1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is Bloomberg Day 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Bake podcast, available every morning on Apples, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Friday, the sixteenth of August in London. 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Hepke and I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: As Western nations ratted up tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: and chip technology, the country Central Bank offers caution on 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: stimulus Goldilock's returns. 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Traders scaleback bets on FED ratecards as the latest US 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: economic data defies expectations. 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Plus, as Gaza ceasefire talks restart in Doha, calls to 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: reconstruct the territory or growing louder, but it's not clear 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: who will pick up the eighty billion dollar bill. 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: European Union tariffs slowed the influx of Chinese made electric 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: vehicles in July as the block move to protect its 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: carmakers from low cost competition. According to research from Data FI, 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: the number of new evs that Chinese manufacturers like Bid 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: registered in the EU last month fell forty five percent 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: month on month, while the drop may have been exaggerated 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: by carmakers rushing to get evs to dealers before the 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: added levees took place. It reflects growing trade friction between 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: Western countries and the world's second largest economy. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: Well. 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: The latest data comes as China faces increasing economic headwinds 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: at home, underscored by filtering domestic demand and a prolonged 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: downturn in the housing market. On Thursday, the country's central 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: bank chief pledged further steps to support the economic recovery 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: in China, whilst cautioning that it won't be adopting extreme measures. 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's midmin Low has more. 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: The governor, Pangong Shin. He gave an interview to state 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: media and he meets some rather ambiguous comments. He talked 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: about the need to maintain policy stability and patience, that 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: there shouldn't be drastic easing or drastic tightening now. Obviously 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: the state on a Chinese economy now doesn't warrant any 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: drastic tightening given the rather leg laster economic data that 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: we saw yesterday, slight rebound in retail sales, but there 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: was from a very law base in June in an 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: unexpected decline in fixed asset investment as well. 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: Well. 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: That was Biinimberg's mid min low. President Shihingping's government is 41 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: targeting growth of about five percent this year as policymakers 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: try to shake off a post pandemic slump. However, economists 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: say that the government will need to accelerate spending on 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: infrastructure and other programs if that target is to be realized. 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: Traders are shredding bets on big federal reserve rate cuts 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: and treasury yield surge following signs of US economic resilience. 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Retail sales accelerated in July by more than forecast in 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: the US, suggesting consumer strength despite higher prices and borrowing costs. 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: Matt Miskin co Chief economist John Hancock says the situation 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: is beneficial for investors. 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 5: We are now back to good news is good news and. 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 6: In our view, and we're moving out of that really 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 6: conundrum type market responses. 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: We used to get where it'd be. 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 5: Like, okay, this is bad news. 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: But now all of a sudden, Rachel Lord that's helping 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: small caps. 58 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 5: We good news is good news again for growth. 59 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 7: For a NASA like CATO, that's great news. 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 5: You know, it's been really messy. 61 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: John Hancocks Mount Meskin speaking there faed Cher. Jerome Powell 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: will speak next week at the Annual Central Bank Symposium 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: and Jackson Hole before the next US labor report is 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: released in early September. 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Well as for the US presidential race, Joe Biden joins 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Democratic nominee Kamala Harris on the campaign trail. It's the 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: first time that the two have appeared together since Biden 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: ended his own re election bid and endorse his current VP. 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Harris was full of praise for her former running mates. 70 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: It is my eternal and great, great, great honor I 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: have to tell you to serve with this most extraordinary 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: human being, an American and leader our president. 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Joel Biden, Kamala Harris. They're speaking at a campaign event. Elsewhere, 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the Republican candidate Donald Trump held a press confidence at 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: his New Jersey golf club. The former president used the 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: event to criticize his opponent. 77 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 5: As far as the personal attacks. I'm very angry at 78 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 5: her that she'd weaponized the justices and against me and 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 5: other people. 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: Very angry at her. 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: I think I'm entitled to personal attacks. I don't have 82 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 5: a lot of respect for her. 