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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: So you know it was a good summer vacation. When

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Speaker 2: in the blank, you know summer vacation was a success.

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Speaker 2: I'll start when you can barely remember your work log

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Speaker 2: in upon return, I consider that a success when it

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Speaker 2: comes to summer vacation. When it gives me pause, Wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, what was my log in exactly to gain

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Speaker 2: entry into my work computer?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to go for the low hanging fruit

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Speaker 3: of Paullen.

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Speaker 2: Technology or like, wow, okay, I thought maybe we'd ease

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Speaker 2: into the personal insults.

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Speaker 3: But that was me easy.

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Speaker 2: But right off the top here on Cargo's Underground, do

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Speaker 2: you really forget your log in a little bit, a

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Speaker 2: little bit? Yeah, you know the whole Well, it's the

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Speaker 2: whole multi factor authentication log in. You know, thirteen different

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Speaker 3: INAS don't have anybody hacking Darren's mail bag.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing with Darren on the password. I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna guess what's kind of a tell is never, if

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Speaker 2: you're trying to hack into Darren's computer use an exclamation point.

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Speaker 2: Because Karen doesn't use them. He's anti exclamation point. It's

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Speaker 2: it's really it's agreedious in so many different ways, and

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Speaker 4: Which is why you shouldn't use them.

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Speaker 2: No, you've been a anti exclamation point for too long. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: we'd like to see you make strides in that area.

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Speaker 4: I you know what, I won't.

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Speaker 2: Not at this point in your life.

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Speaker 4: You know you won't and when you when you, when

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Speaker 4: you're a journalist, you really you're not. I mean, come.

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Speaker 2: On, well, Darren is back unmistakably so, even though we

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Speaker 2: hinted that maybe Roy Green would replace Darren at the

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Speaker 2: end of the last Cardinals Underground, great Roy Green, and

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Speaker 2: it was a pleasure to talk ball with Roy once again.

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Speaker 2: And we look forward to talking to Roy all season

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Speaker 2: long because the season is right around the corner, is

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Speaker 2: it not? And Dan, you said you were getting ready

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Speaker 2: for the season. And by the way, no soft tissue

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Speaker 2: injuries here on the podcast. Okay, go easy, we don't

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Speaker 2: want any soft tissue injuries right out of the gate here.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Danny, since you're a fan of the Netflix

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Speaker 2: series Receiver, at least you've been following it. It's title,

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Speaker 2: What is the title? Exactly? Receivers the title? No, the

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be really innovative and come out with

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Speaker 2: content like this where it's just labeled podcast? Maybe we

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Speaker 4: I thought, I see. I thought he was going to say,

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Speaker 4: when's next year? Can we have punter?

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Speaker 4: Rebranding right now, maybe podcast is the way to go.

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Speaker 2: The fact you haven't done an off season feature on

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I already did long snappers. That was

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Speaker 2: You still choose See, that's a good sign. I think

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the latest Cardinals flight plan has

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Speaker 2: so you go to YouTube dot com slash Easycardinals all

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Speaker 2: Where'd you go, Darren? By the way, do you post

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Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, you're gonna make a TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Of them from the hotel weight room. Did you post

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Speaker 4: No, we stayed at the hotel we were in Dublin,

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Speaker 4: And didn't have an exercise room in The rooms were

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Speaker 4: That is part of it. Yes, But we got to

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Speaker 4: fine time. I did not miss work at all, no offense.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do any big trips this offseason. I went

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Speaker 2: I'm really proud of myself because I actually got in

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Speaker 4: So you went swimming in key West, Key.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of factors that go into that.

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Speaker 4: I do want to say, like I know, a couple

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Speaker 2: And I think it's logical to rationalize that. You know what,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he valued that more because he didn't have that

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Speaker 3: This is also year six for Kyler. Maybe he's looking

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Speaker 2: What's interesting too, is you went into the break and

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Speaker 4: He did, and and I think we've talked all along.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't end with him, but it starts with him, and

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter what the culture is and what

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Speaker 2: So is this Cardinals offense underrated? Right now? Din Kyler

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that because this was

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I saw there was a

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Speaker 4: right for me to sit there and raise my eyebrow,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like this offensive line is, assuming they

438
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Speaker 4: stay healthy, is in a decent place, especially with the

439
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Speaker 4: way they play.

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Speaker 2: That narrative goes back at least two years, maybe three.

