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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, thirty two,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Jo Da Leys Eyed Geist, the production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say, officially,

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Speaker 1: off the top, fuck the Cooke Brothers and fuck Fox

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Speaker 1: News that Thursday May seven. My name is Jack O'Brien

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Speaker 1: a K. I don't want to wait in this line

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Speaker 1: any longer. Mouth freed eithers don't know how to gauge

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Speaker 1: six ft. That is courtesy of Nick Drakhovski. I was

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Speaker 1: wondering where that was going, right, and uh, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: nailed it, man. I'm thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: buy my co host, Mr Miles Gray. I watched the

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Speaker 1: TVV blazed with my blade. Wait let me start that

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Speaker 1: over keep no, because I'm a busker. Look you don't

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Speaker 1: with my pleased out companions. I take notes and right

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Speaker 1: ship because funk gets my job. The virus has fucked us,

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Speaker 1: and not with the hot picks. But I can't get word.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get high and I don't never wanna do

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Speaker 1: with this ship again. Please get this fucking ree to

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Speaker 1: this fucking present and I don't never wanna do with

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Speaker 1: this ship again. All I really wanted to joke about

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Speaker 1: trash TV all day and I could keep going. But

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're lonely in the quarter, you can

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Speaker 1: come and then he key this make you to Ben

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Speaker 1: Baney at Bany eighty four for I don't know man

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Speaker 1: affecting my brain. I'm gonna listening to album again tonight. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we are thrilled to be joined in our third

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Speaker 1: sea by the hilarious and talented quar co host Jamie

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Speaker 1: Loft Check and Miles are here every day with little

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Speaker 1: Zam and Hosnie A. Wash your hands and you will see.

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Speaker 1: And then to the quarantine. This is quarantine. This is

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Speaker 1: quarantine in our homes in the day and night. Oh

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Speaker 1: thank you to Lisa pe At Amazing pockets for really

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Speaker 1: challenging my lower register today. There could have gone up

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Speaker 1: the octave, but I don't want to hurt anybody. And

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat

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Speaker 1: by the very talented Franklin Leonard. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: should have a song inspired mid nineties rock and I

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Speaker 1: there was no prep for that. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: should have I could have stepped up my game and

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Speaker 1: delivered that. The pour move that we do is we

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Speaker 1: all get to sing a song and then the guest

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Speaker 1: has to be like, Hi, Yeah, it's it's a built

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Speaker 1: in bit where it's like song, song, song, than spotlight

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Speaker 1: on the guest. Hi, I don't have a song. I'm

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Speaker 1: the boring part of this conversation. Welcome to the show, Franklin,

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Speaker 1: first time, Welcome, Welcome. Yeah, we are going to get

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Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Uh. We are going to talk about Ahmad

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Speaker 1: are very uh in Georgia, that horrifying story. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the President going to a mask factory, not

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Speaker 1: in the background. Uh. We're gonna talk about the new whistleblower.

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Speaker 1: We got a new whistle blow. We are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the President's new plan to just send everybody

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Speaker 1: back to work. Uh. We're gonna talk about concerts. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Demolition Man, all that and plentymore. But first, Franklin,

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Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there is a long section of my search history as

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Speaker 1: recently as yesterday, but going back throughout the quarantine, that's

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Speaker 1: basically like when is professional soccer going to start again? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a degenerate soccer fan. Is one lens through which

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Speaker 1: I know. I think it's the Uzbecky League is still active,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't like gotten myself to actually watch those games.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they are being televised, but I just can't. I

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Speaker 1: same way. I've I feel really bad, especially have a

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Speaker 1: lot of Liverpool fans in my midst. For anybody who

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Speaker 1: really like if there was ever an argument for Liverpool

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Speaker 1: the global viral pandemic that may prevent them from having

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Speaker 1: a feel for him. I think that I totally agree,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, I love I love a

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Speaker 1: many times you get caught down sports American sports wormhole

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Speaker 1: is that I can talk soccer with somebody document read

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Speaker 1: this is all right, guys, here's a part where we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna bring Franklin in and we're just gonna wax

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Speaker 1: about that about upa saga for about forty minutes. I

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Speaker 1: would be happy to do it. Okay, Well we'll have

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Speaker 1: to talk after this, Franklin. What is something you think

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Speaker 1: is underrated? I don't think people are talking enough about

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Speaker 1: the plot against America the new David Simon Show on HBO.

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Speaker 1: It's really exceptional and like the writing of the performances,

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Speaker 1: wow is just like somebody can say, just gives the performance.

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Speaker 1: it's just a really really well done Betta television high

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Speaker 1: the news reminded that, uh yeah, things are seriously seriously

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of, like you, really solid prestige shows

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Speaker 1: founder of the Blacklist. Can you explain what the Blacklist is? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So the Blacklist started as I was working as a

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Speaker 1: Are there any other like kind of misconceptions that Hollywood

427
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: still on board with that you feel like the public

428
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: is not. It's interesting, the robot thing is weird, right,

429
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: they keep making terminator movies. I actually think that there's

430
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: been a shift in sort of how technology is viewed

431
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: as a danger. Uh, And so you're seeing like sort

432
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: of anthropomorphized technology and more like this sort of god mode,

433
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: uh sort of diffus like the Internet, right, Like I

434
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: guess the first movie like that would have been The

435
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: Net with Sandra Bullock. But like there's notion that like

436
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: aggregating information, uh, predictive technology, all these things uh pose

437
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: a real sort of existential threat to humankind. I think

438
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: you're seeing and sort of the way we interact and

439
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: our fundamental humanness. So I think you're seeing a lot

440
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: more stuff about that rather than like, you know, humanoid

441
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: robot rolling through town, like you know, shooting people. We're

442
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: getting there. Yeah, we just did a rewatch of the

443
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: movie Her, and it was funny how benign that movie

444
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: views a lot of the technology that, like Jamie was

445
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: pointing out that, like that the amount of information that

446
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: they're giving to that operating system about themselves is like

447
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: you can't watch that now and not be like, oh

448
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, they're like she's not like the other girls.

