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Speaker 1: year to have Chris Bussard on the podcast. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm looking forward to the chatter. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: into like general basketball. So if this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: the process for you as Chris Bussart the fan first,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, because you watch, you tweet, you know,

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Speaker 1: is it like and how many screens are you watching? Well,

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Speaker 1: didn't have sports debate shows, right, you didn't have twenty

424
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: four seven uh radio station. No, you obviously didn't have

425
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: social media stuff. So we don't really remember Jordan's six

426
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: for twenty two shooting nights, or the missed shots at

427
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: the end of the games that Michael may have had,

428
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: or just the bad performances or whatever. We only remember

429
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: all the great stuff. And with Lebrian, we are seeing

430
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: and dissecting and analyzing the good and the bad. So

431
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: and he says, I consequent the report, it's it's a

432
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: right and and and everybody in the is in the psychoanalysis.

433
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: Oh he meant this, He tweeted this, meant this, And

434
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: we don't we a lot of times, we don't have

435
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: any idea, Um, but everybody makes their opinions on it.

436
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: And I've thought about that with Kobe, Like Kobe came

437
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: into the league at seventeen and left at what was

438
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: the thirty seven, thirty eight whatever. Um, he literally grew

439
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: up in front of everybody. And you know, I mean

440
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: you were young as an actor, so you can relate

441
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: to it somewhat. But I think that changes people compared.

442
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: People usually called me to Kobe Bryant of acting because hey,

443
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: take it back, Yo, you were dope and higher learning.

444
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I said, But, um, think about the changes you went

445
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: through as a person from seventeen to thirty seven, and

446
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: none of it was caught on Instagram. That's that's the thing. Like,

447
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people will say, well, so

448
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: and so has changed or he's not what he used

449
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: to be. Well, of course we've changed. You know, you change.

450
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: You should want him to change, hopefully for the better,

451
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: and grow and you know, have different opinions and evolved

452
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: opinions and evolve the way you you think about things. Um.

453
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 1: Going back to the personalities and the players, I asked you,

454
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, you said Hub, you said Popovich, you said

455
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: Van Gundy. Out of the players that you've covered when

456
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: you've gotten to talk to them about a game or

457
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: post game or pregame or you know, however you've interacted

458
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: with him specifically about basketball. Who are the ones where

459
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: you like, forget on the court. It could be a

460
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: man with Genobli like where you like just like but

461
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: like when you're talking to them about basketball, you're like,

462
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: this guy is able to articulate the game in a

463
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: way that inspired you or like impressed you. Yeah, I mean,

464
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: I think the obvious one for me was Lebron. I mean,

465
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: he knows the game so well and you know, matchups

466
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: and and his memory. I mean you saw it a

467
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: little bit the other night when he recalled like the

468
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: first two minutes of the game against Boston or whatever.

469
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: His recall his um knowing basically what everybody on the

470
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: court should be doing, certainly everybody on his team, UM,

471
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: and what everybody on the other team was doing. It

472
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: just over the years talking to him about things like

473
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: that when you saw him no, no, no, no, no,

474
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean because you you just in talking to him

475
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: over the years, I've seen that. UM. So he stands

476
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: out the most as far as not let's see, I'm

477
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: trying to think of some of the other guys, um,

478
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: you know who was a good guy and you probably

479
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: saw his living in New York and and just reading

480
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: the stuff. Latrell Spreewell low key, especially when he got

481
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: to New York because he took he was the spokesperson

482
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: and this was after the p J Corlissimo and you'd

483
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: see him after the games be like, no, this isn't

484
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, like they would go because Pat

485
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: wasn't talking, you know, Mace with you know, Mason oak

486
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Orn talking uh and Latrelle was he was. He was

487
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: really good, under underrated and underappreciated. I think, yeah, he

488
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: was great because he was intelligent, he was well spoken. Um,

489
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: it's funny, and look for the media, he was great.

490
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Like after practice we got him every day and he

491
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: was great. He'd give you whatever you need it but

492
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: away from the facility, which I get, but he was

493
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: just like, this is my time. So one time I

494
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: needed him for something. So we were in San Antony.

495
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Actually I don't even know if I was with the team.

496
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: I think it was preseason, but I had for some

497
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: reason I had to talk to him. So I called

498
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: the hotel where the team was at and you know,

499
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if I asked for him or what,

500
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: but I got the phone rang, you know, in this room.

501
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: I think it was a hotel room, so he I

502
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: think it was him that picked it up because the

503
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: guy sounded exactly like him. And I'm like, yeah, can

504
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: I speak with the trail This is Chris Bruce And

505
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: he again, he sounded exactly like him. He's like, oh,

506
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: you know he's not here. This this is his brother,

507
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you know. And I talked to his brother before and

508
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it was his brother, but yeah, something.

509
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: And then other stories, you know, you you may have

510
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: heard stories about players, um using all types of aliases,

511
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, um when they check in the hotel that

512
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: I've had players to help me that sometimes they'll get

513
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: into a city, uh for a game, you know, the

514
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: night before, a day before whatever, and um, they got

515
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: messages on their machine from girls women they don't know,

516
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: six messages from women. Hey, I'm so and so you

517
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: don't know me, but I think you're cute to one,

518
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, like just all types of stuff that that

519
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: these guys deal. And here's the thing about NBA players too.

520
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: They have a ton of free time, man, I mean

521
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: because you think about like your twentywo years old or whatever,

522
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: and you have practice for say two hours, that might

523
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: total three and a half four hours maybe of your day,

524
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: and then that's it. So maybe from you know, you're

525
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: up at the facility from nine to one or nine

526
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: the news and then you literally have the rest of

527
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: the day to just do whatever you got money to burn.

528
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying. It's a lot

529
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: that you can get into. And it's a lot of

530
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: traps out there for these guys. You know, it's crazy.

531
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Um, when you would say, uh, you don't

532
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: use the term as much when you would say sources,

533
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: have told me, who the hell were your sources? Where

534
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about players? Are you talking about gms? Where

535
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: you're these imaginary friends? Is this cast? So when you

536
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: would say sources, because that was something that I always

537
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: was like, what is he talking about sources? Like who

538
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: is his sources? And just the way you would say

539
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: it and phrase it, and and you always seem like

540
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: you were having so much fun doing it. So so

541
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: when you were saying, so, who the hell are the sources? Sources?

