WEBVTT - Mavis Staples

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm re loving playing

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<v Speaker 1>along with Mayvas Staples. I'm just playing long wezy, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just playing in lone weazy. Hey, I'm Nora and with

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<v Speaker 1>me as always Sarah, Oda. Hi, this was the third

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<v Speaker 1>episode we released back in October twenty twenty two. That's crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>third episode ever. This was so fun. I just love

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<v Speaker 1>Mavis so much. Just some updates. She released her album

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<v Speaker 1>Sad and Beautiful World in November twenty twenty five, with

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<v Speaker 1>two tracks earning Grammy wins in twenty twenty six, and

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<v Speaker 1>she continues to tour through the summer and fall of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six with select US and international dates. So

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<v Speaker 1>be sure to go visit her website Mayviastaples dot com

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<v Speaker 1>see if she's performing near you, because you do not

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<v Speaker 1>want to miss it. She's the best. She's incredible, She's

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<v Speaker 1>still incredible. She's just the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't miss it.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the episode. Today's show is so fun to

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<v Speaker 1>record and pretty emotional. I don't know how you felt

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<v Speaker 1>about it, Oda, but for me, it was very very special.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Mayvis Staples is a force, but like

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<v Speaker 3>a very sweet, tender, loving, huggable force.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, like, yeah, she's just an amazing human.

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<v Speaker 1>She is full of love and we love her.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot be in a bad mood when she's in

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<v Speaker 3>the room.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And we talk about that a little in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>about her, her energy and where it comes from. Mayva Staples,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, was part of the Staples Singers.

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<v Speaker 3>Mavis and her family were iconic throughout the Civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Her father was friends with doctor Martin Luther King Junior,

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<v Speaker 3>and they performed at rallies and protests before his speeches.

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<v Speaker 3>They inspired people when people needed it the most.

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<v Speaker 1>We enjoyed talking to Mavis about her family and the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic of the Staples Singers, Pops, and of course now

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<v Speaker 1>she's also a solo artist in her own right. She's

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<v Speaker 1>influenced so many people. Everybody loves her and aside from

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<v Speaker 1>the incredible music that she.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes, all the stories that come along with the history

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<v Speaker 3>she's had and the people she's encountered along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I could just listen to her talk all

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<v Speaker 3>day long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talk about all this and we sing several

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<v Speaker 1>songs together, some that I didn't even know we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to sing in this episode, So that was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>She just goes with it at all times, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's so fun about being around Mavis. I met her

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in twenty ten when we were

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<v Speaker 1>both honoring Paul McCartney at the Kennedy Center Honors and

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<v Speaker 1>she saw me. We talk about this too, but she

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<v Speaker 1>saw me and she took my hand and she said, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you be my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She just hugged me, and I was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pure love ever since then. So I was so honored

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<v Speaker 1>that Mavis could join me and we could play songs

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<v Speaker 1>together and reconnect. It's been a long time since I'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen her.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we recorded this episode at Jeff Tweety's studio

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<v Speaker 3>in Chicago called The Loft, and start off by talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a song that he wrote for her called You

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<v Speaker 3>Are Not Alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the Mayvous corner.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that when I was here.

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<v Speaker 2>You do have a corner, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been all over the nooks, even in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I tell you I got my first Grammy

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<v Speaker 2>from here.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, You're not Alone. I was from a staple

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<v Speaker 2>thing just Mayvis. Uh huh, Yeah, that was my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 2>It is beautiful, and you and I got down on

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<v Speaker 2>it too in the Apollo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was hoping we could start with it actually,

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<v Speaker 1>just to warm us up. Yeah, okay, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know the words to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did whenever he brought it to you, were you moved

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<v Speaker 1>by the lyrics?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just and see what he did. He was

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<v Speaker 2>writing it right here in the studio and I was

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<v Speaker 2>standing over him, and he got through that first verse

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<v Speaker 2>and I chill bumps came up, you know, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden he stopped. I'm waiting for him to

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<v Speaker 2>go into the second verse, and he stopped, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what you doing. He says, I need more time, more time,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. I said, oh, tweety, And he said, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have it for you tomorrow. I gotta take it home.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have for you tomorrow. I said, okay, tweet.

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<v Speaker 2>But he gave me the part of the melody, and

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<v Speaker 2>I laid with that the night that I before tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I was at home, and when I came in the

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<v Speaker 2>next day, he laid it on men. I tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>it just it just hit me. And because at that

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<v Speaker 2>time you know I was feeling alone really yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>had lost my sister, my oldest sister, and and uh

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<v Speaker 2>my other sister was sick, you know. So the song

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<v Speaker 2>hit me. You know it was for me. It was

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels made for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was made for me. And uh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>We sing it every show. We don't go off the

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<v Speaker 2>stage without singing You're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard you sing this many many times. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience was around the house singing it really well.

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<v Speaker 1>If you feel alone.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't really alone. I just love the song.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing okay now see I got you, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you two little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's try it.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to try it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing I love about this song is how there's

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<v Speaker 1>harmony the whole way through, and it has that not

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<v Speaker 1>alone feeling it does.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so beautiful and it just and and and it

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<v Speaker 2>makes you feel it's so much better, makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're just telling the truth. You're not alone. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're not alone. And I tell you people people

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<v Speaker 2>love it. People as soon as we hit it, they

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<v Speaker 2>go kbang, it's the best hit it.

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<v Speaker 6>You're not alone.

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<v Speaker 4>With you.

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<v Speaker 2>Alone? What's that song? Cany song got you?

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<v Speaker 7>A broken heart, a broken home? I slayed and afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Open up. This is a raise.

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<v Speaker 8>I want to get it through you.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not a loan, You're not alone.

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<v Speaker 9>Here the read night, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Stand in your place.

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<v Speaker 9>Here the read.

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<v Speaker 5>Whateverythace taste the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>A broken dream, a broken.

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<v Speaker 6>Heart, I slay it.

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<v Speaker 2>And afraid open up. This is ray. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get it through you.

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<v Speaker 10>Your not lone, an open hand, an open heart.

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<v Speaker 11>There's no need to be afraid enough.

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<v Speaker 2>This is raid.

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<v Speaker 6>Won'ta get it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not alone? No no, I won't to get.

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<v Speaker 9>It through to.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 8>To get it through to you, not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Help me, Oh my god, shelp me. That was pretty thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a beautiful you are. So you played all that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was notes and that and that dumb that dream

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<v Speaker 2>and that beautiful, so beautiful tweety, A broken dream, a

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<v Speaker 2>broken heart.

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<v Speaker 4>It hurts, It hurts over.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love it so much, and I loved Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so glad you're saying that with me.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Apollo that was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And at first they couldn't find the piano.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I played it on a world it'zir right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I prayed, I said, didn't want to get hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>and here they go.

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<v Speaker 1>You prayed for a piano for me. Yeah, I'm honored.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, indeed, that was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>That was your birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my idea. That's crazy. Check that out. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you helped me celebrate my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the second time, because I was with you

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport on one of your birthdays at the folk festival.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that must have been. That must have been

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<v Speaker 2>my seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Year probably, I think I don't know. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how old I am. Sometimes I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but but but who cares.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like any different.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're buds and where this could be

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<v Speaker 1>the same age or you know what I mean. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't my god doesn't feel it doesn't feel very different.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Though you've gotten more experienced than me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, yes, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I'm I'm the old girl. I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the seniors. I'm the golden girl, But I'm hanging with

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<v Speaker 2>young blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You are, and people love you. Young people love you.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes me feel it's you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk into the room and you make me feel young.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you just bring the sunshine with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really makes me feel good that the young adults.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one friend who works at Columbia College over here,

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<v Speaker 2>and she teaches, you know, she she just music and

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<v Speaker 2>she tells her students, uh stories, and she lets me know.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, maybes, these kids love you. These kids, Uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know Hermit Terry hermittt No. Yeah, but she

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<v Speaker 2>she tells me all the time, and it makes me

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<v Speaker 2>feel so good.

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<v Speaker 1>They do though, they love you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well see they see that I'm a kid too,

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<v Speaker 2>you are I am?

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never grown up. In my heart, I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>a little kid, you know. And I just I just

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<v Speaker 2>I love to play, I love to sing. I just

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<v Speaker 2>love people. So I love babies. Yeah, Oh man, are

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<v Speaker 2>you take everybody's.