449
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 1: She's literally stealing every piece of data and giving it

450
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: to someone. She's like, Hi, I've commodified your data for you.

451
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: In the form of this book proposal. Kiss let's kiss um. Alright,

452
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about the actual world, which is awful. So

453
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: a guy named Ahmad are Y was jogging in Georgia,

454
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: and by all accounts, it seems like two racist white guys,

455
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: I think a father and son, yeah, decided that he

456
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: was a threat and chased him down in their pickup

457
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: truck and pulled a shotgun on him and then a

458
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: scuffling suit, and they murdered him. I haven't seen a

459
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: single like detail where it's like, oh no, but this

460
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: is actually like it just seems like a straight up

461
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: uh some they him down, like yeah, he was just

462
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: merely his mere presence in this neighborhood. They just decided to,

463
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, connect these dots to presume that he was

464
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: someone who was committing some kind of like break ins

465
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: or something. They were saying on this one call. You know,

466
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: you could hear the operator single, what what what is

467
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: he doing? Is he somewhere he's not supposed to be,

468
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: Like no, the thing you don't get is we've got

469
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: this guy on camera, bunch, you need to send somebody

470
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: down here. And apparently in their minds, they were justifying

471
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: their actions to some kind of some kind of bizarre

472
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: citizens arrest loophole, which has no legal carries no legal

473
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: weight at all. It's like absolutely It's a murder. It's

474
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: a straight up murder, and it's I think, like, you know,

475
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: the media needs have that needs to take more responsibility

476
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: to try and like rather than dissecting it. It's like, no,

477
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: these two men decided to just posse up and go

478
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: murder this young black man. That's that's it. That's really all.

479
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: That's all that is, and that's just sadly, that's so

480
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: normal here, you know that I found myself this is again,

481
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: on top of all the terrible ship that's going on

482
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: with the economy in the world and working people already

483
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: struggling to on top of it, I have to just

484
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: see a young young man of Colorge just killed for

485
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: no reason. Is this There's just a lot for me

486
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to to the process. Yesterday when that video came out,

487
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I still haven't seen it and I'm not

488
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: gonna watch it. Is frankly, as a black man from Georgia,

489
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: it's a little too much. Yeah yeah, yeah. Man, here's

490
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: the thing that really kills me about it. Like, look,

491
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: I grew up in Georgia, in Columbus, um, I was

492
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: on the cross country team. Used to run a lot

493
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: like in my like upper middle class neighborhood. Weirdly enough,

494
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, I've taken running back up, so I'm

495
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: often running in my neighborhood. And as bad as the

496
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: murder is and obviously awful, uh, the fact that there

497
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: weren't immediate charges brought against these two people that murdered

498
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: him is almost more terrifying because if it hadn't been

499
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: for this sort of ground swell of attention that this

500
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: thing has gotten on social media, these guys would have

501
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: gotten away with it. They still make it away with it,

502
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: to be clear, And that is the thing that that

503
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: frankly traumatizes me most because it's not it's not only

504
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: that I could get murdered in the street for literally

505
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: trying to keep my cardio of askular could it's that they,

506
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the people that did it, I wouldn't I would never

507
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: get justice, uh. And those people would just go on

508
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: about their lives as though they were somehow heroes. Uh.

509
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: And that's like fundamentally disturbing, and it should be disturbing

510
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: to literally everybody. It's dehumanizing to know that your life,

511
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: you have no legal course, if your life is just

512
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: taken from you so aggressively without thought or maybe with

513
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: plenty of thought either way that there is no legal recourse,

514
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, that's really it's tough, and like

515
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: you're saying, like it shows you too how these communities operate.

516
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Because this father and son doo. The father worked as

517
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: a police officer in the county, worked with the d A,

518
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: was you know, linked up with the the the legal

519
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: apparatus apparati apparatus ees in that area. So it was

520
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: able to be ignored for a long time, to the

521
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: point where three UH district attorneys had to recuse themselves

522
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: because of their connections to the suspect. Now they're like,

523
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: I guess maybe we'll in panel a grand jury, but

524
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: that can't happen till at least mid June because of,

525
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, the outbreak. And on top of it, people

526
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: can't demonstrate when this is clearly such a frustrating thing

527
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: to have to see and see absolutely zero response that

528
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: would make anybody that would signal to anybody that this

529
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: life is worth anything. Well, they can demonstrate the race

530
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: of white people certainly feel like they can dena straight

531
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: and go armed to the fucking state capital. Yeah, I

532
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: mean the fact that they thought that it was the

533
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: communication between them and nine one one where they were

534
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: like yeah, we like they thought they were within their rights,

535
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's just it's mind boggling that they basically were

536
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: treated as though they were ye, and the media narratives

537
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: that like built around these stories does. I mean, it's

538
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: it's awful because it's it's mainly built around like the

539
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: what really happened narrative, which in miles like you were saying,

540
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: it's so like very very clear what happened because we've

541
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: seen it happened so many times, but the focus is

542
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: still like, well let's hear all sides, let's consider every

543
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, what's the fun. Yeah no,

544
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: look a look at the video. You this man is

545
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: chased down in a truck with guys with guns and

546
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: it ends with him dead and the scuffle is imagine

547
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: if somebody any like black child in this country, especially

548
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: if if you're a young man, you you will be

549
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: told about how you you will be meeting, you will

550
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: be pulled over, and you just need to shut the

551
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: funk up because it can go south. Just deal with it.

552
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: People are going to treat you differently. Just deal with it.

553
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do twice the amount of work

554
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: for half the money. Just deal with it. That's just

555
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: what it is. And for I can, my god, if

556
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: two white people hopped out of a truck with a

557
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: gun with guns on me, what the funk am I

558
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: supposed to do? Like my first response might be to run? Honestly,

559
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: probably could be. I don't know if I'm if I

560
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: don't know if what my fight or flight response would

561
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: be in that moment. But that is a terrifying situation

562
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: into what any kind of scuffle that ensued is because

563
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: someone is clearly confronted with a situation where their life

564
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: can be taken away and they're fighting for their life.