441
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Speaker 2: The Cardinals' issues are the offensive line. That has not

442
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Speaker 2: been the case. Now. I've been fond of saying over

443
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Speaker 2: the years, you show me a team with a bad

444
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Speaker 2: old line, I'll show you a bad team. But there

445
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: are other ways you can have a poor record. That

446
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: was not the reason the Cardinals were a four win

447
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 2: team last year. It wasn't the O line.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean, again, there was a

449
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Speaker 4: lot of stuff that went into last year. I think

450
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Speaker 4: last year Nick Rolis did an amazing job with the

451
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Speaker 4: defense with what they had. But I think we all

452
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Speaker 4: agreed going into the season, and I think it kind

453
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Speaker 4: of played out. They just didn't have the personnel on defense.

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Speaker 4: I think, all due respect to Joshua Dobbs, until Kyler

455
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Speaker 4: came back, you were going to struggle. I mean, we

456
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Speaker 4: just got to talking about how important the quarterback is.

457
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Speaker 4: You know, Joshua Dobbs should be a backup quarterback. He

458
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Speaker 4: shouldn't be starting for half a season. I mean, there

459
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Speaker 4: was a lot that went into it, and I just

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Speaker 4: I look at what happened down the stretch and the

461
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Speaker 4: way they were able to do things offensively. No, I

462
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Speaker 4: would not say the offensive line was an issue.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have a top five run game,

464
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Speaker 2: do you have a bad offensive line? If you are

465
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Speaker 2: number two in the NFL in yards per carry, do

466
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Speaker 2: you have a bad offensive line. Those don't seem to

467
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Speaker 2: really gel. Right, that's not feasible that you can lead

468
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Speaker 2: the NFL in twenty plus yard runs from scrimmage and

469
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Speaker 2: you have the thirtieth ranked offensive line. So all right,

470
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Speaker 2: let's take that and go from there. So if the

471
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Speaker 2: Cardinals offense dar we say might be underrated, think about it.

472
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Speaker 2: You had a top five run game. Plus you've added

473
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Speaker 2: a one to two punch in the run game if

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Speaker 2: Trey Benson is that guy. You've added a stud blocking

475
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Speaker 2: tight end. You think in tip Ryman, you have added

476
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Speaker 2: a former first round pick eleventh overall at right tackle

477
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Speaker 2: on Jonah Williams, who actually fared better at right tackle

478
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Speaker 2: by most of the analytics than he had his entire

479
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Speaker 2: career at left tackle during his Cincinnati career. And then

480
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Speaker 2: if you can find an answer at left guard, which

481
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Speaker 2: I would say was the one liability last year on

482
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Speaker 2: the offensive line, left guard. My bike count I got

483
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Speaker 2: nine dudes competing for left guard at this point.

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Speaker 4: Are you one of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna ignore that, Darren, because that seems to

486
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Speaker 2: suggest that I'm remissing me. Counting up the nine guys

487
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Speaker 2: you want him, here we go, Evan Brown, Isaiah Adams,

488
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Speaker 2: Elijah Wilkinson, Tristan Cologne, Dennis Daily, Marquise Hays, Big Mo,

489
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Speaker 2: Carter O'donald, Keith Ismail, and John Gains, Danny anything on

490
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Speaker 2: the John Gaines update desk front No, okay, all right,

491
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Speaker 2: just want to make sure.

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Speaker 4: Can we start the twitter feed? Is John gains practicing? Yes?

493
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Speaker 4: And he'll be just yes or no every day.

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Speaker 2: Here's what we need to do. Everybody takes a left

495
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Speaker 2: guard and then we see how this goes through August.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm taking Marquise Hayes, Big Mo.

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised you're taking Marcuse Hayes.

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Speaker 2: Danny obviously is taking John Gains. Darren. They it's your

499
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Speaker 2: choice now of the seven remaining left guard, So you

500
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Speaker 2: are stupid not.

501
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Speaker 4: To take Evan Brown.

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Speaker 3: I think John Gaines's gonna be a backup center. I've

503
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Speaker 3: never put him at left fall.

504
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Speaker 4: With all due respect to John Gaines, he needs to

505
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Speaker 4: get on the field. Before he can do anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm not John Gaines.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay. So now that I've distracted myself, If indeed

508
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Speaker 2: you have a one two punch at running back, if

509
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Speaker 2: indeed you can fix at least have a feasible, serviceable

510
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: left guard as opposed to last year, then you have

511
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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray with the entire offseason, plus you've given him

512
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Speaker 2: wide receiver one best case scenario, You've given him Justin

513
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Speaker 2: Jefferson or Jamar Chase as a rookie, and then Michael

514
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Speaker 2: Wilson takes that step. Greg Dortch, we've got rave reviews

515
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, is that slot receiver you've been

516
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: waiting to happen. I'm like Andy Isabelle and Rondell Moore.