542
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: It could be anybody, Okay it Well, I don't want

543
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: to say, anybody, but sources could be There's times I

544
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: had an owner of a team be a source. And

545
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, the general rule in journalism has always been,

546
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, get to at least two sources know before

547
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: you go with something. But there were times when I

548
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: had it from the owner that the trade was going

549
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: down or whatever, and I would just go with it

550
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: because I knew it was the owner, you know what

551
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean, And we had a good enough relationship right

552
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't being exactly. So it could be an owner,

553
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: it could be an executive president, gm um, coach, could

554
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: be a coach, could be a player or any of

555
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the But here's the thing about players. Now, players will

556
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: know about things like the locker room climate, how the

557
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: players feel about the coach, or how two players feel

558
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: about each other, or fight in the locker room or

559
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: a practice. They'll know stuff like that. Players generally don't

560
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: know trade stuff. They're coming to you a lot of

561
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: times they want you to what you heard, what you hear,

562
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: so they don't know about any of that. So that's

563
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It could be different people for different stuff.

564
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: Other times, good sources have been friends of players because

565
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like a coach might if let's

566
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: say there was a fight or bruhaha in practice, a

567
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: coach gonna tell the players, look, don't say anything to

568
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the press. Because before I started covering the NBA and

569
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I started covering the so up till maybe I don't

570
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: know when they changed, maybe ninety three is somewhere around there,

571
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: But the practices used to be open to the media,

572
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: so you could go and watch the entire practice that

573
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: you do it I would have now when I got

574
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: into the league, that was over. You might you used

575
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: to get like maybe you might get ten minutes at

576
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: the end of practice, and by then they're shooting free throws,

577
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: so you really and then you get the coach and

578
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: then you and I got so you're not we generally

579
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: my my whole time covering the league, we rarely, you know,

580
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: ever got to see any real practice footage, you know,

581
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: or stuff going on. So and I was to Mike

582
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: for Teller, who was the first coach I covered when

583
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: he was coaching the Cavaliers, and I we were talking

584
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: about why why that is? You know, he's a great

585
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: person to talk. Yeah, for Teller was, and he was

586
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: a great coach too, you know, he was nuts. He

587
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: had the little fro too. He was another one that

588
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Scott you should get. You're like, yo, chill man, you're nuts.

589
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: He would get. Mike would get hyped on the sidelines,

590
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and in practice and everything. But he um,

591
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: he was saying that, look, he said, if I let

592
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: you in the practice, he was like, I wouldn't generally mind.

593
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine. But he's like, if if you're

594
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: in practice and two of my team, two of my

595
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: players getting a fight and you're watching, are you going

596
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: to report it? I'm like, yeah, I got you know,

597
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: I gotta report it. I mean, that's a big story.

598
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: You know. He's like, that's why we don't let you

599
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: in practice. He like, nine times out of ten, it's

600
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. He says. It happens

601
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: whether it's a full out fight or you know, guys

602
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: yelling at each other and then they get up in

603
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: each other's face or their people hold them back. Um.

604
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: And he says a lot of time, most times there's

605
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: nothing and they'll make up that evening in the locker

606
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: room wherever, and it just it's not even a big deal.

607
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: But once you write it, the headline is you know,

608
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Johnson and Brown got into it in practice, he said,

609
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Now it becomes a big, huge distraction to my team.

610
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: Now it becomes a story where and I and I

611
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: could relate because when I played ball in college, I

612
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: almost got in the fight with a guy. We had

613
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: teammates almost getting fights, and later like I, me and

614
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: this dude squared up, we're talking trash and we're about

615
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: to fight. And later that night we were in the

616
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: bar having a drink together. Exactly, it's totally and and

617
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: then you know, you ask now, now, so let's say

618
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: that headlines out there. So now after practice we're asking

619
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: each player, so, so what happened? And then we're asking

620
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: other players and they got to talk about it. And generally,

621
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: especially in New York, they're not gonna believe you when

622
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the players say, oh, it's no big deal. Now there's

623
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be it's gonna be written and talked about.

624
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: There's bad blood between these two guys. And again it

625
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: might not be anything, but going forward, if there's any

626
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: anything that might be related, one of the players has

627
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: a bad game, but one of the players, they're yelling,

628
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: like you see it a lot. Now when a player

629
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: and a coach or two players are yelling at each

630
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: other on the bench. You that happens sometimes in sports, yes, yes,

631
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: but we blow it out of proportion. Now sometimes it

632
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: really is something, but most time you're watching it over

633
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and over on every page, and then you're talking about

634
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: on every TV show, so it becomes a big deal.

635
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: But um, so the coach may say, don't say anything

636
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: to me or the players even just on their own. No, look,

637
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: don't say nothing. We ain't gonna say nothing. But they

638
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: may not come out and tell the media. But guess

639
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: who they're gonna tell on the way home. You know, yo, man,

640
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: you won't believe it's so and so they got into

641
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: it the day. And so if you cool with some

642
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: of the boys, that's when you can get a lot

643
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah. So you wouldn't go to

644
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: one of the boys for a trade story. You wouldn't

645
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: go to a player for a trade story, but you

646
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: go to them for certain you know, other things. So

647
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: like when I was reporting, nobody knows who this was.

648
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: But when I was reporting on Lebron going to Miami,

649
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: like I broke Wade and Bosh going to Miami and

650
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: I broke uh, you know, Lebron going to Miami. You

651
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: were the first one in I don't know. I mean

652
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: it was so they were so different than because Twitter.

653
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I didn't feel back then that you broke stories on

654
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Twitter there was two thousand ten because my feeling was

655
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: a break. To break a story, you you had the details,

656
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: you had, why, you had what, you know what I mean,

657
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: whereas now it's just the headline basically on Twitter. So

658
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: I know Alan Hyne from you know, uh uh he

659
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: was at Newsday. I think at that time he had

660
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: something about it. I had stuff about it. Stephen A.

661
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Smith has stuff about it. So we all had, you know,

662
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: him going to Miami and stuff like that. Um, but

663
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: I got most of that, Like that stuff was from

664
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, a friend, um, you know of of some

665
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: of the players. I got you who knew what was

666
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: going down. Um. And so you know, you just gotta

667
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, a source could be anyway. You gotta make

668
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: sure they know what they're talking about and they're close

669
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: enough to know it. It's got to be a trustworthy

670
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what's interesting because where you mentioned sources, say,

671
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: I kind of became famous for that. I think the

672
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: biggest time I became famous for at was when it

673
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: was the show literally where Lebron went to Miami and

674
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I was on with Mike Wilbon. I think you're on

675
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, I can't remember who Handah Storm. Maybe

676
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if John Barry was, But anyway, on

677
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: that show, I said, because I've been talking the last

678
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: couple of days about he's going to Miami, and so

679
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: they were finally like, you know, well, so Chris, what

680
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: is it? And I said, uh, my heart, you know

681
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: I'm from Cleveland, was like, my heart is saying Cleveland,

682
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: but my sources say Miami. And that's when it really

683
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: took off. Interesting story, that's crazy. I remember that. Yeah,

684
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: that was when it really became okay, so interesting story.