565
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: That's all it is. And I think, yeah, there was

566
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: I think something The New York Times is like what

567
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: does defenders had to say? There's like a slug in

568
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: the article about that, And I'm like, what the funk

569
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And the story has always come

570
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: up and it's like that there's more consideration, like and

571
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: more facts and like editorials about how like this was

572
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: a like clear hate crime done in plain sight, but

573
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: that has that's only presented in an editorial sense and

574
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the and it's it's just like it's it's fucking awful, right,

575
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: because the media has to both side the UH to

576
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: do what they think their job is instead of just

577
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: like saying what the funk is right in front of

578
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: everybody's eyes. Um, And it's just really it's really frustrating

579
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: to you know, in this case, we have video show

580
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: showing us what what happened, and like, think about how

581
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: many times things like this happened and there's no video

582
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and just throughout history it's just been swept under the rug.

583
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: The Kent State story coming up and the fact that

584
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: the same thing happened at multiple black colleges, UH, and

585
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it was just swept under the rug because people of

586
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: color in America are just not given the benefit of

587
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: the doubt or the benefit of personhood essentially. There. It's

588
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: it's incredibly frustrating and terrifying. I mean, even to that

589
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: point you're saying, Franklin about just how we export white

590
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: supremacy in the media too, and like, you know, we're

591
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: people are we are a product of a lot of

592
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: the media we consume. And when a majority of the

593
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: images we present of African American people or people who

594
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: are not white as dangerous, we've we've lost the plot

595
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: because we've already set the table for people subconscious to

596
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: just have this like association because of the media to

597
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, there's a an unarmed black man

598
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: who got shot after a car accident in Minnesota. I

599
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: think this last week and because what because somebody was

600
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: like upset or whatever. But the first thing is, oh, no, this,

601
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's just dangerous. I have to protect myself

602
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: from the Yeah, we just have this really awful cycle.

603
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: And you know, again, it's it's so weird, like white

604
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: supremacy is such a huge problem in this current's it's

605
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: actually so big, like most politicians are resigned to like

606
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: not know what to do about it, aside feeling you know, uh,

607
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: it's it's and it's just, yeah, it's heart wrenching. On

608
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: top of everything that's going on. It's constant. I'm sure

609
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: the president will have something just mind bogglingly horrifying to

610
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: to say on this subject, but for the time being,

611
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: we we just have his mind bogglingly horrifying behavior in

612
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: the context of literally talking about the other front literally

613
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: every other subject. So this is a question that comes

614
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: up a lot that I uh, like, so a couple

615
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: of days ago, he was touring a mask factory, refusing

616
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: to wear a mask, and even though he was in

617
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: a big group of people and the song Live and

618
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Let Die was being blared behind him, and it just

619
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: made me wonder, like what right? But are they doing

620
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: it on purpose? Like is it was that something that

621
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: he specifically or like his people specifically uh staged because

622
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: they know that it's just the sort of like I

623
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I've been reading a lot about the Weimar

624
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Republic in Germany right before the rise of Nazism, and

625
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: how much of you know, the media at that time

626
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: was very similar to ours in the sense that they

627
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: were had a morbid fascinate like true crime was a

628
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: huge trend at that time, just like it is right

629
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: now in the United States. And they also like had

630
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: a morbid fascination with Hitler in the same way that

631
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: I think our media has a morbid fascination with Trump,

632
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Like they treated him as an entertainment and would like

633
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: breathlessly describe these like absurd appearances by him, And I

634
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: just wonder, like, is this part of Like I guess

635
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, like the intention of it, like how

636
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: much is intentional and how much isn't? But it just

637
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: seems like it's the it's the same thing where it's

638
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: it's like one absurdity layered on top of another one

639
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Speaker 1: that just makes it very difficult from just like a

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00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: mental standpoint to like have the stamina to you know,

641
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: take this on as a serious thing. I don't know.

642
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, my instinct about it is that like there's

643
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: like three things happening simultaneously. Run is that you know,

644
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: to some extent, their strategy is literally just to flood

645
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: the zone with so much that it's actual really impossible

646
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: for anybody to sort of keep up with it all.

647
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: And eventually, like if you're a member of Congress, you're like,

648
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: we literally don't have the infrastructure to manage the every

649
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: investigation we would have to do to maintain normal congressional

650
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: governmental oversight. So it's literally like trying to run drugs

651
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: across the border. It's like, yeah, if you know, half

652
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the drugs get caught, we still got half through and

653
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: we'll be able to sell them and make billions. Um.

654
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: And then the second thing is you know, white supremacy, sexism,

655
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: like you know Trump and his administration stock in trade.

656
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: But then layered on top of that is I think

657
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: this is where the intentional stuff comes from. I think

658
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: that he's like a savant at sort of giving his

659
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: base just just the same things that will make people

660
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: that don't like him rightfully say, holy crap, you're a disaster,

661
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: and that rallies his people even more to defend him

662
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: and say, no, you're not just making fun of don Trump,

663
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: you're making fun of us. We want our country back,

664
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna make sure to back this guy.

665
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: And so I really feel like a lot of this

666
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: stuff is designed to whip up the left so that

667
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: he can use the left being whipped up to whip

668
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: up the right. Um, which is, you know, disturbing on

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00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: so many levels. But um, and that doesn't mean that

670
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: we can't be upset about this and be vocal about

671
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: how disturbing all of it is. But I do think

672
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: the weird consequence of that is, right, like when he's

673
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: attacking Colin Kaepernick and we're all just like, this is

674
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: madness and there's race involved here, he then takes our

675
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: anger and goes to his base and says, they don't

676
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: love the country. They don't not only do they not

677
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: love the country, they hate the country, and they hate

678
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: you because you're the real Americans. Not Colin Kaepernick, a

679
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: guy who grew up in like, you know, sort of

680
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: suburban northern California and love playing American football and just

681
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be a good football player and took his

682
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: team to the Super Bowl. He's somehow not a real

683
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: American for like meeting with the Navy Seal and coming

684
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: up with the kneeling protest as like a respectful way

685
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: to show his protest. It's all of you people that

686
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, take an American flag and put her on

687
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: your boxer shorts um and go protest that you know,

688
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: and break into the Michigan Governor's office. You guys are

689
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: the real Americans, right, And I think also to like,

690
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: he's just really it's it's like a pattern to there's

691
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: always like there's always some there's like three bullshit Trump

692
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: stories a week that will just eat up hours and

693
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: hours of the news cycle that aren't nearly as poor

694
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: as important as the abject failure to get testing done

695
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: to secure PPE. So yeah, it's great. It's like, well, hey,

696
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: every hour they spend going and like, can you believe

697
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: this guy played Living Let Die on my Also, do

698
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: you remember that reggae part of the song. Wasn't that weird?

