1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. When gayb Orties enlisted in the Air Force 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: and left Brazoria County in nineteen ninety two, he was 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: launched into the world by a stable, intact family, mom, dad, brother, sister, 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: all living together under the same roof kids going to school, 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: the whole family going to church. Was almost Rockwellian. But 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: within three years the family Gabe left behind had fragmented. First, 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: his mom left his dad and moved into an apartment 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: with Alicia, Gabe's little sister. 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: My mom's never been the disciplinariant. 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: This is Alicia, She remembers, the supervision being less than rigorous. 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: I had a lot of freedom that kids that age 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: normally would not have. You know. It's like that apartment 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: was mine and I could have my friends come and go, 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: and my boyfriend Paunch, he was always coming to go in. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: And then mom moved to Mexico with her new boyfriend. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: I did go ahead and move in with Paunch and 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: his family. 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: Were fourteen fourteen, okay, I was like Mike, what was 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: going on there? Gabe was back stage side by then 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: at an Air Force base in Texas. 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: When mom left with this other man, sister got left 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: behind and almost abandoned. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: I can recall Gabriel trying to get me and pick 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: me up and take me back to where he was roadside, 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and I think it was Abilene at the time. 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 4: It was. He was like, I'm going to get you. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, let's pack up your stuff. We'll put you 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: in college, you know, we'll get you set up over there. 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: He shows up and my dad's there to say goodbye. 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: I get my bags, I go inside. Gabe's out there waiting, 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: and Paunch starts bawling. I mean, he drops to his 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: knees and he's like, don't leave. So I felt bad. 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: So I go out there and I told Gabe and 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: my dad I'm staying. Gabe's like what, and I said, yeah, 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and stay. About a month later, 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: I find out I'm pregnant with my first kid, and 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: I was like, God, Gabe's gonna Gaye's gonna be disappointed. 38 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: M h. 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. This is the Brothers 40 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: or Tees Episode three, The Family Man. I'm Sean Flynn. 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 5: H m hm. 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: Hm hm. 43 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: When Gab's Air Force tour and Turkey ended, he was 44 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: just a few months shy of finishing up his four 45 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: year commitment, so the Air Force made gave an offer 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: he could stay in Turkey for those last few months, 47 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: or if he signed up for another year, they'd send 48 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: him back to Texas. Abilene, just about dead center of 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: the state. 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: So that's where I got sent its Dias Air Force Base. 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: He was a senior airman by then, still working security, 52 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: mostly for B one bomber payloads. At Dias. In Abilene, 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: he was much closer to Missouria County, which, despite the chaos, 54 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: was still home. But a month after he landed in 55 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: the spring of nineteen ninety six, he met a woman 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: in a local bar. 57 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: That said, probably the corniest thing ever, but I said, 58 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: you have to be the most beautiful woman in this 59 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: bar tonight. And so so we're standing there, you know, talking, 60 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: and a song comes on and she says, hey, I 61 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: like this song, and she grabs him by the hand 62 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: and we go out on the dance floor and the 63 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: rest is history. 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: So that actually worked. 65 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: Euh. 66 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Her name has been Linda, and she and Gabe 67 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: got married in August of nineteen ninety seven, a little 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: more than a year after they met, and they're still 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: married and happily. So yeah, Abilene worked out all right. 70 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: Three months after they got married, Gabe was honorably discharged 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: from the US Air Force as an immediate practical matter. 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: That meant Gabe was unemployed. He had nothing lined up, 73 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: no prospects. He applied at the local sheriff's office It's 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Taylor County, having been trained in security and law enforcement already, 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: but he hadn't heard anything back. He ended up going 76 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: to a job fair where he got hired by the 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: Texas Youth Commission. In fact, he got hired on the 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: spot right then and there, which probably should have been 79 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: a hint. 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: It's essentially a detention facility. It's almost like a prison for. 81 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 5: Youth. 82 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: He didn't like it. Fortunately, he only had to stay 83 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: there for three months because the Taylor County Sheriff. 