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<v Speaker 1>Bab Are you good with them?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>We get on a plane and and and and I

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<v Speaker 2>always take this little bottle of bubbles with me. And

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<v Speaker 2>if some baby is going to cry on that plane,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wait on it. When I hear baby cry,

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<v Speaker 2>I get my bubbles out, find the baby and I

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<v Speaker 2>started blowing bubbles and the baby looks at the bubbles. Mama,

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<v Speaker 2>be so happy that I came along. Yeah, what I'm Bubbles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's your nickname, right, that's my nickname.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Who gave you that nickname?

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<v Speaker 4>Mother?

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<v Speaker 1>Really? Since you're a little girl, since you were little?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not, It wasn't until I was about I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>thirty yet. I was in my twenties, okay, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I asked, I said, Mama, why you call me bubbles?

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<v Speaker 2>She said, maybe it's because you're so bubbly. You're just

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<v Speaker 2>always so happy. You just you know, you just came

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<v Speaker 2>out that way. I came that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask that, yeah, where that comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think people who have that just are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just happy, go lucky all the time.

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a great way to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. And I'm grateful because but every now

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll let something get on my nerve. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to be strong, yeah, you know, because most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time I overlook it. Whatever, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>it was supposed to get on my nerve. I can

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<v Speaker 2>overlook it and stay happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll take some of that, please, Can I

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<v Speaker 1>have some of that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Free of charge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty happy in general. But I'm not a bubbly person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like I don't bring the

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<v Speaker 1>sunshine into every room, but I don't get too sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually I'm pretty even.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have my moment, don't realize it. But you

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<v Speaker 2>do bring the sunshine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's kind of you. But I mean, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about you bring in the sunshine, you're on

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<v Speaker 1>a hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I come in noisy, noisy cruise. Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, And and Prince used to tell me, you said, Mayavies,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking too loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, what a thing to say, he would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I was grateful though, because alsover reflect told me then really,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've always thought, you know, there were five of

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<v Speaker 2>us children in the house. Yeah, And if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be heard, you gotta let your voice be heard.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I come from a noisy crew, just

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<v Speaker 2>like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, Allah family, noisy, that's what it's about, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I'm I'm just grateful. I know I should

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<v Speaker 2>talk softer and saved my.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at this point, you're good. Did they say

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<v Speaker 1>that out of concern for your singing voice? Yeah, oh okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I get that, but if it hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>a problem yet, right then, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about all my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess they were just used to being around

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<v Speaker 2>people who talked under their voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and now I was surprised his voice, so Mayavis Prince.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a little speaking voice, right, yeah. I met

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<v Speaker 1>him once, but he did he and he was very

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<v Speaker 1>soft spoken. He was, he was, and he observed a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah. I took him to I said, Brians,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just gonna have to make you my son. Al right, Bavies,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be your son. And I loved hear him talk

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<v Speaker 2>because his voice was just raw. Yeah, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>when he sing, you know, it was a heavy voice

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<v Speaker 2>when he sing too, but to talk. I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>do an interview with Arsenio Hall one time, and man,

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<v Speaker 2>his voice or Senior was shocked. He was shocked too.

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<v Speaker 2>But some people talk in a different voice than they sing.

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<v Speaker 1>My kids told me that when they hear my voice singing,

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<v Speaker 1>they think I sound different. When I'm just home, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you telling them to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they tell you said, yes, your boy, your

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<v Speaker 2>singing voice is very mellow and sweet and soft and

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<v Speaker 2>and and you you could make a person hurt themselves

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<v Speaker 2>because you just you just calm you down. You said.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first heard.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the name, oh don't know why, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first don't know, don't know why. I was

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<v Speaker 2>around the house doing something and that came on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>and I stopped whatever I was doing. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>stop and listen. And then the next time, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a beautiful song. Next time I heard it, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw you. You were on television and I was

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<v Speaker 2>walking around the house again. The TV was on and

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<v Speaker 2>you came on and I said, it's a song I

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<v Speaker 2>saw you. I said, oh my goodness, started singing it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just been one of my favorites all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Jesse Harris wrote that song. Really, he was

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<v Speaker 1>in my band and he wrote the song.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people think I wrote it. But I wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>few songs on that album, but I didn't really get

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<v Speaker 1>deep into songwriting until a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right, Yeah, well, you sing it like you

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<v Speaker 2>wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have to, don't you. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you own the song to really deliver it,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you didn't come up with it right. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you do with the Jeff Twitty song. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what you do with every song. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>really do what you have to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You really do. You've got to from your heart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to come from your heart if you you

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<v Speaker 2>want to deliver it and you want people to get

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<v Speaker 2>it and feel it and react from it the way

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<v Speaker 2>you have That's what's the way you gotta do.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Pop's always told me. We were in New York one

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<v Speaker 2>time about I was about thirteen years old, and these

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<v Speaker 2>kids sing before us and they were just jumping all

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<v Speaker 2>across the stage and singing loud. So when it was

0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.880
<v Speaker 2>time for us to sing, I did that, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>my father snatched me off the stage. He said, what

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.399
<v Speaker 2>is wrong with you? Made Wow? He said, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I said, I'm just singing.

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<v Speaker 12>Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, maybe let me tell you something. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>your music don't need a gimmick. You don't need a gimmick.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you sing from your heart. Sing what comes

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>from the heart, reaches the heart. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>I've never forgotten it, never, you know. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't be you don't have to clown. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to give me. I was drying the kids. They

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<v Speaker 2>were jumping across the stage. Yeah, singing loud and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, the uh. You singing sacred music. You don't

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.200
<v Speaker 2>need any gimmick, singing from your heart. If you sing

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<v Speaker 2>from your heart, you'll reach the people.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that. I also, I think his voice

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<v Speaker 1>also had that mellow, easy going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't trying to sing over anybody, but you had

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<v Speaker 1>to lean in to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it hit.

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<v Speaker 2>You right right. And you're the same way. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>You laid back. I don't know, I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 2>but you are. I'm just so proud to know you,

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<v Speaker 2>a little lad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud to know you. I met you at the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy Center for the first time. Yeah, and you took

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<v Speaker 1>my hands and you saw I was nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Knew I was nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you. Yeah, you can tell. I could tell.

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<v Speaker 1>So you took me and you held me.

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<v Speaker 2>Did said, I got to protect this little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what am I doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I came on down there and got you have

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<v Speaker 2>just stand right by me and we held hands all

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<v Speaker 2>through that finale.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was so fun and it was so special

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<v Speaker 1>meeting you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that was a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was.

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<v Speaker 2>A good time. Anytime I see your name, I flare up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that could go either way. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>seeing you. I was seeing you so much like you

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<v Speaker 2>told me yesterday, said that was Christmas. But Christmas needed you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, it really needed you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I needed Christmas last year, and that's

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 1>why I made a Christmas album because I needed I

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<v Speaker 1>needed a little joyful something to feel right good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm glad you made that album because they were

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<v Speaker 2>a feature in you all week, all day, every hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Under again it's a Christmas exhaustion.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We recorded the song from Your Christmas The Staples Singers

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas album we did the twenty fifth day of December.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send it to you. It wasn't It wasn't on

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<v Speaker 1>the album, but it was a bonus track. Oh please,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel like we made it. It was so

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<v Speaker 1>Your version is so good. It was hard to beat it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's great. It's still a great version, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great I loved your I listen to your Christmas album.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, really record, Yeah really, and that was so

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<v Speaker 2>many years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, but it's beautiful.

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful album. And and and Pops he wrote

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 2>the song there was a Star he did. Yeah, he

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>wrote that and uh, oh my god. You for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, you couldn't find it. We couldn't find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they had to reissue it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And and the Blind Boys they did some songs

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<v Speaker 2>from that album. But I got it here twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my favorite. It was maybewhere my table to May,

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<v Speaker 2>July all good, September, October, No, it was last money

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<v Speaker 2>the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, fifth day of December.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I leave it or not?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I kept saying when we were recording it,

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I kept saying the twenty second, twenty first day of December,

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>just because it rolled off my tongue right, and my

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>drummer Brian, but he goes, Nora. I think that's when Larry,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta get right. It's the twenty fifth day in December,

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<v Speaker 1>not the twenty first day.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't get that one right, No.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and props brought that. Tell me when was Jesus burn,

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<v Speaker 2>last Mone of the year. When was in Jesus.

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<v Speaker 9>Born, last mon of the year?

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<v Speaker 2>When one bone.

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<v Speaker 6>Last mon?

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<v Speaker 3>Yead?

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<v Speaker 2>You got January? Sidyway my.

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<v Speaker 6>June to lie?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, septill Myctober.

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<v Speaker 12>No, it was twenty fifth delty sam boy.

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 4>It was the last money.

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<v Speaker 2>Born by the Virgin Mary.