685
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm I would say less than ten minutes before I

686
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: go on that show and again I've been reporting Miami. Miami.

687
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: A coach calls me from another team and he says, hey, man,

688
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I just heard something like the Miami Herald or one

689
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: of the Miami papers had a big you know, they

690
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: had the Lebrons going to Miami headline on their paper

691
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: ready to go, and they just recalled it. And he's like, yo,

692
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you better check it out. Man. I don't know I

693
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: think you might be wrong, Like this is literally right

694
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: before I'm going on the air, But I was I

695
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: was secure in the sources that Okay, it's uh, you know,

696
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I felt I had a good source on that too,

697
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: that he's going to Miami, so and and and it

698
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: was an unproven source at the time, but like I

699
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, right, but where it came from and

700
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: the source, I was like, and it was it was

701
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: the source was right. Well, when you look back on

702
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: that moment, and I don't want to go too much

703
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: down the little bron you know, rabbit hole, how big

704
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: of a shift in the n b A and the

705
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: way players um post the big three in Miami and

706
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: and all the guys that have come after him, and

707
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: all the the big threes that have worked and that

708
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: haven't worked. Like when when you said that, like it

709
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: almost gave me goose bunce because I remembered you saying

710
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: about my heart Cleveland, my sources, you know. And then

711
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: obviously all the good, the bad, and the the the

712
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: ugly and the and the critics of of of him

713
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: going to Miami, they're going to back to Cleveland. How

714
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: big of a big bang shift moment in the culture

715
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: and and the way teams are thought about is that

716
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: like when Lebron finally leaves, he's such a force, He's

717
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: such an incredible player. And you know, he said a

718
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: couple of incarnations of his big threes, like like's gonna

719
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: be a documentary on that. Yeah, it changed him. Going

720
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: to Miami changed everything. And I'm not we're not even

721
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: talking about the championships and all that. If he doesn't

722
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: go to Miami, I'm willing to say We'll never know

723
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: for sure, but I'm saying I say this, Durants not

724
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: in Golden State Lebron, what's Draymond was absolutely right, remember

725
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: when he said when Lebron was supposedly complaining about the

726
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Golden State Super Team, and and Draymond after their championship

727
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you started it right. He's exactly right. Like,

728
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Durant feels like he could go to

729
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Golden State unless Lebron had done it before. So that

730
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: changed everything in there. Look a lot of guys that

731
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: hadn't worked out for So if Lebron doesn't do that,

732
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Remember Mellow forced his way out of

733
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Denver to New York. I don't know that that happens.

734
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: And in the end of we have to say that

735
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't work out for Mellow Now didn't Crew It increased

736
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: his celebrity. You know, he was already a superstar, but

737
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: it increased it more so probably off the court, you

738
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But as from a basketball standpoint,

739
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Chris Paul forced his way out of

740
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Um that you know, it didn't hurt him

741
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: basketball wise, but they didn't obviously didn't go anywhere with

742
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: the Clippers. They didn't go past the second round. Um,

743
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard, that's the worst one that Dwight Howard ruined,

744
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: ruined his career. If he had just stayed in Orlando,

745
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: he'd probably have a statue there one day. Um. That

746
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: was a good team. I mean, it made the finals,

747
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: but it was that grass is always greener, so a

748
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of guys just, you know, everybody just started getting

749
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: more ideas about moving on and the grass is greener,

750
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: and you know, but heck, Darren Williams in Utah, he

751
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: was on a Hall of Fame trajectory. And I granted

752
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: he had injuries in New Jersey and all that. Brooklyn,

753
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: so maybe he would have started and hurt in Utah.

754
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Who knows, but he kind of forced that move that

755
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna resign, so you probably need

756
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: to trade me or whatever. And so, um, a lot

757
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: of guys. Look, there are certain players lebron K d

758
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: who are so great they're gonna be great anywhere, you know.

759
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: But then there are a lot of players who are

760
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: legitimately great, but they're also in a great system for them.

761
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: They're in the right place for them, and they're not

762
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: recognized now, they don't recognize it. All Right, we're at

763
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: We're at the recording of this podcast. The Celtics are

764
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: up two games versus the Cavaliers. Houston is tied with

765
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: Golden State one one Cleveland versus Boston. Chris Broussard, what's

766
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the rest of that series? Well, what

767
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: is your prediction? What is your take on it? And

768
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: and how surprised are you that Cleveland is down two zero?

769
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: My pick was Cleveland and six maybe five going in,

770
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: So obviously five is out the window. Um, generally I

771
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: like to just stick with my picks, you know, but

772
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: you can't stick with that now it Cleveland, First of all,

773
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: I got nothing but respect for Boston and Brad Stevens

774
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: is incredible, um and they're they're literally defined conventional wisdom.

775
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Typically for a typically not every single time, but for

776
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: a team to get this far conference finals and be

777
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: up to oh, you usually are have a superstar. Just

778
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: look at the other three teams, Hardening, Chris Paul in

779
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: Houston obviously, Golden States got four stars, and then Cleveland's

780
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: got Lebron. You generally don't get in this position without

781
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: a superstar. So they have no superstar. That's number one.

782
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Their two best players got hurt, that's number two. They

783
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: they're leading scores in the playoffs are twenty year old

784
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum, who's the youngest player ever to lead a

785
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: team and scoring in the playoffs and get to the

786
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: conference youngest. Your second leading scores twenty one Jalen Brown.

787
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: That's unprecedented. So those are the reasons that Brad Stevens

788
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: is getting all of this credit because we've never seen

789
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: this done before. But the players look past. Once you

790
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: get past Lebron, Boston has more talent. They got three

791
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: number three picks, al Horford, Jalen Brown, Jayson Tatum. Terry

792
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Rosier was a six team pick. Uh Marcus Morris was

793
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: a fourteen pick with just lottery, so they've got Marcus

794
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: was a lottery pick. They have more talent than Cleveland.

795
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: They're younger, they're hungrier. I compare them the other day

796
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: to Rocky, and I know they're more talented relatively speaking,

797
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: the Rocky was, but that you know, Cleveland, Lebron's like Apollo,

798
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: knocking them, debolishing them, punching them all all night, jabbing,

799
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, hooking, beating them down, and they just keep coming.

800
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, they keep coming. I think, not so much

801
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Lebron maybe, but the team as a whole, Cleveland don't

802
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: at this point I got they don't look like they

803
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: got the heart for a real fight. They looked, you know,

804
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I compared it to Lebron the other day, look like

805
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: a great talented fighter who had gotten hurt. I mean

806
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: they because what they want to do is like I said,

807
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: like hit you early, hurt you early, and make you

808
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: quit and then they can coast. Like Indiana, whenever they

809
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: would get out to a significant lead, they would start coasting.