699
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that's part of his but but like, yes,

700
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: of course, playing that as a headline, you'd be like, yeah,

701
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: of course they're just gonna this is gonna be a

702
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: thing to talk about because it's so absurd and offensive

703
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: as all of this is happening, and as he insists on,

704
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: like hey, yeah, literally go back to work and possibly

705
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: lose your life. Yeah, don't worry about the fact that

706
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: more people have died than during Vietnam, that there's literally

707
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: a nine eleven every day in America numbers like that's

708
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: great success. Yeah, it's kind of. I mean, it's it's

709
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: frustrating too, because at this point I feel like a

710
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of people are pretty aware that this happens. That

711
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: like when Trump does something that is like so absurdly ridiculous,

712
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: it's it's calculated to an extent. I mean sometimes obviously

713
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he can help himself, but it

714
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: is calculated. But then it's just a matter of like, well,

715
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: but do we even know what this is supposed to

716
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: be diverting our attention from or do we not, Like

717
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: it's just oh, it's impossible. Yeah, yeah, it's going to

718
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: be more. So we have a new whistleblower that we

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00:40:53,840 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: want to I'm I missed this honestly. Yeah, there's well

720
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: there's two. There's there's so much bad ship going on. Uh,

721
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: like they said handing out speeding tickets at the n

722
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: D five hundred. There's just so much bad ship going

723
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: on that it's hard. Like there there's hundreds of whistleblowers

724
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: and a couple of breakthrough but miles that so this

725
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: is one who is from within Jared's bro Party super

726
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: task Force, Jared Kushner's super test. So there's also the

727
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: other whistle blower. Who's the doctor who you know, had

728
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: they just he was so stupid he actually dared to

729
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: question whether or not hydroxychloroquin was worth researching even though

730
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: it showed no results. Um, that's that's a separate case

731
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: where he's talking about how disturbing that process was. I

732
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: literally just google whistle blower. That was the one that

733
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: came up, not the other one. Wild So now we

734
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: have another one from the task force that Jared Kushner

735
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: like disaster bro Party where it was like all these

736
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: private sector people telling these FEMA experts like, yeah, we

737
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: got it from here people whose job it is to

738
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: understand disaster relief and procurement of medical supplies. I think

739
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: we think we know something. So when they started off

740
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: this task force, they were dealing with like over a

741
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: thousand leads from people about possible places to get masks, ventilators, gowns,

742
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: all kinds of Again, PPE is like the fucking word

743
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: of I feel like personal protective equipment. It's what all

744
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: these frontline workers need to stay safe and keep themselves

745
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: from getting infection. If you really want to depress yourself,

746
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: look at comparison photos of what PPE looks like for

747
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: doctors and nurses in this country and other countries, and

748
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: tell me you want to flex on your You know,

749
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: America's number one. Um. So they're going through this list.

750
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: It got to a point where they didn't know how

751
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: to work the list properly because they're not they're not

752
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: used to this. They come from the private sector. They

753
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: have no experience that they started resorting to this other

754
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: thing that was literally called the v I P Update

755
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: and it was a spreadsheet and they're like, what the

756
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: funk is this? Well, they resorted to their private sector ways.

757
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: They weren't you think, like, oh, the v i P

758
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: s are we talked and Chinese distributors, medical supply companies?

759
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: What's going on? No. Fox and Friends host Brian Kilmead

760
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: called two people in the administration to pass along a

761
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: lead about PPE that he knew about to help out. Uh,

762
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: Janine Pierro was using this like task force to try

763
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: and back channel a way to get a hospital in

764
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: New York that she was specifically like identifying to get

765
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: a large quantity of masks um And this is just

766
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of meanwhile, well, this is all going on relying

767
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: on these hosts. There were actual doctors and experts who

768
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: were trying to get ahold of the administration because they

769
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: had legitimate leads to PPE, but because they were working

770
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: their own private v i P list, this thing went

771
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: by the wayside. There was a doctor who said that

772
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: in April he was sending all these messages to volunteers.

773
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: The messages went unreturned. Quote when I offered the viable

774
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: leads at viable prices from an approved vendor, they kept

775
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: passing me down the line and made terrible deals instead

776
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: because they were just going to cronies. So that's a

777
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: glimpse into how that it's just I wish I could

778
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: say that there's a comedian who made an amazing joke

779
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: and I need to find his name, and you guys

780
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: concluded in the show notes and he said that he

781
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: figured out the equation for the reaction to Trump and it's, uh,

782
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: it's disappointment plus surprise squared. So if you do if

783
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: you do the if you do the binomial multiplication, it's

784
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: like you're disappointed that you're disappointed, You're disappointed that you're surprised,

785
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: you're surprised that you're disappointed, and you're surprised that you're

786
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: which is as a math nerd myself, it's like the

787
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: best joke I've ever heard. Uh, and so accurate because

788
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's who he is. But it's still

789
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: just like, man, I can't believe that that's what's happening. Yeah,

790
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: disappointed that you're not disappointed. Also, there's like some of

791
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: that mixed and I feel like because you're like, am

792
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: I getting too used to this? I feel like the comedian.

793
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: The comedian I just got to give a shot at.

794
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: The comedian's name is Darryl Charles. It's at Darryl Darrell

795
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Underscore on Twitter. Uh, it is his joke. It is brilliant.

796
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Y'all follow him, because that is it's the best joke

797
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: I've heard in the in the in the pandemic, that's

798
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: for sure. The despair feedback loop is real. Right, all right,

799
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

800
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: talk about some bullshit. And we're back, and Coachella still

801
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been canceled technically, which I was. I was surprised

802
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: to learn that. I thought for sure that we had

803
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: covered the fact that it had been canceled postpone. Man,

804
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: the Molly economy will crash. The Molley economy will crash.