517
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Speaker 2: Now if Greg Dortch is that guy, Okay, wait a minute.

518
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Maybe people are sleeping on Cardinals offense. And if the

519
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: defense is still work in progress and they're still maturing

520
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: and evolving over the core first half of the season

521
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Speaker 2: where you're trying to incorporate some young playmakers like Darius Robinson,

522
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: Max Melton, et cetera, maybe this offense can carry the

523
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Speaker 2: Cardinals still winning record.

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Speaker 3: It's impressive to me that you can go through every

525
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: offensive position, and I don't think you could argue that

526
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals haven't elevated in some sense of the word.

527
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Speaker 3: I think if you go across the offensive line, moving

528
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: Parish from right to left and bringing in Jonah Williams,

529
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Speaker 3: bringing in Evan Brown as your left guard, who is

530
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Speaker 3: supposedly the strongest offensive lineman in the weight room.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if I miss something, was Evan Brown

532
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Speaker 2: named the starting left guard? Because you guys are talking

533
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: like Evan Brown's and I don't I guess.

534
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Speaker 4: For me, I think, and Danny you can disagree with.

535
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Speaker 4: For me, it's more about like a process of elimination

536
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Speaker 4: at this point.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you reverse engineered it.

538
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Speaker 4: I just I'm I'm struggling. Like you mentioned how much

539
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 4: it was a struggle last year with the guys that

540
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Speaker 4: were around. I mean, like, what new people did they

541
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Speaker 4: bring in besides Evan Brown? And I'm just wondering if

542
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Speaker 4: if you thought the guys that were doing it last

543
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: year were the guys, they probably wouldn't have brought in

544
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Speaker 4: Evan Brown, you know what I'm saying.

545
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Speaker 3: Also, all the fellow offensive linemen talking about him and

546
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Speaker 3: going on trips with him just kind of makes it

547
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: feel like the five how strong he is? Right, five

548
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: of them have already connected.

549
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the World's Strongest Man competition, Magnus for

550
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: Evan Brown would win. There's there's no doubt about that.

551
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Speaker 2: What about Isaiah Adams? Are we just writing off the

552
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: third round pick out Illinois?

553
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: See here's the thing about Isaiah Adams for me, is

554
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Speaker 4: I could see him starting there. I just don't know

555
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Speaker 4: if I see him starting there in week one, Like

556
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Speaker 4: I don't other than Marvin Harrison, maybe Max Melton and

557
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Speaker 4: maybe Darius Robinson, I don't know if I see rookies

558
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: starting right out of the box with the way they

559
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Speaker 4: have the roster constructed.

560
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Speaker 2: All right, so beyond the punter and the left guard

561
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Speaker 2: competition in camp. Also, you guys looking forward to in

562
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: particular once Cardinals.

563
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: Camp commencement for a position battle.

564
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Speaker 2: Anything, Yeah, position battle maybe a particular player. By the way,

565
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: the first open practice Thursday, July twenty fifth, If I'm

566
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: seeing that correctly, Just to let everyone.

567
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, position battles got to be cornerback.

568
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: There's a dozen corners on this roster right now. So

569
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Speaker 2: Sean Murphy, Bunting, Garrett Williams and then to be determined.

570
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Speaker 3: Well, right, I mean to me, this is still Starling

571
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Speaker 3: Thomas's starting position to lose and what seems like it

572
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: would be to Max Meltin as your high draft pick.

573
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: Anything can happen. I mean, we've seen that. Now. Last

574
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Speaker 3: year was a little bit of a different situation of

575
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Speaker 3: front office and coaching staff changing and coming in kind

576
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Speaker 3: of with what was already there for you and having

577
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Speaker 3: to go in that route. So it's different in that sense.

578
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Speaker 3: But I do expect to see a lot of competition

579
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Speaker 3: at the cornerback and seeing a lot of different pairings

580
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Speaker 3: out there there for them to get a feel of what.

581
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Speaker 4: They like see. For me, it's not a battle. But

582
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: if you're talking about what I'm looking forward to, because

583
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 4: for multiple reasons, it's Marvin Harrison Junior. Like we didn't

584
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: get to really, we didn't get to report on him

585
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 4: during the off season, and even if we would have,

586
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: he wasn't. He was doing some stuff like I want

587
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: to say, we're gonna and and he was far away

588
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Speaker 4: from where we get to stay. Yeah, whereas as the

589
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Speaker 4: practices at stay from stadium, We're gonna be a lot closer.