810
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, they're in a nail fighter and

811
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: they went by two or whatever. They don't want now.

812
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Toronto just played into their hands because they submitted once

813
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: they hit them. Toronto reminded me of Tyson's last maybe

814
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: five or six fights before Buster does with Frank Bruno

815
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: Carl the Truth Winds where they were so scared going

816
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: in Michael Spinks that as soon as he hit them.

817
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: I ain't saying it didn't hurt, but as soon as

818
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: he hit him a few times, they would go because

819
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to. They were so terrified and

820
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: they didn't want to fight. And Boston wants to fight.

821
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: They're They're like a vander or Buster Douglas to type, like,

822
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere, and I don't know that Cleveland

823
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: really wants to sustain that have that type of fight

824
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: where we gotta fight for forty eight minutes. And I'm

825
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna say this, I would love to see Lebron in

826
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: the finals because he's Lebron, He's as rettist player in

827
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: the world all that. But I got meit, there's a

828
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: big part of me that wants to see Boston because

829
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: I think Boston. They won't. I don't think they'll win,

830
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: They'll be the heavy underdog, but they would make it

831
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: a better series because they would fight. Now, I think

832
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: they might lose the Golden State in four maybe five,

833
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: but they would be four or five hard fought games.

834
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be easy for Golden stated the style of

835
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: basketball because it would be like they both play like

836
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: a really nice looking style of es and they got

837
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: players who are versatile, can shoot the three, can take

838
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: your off, a similar athleticism. Yep, great coaching. So um,

839
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But I think you know, everybody's

840
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: talking about where Lebrian goes l A. You think I

841
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: just think, like you know, I don't think he's going

842
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia. I don't think like that. It's in the plan,

843
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna end my career in Philly. And I

844
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: love the city of Philadelphia. I love Rocky, I love

845
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: phil you know, I love the roots. I love you know,

846
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: the sound sound, the sound of the sound of Philadelphia.

847
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: I love I love. I think you're forgetting and look,

848
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: the Sixers are no comparison to the Lakers. But Philadelphia,

849
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: for a team that only has what two titles I

850
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: believe sixty seven with Will and eight three with Dr

851
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: J and Moses Um, they have a rich basketball history

852
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: because they had Will, they had Dr J, they had

853
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: Mos Malone Ai. You know, so that's not like going

854
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: to Charlotte. You know what I'm saying just for him,

855
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: like everybody's like, l A, l A, he wants to

856
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: be in film business. I just think he was like, oh,

857
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: that sort of just popped up. I mean, what do

858
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: you think? What do you know? You got the sources? Well,

859
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with somebody that with No

860
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: oh two weeks ago, and I was saying, we're talking

861
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: about different possibilities and I was saying, um if I

862
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: because I was really not into him going to Philly

863
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, I don't want the ball

864
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: being taken out of Ben Simmons hands, because first of all,

865
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Ben can't shoot, and secondly, you know, he's a great

866
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: point guard. I think he's you know, runs the is

867
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: a great point guard. That's where she's yes, yes, yes.

868
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, if Lebrine I was there, he's

869
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna take the ball and it's just like you said,

870
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna disrupt this growth. And I said that to

871
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: this person. I said, I don't want lebron Is taking

872
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: the ball out of Ben Simmons hands. And this person said, well,

873
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: Lebron actually wants to play off the ball. I was like,

874
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: he ain't never played off the ball in his life,

875
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: including high school and probably a you and all that.

876
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: And they said, well, that's because he's never had a

877
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: teammate that makes plays for other people. Now, Kyrie and Wade,

878
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: they brought up they were playmakers more so for themselves,

879
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, occasionally for somebody else, but mainly for themselves,

880
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: great individual scores and playmakers for themselves. But they said,

881
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: if he had a teammate who would you know was

882
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: great at playmaking for others, Lebron would gladly play off

883
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: the ball. And I said, I still have my doubts,

884
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: but I said, if that's true, if he wants to

885
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: play off the ball and we'll play off the ball,

886
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: to me, it's a no brainer. Well that he should

887
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: go to Philly. I don't know what he will do,

888
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: but he should go to Philly. Here's my thing with

889
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and obviously if he goes there with Paul George,

890
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: they would be great, but it's hard to say. They'd

891
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: be the favorite in the West and they'd be really good.

892
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: My feeling is if he goes to the Lakers, obviously

893
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: still wants to win wherever he goes. But winning is

894
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: not the ultimate priority, Like that wasn't the main motivations.

895
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: It's just he wants to be in l A. Like

896
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: you said, maybe businesses, although obviously he's a mogul already,

897
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: but maybe is he just wants to live in l A.

898
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: Or he wants to thinks he can do more business

899
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: out here, life after basketball, whatever it might be. If

900
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: he stays in Cleveland, obviously winning is not the altar.

901
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Almost say, I almost think if he even if he

902
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: wanted to stay in Cleveland, if winning is number one,

903
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: he has to leave. He not staying in kind because

904
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: they don't have Yeah, they're not gonna. So I think, Look,

905
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: here's this is what I say about Philly man. Look,

906
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: if he goes to Philly, he could lead. I think

907
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: they have the formula to win championships because the thing

908
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: that gives Stay trouble is size, and they would have

909
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: size that's versatile. They got some shooters they they couldn't

910
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: mess with him be you know, you go with that

911
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: little Hampton's five against embat and see what happens. You know,

912
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: So I think and you'd have Lebron. I think they'd

913
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: have the formula. To be the gold. Say so, let's

914
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: say Lebron in the next three years that he has

915
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: as a top five player in the league could lead

916
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: them to a championship or two. Still is the best player.

917
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: Then as he begins to age and m beating Simmons mature,

918
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: he might be it. They might be to lead him

919
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: to another title or two, or who knows. So let's say,

920
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: because I've said this and again, I think Jordan's the goat.

921
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: But if and that's the scenario, in ten to fifteen years,

922
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: or any scenario where Lebron wins a few more rings,

923
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: he will be recognized as the goat. And this is

924
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: why I say it, because not, I mean, unless he

925
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: has to win a lot more for me to recognize

926
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: him as that above Jordan's. But we won't. Yeah, a

927
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: few more at least, Like I mean, if he could

928
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: somehow win it this year, that'd be huge. Exactly. That's

929
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: asking the impossible. I mean I was last week. I

930
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: was more like I wouldn't have said that, but now, yeah,

931
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: it can only He's a human being, man, he can

932
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: only do so even if they get there in those

933
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: first two series. Yes, yes so, But here's the thing

934
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: in because you noticed our generation we look at Jordan

935
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: as the goat. The generation before. It's like I've started

936
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: to Oscar Robertson, even George generates, Clyde Drex, they don't

937
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: see him as the goat now. They don't diss him respect.

