1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Suddenly 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: the north sky, the sky was split into and high 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: above the forest, the whole northern part of the sky 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: appeared covered with fire. At that moment, there was a 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: bang in the sky and a mighty crash. The crash 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: was followed by a noise like stones falling from the sky, 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: or of guns firing. The earth trembled. And that was 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: a quotation that comes to us via a researcher named 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: Leonid Kulik, who heard this account at the Nara Trading 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: Post in Russia. The account was read by our special 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: guest on the show today, uh the one the only 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: Mr Joe McCormick, who may recognize from forward thinking. Hello Joe, Hi, everybody. 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: It's an honor to be on the show of ill 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: repute such as this. Why thank you. My name is 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: Matt and I'm then and that makes this stuff they 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And today we are discussing 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: something extremely cool, something explosive and fiery and dangerous and deadly. 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Well fortunately, as far as we know, not deadly for 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: any humans. Yes, but there were probably several animals injured 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: in the making of this event, so I'd say no 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: doubt about that. Yeah, so today we're gonna be talking 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: about the Tunguska event. While back, Mr Ben Boland came 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: up to me and he asked if I'd like to 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: be a guest host on stuff they don't want you 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: to know, and I said, only if we can talk 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: about the Tunguska event. That was one of many of 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: the conditions that came attached to this appearance and a 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: lot of paperwork. Yeah, we're glad we could make it 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: all happen. But this is such a fascinating topic because 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: we know we know the facts, and for decades afterwards 33 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: people were not sure what actually happened. But as we 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: go through the episode today, Matt, Joe and I are 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: going to illuminate the events a little bit by talking 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: about what we know in the beginning, the various theories 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: that were proposed, and what we believe nowadays actually happens. 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: So this is not one of those podcasts where you'll 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: walk away with way more questions than the answers. We 40 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: have the answer, ladies and gentlemen. Uh we have the answer, 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: and as Uh the Mad Hatter said to Alice, will 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: start at the beginning and go through the middle, and 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: then we'll stop at the end. Sound good, that's great. 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: So let's start at what exactly was the Tunguska event. Well, 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: we should start by saying what tongusca is. Okay, that's 46 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: not a word that pops up every day. Well maybe 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: if you're one of us, but not for most people. Okay, 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: So the Tungusca or the Podkamanya Tunguska, if I'm saying 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: that correctly, um is a region in Russia. It's actually 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a region in Siberia. I believe in Siberia proper. So 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people will say basically anything east of 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: the Ural Mountains is Siberia, not all Siberia. There's actually 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: a part of Russia that is officially Siberia, and this 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: includes the Tunguska region. Right spot on the pad Kaminaya, 55 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: which I am probably mispronouncing. Uh is also a river 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: that flows westward about nine hundred seventy six miles or 57 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: for everyone outside of the United States and maybe two 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: other countries uh undred and seventy one kilometers to a 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: place called the yenniseev River. Um. The name of this 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: river uh means Tunguska under the pebbles. There are a 61 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: couple of different Tunguscas and their tributaries of the yennizev 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Um and it's called under the pebbles, interestingly enough, because 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: it flows under these pebble fields. So it's not an 64 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: open river for the entirety of its run. Yeah. And 65 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: so in this region you have some you have a 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: lot of forests. You also have pete bogs and swamps, 67 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of great wilderness out there. 68 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Fortunately not that much civilization. Yeah, that is fortunate. It 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: is not exactly New York City, um as as you 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: may have heard about Siberia. It's a pretty isolated place, right, Matt. Yeah, 71 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: it's a difficult place for humans to live. There are 72 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot the only humans that really live out there 73 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: are these uh semi nomatic herders and trappers that survive 74 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: off the land, and they're few and far between there. 75 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: What are they called the even key Uh. Guess we 76 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: should also do a disclaimer that uh of none of 77 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: the three of us, to our knowledge are Russian and Nol. 