590
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Speaker 4: We're gonna get a lot better look at him. There's

591
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Speaker 4: gonna be plays being wrung. Like I'm looking forward, it's

592
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Speaker 4: just what that looks like.

593
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Speaker 2: The biggest headline the off season was the very last

594
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Speaker 2: workout and he was first in line in the receiver drills.

595
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Speaker 2: Basically was the biggest headline we could report just based

596
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Speaker 2: on the way the off season went. So I would

597
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: agree with that, no question. I mean there are other

598
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Speaker 2: things though, that I'm looking forward to seeing, like you know,

599
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Speaker 2: Tip Ryman, Yeah, in the tight end outside linebacker, you know, competition,

600
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: full contact, full pads. Here we go, you know there

601
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: will be blood. Let's see how he fares.

602
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Speaker 4: I do want to see kind of where Darius Robinson

603
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: fits in, both in terms of how they use him

604
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Speaker 4: and where he is in the depth chart. Yep.

605
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Speaker 3: I kind of want to see a faster pace with

606
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Speaker 3: some bads on from Blall Nichols and Justin Jones on

607
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Speaker 3: that d line.

608
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

609
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: Sure, I feel like that's gonna be pretty nasty.

610
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Speaker 4: Well wait, don't forget. We're gonna have to wait like

611
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: five days before we get that.

612
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Speaker 2: And then L. J. Collier, who we haven't seen since

613
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Speaker 2: Week one of last year. You know, supposedly, you know, we.

614
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Speaker 4: Talk about the cornerback situation and how many there's gonna

615
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: be a couple guys on the defensive line that are

616
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Speaker 4: really fighting for and there's gonna be a name or

617
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: two a veteran, I don't know about a name, but

618
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: a veteran or two that are not going to have

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Speaker 4: a spot on that team, on that fifty three man roster,

620
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 4: maybe the practice squad, but they're not going to make

621
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Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster because there's just not gonna

622
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Speaker 4: be enough space.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're a legit half dozen deep a defensive line.

624
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Speaker 2: Justin Jones, Ballall Nichols, l J. Collier, Darius rob Soon,

625
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Roy Lopez, Dante Stills, Kyrie's toga, Kyrie's toga, and Dante

626
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Stills might just be the poly Pigskin breakout player a camp.

627
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: We'll see about that. I'm still weighing a few names here.

628
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: So who are the training camp He definitely won the

629
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Speaker 2: off season.

630
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Speaker 3: Dante still on the list though you had like eleven

631
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Speaker 3: players this year.

632
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Speaker 4: I got a quick question on the rules of this,

633
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Speaker 4: like do you have to announce this before report day?

634
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: Like is it? Are we when we record next week

635
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Speaker 4: which is technically report day? Are you gonna be able

636
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: to announce that or are you allowed to see a

637
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: little bit of the of the early practices.

638
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Speaker 2: Well, it's varied based on the circumstances of that year

639
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: and whether I really needed to buy myself some more

640
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Speaker 2: time or not, depending on whether the sources have been

641
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: able to report as And usually it's before the first

642
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Speaker 2: full pad full contact.

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Speaker 4: So you have like four or five days.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes.

645
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Speaker 3: What's the over under of how many players are going

646
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Speaker 3: to be on this line? Like over under eleven players, Darren?

647
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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you, Danny, you let me know what

648
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: I should cap it at.

649
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: Okay, all I want him to do is multiple jo

650
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Speaker 4: it down to three by the time we get to Indianapolis.

651
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: Remember, it always ends up being one offense and one defense.

652
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: The other noise you guys generate, there will be one

653
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Speaker 2: offense and one defense. Here's someone else I'm looking forward

654
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: to seeing in person. I call him the Man of Mystery,

655
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson Senior.

656
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good one.

657
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: Who is Mac Wilson?

658
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: He's kind of really been under the radar, hasn't he.

659
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: What is Mac Wilson? And where will mac Wilson play

660
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: Kyle Vandenbosch still talks about his pass rushing tape off

661
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: the edge late last season for New England is legit.

662
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: When I interviewed Mac after he signed here early in

663
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: the offseason, I had asked him about his ability to

664
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: play all over. He just told me, I'm an athlete.

665
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm a football player. That that's the position I play

666
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: is I'm a football player.

667
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a man, he's forty yeah. Yeah, forget that's

668
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: a Mike Undie reference for those who him and Kaizer

669
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: White just before and after the Cardinals defense last year.

670
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: I did not like after Kaizer White suffered the season

671
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: and injury.

672
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: Has the potential to be like another boota JT.