84 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: Called and they offered me a position as a jailer 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: inside the Taylor County Jail. 86 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: A jailer is a law enforcement officer, but not a cop, 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and the way most of us think of cops. They 88 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: work in the jail, as the word suggests, looking after 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: inmates and keeping order. But it's not the same as 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: a prison guard either, because county jails mostly hold short timers. 91 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: Your weekend drunks, people who've been arrested but not convicted 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: and are just waiting to make bail, and misdemeanor offenders 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: serving short sentences of less than a year, usually days 94 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: or months for relatively minor crimes. And there are also 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: people being held in pre trial detention. They haven't been 96 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: convicted of anything, and they are of course presumed innocent, 97 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: but some of them are enough of a flight risk 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: or enough of a danger to others that are judge 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: has either denied them bail or set it so high 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: that they can't post it. 101 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: That's where I got exposed to some of the gangs. 102 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: The American correctional system, and especially the Texas correctional system, 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: has a lot of gangs. In fact, the Texas Department 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: of Public Safety's Criminal Intelligence Service has identifiedou of gangs, 105 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: including nineteen they call security threat groups. There's the Arian Brotherhood, Crips, Bloods, 106 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: Mexican Mafia, Botteryo, az Teca, and on and on. 107 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: I saw how these inmates were trying to manipulate other staff. 108 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: I mean they're going to try, you know, I'm a 109 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 3: new jailer, and certainly some of these gangs were trying 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: to manipulate me, you know, get me to bring in something, 111 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: to do favors for them. A member of the Texas Syndicate. 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: The Texas Syndicate is one of those security threat groups, 113 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: both a prison gang and a street gang, mostly of 114 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: Mexican Americans and mostly in Texas. 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: He was very careful about how he described it, but 116 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: he essentially said, how would you like for a envelope 117 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 3: full of money just to show up in your in 118 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: your mailbox every month? I'm like, what do you mean? 119 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: He said, Well, he said, I can make that happen. 120 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, what's the catch? He said, well, 121 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: you know, if we asked you maybe to do us 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: and bring in some things into jail, you know you'll 123 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: be compensated for it. 124 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: In most prisons there is a robust underground economy that 125 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: only functions if goods, drugs, cell phones, cash, what have 126 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: you are smuggled them from the outside. And the easiest 127 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: way to do that is to bribe a guard. 128 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: And he's like, it's no big deal, nobody will make cares, 129 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: not hurting anybody. He's like, what do you make ten 130 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: dollars an hour? 131 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes he did, but he turned him down. Thank 132 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: you anyways, he tried every once in a while. 133 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: It's like that offer still stands if you want to, 134 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: you know, man, we can help you out. I know 135 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: you're not making much. 136 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: At the same time, Gabe was saying no to the 137 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Texas Syndicate, even though he was barely scraping by his 138 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: brother Larry, just a few hours down the highway, was 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: very much saying yes to the gang life and that 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: paid a lot better. While Gabe was an Abilene trying 141 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: to figure out what to do with his life, his 142 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: little brother Larry was still running the streets in Bassouria County, 143 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: few of. 144 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 6: Them anyway, It was maybe three streets. 145 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: This is Antonio, but that's not his real name. Antonio 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: agreed to be interviewed and recorded for this podcast, but 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: because we talked about some sensitive things, we're not going 148 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: to use his real name. He and Larry have been 149 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: friends since they were kids. 150 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 6: It was in three streets. It was had everything sold up, 151 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 6: not just drugs problems. 152 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Antonio is in his mid forties, shaved, had lots of tats, 153 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: built like a fire hydrant, squat and thick, and yet 154 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: somehow genuinely surprised that anyone might find him intimidating. 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: It. 156 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: We met her house, a neat, little bungalow in a 157 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: green and quiet neighborhood, and by we, I mean a 158 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: whole bunch of us. Gabe is there, as is his mom, Gloria, 159 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: his sister Alicia and two of her kids, and Larry's 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: friend Wade. Again that his real name either. 