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<v Speaker 6>Last money.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 13>He was born by the Virgin Mary. Last money born

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<v Speaker 13>by the Virgin Mary.

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<v Speaker 9>Last money.

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<v Speaker 2>We got January?

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 6>Uh huh, February, yeah, May, June.

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>July all good, September No, No, it was the twenty

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>fifth de d somebody it was.

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 4>The last money.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 6>Thought it was fun.

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Yeah, well we're having Christmas today.

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I love the end of that song, last

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Mother the so how low can you go? How low

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>can you go?

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't go down? Oh my god, I didn't go down.

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Whoa how low can you go? I can go down

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>very low?

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing. But did you you like that when

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>you were younger?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my voice was so heavy always, and I

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 2>get I take it from my mother and my grandmother.

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>They had strong voices, but I would Yeah. When I

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, it was my voice is higher. Now

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 2>when I get my tonsils removed, Oh really, it got higher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's so weird. Oh yeah, I be. I would fight.

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Kids would tell me you sound like a boy.

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we started traveling, if I called down for breakfast,

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the lady would say yes, mister Staples, yes, sir. And

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I heard it so much the less time. I said

0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm a lady and they said, oh, I'm sorry, you know,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's always been. Uh, I've always had a

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>heavy voice. And and I used to sing bass our

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>first record, you know Sten Well the will the Willow

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>who that's insane?

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>And how old were you?

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid. I was like like nine years old.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>That's when uncloudy Day came.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, and cloudy Day came when I was thirteen

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 2>twelve thirteen. But but they wanted to record us when

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, and Pops wouldn't allow it. The

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>president of VJ Records, Vivian Carter, she called Daddy. She said,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>she says, stay those kids, y'all need to be on record,

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And Pop said, well, Vivian, I don't know nothing about

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 2>those records, you know, he was all of us were green.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>We didn't, you know. And he said, I'm not gonna

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>let my children get on those records.

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>He was afraid because you were too young, right, he didn't.

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 2>Know what business of it.

0:27:58.240 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>And my sister Yvonne, she would go, she would and

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>got books. She got this big read book, this business

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>and music. She learned. She helped him a lot.

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 9>Really.

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she got that book and help you guys

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>figure out. That's incredible.

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she sure did. She stayed right with him, you know,

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>booking and and she taught him a lot. But also

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>people like the Solisters and and uh sister Maya Jackson,

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 2>they were already recording and they would tell Daddy different things,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, they would tell him, you know, what to

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 2>do and how.

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>To do and watch out for this.

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>So when I was about twelve, Pops called Vivian and

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>told her. He said, okay, Vivian, we'll make that recognized

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that my children.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And after he'd read the book, yeah, yeah, he felt good.

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, Pops. Pops didn't know, you know, we

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't we were just singing.

0:28:58.360 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>He used to sing with an all male group six guys,

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and these guys wouldn't come to rehearsal, so possibly be frustrated.

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>He'd come home mad.

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 12>You know.

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>He came home that third time and he went in

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>the closet, pulled out a little guitar that he had.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>We didn't even know he had a guitar.

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't play it.

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>He could play it. He couldn't have all the strings,

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>but he could make it sound good. And he told

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>my aunt Katy, he said, I'm gonna sing with my children.

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>He called all of us into the living room, sit

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>us down on the floor in the circle, and begin

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>giving us voices that he and his sisters and brothers

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>used to sing when they were in Mississippi.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>People thought we were old people when we were We

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>would go places and they just knew we were old.

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>They heard us, and because because we had a little

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>radio fifteen minute radio show Sunday morning and we were singing,

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and they thought we were old people. Because Pops, we

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>were singing those old voices like his sisters and brothers.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 2>We would walk in little stairsteps and he said, that's

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the stables singing.

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Its old already.

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but that's yeah, he would give us those voices,

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and and that's how we started singing. My aunt Katie

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>lived with us, okay, and she came through one night.

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>She says, y'all sound pretty good.

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>And my church son, had you already been singing in

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>church your whole lives?

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, we've been singing. We hadn't do as the family,

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we hadn't been singing in church. We didn't start. We

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>started doing programs at churches. But but uh, my sister

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and brother were in the young people's choir. I was

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>too young to go.

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so you didn't really sing much until he

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>started doing that.

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Until he started us singing, what's your order?

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>There's five of you kids, I'm you're the baby. Yeah, okay, bubbles,

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I get it now.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I'm the baby. Oh no, Cynthia, I was the

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>baby for twelve years. Oh wow. And my baby sister

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>came along, and you know, I didn't like how did that?

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like that I would be putting diapers on

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>that baby and I stick up. Mama said maybe you

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>were sticking that. I said, no, ma'am, mama. But Cynthia

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and I became the best of friends. We became the

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I called her blessed and she called me Rabil. She

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>couldn't say my name Rabel, and and uh oh, but

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 2>she was, uh yeah, she was, she was. I told Papa,

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I said, we got to put Cynthia. She would sing

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>songs with us when we were in Chicago at the

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>different churches, you know. But yes, Cynthia. And see, Mama

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and Daddy, they were just my mother was heavy set,

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>so I never knew she was pregnant, you know.

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>She just happened.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know where this baby came from. And they

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 2>told me, h to'stify me. Uh because when my mother

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 2>came home, she didn't bring the baby. She had to

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>leave the baby there. And and and and Mama said,

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>you go with with with Roebuck, get to pick up

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>the baby. I said, what baby? Baby?

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And uh and they started telling me that we had

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>this baby. And so they let me name her. They did,

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Cynthia Marie, that's.

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 11>Her.

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy. And see because what happened. My father he

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>would he would he wouldn't, he wouldn't pass me up.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.959
<v Speaker 2>He goes straight to that baby of bed or wherever

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>she was. And and blowing he used to blow in

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>my stomach, make me laugh, tore me up in the

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>air when he'd come from work and all that stopped.

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and and so somebody should have been around

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to talk to him, let him know he was supposed

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to keep doing that.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I grew up an only child, so it's like just

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine what it was like being in

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a family, Like.

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, it was good being in them. We

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>we uh, we would have we would disagree, we didn't

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>have any We fussed sometimes, but Mama would tell us,

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 2>don't do that. You have to love your sister, and

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's your sister. And you all make up apologizing

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>me up. But you know, Yvonne and Cleatye they would

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>do most.

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 9>Of the argience.

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because they were the close older they were.

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, yea.

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Whenever you guys were traveling, when how old were you

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>when you started really traveling around and touring?

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess, but oh yes, we were touring.

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>We were How old were you in that start?

0:33:55.360 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was like about thirteen. Wow, the day

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>was a hit.

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>It was a hit, and you were thirteen years old?

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Uncoudy day this woman called pop, she says, Staples this

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>record is selling like an R and B. And it

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>turned out that it was the first gospel record to

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>sell a million. That's insane.

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 9>It was.

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was the first gospel and and and uh.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>But but we would we would be We would go

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to down South, we would go to Milwaukee, Gary, all

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>around Chicago and sing and and people would bet the

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>disc jockey when we want to New Orleans, Memphis. The

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>dis jockey would get on the radio and say, this

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>is little Mayvid Staple. This little girl is singing this.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>People would bet that I was not a little.

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Girl, yeah, because you had that deep I'm.

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Saying, well, well, will oh, yeah, lord, they tell me now,

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 2>and I got a home at home, and can you

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>know I'm a little girl, a little skinny girl.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 1>And you're short now, so you're probably I was shorter.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I was even shorter. But but but yeah, they would bet.

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And what we would do, we would fool the people.

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 2>We would sing Uncody Dady down in harmony. Whoa They

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>tell me all of that and then get to the

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 2>end of it, and I come in with will will

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 2>will oh. So what happened was my brother At that

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 2>people would be sitting on they been all of these

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 2>people that bet that I am not a little girl,

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, perverse move my brother like

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.359
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna say, and you'd hear the people. I told

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>you that wasn't no little girl. I told you that

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>one and I'm easy. Then how easy it to the mic?

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And they look up and it's really a little girls? Oh,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 2>we had so much fun with that.

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>But that's so fun travel with your family. Did it

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>ever get sticky?

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Nah?