805
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: If they do not have the Molley economy, will they

806
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: will need to bail out? Um? I mean yeah, because

807
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know why it hasn't been canceled

808
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: because most experts agree that this is a quote, Um,

809
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: most experts agree that quote there's no fucking way that

810
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: this ship is happening in quote. Um, you know, I

811
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: it's it's clearly it's gonna devastate that local economy because

812
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: that is like the hugest thing. Um. But yeah, with concerts,

813
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, you know, I've seen

814
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: articles where like there were people who are like trying

815
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: to design cool like bubble suits that you could wear

816
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: a show. So it wasn't And I get it. People

817
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: want to find solutions because the idea of not seeing

818
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: live I certainly don't ever want to not go see

819
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: live music again. Um, but you know, I states are

820
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: opening up again, uh, which is a terrible idea, but

821
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: some states are opening up, and we're starting to see

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00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: what some music venues like have in store basically to

823
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: keep people safe. So there's a venue in Arkansas, UM

824
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: that has you know, running down a few points of

825
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: what they're doing, so their capacity is being reduced by

826
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: eight percent, so they're going from people in the audience

827
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: to two nine people. Uh, they're going to have the

828
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: venue sanitized by a third party using like fog spraying.

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00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if that he affective, that is,

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00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Attendees will be checked for fevers

831
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Speaker 1: at entrances. Normal masks will be required for all concert goers. Uh.

832
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Seeding groups and quote fan pods will have at least

833
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: six ft between them. Bathroom capacity will be limited to

834
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: ten people. All drinks will have lids. Okay, okay, so

835
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: fox sprayers is that like the dry ice machine, like

836
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: the machine show. Yeah, at disinfected, then it's aerosol medium.

837
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Fans are so healthy, right exactly? Yeah, I mean I

838
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: think but a lot of like the industry analysts who,

839
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: like we're quoted in this story, people just are in general,

840
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: they don't see ticket sales ever recovering until there's a vaccine.

841
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And it's a bottom because there's clearly a group of

842
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: people who are like, I'm I'd rather not risk anything

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00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: until there's a vaccine, Like I'm just not it's not

844
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: worth it to me. Um, while there's clearly a group

845
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: who's like, there's clearly people who just don't give a funk.

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00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: That's one group who will always buy the tickets. Then

847
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: there's the next group after that's like they don't give

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00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: a funk, but they give a funk enough that maybe

849
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: if there's treatment options, then they'll start going to shows.

850
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: And then you have to fully like, no, I don't

851
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: talk to me until there's a vaccine. But it's also

852
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: like weird, right, Like you don't go to a show

853
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: just for the performance, Like you kind of go to

854
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: the show to be part of a crowd that's super

855
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: into music and like, okay, you have your little fan pod,

856
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: like your your squad's there, and everybody's hype. But like

857
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: if you're if there's five of you who are super

858
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: hyped about a show, and then there's a gap six

859
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: ft to the nearest other person, like as an artist,

860
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: like who wants to play that show? Like I'm trying

861
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: to imagine, you know, imagine trying to be the hype

862
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: man to an artist who who got to go out

863
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: and be like are you all ready? Are y'all pumped?

864
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: And people are just like, yeah, please don't cough because

865
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to die. Like that's like, that's just

866
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: not a vibe that is conducive to a good night out.

867
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: And I think movie theaters are, by the way, going

868
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: to deal with the same thing. Like the movie theaters

869
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: opening in Texas right now, and they're like, yeah, it's

870
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: basically gonna be like t s A wouldn't take your

871
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: temperature like whatever, And it's like, look, I love going

872
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: to a movie theater more than literally almost everyone in

873
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: the world. It's literally why I work in the film business.

874
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll go to like a big movie win and

875
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: if that gets released, But I'll tell you what, if

876
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: I go to a bond and someone coughs halfway through.

877
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: I will find out what happens at the end on streaming,

878
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: Like I I'm out like and and I'm not even

879
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: a germophobe. I'm just like the cost benefit analysis. Even

880
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: for me, where the benefit is high to have that

881
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: experience in a theater, the cost are literally your life.

882
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: So you're never gonna be in a position where it's like, yeah, sure,

883
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: like let me just you know, put myself at risk

884
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: for this movie that I know will be available in

885
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, like on my very nice TV

886
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: in my comfortable apartment. It's an interesting conversation to kind

887
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: of like track as people are having it because this

888
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: is like affected uh, like the comedy community, like, you know,

889
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: really significantly, and no one knows what to fucking do.

890
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: Everyone's sick of Instagram Live. No one wants to say

891
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: it out loud, uh, and it's everyone sick of it.

892
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: But but it's interesting, like the my my partner works

893
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: at a small comedy theater, and it's interesting like listening

894
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: to the conversations of like how could we conceivably reopen safely?

895
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: Like it affects every size venue, which is kind of

896
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: like a new problem. Like obviously the stadiums have it

897
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: the worst, but they also have the most resources to

898
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: deal with these problems, and so it's it is interesting

899
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: hearing like, you know, could we have partial audience capacity?

900
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Does that mean ticket sales need

901
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: to be jacked up for people to potentially not feel safe?

902
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: Or are there ways to get innovative with it? Are

903
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: there ways to have livestream technology installed so that you

904
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: can sell some physical tickets some digital tickets at maybe

905
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: different rates, Like, I mean, it's it's a horrible circumstance

906
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: to see live entertainment have to like adjust, but I

907
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: mean people are trying. I don't know, I don't know

908
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: how it will work out. It's there's no there There

909
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: is absolutely no golden standard too, and it's and it's

910
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: just going to have to be like based on people's

911
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: comfort levels, Like you can't fault anyone for not wanting

912
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: to go to a live show. I mean, and the

913
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: thing is fundamentally like no one knows what's going to

914
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: happen because we're literally dealing with a massive reorganization of

915
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: human interaction on a global scale. Uh, definitely, the first

916
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: one of those in my lifetime. Like even Line eleven

917
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: was a big deal. I was living in New York

918
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: at the time. But it didn't affect literally every moment

919
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: of my existence. It didn't affect every interaction I have

920
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: with another human being. Um. And that's literally what everyone

921
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 1: on Earth is dealing with on some level. And and

922
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: and look, if the stakes weren't so enormously high, it

923
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: would be fascinating, um, you know, as a viewer and

924
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: sort of you know, to get to experience this moment.