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: I don't believe you're Okay, Noel is also uh not 79 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: a native Russian speaker. Uh. But what we do know, 80 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: aside from mispronouncing a few things here and there, we 81 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: do know that in this isolated part of the world, 82 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: something very strange happened a little after seven am on 83 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: June in you heard the quotation, right, a massive explosion 84 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: the way a lot of people at the time seemed 85 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: to have described it. And and as far as we know, 86 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: there was nobody at ground zero of this. There were 87 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: there were people who were quite far away, but it 88 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: still felt the effects imminently. Uh. So people described it 89 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: as seeing a vast light in the sky, burning particles, 90 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: a sky full of fire, a second son, uh, these 91 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: terrifying apocalyptic visions, and then feeling things like searing heat 92 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: coming from the air, and then uh shock wave of 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: blasts as if the described like cannon fire. And we 94 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: also know that people from as far as forty miles 95 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: away reported some stuff about this blast. So there's no 96 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: argument here something definitely happened. It wasn't just a bunch 97 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: of nobody's denying that, like no, no, no, nothing to 98 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: see here, right, because it even burned people within thirteen 99 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: miles of where it happened, and there are animals that 100 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: were burned, so there are obvious effects that you could 101 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: feel and see. Yeah, there's some real into the world 102 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: stuff there. But as we know, as we said at 103 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: the top, uh, years past, and people weren't sure what occurred. 104 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: And in the absence of that, uh, no one was 105 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: able to say what happened. So people started saying what 106 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: they thought happened or believed had occurred. Yeah. Sure, something 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: huge happens like this, and you know, you go to 108 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: what you know or what you believe. That's kind of 109 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: what humans do something if you don't understand it, it's 110 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: just you go to your innermost beliefs. Sure. I mean, 111 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: if something like this were to have happened, say, uh, 112 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: fifty years later, you can bet I think that u 113 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: apology would immediately come into play. I'd say that wasn't 114 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: such a big thing back in nineteen o eight. I mean, 115 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: there were vague kind of ideas of other worldly visitations, 116 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: but they didn't have the science fiction vision of flying 117 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: saucers with energy weapons like we do today. Yeah, or 118 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: perhaps a nuclear strike something that something looks like a 119 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: second son burning in the air. Yeah, one might say 120 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: that again today but back then, I mean, they had 121 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: no reference point for that. They didn't have nuclear weapons actually, 122 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: right that we know of a right. So that's a 123 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: really interesting point though. So if we talk about some 124 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: of the things that people did believe, we will see 125 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: that some of these ideas came into play um decades 126 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: after the fact, and one of those being the idea 127 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: of extraterrestrials. So you'll you'll see claims that some sort 128 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: of extraterrestrial force either accidentally or purposely triggered this explosion um, 129 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: or that evidence of this craft or this weapon or whatever. Oh, 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: that's the most important part, that it was something made 131 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: by an intelligence, that it was not just from space 132 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: but purposely crafted and then sent here um. And then 133 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: you can also see that when people started speculating that 134 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: perhaps this was Tesla technology. Right. Yeah, so I've seen 135 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: this claim just uh, pretty low profile, it seems to me, 136 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: but around the web in various places people speculating, well, 137 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if the Tunguska event, the giant fire in 138 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: the sky that was seen there was Nicola Tesla, the 139 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: famed somewhat maybe mad inventor testing his so called death ray. 140 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Now Tesla try to disown the term death ray. He 141 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: wasn't interested in that, and he tried to distance himself 142 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: from it, but he did for many years advertised that 143 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: he was trying to create a particle beam that would 144 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: be used as a weapon that could end all wars. Basically, 145 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: that it would be able to repel from a great 146 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: distance any infantry invasion or a airplane attack. That it 147 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: would be a devastating weapon that would provide insurmountable defense 148 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: to every country that possessed it, right, which I think 149 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: is an interesting argument for deterrence. Right, and we see 150 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: it happening now. The logic of having a nuclear arsenal 151 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: is similar to the logic yeah with this particle. Really, 152 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: what he's talking about Tesla is just musually a shured destruction. Well, 153 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: it could be interpreted that way. Actually did a podcast 154 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: with Jonathan