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>No, you always anything, even throughout. So he got older,

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>all of it, all of it. The only only thing

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Evonne Clete would argue about saying was what to wear.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>One of them wanted to wear this, and one of

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>them wanted to wear that. And because you know my brother,

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 2>he left the group in nineteen sixty nine. It hurt

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>me so bad, really, because Purvis and I we had

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>this clap. Nobody could do that clap the way we would,

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and he just got grown a man, you know me,

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and they get tired of doing what their father tell

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>them to do. You know, he wanted to be his

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>own man. Because Pop's are asking. Pop said, perr, you

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>sure you don't want to just take a leave of accident, No, daddy, Nope,

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:57.919
<v Speaker 2>I quit done, and just as he quit, I'll take

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 2>you there hit. Oh, and his friends would would mess

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>with him. He go into one of their bars or whatever,

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and they put a quard in the juke box and

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 2>play take You There. Said, y'all shouldn't do that jo. Yeah,

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 2>but he did, all right, he he he managed the

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 2>emotions for a while.

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So he got into the business.

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, he was still in the business. Yeah, he

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 2>was still in the other side of it, right right.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>They were. They were gospel singers at first, and they

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>were our little friends, the Hutchison Sunbeams, and they wanted

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to sing R and B. And so that's when Purvis

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>took them down the stacks, got him a choreographer, tarts steps.

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>They had some hits.

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but that's amazing. I mean, it's amazing to

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>me how close you guys stayed and that there was

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>let you know, there could have been a lot of

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>drama there.

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, but but but but my mother

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't allow it. Mama and daddy. You know, they just

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 2>taught us. They they taught us. We grew up loving one.

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>That's so special though, and it's really feels unique and

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You an only child, but I do

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>have a half sister who's two years younger than me.

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>But we both grew up separately, so we didn't know

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>each other till we were a little older. Oh wow,

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, only child. That sounds like a party to me.

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, because some are you spoiled?

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Of course you are. I don't know.

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But if you ask my mother, she would tell you

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a different answer.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know I met your mom. Yeah you did. Yeah.

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>She's very tall. Yeah, oh man, she is tall. She's tall, yeah,

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm short. She's five to ten. I'm five to one. Yeah,

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't really I might have been spoiled, but

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I never messed with her like I was a good kid,

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't. I wanted to get mad.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>She was so Yeah, she was tough, and by her

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>being so tall, you said, I've been I messed with her. Yeah,

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 2>but all you had to do was leap up.

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't think that would have flown with her.

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 2>You did the right thing. Listen to my mom knows best.

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I try, Yeah, you try.

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 9>Try.

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh.

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Man, I was wondering, do you remember the first song

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you sang with Pops when he was teaching you.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. The very first song my father taught us

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>was what the Circle Beyond?

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 4>Ah?

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that the Circle be broke? And all

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that was his faith. And on our records we recorded

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>it about four or five times. But on the records,

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Pops is singing, and I love to hear Pop singing

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>because he was so smooth. You know, he was a

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 2>singer like you. He he was laid back. Look. Slid

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.959
<v Speaker 2>Stone came to Pops one day and said, hey, Pap,

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.959
<v Speaker 2>give me the bag. And Pap say what you're talking about?

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 2>He said, come on, mom, give.

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 8>Me the bag.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I know you got it.

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Because he was so laid back.

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they thought and purpose my brother had to

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.919
<v Speaker 2>tell Daddy what this lid was talking about. And Pop

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>he says, like, you come, I'm gonna choke you boy.

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 2>You know I don't do that.

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Mass too funny.

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, it was so funny. Yeah, because they would

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 2>all talk about how laid back Pop sing, you know,

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and and his voice is just flowed.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>But when he he taught us circle be unbroken and

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and and we have sang it. We sang it with

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Cash on his television show that it was the state,

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 2>both family and the Carter family. That was years ago.

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>That must have been fun.

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>It was fun. Yeah. It was for one of one

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>of his specials, you.

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Know those TV special Yeah.

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 12>I love.

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but but and I sing it all that's on

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>my on my list, on our shoulders and perhaps maybe uh,

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>because we look at us as a family, that's our circle.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>And he put us in a circle when he started

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 2>giving us the voices to sing.

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>It was I can just picture it. You're sitting down circle.

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna sing some of it for you. You

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 2>sing it to you know, I don't know what k

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I sing in.

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 4>Now you know that I was thinking.

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I was stand too low?

0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Is that too low?

0:41:58.440 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:41:59.280 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>That's good?

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 4>What you say?

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Key that is? That's g okay, that's a shame. I

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know what key I sing at.

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I know it's not probably changed over the years.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably a Yeah, I sing in some different keys though,

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in our shoulders. But it's all right. I don't need

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to know what ye say.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I can do it in any key.

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 4>You just tell me.

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, no, you were I think that was good. I

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 2>was signing and that's where you were.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And.

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 2>On a cold and cloud any day when I saw

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the hers come rolling or too caring, Ma moa the away,

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>well the circle.

0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 9>Be ut.

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>By and by lord, by and bye.

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 9>Here's a bed.

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 6>Hod away.

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 9>In the sky.

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Lord the scout wo told the under take lease, drive

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:39.240
<v Speaker 2>slow cause it's lady.

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 6>That you haul land. Oh why.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.360
<v Speaker 2>To see her go?

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 4>Will the circus.

0:43:54.920 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Being broke by and by my lord, bye bye.

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 9>There's a bed.

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 6>Home away.

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 5>In the sky, Lord in the sky.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 6>I will follow.

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:32.240
<v Speaker 14>Close behind her, try to hold up and be brave,

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 14>but I could not.

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 6>On my side role.

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Winner laid her in the grain.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 9>With the circle.

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Beyon broken.

0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:00.919
<v Speaker 9>By and by lord, bye and bye.

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 4>There's a bad.

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 6>Oh my way.

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 5>In the sky, low in the sky, in the sky,

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 5>love him the sky.

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 4>In the sky, low in the.

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Sky.

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh you sound just like Cleedie.

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, oh yeah, I heard Cleedy in your voice. Girl,

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 2>don't stop me to cry. I tell you my sister Kleedie.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>She had the best best soprano voice.

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Really, so you were low and she was high.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so you come from And I credit her

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>for the Staples singer sound. Really oh yeah, oh wow.

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>She would shot and look Aretha would be recording and

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>she tell her sister Carolyn. Now, Carolyn, I want to

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 2>sound like cleother. Oh wow, that's amazing. Yeah, and and

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>and Carolyn was saying, Carolyn told me about it. She said,

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Mayabe's I told her I can't sound.

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Like cleop because she was mad about it.

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 9>Mad.

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but it's a different Pops would give clearly

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 2>like a minor. She would go like, I know what

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. No, I know, minor in some places.

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>And but her voice if you on all of our

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>old stuff where Cleedie is singing, her voice stands out.

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>And and and her her surprise. And Pops his guitar,

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that's the staple singers.

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I love his guitar so much.

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And he cool taught himself.

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what's good about it. It's just feeling. It's simple,

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's got the thing. That's what it's got,

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the sound feeling. Right, When did he how did he

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>get that electric sound? Do you know how that came about?

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 11>Pop?

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember when he got that tremolo, because.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't typical then, no gospel music.

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>No, and and and and some preachers, some preachers didn't

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 2>want Pops to play his guitar in the church, and

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Pops had to let him know, Look, you read your Bible,

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 2>string instruments, saying the Bible, you know the heart. The

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Pop would name them all. I guess, uh, what's that

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>other one? I can't call the name of it. But

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 2>but but and and and we just wouldn't go to

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the church if they wouldn't let Pops play his guitar.

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 2>But he learned from a blues man, Charlie Patton. Okay,

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>see he Pops was on this farm, Patrick Practice Farm

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 2>in Mississippi, and this man was hollering with a lot

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of the blues singers were on this this farm, and

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and and uh, Pops would tell us how this man,

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Patton would be playing. And look, we didn't know

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>for years. While we were singing gospel, our father was

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>playing the blues on his caduc Yeah, that's what it is.

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>It's the marriage of those two things. And that made

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it so unique, right right right.

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>But he he he, He went to the guitar store

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 2>one day and he came back with this trimlod. He said,

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>y'all listen, listen to this, and he was drum and

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Elvis presently told me one time, the first time the

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>only time I ever saw him, and the first time

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I ever saw we were in Memphis and I was

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>standing on the side. It was a starlight review outside

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and I was standing over in the wing, and all

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden he come in with one of his partners.

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 2>They got these leather jackets on, like they've been riding motorcycles,

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and and and we had sang and and uh. He

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.799
<v Speaker 2>told me, he said, I like the way your father

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.879
<v Speaker 2>played that guitar. I said, well, thank you. He said, yeah,

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 2>he plays a nervous guitar. A nervous guitar. He called

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it a nervous guitar.

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 9>What does that mean?

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Because of them, that was.

