
Speaker 6: you know this is your fault.
Speaker 7: This is because you did this, because you got married
Speaker 7: to your half sister, your child.
Speaker 6: God, and obviously any grieving parent, this is not something
Speaker 6: they want to hear in a mentally unstable man. It's
Speaker 6: untelling the kind of anger that he built up in
Speaker 6: his resentment. And obviously he has an anger towards women
Speaker 6: in these crumbs. And the relationship with his mother, as
Speaker 6: I understand, was very very strange, different and his half sister,
Speaker 6: his wife was red headed and his mother was.
Speaker 1: Also red headed.
Speaker 4: Said the marriage dissolved here or so after the death
Speaker 4: of the child, she actually moved back to Illinois.
Speaker 1: And when she left in nineteen eighty four, we get
Speaker 1: six murders in about nine months.
Speaker 10: Yeah, where he's driving not just with no boss, but
Speaker 10: now with nobody at home, and basically he and he
Speaker 10: and his brother who's traveling around and a bunch of
Speaker 10: dead women.
Speaker 4: Child exactly the same way where he's traveled for about
Speaker 4: nine months.
Speaker 6: Three.
Speaker 12: One thing that normally when someone is strangled with a ligature,
Speaker 12: whether it's a rope, whether it's like that, appears to
Speaker 12: be maybe a T shirt, the T shirt if you're
Speaker 12: you're defendant here is right handed. They tend to tie
Speaker 12: a knot in a right handed fashion, or a.
Speaker 9: Left handed person will tie one in a left handed fashion.
Speaker 9: So that's one thing to.
Speaker 4: Look at him, and so he said he.
Speaker 1: Was right handed.
Speaker 2: Riley spoke about Tracy Sue Walker.
Speaker 6: Tracy Sue Walker, she was the main victim that I
Speaker 6: focused on. She was just identified in August of twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, very very recently, and she was dubbed baby
Speaker 6: Girl Jane Doe for until she was identified because she
Speaker 6: was so young. They estimate shoes between fourteen to sixteen
Speaker 6: whenever she was murdered, but they found out that she
Speaker 6: was too so right on it. But she disappeared from
Speaker 6: Typicadoo County, which is in Indiana, as she read there,
Speaker 6: and her body was recovered in Campbell County, Tennessee, which
Speaker 6: is almost nine hours away. So she disappeared from a mall.
Speaker 6: She was last seen with a friend at Typicane County
Speaker 6: mall and she was a kind of troubled child. Her
Speaker 6: mom had reported her as running away tip twice uh
Speaker 6: before that, so they thought that maybe she'd just run away.
Speaker 6: Well not one hundred percent sure, but her body was
Speaker 6: found nine hours away in Camble County. The most interesting
Speaker 6: part another victim, Tina Farmer, who we know was killed
Speaker 6: by Jerry Leon Johns when Disa disappeared from Indianapolis, Indiana,
Speaker 6: which is.
Speaker 7: About an hour from Typicanoe County.
Speaker 6: But their bodies were found less than seven miles apart
Speaker 6: in Campbell County.
Speaker 7: So how did two girls disappear from about the same area.
Speaker 6: Nine hours away and their bodies are recovered within miles
Speaker 6: of each other?
Speaker 8: Early similar and they were all found on trucking roots
Speaker 8: between his homes, his family homes, trucking hubs, all significant
Speaker 8: areas that would be related back to him. And although
Speaker 8: he spent many years in prison, all of the victims
Speaker 8: were killed when he was not in custody.
Speaker 11: I agree he's probably good for those two for sure,
Speaker 11: just because of the location of the where they're missing from.
Speaker 11: And then the location of where their bodies were found.
Speaker 11: I would agree. So I mean you're headed in the
Speaker 11: right direction. I think your profiles of your victims are
Speaker 11: well done. And I've always said you have to be
Speaker 11: able to try to identify identify the victims and to
Speaker 11: do a timeline on the victims first, which is what
Speaker 11: you're doing that will lead you to your potential suspects
Speaker 11: or subjects.
Speaker 8: So in summary, he puts himself at every secondary crime scene.
Speaker 8: But once again he didn't do it, but he was there.
Speaker 8: He was convicted onto the crumbs with direct evidence in
Speaker 8: the DNA, and his timeline shows the only time that
Speaker 8: he was not in jail is when the murders happened.