938
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, he was incredible. I don't know if anybody's better,

939
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily putting him ahead of Kareem or

940
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Oscar or Will or you know whoever from there. So

941
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: it's our generation that undisputedly recognizes him as to go.

942
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: We won't be driving the conversation in fifteen years. It

943
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: will be these millennials, a lot of whom already think

944
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: lebron is. Yeah, it's because of Also, like in Jordan's generation,

945
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: they're looking at almost like through the youth. It's like,

946
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, like when you hear like, you know, music,

947
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's not just it's not just the songs.

948
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: It's like when you were here and you were with

949
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: this girl, and it's like where you heard it on

950
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: a record, So it's there's a sentimentality. Yeah, you're right,

951
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: It's it's like like nobody from our generation is generally

952
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: gonna say Kendrick Lamar is better than you know, Rock

953
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: him or whoever, just because that was our generation. So

954
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: if you think about it in fifteen years or ten years,

955
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: where if if that scenario with Philly works out, let say,

956
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: so let's say I'll be even, I won't even go over.

957
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: But let's say Lebron's got five rings, okay, to with

958
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: Philly whatever. So the millennials will look at and say, okay,

959
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: he's got five rings, the one lesson Jordan's, but he

960
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: was in twice as many finals as Michael Jordan's. He's

961
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: got all of the or almost all of the individual

962
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: regular season records, almost all the individual postseason records. It

963
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: would be hard to argument what they're like. They would

964
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: be like what is it now? Because he's the the

965
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: records and the numbers and the length of the career

966
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: and the I mean, you know, it's such a tough

967
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: argument because if it's a team sport, he's clothed. If

968
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: if he ain't better, he's in the conversation. He's definitely

969
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: in the conference. Like the one thing, there's a couple

970
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: of things you can say for Jordan's but one that

971
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: I say is, you know, because we can debate which

972
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: era is better, or the different styles of play, and

973
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: that's that's tough. But Jordan's once he started winning, once

974
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: he started winning early in his career, once he started winning,

975
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: nobody else eight. No, he kept Hall of Famers Barkley ewing,

976
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Elijah Wan shock Um Clyde, like he kept all these

977
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: guys from eating. They nobody, he added on at the

978
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: same way, Lebron is locked down the East, Jordan locked

979
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: down the whole league. Yet cats are eating in Lebron's

980
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: heyday Dunk and old duncan Ate right, Dirk Ate, Stephen

981
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: k D are eating and step before k D got

982
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: their way, they like Paul Pierson. Yeah, Lebron is not

983
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: just not letting people eat like and you know, one

984
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: thing I will say for all these dudes, not that

985
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have adjusted, but this this lollygagging to the

986
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: rim with James Harden uh, you know, and even Lebron

987
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: it would be different for him because he's a physical dude.

988
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: But this lack of hand checking. You know, you look

989
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: at these dudes. They got these ultra sick cross cross

990
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: hesitation blah blah blah blah blah. The reason why dudes

991
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: are going skates. The thing about skates. You're slipping and

992
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: slide and you've got nothing to hold on you if

993
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: you could hand check, you're leaning forward on the defense

994
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: and you're leaning forward so you could. You don't have

995
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: that space to do it. And if you catch me,

996
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean forward as opposed to you have no skates.

997
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: That's why people are falling, you know what you're saying.

998
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: It's not that these guys wouldn't compete, and Russell Westbrook

999
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: would be sick, and James Harden skills it and all

1000
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: of them and I love them, but that rule of

1001
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: not being able to you wouldn't think guys didn't. Guys

1002
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: weren't falling with Isaiah Thomas, Guys weren't following with all

1003
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: those like Tim Hardaway. I mean you'd see highlights and

1004
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that in AI, but like that started with that.

1005
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like now everybody's making dudes fall

1006
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: because you can't touch them. Lebron goes right to the

1007
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: basket and you can't veer him out of the way

1008
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: because you literally can't touch the to your point, even

1009
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: once you beat your man, because the floor is so

1010
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: spread out. Once you beat your guy, you might have

1011
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: one guy left it. No no, no, no no. And

1012
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's so so Guys from Jordan's generations

1013
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: are like, can you imagine what Jordan would do under

1014
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: no hand check none how much he get to the

1015
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: rim or with the flooria's spread out, how much he

1016
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: get to the rim. Like so like when Jordan's got

1017
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: to the rim, you had three four dudes meeting him

1018
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: there and you had finish and like Lebron never had

1019
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: that grounded pound of Detroit that that you know, like

1020
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: and and that's not his fault. Yeah, yeah, I mean

1021
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: when you look at the generations, the eras you say,

1022
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: Lebron would have adapted to the more physical places. Guys,

1023
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: what do you would have been finishing with the contacts.

1024
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: But same way George and would have an Isaiah and

1025
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: aught he's got. They would have developed better three point shots.

1026
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: You just would have had to And and he may

1027
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: not made it fifteen years without injury, you know, like

1028
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: that ground because he's it's it's it's a freak of

1029
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: nature that he's done it. Um all right, But I

1030
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: don't want to go to because we've already You've given

1031
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: me so much gold Golden State. Just give me your prediction.

1032
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: It's one one. It's so funny, man, even watching you like,

1033
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: the narrative changes. All of a sudden, Steph has hurt.

1034
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: The first game made eighteen I think, or he had eight,

1035
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: eight and six, and now all of us he has

1036
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: a bad game, he's shot bad, and all of a

1037
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: sudden he's hurt. He went from they might sweep him

1038
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: to beat him in five games too, because Houston played

1039
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: good and and Steph and Golden State didn't play great

1040
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: there at home. It's one one. They they're very talented team.

1041
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen in the rest of that series? Based

1042
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: on what we know at the recording of this, I

1043
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: am wrapped por stereo podcast. I'm still gonna have to

1044
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: stick with Golden Yeah, yeah, I'm look, I'm glad Houston

1045
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: one because it maybe it'll make it interesting, But if

1046
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: you really look at it, Golden State is in complete control.

1047
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: They're going home. If Houston had won the first game

1048
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: and Golden State it won the second, people would be saying, oh,

1049
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: it's over in five or six because they like and

1050
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: yeah and the playoffs. What happens is we tend to

1051
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: whoever won the last game, we tend to think is

1052
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: in control of the series unless it's a three oh

1053
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: series or something, you know, three one whatever. Um, so

1054
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: we overreact to each game, you know. Um. I'll say

1055
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: this a couple of things about Steph. When duran first

1056
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: went to Golden State and that first year they had together,

1057
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: which obviously they won the championship play great, which was

1058
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: just last year. Last year, I mean when he left

1059
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: and and and and all the school and seems like

1060
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: that is like his second Playoffs with you know you

1061
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: it was so long ago. It really does, it really does.