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.720
<v Speaker 2>A good expression. I said, well, I've never heard that before,

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a nervous guitar. Yeah, that's what I'll never forget. And

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.320
<v Speaker 2>that was my meeting with Elvis Presley. I didn't know

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>who was one of the guys, David Ruffin who sing

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.320
<v Speaker 2>who later sang with the Temptation. He was singing with

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a gospel. He told me, he said, Maye, you know

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>that guy what you was talking to. I said no.

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>He said, blue sways shoes.

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:07.879
<v Speaker 1>I said, that's him, that's him.

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 2>That's the way he would let me know because of

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>blue swey shoes. Wow, but yeah, Pops played a nervous guitar.

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Did he laugh at that description?

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Did he laugh? He did he laugh? He told me maybe,

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you call me over to let me me?

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I said, dadd I didn't really know.

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 9>Who he was.

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I was just a David told me who he was. Yeah,

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.759
<v Speaker 2>that was beautiful. That's a good expression of him though.

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Of Pops is guitar nurvous guitar because it does.

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>That's just the funniest thing I've heard.

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but but yeah, Daddy, that's that's when he learned

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.280
<v Speaker 2>how to play his guitar. And he was always playing

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>it in the house, you know, after he let us

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 2>know we had a guitar, because we didn't know until

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:01.280
<v Speaker 2>those guys wouldn't come to rehearsal, and he he probably

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>probably wouldn't be any Staples singers if they had they had.

0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Come to hear.

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I thank them wow for being not not there,

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>not not serious about this. They were the trumpet too,

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and they had a good group too. Possole sing lead

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and uh and Pops had a voice. He would he

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 2>he never went into his false settle on the staple

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 2>singers that, Oh yeah, he would go and he would

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>tell me what how they do it up in Heaven today?

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes pee therebye there like a river.

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 2>They say, oh possible bad. Yeah. And I recorded a

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>song with tweety that's what are they doing in heaven.

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not singing it like Pops though. Well that's okay.

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 1>You sing like you.

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I sing like me. I sing like me. I'm so

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 2>grateful to be talking to you, little lady.

0:51:59.600 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:06.879
<v Speaker 2>You you are. You are so different from anybody else

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:11.400
<v Speaker 2>out here. Really, yeah, nobody sounds like you. Nobody. Well

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.439
<v Speaker 2>get me up, break but that's what you show.

0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:16.799
<v Speaker 1>But that's what you want, right to be.

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 2>To be different yet right, But but I'm just honored.

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 12>You know.

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I never thought I would meet you. When I first

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 2>heard you on the radio, don't know, I said, listen

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 2>to who is she?

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:35.600
<v Speaker 9>Who is she?

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm still figuring it out.

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well no, well you you are a giant. You

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>a tiny little lady. You are a giant. I tell you,

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I love it. And when I came to your show

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in the Red Rocks, Yeah, we did.

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>A show together.

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, that was fun. I started it off I

0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 2>warmed them up for you.

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>You killed it, and I was nervous to go on.

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I was, of course ill.

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Those people, all those people that came out for you,

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and and and I noticed you were doing some songs

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that I hadn't heard, and every time you would hit

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 2>one of those songs, the crowd would roar.

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>That's so funny, that's what Well, that's one of my

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:24.280
<v Speaker 1>favorite audiences at Red Rocks, and they're always very loving.

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>You play there many times, right.

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, we have we have oh with different people.

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yours was the best.

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>We had fun. We have fun. We had recorded a

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 1>song together that Pete Ran wrote. I don't know if

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you remember it, but I was wondering if you feel

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 1>like trying it.

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it'll come to me as you go, because I

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I I that's been a while. What happened? Anyway? We

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:03.800
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to go on tour with that.

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So we were gonna go on tour and then the

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 1>pandemic hit. Yeah, we were gonna do a bunch of

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:10.240
<v Speaker 1>shows together.

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I remember. I was so happy.

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 9>Me too.

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, we will again. We're gonna do it again. Yeah, really,

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 2>we will just do it again. We do it again

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and set it up. You set it up.

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 9>There's a place.

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 14>Five from here.

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.320
<v Speaker 9>Going to make it mine.

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 11>Swear I've belong where I again, where I'm going.

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll be gone. I'll be gone.

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 9>Where my heart.

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Get so tired that I candy tail time.

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 9>Don't you cri.

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Where I get.

0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 6>Where I'm going, I'll.

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 9>Be go, I'll be go.

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Whish I could tell you that the.

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 15>Sun was gonna shine. I got a feeling that I stiff.

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Won't change my mind.

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:46.320
<v Speaker 9>Running out of the tide. There's a place.

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>On the mountain you can take my bones.

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 9>I go home.

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 6>When I get where I'm going, I'll be gone.

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll be gone. I gotta tell you that it's all

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 2>going to be just fly.

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 16>I don't want to waste anymore of your time. You

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 16>didn't waste mind.

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh now you don't about a beautiful song.

0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful songs. He wrote this a long time ago, really, yeah,

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe eight years nine years ago.

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:50.560
<v Speaker 2>And yeah.

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 1>At one point he mentioned, gosh, it would be cool

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>to hear maybe us sing this song. I was like,

0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you're right, But you know, I'm a little shy sometimes

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I have a hard time reaching out and asking.

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>To do things. But don't be that way with me. Okay,

0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 2>now you know it don't come to me anytime but anything.

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>But it came full circle, but not for like five

0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:14.920
<v Speaker 1>more years. And then and then I got unshy and

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I asked you to sing it.

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was so that that blew my mind.

0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, wow, it's a great one.

0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what I wish. I could play up anything.

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And you never picked anything up.

0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I picked up the guitar.

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I told Pops I wanted to play that guitar. And

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:38.400
<v Speaker 2>he tried to teach me, but he didn't. He wasn't

0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 2>taught either. So and and then it was a time

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 2>when Pops was still frisky. I was young.

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean.

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean he wasn't ready to patient.

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I took it the wrong way.

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't man going out on mama. Yeah, you

0:59:55.560 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 2>know that's that's frisky. But no, he just wasn't patient enough.

1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.640
<v Speaker 2>So he gave me about he got me a little

1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 2>training guitar, and he gave me about three lessons and

1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:12.240
<v Speaker 2>he was done. He said, maybe I'll tell you what, baby,

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 2>You go down to Lion Healey And I'm eleven years old.

1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to go downtown to Liney Healey.

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<v Speaker 1>To buy it to get lessons.

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, to get lessons from them. And I

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.720
<v Speaker 2>told him, I said, Daddy, I want to pick it

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.720
<v Speaker 2>like you and Sister Rose other talk. I don't want to,

1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, but but if I had learned, if I

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 2>had learned how to strum, I think that would have

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.080
<v Speaker 2>made it easier for him to teach me. You know,

1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Picking is harder, harder.

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I know that's but, but but I

1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 2>would have been happy strumming.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you about when you guys met

1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:58.480
<v Speaker 1>doctor Martin Luther King and you kind of switched from

1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:03.000
<v Speaker 1>singing gospel to these freedom songs protest songs. I read

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:07.680
<v Speaker 1>something about Pops meeting him and saying he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>sing his words. That is the most beautiful thing I've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>That was something. Yeah, Pops, he it just happened. We

1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:22.880
<v Speaker 2>were in Montgomery, Alabama on Sunday morning. We didn't have

1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:26.160
<v Speaker 2>to work until that night, and Pops called my sisters

1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:30.040
<v Speaker 2>and I to his room and he told us, he said, listen, y'all,

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>this man Martin is here, Martin Luther King, and he

1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:38.080
<v Speaker 2>has a church here. He said, I've been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>him on the radio. Doctor King had a radio show

1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:44.240
<v Speaker 2>and Pops has been listening to him, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to go to his eleven o'clock service. Do

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:49.960
<v Speaker 2>you all want to go? We said, yeah, Daddy, we

1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.360
<v Speaker 2>want to go. We all got in the car, went

1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:55.440
<v Speaker 2>down the decks to have a new Baptist church and

1:01:58.480 --> 1:02:01.960
<v Speaker 2>we will ushered in and see it. Someone let Doctor

1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 2>King know that we were in the service, and he

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.360
<v Speaker 2>acknowledged us. He said, we've got to have POPA Staples

1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and his daughter's here this morning. Hope you enjoyed the service. Well,

1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:18.720
<v Speaker 2>we enjoyed the service, and that as the service is over,

1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:21.919
<v Speaker 2>the worshipers, Doctor King stands at the door to shake

1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the worshiper's hands as they filed out, and Pops walked

1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:29.560
<v Speaker 2>past shook his hand. Now, my sisters and I did

1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.040
<v Speaker 2>first we shoot, We shoot Doctor King. Oh that was

1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:37.200
<v Speaker 2>a feeling. I shook his hand and Pops we had

1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:38.920
<v Speaker 2>to wait on him. He stood there and talked to

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.880
<v Speaker 2>him for a while. He finally came on. We get

1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.640
<v Speaker 2>back to the hotel. He called us to his room

1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:50.520
<v Speaker 2>again and he said, listen, y'all, I like this man's message.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like his message, and I think that if

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<v Speaker 2>he can preach it, we can sing it.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And we started writing freedom songs, March up Freedom Highway?