161 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: Mean Shan, Larry was was. I could call him my 162 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 5: brother in law, but he was. He was actually my brother. 163 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 5: My sister was his wife. And I know they've been 164 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 5: together at least thirty years. Seventh grade, yeah, something like 165 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 5: seventh grade. I consider his family. Even before Larry and 166 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 5: Kissy even met. We wouldn't go nowhere without each other. 167 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 5: If he was here, now, you know, we'd be ready, 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 5: you know, we if they didn't go, I didn't go. 169 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 5: If I didn't go. Sometimes they still go, but it 170 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 5: just depends on what I had going on. But for 171 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: the most part year it was gonna be us three. 172 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 5: We was in the neighborhood that was just full of 173 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 5: full of drugs and alcohol and everything that comes with that, 174 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 5: which again are we known for the most part is 175 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 5: what we've seen on TV. So now we're actually living 176 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: it and it's different. Than what it what it was 177 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: on TV. The consequences, I mean, you know, people dying, 178 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: getting shot, stabbed, cut fights, The drive bys started happening 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 5: more frequently. It was, it was always something going on. 180 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: We're sitting at a high top table just off the kitchen. 181 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Antonio's drinking, michaelob ultras. He's a little nervous. It's still 182 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: carb conscious. He's also a gracious host. You can hear 183 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: both of our bottles rattling on the table. We also 184 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: had an audience. Gab was standing there off to the 185 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: side listening. 186 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: Sorry, if there's some criminal stuff, I know, we know 187 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: Larry was involved, was involved with some stuff, and you 188 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: can talk about it. It's not gonna come back to 189 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: anymore names and dates, but. 190 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: We don't do that anyway, So just. 191 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: Saying like, don't hold back because there's probably stuff you 192 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: ever talked about that. 193 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: I don't know. 194 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, Sorry, there's a movie playing on the TV, 195 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: one of the Fast and Furious franchise, but it's on mute. 196 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: Everyone is listening to Antonio. 197 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 6: And wadeh What was in the eighties, I think crack 198 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 6: hit that neighborhood, Real. 199 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 5: Hoard ninety one, ninety two. Yeah, ninety one ninety two. 200 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Crack has just powdered cocaine alchemized into a cheap, smokable rock. 201 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: For the buyer, it hits harder and faster, and for 202 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: the seller it's more lucrative because they can retail smaller 203 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: quantities to more people. It first showed up in significant 204 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: quantities around nineteen eighty in Miami and then pretty quickly 205 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: spread to most major cities. It took a while a 206 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: decade apparently to filter into smaller out of the way 207 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: markets like Brazoria County. 208 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 6: That epidemic there was. It hit the little of the 209 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 6: community we grew out of, hit that neighborhood, real hoard 210 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 6: and Larry got to watch all that with us. And 211 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 6: you know when your kids and you see that easy 212 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 6: money coming in in it, how do you say it's 213 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 6: hit ticing. 214 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 215 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Antonio and Wade got into the game too, started selling, 216 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: started making that easy money. 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 5: It was all about being cool. That's really was the 218 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 5: motivating factor behind all of that. Was just to be cool. 219 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: The girls liked the cool, dougish bad boys, so that's 220 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 5: what we became. You feel a bulletproof, you know, at 221 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: eighteen and nineteen, I thought I was grown, and I 222 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 5: knew what I was doing. I had no clue. 223 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: But neither of them lasted very long in the game. 224 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Wade got arrested when he was still in his late teens, 225 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: and then he got called over to his grandmother's house. 226 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 5: And when I got there, I thought somebody had died 227 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 5: because there was a lot of people there, a lot 228 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 5: of people, And by this time, I don't even know 229 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 5: who I am. I just I'm getting in a lot 230 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 5: of trouble. So I got out of the car, and 231 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: as I'm walking in the yard, I see both of 232 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 5: my grandmothers sitting beside each other, my paternal and my 233 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: maternal grandmother. So something has to be wrong for both 234 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 5: of them to be here. My paternal grandmother, she just 235 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: had her head speaking to your soul. I have an 236 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 5: older brother that was in prison at the time, and 237 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: she said, so your brother on his way out and 238 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 5: you're on your way in. 239 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 6: Huh. 240 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: It was the disappointment, the dissatisfaction, the disgust, the hurt 241 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 5: that I seen in her face and then in her eyes. 242 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 5: That's what really got to me. So that was it 243 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: for me. That was my first and last time getting 244 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: in trouble. 