Strickland on Tech Stuff about this. I'm not 155 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: usually host of tech stuff, but I guess it with 156 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: him about technologies that were believed at some point might 157 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: end all wars, world peace tech. It turns out none 158 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: of those have ever worked. But so one way of 159 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: looking at weapons to end wars is this idea of 160 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: mutually assured destruction. Everybody has weapons so powerful that it's 161 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: in nobody's interest to start a war because the retaliation 162 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: would be devastating to you. The other idea is a 163 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: prohibitive defensive weapon, and I sometimes get the impression that's 164 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: what Tesla is thinking about. He's thinking about, Well, it's 165 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily so much that it would be a devastating 166 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: retaliatory attack, but just that you could repel anything coming 167 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: into your border. It would be almost kind of like 168 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: a Tesla kind of steampunk version of the iron Dome 169 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: system that Israel employees uh supposedly to shoot down incoming rockets. 170 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: Not uh, not entirely effective, of course. But then also 171 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: if we to get global, it could be compared to 172 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: the Star Wars program if the program works. Um spoiler 173 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: alerts left and right, everybody. But we do know that 174 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: Tesla was involved in some innovative tech and also in 175 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: these uh in these experiments that have given rise to 176 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: so much speculation, one of course being warden Cliff Tower 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: and h Wardencliffe Tower. If we look at the timeline here, uh, 178 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: the Tonguska uh event occurred in nineteen o eight. Wardencliffe 179 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: Tower was shut down in nineteen o five it wasn't 180 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: dismantled until nineteen seventeen. So, Um, the timelines here don't 181 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: seem to work out. But of course, um, if he's 182 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: talking about the particle beam instead, then we don't really know, 183 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: but we we have more compelling evidence that says he 184 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it. Yeah, I am 185 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: not even convinced it's likely that Tesla ever really had 186 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: a particle beam. Look, I'm just gonna say if he 187 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: did have a particle beam, and I don't know if 188 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: he did, that would be the perfect place to test it. Well, 189 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, right, If you assume that 190 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: he was a relatively humane guy, he'd want to be 191 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: it would be like the nuclear tests in the desert. 192 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: You'd want to do them somewhere where nobody was living. Yeah, 193 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's a really good point, because what if 194 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: there were some sort of group that had technology. Uh 195 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: here on my notes, I had streets of streets ahead 196 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: because I was watching Community earlier, and I used that 197 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: phrase at nauseum. But I don't know what that means. 198 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: It's oh man, I'll tell you later, Okay. It's just 199 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: a lame way of trying to say something's cool. Uh. 200 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: So this idea that there would be some sort of 201 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: suppressed technology that was being tested not necessarily tied to TESLA. 202 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: That's that's another popular idea. UM. Again, it's an idea that, 203 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: as far as we know, does not have any tangible 204 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: proof at this time. Uh. And then, of course, if 205 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: we want to get weird with it, there is the 206 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: idea of an extremely small black hole. I haven't read 207 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot about this, but from what I have looked 208 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: at it doesn't seem very likely. The idea is basically 209 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: that a black hole shot through the Earth. So we 210 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: had a wandering, tiny black hole that was just I 211 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: don't know, floating through space, and at some point it 212 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: entered Earth's atmosphere, smashed through Earth, and exited out the 213 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: other side, I believe I it seems fairly ridiculous on 214 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: its face, seems like there will be more destruction. Is 215 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: something like that where to happen? I don't know well, 216 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: and I think the idea is that there would be 217 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: more evidence of it like what we'd see. It would 218 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: have had more effects at both ends of the Earth, 219 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: would have an exit wound. Honestly, we have no idea 220 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: what would happen, right, Yeah, if a black hole interact, 221 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean sure, yeah, I'm somebody could probably run some 222 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of simulation of it, but as long as they 223 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: don't do it for real. I think also the idea 224 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: of these wandering black holes all around the Earth, that 225 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: that that's basically sci fi. We have no reason to 226 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: think there's anything like that near the Earth or in 227 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: the Solar System. Yeah. I just don't go near the 228 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: center of the galaxy, that's all, because the question would 229 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: be how could it um? In nineteen eight maybe not, 230 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: but in two thousand and fourteen there would be ways 231 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: to find evidence of those things if they existed this 232 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: close to us. Um. There's another idea here that, as 233 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: uh an armchair folkloreist, I found fascinating and uh it 234 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: is the original local explanation for the Tunguska event that 235 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: depends on neither extraterrestrials nor mad science. Yeah, that's right. 