673
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: Sure that duo, yep so? And then you know what?

674
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: How many times did the Cardinals defense get victimized by

675
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: the tight end or the running back? And mac Wilson

676
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: in coverage that's supposed to be a strong suit the

677
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: analytics and all the stats and him coverage.

678
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: Are you telling us that you're rushing in the passer

679
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: or are you seeing coverage? Paul, make up your mind.

680
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Once again, man in mystery, how is Nick Roles going

681
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: to use him. If I was here for the press conference,

682
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: that would have been my question, what is the role?

683
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: So the real training camp battle is actually going to

684
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: be between defensive lineman Dante Stills in linebacker Mac Wilson

685
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: to be the final defensive player on Paul's list.

686
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: Then again, if you want for the third level of

687
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: the defense. The receivers were talking at the end of

688
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: the off season activities that Max Melton is a dude.

689
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Max Melton, So we'll see. I'm not so sure, you know.

690
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: I know you're on the Starling Thomas side, Danny, but

691
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: I'll match and see you with Max Melton. At this point.

692
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: To me, they're pretty even. I just I see this

693
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: as Starling Thomas's position to lose. That's how I see it,

694
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: as opposed to Melton just coming in and this is

695
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: his position and start. I mean, obviously everybody's fighting for

696
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: their role, and especially for a starting role at that

697
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: That's just how I see it. If you've got a

698
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: player who was a starter last year, it's his to lose.

699
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: So you guys were forgetting about the one player that

700
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: Dennis Gardak identified at the end of his press conference

701
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: last week.

702
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 4: Here for the press conference, so I wouldn't know.

703
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: So at the very end, the question was, is there

704
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: a player under the radar or a breakout player that

705
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: you see really emerging in camp?

706
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: And then he said, I need a couple of days

707
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: of practices to let you.

708
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: Know, because he's actually in the room with this player

709
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: and actually is around him on a daily basis all

710
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: day long. He immediately named bj Ojelari and followed by saying,

711
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: and I quote because I wrote it down right here,

712
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a really special player.

713
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: End quote Dennis Gardek, I'm bj Ojalaari and as Kyle

714
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Vanibascha on the Red Sea Report this week. Okay, considering

715
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: you've played the position and you got after a quarterback

716
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: for a living, can you tell early in a camp

717
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: whether a bjo Jalari has truly taken that step and

718
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: is ready to have a breakout season. He said, to

719
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: certain degree, you always need game action, But he said,

720
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: to a certain degree, you can tell. You know, how

721
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: is his first step, how are some of his moves,

722
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: his counter moves, and the O line, D line? You

723
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: know what sort of headache is he for the O line?

724
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Just to keep up with his athleticism and his speed.

725
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: And then of course Nick rolis talking just last week

726
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: about how he challenged Bjo Glari to be better against

727
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: the run, to work on his pad level, setting the edge.

728
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: He's put on ten good pounds according to bj himself.

729
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: So intriguing, you know, because his college he was right

730
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: behind you. There was Will Anderson, and then there was

731
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: BJ o'jelai, and there was everyone else in that draft class.

732
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: And we know what Will Anderson did a year ago

733
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: for Houston. He didn't have a ton of sax, he

734
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: had only seven, but he had sixty seven pressures, which

735
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: was among the league leaders, and he ended up in

736
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. If BG o jeli could just be

737
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: a factor, right, just be a guy that an opposing

738
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator has to account for. If the Cardinals can

739
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: just come up with that dude as a pass rusher,

740
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: I think that would go such a long way for

741
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: this defense.

742
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: And you gotta hope the moves you made on the

743
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: d line are gonna allow your pass rushers to to

744
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: really get after the quarterback be a little more productive.

745
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: No doubt. So I'm trying to think what else you

746
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: know you're looking forward to seeing you coming out to

747
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: an open practice you know.

748
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: He's who's gonna fight. We know JG is a no

749
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: fighting rule. So I think here's a chance we don't

750
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: see any fights at least maybe to Lindy.

751
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Okay. So Kyle Vanabasch did say in an early edition

752
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: to Red Sea Report when he heard about tip rime,

753
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: and he said, yeah, me and him, we would there

754
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: would be blows. There would be blow you know. And

755
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: I said, what, like how many how many times would

756
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: you guys fight? You know, like three times? He said,

757
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: in camp or every day? That was kvb's response.

758
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 4: Did you did you ask Kyle about when Leonard Davis

759
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: broke his finger on his helmet when they fought.

760
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: I did not.

761
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: I have I have a player, and we talk a

762
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: lot about line of scrimmage, and I think I'm set

763
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: on who my player might be.

