WEBVTT - Studying Up 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.040 A group of high school student High school. 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.840 Students Elizabethan High School students started a project to research. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.600 A string of unsolved murders. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.800 Their research led to the identification of the killer. Investigators 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.760 now have an answer to a thirty four year old question. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.000 Once you start getting a few tips, or a few 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:21.200 leads or. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.520 Few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:27.400 There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.159 Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:32.879 to be accurate. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:38.840 Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.240 and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother, 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.040 right handed, IQ above one hundred, most likely heterosexual. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.159 There is no profile of this killer except for the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.400 ones the students created. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.960 Just because some of these women no longer have people 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.760 to speak for them does not mean that they deserve 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:56.279 to not. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:56.960 Be so anymore. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.080 What if this guy's still alive? Like, what if becomes 0:00:59.120 --> 0:00:59.680 after us? 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.000 I consider you're gonna kill me? 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:01.680 He's a year. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.080 This is Murder one oh one, Season one, episode nine, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:17.920 Studying Up. I'm Jeff Sheen, a television and podcast producer 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:23.000 at KAT Studios with Stephanielyidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arno. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.560 In twenty twenty, I came across a story about a 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.319 group of high school students who set out to investigate 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.080 a series of unsolved murders in their community. It was 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.399 an incredible story that here at KAT Studios we felt 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:36.800 needed to be explored further. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.240 All Right, So this morning, me and Marley are just 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:47.480 sitting here in my car. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.680 It is seven fifty two, six fifty two. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.320 It is six fifty two in the morning, and we're 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.240 just sitting here talking about different stuff. And we're about 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:58.960 to go in here and meet with mister Campbell, and 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.880 we're actually gonna get to present to a former FBI 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.520 behavior analysis, which is really cool, and talk about the case. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.520 So we're just really looking forward to that. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.919 It's kind of crazy because we went to a bunch 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:14.600 of football games together and thinking about Elizabeth Lamont, one 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.360 of the potential victims of Jerry Leon Johns. She actually 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.120 went missing from a football game, and we went to 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.200 numerous football games together and not really how to care 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.680 in the world, but it just happens as quickly as that. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.320 So it's really crazy to think about the connection we 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.720 have with these girls because we are young females and 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.760 majority of these women were young women, and we're very 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.600 close with in age and lifestyle. Even you know, this 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.720 could be any of us or any of our friends, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:42.440 and that is. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:43.720 Really crazy to think about. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.200 So we really feel connected with this case, these cases, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.800 and we really feel like these women deserve justice because 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:51.639 this could easily be. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:52.160 One of us. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.600 Yeah, and it's sometimes you don't really think about, like 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.720 when you're in the moment at the football game, you're 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.680 not really worried about stuff like that, and I'm sure 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.040 the women were either, But this happens and it takes 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.200 you off card. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:15.200 Hello there, Hello. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:18.440 Alex Campbell. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.240 It's good to meet you. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.040 Thank you for coming by. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.360 Did your haircut get better since the last time I 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:23.720 saw you? 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:24.920 Maybe, I think. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.200 You said? 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.000 And we have like the Captain's table, right. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.360 The honored guests, Joey Strickler and Ryan Curtis introduced themselves. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:43.480 I'm Joey Strickler. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.160 I retired from Sulvan County Sheriff's Office two years ago 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.520 and I was the Captain Noble Criminal Investigations. My last 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.240 biggest case that I had over there was I'm sure 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.320 y'all have heard of at the Evelyn Boswell murder case. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.760 And just to tell a little bit my background as 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.320 far as in prepared me for what I did. I 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.360 have a bachelor's degree from Etssue Criminal Justice, and I 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.880 spent my whole career of thirty years, thirty plus years 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.640 at the Sheriff's office and done I guess a little 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.160 bit of everything that was over there, from patrolling to 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.880 criminal investigations to of course in the staff and command 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.560 end of it. But one thing about it that interested 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.000 me when the TBI actually called me to call you, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.440 was that when they were telling me you were doing this. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.720 I have worked on a couple of cold case homicides. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.440 They only had two in Solvan County, and so I 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.400 worked those two cases, and I know the pitfalls and 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.560 the things that you ran into and the issues and 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.840 things like that. I can honestly say that I think 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:43.560 I know who's. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.080 Done both of them. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.600 Never be able to prove it but because of certain reasons. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.640 But anyway, that's that's basically where I came from. I 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.960 just the law enforcement background and with the Solvan County 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:59.000 Shriff's Office, and I was supporting great opportunities to go 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.560 to some really special high school. I've went to the 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.760 FBI National Academy, which is a ten weeks school in Quanticoe, Virginia, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.680 and that's where I studied profiling and things like that. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.680 So that's just a little bit bit about me. One 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.920 of my cases that I really took heart to was 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.640 a nineteen eighty four murder. I was a high school 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.719 senior in nineteen eighty four. The thing that got me 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.600 about that is if things would have been done differently 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.279 in nineteen eighty four by the standards we have now, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:35.359 that case we've been sought back then. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.680 They got a big ball game tonight, don't you. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.200 It's a homes coat and y'all met them last time? 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:42.440 Was it close. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.239 Basketball season? Yes? 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.640 Yeah, So both of these girls playing basketball. They're both 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.760 really good. Also, great students find people. So, in case 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.120 I didn't mention it, we don't have this as a 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.000 class this year, So they do this work on their 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.880 own and we meet at seven am before cool, which 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.920 for a teenager coming an hour early, it is quite 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.880 a quite a any credit for that, So they don't 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:07.440 get any credit. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.680 They just, uh, well, there's nothing better than taking from 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:11.559 someone that's daddy. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.280 There's nothing better. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.680 Than working on homicides and coming to a conclusion. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:17.480 Oh yeah, it's beshing better than that. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:24.480 Yeah yeah, I getting sad me just farn't something days. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.159 Even if it's. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.200 Yeah yeah, if I was standing over here out of 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.440 your way and let y'all dig your think. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.360 I'm a junior, I'm sixteen, and I played basketball. We 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.040 probably since we were in third grade. I wouldn't say 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.040 she probably is my best friends. Probably she is my 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.880 best friends. I've always kind of found an interest in 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.160 this stuff. I mean, my mom like watched stuff about 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.479 it together a lot. And it's kind of crazy because 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.720 all of you'll consider a sery cat like everything I do. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.440 But I really really really enjoy like learning about this 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.000 kind of stud I was gonna like dive again and 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.960 how you want perspective. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.640 On ake seconds. Yeah, well, we've been in Princeville for ever. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.000 It's really funny because I've always been. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.240 Kind of, like, I. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.400 Guess, like the more outgoing of the two of us, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.839 and I've always been interested in me just little weird things. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.840 And true crime has definitely been a big interest in 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.840 mine since I was in like sixth grade probably, and 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.760 I would always listen to True Crown podcasts like we'd 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:15.960 be warming up for a basketball game. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.520 I'd have a True Crown podcasts, so I know, but 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:18.960 it's like, are you okay. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.880 I'm like, yes, I'm I'm okay, and she would always 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.160 get like it's so annoyed me. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.560 She's like turn, not off. Turn, and then one day 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.000 she's just like, no, keep playing. I'm like, I know so, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:30.440 but that's something. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.520 We've kind of buz been able to find a lot 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.400 of interest in the last few years. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.480 Und yes that that's been like such a driver. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.920 Yes, it's kind of yes, and it's really like it 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.760 it re leading to YouTube and you're just like, you 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.960 don't wanna listen to music anymore. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.520 You just wanna listen to a True Ground podcast. It's relaxing. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.160 I had to stop. I used to listen to them 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.200 to go to bend. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:52.880 Stop. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.520 I started getting terrors. I would wake up. They'd be 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:56.720 like a shadow of my room. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.360 I got, yeah, I can't do this, but yeah, I'm 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.800 said he a junior also played basketball that takes up. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.840 Really all of our time. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:11.120 So it's basically school basketball. First. They're looking at them 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.560 not committed. Correct, Yes, clarify it. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.000 So me and Morley have kind of been doing some 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.240 research this week between the known victims of Jerry Leon 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.680 Johns and potential victims. So I've been working on Tracy 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.280 Stu Walker, and Morley's been working on the DeSoto County 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.480 Jane Doe. Basically, what we've done is we just went 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.960 through and we've made a victim profile for his two 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.640 known victims, and then we're just kind of doing a 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.560 comparent contrast between Tracy Stu Walker and the Psoto County 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.120 Jane Doe. Lynn was the survivor of Jay Leon Johns 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.120 and Tina Farmer, who is a confirmed victim of Jay 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:47.920 Leon Johnson. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:02.880 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:17.920 a moment. Murder one on one, Riley and Marley walked 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.080 mister Strickler and mister Curtis through their profile and explained 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.880 why they believed Jerry Johns was the Bible Belt strangler. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:29.920 None of them were buried or covered up. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.640 All of them were just left on the side of 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.040 the road. And I found a mistake there that Linda, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.640 that last one, I actually have no binding, but she 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.719 was actually found I do know that, so I made 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.920 a small mistake there. Every one of them were found 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.680 off of a major interstate just right off except for 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.560 one and she was found about seven miles from an interstate, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.680 but she was found seven miles from another victim that 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.880 was right on the interstate and matched everything else. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.120 But she was just off of a road. But it 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.080 was a major interstate. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:56.640 It was aside. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.120 But any any questions, other questions looking at the the 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.679 strangulation by ligature seems to be important and we're gonna. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:06.160 Look more at that. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.080 So this is kind of where things take a turn. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:15.160 Police protested items found from Tina Farmer murder and found 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.959 Jerry Johnes' body flutes on it. So Jay Lean Jones, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.200 this is obviously the man that we think committed these murders. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:25.160 And Tina Farmer she was killed and they had not 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.439 identified her killer until new DNA evidence, like you said, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.320 had come out in twenty nineteen, and Johns had died 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.360 in prison while serving time for the attemptive murder of Linda, which. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.920 Was two months after Farmer was murdered. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.120 So she was obviously his survived victim, the only survived 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.640 victim that we know of, and they were able to 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.960 arrest him because he stole her car. He thought he 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.720 had killed her. Dumpter and then stole her car, and 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.240 she happened to live. He was arrested on March six, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.480 nineteen eighty five, for the attemptive murder of Linda. She 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.480 was a redheaded exotic dancer and prostitute in Knoxville. Interesting 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.640 fact also, Jerry Leon John's trucking company was based out 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.400 right the right side of Knoxville, and it was actually 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.920 started illegally, and so we don't have a lot of 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.120 records from where where he was trucking, which can be 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.360 hard for determining was he in the area at this 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.360 time when this person was killed. All this stuff, but 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.240 all of his records his trucking company was very very legal. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.000 So he bound and gagged her before taking her to 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.080 the side of the interstate and choking her to what 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.559 he thought was death, and then he dumped her. She 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.079 was able to gather herself got out on the interstate. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.960 She was actually blind for three days after he had 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.720 choked her because he choked her so hard, and she 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.360 stumbled across the interstate naked, blind and was able to 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.440 be taken by the police and they were able to 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.120 find him via her car, but he saw her. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.160 And then this is who Jerry Leon Jones is. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.320 He was born in Tennessee, but him and his family 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.600 moved around between Rockford, Illinois, East Tennessee in the Houston, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.240 Texas area. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.160 So obviously that's a. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.439 Lot of ground anyway, let alone being a trucker. He's 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.920 thirty seven years old at this time. He has trucking company. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.160 It's called Rebel Trucking. Uh. He had a very extensive 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.520 criminal record since he was fifteen years old. Started out 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.760 his little stuff and obviously escalated. He was sentenced to. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.559 Seventy four years for the kidnapping and attempted murder. This 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.439 is poor document's. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.760 Treasure troph These documents showed the specific bindings and. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.560 Ligatures that he used on her, and these help us 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.520 build a timeline for where he was, what he was 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.960 doing at the time. It provides us with TBI interview 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:36.880 notes which are. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.600 Very very helpful, and we kind of get to see 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.240 what kind of person he was getting inside to his psyche. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.520 And also, you know, when we're looking at different crimes, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.120 we think trying to look for a trigger. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:47.680 Maybe. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.400 So him and his wife were half sister, half sister, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:54.160 and half brother and they got married. Obviously, people are 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.760 telling him, you know, you can't do this, like, if 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.760 you have a child, it's gonna be messed up. Even 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.000 though that tastes generations, people are, your child's gonna be 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.640 messed up if you have a kid. They end up 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.800 having a son, the son gets cancer at three years 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.439 old and ends up passing away, and everybody's telling Jerry, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.360 you know this is your fault. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.240 This is because you did this, because you got married 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:13.120 to your half sister, your child. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.800 God, and obviously any grieving parent, this is not something 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.400 they want to hear in a mentally unstable man. It's 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.199 untelling the kind of anger that he built up in 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.520 his resentment. And obviously he has an anger towards women 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.760 in these crumbs. And the relationship with his mother, as 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:37.480 I understand, was very very strange, different and his half sister, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.720 his wife was red headed and his mother was. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.480 Also red headed. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.480 Said the marriage dissolved here or so after the death 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.040 of the child, she actually moved back to Illinois. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.800 And when she left in nineteen eighty four, we get 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.720 six murders in about nine months. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.960 Yeah, where he's driving not just with no boss, but 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.000 now with nobody at home, and basically he and he 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.679 and his brother who's traveling around and a bunch of 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:02.440 dead women. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.680 Child exactly the same way where he's traveled for about 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:05.160 nine months. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:05.360 Three. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.439 One thing that normally when someone is strangled with a ligature, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.959 whether it's a rope, whether it's like that, appears to 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.600 be maybe a T shirt, the T shirt if you're 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.720 you're defendant here is right handed. They tend to tie 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.160 a knot in a right handed fashion, or a. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.480 Left handed person will tie one in a left handed fashion. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.440 So that's one thing to. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.200 Look at him, and so he said he. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:33.120 Was right handed. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.840 Riley spoke about Tracy Sue Walker. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.600 Tracy Sue Walker, she was the main victim that I 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.040 focused on. She was just identified in August of twenty 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.200 twenty two, very very recently, and she was dubbed baby 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.440 Girl Jane Doe for until she was identified because she 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.720 was so young. They estimate shoes between fourteen to sixteen 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.680 whenever she was murdered, but they found out that she 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.920 was too so right on it. But she disappeared from 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.640 Typicadoo County, which is in Indiana, as she read there, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.160 and her body was recovered in Campbell County, Tennessee, which 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.760 is almost nine hours away. So she disappeared from a mall. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.960 She was last seen with a friend at Typicane County 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:23.440 mall and she was a kind of troubled child. Her 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.320 mom had reported her as running away tip twice uh 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.520 before that, so they thought that maybe she'd just run away. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.920 Well not one hundred percent sure, but her body was 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.840 found nine hours away in Camble County. The most interesting 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.520 part another victim, Tina Farmer, who we know was killed 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:43.480 by Jerry Leon Johns when Disa disappeared from Indianapolis, Indiana, 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:44.000 which is. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.160 About an hour from Typicanoe County. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.600 But their bodies were found less than seven miles apart 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:50.320 in Campbell County. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.000 So how did two girls disappear from about the same area. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.000 Nine hours away and their bodies are recovered within miles 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:57.480 of each other? 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.400 Early similar and they were all found on trucking roots 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.920 between his homes, his family homes, trucking hubs, all significant 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.800 areas that would be related back to him. And although 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.760 he spent many years in prison, all of the victims 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.920 were killed when he was not in custody. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.040 I agree he's probably good for those two for sure, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.760 just because of the location of the where they're missing from. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.560 And then the location of where their bodies were found. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.480 I would agree. So I mean you're headed in the 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:31.400 right direction. I think your profiles of your victims are 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.520 well done. And I've always said you have to be 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.320 able to try to identify identify the victims and to 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.520 do a timeline on the victims first, which is what 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.240 you're doing that will lead you to your potential suspects 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:44.960 or subjects. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.120 So in summary, he puts himself at every secondary crime scene. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.360 But once again he didn't do it, but he was there. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.080 He was convicted onto the crumbs with direct evidence in 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.640 the DNA, and his timeline shows the only time that 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.680 he was not in jail is when the murders happened. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.960 The murders that fit this m O and signature stop 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:05.399 right after his arrest. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.320 It's an incredible profile. Eight is this very gets that. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.040 How confident would you be if you had all that 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.159 information and you went to a grand jury, that you 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.000 could get a true. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.920 Brand, this solid. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.680 I'm thoroughly impressed. Thank you, Thank you, guys. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:26.920 I've done a great job. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.360 To say the least. You know, although I was binding 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.679 that there's a real good chance that they should be 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:33.879 able to. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.399 Get some kind of touch DNA from that and nowadays 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:37.800 for sure. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.639 Now any wonderful, great job, Thank you, thank you for listening. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:18:05.280 Let's stop here for another quick break murder one on one. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.600 The following week, the club back back up. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.720 Well, good morning, ladies. How are y'all doing doing good? 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:12.200 How are you? 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:13.160 Well? 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.080 It's early and I'm a little bit tired, but not 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.840 bad for a Monday. What'd y'all do this weekend? 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.320 I didn't really do very much on Saturday. Well, on 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.080 Sunday I went to church and restaur practice. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.480 Didn't you have a big ball game Friday night? 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.919 Well, Friday didn't comes the weekend. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.720 Yeah, after three Friday counts, I had the ball game. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:31.680 Go we won. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.199 Yeah, that's good. And then Riley, you might have had 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.440 something extra special on Friday. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:42.000 Yeah, I won homecoming for the junior class, so that 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:42.720 was kind of cool. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.040 I'm just glad I didn't fall or pass out. But yeah, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:48.640 I had a really busy weekend. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.840 So that homecoming was on Friday, and then Saturday, me 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.520 and my mom went to a Covenant College in Georgia 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.360 for a recruitment visit to watch them play and talked 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.320 to their coaches and everything. So that was pretty cool. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.400 And I took up pretty much the whole day Saturday, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.720 and then yesterday I went to church and went to 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:09.480 basketball practice and then went back to church. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.119 It was a very impact views it was. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.159 And so we were presenting to a former assistant district 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:21.480 attorney now a defense attorney and retired homicide detective, and 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.840 so I would just love to get your all kind 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.359 of thoughts and reflections on how. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:26.960 Do you think it went. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.480 I think it went really well. I was very nervous 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.080 going into it, I will say that, but it was 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.240 really cool. It was cool to get someone else's like 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.240 perspective on all the work that we've been doing and 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.639 working so hard on because like it's just kind of 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.240 us three sometimes and it's good to get like an 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.920 outside viewpoint on everything, like hoping that they'd like it 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.200 and think it was good work. And they did, so. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.840 Yeah, okay, and then uh, role, what about you? 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.440 Yeah, I have to agree with Marland, And I'm really 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.120