236 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about gods here, everybody. This is exciting. There's 237 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: no reason that the only mythology we should take seriously 238 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: is technological mythology. Absolutely. I mean, I'd say, let's talk 239 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: about the gods on even foot ng with with Tesla 240 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and black holes and aliens. Okay, so what is the idea. 241 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: What did the locals, or at least the locals who 242 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: believed in this belief happened at the Tungusco event. Oh yeah, 243 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: well they they placed the blame of this on a 244 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: god named Og, which again I'm probably mispronouncing Od, being 245 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: a thunder god whom they believed was summoned. Uh and 246 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: in a visitation to the area cursed it. Uh. There's 247 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: an interesting uh shamanic chant that comes to us, translated 248 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: via Dieger Hoffman, a professor of Siberian ethnography at Hamburg University. Um, 249 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: the shaman is vasily zuncool and uh. This has a 250 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: bit of m It's kind of an invocation to o. 251 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: D Uh. Do you guys want to read it? Are 252 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: you ready? Oh? I don't know. Are you ready? Listener? 253 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Because it's about to get epic in here. The God comes, 254 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: The God comes. The earth trembles in fear at the 255 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: coming of Od. The earth rises and falls beneath my 256 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: feet like waves of water. My place of purification is overthrown. 257 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: My lodge bulls toppling. The God comes. The God calls out, 258 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: blinding bright, his tongue lashes the sky. His roar booms 259 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: off the hills. The heavens ring with it. Ogd Is 260 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: calling his avatar from the lower world. The earth at 261 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: my feet tears open at the touch of his fiery tongue. 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: The god calls out, heating the gods call, the Avatar 263 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: arises night Walker, spawn of Darkness, beast of evil Heart 264 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: from the lower world. He arises, insatiable, all devouring as 265 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: wild dogs, tearing it entrails of their kiln. Heating the 266 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: God's call, the Avatar arises. Man, I really like that. 267 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: That's that is awesome apocalyptic poetry. Basically, I wish I 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: really wish we had more of that kind of imagery, 269 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: just colorful imagery in our mythology. I got nothing like 270 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: that here. I mean, there's some pretty there, there's some 271 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: pretty heavily and I guess the right world would be 272 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: epic or metal. There's some pretty metal parts of most religions. 273 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just what I would say, is that 274 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: believing stuff like oh it was Aliens or oh Tesla 275 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: was testing his death ray has no poetry like that. Yeah, 276 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: So you know that's a that's a good point. Um. 277 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: And also I like the idea that what we're looking 278 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: at when we see these three different explanations is a 279 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: various groups of people are attempting to explain an inexplicable 280 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: event through the lens of the way they see the 281 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: world right through a framework. It also helped the place 282 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the enormous loss of life and property in perspective. So 283 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: they thought some shaman and foolishly uh called on oak 284 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: d and that was the root of the problem. Now, 285 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: they didn't really talk about this for a while though, Um, 286 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: we didn't really have an investigation, certainly not nineteen o eight, right, No, 287 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: But years later we finally did. Yes, And we will 288 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: get to that in just a moment, I promise, But 289 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: first let's look at something slightly different. 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Okay, 324 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: So it seems like the first scientific expedition to the 325 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: area happened in nine when Leoni Coolik hit the scene 326 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and he was looking for a crater, because the basic 327 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: idea in mainstream science was this was a meteor. It 328 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: was it was a rock from space that descended, descended 329 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: into the atmosphere and hit the ground somewhere and blew up. 330 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: So massive impact event. Uh, and there might have been 331 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: then there. They're definitely still to some degree is today 332 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: debate about what the nature of this object from space 333 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: was it Was it an asteroid, a largely rocky body, 334 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: or was it a comet like a ball of ice 335 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: and dust. But the main ideas something from space came 336 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: into the atmosphere blew up, so he wanted to go 337 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: find where it hit. And it turns out when he 338 