764
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: Okay, for your player, for what your breakout player.

765
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: No, if we're if someone's going to get into a

766
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: little tusshole.

767
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: Oh, if you say mohyes, you have to leave the podcast.

768
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. That's Paul's player, Greg Dorch. Greg Doorge has

769
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: got that chip on his shoulder. His name's been in

770
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: positive ways mentioned all off season. And I think really

771
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: trying to step into this role and having a little

772
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: fire in his gut. I I can see him getting

773
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: a little tussle with maybe a I'm a mac Wilson

774
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 3: or so, I don't I don't know yet.

775
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Will Hernandez versus Justin Jones. Just just

776
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: Justin Jones has a little bit of a I mean,

777
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: he's been great when he's talked to us, but you

778
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: can tell there's there's a little there there. And we

779
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: all know Will Hernandez.

780
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Will Hernandez Refrigerator was a week into his

781
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: first camp with the Cardinals and he actually initiated a

782
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: fight wait for it, with JJ Watt. And I'll tweet

783
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: out the video if I have to, because I do

784
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: have the aftermath of that fight still on my phone stick.

785
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 4: So I remember because Hernandez hit why and what wasn't

786
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: looking and what went down? And Watt jumped up and

787
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: took a run at him and hit him full speed

788
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: and Will Hernandez didn't move, and I as soon as

789
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 4: I saw it, I'm like, oh man.

790
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: Well, Darius Robinson remember his answer recently to the media

791
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: was have you had a welcome to the NFL moment yet?

792
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: And his answer was yes, the grip strength of Will Hernandez,

793
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: which I've never quite heard before, to the point where

794
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: he asked Will, like, Okay, where do you get this

795
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: ridiculous grip strength? And then Will said something about his

796
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: dad worked construction. He used to help his dad as

797
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: a kid, and it was sort of the old Jerry

798
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: Rice where his dad was a bricklayer and a mason

799
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: and they would work together in the summer and his

800
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: dad would drop bricks down to Jerry Rice and if

801
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: you drop it, that costs us money. That's coming out

802
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: of your paycheck. So Jerry Rice always attributed his hands

803
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: to catching bricks.

804
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: When you if you remember the great Rodney Gunter.

805
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Delaware State.

806
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: And they used to talk about how he was country strong.

807
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: Will Hernandez his country strong, like I think he came

808
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: out of the wound. Yeah, as the refrigerator.

809
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: I just let that hang for one moment there, with.

810
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 4: All due respect to his mom.

811
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: Trey McBride has been a source of content and most

812
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: recently on the Adam Shefter podcast right as of this week,

813
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: and he had the comments about Marvin Ayerson Junior and

814
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: just raving about him and the guy his side shouldn't

815
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: be able to run routes like that and have that

816
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: sort of athleticism. So that's Michael Wilson and Trey McBride

817
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: who have given unbelievable glowing reviews of Marvin Harrison Junior.

818
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Following up on Darren's answer that hey, let's not bury

819
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: the lead. We're in camp. Everyone's watching number eighteen.

820
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's going to be exciting to see again, of

821
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: we didn't really see much through this point in the

822
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: offseason because you can't. There are rules for a reason

823
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: and for player safety. So training camp more so, when

824
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: it's those high days and there in pads, that's going

825
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: to be our first, our first look, and I think

826
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: it's gonna be exciting.

827
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: Well, and let's also face it two with love Paris Johnson,

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 4: but when he's your first round pick, there's only so

829
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: much you can go watch, right when he comes to

830
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: training camp. And you know, in the year before, the

831
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: Cardinals didn't even have a first round pick because of

832
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: the Hollywood Brown So like, it's been a few years

833
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: since you had like, ooh, a skill guy who's like

834
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: really gonna to do I mean, I think we all watched, well,

835
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: we didn't all watch. When Isaiah Simmons was drafted, there

836
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: was nobody at training camp because it was covid Xavin Collins.

837
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: Isn't that really athletic freak that everybody is watching for?

838
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: And then you had the Hollywood bound trade, so like

839
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: it also gives you, like this first round pick, You're like, oh, okay.

840
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 2: If you've been around football for a while, you realize

841
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: the importance of the old line. And when a team

842
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: drafts an old lineman in the first round, you applaud

843
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: because you know how critical that is. You know who

844
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: doesn't applaud the social media team because it's very tough

845
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: to post video of an offensive lineman. Oh look at

846
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: this pass set, Oh look at this great tandem block. No,

847
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: but if you have a Marvin Arrison junior, guess what

848
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: good video?