1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Why am I Treated So Bad? We we we we

1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:09.040
<v Speaker 2>we switched over because we didn't feel that it was

1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>anything wrong. We felt like this was close to gospel.

1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, we singing the truth, you know, we we

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<v Speaker 2>we what we wanna, we want. We joined the movement

1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and and uh we would sing. We would sing before

1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Doctor King would speak. We'd go to the meetings and

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor King would tell pop, stay, you're gonna sing my

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<v Speaker 2>song that night, right, probably say oh yeah, Doctor, were

1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:40.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna sing your song? Why am I Treated So Bad? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That was his favorite. And and and and people asked

1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:47.479
<v Speaker 2>me what did he He never talked to us girls.

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<v Speaker 2>He never sit down, and he would just he would

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<v Speaker 2>just say something, how you girls doing this morning? Y'all

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<v Speaker 2>doing all right? Yes, sir Doctor King. Wow. But but

1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:01.640
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't sit in the hold he would talk. People

1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:03.560
<v Speaker 2>asked me, what did he talk to you about? What

1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:04.600
<v Speaker 2>he didn't talk to me?

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<v Speaker 12>You know?

1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But what what I did remember mostly Doctor King was

1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:14.960
<v Speaker 2>his laughter. He had this laughter when he laughed because

1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>most of the time I would see him, he either

1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:23.120
<v Speaker 2>looked sad or serious, you know, And and when I'd

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<v Speaker 2>hear him laugh, that would make my heart happy, because

1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, doctor King is happy. And that would be

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<v Speaker 2>most of the time when we'd be going to the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting and the men would be in a huddle down

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<v Speaker 2>in the parking lot, and all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 2>hear doctor King laughing. That made me feel so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, he never held a conversation with my sisters

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<v Speaker 2>and I. He was just asking that. He said the

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<v Speaker 2>same way every time, are you girls doing this morning?

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<v Speaker 15>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>How much older was he? You were young?

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<v Speaker 2>Still?

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<v Speaker 8>I was young?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How young were you then?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just I was well in the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>sixty This was like about sixty three, nineteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 2>So I was born in thirty nine. I'm not good

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<v Speaker 2>at math.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in your you were in your early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was in my early twenties.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And but but that was when we joined the movement

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<v Speaker 2>and we became the soundtrack you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Un Congressman John Lewis would tell, oh, he was my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he was my friend, And I went to his

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<v Speaker 2>office when I did a freedom album with Ray Koto,

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked him if he would write my liner notes,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, Baby, you know you and your family

1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.320
<v Speaker 2>y'all kept us motivated, kept us inspired to keep on

1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:55.160
<v Speaker 2>watching your songs. I said, yes, sir doctor, because after

1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:58.240
<v Speaker 2>surprise he remembered me. Yeah, I said you, Doug. I

1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.120
<v Speaker 2>hadn't seen him in the year, and uh, I was

1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:03.640
<v Speaker 2>surprised that gave me a meeting. And of course he

1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:09.840
<v Speaker 2>remembered he didn't remember me, baby, your family, and and

1:06:10.000 --> 1:06:14.400
<v Speaker 2>so he I hate I missed his birthday, invited me

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<v Speaker 2>to his last birthday party and I couldn't go. We

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<v Speaker 2>will working, you know, But but he was my friend

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<v Speaker 2>to the end. Yeah, Congressman John Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>That's beautiful, Uncle John, Uncle John. When you guys were

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<v Speaker 1>writing songs, was everybody was collectively just sort of pitching in.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Pops always yeah? Was he did he ever work

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<v Speaker 1>on songwriting, like on his own all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>He did.

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<v Speaker 2>Pops was always jotting something down, you know, and and

1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:51.880
<v Speaker 2>we would help him. We would put some words in

1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:55.280
<v Speaker 2>on this song. But but that's Daddy's so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want any credit for Okay, right, we give him to Daddy,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, Yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 2>We dropped dropped birds and he march of Freedom's Highway.

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<v Speaker 2>Made up my mind and I won't turn around, made

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<v Speaker 2>up mine. And there's this one thing I can't understand,

1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:16.760
<v Speaker 2>my friend, that I'm proud of that because that was me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why some folks think freedom was not designed for all men?

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many people living their life perplexed, wondering

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<v Speaker 2>in their minds, what's going to happen next? HASPI we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to march?

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the very first one we wrote for the movement.

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<v Speaker 2>And boy, we moved only and and uh we were

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<v Speaker 2>saying that. We sing, oh why am I treating so bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Pops wrote that because of the there were nine children

1:07:52.040 --> 1:07:57.480
<v Speaker 2>in Little Rock, Arkansas, trying to integrate Central High School.

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<v Speaker 2>They would meet people. They kids would walk up there

1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:06.600
<v Speaker 2>every day their books in their arms, proud, and people

1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:10.600
<v Speaker 2>would throw stones at them, spit at them, call them names,

1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:13.160
<v Speaker 2>but they never turned their head. They just kept walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and they were my age, they were, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we would all be on the floor, Pops in

1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:25.080
<v Speaker 2>his recliner and were watching the news. It ca got

1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:31.480
<v Speaker 2>so bad, and it lasted so long. The mayor of Arkansas,

1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of Little Rock, the governor of Arkansas, and the President

1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:38.639
<v Speaker 2>of the United States said, let those children go to school.

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<v Speaker 6>And WHOA.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to we all wanted to see this on

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<v Speaker 2>the news. That particular day, the kids were walking. They

1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:50.439
<v Speaker 2>get right up to the bus and the policeman put

1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:54.120
<v Speaker 2>his billy club across the door, and Pop said right there,

1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and he said, how why is he doing that? Why

1:08:56.280 --> 1:08:58.840
<v Speaker 2>are they treating him so bad? Yeah, And he wrote

1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:03.080
<v Speaker 2>that song from that that experience. I tell you, we

1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:07.840
<v Speaker 2>have had a baby's sister I have. I have seen

1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:14.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I have seen a lot, and and it

1:09:14.800 --> 1:09:20.599
<v Speaker 2>just makes me more prayerful and more willing to sing

1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:27.040
<v Speaker 2>my songs, you know, because I I don't have to

1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:30.280
<v Speaker 2>sing love. I don't have to be like everybody else.

1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I've seen protest songs. I seem to help us move.

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<v Speaker 1>It forward, moving forward, right, moving it forward right, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're still going.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still on.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I owe it to Pops. I owe it to

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<v Speaker 2>my father.

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to South Africa and these people wanted us

1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:51.160
<v Speaker 2>to sing, want of the black people to be in

1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the balcony Johannesburg and Pops told him. He said, no,

1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna allow my children to sing like he said,

1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Doctor King just got that straightened out in the States,

1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're not gonna sing like that. They said, Now

1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:09.080
<v Speaker 2>you can send us home, do what you got to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not singing like So they moved our show to

1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the soccer field and so waito, wow, it's a wait,

1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:23.040
<v Speaker 2>it's all it's all black. Uh, you know, this is

1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:26.680
<v Speaker 2>where the people live in little match boxes. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was the very first time that blacks and white sit together,

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<v Speaker 2>no kind of I mean that that soccer field was

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<v Speaker 2>backed yeah, and and black and white were sitting right

1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:43.439
<v Speaker 2>next to each other. And but they had these I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen a German shepherd dog so big. The bit

1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the police was walking around with them, you know, I

1:10:51.280 --> 1:10:54.240
<v Speaker 2>guess for just in case something went wrong. But it

1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:59.080
<v Speaker 2>was peaceful. But see, during that time, they wouldn't let

1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:01.320
<v Speaker 2>us go up downtown by ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>That must have been hard to go at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, Yeah, they wouldn't allow it. The kids will

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<v Speaker 2>tell me, maybe we will call you, we will come

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<v Speaker 2>see you. If they call my my my calls would

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<v Speaker 2>go to the white girls room. She would be there

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<v Speaker 2>and she would. She would take us, and she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>let the kids talk to me. They wouldn't let them

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel. That it was very educational, very beautiful

1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:36.400
<v Speaker 2>experience and intense, intense, intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you've been on tour though since the pandemic a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the tour in these little pockets, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really excited to hear that I haven't had all yet.