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: actually did get to find it, because I believe there 339 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: were multiple expeditions before he actually found it. Uh So 340 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: once he got to the area, it was not hard 341 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: to find ground zero because there were about more than 342 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: eight hundreds square miles, about two thousands square kilometers of 343 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: trees that were affected by this explosion, basically in a 344 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: bull's eye shape. So when you entered the area from 345 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: the outer circle, the forest turned into a landscape of 346 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: flattened trees, trees knocked flat against the ground, all outward 347 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: in the same direction, going out from the middle. Obviously, 348 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: it would be pretty easy to know what direction you 349 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: need to go. It would be amazing. I just want 350 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: to say, to walk through that. Yeah, so cool. Yeah, 351 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: And so it followed eight hundred square miles I mean yeah, 352 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: and as as you said, that's that's the rough estimates. 353 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: It's more than that. Yeah, I think it was more. 354 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: It was like eight hundred and twenty or eight hundred miles. 355 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: But so they proceeded inward and found towards the center 356 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: of the bulls eye scorched tree trunk standing straight up 357 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: with no branches, just stripped branches gone like charred telephone polls. 358 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what on Earth? But how interesting that they 359 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: weren't knocked over the way the ones on the outside, yes, right, 360 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: But the branches are one of the biggest pieces of 361 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: evidence too, because that only occurred, um. That wouldn't occur 362 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: again that we have documentation of until Hiroshima um when. Yeah, 363 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: because of the the speed and the pressure knocked the 364 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: branches off before it could translate that to the trunk. 365 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: So it's like getting hit so hard that your arms 366 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: fall off before you feel it in your chest. Yeah. 367 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: So if you think about this though, what it suggests 368 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: is not an impact on the ground but an explosion 369 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: from above. And here's where we get to what has 370 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: become the accepted theory of the Tunguska event UH in 371 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: the years since, scientists today are pretty much all in 372 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: agreement that what happened there Something entered the atmosphere from 373 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: space and it blew up before it hit the ground. 374 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: May it just heated to the point that it completely 375 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: exploded and then the downward shock wave stripped and scorched 376 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: the trees below it. As the shock waves spread out, 377 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: it was it would turn horizontal in its direction and 378 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: knocked down the trees for those hundreds of miles. And 379 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: the questions that this leaves us with or things like 380 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: what would have happened if it had actually hit the ground. UH. 381 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: NASA has some pretty interesting information on this and and 382 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: the current theory is that this was this rock was 383 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: about a hundred and twenty feet across, and that it 384 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: was traveling at a speed in excess of thirty three 385 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: thousand miles prour about thirty three point five thousand and 386 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: UH that that it weighed two hundred and twenty million pounds. 387 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: Now these are all estimates, of course, based on UH, 388 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: based on the best forensic data they can pull. But 389 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: UH still, even if it that is just in the 390 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: area of the correct numbers, that that is frightening. The 391 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: craziest number was the next one, the idea that it 392 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: heated the surrounding air to forty four thousand, five hundred 393 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. That's that's yeah, well, I mean it's it's 394 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: very common for things entering the atmosphere to burn up 395 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: upon entry. You've heard about this before, and UH it's 396 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: often believed that the reason is friction, right, But that's 397 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: actually I've recently found out that's not true. That it's 398 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: it has to do with compression heating. So it's traveling 399 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: so fast against the thick air of our atmosphere that 400 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: it's smashing the air in front of it, uh so fast. 401 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: The air heats up to these incredible temperatures and the 402 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: thing catches on fire and the outside surfaces of it 403 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: get melted. And sometimes if it gets hot enough, and 404 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: if it's composed in the right way and all the 405 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: conditions are just right, it'll just explode. See that's why 406 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: when I re enter Earth's atmosphere, I go slow. It's 407 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: the long con you know what I mean. Like I 408 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: get down here safely, but it takes a month easy. 409 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: I really want to see schematics and diagreeins on how 410 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: you do that. Ben. Well, you know they say if 411 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna build a space elevator, one thing that's gonna 412 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: be disappointing about it is it's gonna take you at 413 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: the very least days to get to space. Yeah, because 414 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: you can't go fast up and down this thing. It's 415 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: kind of I think that's actually that's technological limitation at 416 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: this point, But it seems like you might not want 417 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: to go fast up and down. They're probably areas where 418 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: you can speed up a little bit, and then you'll 419 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: have to slow down again and then speed up again. 