245 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Antonio was out soon after. 246 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 6: So one of the last times I went to jail, 247 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 6: I told the police officer he had got to call 248 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 6: my mom, right, and he come down on me real hard. 249 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 6: All you a gangster, you bad ass, and you this 250 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 6: and that and that and that, and look at you 251 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 6: wanting to call your mom. And I told him, I said, well, 252 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 6: my mom's disabled. If I don't call her, she's gonna 253 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 6: step all night worry and he's gonna make herself sick. 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 6: And he and he looked me in my eyes and 255 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 6: he told me, he said, do you think you're some 256 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 6: of the problem. Sat in there a week, the city 257 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 6: jail and people thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking 258 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 6: about it. He was right. That was enough for me. 259 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: He wasn't even in there on a drug charge. In fact, 260 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: Antonio has never been arrested for drugs. 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 6: I just got lucky myself and never got caught in 262 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 6: some of the things I've done. And Larry, I guess, 263 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 6: didn't have that kind of look. 264 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: No, he did not. 265 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: Now honestly, I kind of lost track here's gab, but 266 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: I do recall him in and out, in and out. 267 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: It was all drug related charges. And maybe it's some 268 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: probation violations. The first time Melinda met him was us 269 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: going to Missouri County jail and me talking to him 270 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: behind the glass because he was locked up. I'm like, Hey, 271 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: this is mike fiance Melinda, and she's like hi, you know, 272 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: waving behind the glass. 273 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: So maybe Larry didn't have Antonio's luck, but he also 274 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: had different circumstances, different incentives, different talents. Let's start with 275 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: the talents. Larry was good at the game. He'd moved 276 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: on from slinging a pocketful of rocks on a street corner. 277 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: That's retail, the drug trade equivalent of working the counter 278 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: at seven to eleven. By the late nineties, he was 279 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: working with larger quantities of weed and cocaine and cash, 280 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: and he'd moved into manufacturing, which is what law enforcement 281 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: calls it when you cook pottered cocaine and the crack. 282 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: And the reason we know he was good at it 283 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: is that, despite his well known reputation, despite what his 284 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: family and friends knew, his criminal records at that point 285 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: reflected none of it. 286 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 6: He wasn't just good at that. Larry was good at 287 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 6: taking care of business. 288 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 5: You know. 289 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 6: He was good at taking care of things. You know, 290 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 6: he was going to make it happen regardless, you know 291 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 6: that I had to say about him. He was going 292 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 6: to get by and he was going to make sure 293 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 6: that everybody that road Woodham was going to be okay too. 294 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: In the beginning, it was all an adolescent goof Remember 295 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: that movie they all watched, South Central waydus Don't Fuck 296 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: with Dooce kids playing gangster. But Larry's not acting out 297 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: a movie anymore. He has real responsibilities, people depending on him, 298 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: people to take care of. Larry is now the man 299 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: of the family fractured though it might be. Gabe's off 300 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: working corrections. His father's a wreck. 301 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 6: Remember his dad was a heavy drinker. We were over 302 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 6: there a few quite a few times, and his dad 303 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 6: was going through some difficult times and Larry had to 304 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 6: be the adult in the house. You know, he was 305 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 6: there by himself, just him and his dad. Everyone else 306 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 6: was gone. 307 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: While Larry is keeping tabs on his dad, he's also 308 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: raising two daughters. Kissy, his girlfriend who would become his wife, 309 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: was pregnant with someone else's baby when they first got together. Nadlin, 310 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: who Larry would raise as his own, was a toddler, 311 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: and then Larry and Kissy had a daughter together, Larissa, 312 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: who's eleven months younger than Nadlin. 