925
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: But the costs of it are you know, historically unprecedented.

926
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Um And and that's I don't know that we even

927
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: like are I don't know that our brains are capable

928
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: of processing the reality that we're living through right now,

929
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: because we're not meant to know about every human being

930
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: on earth and to know that every human being on

931
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: Earth is dealing with the same fear um and many

932
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: of them are dying, Like that's just not the way

933
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: our brains are built. Um. You know, even during the

934
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: Spanish fluid, right like, how did you get your news?

935
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: The newspaper and maybe a newsreel like we all knew.

936
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson went to the i CU within five minutes

937
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: and that changes the dynamic when you know that, like

938
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: everyone around the world, including prime ministers and presidents, are like,

939
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to get this disease.

940
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: I might die. I don't I don't know what it

941
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: does to humankind. But but the result is going to

942
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: be real. I just don't know what it's going to

943
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: be well, and not just that we can find stuff

944
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: out in five minutes, but that we have to have

945
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: a very nuanced and yet hilarious take on it within

946
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: ten minutes. Yeah, that's that's exactly right. That's exactly right.

947
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: It's like, how quickly can you cut together a Ghanaian

948
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Paul Bear video? People have been lightning fast with those, man. Yeah,

949
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of them after the King John Rumors.

950
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. There. Here's the one thing that I will say.

951
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: I will say that the Internet and this sort of

952
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: like in social media in particular and for me Twitter specifically,

953
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: has been like it's toxic in so many ways, but

954
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: there are moments where it is the one thing that

955
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: allows you to sort of like survive, like the ted

956
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: but Teddy Robby, baby Face Instagram Live, What's this thing?

957
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Put it in? Great moments of Twitter history, great moments

958
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: of black history, like people just cracking jokes on that

959
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: moment gave me legit three days of happiness. Um, you know,

960
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: and I think that like the way we come together

961
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: to watch the Michael Jordan's doc, like all of those

962
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: things weirdly sort of give me hope about the world

963
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: because there is still a community that exists even if

964
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: we're not together in person. Well, speaking of ways that

965
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: our reality might change, some possibilities are explored by the

966
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: great the seminal intellectual work Demolition Man. Our writer Jim

967
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: McNabb went back and did a rewatch of the movie

968
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: and he's saying that it's there's some interesting things, but

969
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: like you can easily watch it as an allegory for

970
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: like everything that the right is saying about the current crisis.

971
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: So the kind of surface level stuff that I immediately

972
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: thought of, I think a lot of people did when

973
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: you know this crisis hit was greetings like high fives

974
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: have been modified to avoid physical contact. Sex is all

975
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: done virtually because humanity has endured a slew of outbreaks.

976
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: Even kissing isn't allowed anymore. And there's a monologue from

977
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: Sandra Bolock where she says, after aids there was n RS.

978
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: After NRS, there was UBT. Not even a mouth transfer

979
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: is condoned. So it's like a series of you know,

980
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: outbreaks essentially changed the way that we physically interact with

981
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: each other. There's even a kind of meditation on our

982
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: use of toilet paper. And one of the good lines

983
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: of the movie is Sandra Bullock being like what you

984
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: just used to like watt it up and like rub

985
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: it on your ass? Like what was why did why? Yeah,

986
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: that's what we go, So they have that. Uh So

987
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: instead of that, they have a three C sell cshells system,

988
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: which like they never get into uh they're just like, yeah,

989
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: you use the three C shells. Um. But jam was

990
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: pointing out that it's kind of a weird movie to

991
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: watch right now and has sort of a conservative libertarian

992
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: message when viewed at this moment in history. Um So,

993
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: one of the problems with the Future and Demolition Man

994
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: is that PC culture has gone too far. Uh And

995
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: the problem with the future police force is that they

996
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: don't use guns, which is insane that police not shooting

997
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: enough people would be a problem. And then there's like

998
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: a doctor who kind of has taken control because of

999
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: future pandemics like this doctor consolidates control and makes it

1000
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: so nobody can kiss. Uh. And then like at the

1001
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: end of the movie, there's like this triumphant moment where

1002
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Sylvester Sloane grabs her and they physically kiss, and it's like, yes,

1003
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: because this doctor, doctor Cocktaw Cocteau, used these disasters to

1004
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: take over society and is now like a messianic overlord

1005
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: of of their new society. So it's like, it's basically

1006
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: what I think people who follow Q think of Dr Fauci.

1007
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: It's like these guys just lying to us so that

1008
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: we follow his liberal bullshit. Yeah, I don't know it's

1009
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: And then, by the way, the here ows of the story,

1010
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: the Dennis Leary characters like Gang are this literal under

1011
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: class of rebels. Yeah, Dennis ladies in it and stops

1012
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: for like five minutes to just regurgitate one of his

1013
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: like stand up routines. Well, here's what amazing. I just

1014
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: googled Demolition Man while you were talking. Apparently there's a

1015
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: sequel coming. So that's two days ago. Stallone announced that

1016
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: he was working on a sequel, which is like wow,

1017
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, shot out to shout out to the screenwriter

1018
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: of demolition Man Daniel Waters because he also wrote Heathers,

1019
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: which is like, yeah, yeah, he wrote a Heather's, Hudson Hawk,

1020
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: The Avengers of four Fair Lane and demolition Man and

1021
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: other things. But but look, if you can put if

1022
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: you can put up Heathers and Demolition Man in one career,

1023
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: you're doing. You're doing. You're doing pretty well. Anyways, Yes,

1024
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Stallone is now because he's getting it's getting a lot

1025
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: of attention, and he is nothing if not an opportunist.