Speaker 8: The murders that fit this m O and signature stop
Speaker 8: right after his arrest.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible profile. Eight is this very gets that.
Speaker 4: How confident would you be if you had all that
Speaker 4: information and you went to a grand jury, that you
Speaker 4: could get a true.
Speaker 7: Brand, this solid.
Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly impressed. Thank you, Thank you, guys.
Speaker 7: I've done a great job.
Speaker 1: To say the least. You know, although I was binding
Speaker 1: that there's a real good chance that they should be
Speaker 1: able to.
Speaker 12: Get some kind of touch DNA from that and nowadays
Speaker 12: for sure.
Speaker 7: Now any wonderful, great job, Thank you, thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: Let's stop here for another quick break murder one on one.
Speaker 2: The following week, the club back back up.
Speaker 1: Well, good morning, ladies. How are y'all doing doing good?
Speaker 7: How are you?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 1: It's early and I'm a little bit tired, but not
Speaker 1: bad for a Monday. What'd y'all do this weekend?
Speaker 8: I didn't really do very much on Saturday. Well, on
Speaker 8: Sunday I went to church and restaur practice.
Speaker 1: Didn't you have a big ball game Friday night?
Speaker 8: Well, Friday didn't comes the weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after three Friday counts, I had the ball game.
Speaker 7: Go we won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. And then Riley, you might have had
Speaker 1: something extra special on Friday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I won homecoming for the junior class, so that
Speaker 6: was kind of cool.
Speaker 7: I'm just glad I didn't fall or pass out. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I had a really busy weekend.
Speaker 6: So that homecoming was on Friday, and then Saturday, me
Speaker 6: and my mom went to a Covenant College in Georgia
Speaker 6: for a recruitment visit to watch them play and talked
Speaker 6: to their coaches and everything. So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: And I took up pretty much the whole day Saturday,
Speaker 6: and then yesterday I went to church and went to
Speaker 6: basketball practice and then went back to church.
Speaker 7: It was a very impact views it was.
Speaker 4: And so we were presenting to a former assistant district
Speaker 4: attorney now a defense attorney and retired homicide detective, and
Speaker 4: so I would just love to get your all kind
Speaker 4: of thoughts and reflections on how.
Speaker 1: Do you think it went.
Speaker 8: I think it went really well. I was very nervous
Speaker 8: going into it, I will say that, but it was
Speaker 8: really cool. It was cool to get someone else's like
Speaker 8: perspective on all the work that we've been doing and
Speaker 8: working so hard on because like it's just kind of
Speaker 8: us three sometimes and it's good to get like an
Speaker 8: outside viewpoint on everything, like hoping that they'd like it
Speaker 8: and think it was good work. And they did, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then uh, role, what about you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have to agree with Marland, And I'm really
Speaker 6: nervous going in, but then to see like people who've
Speaker 6: been there, done that and seeing a lot of different
Speaker 6: cases stuff to just validate what we've been seeing and
Speaker 6: what we've been where we've put our time and effort
Speaker 6: and energy and to see them kind of like pat
Speaker 6: us on the back, which we don't do it for that, but.
Speaker 7: It's really nice and really reassuring to have that. So
Speaker 7: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: I wasn't nervous going in because I know that you
Speaker 4: guys have done some stellar work, but I was curious
Speaker 4: to see, Like you said, I'm a teacher, you're some students.
Speaker 4: What do professionals in the field really think about the work?
Speaker 1: YEP, a homicide detective.
Speaker 4: It's his job to gather evidence and put together evidence
Speaker 4: for the DA and to see what he thought about
Speaker 4: our evidence. And also I thought it was interesting to
Speaker 4: hear from the former assistant district attorney about what he
Speaker 4: thought about the evidence, Could it actually go to a
Speaker 4: grand jury?
Speaker 1: Was it sufficient? How we cover all the bases?
Speaker 4: And you guys remember anything about maybe some of the
Speaker 4: stuff they'd said about the work you'd done.