313 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 5: The pinnacle of the point on his legacy is taking 314 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: care of his family, home, his household. That was it. 315 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 5: That was probably the motivating factor for everything that he did, 316 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: was making sure that my sister and them kids we 317 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 5: all right, We're taken care of. 318 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: And finally there's Alicia, Larry and Gabe's little sister. Fifteen 319 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: years old when she got pregnant for the first time. 320 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: When I told Larry, he was just like, well, you're 321 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: gonna have to woman up now. Like it's it's not 322 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: it's not games, it's it's you know, you got to 323 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: you got responsibilities coming Now's family was like, hey, you 324 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: got to get a job. You got a baby to 325 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: take care of, and they helped us get her own place. 326 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: I learned how to cook from Poncha's momd home and 327 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: she's the one that told me, look, if this is 328 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: what you're going to do, You're you're going to live together. 329 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: This is how it. 330 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 4: Needs to be. 331 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: I'm playing Susie Hellmaker at the age of fifteen. It 332 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: was definitely it was hard because I was still a 333 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: kid myself. 334 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: Alicia had already dropped out of school, asaid Larry and Paunch. 335 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: They would all eventually get their GEDs, but in the moment, Alicia, 336 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: teenage Alisha and her teenage boyfriend. They have a child 337 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: to raise. It's not easy. Punch got a job detailing cars, 338 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: but it barely paid the bills. And then Alicia got 339 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: pregnant again. She needed money. Her mom's out of the country, 340 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: her dad's in a depression. She doesn't want to ask Gabe. 341 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: Gabe was just even disappointed, I know, he was. 342 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Who's she going to turn to? Her big brother Larry. 343 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: I was like, let Punch is not making enough money. 344 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: We got to we gotta make it. You know, we 345 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: got diapers, we got we got clothes. You know, we 346 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: gotta pay for bills. So Larry kind of took us 347 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: under his wing and showed us the game, as they 348 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: call it, and he was like, okay, He's like, I'm 349 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: gonna put you on. And so sure. 350 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 4: Enough we started selling crack cocaine. 351 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: H Larry Todd, Aleisha and her boyfriend how to make 352 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: crack in their kitchen. It's not complicated. You basically boiled 353 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: cocaine and baking soda and then let it harden into 354 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: something you can break into smokable retail rocks. 355 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: When when we started making it, the money was coming in. 356 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 2: We got cars like jet skis, were we were doing 357 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: pretty good when it came to money. I mean, we 358 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: were this close to a person signing over their d 359 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: to a two better home for us. 360 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Also there was weed. Alicia was telling that too. Gabe 361 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: has never heard any of this. He's standing nearby. Is 362 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Alicia's telling me this story, and I expect him to 363 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: be shocked, maybe even a little hurt, because what she's 364 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: saying is appalling. His brother taught his little sister how 365 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: to commit multiple felonies that could have put her in 366 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: prison for decades, and yet he seems bemused because it's 367 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: also kind of sweet. Keep in mind that at that 368 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: time in his life mid twenties, Gabe is not impressed 369 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: with his siblings' life choices, maybe even disappointed. As Alicia 370 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: put it, Larry and Alisha are both high school dropouts. 371 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Larry is in and out of jail, and Gabe tried 372 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: to bring Alicia to Abilene so she wouldn't become. Well 373 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: what she became, an unwed teenage mother with a boyfriend 374 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: who details cars. Now more than twenty five years later, 375 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: there's this wrinkle. Sure, maybe Larry was by some measures 376 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: a fuck up, but he was loyal, protective. He was 377 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: trying honestly and sincerely to help his little sister in 378 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: the best way, maybe the only way he knew how. 379 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: There is decency in that. It may have been misguided 380 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: and it was most definitely illegal, but maybe there was 381 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: a touch of nobility too. In the middle of all this, 382 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: when Gabe is working at the jail in Abilene, Larry 383 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: pays him a little surprise visit. 384 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: And he's still wearing blue and you know he's still 385 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: you know, there's still claiming crips, and I just kind 386 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: of saw him evolve and I knew he's still he's 387 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: in the dope game. A lot of people in that 388 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: area were involved in the dope game and selling crack cocaine. 389 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: Gabe is surprised to see his brother because he hasn't 390 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: known Larry as the sort to make a six hour 391 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: drive from Bassouria County. But again, Gabe didn't know everything 392 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: going out at home, didn't know who Larry was running with, 393 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: didn't know where Larry was coming from or going to, 394 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: And it's just as well. Really that Gabe didn't know 395 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: any of that. He was still working in the jail, 396 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: but he was restless. 