849
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: Or or even like Darius Robinson is a first round pick,

850
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, well you gotta find him in the

851
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 4: middle of that scrum right there, he made this great move.

852
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: From where we are, we can't really show it to

853
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 4: you because there's bodies.

854
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: Speaking of Isaiah Simmons. Have either of y'all watched Hard

855
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: Knock so far?

856
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: Oh? Was he in it?

857
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's with the Giants. No, the only thing they

858
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 3: had talked about. It was like literally a two second

859
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: of where we go They're talking about, you know, obviously

860
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: building the team this offseason, and where were we going to

861
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: play Isaiah Simmons in the defense, And that was like

862
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: literally it was like one question. It was in the

863
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: first episode. I think there's right now two or three.

864
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: I've only watched the first one with the Giants, and

865
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: I am kind of intrigued because I think the episode

866
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: I haven't watched is out yet in terms of handling

867
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: everything with Saquan.

868
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: So does that validate my nickname Isaiah Simmons? Does that

869
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: validate my nickname? Are you ready to do it and

870
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: admit it at this point? By the way, this Receiver

871
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: Netflix series I'm on Ross Saint Brown is fluent in

872
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: German and French.

873
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Yes, his mom is German, only spoke to her sons

874
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 3: in German growing up so that they would be fluent,

875
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: and he went to French school. So he's fluent in

876
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: three languages. And his dad was like, mister universe or

877
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: missed something like two or three times like an insane bodybuilder.

878
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, No, I can see why he got selected

879
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: for the Netflix series. Note about that, Okay, all right,

880
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I'll throw out one more name that I'm looking forward

881
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: to seeing in camp. Shouldn't be a story. I don't

882
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: anticipate it to be a story.

883
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: But he's gonna spark the flame right now.

884
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: Sean Murphy Bunting only because the Tennessee Titans. The one

885
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: conundrum I have, it's a little vexing a little bit,

886
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: is the Tennessee Titans needed corners and they didn't retain

887
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Sean Murphy Bunting. Cardinals really valued him JG. He's a

888
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: JG guy. JG HadAM really highly rated going back to

889
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: when JG was coaching the position. The two of them

890
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: are a similar mindset. He's definitely all ball. Nick Rowlis

891
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: told a funny story out Sean Murphy Bunting is a

892
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: dude who's in his office at six am in the

893
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: off season. Get out of here. What are you doing?

894
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: But I want to see it. I'm curious to see

895
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: what he looks like, especially as that outside corner, because

896
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: he really ex selled as a nickel and slot corner

897
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: in Tampa, and there's various reports as to how he

898
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: played in Tennessee last year outside and I.

899
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: Think it's a fair thing, although I kind of I

900
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: think of it's a little bit different of a situation,

901
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: But I think of when you were talking about Mac

902
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: Wilson the same thing, Like, here's a guy that not

903
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: a lot of people know about, played in a Belichick

904
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: defense that did some things and people liked what he did,

905
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: but it was nothing flashy. But maybe in this defense

906
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: everything changes because it's just a better fit and I

907
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 4: find it. We've talked about this before. Jonathan Gannon is

908
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 4: a defensive backs guy. If there's any position that I

909
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 4: really not that I wouldn't trust him to look at

910
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: other positions and analyze other positions. If there's any position

911
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 4: that I would be all in on Jonathan Gannon knowing

912
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: what he's looking for, it's defensive back. And so if

913
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 4: Sean Murphy bunting he was that high on him, I

914
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: have some confidence there.

915
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Look, it's a position that we talk about pass rusher

916
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: and just finding that guy. If you have cornerback one,

917
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: it's invaluable to any defensive coordinator. You can start every

918
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: game plan with, Okay, here's my top corner against your

919
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: top receiver. Now you might not have that against Buffalo

920
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: in Week one, because who is their top receiver right now?

921
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: And Stefan Diggs exited. But remember back in the days

922
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: of Patrick Peterson, what a luxury when he was at

923
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: his all pro best to be able to put him

924
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: against you know, whether it's Puka Nakua or Cooper Cup,

925
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, when he's winning Offensive Player of the Year,

926
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: just to have that guy the rest of the dye.

927
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: Are we sure that that's what they want Bunting to be?

928
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that exceeds that's just an unreal realistic expectation.

929
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 4: Like if they just think, okay, if we have let's

930
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 4: just say, first arguments sake, Max Mountain wins the other job,

931
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: and you have Max Mountain and Sean Murphy Bunning and

932
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: we feel like we have two solid guys. Right, Maybe

933
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: not a number one per se, but we have two

934
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 4: solid guys.