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaking there. Biden and Harris together on the 84 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: campaign trail could offer Trump an opportunity to tie them 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: together on issues where he perceives an advantage, including on 86 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: immigration and on the administration's economic record as the US 87 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: economy continues to defy expectations, though Trump's lead on that 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: issue in particular has shrunk in comparison to Kamala Harris. 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: In the UK, victims of the contaminated blood scandalo set 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: in receiving payouts. The government has confirmed that some may 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: be entitled to up to two and a half million 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: pounds Bloomberg. James Wilcock has more. 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 7: It has been decades since thousands were infected with diseases 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 7: including HIV and appetitis C, caused by infusions of contaminated 95 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 7: blood given between the nineteen seventies and nineteen nineties. Roughly 96 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 7: one in ten of those affected have since died. All 97 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 7: the victims and their families are entitled to lifelong compensation 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 7: and support. Kate Burt as chief executive of the Hemophilia Society, 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 7: she wants to know how the sums were arrived at. 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 8: How do you put a value on a child that's died, 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 8: How do you put a value on your life being 102 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 8: destroyed by chronic hepatitis We hope to see a lot 103 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 8: of clarity around where these numbers came from. Was it 104 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 8: a legal framework, was it a medical framework. 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 7: The new government has confirmed those affected will start receiving 106 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 7: damage payments by the end of this year. The commitment 107 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 7: was never in question, but it will be an added 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 7: strain on an already stretched British state. In London, James 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 7: Wilcock limber Gradier. 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: Now to the Middle East as Gaza truce talks begin 111 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: in Cutter, Bloomberg has set out the enormous challenge of 112 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: rebuilding the strip. More than seventy percent of the area's 113 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: housing is reportedly damaged, with most of the territories two 114 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: point two million people now displaced. The first task would 115 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: be in reconstruction, the removal and sorting of some forty 116 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: two million tons of rubble. Gerald Feinstein is a former 117 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: US ambassador to Yemen. He predicts difficult discussions as part 118 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: of any Ceasepar deal. 119 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: The death and destruction in Gaza continued to mount, and also, 120 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: of course, according to the Iranians, there is a linkage 121 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: between the peace talks, the ceasefire talks and Gaza and 122 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 5: the loclihood of Iranian retaliation against Israel for the Hania assassination. 123 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: That was Gerald Firestein speaking. Then Israeli official say it's 124 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: too early to comment on reconstruction. Even if ap set 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: is ever reached, Rebuilding Gaza is estimated to cost more 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: than eighty billion dollars. Now, in a moment, we'll talk 127 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: more about the Chinese economy and those figures on electric 128 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: vehicle imports into Europe, plus our deep dive report into 129 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: how Gaza could be rebuilt when the war ends. But first, 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: there was another story that caught our ride this morning. 131 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: This is the trend of the remote CEO. So the 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: new boss of Starbucks isn't moving to Seattle, where its 133 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: headquarters is located. He's going to stay living in California 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: and commute to and from the coffee chain's HQ. The 135 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: company says Brian Nicol will spend most of his time 136 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: in Seattle and he'll get to use the corporate chat 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: for the journeys back and forth. Then there's Hillary super 138 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: at Victoria's Secret who is moving from California to New 139 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: York to take up the CEO position there. But the 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: lingerie company's headquarters are actually in Columbus, Ohio. So this 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: is a trend that we're seeing of corporate leaders being 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: given the option to run their businesses from hundreds or 143 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: thousands of kilometers away at least some of the time, 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: and part of the ongoing maybe evolution of workplace flexibility. 145 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: I think the people who work in companies that have 146 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: been told to go back to the office might not 147 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: be terribly happy to hear that CEOs are being able. 148 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: To move Sperista, I think, yes, would that bother you? 149 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I mean it's Look, it's something 150 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: that the companies have been grappling with because it's a question, 151 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: of course true, of attracting the best talent today got 152 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: these very important jobs. A Victoria's spokesperson said to Bloomberg 153 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: that they have headquarters in many locations, included to New York, 154 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: and for them, what's most important is their teams feel 155 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: supported no matter where they're based. But perhaps could be 156 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: an interesting debate for someone who's being told that they 157 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: have to be an office a certain number of days 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: a week. 159 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Look, it's one of the pieces on the 160 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Blueberg terminal. Then the state of the world of work today, right. 