397 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: And Neil wanted to go out into the field and 398 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: work the streets. 399 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: He wanted to be a cop. And how many details 400 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: does it want to be cop? Really want to know 401 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: about his little brother, the street corner crack dealer. Well, 402 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: as it happened, there was another jailer, older guy, late fifties, 403 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: maybe sixty, who started working around the same time as Gabe. 404 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: His name was JC. 405 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: He looked like a guy off the tombstone, but he 406 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: had the handlebar mustache, gray hair. He looked kind of weathered, 407 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: but a guy you knew that you didn't want to 408 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: mess with. I remember j C asking me. He said, Gabe, 409 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: what are you doing here? And I was like, what 410 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: do you mean? What am I doing here? 411 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 5: Man? 412 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: I was got out of Air Force. I needed a job. 413 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: JC had already had a long career in law enforcement. 414 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: He said, this is a retirement job for me. And 415 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 3: he said, Gabe, you're too young and you're too sharp 416 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: to be working in the jail. You've got a lot 417 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: of potential. Have you ever thought about applying to DPS 418 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't know that I've ever 419 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: heard of DPS. 420 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: DPS is the Texas Department of Public Safety. It's the 421 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: umbrella agency for all state level law enforcement like the 422 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers and the Highway Patrol and law enforcement related 423 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: things like the crime lab and driver's licenses. It's big, 424 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: but in the moment, Jase was thinking only about the 425 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: Highway Patrol. 426 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: He said, Gay, next time a trooper comes in here, 427 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: I think you should talk to him and ask him 428 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: about the job, because I think you'd be a great 429 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: state trooper. 430 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: Not long after, a trooper came into the jail with 431 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: somebody he'd arrested. 432 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: He basically explained everything to me, and he said, if 433 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: you're interested, I've got an application out in the car, 434 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: and you've got two weeks to have it completed and 435 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: turned in to meet the deadline for the next recruit school. 436 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: So we go out to his car get the application. 437 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: It must have been one hundred pages, or at least 438 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: it seemed like one hundred pages. I take this home 439 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: and I start filling this out, and my wife is like, 440 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: what are you doing. I was like, I'm filling this 441 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: out to be a state trooper. She's like, what's a 442 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: state trooper? And I'm trying to explain to her what DBI. 443 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: I didn't even know, you know, earlier that day. And 444 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, Babe, I'm going to get a fifteen thousand 445 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: dollars year pay raise. I was making twenty thousand dollars 446 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: a year at the time, so that was almost, you know, 447 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: double what I'd be making, and so it just alive. 448 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: It was financially motivated, but it was also something that 449 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to do. I wanted to be 450 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: out in the street. 451 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: State troopers, for the most part, are not kicking down 452 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: doors and busting cartels and sending bad guys to prison. 453 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: You do a lot of traffic enforcement, speeders, drunks, car wrecks, 454 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of them work in rural areas because 455 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: those highways need to be patrolled too. But for Gabe, 456 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: it's a wrong a couple of rocks up the law 457 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: enforcement ladder, and this application it was good. 458 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: And that's how I ended up going to the academy 459 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine. 460 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: And then where were you posted your first one? 461 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: So my first duty station was Lake Jackson, Texas. 462 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: Lake Jackson is in Brazoria County, the place Gabe thought 463 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: he'd left for good more than seven years earlier. 464 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: I'd been going for a number of years, so yes, 465 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: it was a homecoming. Things have changed. And knew that 466 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: at some point I was going to encounter a lot 467 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 3: of people that I knew, you know, family members, people 468 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: I grew up with, And how was I going to 469 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 3: deal with that? 470 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: That's next time. I'm The Brothers or Tease. The Brothers 471 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: Orties is a production from Campsite Media in partnership with 472 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 473 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. The Brothers Orties was written, reported, 474 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: and hosted by me Sean Flynn. 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