420 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're still talking human enterprise, it will 421 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: be traffic jams, people's space elevator pods will break down. 422 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: It'll be really tough to go fast, to go quickly, 423 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: even when you have the technology. But you know, maybe 424 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: we shouldn't. It reminds me a little bit of do 425 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: you guys remember Dune, How they had the force fields 426 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: for fighting and you couldn't the force fields would stop 427 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: a blunt trying. You guys are both staring at me. 428 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've never read That's all right, somebody out there, 429 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, you guys know what I'm talking about. 430 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: But um, going back to the object at hand. Yeah, 431 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: so this is fascinating also to me. It NASA believes 432 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: that it exploded at at a height of twenty eight 433 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: thousand feet, which okay, so I'm just trying to understand 434 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: this thing that weighs millions of pounds at least according 435 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: to NASA, explodes that high up in the sky and 436 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: it's still is able to wreak such massive destruction on 437 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, that to me is terrifying, and it 438 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: does make you think about nuclear weapons tests and other 439 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: times nuclear weapons have been used and exploded in the sky. Yeah. Well, well, 440 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: as with many great natural explosions, science communicators often have 441 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: to frame it in terms of how many atomic bombs 442 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: or how many hydrogen bombs? Uh? They did, I believe 443 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: this the same quote you got from NASA did that. 444 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: They said basically that the explosion of this object from 445 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: space released the energy equivalent to quote A hundred and 446 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: eighty five Hiroshima bombs, which just foggles the mind. Uh. 447 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: And again that that further reinforces how astonishing it is. 448 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: Is a point that you made earlier, Joe, that no 449 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: one died as far as we know. As someone might 450 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: have that we don't know about, but there's there's no 451 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: record that I could find that anyone any person was killed. 452 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure lots of animals were. So what what then? Uh? 453 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: What then do we we arrive at when the in 454 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: the ongoing debate over what sort of space rock this is, 455 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: Slash was, Well, there are arguments that it was a comet, 456 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: and there are arguments that it was an asteroid rocky meteorite, 457 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: and there are arguments in both directions. I believe the 458 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: favored hypothesis these days is that it was a rocky 459 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: rocky meteor and an asteroid type body based on fragments 460 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: that have now been found and analyzed by which, of 461 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: course we mean rocky as in composed of rock, not 462 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: as in the original records that lay or became the 463 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Rocky franchise sent sent to us from space, which I 464 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: would be okay with, but you know I'd be surprised. Okay. 465 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: So here's my question. I don't want to sound like 466 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: a dumb dum over here, but from what I what 467 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: I was looking at, there doesn't seem to be any 468 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of crater. Right we at the center of the 469 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: Bullseye area. There are trees standing up. There's not an 470 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: impact crater or anything. No, So I just want to 471 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: understand better why why it was. Why the thought is 472 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: that it was a rocky crater or a rocky asteroid 473 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: from fragment I mean, because that it exploded and burned 474 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: with such energy. I believe the thinking is that there 475 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: there were no huge fragments left to leave a gigantic crater. 476 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 1: I did read there there's one lake near the area 477 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: that some people wonder. I wonder if a very small 478 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: fragment of the of the meteor impacted here. Maybe it 479 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: was just like a few feet wide, impacting with high 480 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: energy and created the greater that's now this lake. But 481 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that's very well established. It's just kind 482 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: of a theory. Lake doesn't hold water all right, Um. 483 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: And there are fragments all over the place. Also, you 484 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: you could see what happened to this in dust that 485 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: you can find all over the place. So I mean 486 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: it this mass, A lot of it landed on the 487 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: surface of the Earth, but just not not not in 488 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: a piece big enough that you can usually tell. But yeah, 489 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: they found they found traces of whatever this thing was 490 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: all over the place, and the peat bogs in the 491 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: Tunguska area under it, there are samples of rocks that 492 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: appear to be meteoric in origin. Um. And I believe 493 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: I've also read that there were layers of of cosmic dust, 494 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: the kind of dust you would find after a large 495 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: impact from space, found in ice cores around the area 496 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: dating back to about the time. So it seemed pretty 497 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: straightforward that this was an object from space maybe a 498 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: comment more likely a rocky meteor. And so are you 499 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: are you saying it probably wasn't the gods probably wasn't. 500 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: The gods probably wasn't Tesla, probably wasn't aliens or a 501 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: black hole. But that makes it no less creepy because instead, 502 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: what we walk away with is the idea that there 503 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: are things out there in space that with pretty regular 504 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: frequency are going to come into our atmosphere, and they're 505 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: that big, and they come in with that much speed 506 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: and energy. And if something like the Tunguska event were 507 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: to happen over say a major city, I mean, that's 508 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: game over. Yeah, and it could, uh, it could easily. 509 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: There's some geopolitical dangers there as well, because depending upon 510 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: which city it hits, uh and which countries they are 511 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: allies or rivals with, uh, than it could escalate immediately. Yeah. 512 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: I would say we have much better ability now to 513 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: predict impacts us Like now we have NASA's Near Earth 514 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: Object Program that tracks all of the objects within range 515 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: of Earth that we that are large enough for us 516 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: to detect. Yes, so I mean we're we're somewhat better 517 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: prepared than we were in nineteen o eight. But that's 518 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: that's comparing, of course, Uh, that's comparing a little bit 519 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: better vision and no real protection to uh, no vision 520 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: and no real protection. I mean, well, no, actually we 521 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: do have a very important line of defense. Bruce Willis 522 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: is still that's right, keep forgetting um okay, Well, once 523 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: he passes on, we we are truly naked to the 524 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: fury of the universe, of the uncarrying, dark, inky void. 525 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: But but there's there's some other things here, because uh, 526 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: let's let's explore this just a little bit. Uh. I 527 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: can't remember who wrote this very strange theory that was 528 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: entirely speculative about um, maybe impact events being the most 529 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: lethal threat to intelligent life on planets and said, hey, 530 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: maybe the reason that we have never heard from some 531 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: other intelligent life out there in the vast chasms of 532 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: time and space is because, uh, no intelligent life can 533 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: survive on a planet long enough to involve that kind 534 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: of technology before something some impact even occurs and blows 535 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: the house of cards down. Yeah. Well, that that's one 536 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: of those many possible solutions to the so called Fermi paradix, 537 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: the paradox of Okay, so, if we can set up 538 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: a kind of basic probability of guessing how many alien 539 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: civilizations we'd expect to see out there, again, all the 540 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: variables we plug into this our guesses, so there's really 541 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: no way to know. But you said, well, there sure 542 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of stars and a lot of plan 543 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: it's out there. Seems like there should be some life 544 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: out there. We're listening and it sounds like nobody's home. 545 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: There's nothing coming in. So either you've got to say, well, 546 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: maybe a life evolving on on planets is fairly rare, 547 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: or maybe there is a lot of life, but then 548 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: becoming technologically intelligent is rare. Or maybe there's some reason 549 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: they don't want to transmit, or maybe there's some reason 550 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: that the universe, or at least our galaxy, is not 551 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: very kind to the life forms that do evolve, and 552 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: so the ones that do evolve, or at least have 553 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: the potential to evolve the technological capability to contact us 554 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: are smashed by asteroids before they get the chance. And 555 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: we're just pretty durn lucky to have made it this far. 556 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: And we have to remember how long it takes for 557 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: signals to reach fast distances. So perhaps there's somebody trying 558 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: to communicate, it's just it hasn't gotten to get it 559 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: a billion years later. God, I feel so emo right 560 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: now talking about that. But but we also know that 561 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: impact of themselves aren't the only threats, and we can 562 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: as as you said, we