Speaker 8: I think that the former assistant district attorney said how
Speaker 8: there had been cases in court that had won with
Speaker 8: significantly less evidence than what we had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was pretty crazy, because I mean,
Speaker 3: like sometimes it can get discouraging because there is like
Speaker 3: little information. It's like, oh, we have this Jane do
Speaker 3: we have no clue how she lives, Like it kind
Speaker 3: of feel like we're grasping straws and stuff, but just
Speaker 3: to see like the information we do have is so
Speaker 3: valid and could potentially pull up in court, and there's
Speaker 3: trials that have been held with significantly less evidence. Like
Speaker 3: Morley said, that was really reassuring to the work that
Speaker 3: we've been doing and really just shows like we're doing
Speaker 3: something that actually has substance, Like it's not just for
Speaker 3: our own enjoyment or for our own passion that we have,
Speaker 3: like this could actually mean something to some jury or
Speaker 3: some court. I thought it was just really reassuring, and
Speaker 3: like Riley said, like everything we're doing has a purpose
Speaker 3: and it shows that like this could really help somebody
Speaker 3: in I know that if it was like member or something.
Speaker 3: And I saw these people doing that and these people
Speaker 3: are saying this about their work, it made me feel
Speaker 3: like really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we have a problem. It's a good problem,
Speaker 1: but it's a problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we had the same problem five years ago when
Speaker 4: the students did the work and they created the profile
Speaker 4: and the profiler said this is excellent.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree with anything. Well, what goods a profile
Speaker 1: if it doesn't get out to where people.
Speaker 7: Can use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, So that's why we decided to have
Speaker 1: the press conference.
Speaker 4: Well, if we just let it stop here, then it
Speaker 4: doesn't go forward to help anybody.
Speaker 6: I don't want to just give up on this or
Speaker 6: like think we've taken it as far as we can go,
Speaker 6: because these women still don't have justice, and there's still
Speaker 6: so many of them that aren't identified, and so many
Speaker 6: I think can be identified. So I'm really not sure
Speaker 6: what the next step should be, but I definitely know
Speaker 6: that this isn't where we should end.
Speaker 8: About you, Marlen, I still want to be able to
Speaker 8: like help the families and give them closer.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been thinking about that too, and we did
Speaker 4: try to invite the TBI. Most of every one of
Speaker 4: these cases just about has been taken over by the TBI.
Speaker 1: If they were in the state of Tennessee, they have been.
Speaker 4: There's a couple that are just outside of the state
Speaker 4: that have not been, And to be honest, I've had
Speaker 4: very limited success in getting in contact with the people
Speaker 4: who are responsible for those cases. So we invited the
Speaker 4: TBI to come and listen to the presentation that you
Speaker 4: did on Friday. However, they said that every single agent
Speaker 4: they had was too busy and would be busy the
Speaker 4: rest of the year.
Speaker 1: And it's January, so and I understand they are busy.
Speaker 1: Crime ever sleeps right, yeah, gradways up, just no good.
Speaker 4: But I think that my question for myself was if
Speaker 4: detectives feel like this is good enough to go to
Speaker 4: the DA, and the DA feels like it's good enough
Speaker 4: to go to a grand jury, and since the person
Speaker 4: we feel that did this is dead and all you
Speaker 4: can do is take it to a grand jury, get
Speaker 4: the true bill, and then consider the case closed, the
Speaker 4: question for me is why aren't DA's doing this or
Speaker 4: why aren't law enforcement agencies turning this over to the
Speaker 4: DA's so they can and go forward. And I think
Speaker 4: the only people we have left to present to would
Speaker 4: be the media.
Speaker 1: And there's several reasons why.
Speaker 4: Number one, last time we got a body identified, excuse me,
Speaker 4: three bodies identified, and one of those cases was solved
Speaker 4: within a year or two.
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll get the same luck.
Speaker 4: Because when you put this out there, you're gonna get tips,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have people calling in, you're gonna have true
Speaker 4: crime sluice, looking on the internet, looking at missing people, looking.
Speaker 1: At the Desto County Jane do.
Speaker 4: And maybe we can get a few more identifications through
Speaker 4: the media because it will get picked up on the
Speaker 4: media and it'll get.
Speaker 1: Out to people.
Speaker 4: Number Two, maybe other people can ask different agencies what
Speaker 4: they're doing with the cases. Sometimes they're just triaging cases.
Speaker 4: The most important ones, ones that have a lead, the
Speaker 4: newest ones, ones that parents are calling.