1062
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: But I was looking at it last year like there

1063
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: was a part of me that was like, man, he

1064
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: took away because Steph just there's not the need for

1065
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: Remember the two years step one the m v P,

1066
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: it seemed like every other game it was some freaking

1067
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous stuff. He was doing a buzzer beater from thirty

1068
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: five ft, a shot from forty feet forty five point,

1069
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, just it was like ridiculous stuff every other night.

1070
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: And we didn't get to see that as much with

1071
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: Durant there. And I felt like, man, because remember now

1072
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: Tim Legler, I think is one of the best NBA

1073
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: analysts in the world, right, but Tim said something that

1074
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: this was when I don't remember if it was his

1075
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: first championship or in the seventy three win run or whatever,

1076
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: but Legler was like, I think he could end up

1077
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: he could be a top three player of all time.

1078
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: So I thought that was an overstatement, but that's the

1079
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: type of stuff people were saying. I mean, you had it,

1080
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: if he had had a six or seven year run

1081
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: like his two or m v P years, he'd be

1082
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: top ten easy and maybe you are talking top three

1083
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: something like that. And I said, you know what, He's

1084
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: never gonna have that because Durant is there now, and

1085
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: so he's dominating the game like lebron or and and

1086
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: see that's what I had to realize, Yeah, he can't.

1087
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't think physically Steph could have held up long enough.

1088
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: He's already having trouble staying healthy now. It's not a

1089
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: triple double machine. He's just no, he just a And

1090
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: so that I actually think Golden State, believe it or not,

1091
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: did need Durant because Steph would not have been able

1092
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: to sustain it physically. That's a good point to stay

1093
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: healthy enough. And so um, but I the one thing

1094
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: that's bothering me about Golden in these first two games,

1095
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: is I think they've been to k D centric like

1096
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: they're not. Last night, it wasn't that free flowing ball,

1097
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: movement player, movement, offensive, was Durant bringing it up, Durant

1098
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: going Iso, him creating everything. And they can still win

1099
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: that way because they got so much talent, but they're

1100
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: not special that they can also lose that way. Whereas

1101
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: if they're playing their game where it's free flowing, it's

1102
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: Steps in the flow, Clays in the flow, Durants in

1103
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: the flow, that's when they're unbeatable. Is that Houston's defense?

1104
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean like that, Is that that the brilliants of

1105
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: Houston's defense or is it just you think it's just

1106
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: kind of a bad habit for the first two games. Well,

1107
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that Golden State played that way when Steph

1108
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: was hurt. Okay, because they did. They played through k

1109
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: D because they had to because it was a different personnel.

1110
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: And I think what happens is when Clay or Steph,

1111
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: or maybe just Steph, but when one of them or

1112
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: both of them don't have it going right, when either

1113
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Steph or both of them don't have it going, I

1114
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: think it has become a Crutch. Well, k D, let's

1115
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: go to him. You know they don't have it going.

1116
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: Let's go to k D. Because he's you know, he

1117
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: is what he is, he's and he's like all the

1118
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: guys we've mentioned, Like his game is so like he's

1119
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: never gonna be the highlight of the night. You know,

1120
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: you could show accumulating. He's so understated in a way.

1121
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: You know, there's no dunking, there's not crossovers. It's just mass.

1122
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: It's just that mid range, old school I mean, it's

1123
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: it's in some ways, remember Bernard King, the mid range,

1124
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: the jump like some somewhat. I mean, obviously there's differences.

1125
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: His handles better Durant. You know he's better, there's no

1126
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: question than Bernard King. But that that mid range jumper

1127
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: he kills you with, it is unguardable. We gonna show it.

1128
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the highlight of the night. I

1129
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: think they're better when they don't feature Dan, that they

1130
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: include Durant. I know exactly what you know, if anyone

1131
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: player should be featured, it should be Steph. Not because

1132
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: he's better to Ran is the better player, but just

1133
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: because his style gets everybody gets going. When Steph you know,

1134
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: is featured. So that's where this is interesting. Look, I

1135
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: would love to see Houston win one in Golden State,

1136
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: and then we really got a series. I don't know

1137
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: how much I could take. All Right, I'm gonna do

1138
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: we I wanted to talk more hip hop, but we

1139
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: got so deep in the dope basketball. I'm gonna throw

1140
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: a couple of hip hop questions and then I'm gonna

1141
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: let you go. I'm gonna do it backwards. It's not

1142
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: your best, it's not the best because again it's like,

1143
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: how do you say who's the best? Yeah, groups Chris

1144
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: Broussard's top five groups and no particular order, no particular order,

1145
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: and so so you you you have the groups fresh

1146
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: in your head, you have group because I'll yeah, I

1147
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: have to and this is you know, this is old school.

1148
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: But when you look because one thing we can talk

1149
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: about this, when I've looked at like you, it's hard

1150
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: to say who who is the freaking best rappers of

1151
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: all times? It's so preferential. Yeah, you almost have to

1152
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: say who had an era? Right, who had an era?

1153
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: Like who dominated an era? That's kind of how I

1154
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: So you got Mellie mel then l L like as

1155
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: an individual then I mean rock him. I don't know

1156
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: if he you gotta. I don't know if he had

1157
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: a full era, but just the word play, the way

1158
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: he changed, Yeah he had. He's in there. Big Daddy

1159
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: came was see they I don't think Caine and rock

1160
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: Him when I say they had their era, but they

1161
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: weren't the undisputed rulers of an era because there were

1162
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: so many yeahs do you had carras one. You had

1163
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: public enemy with Chuck D L L. Like we forget

1164
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: because he's on CSI and he's been so long. Homeboy,

1165
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: you don't want it with him now, I don't care

1166
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: who you are. And you look at the body of

1167
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: work and the songs and the kind of songs in

1168
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: the battle Rap and when that first image of him

1169
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: with the King going the shirt of Homeboy was like

1170
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: he's a child star. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible. That's you're right,

1171
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: that's another guy growing up in front of them. He's

1172
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: been famous more years and yeah, yeah, you're right, and

1173
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: he was star. He was. He was the first, right

1174
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: with the first mega rapper. It was like a sex

1175
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: and where he was the first I think, like, I mean,

1176
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 1: he was the first like star like that. I think,

1177
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean listen forgetting Somebody where it was like what

1178
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: is like cross cultural? Yeah, the first group and this

1179
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: is not in order, but I gotta say Run DMC

1180
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: because they they changed the game before them, Like to me,

1181
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: I look at Run DMC is the first rap group

1182
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: where it was just first of all, they were so

1183
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: hard right their style with the heavy metal beat samples

1184
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: and the minimalists beat you know and like sucking mcs.

1185
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: It's just a minimalist beat. But that was hip hop.