161 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Let's also turn our attention though to China. The central 162 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Bank chief has pleased to do more to support the 163 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: economy after a week of economic data that highlighted continued 164 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: weakness in China. This is the new figures for Europe 165 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: show registrations of new Chinese made electric vehicles in EU 166 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: countries has fallen by all most half as the tariffs 167 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: have taken effect. Our executive editor Feel Greater China, John Leu, 168 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: joins us now for more. John, great to have you 169 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: on the program. In terms of the EV story, first, 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: what does the data show about sales of Chinese EV's 171 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: and much of the problem does seem to be being 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: posed really to Chinese EV makers. 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 9: I think it. 174 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 6: Shows the impact is quite noticeable. Even you talked about 175 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 6: it a little bit before, the forty five percent fall 176 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 6: from July from June. I think that's probably a little exaggerated, 177 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 6: given that people knew these tariffs were coming into places, 178 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 6: and so there was an effort to get cars into 179 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 6: Europe and sold. But I think it didn't take away 180 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 6: from the fact that going forward it's going to be 181 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 6: much harder for these companies to sell their cars in Europe. 182 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 6: I think it's really interesting that in this data we 183 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 6: saw that BID actually did quite well so Bid in 184 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 6: July sold three times more cars than they did a 185 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 6: year ago in Europe, and so Bid is building a 186 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 6: big factory in Hungary. It's also got the smallest tariff 187 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 6: being imposed on it among all the Chinese car makers. 188 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 6: So I think that suggests to me that you're going 189 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 6: to see more Chinese car makers start to move production 190 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 6: to Europe because they see Europe as being a very 191 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 6: important market given the US is basically shut off to them. 192 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 6: So I think that's what we will continue to see 193 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: in the future. 194 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: John on the broader economic picture facing China, the Center 195 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: Blank governor has said this, he'll help, but it won't 196 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: be drastic. What should we read into that. 197 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 6: I think the Central Bank governor was trying to accomplish 198 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 6: two things. So on one hand, he's sort of saying 199 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 6: things are our right, We've done these things in terms 200 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 6: of policy steps to address the slowdown. If we need 201 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 6: to do more, we will, we will do more, so 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 6: we have things under control, So trying to give markets 203 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 6: consumers here in China some bit of confidence. But at 204 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 6: the same time, I think he was trying to set 205 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 6: expectations that Beijing is not pulling out the Bazuka there's 206 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 6: not going to be some gigantic, enormous stimulus coming down 207 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 6: the pike, and so trying to get those two messages 208 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 6: across at the same time. 209 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then can you put together what we've learned 210 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: this week about the Chinese economy in terms of the 211 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: outlook now? 212 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 6: So I would say the data that we've gotten so 213 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 6: far would show that the economy is losing momentum. And 214 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 6: I think the piece of data that really highlights this 215 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: is investment. There was a surprise slowdown and fixed asset investment. 216 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 6: The problem with China's economy has been the consumer the 217 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 6: housing crisis. People are not spending money, and so the 218 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: big hope was that the government would open up its 219 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 6: coffers and start to spend and get the economy going again. 220 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 6: And that spending really should be showing up in the 221 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 6: data in the form of investment. But if investment is 222 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 6: now slowing down, that's really a cause for concern because 223 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 6: that was supposed to make things better. And so that 224 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 6: is why I think we are a little bit more 225 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 6: worried now than we were a month ago. 226 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: Okay, John Ley, our executive abs are for Greater China. 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for much for joining us Now. 228 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Today's Bloomberg Big Take report looks at the costs and 229 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: challenges of rebuilding gals Up when the war between Israel 230 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: and Hamas finally ends after nine months of conflict. There 231 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: are more than forty two million tons of rubble across 232 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: the street. Removing that will be the first stage of 233 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: any reconstruction project. Our reporter Fadwajdali joins us Now from 234 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Bethlehem in the West Bank for more on this piece. 235 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: Lots of deep reporting on this fad work. Firstly, talks 236 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: are happening in Cutter. What hope is there of the 237 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: of the war ending. 