Speaker 1: We work on those first. The ones that.
Speaker 4: Are forty years old and they're cold and we have
Speaker 4: no information and nobody's calling.
Speaker 1: You know, it just has to be the last one
Speaker 1: we worked.
Speaker 4: So what do y'all think about taking this to the
Speaker 4: media and letting the media get the word out for us.
Speaker 6: I think that's definitely a good idea, probably our next
Speaker 6: best step as far as furthering this and seeing what
Speaker 6: we can do, because other than that, I don't think
Speaker 6: that there's.
Speaker 7: A better alternative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. So I know how to call
Speaker 1: a press conference. I've done it before one time five
Speaker 1: years ago, worked pretty well.
Speaker 4: What do you think about getting a hold of TV
Speaker 4: and news media from each of the areas where these
Speaker 4: women were found or went missing from?
Speaker 1: We only know where two went missing from. We could
Speaker 1: maybe contact.
Speaker 4: That media and then tell them we're going to have
Speaker 4: it and then just let them show up.
Speaker 1: The ones that can't make it, we can email them.
Speaker 4: The last time, five years ago, one of the local
Speaker 4: news agencies actually live streamed it.
Speaker 7: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: So they could watch the live stream, they could get
Speaker 4: a media kit of the information, and then they could
Speaker 4: do whatever they wanted with it.
Speaker 1: So if they want to ask their local.
Speaker 4: Law enforcement or their local DA's, or if they just
Speaker 4: want to get the word out there and let people
Speaker 4: in the public see it and go to work on
Speaker 4: it on their own time, then I think that would
Speaker 4: be maybe something we could do. I guess the big
Speaker 4: question is when do we want to schedule it? Homecoming
Speaker 4: queen and basketball games and college tours, the all busy people.
Speaker 4: So let's think about a time we can do it,
Speaker 4: and then let's set it. Maybe give ourselves about two weeks.
Speaker 4: I think what we need to do is go back
Speaker 4: through the information see if we want to reformat anything,
Speaker 4: because it's different presenting to the group.
Speaker 1: We present it till on Friday and the media group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Also, they probably need to put together a media
Speaker 4: packet which we can have them sign up for when
Speaker 4: they come in, and then we can email it to
Speaker 4: them after it's over. We could maybe have some hard
Speaker 4: copies available to them, maybe that to hear something. But
Speaker 4: that'll give us a couple of weeks to do that work,
Speaker 4: and of course give them some time to plan on
Speaker 4: being here if they can be here.
Speaker 1: No, feeling good, feeling good.
Speaker 7: I'm excited them.
Speaker 1: Feeling good and excited. How many games you'll have left?
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, we're are halfway through conference.
Speaker 8: Play regular season games. There's probably five or six left, Okay,
Speaker 8: and then we have districts and regionals and all that.
Speaker 7: Takes like a month, even though it's less games.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're saying you're gonna go all the way,
Speaker 1: go a month into the planning. That's what I like.
Speaker 1: I like the positivity.
Speaker 6: Hopefully this week we get bumped to third in the
Speaker 6: state because the team that was ranked ahead of us
Speaker 6: got beats.
Speaker 1: Okay, exciting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a little overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, y'all.
Speaker 4: Just hang in there, though, it's going to get more
Speaker 4: overwhelming when the world realizes.
Speaker 1: I think that the quality of the work you.
Speaker 6: Guys have, this would be cool to it's it is
Speaker 6: really cool seeing like the people are recognizing, like you said,
Speaker 6: because a lot of times it's just been uice three
Speaker 6: in here, you know, and then other people from the
Speaker 6: outside of like, wow, this is actually really good work.
Speaker 6: And I think people are really surprised too when it's
Speaker 6: high school students. And yeah, it's just been rewarding to
Speaker 6: see what kint was. This was all for a purpose,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, Well, I hope y'all have a great day.
Speaker 4: Get back with me, either see me in the hall
Speaker 4: or send me an email and let me know about
Speaker 4: that day, all right, And I'll call a friend of
Speaker 4: mine and we'll see what he thinks about that day
Speaker 4: and if he has any insight on maybe what we
Speaker 4: should do or how we should do it, and we'll
Speaker 4: go from there.
Speaker 1: Alrighty awesome, ladies, y'all have a great day, okay too.
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