1:12:00.800 --> 1:12:05.880
<v Speaker 1>What I just haven't not since the the COVID started.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, you know, I'm excited that you're out there

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<v Speaker 1>doing it.

1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm going everywhere you're going and with books

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<v Speaker 2>now going through November.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing a tour with Bonnie Ray the Center.

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<v Speaker 2>I always do it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be my third tour.

1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:25.920
<v Speaker 1>You've known her a long time, right, Oh, yes, she's great.

1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:28.680
<v Speaker 1>You know that's going to be a show, I tell you.

1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's always good show.

1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:33.200
<v Speaker 2>But I used to be tell us of Bonnie. My

1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:37.920
<v Speaker 2>father loved hers so much. You're jealousy, and I told us,

1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I said, look, I didn't know if I should get

1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.280
<v Speaker 2>some red hair, or if I should learn how to

1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:46.639
<v Speaker 2>play to get tired, or if I should get real

1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:51.439
<v Speaker 2>tiny because Pops loved, and she loved. She came to see.

1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:54.800
<v Speaker 2>She came to the house and Seapop when he was sick. Wow,

1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and Bonnie took me so bad. Pops went upstairs. He

1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:02.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't feeling good, and he went upstairs to lie down.

1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:06.320
<v Speaker 2>She followed him. She sit on the bed and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>now nobody can tell me I haven't been in a

1:13:08.760 --> 1:13:09.679
<v Speaker 2>pop stable bed.

1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:15.120
<v Speaker 1>That's Bonnie, Yeah, that's Bonnie.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny, Yeah, it's funny, but it was so good.

1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Made possibeel so much better. He gave her a guitar.

1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:25.400
<v Speaker 2>He had to get there and all of us were there.

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<v Speaker 2>We sang, that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 8>It was it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it something? How music keeps you going? Yes, it

1:13:31.560 --> 1:13:34.519
<v Speaker 1>really keeps. Yes, it keeps you young, It keeps you young,

1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:38.600
<v Speaker 1>keeps and it's healing and it brings joy.

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<v Speaker 2>And right and we can't do without music.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, no way, I get that feeling from you.

1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:46.560
<v Speaker 12>Yeah you know.

1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm passing on. But well, I tell you, yours

1:13:54.680 --> 1:13:57.400
<v Speaker 2>brought me so much. I wish Pops could hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I wish I could play watch him play guitar

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<v Speaker 1>a person.

1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:03.080
<v Speaker 2>You know what he would do. He would tell me

1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:10.639
<v Speaker 2>that's the way. Oh no, that's you know who else.

1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:13.120
<v Speaker 1>You know who else gave me that feeling always was

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<v Speaker 1>Levon Helm.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he gave me that feeling where he just it

1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.880
<v Speaker 1>was just all music and it kept him going and

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, oh man, And I remember the first

1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.840
<v Speaker 1>time I saw you on TV was watching The Weight

1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:35.080
<v Speaker 1>on the Last Walls and I thought, my goodness, she

1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:37.679
<v Speaker 1>is beautiful and she's.

1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:38.479
<v Speaker 6>Smoking all of that.

1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe it. Oh my god.

1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:45.519
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, and you looked six feet tall,

1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and you look so tall, look so tall?

1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:53.639
<v Speaker 2>You do lone black gown?

1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was beautiful.

1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'd heard you singing my whole life, but

1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:00.879
<v Speaker 1>it was the first time I zero it in visually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you had our long friendship with Levon.

1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh lord, yeah, Levon. I have an album coming out

1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:14.200
<v Speaker 2>with Levonne. Wow and and and uh we we did

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<v Speaker 2>it at his barn and he was right next to

1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:19.920
<v Speaker 2>me and with them drums. But but I tell you

1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:23.880
<v Speaker 2>about that when we when we were doing Las Watch,

1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Levonne was smoking and Pops went back to we had

1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:31.200
<v Speaker 2>a break Levon, Pops go back. They were tight buddies.

1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Levon and Pop said, Levon, man, you smoking two cigarettes?

1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:43.000
<v Speaker 2>He had a cigarette and Levonne said, all you gotta

1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:43.800
<v Speaker 2>try this one.

1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were the same.

1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were not the same. Papa said, Levon, man,

1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that mess, but that that Daddy laughed

1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:58.120
<v Speaker 2>about that forever. He laughed about that. But yeah, Levonne,

1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:02.400
<v Speaker 2>that was the best time because we stayed there about

1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:05.360
<v Speaker 2>a week. We you know, we would go back to

1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the bar every day from the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>And making the record. Yeah, so when did you make it?

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<v Speaker 1>About ten years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, yes, because I was going to say, look,

1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:17.040
<v Speaker 2>are you all going to release this record? Am I

1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:20.519
<v Speaker 2>going to be? Didn't gone or what? But yeah, they

1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.519
<v Speaker 2>it's coming I think in May.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a long time.

1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And I love it, you know that he's gone, especially,

1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it'll be so special.

1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:33.639
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And Amy, Amy helped, you know. I told her

1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to tell her about it. I said, Amy, didn't need

1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to release the record. Yeah, you know, we'd end up

1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:47.040
<v Speaker 2>in age and we might leave here me. So she said,

1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:51.840
<v Speaker 2>they got it going good. But yeah, that was that

1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:53.000
<v Speaker 2>was a proud Time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you do what the songs? Did you do with

1:16:55.960 --> 1:16:57.559
<v Speaker 1>leve On? Did you do all old songs?

1:16:57.640 --> 1:16:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Did you do that.

1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Nina Simone version? That's a Billy Taylor song, isn't it.

1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I wish I knew how it would feel to be free?

1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:08.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a Billy Taylor song.

1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:11.479
<v Speaker 1>That's what my my my phone said when I googled it,

1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:15.880
<v Speaker 1>because I mean the Nina version is. But I think

1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it's that Billy Taylor wrote it, really, and I it's

1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:21.400
<v Speaker 1>so funny. I saw him play. Yeah, and when I

1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:24.559
<v Speaker 1>was in high school, and I didn't realize that. Yeah,

1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:28.080
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's a great song. Did you record that

1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:28.679
<v Speaker 1>with Levan?

1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I wish I knew. And and we recorded Trouble

1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.120
<v Speaker 2>in Mine? Oh, I love that one in mine? Yeah,

1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and and uh oh I love some Nina Nina.

1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:40.720
<v Speaker 9>Did you know her?

1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:41.559
<v Speaker 9>Yes?

1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, yes, And she was someone I met whose

1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:49.560
<v Speaker 2>voice was heavier than mine. Yes, and boy she was.

1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I saw her first saw her in the village gate

1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and she had on all white. She was playing that

1:17:57.479 --> 1:18:00.639
<v Speaker 2>piano and and and all of the people.

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<v Speaker 9>Damn.

1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:07.000
<v Speaker 2>She stopped and stood up. Do you people have cotton

1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:10.479
<v Speaker 2>in your ears? Whoa? She told them off because they

1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:16.200
<v Speaker 2>were talking you have cotton in your ears, And I said,

1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:20.760
<v Speaker 2>whoa go on, sister. But yeah, we got to know.

1:18:20.920 --> 1:18:22.479
<v Speaker 2>We got to be very good friends.

1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:23.080
<v Speaker 1>That's great.

1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:25.840
<v Speaker 2>We were in the Bahamas though. Last time I saw

1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:30.120
<v Speaker 2>her we were in the Bahamas, and then she moved

1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:36.800
<v Speaker 2>to New Guinea where Miriam mckibo was and uh, she

1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:42.000
<v Speaker 2>passed away over there. But baby's sister, we were in

1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:45.240
<v Speaker 2>New Guinea, don't you know. These little guys they were

1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:49.400
<v Speaker 2>in the auditorium where we were singing. They wanted to

1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:53.280
<v Speaker 2>have a coup against the president of somebody, oh God.

1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:57.439
<v Speaker 2>And we got to the show and we're standing at

1:18:57.439 --> 1:19:00.720
<v Speaker 2>the door, Pops and my sister and I and this

1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:07.360
<v Speaker 2>man is saying that's all we could understand was you know,

1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and and he was telling them. So they still came

1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in with the guns and they stood on the side

1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:20.519
<v Speaker 2>of the stage in the wings where we were, and

1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.680
<v Speaker 2>as I was singing, I would look over there a

1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:25.799
<v Speaker 2>little bit and it would be just dancing.

1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:28.160
<v Speaker 1>That is crazy.