935
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: But maybe you're not saying, hey, travel and shadow the

936
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: number one one. You're still playing a lot of his own. Yes, okay,

937
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: all right, I get it.

938
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: I mean that's a guess.

939
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's worthwhile. By the way, it's never too

940
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: early to talk about Buffalo in week one, just to

941
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: let you know. Joe Brady their offensive coordinator after they

942
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: fired Ken Dorsey. The middle of last season, Joe Brady

943
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: was elevated. He was a play caller. So now he's

944
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: had his first off season. He was on a podcast

945
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: this past week just talking about his charge with Josh

946
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: Allen was you don't have to play hero ball every snap.

947
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: You make a lot of ridiculous plays and maybe only

948
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: you can make in some ways, but you don't have

949
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: to do that all the time. So my responsibility is

950
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: to put an offense around you where when it happens,

951
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: it happens, but you don't have to feel like you

952
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: force it. And I was reminded, sort of reminded me

953
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: a little bit Kyler Murray what Kyler Murray said recently

954
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: just about the difference with Drew Petzing, who he recently

955
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: called a genius, versus the previous offense and how too

956
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: often they were looking at him to be the reader

957
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: of everything.

958
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: See, I thought you were going to say, it's never

959
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 4: too early to think about next year's vacation, all right.

960
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: So it's a process for Darren to get out of

961
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: vacation mode and easing the football mode. So so we.

962
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: Did you end up getting logged into your computer?

963
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Well, luckily I have two computers. So the second one

964
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: is is still it's still need to scale that mountain

965
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: at this point, so we'll make that happen.

966
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you gonnatch flight plan?

967
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: Danny? There's there's a lot of change you know, there's

968
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: been a lot of change over the last years as

969
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: we talked about, right, I mean on the football side

970
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: and beyond.

971
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: Well beyond, so you know, well we record next week,

972
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: We're we're just gonna be on the right on the

973
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: precipice of training camp.

974
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, it's uh.

975
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: I remember to bring blankets because the where we record

976
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: at the stadium for training camp is an ice box,

977
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: and we'll.

978
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: Be able to see you in the blankets because we're

979
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: going to continue to get right.

980
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: By the way, I'll leave you with a few things

981
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: I learned while and you're ready for this, I'll give

982
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: you a rapid fire.

983
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 4: Got it.

984
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: I learned the meaning of the word biodynamic. I ran

985
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: into it was at this farmer's market kind of doubled

986
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: as a bohemian hippie festival. Where was this and this

987
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: was in Santa Cruz, California, and they had a biodynamic

988
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: herb stand I promptly and I sent it to a wolf.

989
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: I said, you meet and potatoes guy. What can I

990
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: order you wolf? From the Biodynamic Herb stand. So there

991
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: was that. I also learned that Doctor Phil still has

992
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: a show. While I was on vacation, I saw that

993
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: in one of the screens. I learned that they make

994
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: a barbecue sauce that's infused with energy drink. Are you

995
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: guys aware of this? Yeah, yikes, didn't really. We went

996
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: out to the Everglades. While in Florida, I learned that

997
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: the Burmese python is now the king of the jungle

998
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: in the Everglades. It's no longer the alligator. That they

999
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: recently found a nineteen foot Burmese python that had ingested

1000
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: a five foot alligator. I learned about that Florida me

1001
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 2: the he Begbis. I learned that my eighty plus year

1002
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: old parents, who still get the newspaper every morning. You

1003
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: know what they do. They look at the weather page

1004
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: listing involved like the top fifty country, you know, the

1005
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: old school weather page, and they have the high temperatures

1006
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: around the world on a daily basis. They compare Phoenix

1007
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: to Bagdad and they think it's entertaining, that's cute. And

1008
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: while we were there, Phoenix had top bag dad like

1009
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: nine out of eleven days in high temperature in case

1010
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: you were scoring at home. So there you go.

1011
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: I would say that, and I kind of had an

1012
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 4: idea about this, But what I learned was when you're

1013
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: in Ireland and particularly Scotland from about oh, I don't know,

1014
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 4: twelve hundred to sixteen fifty, that's a miserable ass existence.

1015
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 4: You were either like try not to die or try

1016
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: not to get a disease or getting overthrown. Even if

1017
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: you are a power player man, it was not a

1018
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: good thing.

1019
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: And what Dennis Gardak calls the separation season right competition

1020
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: season in camp, Yes, the fight for fifty three. We'll

1021
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: just try and draw that analogy and leave it right

1022
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,560
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1023
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,920
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