1186
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: But they brought they were the first to bring that.

1187
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: And they dressed just regular. We got on some sweats

1188
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: right in a leather jacket or cano like they dressed

1189
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: on their album covers and concerts like they normally dressed.

1190
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: So they made it real. Before that, I was in

1191
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: the Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five and on it,

1192
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: but they were costumes and they were on that Commodore's

1193
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: funk yea. You know they were like because that's what

1194
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: it was from the disco was the disco exactly like

1195
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: I saw Grand Masters with Flash and concert met him.

1196
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: They were in costumes back then them. Yeah, I met

1197
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: funny story. I got a crazy story for you right.

1198
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: So I moved around a lot as a kid, so

1199
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: mostly in the Midwest, believe it or not. I spent

1200
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: two and a half years living in des Moines, Iowa. Okay,

1201
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: so right right, freshmen through halfway through my yeah, de Moine, right, okay,

1202
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: so Grand mass We had moved there from Syracuse, New York.

1203
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: So I was all in the hip hop, and back

1204
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: then hip hop was regional to some degree. So in

1205
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: Syracuse I was getting a lot of hip hop that

1206
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: people in the Midwest and the South weren't getting. I

1207
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: would love Bucks, Star Ski and all that stuff. You know.

1208
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: I was hearing all the pretty much all the hip

1209
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: hop you got in Syracuse. So we moved to Des

1210
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: Moines and Grand Master Flash and Furious five are coming

1211
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: to Des Moines to do a concert. So I'm right.

1212
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm a ninth grader. My brother's eighth grade. We love him.

1213
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: So my mother is like, yeah, y'aking, so she's gonna

1214
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: take us, right, So she takes us to the concert

1215
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: and it's De Moine, Iowa. So it was in a

1216
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: hotel ballroom. We're literally it was Midnight Star opened up

1217
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: for Remember we're literally twenty ft from Midnight Star. I mean,

1218
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: it was maybe four hundred five people in the ballroom.

1219
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: We're four hundred feet from mid nights. So they perform, then,

1220
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, Grandmaster flashes. Everybody's waiting for them to come on,

1221
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: and they don't. We're waiting in in ten minutes, twenty minutes,

1222
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: forty minute, like what's going on? People starting to get upset.

1223
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: So my mother, who's four ft eight inches talk all right.

1224
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: My mother and her friend came and me and my

1225
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: brother and one of his friends. My mother goes, she says, holding,

1226
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: y'all stay here, I'm gonna go see something. We're like,

1227
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: where are you going? So she just disappears. Ten minutes

1228
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: five ten minutes later, she comes back and she's like,

1229
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: come with me, follow me. So so we go. We

1230
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: follow her. Everybody's pissed in the ballroom. Everybody's like what

1231
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: the you know, they don't see us, So we follow her.

1232
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: She goes to this door, knocks on the door and

1233
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: they Mellie mele opens up. You remember that, yes, Oh yeah,

1234
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: Mellie male opens up and we got leather pants, got

1235
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: left hat on like a change, you know, yes, yes,

1236
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: exactly right now. You would be like, yo, what's what

1237
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: this is? Crazy. So they let us in. He's like,

1238
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: all right, come on, this is them. So one of

1239
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: my my brother's friends with us was white. Okay, so

1240
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: they look at him and they're like he's good. He's

1241
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: part of the family too, and my mother's like yeah yeah.

1242
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: So she's like all right, so we all go in.

1243
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: We met Cowboy, Mellie mel right, him, kid, all of them,

1244
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: and it was just my mother had gone back there

1245
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: and told them, look, my son's love you guys. I know,

1246
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: because they didn't go. They didn't perform because the people

1247
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna pay them. So they were like, So my

1248
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: mother's like, I understand you ain't getting paid. I get it,

1249
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: but would you mind if they come back and meet you.

1250
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: So we met all of them and that's them. They

1251
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: never before we left. After we met him, a riot

1252
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,480
Speaker 1: and sued. Cowboy got stabbed in the arm. That's crazy

1253
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: cowboy right right. So that's a dope story. It was man, Yes, yes,

1254
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: that was I gotta get my mind. She was an

1255
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: o g Yeah. And you remember the image of Mellie

1256
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: mell opening the door the whole he was diesel too.

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: That's a good story. Yeah, it was great, sound MC.

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: I gotta put public into me in there. Um, you

1259
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: know if you had a chuck on your podcast. No,

1260
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: but I need to because I've talked to and we've

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: texted about doing did you have like like you can

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01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: have a podcast with him and not talk hip hop

1263
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: like Homeboy is like deep in his basketball. I'm gonna

1264
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: try to get him more because that's a good that's

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01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: a good idea. I'll definitely hit him more. Um So

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01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: run D m C public Enemy. Um, I love E

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: P M D. They're probably not top five all time general.

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: They were rocking and rolling for a wall and they

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: have hits. Yeah, yeah, so I'll throw let me put

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01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: them on the side of man. You gotta throw on

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Wu tang Um. I think just because I would say

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: in w A but they because the way they changed

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01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: the game, but they broke up so quick and ice

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: Cube did his best stuff without them, you know, So

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll put you almost got to though,

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: right because the way they they went, I wouldn't put

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: them as my favorite. They're not. No, they're not. I

1278
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: went because I gotta be honest, I really wasn't and

1279
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: not that into gangster rap. And I'll be straight up

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01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked about this, I know everything about

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: n w A. But when I first heard, I was like, Yo,

1282
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: what is this? What is this man? First of all,

1283
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: like I was I think it was I remember what

1284
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: year was, but I was like, I was like, I

1285
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: mean I was filthy, but I was like, yeah, what

1286
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: are these dudes talking about? Right? And the style of

1287
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: rap was so weird and fast. The beats weren't the

1288
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: beats were like that first beats that they had. It

1289
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: was very basic. Yeah, yeah, they were real basic you right.

1290
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: The and I remember, because you're right, like they were

1291
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: talking about smoking cats and killing you know. I remember

1292
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: being with now my wife, my girlfriend at the time,

1293
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: and I remember playing in w A stuff for her

1294
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: in AWE because I was like, can you believe with

1295
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: the talking about you wouldn't hear people like you? They

1296
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: won't score And it's not this East Coast. It's because

1297
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: you're just used to a certain like it was just

1298
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: it was just different. It was now you're and I wasn't.

1299
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: I Look, I was like, it's it's unusual they're talking

1300
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: about killing people like that. It's it's it's not bad.