1026
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, we're doing We're doing the sequel. It's

1027
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: already been written and someone has to actually write the sequel, right, yeah,

1028
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: people just get man. Stallone wrote Rocky. Don't don't bet

1029
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: against him. Don't bet against him. He is an Oscar

1030
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: winner as a writer, I think, But who could the

1031
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like Marco Branbia, who directed, you know,

1032
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: like one of his only films he ever did, because

1033
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: he's more of an artist and an actual film director.

1034
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: I would I would love to. I mean, it would

1035
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: be great if they're like, hey, will you just come

1036
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: back for this one? We'll stop working with you. We

1037
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: know the studio completely repulsed you from filmmaking, which is

1038
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: why you were a one and done director. But like

1039
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: maybe this like Demolition Man has a look because the

1040
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: director was such a sort of artist who was being

1041
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: willing to be just so free with it and just

1042
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of weird that I'm curious. I wonder. I don't know,

1043
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I want Marco Branbia to take over that because would

1044
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: be a shame if it was like I don't know who, whomever,

1045
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: someone without the the vision to bring Santa this back

1046
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: to life. Yeah, I'm just looking at it. I'm looking

1047
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: at Brandilla's bio bio right now and like, wow, what

1048
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: a life? Yeah is that when I brought this upsides

1049
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: Demolition Man? He was like an artist right Yeah, he's

1050
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: as like a visual artist, um like, And I was

1051
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: telling when Gabris was on, like if you've been to

1052
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: the Standard Hotel in New York and you see the

1053
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: visual art in the elevator where you're like ascending and descending,

1054
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: it's like a stitch together video piece. That's Marco Brambilla's work.

1055
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: And he does these. He does these massive video installations

1056
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: which are if you can ever see them, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't suggest them enough. They're three dimensional. He'll project

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Speaker 1: them like eight feet high by like fifteen feet wide,

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Speaker 1: and it'll just be a side scrolling just mural of

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Speaker 1: video stitched together where you'll see like you know, Stormtroopers

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Speaker 1: from Star Wars and the Muncheons and Wizards. I was

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Speaker 1: like like meticulously cut out and stitched together. It's really

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Speaker 1: it's like his works really out there. But that's the

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Speaker 1: guy who gave us like visually Demolition Man, and I

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Speaker 1: I would hate for it to just fall flat and

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Speaker 1: it just kind of looked like, you know, like Judge

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Speaker 1: dread or something. That's amazing. The only actors he ever

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Speaker 1: worked with were like Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, and Sandra Bulick.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, so that's that's what actors are. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go on record. I think we're doing

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Speaker 1: for a Wesley Snipes reconnaissance. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys saw don't my Name. He's amazing in that, Like

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Speaker 1: it gives a great performance. That's another movie that was

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Speaker 1: underrated by the way, um and um yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: feel like Passenger, we do for that yet, Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: just just one seed over. Yes, I need to watch

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Speaker 1: a Drop Zone sequel to be honest. He's amazing, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was great and white man can't jump.

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Speaker 1: There's also like he is a font of like these

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Speaker 1: just off the cuff things like we we compiled a

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Speaker 1: list of like things he was overheard saying on film

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Speaker 1: sets that are just like so great and cool. Like

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Speaker 1: at one point he said, some motherfucker's are always trying

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Speaker 1: to ice skate uphill, Like he said that just off

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Speaker 1: the cuff about somebody, just like yeah, he's like a

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Speaker 1: philosopher and like I would man. Another underrated thing is

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Speaker 1: specifically divine Joy Randolph's performance in Dolomite is my name.

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Speaker 1: People need to know her name. She's a very talented

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Speaker 1: actress performance. Maybe it's time to rewatch that movie. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it since it was first released, and I'm

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Speaker 1: already ready to see it again. It's really good. Well, Franklin,

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Speaker 1: it has been a real pleasure having you on the

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Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Franklin Leonard on Twitter Franklin J. Leonard on Instagram. The

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Speaker 1: Blacklist is the th H E B L C K

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Speaker 1: is just Blacklist with no vowels B l C K

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Speaker 1: L S T dot com. Check us out if you

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Speaker 1: like movies, if you're trying to write movies or television. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of like there's the website that

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Speaker 1: that has fees, but we have a lot of free

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Speaker 1: and learn about the film industry and all of those things.

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Speaker 1: We really just try to be a place where people can, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, get the opportunity to do what they're capable of. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: And uh, is there a tweet or some other work

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Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying? There is? Uh so

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Speaker 1: the Pulitzer Prize obviously that they were awarded yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people who I am lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: know personally actually won Nobel Prizes, which is there are

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Speaker 1: not Nobel Prizes, but Pulitzers. Uh. Trump confused me with

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Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize. Uh. But Nicole Hannah Jones, who did

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Speaker 1: the sixteen nineteen project UM and runs the I T.

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Speaker 1: B Well Center UM tweeted literally just a few hours

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Speaker 1: ago it's a photo of her in childhood. UM and

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Speaker 1: she literally the tweet is just this little girl on

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Speaker 1: the left from the Black Side of Waterloo, Iowa went

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Speaker 1: on to win a Pulitzer. Don't let someone tell you

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Speaker 1: that what you can't do, And it literally is like

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Speaker 1: on the left is a photo of her as a child,

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Speaker 1: she's probably maybe four years old, maybe younger, and on

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Speaker 1: the right is literally her and in the background on

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Speaker 1: her television is the Pulitzer Prizes logo. Um, And it's

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, man, like, don't let anybody tell you

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Speaker 1: what you can't do. Uh, you might not be able

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Speaker 1: to do it, but don't trust them about it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Figure like, look, if I came and said I'm going

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Speaker 1: to play in the Premier League, people would rightfully be like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I should figure out on my own

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Speaker 1: that I am forty one years old with bad knees

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Speaker 1: and ankles and have no busines. There's probably even playing

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Speaker 1: competitive soccer much left at the highest level in the world.