1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, y'all, don't scared us to death.

1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:35.040
<v Speaker 1>You have gone to some wild times places you've you've

1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:35.400
<v Speaker 1>had it.

1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, So we made it through that one that.

1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I do have one more question, if you feel comfortable

1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about it. Yeah, I was curious about songwriting and

1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the story you told me yesterday. Yeah, that broke my heart.

1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:57.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's been so long ago that I'm I'm

1:19:57.160 --> 1:20:00.760
<v Speaker 2>surprised I even brought it up. I mean, I don't

1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:04.000
<v Speaker 2>know somebody said something about songwriting and but and it

1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:08.439
<v Speaker 2>did this man. You know, I had written my three

1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:15.080
<v Speaker 2>songs and and he was at Stax Records. He wanted

1:20:15.520 --> 1:20:18.679
<v Speaker 2>all of my publishing. And I'm telling him on the phone,

1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:26.200
<v Speaker 2>telling him, no, I'm singing twelve songs on the album.

1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:29.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, you take all that pubblish but mine. My

1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:32.840
<v Speaker 2>father's always taught me I should get one hundred percent

1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:38.080
<v Speaker 2>of my writers and publishing. And that's and he talked

1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to me like, all right, miss Stables, all right, I understand, yes,

1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:45.120
<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll do as you'd like. And I'm thinking

1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I've won. Yeah, the record come out and and it's

1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:58.160
<v Speaker 2>on a different label or something, and uh, it's me singing.

1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:05.040
<v Speaker 2>And then they have songwriter unknown and a song you wrote. Yeah,

1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the songs that I wrote. And I said, well, you know,

1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:13.160
<v Speaker 2>it was so long ago, you know, no need of

1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:17.479
<v Speaker 2>me trying to fix this now. But that broke my heart.

1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And you didn't write after that.

1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I didn't write anymore songs.

1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:23.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's the sad part. But but you still

1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:27.519
<v Speaker 1>make all songs your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's

1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>just you know, that stuff happened so much. Yeah back then.

1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a shame the way people are treated.

1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not just me, you know. I'm sure

1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the record business has.

1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Been tricky, tricky, tricky, tricky, but it was much trickier

1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:50.880
<v Speaker 1>back then.

1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, way back. That was and and and and

1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I was doing stuff. You know, I was afraid because

1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I was these were these were secular songs, and and

1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and you do something secular against the gospel stuff. I

1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:10.519
<v Speaker 2>was lucky. I don't know how it happened. I recorded

1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:13.200
<v Speaker 2>house is not a Home. I recorded a sect and

1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and the church people didn't say nothing about it.

1:22:15.960 --> 1:22:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you you got in trouble for that.

1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I could have got, but they didn't. You know what

1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they messed with I'll take you there. They wanted to

1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:28.120
<v Speaker 2>put us out of church. Wow, they say, the stables

1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:31.599
<v Speaker 2>singers and singing the devil's music. Wow, the devil's music.

1:22:31.800 --> 1:22:34.439
<v Speaker 2>I said, you all. You gotta listen to our lyrics.

1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:38.400
<v Speaker 2>They heard this beat and then the people would jump

1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:41.240
<v Speaker 2>up and dance. And I'll take you there, you know,

1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:46.479
<v Speaker 2>because but up until I'll take you there, we just

1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:50.160
<v Speaker 2>sang with my father's guitar. We didn't have no rhythm section.

1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:53.560
<v Speaker 2>We just sing with dad his guitar. And and but

1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.000
<v Speaker 2>when this rhythm section came on, I'll take you there.

1:22:56.760 --> 1:23:02.559
<v Speaker 2>That look we're telling you, I know a place. Ain't

1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:04.880
<v Speaker 2>nobody crying. I mean, ain't nobody world.

1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>That's a gospel songs.

1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:12.479
<v Speaker 2>I've taken you to Hell? Yeah, I mean and and

1:23:12.560 --> 1:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>lo and behold. After all the interviews we did talking

1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:20.479
<v Speaker 2>to these people, they invited us back to church. We

1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:24.160
<v Speaker 2>go back to church. The first song requested in the

1:23:24.240 --> 1:23:28.519
<v Speaker 2>pool bit I'll take you there. You know what I said.

1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.120
<v Speaker 2>You know you just don't know what to do to

1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:32.519
<v Speaker 2>please people. It's true.

1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:35.519
<v Speaker 1>That's why you gotta just speak your truth, sing your

1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>truth right, and spread some love. Spread love, put out love, yes,

1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:42.880
<v Speaker 1>put it out there, and that's what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna keep on doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>You are my favorite fall of love.

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<v Speaker 2>You, my little sweetheart. I love you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have one more song in you? Or can

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<v Speaker 1>I play? Can I play you a song? And you

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<v Speaker 1>chime in if you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we'll end it.

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<v Speaker 1>We can.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>The the album Pops made the album, uh that song friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, and then Jeff and the crew they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fixed it up right and and recorded all recorded

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<v Speaker 1>like you weren't happy with it, and it never got

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tweety did all that for for Pop's album. That

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<v Speaker 2>was that's his last work, and I wanted it. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to put it out there, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>put it out properly and write.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he re recorded all the stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't happy with right, Yes, he took the tracks

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<v Speaker 1>of Pops and you guys singing, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was so pleased. I come up in here to listen

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<v Speaker 2>and tears just flowed. Yeah. You know, my sister Vaughn

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<v Speaker 2>and I we we came to check it out. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Tweety.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful recording and it's a great song. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a pop song.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's a good song.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really good song. Say watch wrong my longtime friend, Something's.

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<v Speaker 9>Bothering you.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell me what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what I can do.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a times we disagree.

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<v Speaker 9>We agree more than we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't always see I do, but we will more

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<v Speaker 1>than we want this.

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<v Speaker 17>We got friendship, the kind of last life time.

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<v Speaker 2>Through all the timeships. You know you're a friend of mind.

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<v Speaker 17>We got friendship, the kind of last life time.

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<v Speaker 4>Through all thus hardships.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to sing one, Oh burn up.

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<v Speaker 12>Talk to me, oh parle of mine. If you feel

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<v Speaker 12>you can't go home, don't you swept.

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<v Speaker 9>It ain't over yet.

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<v Speaker 2>This spawn with ship y strong.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been a well you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw me through it all. I lean on you

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<v Speaker 2>now you can lean on me. I bet I want

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<v Speaker 2>lady your fall because we got friendship kind of lasts

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<v Speaker 2>a life time through all the hardship. You know you're

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 17>Because we got fast ship, the kind of lasts life time.

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<v Speaker 2>Through all those hardships. You know you're a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on the street, I take your hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Hungry, I'll give you you food.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's money you.

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<v Speaker 2>Need, I got some saved. If you're sick, I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Visit you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with you all right.

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<v Speaker 9>Now you saw me through it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll lean on you now you can lean on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't let you fall because we.

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<v Speaker 4>Got friend ship, the kind of last life time.

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<v Speaker 7>Through all those hardships, you know you a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 17>We got friendship, the kind of last life time.

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<v Speaker 4>Through all those hors.

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<v Speaker 2>Ships, poor you know you're a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 5>Through all the hard ships.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're a friend of mine, through all the

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<v Speaker 2>hard shops, you know you're a friend o mine. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to fight. That came from Crime Girl. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that song and I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for thanks for talking with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy. I'm so happy you invited me. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never done one of these. What do you call it

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast? Well, I'm honored that you joined me. Thank you, babes.

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<v Speaker 1>You are loved by all who know you ask for

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<v Speaker 1>everything always, I hope, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just playing alone, Thanks for listening to the show that

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<v Speaker 1>was made for Staple.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a fun way.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want her to call me and tell me

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<v Speaker 3>everything's going to be okay. I believe her. We should

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<v Speaker 3>just call her.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, can you tell me everything's gonna be okay. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure she probably needs to hear it too. Sometimes it's true, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, she is not alone. In fact, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>wrap this up so we can go call her. How

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<v Speaker 1>much thanks for listening to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Our show was recorded by Mark Greenberg at The Loft

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, mixed by Jamie Landry and additional engineering by

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Toebler, produced by Me and Sarah Oda Sarah Oda,

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<v Speaker 1>and photography by Shervin Linnez. Artwork by Eliza Fry. Additional

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<v Speaker 1>recording by Matt Marinelli, Audio post production and mastering by

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Tobler. Executive producers Aaron wan Kaufman and Jordan Runtog,

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<v Speaker 1>Marketing lead Alison Kantre Greeber.

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<v Speaker 2>See you Later,