1301
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wasn't really into in w A. So

1302
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that you have to give them an air,

1303
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: I guess, but I won't put them in it. You

1304
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: gotta pod. I say, WU tan't run DMC public in

1305
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: the me. I mean there's b DP, there's Eric. We

1306
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: count them if you count them as groups because you

1307
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: have to, Okay, So I would be the caras one

1308
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: is my favorite rapper, is my favorite rapper, like of

1309
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: all time. You know, Oh if I count b DP

1310
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,440
Speaker 1: as a group, I gotta put that. But then he continued,

1311
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I think of him more so you

1312
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: know they did some great stuff. Um, Eric being rock him.

1313
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: I kind of because rock or Eric B was the

1314
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: DJ and wasn't rapping. I always think of rock him Morris,

1315
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 1: same with like Gang Star. But yes, but you know

1316
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: premier man that was he had. That was that was

1317
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: a group because every beat was made. Yeah, so I

1318
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: guess for my groups, I would say, like I said,

1319
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: run DMC public intomy WU Tang Clan e p M D.

1320
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to look at the nineties group who I

1321
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: mean there was it wasn't more soloist day law, Um,

1322
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean there's we're forgetting a whole bunch. I'm trying

1323
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: to look at I think you have to. You kind

1324
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: of have to put outcast and they're there. Have to

1325
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: put outcasts there, all right. And then the obligatory top

1326
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: five m. These are your favorite just my favorite skill level.

1327
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: Who you're starting five M. I'll even give you a

1328
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: cherry on top for the sixth one. I gotta say

1329
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: Carras One. I'm gonna say this isn't in order, but

1330
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: Carras One, rock him big Daddy came. He's underrated, his word,

1331
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: he was you know who, I'm gonna say, man for

1332
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: he made some stuff. I won't say whack, but he

1333
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: made some stuff that wasn't up to his to me

1334
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: up to his standards, but his best stuff. It ain't

1335
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: hard to tell. Nas is like like when Nas was

1336
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: at the top of his game. I don't think or

1337
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: when he is, because when he is exactly when he is,

1338
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: he's in the pocket. I don't think anybody can even

1339
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: I got me. I don't think even Rock Kim is

1340
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: as dope as Nas. When Nas is at his best

1341
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: and the body of work is just it went on

1342
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: for a little longer. Yeah, and that's sacrilegious what you

1343
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: just said. I'm glad you're the one saying it. But

1344
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know what you mean. I know because

1345
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: rock Him started it. Without rock Him, there wouldn't have

1346
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: been any rock. There would have been a lot of people. Yeah,

1347
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: because he changed the whole game with his word play

1348
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: and style. But nas he so I gotta put nas

1349
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: in there. So that's big Daddy can And look, it's

1350
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: funny because, like you said, sometimes you listen to stuff

1351
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: back then and you compare it to the word play

1352
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: to like stuff later and it might not sound as clever.

1353
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: But I think I have to say l L, I'm

1354
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: not gonna he's sick. Yeah, like You'll Rock, which wasn't

1355
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: a big, huge hit, but his word play on that

1356
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: was dope. You know, Um, I'm bad obviously radio I

1357
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: need a beat. I mean, dear of that, like like

1358
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: you know he's that means got joined after just vocabulary

1359
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 1: with crazy different styles going back to like he made

1360
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: songs that were straight hip hop pop, like coming back

1361
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: hip hop song. It's a you know what's a unique

1362
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: hip hop song. But like but you're listening like he

1363
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: was never like whack and then battle rappers. You still

1364
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: don't want it with you don't want to wait like

1365
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: the c S. I you might be he's on you

1366
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: don't want it with it, like he could come out

1367
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: like right now and just shut it down right now. Yeah, yeah,

1368
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: no question. So I said, you said Kan, my my

1369
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: three with my first three is the same Kane, Kim

1370
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: and and yeah those are my three that are my

1371
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: obligatory three. So so you got my my obligatory three

1372
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: of those guys and then my standard list I would

1373
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: go Hove and not those are And then you know,

1374
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: like Tupac and Biggie, the bodies of work because obviously

1375
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: their passings they were so they were so young five yeah,

1376
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: but they still put a lot of working. Biggie. Look,

1377
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: it's hard not to have Biggie. Like Biggie was just dope.

1378
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean his from the voice to the word play,

1379
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: the flow, yeah, I mean the centric humor. Yeah, yeah,

1380
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: you know that, like the stuff he was, you know,

1381
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: like it was unbelievad. Like if I had to go

1382
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: with an obligatory six, I mean jay Z, Look, I

1383
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: would probably go Biggie as six. But I think you

1384
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: know who else was dope? He ain't in his toping

1385
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: Coolgie Rap, ridiculous, Coolgi Rap was crazy. But I think

1386
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: an objective list, because you know, if you're talking about

1387
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: the best rappers, it's like the best NBA players. You

1388
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:49,839
Speaker 1: have to go, Okay, skills on the mic, record sales,

1389
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: that has to be a part of it, you know,

1390
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: so you can't you know, like most deaths said the

1391
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: best rappers a local dude, local cat. But that's that

1392
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: may be true. You got some dudes that's got undergrad

1393
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: out backpackers that got crazy skills. But if you don't

1394
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: make the dopest songs. Cannabis was dope sick, but he

1395
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: just didn't make the greatest song, you know, so so

1396
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: record sales has to be a part of it. And

1397
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: song yeah, great songs, you know. Uh so all that

1398
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: because it's like otherwise it's like you didn't make it

1399
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: to the pro exactly. So I think an objective Look,

1400
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: you might have to have jay Z is the best.

1401
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't have him in my top five, but you

1402
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,520
Speaker 1: were probably you know, just because he got skills, his storytelling,

1403
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: the topics, longevity, um record sales songs, like you probably

1404
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: got to give it to him in that regard. All right,

1405
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: listen Crispus where we go like three hours, But this

1406
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: was a this is a flamethrow Um sources. You gave

1407
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: me the sources, you gave me the information, gave me

1408
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: the predictions. I've always told you you're my favorite guy

1409
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: talking basketball, so I know I know if Stephen A.

1410
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: Smith was here, you'd be saying this. I've always said this,

1411
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: I've always said this year. I've always said this to you.

1412
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate you rocking me. I would love when the

1413
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 1: finals are, when the finals are laid out, the finals,

1414
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: whenever you're locking you in lock me you you ain't

1415
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: you gonna be in l a for me here, I'm

1416
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: here for it. I'll be through the pleasure and pain.

1417
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: You know you. We don't need to talk about my feelings.

1418
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: They're very clear how I want things to go. Um.

1419
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming through on the podcast. Loved it, man,

1420
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: loved it, and and uh, you know you're you're the dude,

1421
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: all right, Man. I appreciate it. Man, this was great.

1422
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: I could go on all great conversation, but thank you

1423
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: for having me and you will be on in the

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01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: Zone in the first or second week of June. We'll

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: do it, okay. I appreciate it. In fool