238 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 9: Well? While expectation of a breakthrough remains low, the talks 239 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 9: are crucial for preventing further escalation and reach on the 240 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 9: regional For regional conflict, this situation is complex with issues 241 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 9: like Israel is demanding a continued control all of the 242 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 9: Gaza Egypt border, the restriction on displaced the gasen to 243 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 9: return to the northern Gaza. Hamas continues to demand a 244 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 9: complete cessation of fire, of ceasefire, a complete withdraw from 245 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 9: the Gaza strip. The return of this list gozen without 246 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 9: any conditions. So the situation is complex. Let's hope for 247 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 9: a breakthrough. What challenges are still persisting in there? 248 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: Turning to your reporting now on the reconstruction of Gaza, 249 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: eventually the story shows in visual terms one of the 250 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: really key challenges, and that's the rubble that's been left 251 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: from buildings that have been destroyed. Can you explain the 252 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: scale of this and what would be needed then to 253 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: remove that? 254 00:13:53,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 9: The scale is tremendous. You can imagine forty two million 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 9: tons of rubble in ten months, and the war has 256 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 9: not ended yet, and challenges challenges. You have unexplosive, unexplosive 257 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 9: ordinance under the rubble. You estimation of twenty thousand bodies 258 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 9: still under the rubble, the pollution that this is going 259 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 9: to cause for in there. So you just can imagine 260 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 9: demand power that you need, the machinery that you need 261 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 9: in order to remove all that, and these are challenges. 262 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 9: Eighty percent of the machinery has been destroyed in the 263 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 9: Gaza strip and you require new machinery, you require teams 264 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 9: to go on the ground. We are talking about all estimates. 265 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 9: This is not a war has not ended, so you 266 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 9: can imagine if there will be an o cease fire, 267 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 9: the amount of rubble that will also accumulate the amount 268 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 9: of unexplosive the dead bodies that this all is affecting 269 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 9: the soil, the people, the health system, the sanitary system, 270 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 9: so everything is affecting that. And not to forget the 271 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 9: biggest challenge of this, if the cease fire takes place, 272 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 9: this all requires coordination. You cannot start working into the 273 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 9: rubble and removing grubble and doing anything without coordination. Coordination 274 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 9: is a must because Israel controls it's the borders, and 275 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 9: in order for the machinery to enter into the strip, 276 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 9: this has to be an approved by the Israeli government. 277 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 9: So everybody has to work into making sure that there 278 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 9: will be a plan that will be agreed on by 279 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 9: all parties. And when we talk about all parties and 280 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 9: the piece that we worked on, it would be the 281 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 9: You and Agencies. UNDP is heavily involved into this because 282 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 9: they've been having the previous experiences before, the Palestinian Authority, 283 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 9: the donor country, civil Society, and the Israeli government. Without 284 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 9: its approval, none of this could happen. 285 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Will happen in terms of the rebuilding, I mean just 286 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of the rebuilding would be to remove the rubble. 287 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: In terms of the cost. What are the cost estimates 288 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: of how this could be done? 289 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 9: Well, the cost are estimating it about eighty billion dollars 290 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 9: for cost, and this is only just an estimate and 291 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 9: war has not ended. So you can imagine you need funding, 292 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 9: you need people to commit to that, and you need 293 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 9: the teams to go inside Gaza evaluate good evaluation in 294 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 9: order to estimate how this will be uh uh will 295 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 9: be paid for. But there's a major challenge. First of all, 296 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 9: ceasefire has to take place, and then the rubble process 297 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 9: will start. Without without a cease fire, none of this 298 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 9: is going to happen. We can stock from now till 299 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 9: a long time, but without a cease fire, this cannot 300 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 9: be removed fad. 301 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: You spoke to people in Gaza for this report, do 302 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: they have any hope for what Gaza's future could look like? 303 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 9: With the war continuing, people will lose hope, but gauesn't 304 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 9: want gause of People want hope, want peace, want stability, 305 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 9: want this to end. They don't want towards anymore. They 306 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 9: have endured so many wars, not one or two or three, 307 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 9: So there might look like there are in desperate and 308 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 9: they are desperate, but hope always have to be there 309 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 9: and this is what can bring the Gosens back. This 310 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 9: what can rebuild Gaza back is people have to continue 311 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 9: to have the hope for peace and for stability and 312 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 9: for them. 313 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 314 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 315 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 316 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 317 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 318 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 319 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 320 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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