can predict um now more 563 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: than ever we have okay, prediction skills, um. But there 564 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: are things that would happen so quickly that we couldn't 565 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: stop them. If we're talking about the end of the world, right, 566 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: So what if instead of traveling at like thirty something 567 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: thousand miles per hour, your incoming event is traveling at 568 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: the speed of light. When something's traveling towards you at 569 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: the speed of light, you can't see it until it 570 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: hits you. Yeah, so what might travel? What? What a 571 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: killer thing might travel towards the Earth at the speed 572 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: of light? Maybe a gamma ray burst and uh the 573 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: pop quiz. They won't turn us into the Hulk or 574 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: she Hulk or anything like that. They will simply end 575 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: life as we know it, depending on the circumstances. Yeah, 576 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't need to tell your listener 577 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: is this But that's the thing that a lot of 578 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: people get confused about in pop culture. Radiation doesn't give 579 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: you superpowers. It just kills you. Right, Yeah, so far, Okay? 580 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I didn't mean to be so okay. I'm 581 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: okay because you know what, I survived the massive CME 582 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: s that hit us a couple of days ago. Ah, 583 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: here we go, CME. What's that stay for? A coronal 584 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: mass ejection, my friend, happens when the Sun has these 585 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: fun little things that it happens when the Sun decides 586 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: to throw up in our general direction. Uh, just a 587 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: bunch of its energy and particles, charged particles, and they 588 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: just fly towards the Earth. They don't always fly towards 589 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: the Earth because you gotta imagine the scale of the 590 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: Sun to the Earth. It's pretty rare that the Earth 591 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: gets hit by a massive CME. Okay, what are the 592 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: dangers of that that? Oh, you know, it could just 593 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: fry most of our electrical grid depending on where it hits. 594 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: And when I say fry, I mean it could just 595 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: take out the wiring that's going along your street outside 596 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: your house. You can just fry that stuff and short 597 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: circuit anything that uses you know, like this computer that 598 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: Joe is using. Just fry all the circuits in there. 599 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: Can make even make your car not work sometimes depending 600 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: on how your car functions. I mean, Mike car does 601 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: a pretty good job of not working now, so but yeah, 602 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: but those things are pretty creepy, and we got hit 603 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: by two X class Uh. There were two X class 604 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: solar flares that shot off these massive CMEs a couple 605 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: of days ago. I didn't even know that. Yeah, and 606 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: they they both impacted Earth. But everything seems to be okay. 607 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: The northern lights went a little crazy, but we're okay. Well, 608 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: thank you atmosphere, I guess and timing and uh, we 609 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: no matter what we do at this point, technologically we 610 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: are sort of in the hands of fate or accident. Uh. 611 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: And that to me, uh and to you guys too. 612 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most surprising, frightening, and 613 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: a little bit exciting things about the world in which 614 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: we live. The Tunguska event has been explained pretty well 615 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: by this point. However, other impact events in the future 616 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: are a statistical certainty after you know, after some amount 617 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: of time it's going to happen. Um. The only question 618 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: is what will the magnitude be and what will our 619 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: level of technology be? Will we all be on the 620 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: same planet there There's some big questions that we would 621 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: like to carry forward and answer. Um. But first, Joe 622 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: have to say thank you so much for Green to 623 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: come on our show. Joe would only come on if 624 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: we agreed to uh do the chant to augd who 625 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: may or may not just kidding about all that I'd 626 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: love to come on and talk about all kinds of 627 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: weird stuff with you guys. That was a complete lie. 628 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: I only talk about this. Oh. I. 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You can go either way, 647 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: and I think it's perfectly reasonable to not take a 648 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: dystopian attitude absolutely, you know, because uh, you know, we 649 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: often hear about the bad stuff because that's what sells UM. 650 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: But the truth is that there there are quite a 651 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: few amazing innovations on the way UM in laboratories across 652 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: the world, R and D places across the world. I mean, heck, uh, 653 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: if Ray Kurzwild turns out to be right, I'm not 654 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: even gonna say it. I know that gets under some 655 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: people's skin there, But do check out Joe's show. 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