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Speaker 1: But don't, like, unless you really trust somebody, don't don't

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: listen to them. It just look a cliche and like

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Speaker 1: weirdly like l a inspirational, but like on a fundamental level,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely true. And like, as a black kid from

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Speaker 1: Georgia who finds himself in a situation where like this week,

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Speaker 1: I was on a panel with Pulitzer Prize winner Nicole

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Speaker 1: Hannah Jones. Definitely didn't see that as part of my

1140
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Speaker 1: my life story, and that means I'm definitely doing something

1141
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: right right exactly. Ignore the other haters, be your own hater.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that is that is weirdly the mantra

1143
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: I probably have to acknowledge. Treasily just tweeted, don't hate

1144
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Speaker 1: the player, hate yourself. Man, that is too real. Where

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Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you? You can find me

1146
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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jamie Loft, his help Instagram, Jamie christ Superstar.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the still cast. We've got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: great episodes coming out soon. We're doing one on Bad

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Speaker 1: Moms this week for Mother's Day. Um, and I'm going

1150
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Speaker 1: to I think this is the second time I've recommended

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Speaker 1: my mom's online content. Uh. But my mom finally, after

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Speaker 1: years of pressure, dropped her one and worst recipe, which

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Speaker 1: I think I've talked about on the show before, My

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Speaker 1: Mom's taco salad that has nothing to do with tacos

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Speaker 1: or salad. She finally dropped the recipe. Uh, and I

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Speaker 1: posted it to my Twitter. It's truly disgusting. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to make some it's uh ingredients a

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Speaker 1: pound of ground beef, a package of taco seasoning, an

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Speaker 1: entire bottle of Kraft Catalina dressing, a bag of a

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Speaker 1: one pound bag of shredded Mexican cheese, and a single

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Speaker 1: bag of uh nacho cheese doritos. So you want consume

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Speaker 1: three million calories in a single bite, you gotta. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it tastes like uh, it tastes bad, and

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Speaker 1: it tastes like everything that I've ever loved in my

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Speaker 1: entire life. I mean, I just love. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how it's a salad, like I'm reading the recipe,

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Speaker 1: but the way your mother writes a recipe, she's making

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Speaker 1: this sound really elegant though, because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, obviously brown the beef, but it's like

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Speaker 1: play season grump crumbled ground beef in a mixing slife

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Speaker 1: serving both fair drizzle and fold Craft Catalina dressing, fold

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Speaker 1: in shredded Mexicans. Okay, it's very open till essential process

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Speaker 1: making this horrible. Open Dorito's bag to release air and

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Speaker 1: crushed chips gently right inside the bag poor crushed nacho

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Speaker 1: chips over the mixture and folding. I love I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: eat this. It's good. It's good. Miles, Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you? And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Friend?

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Speaker 1: You can find me Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Gray,

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Speaker 1: the future. Uh, some tweets that I like one or

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Speaker 1: some past guests. Guests Joss Kaufman at Joss dot com says,

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Speaker 1: and if you've been on Instagram, you know this trope. Uh, people,

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Speaker 1: it's just her tweet is people love posting pictures of

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Speaker 1: themselves and their significant others standing on a beach in

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Speaker 1: North Face Jackets saying, quote, can't wait for more adventures

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Speaker 1: with this one. I just fucking hate those posts, man. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then there's another one. This is from at Jade

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Speaker 1: LN one to three. She just writes, I just saw

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Speaker 1: this on FB and uh and I about snorted. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna show you this photo that she has these like

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Speaker 1: women in like leather sort of dominatrix out for with

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Speaker 1: whips and they're whipping a bunch of bald white men

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Speaker 1: in a pit mine wearing thongs because when women are

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Speaker 1: in power, they're going to want to wear uh just

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Speaker 1: wildly uncomfortable dominatrix here and and that's and that's why

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Speaker 1: real men don't go have head Yeah, that's right. Next

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Speaker 1: you know, you're in a pit mine wearing a thong.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that? Uh? That thread don't lean in

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Speaker 1: strong man about like men. Uh, I gotta send it

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Speaker 1: to you. But this this guy has this like long

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Speaker 1: thread about like reading the body language of couples together.

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Speaker 1: And if the guy is leaning into the woman, then

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Speaker 1: he's like a cock. But if the woman's winning into

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Speaker 1: the man, man that But it's like so elaborate and

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Speaker 1: like deeply thought through and just just wrong. It's amazing. Um.

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Speaker 1: Bro as a Why tweeted the Sherwin Williams logo goes

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Speaker 1: so fucking hard. Uh, it's just uh, it's the can

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Speaker 1: of paint being poured on the globe and it's covering

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Speaker 1: the globe and it says cover the earth, but it's

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Speaker 1: red paint, so it's like very ominous. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: Christina at Floozy Esquire tweeted you're telling me a random

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Speaker 1: house published this book. Uh. You can find me on

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Speaker 1: Guys on Instagram. Uh. We have a Facebook fan page

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Speaker 1: on a website, Daily zy Guys dot com where we

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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to

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Speaker 1: the information that we've talked about in today's episode, as

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Speaker 1: well as the song we ride out on miles What

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Speaker 1: is that going to be today? I just want to

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Speaker 1: connect some dots for people. So we were talking, I

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Speaker 1: was time. Uh. I don't know if I brought up

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Speaker 1: on the show, but Tony Island passed away. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe it's on a trends episode. Who's one of the

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Speaker 1: you know godfathers of AfroB music and fantastic drummer um

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Speaker 1: and yeah, a sad death wasn't from COVID nineteen but

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Speaker 1: passed away last week. And the reason I even got

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Speaker 1: into Tony Allen is because I'm a huge, you know,

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Speaker 1: sample based hip hop head from the nineties. Um. And

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Speaker 1: there's a beat that Jay Diller produced for Common called

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Speaker 1: the Heat on the Like Water for Chocolate album and

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: this beat is really dope, and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: this is such an interesting sample. Uh. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: as a kid, you start obsessing, you figure out what

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Speaker 1: the sample was. It's Tony Allen. So this is the

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Speaker 1: song heat uh, produced by jadaf by comment. So check

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Speaker 1: that out and then if if you like that, get

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Speaker 1: into Tony Allen. He's done a lot and he's funky.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna write out on that the daily

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for today. We'll be back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what's trending. Talk to you then

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